Thanks for going through the process and thanks too for acknowledging 'operator error.' Sometimes egos get in the way of recognizing our own faults. I always say, "the gun shoots fine, I'm the one in need of adjustment."
Bringing my first M1 Garand out to the range tomorrow for the second time. First M1 Garand I ever fired was a friends. It was at the tail end of a WW2 shoot at the club I’m a member of. They had packed away the targets. I just fired 8 rounds into the berm. I instantly got the burning desire to own one and found a great specimen. The first time I took it out I barely touched the sights and I was hitting a man sized target at 125 yards. It was really just a function test, making some noise, and having some fun. I’d like to get a little more serious now and I think this video has covered all of the bases. Wish me luck out there tomorrow. I’m generally new to rifle shooting, and very new to M1 Garands. I don’t have all that much experience sighting rifles in at all. I got lucky with the sights out of the box. Aiming dead center at the man sized target, I was hitting low. Adjusted 3 clicks up and began hitting center mass every time. I will be a little reluctant to “mess them up” as they seem to be set pretty well. But I think this will be worth it.
Well good luck! Anytime I take a new (to me) gun to the range or at least one I am not very experienced with, I bring plenty of ammo. Sometimes trial and error even after doing your homework takes a little bit to figure it out. Thanks for coming by!
Also, once you have set your battle sight zero, you can re zero the sights. Simply loosen the rear sight adjustment tension screw, then bottom out the sight and however many clicks up it took to zero it, go down that exact number of clicks past the battle sight mark on the drum and retighten it. This way your battle zero sight is set to your particular rifle. I used to build and shoot M1 Garands in NRA high power competition, it was a lot of fun, I really miss it. Good video 🇺🇸⚓️💪👍
If you have done the battle sight zero method (as explained in the video), theoretically you are now sighted in at 250yds. So why wouldn’t you leave the sight where it is, loosen the elevation knob, and move the drum (without moving the sight) to the 250yd mark (actually between the “2” and next lineup) and tighten the drum. That way you have a 250yd zeroed rifle with the rear sight drum set on the proper setting for 250yd. Then if you want to shoot at 100yds, move the drum to the 100yd mark.
@@fred8174I understand friend, the Garand is the Swiss watch of rifles and is about a complex a machine as I've ever seen!! But the battle sights are bullet proof!!
The Garand has a very simple but accurate sighting system. Sights are for the average person. Below I'll try to explain how to zero at 100 yards simply. Most ranges in my area have targets at 25 and 100 yards but a good range will extend longer out.
Each click of either elevation or windage changes the strike of the bullet approximately one inch on the target for every 100 yards of range, over its effective range. Windage can be adjusted 16 clicks to the right or to the left of center index, and elevation can be adjusted from 0 to 72 clicks. Sighting-In 1. Windage zero. Center your rear sight according to the index marks on the receiver and sight base. Center the front sight in the dovetail. Under no-wind conditions, fire a group at 100 yards. If the group is not centered, loosen the front sight and move it opposite to the direction of the group error. Repeat as necessary. 2. Elevation For simple "Battle-Zero," Zero-in at 25 yards, then come up 1 click. This effectively zeros-in for 200 yards. This should result in groups centered on a 4" diameter from 0 to 400 yards.
@@RR-ll1sethis right here. I like to think of iron sights as being fixed in space and I'm actually moving the barrel under them. I want the impact to shift right so I move the barrel right...which offsets the sight to the left.
The Coast Guard was the last service to use the M1 Garand…. Well into the 1970’s. When our crew went for annual qualification, as many as 5 or 6 men would use the same rifle, so everyone sighted the rifle in to their preferences at 100, 200, 300 and 500 yards, recording clicks for each in a pocket notepad. Pretty simple method. You just cranked everything to zero and then applied your own personal poop for that range. We never bothered with indexing the range drum. I fired expert using the same rifle that several other shooters shot Maggie’s drawers with.
in 1974 the US Army trained me to zero and M16 like this. I've been using the 25 yard/ meter zero for every rifle ever since. I tell folks if you can't hit the target at 25 yards, you won't be able to hit it at 100 yards or more. I've seen people put the target at 100 yards and waste a lot of ammo trying to get it on paper.
