I-Team: Empty Atlanta lot with no water line gets nearly $30K bill, owner appeals and loses
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2024
- Before the new Atlanta home was built there was just dirt, but for months the contractor was charged nearly $30,000 for water usage. He appealed. He lost.
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Citizens of Atlanta should demand the leadership of the water board be all fired. They’re a public utility. This is ridiculous.
They voted blue. No brains.
Fired....at while blindfolded and stood up against a wall. Agreed
Kings vs peasants paperwork and fraud are the currwnt day chains. History will cycle and repeat, when blatant fraud from the government itself is showed for amusement but ignored, wars will come soon. Be ready in life avoid and fight paperwork chains on your freedom
Behold the immense power of nonviolence and what can be achieved working within the system.
Easy file in court for false billing.
How corrupt is the Watershed Board? These folks deserve prison time!
Especially the one that sent the bill.
Well it's Georgia and we all saw how the above board the voting was in 2020
You can ask the Atlanta city bureaucrat behind this bill Nick Cappon (ncappon@atlantaga.gov).
Its almost like the gov assumed the role of the mafia
Seems like "extremely corrupt"😱😱
If there is any theft going on, I doubt it's water being stolen. Chances are somebody on or connected to the water board is embezzling, and they've got a scam going on to overcharge people who have a difficult time fighting them to make up the shortfall. I used to work for a construction company that had something like that happen. The water people need to be investigated for fraud.
This is a VERY plausible reason for a ridiculous charge for water to a vacant lot...😊
most likely there is some technical problem on water meter which does not work correctly
@@freezedeve3119 If that's all it was, they would've apologized and dropped his bill to something reasonable. Fighting him like this, when it's obvious to anyone with two brain cells that they're wrong? That's pure fear. So what do they have to be afraid of? Logically, something that will happen to them if they don't get his money, no matter how wrong they are to take it. How many things could that be?
The only theft is from the board themselves
Eureka! I think you just hit the nail in the head!
Someone from the water company needs to see jail time for fraud. This is unacceptable behavior.
It would take nearly 19 hours and multiple water trucks to collect 10,000 gallons of water. It is ridiculous to think it was stolen. Everyone on the board should be fired.
the guy is a renovator, he probably has concrete/ pool filling friends, if anyone could have done it, he could have done it
@@stalesnail146 Look at the bill at 2:04. The water and sewer usages are the same, which means that water is going down the sewer, not being stolen.
@@ReadTheShrillthe water isn't even connected. Many places bill sewer by the regular water meter.
Uh, I guess you got those numbers from a different size truck. In Texas Vacuum truck can haul about 5000 gallons or 130BBLS of water...
@@stitch684 I think he's going by a regular water hose output, Google says 9-17 gpm, say and average of 13 gpm. That'd be 780 gallons/hour, so to fill 10,000 gallons would be just shy of 13 hours.
30K of attempted fraud is a felony. The waterboard should be arrested and put in jail.
All it takes is the Attorney General to arrest every member of the board for fraud. the case doesn't have to stick. those highly College educated cowards would pee their kakis dockers just from one night in jail. this would be solved in a second as soon as they met some real criminals. they are charging him to cover up their screw up.
this is DEI policies at their finest.
What, do you expect the law to do what it's supposed to? This is America, we throw citizens in prison for victimless crimes and give immunity to any kind of company or organization of any kind that's actually ruining people's lives. We also sentence people based on how good their pouty face is. Women are all pretty much completely unpunishable, especially attractive ones. Justice! It's a beautiful thing.
You could say he was a waterboarded
@@LibLibertyLibertarianhuh?
If there is no water line connected to the property. Where the hell he gonna connect to steal water from? 😂🤦🤔🤔🤣
They're accusing him of theft. Presumably he could sue them for slander/libel, damage to reputation, consequent damages (credit rating, unable to get loans, etc.).
Where would the damages be for a libel/slander claim exactly? It's not like the utility went about publicizing their past due bill in any way that caused the business any damages.
@@lw4820 I don't know US (or UK for that matter) law: does someone have to have made attempts to publicise a libel/slander for it to be actionable? I can see that if they _did_ it would make any damages _worse_, but is not the simple fact enough to start with?