Agreed. There are many that will argue the opposite, that you should zero for the distance you are shooting. The field manual seemed to give both options. Thanks for coming by!
Took my ol Aug of 43 gal out the other day. Never shot her past 100, taken a few deer with her but never shot further. The range had steel out to 300 and one that was super narrow only few inches wide at 300. Blew my mind how easy it was to shoot out to 300 with the irons and hit everytime. Out of all the rifles we had out there new and old, she was by far the easiest to shoot at distance, even including one colt AR with a 4x acog. Something magical about the m1s
If you have access to 100 yard range, start about 8 clicks from the bottom, adjust from there ( 1 inch per click). Most of my rifles are 10-12 clicks from bottom for 100 yard zero. That is with a 6 o-clock hold. These are a peice of cake to sight in.
Sound advice! As a matter of fact the field manual states that 12 clicks from the bottom is where you start. I would say that would be close for most people, thanks for coming by!
@@stevenh.390 Yes, 8 clicks up from all the way down. Most of mine zero at about 10-11 clicks up from the bottom. If you are not on paper, back up to 25/50 yards.
LOVE this rifle i was able to hit the X sighted with 9 rounds total never fired a M 1 Garand before . Airborne all the Way . i shot 3 round adj , 3 rounds adj. all 3 round with 1.35 in clipped the X about 1/8 . i took the target home. still have it. good ole it iron sights, 90 plus deg and texas dusty lol. Respect!
I watched a lot of in-between adjustments and a lot of rounds going down range. Just a suggestion. I had a plastic Caldwell shooting rest just like the one in the video but I threw it away because it's a pogo stick when you rest the hand guard on it like that and causes the muzzle to jump. I got a set of Deadshot shooting bags instead. Big difference and fewer rounds.
It depends on your up bringing really. Grew up with my dad “battle sight” “point blank range” sight in . Even at closer ranges than 25 yards. The aperture sighting system is a great design. Put a front aperture on your M1 and watch your groups shrink some more.
I laughed when I saw "not to scale" pop up on screen. As to your question about 25yd zero...I agree. I have an ARP zeroed at that range because it's the furthest I could set the target at the range I used to zero it. Maybe it's due to the loss of velocity from the 10.5 barrel but it hits a couple inches low already at 50yd. It's more a home defense/range fun gun anyway so I'm not super concerned with it.
As for the “not to scale,” the more videos I put up the more people will call you out on every little detail. It’s crazy. Thanks for sharing and thanks for coming back by!
@@cornfromajar3222 Thank you for the response...try gun broker they usually have it...not sure the cost these days...unfortunately ammo is pricey these days...Shoe
After you Zero it... How do you Index the Elevation Drum? It is Marked "Battle Sight Zero? with an Arrow for return to "Battle Sight Zero" After Adjustments for Long range shooting. Earl
I didn’t mess with it because the Field Manual didn’t mention it. If you are doing another adjustment or shooting at a different distance, I would turn it back to the original setting or follow how it is listed in the handbook that came with the rifle. Thanks for coming by!
Yes Sir , im going to try by the book. Any issues with ammo types? I'm using PPU loaded to M2 ball specs. Runs fine with this. Whst were you using? Thanks
In this demonstration I was using the new manufacture M2 Ball ammo I got from the CMP last year. It is Creedmoor on Hornady brass. Thanks for coming by!
I would say if you are unsure of anything, download a copy of the FM and check it out and maybe watch a couple different videos just for other perspective. Thanks for coming by!
That’s pretty much it. The Field manual procedure is basically what I displayed in this video which SHOULD give you center mass impacts at 250 yards. Thanks for coming by!
His sling is mounted as described by AmmoGarand, I searched the web and can not find the proper mounting of the M1 web sling, mine are mounted as you describe but I just know somewhere is the official U.S. instructions, also, you're correct about resting the rifle on the front handguard when shooting for accuracy.