Also: credit rating. Presumably, if someone has a bad debt (or it is alleged that is the case), it can affect their credit rating, which could make it more difficult or expensive foer them to get loans - culminating at worst in them being unable to operate, and thus go out of business. Surely _that_ (and consequent distress) would be actionable, if the original claimed bad debt is shown to be non-existent.
When you see the guy at 3:20 explaining how 1,000,000 gallons of water got stolen you understand everything you need to know about this organization.
what do you expect when people are hired or voted in based on boxes they can check off instead of ability.
@@CPreacher40that has absolutely nothing to do with it, bigot
DEI government at work
💯 Crooks!!!!!
I found the culprit, it's the board members going out and hooking water trucks up to artificially inflate water bills. If someone comes to appeal the bill it is across the board denial. They must be selling the water to another contractor.
He needs to take it to an ACTUAL court. The WaterShed Board is a joke.
"We suspect theft, so it must be you!"
Thats not how the law works
We dont care what the hell is going on here, you just need to pay us 😂
Do you think you're innocent until proven guilty? Pff, this is the 20th decade of the 20th century! That doesn't exist anymore. You're guilty the second you're accused of it regardless of your defense!
If anyone is using million gallons it may be the golf course across the street.
Exactly!
@@Bestmepossible exactly what I was thinking!
Dude, the fact that this wasnt just tossed and nobody paid anything is absurd. The legal system and everything to do with it favors the party who has the most money.
As a retired Utilities Director, this is lunacy.
This is theft. They are literally trying to steal $30K off of this guy. Everyone from the appeals court to the city should be in jail.
Nope. It's the golf club across the street. Why is this not obvous? Someone needs to assess the golf club's water usage for the last several years and see if it dropped.
They use a $hit-tonne of water DAILY, plus they likely also have a couple of pools and hot tubs since most golf, tennis, and country clubs do.
@@le_th_ Watch the whole video. There's a letter where the dept of water and power *ADMIT* they made a mistake which lost the water. Then they said "too bad, pay us anyway".
How did you not understand that part? Are you slow? No wonder this guy is being extorted, most americans are too stupid to follow a 5 minute news story.
@@le_th_ I was thinking the same thing. They got the meters crossed somehow
Not only is this guy on the hook for $30,000 but he is also lost money because he couldn’t let the other people move into the house
Not theft but Extortion
*Department investigates itself and finds no wrong doings.*
Shocker.
If it's not obvious the golf course used that water, I don't know what is.
That much water under the ground would have created huge caverns
@@SleepyJoeisSlowyou are clueless... the actual obvious thing is the water company having a busted pipe was the reason... they said so themselves in the email, surprise surprise when they came back and messed with the meter and hooked it to the house the bills plummeted.
@@Ancient_Entity Aren't you a little piece of corn in a cow patty.
Not sure why you're giving me the blues except to try to act like you're smart.
Where's your skin in the game?
You should see the report about a guy who had a piece of bridge fall on his truck, put a liability claim in against Caltrans, and they said he needed to notify them about falling debris before they hit his truck.
Wow I thought Canada was bad... This is nuts!
Everyone under their control should class action them and each person on the board needs to be criminally investigated for embezzlement. This needs to go above their heads and the AG needs to intervene.
Legally can’t sue
Makes you wonder if anyone’s water bill is correct in this area! I hope he gets 100X this back from them in a lawsuit and his attorney’s fees paid in full. Common sense must prevail and I would NEVER pay them a penny no matter what!
How can bill someone that has no water lines. How ridiculous.
Simple the problem is the beuracrats are not elected
These board members are part of a huge SCAM. I would look into their finances. Someone is getting PAID. You can't be this unethical without having an ulterior motive.
sounds like internal fraud in that department.
How can they also state that it was a leak caused by the department of watershed management but HE still has to pay ...
@xStillborn Remember, the higher-ups struck down that assessment. Furthermore, where was that much water leaking to? This is extortion.
He needs to sue. There's no way he can lose this. It is absolutely ridiculous.
Get a lawyer to file law suits against all of them individually then maybe they will pay attention.
Qualified immunity homeboy. City/ utility company isn’t legally liable.
@@TheGreatestShowman69 Unless it is a government-owned utility, they do not have qualified immunity. Qualified immunity needs to be revised and not include any company regardless of it being government-owned.
Backup plan: put everything into an irrevocable trust and backdate it
@@TheGreatestShowman69qualified immunity can be denied under many circumstances and this seems like one where it would be.
Crazy thing in my town in TN there was an open water line running 24/7 for several decades we are talking over 40 years. There was a swamp in the middle of town that drained into a creek. Turns out when they built a road they cut a water line and it just leaked into the ground for decades.
A golf course across the street? I’ve worked at golf courses before and to use UP TO 300K gallons/night is common, but usually significantly less depending on turf conditions. So 1M gallons over a month to replenish their pumping ponds is not something unheard of.
Absolutely DISGUSTING abuse of authority and power!!
Actually it's pretty much business as usual. Sadly there is a ton of profit with this kind of overt theft. This way all that is rquired is to deal with the very few people who actually follow through in the court system.... You can't gease your palms if you simply honour the contracts in a logical manner.
yep, government should not be able to protect monopolies or control the water supply. people should have the right to choose their water supplier
Water should not be run by a for PROFIT company. There is a reason most 1st world countries do not use private companies for water,electic, prisons etc. @@678friedbed
Why didnt the guy sit there with a video on the meter to see it move? Get the meter tested! so its on the meter!
it prob go to lush fund full dark money
As a trucking company owner, I can tell you, that an 80k lb. tank truck can haul about 6300 gallons of water that is distributed to bottled water facilities. 305k gallons of water would take approximately 48 tanker loads. Over 5 months, that would be nearly 2.5 tanks full every weekend, and with a garden hose, would take about 53 hours to fill that tank at 2 gallons per minute, or about 132 hours for 2.5 tankers every weekend. Absolutely not possible !!!!! There's a huge theft tanking place here, and its not the builder.
Great break down
Crazy when facts and common sense are ignored when money is involved. Sigh.
Your waaay off, they say he used 300,000 gallons per month for 5 months strait which is 1.5 million gallons. They would have had to fill 50 tankers per month, not over 5 months. So they would have to fill almost 2 water tankers every single day, 7 days a week for 5 months strait.
Even if the house had a 1" delivery pipe, which could theoretically flow 2,200 GPH, it would take nearly a full 24 hour day EVERY WEEK to take that much water! And that would be 400,000 lbs of water every weekend, for 5 months.
"Nope nothing to see here, just fillin' my bucket with a little water, no need to pay attention, please move along......."
The flowrates are exactly what I went to look for in the comments. This is the classic case of simple mathematics demonstrating just how wrong a bureaucracy is.
@@Trudel-xb2gn*when the government gets involved* not just money.
That builder sounds like a reasonable man… be a shame if he was pushed to do unreasonable things
This happened also in Hillsborough and Pinellas counties. Even though we got hit with a 400 or 500 dollar bill, this all happened when the counties went to automated read systems. Instead of a meter reader, use to get out and manually check the meter. Long story short is everything was fixed. Nobody had to pay the high bill because it was a glitch in the new automated system.
The “water board” is NOT a court. They can’t legally justify this. Take this to Superior Court and if that doesn’t work, take it to Supreme Court. Sue for every single day of stress & aggravation. The people that bought the house need to sue for their loss and stress of not being able to take possession of the home. Every single one of them needs to be fired and audited. Contact the IRS and give their names.
Exactly, the board consists of idiots appointed by the council and they only exist to serve the interests of themselves and the people who put them there. For sure the business owner is a jerk for not taking the legal route immediately and instead whining before the board like a peon and making that family hole up in a basement for months and months with nothing to show for it. The court could have gotten that family in the house while handling the bs between the developer and utility as a separate issue.
The only problem with this is that the family who ordered the house would have to sue the building contractor and the building contractor would then need to add the cost to what he's suing the water shed board for.
If that doesn’t work get a tank.
@@jpetifykill dozer rides again
yeah. our justice system is so trust worthy now.....
Time for a class action lawsuit. People need to at least lose their jobs, if not serve time over this abuse. He’s right, it’s criminal.
Why are those people still wearing face diapers?????
@@ripvanrevsit’s their right
Prison
@@ripvanrevs Lmao you're an absolute tool
I'm thinking it's probably an error in the automated billing system, but you could argue the appeal being denied was malicious.
In 2015 we went out of state for 3 months for this program. Turned off water main and made sure there wasn’t anything leaking. Our bill for each of those months was around the same as the other months when we took showers everyday and washed dishes and did laundry. Their response. “We assumed there was an error so estimated the water usage” yeah nah if you THINK there is an issue you don’t charge nothing till you go there and check the meter and see if it’s working. The meter is outside.