Hey I just got a saint victor 308, I plan on battlesight zeroing the irons on it. Would the 36/300 zero work good for that. The primary use for the rifle will be a battle rifle, maybe hunting sometimes but I have a bolt action for that lol
More than I care to admit I’ll say! But, it was still less than going to play 18 holes with a cart at my local course! I hope that doing these videos and following the Army doctrine might inspire others to try the same. In my circle, it’s not common for guys to read through a manual and try the guidelines the military had put into motion back in the day. Thanks for coming by!
It shouldn’t. It doesn’t specify in the field manual really, and I’ve never personally shot a 308 Garand. I can’t imagine that anything would be different though.
I did this video straight from the army field manual, it never mentioned it. That is an interesting point in might be something worth messing around with when you’re at the range. Thanks for coming by!
It was tough for me to tell that going back and watching the footage. Looking at the impacts on paper, my marksmanship technique definitely needs some practice. Thanks for coming by!
So I don’t have the manual for the Garand I have FM 23-71 Army Markmanship that covers both rifles the M1 and M14. It outlines the part when I mentioned to run your sight to the lowest setting, come back up 12 clicks, and start zeroing and adjustments from there. The actual Garand manual may tell it a different way. Thanks for coming by!
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I've been shooting one of these for 20 years, even in service rifle competition. Never knew you could load a Garand that way. Great video.
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Thanks for going through the process and thanks too for acknowledging 'operator error.' Sometimes egos get in the way of recognizing our own faults. I always say, "the gun shoots fine, I'm the one in need of adjustment."
Well i don’t want to mislead anybody because commenters on TH-cam will for sure call you out. Thanks for coming by!
Bringing my first M1 Garand out to the range tomorrow for the second time. First M1 Garand I ever fired was a friends. It was at the tail end of a WW2 shoot at the club I’m a member of. They had packed away the targets. I just fired 8 rounds into the berm. I instantly got the burning desire to own one and found a great specimen.
The first time I took it out I barely touched the sights and I was hitting a man sized target at 125 yards. It was really just a function test, making some noise, and having some fun.
I’d like to get a little more serious now and I think this video has covered all of the bases. Wish me luck out there tomorrow. I’m generally new to rifle shooting, and very new to M1 Garands. I don’t have all that much experience sighting rifles in at all. I got lucky with the sights out of the box. Aiming dead center at the man sized target, I was hitting low. Adjusted 3 clicks up and began hitting center mass every time.
I will be a little reluctant to “mess them up” as they seem to be set pretty well. But I think this will be worth it.
Well good luck! Anytime I take a new (to me) gun to the range or at least one I am not very experienced with, I bring plenty of ammo. Sometimes trial and error even after doing your homework takes a little bit to figure it out. Thanks for coming by!
Also, once you have set your battle sight zero, you can re zero the sights. Simply loosen the rear sight adjustment tension screw, then bottom out the sight and however many clicks up it took to zero it, go down that exact number of clicks past the battle sight mark on the drum and retighten it. This way your battle zero sight is set to your particular rifle. I used to build and shoot M1 Garands in NRA high power competition, it was a lot of fun, I really miss it. Good video 🇺🇸⚓️💪👍
If you have done the battle sight zero method (as explained in the video), theoretically you are now sighted in at 250yds. So why wouldn’t you leave the sight where it is, loosen the elevation knob, and move the drum (without moving the sight) to the 250yd mark (actually between the “2” and next lineup) and tighten the drum. That way you have a 250yd zeroed rifle with the rear sight drum set on the proper setting for 250yd. Then if you want to shoot at 100yds, move the drum to the 100yd mark.
I can understand this method. I don’t understand the initial method.
@@fred8174I understand friend, the Garand is the Swiss watch of rifles and is about a complex a machine as I've ever seen!! But the battle sights are bullet proof!!
Thanks for coming by!
Sighting the M-1 Garand
The Garand has a very simple but accurate sighting system. Sights are for the average person. Below I'll try to explain how to zero at 100 yards simply. Most ranges in my area have targets at 25 and 100 yards but a good range will extend longer out.