20 years ago I had a giant water bill that I disagreed with. They refused to do anything about it. So instead of paying them.... I used the money to have someone come out and dig me a well with a well pump. Now I have "bottled water" quality water coming from the taps in my house. The only downside I don't have the water when the electric goes out (which is rare) and the pressure isn't quite as high. The bonus is the water is so much better and it costs nothing. Fast forward 10 years I forced that same water company to pay an absurd amount of money to reseed my lawn when they backed up on my lawn when installing a water line for a neighbor. I didn't even care since my kids tear it up with the ATV anyway but I sure had a nice front line that year.
This reeks of corruption. Somebody at the level of the final person who denied the appeal has got his fingers in the pockets of this guy and probably many others. The appeal was denied in order to cover up the crime. Take them to federal court in a civil trial with a jury of peers, and set some investigative journalists onto this. Someone, probably more than one, needs to go to jail.
Yeah something is off, especially with a golf course literally right across across the street. I mean those facilities use alot of water a month. 🤔
They know he has no other choice. See, if he sells the property and it has a lien, they can legally steal that 30k off of him. So no matter what he does, he's screwed and they know it. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. That's what's happened here. These people are drunk of power because there's no checks and balances.
It's corrupt. The amount used for residential would have flagged the water company long before hit reached 30k.
Yes send them to jail The booty warrior is waiting 🥒💦🫣
This just seems common with the courts now. I experienced the same with an issue of security deposit being taken for no reason. I only tried to fight it because I had already done research & knew the law was on my side. Judge made assumptions in landlord’s favor without any evidence. My appeals would be denied on technicalities, they would give me bad deadlines & say I didn’t do things right in their system but when I asked how they wanted things submitted they told me they couldn’t give legal advice. It came down to laziness & greed, as they’d charge me money for each step in the process. & they’re the courts & can just say, “we decided you don’t get your money back & we can do this.” I would’ve been satisfied if they ever even explained why they weren’t upholding the law. But it was always this, “f you we choose to do this” attitude. I went as far as filling out complaints, then it’s “we have a panel of dedicated people to look into this…& f you we decided.”
Let's not miss the level incompetence from the department of water. They let 800k gallons of water go to waste! How the hell did they not detect this leak earlier?!
Didn't go to waste .. it gets recycled
@@CbrF4i600ccif it's isn't used to fill a pool and it doesn't go through a sewer system is considered wasted. By technicality is it "recycled" maybe depends on where the water go's. If someone is stealing water and using it to make a product that is considered lost water.
What I'm saying isn't if it didn't go through the sewer system it is considered a loss. A good water company will be notified and a meter will be redflagged for high water use and they will send someone out/contact the property owner and make them aware of their high water usage.
A bad water company doesn't and just let's it pile up. Then they get taken to court and it's a toss up whether they are found responsible or not.
It doesn't look like there was any water waist, as the neighbors didn't see any water issues. That much water would have been noticed in a huge way. The meter might be defective, but so is the conscience of everyone on the water board.
Sooo, this guy was technically water boarded.
No they CLAIM the water was wasted.. This is a opure and simple Scam..
That's why people should go straight to a real court.
That water board appears to be completely made up of incompetent dregs. I'd personally sue them individually, and the state should make the board pay the bills and put them in prison. They should be permanently barred from ever serving in a public position again. There should be zero tolerance for such incompetence and corruption.
My mom just got a 700 water bill she had me go and check out her house and found out that some guy that was working on the road came and turned on a hose and left the water going and this was when my mom had knee surgery so she had no way going of checking its bs
Corruption at its peak.
Now you know what Trump was talking about, you can't beat the administrative state, you want more government you get more government.
More like stupidity.
Local government can do far worse than this to a business owner.
@@ashleymiller7439 oh, just wait the feds passed a law that said you have to register with Fincen, if you don’t, it’s two years in prison if you don’t do it correctly it’s two years in prison you don’t do it on time it’s two years in prison that’s what the federal government can do. I’m sure it’ll be enforced like they enforced the law requiring people to register as a foreign agent where they only go after Trump’s people or how Obama used the IRS, EPA, FBI, and other federal agencies to target groups and businesses he didn’t agree with.
The bank accounts of all involved should be audited🤔
I agree !
Guaranteed the board members or water shed pocketed money and dont wanna pay it back.