Each click of either elevation or windage changes the strike of the bullet approximately one inch on the target for every 100 yards of range, over its effective range.
Windage can be adjusted 16 clicks to the right or to the left of center index, and elevation can be adjusted from 0 to 72 clicks.
Sighting-In
1. Windage zero.
Center your rear sight according to the index marks on the receiver and sight base. Center the front sight in the dovetail. Under no-wind conditions, fire a group at 100 yards. If the group is not centered, loosen the front sight and move it opposite to the direction of the group error. Repeat as necessary.
2. Elevation
For simple "Battle-Zero," Zero-in at 25 yards, then come up 1 click. This effectively zeros-in for 200 yards.
This should result in groups centered on a 4" diameter from 0 to 400 yards.
Thanks for breaking that down. I tried to go by the FM as closely as I could. Thanks!
Correction. When you adjust the front sight, you move it in the same direction as the error.
@@RR-ll1sefalse
@@MF-rtard89 I agree with @RR correction reply.... think about it, when U move Front Sight "left", point-of-impact will move "right".... good day
@@RR-ll1sethis right here. I like to think of iron sights as being fixed in space and I'm actually moving the barrel under them. I want the impact to shift right so I move the barrel right...which offsets the sight to the left.
The Coast Guard was the last service to use the M1 Garand…. Well into the 1970’s. When our crew went for annual qualification, as many as 5 or 6 men would use the same rifle, so everyone sighted the rifle in to their preferences at 100, 200, 300 and 500 yards, recording clicks for each in a pocket notepad. Pretty simple method. You just cranked everything to zero and then applied your own personal poop for that range. We never bothered with indexing the range drum. I fired expert using the same rifle that several other shooters shot Maggie’s drawers with.
I had no idea that any serviced used it other than the National Guard that late, thank you for sharing and thanks for coming by!
I served on a DE from 1968 to 1971. Our ship’s armory had M1 rifles and M1 carbines.
in 1974 the US Army trained me to zero and M16 like this. I've been using the 25 yard/ meter zero for every rifle ever since. I tell folks if you can't hit the target at 25 yards, you won't be able to hit it at 100 yards or more. I've seen people put the target at 100 yards and waste a lot of ammo trying to get it on paper.
Agreed. There are many that will argue the opposite, that you should zero for the distance you are shooting. The field manual seemed to give both options. Thanks for coming by!
Took my ol Aug of 43 gal out the other day. Never shot her past 100, taken a few deer with her but never shot further. The range had steel out to 300 and one that was super narrow only few inches wide at 300. Blew my mind how easy it was to shoot out to 300 with the irons and hit everytime. Out of all the rifles we had out there new and old, she was by far the easiest to shoot at distance, even including one colt AR with a 4x acog. Something magical about the m1s
Yes there is! Thank you for sharing and thanks for coming by!
If you have access to 100 yard range, start about 8 clicks from the bottom, adjust from there ( 1 inch per click). Most of my rifles are 10-12 clicks from bottom for 100 yard zero. That is with a 6 o-clock hold. These are a peice of cake to sight in.
Sound advice! As a matter of fact the field manual states that 12 clicks from the bottom is where you start. I would say that would be close for most people, thanks for coming by!
What’s a 6 o clock hold
@@mesothelioma5024 Point of impact right above your sights.
So I'm sighting my M1 so 8 clicks from bottom I assume that means Aperture is all the way down then I click 8 turning toward me? Thanks.
@@stevenh.390 Yes, 8 clicks up from all the way down. Most of mine zero at about 10-11 clicks up from the bottom. If you are not on paper, back up to 25/50 yards.
LOVE this rifle i was able to hit the X sighted with 9 rounds total never fired a M 1 Garand before . Airborne all the Way . i shot 3 round adj , 3 rounds adj. all 3 round with 1.35 in clipped the X about 1/8 . i took the target home. still have it. good ole it
iron sights, 90 plus deg and texas dusty lol. Respect!
Thanks for coming by!
I watched a lot of in-between adjustments and a lot of rounds going down range. Just a suggestion. I had a plastic Caldwell shooting rest just like the one in the video but I threw it away because it's a pogo stick when you rest the hand guard on it like that and causes the muzzle to jump. I got a set of Deadshot shooting bags instead. Big difference and fewer rounds.
Thank you for sharing. And thanks for coming by!
You should have that rest further back on the stock
1 click on a M1 is aprox .25” change in elevation / windage
Thanks for the heads up and thanks for coming by!
This is the best video I have seen on how to do this, shame it took until 2022 for someone to explain it this well!
Thanks man
I appreciate it. Really all I did was read the army manual and make a video. Thanks for coming by!
It depends on your up bringing really.
Grew up with my dad “battle sight” “point blank range” sight in . Even at closer ranges than 25 yards.
The aperture sighting system is a great design. Put a front aperture on your M1 and watch your groups shrink some more.
Subscribed! Greatly appreciate the informational videos
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I laughed when I saw "not to scale" pop up on screen.
As to your question about 25yd zero...I agree. I have an ARP zeroed at that range because it's the furthest I could set the target at the range I used to zero it. Maybe it's due to the loss of velocity from the 10.5 barrel but it hits a couple inches low already at 50yd. It's more a home defense/range fun gun anyway so I'm not super concerned with it.
As for the “not to scale,” the more videos I put up the more people will call you out on every little detail. It’s crazy. Thanks for sharing and thanks for coming back by!
@@cornfromajar3222I love it, it brings me back to my law enforcement days where every single detail was scrutinized lol
Good video! Also, your range looks exactly like my range.
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I get my best groups with good old Lake City M2 ball ammo. ..Korean War era ammo....thank you for the video. Shoe
Yes sir. If I had some or knew some where trustworthy locally that had it, I’d try it out in the future. Thanks for coming back by!
@@cornfromajar3222 Thank you for the response...try gun broker they usually have it...not sure the cost these days...unfortunately ammo is pricey these days...Shoe
Based on your drawing I feel like your rifle would be more accurate if the stock and barrel were straight......you're welcome for the advice
Haha I agree! Thanks for sharing and thanks for coming by!
I love the M1. I own it's son. The M1A. M14. Such a Good sound.
They’re definitely unique in the firearms world! Thanks for coming by!
After you Zero it... How do you Index the Elevation Drum? It is Marked "Battle Sight Zero? with an Arrow for return to "Battle Sight Zero" After Adjustments for Long range shooting. Earl
I didn’t mess with it because the Field Manual didn’t mention it. If you are doing another adjustment or shooting at a different distance, I would turn it back to the original setting or follow how it is listed in the handbook that came with the rifle. Thanks for coming by!
Count the clicks from your zero setting to all the way down. Write this down.
Loosen the screw and match the 200 yard line to your zero.
Thanks for the info in formation.
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I could have done all that with 3 rounds I have the sneaky suspicion you really need to learn that rifle
I 100% agree with you. Practice, practice, practice! Thanks for coming by!
That's the way to get it done.
Thanks for watching and thanks for coming by!
Yes Sir , im going to try by the book. Any issues with ammo types? I'm using PPU loaded to M2 ball specs. Runs fine with this. Whst were you using? Thanks
In this demonstration I was using the new manufacture M2 Ball ammo I got from the CMP last year. It is Creedmoor on Hornady brass. Thanks for coming by!
Thanks. Seen good results with CMP. But I've the PPU for awhile. Got cheap 5 yrs ago.
I am using m2 ball I got off Ammo man
All the way down and 19 up is where he ended up
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I learned a lot on how to sight it in thanks a lot
I would say if you are unsure of anything, download a copy of the FM and check it out and maybe watch a couple different videos just for other perspective. Thanks for coming by!
Great shoot
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So, summing this up, you want the rounds to impact approximately 2 inches above bullseye (while aiming for bullseye) at 25 yards?
That’s pretty much it. The Field manual procedure is basically what I displayed in this video which SHOULD give you center mass impacts at 250 yards. Thanks for coming by!
But is the dial set at 200 then?
Your groups might tighten up if you get the front hand guard off the bag
Sounds good. Thanks for coming by!
@@cornfromajar3222 Good looking rifle! They sure are an awesome weapon.
Great shooting
Thanks! And thanks for coming by!
Get the hand guard off the rest and put the sling on correctly.
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What's wrong with the sling installation? How should it be done correctly?
@@ChucksterTT
It’s upside down . Rear hook over, not under.
His sling is mounted as described by AmmoGarand, I searched the web and can not find the proper mounting of the M1 web sling, mine are mounted as you describe but I just know somewhere is the official U.S. instructions, also, you're correct about resting the rifle on the front handguard when shooting for accuracy.
if you own one of these you own a piece of american history.
Most definitely. Thanks for coming by!
Well done. Thanks
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So would making the rifle bullseye zero'd at 25yrds make the point of impact 300yrds like a M16 carry handle sight instead of 200yrds or 250yrds???
I’m not too sure. You should ask someone who knows more than me (not too hard to find!). Thanks for coming by!
Hey I just got a saint victor 308, I plan on battlesight zeroing the irons on it. Would the 36/300 zero work good for that. The primary use for the rifle will be a battle rifle, maybe hunting sometimes but I have a bolt action for that lol
It should be pretty close. The most accurate way of course it to try it on the range. Thanks for coming by!
So, how many rounds(@$1.50/rd) total did it take you to get to "Battle Sight Zero"?
More than I care to admit I’ll say! But, it was still less than going to play 18 holes with a cart at my local course! I hope that doing these videos and following the Army doctrine might inspire others to try the same. In my circle, it’s not common for guys to read through a manual and try the guidelines the military had put into motion back in the day. Thanks for coming by!
Mines 308 Win, does this change anything? Thanks
It shouldn’t. It doesn’t specify in the field manual really, and I’ve never personally shot a 308 Garand. I can’t imagine that anything would be different though.
Is this a cmp rifle and if so, what grade?
It is. And if I recall it’s a Field Grade but I’d have to look back at the paperwork. Thanks for watching!
How come nobody said a word about moving the front sight?
I did this video straight from the army field manual, it never mentioned it. That is an interesting point in might be something worth messing around with when you’re at the range. Thanks for coming by!
Explain why you're loading individual rounds in the gun? Must be a reason.
Mainly ammo conservation. Thanks for coming by!
being one myself , it's fun to watch a southpaw run a Garand...
Well I have plenty other guns I’m fumbling around as a lefty too if you see some of my other videos! Thanks for coming by!
Looked like your rear sight jumped left everything you pulled the trigger.
It was tough for me to tell that going back and watching the footage. Looking at the impacts on paper, my marksmanship technique definitely needs some practice. Thanks for coming by!
@@cornfromajar3222 love the videos you post on the m1.
Ok but what distance in meters do I need to use to get the BDC on the drum properly set up
So I don’t have the manual for the Garand I have FM 23-71 Army Markmanship that covers both rifles the M1 and M14. It outlines the part when I mentioned to run your sight to the lowest setting, come back up 12 clicks, and start zeroing and adjustments from there. The actual Garand manual may tell it a different way. Thanks for coming by!
@@cornfromajar3222 Thanks! Looks like I'll have to print off the manual and go through the offical process then.
@@rileymcguire4731 here’s a link for a printable version of the TM for the M-1 garand
mtwashingtonrg.org/manuals/M1_Garand_US_Rifle_FM_23-5_1985.pdf
So now if you were to shoot at 250 yards you should theoretically be shooting in the center
That’s correct. The way the FM wants a standard military zero is hitting the bullseye at 250 yards. Thanks for coming by!
It's easier to aim at 6:00.
Then rounds strike X ring
Site picture is ○ 🎃 on a post
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It's called "pumpkin on a post" Dude aim 6 O'clock, it's easier to hold true shot to shot 🇺🇲🪖🫡
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