So this poor guy gets the debt
Plus their relatives & freinds too.
Out of all the statements here this one makes the most sense. It's clear that that man didn't use a million gallons of water, and it's virtually impossible for him or anyone else to steal it. So the only other Solutions are clerical error or straight up corruption.
This is the only answer. Someone(s) is definitely pocketing that money!
A water leak before the meter? That doesnt make sence...... Sounds like he was getting billed for the gold club
So never considered a faulty meter, but considers someone stealing millions of gallons of water in a night. It's so insane how people today fail to admit when they made a mistake.
SMH. If they adjust his bill there will be a huge push for them to adjust others. I can only imagine how many people have faced an astronomical bill due to their negligence.
Everyone on the board that wants the bill to stand should be in prison.
That would be all four of them...including the lady who "didn't want to deny the appeal" but did it anyways...why would she if she didn't want to?
@@jjwagnell glorified welfare recipients
Sounds like some of them were actually faking bills and water usage for corruption or something else.
A lot of the time it is the way the rules are written. It’s just like court. They have to go by the law exactly how it is written so technicalities are what they are hiding behind. It’s unethical but technically legal. It’s ridiculous and it happens everywhere 🙄
They want it to stand cause it's a bill to fund their Christmas bonuses
He should sue them and make them pay his attorneys fee when he wins! Theres no way someone trucked out 10 swimming pools full of water each week without anyone seeing!
Honestly the only possible way it would happen is if some one tapped the line and directed it to them, and there would be evidence of that. You can't just turn on the garden hose and steal that kind of water. If I had to guess the Golf course would be a likely culprit as they tend to go through tons of the stuff. Other than that though, no it's impossible. And again there would be evidence of some one tapping the house line like that.
I remember a guy did that in downtown Atlanta years ago. A neighboring business rigged the line and had the owner of the vacant building owner paying the water bill. The watershed management didn't want to admit fault. They even claimed to fix it and lied.
The gov never has to pay.
China owns most water companies and our current president and reigning party... eo goodlick fighting them with the "legal system". Math and physics itself as well as 2 witnesses and a news station.... the chynhese company wins hmmm wonder why?
@@JustaGuy_GamingActualy it is easily possible to use that much water. A sink gets like 250 gallon per hour in 4000 hours (half a year) that is 1 million gallon.
Story could be, child opend faucet in the basement and no one noticed
This is actually good reporting. Good job.
If you've ever filled a pool from 0 to full, it takes a long, long time. That's an incredible amount of water to be charged with.
That lawyer should be disbarred. Everyone else involved should be fired.
Rest assured that is not a lawyer, just someone without qualifications of any kind paid big bucks to be a criminal.
Don’t blame the lawyer when it’s the system that’s messed up!!
disbarred for what? Did this lawyer break the law?? You sound like an idiot.
The city / water co lawyer must also be held to account.
And then charged w. fraud.
This isn't wild this is robbery 😠
and shows the stupidity of the board especially the guy holding the mic.
Now you know what Trump was talking about, you can't beat the administrative state, you want more government you get more government.
someone stole the water! 😂
Funny you bring him into a conversation about corrupt politics, when he wasn't relevant or the subject of this story.
Tells me you know exactly what kind of person your supporting.
@@SBE3000 I just knew it would trigger you
Sue them! Screw that!!
Thank you
The Water Board needs to be held criminally responsible and each one personally liable for damages and theft.
Honestly they could put them under a RICO charge. This sounds like organized crime even though it's in a rural town, this company is engaged in theft on high levels with the local laws supporting them.
The water board needs some water boarding.
Liberal accountability 😂😂😂😂😂😂
AND FIRED PERMANENTLY FROM ANY WATER CO JOB AGAIN!
diversity hire
When the system has you appeal to the very people issuing you a judgment, you know you're basically in a trap.
This. No one in the government works for you, OR has any incentive to help you or be fair in any way. They have zero personal liability, and you can do nothing to them.
It makes you wonder what else they're capable of and what other shady practices they've been up to. Water is water the world is surrounded by the stuff yes it's "kind off cleaned" but nobody should be paying anywhere near that for council pop
f o@@BuceGar
Should company put in jail for blackmail 😢😢😢 they knew even physically it not possible
No you're in a system that is full of criminals and only God is going to change it!!!
Before connection to the future home the flow meter (likely a vortex flow meter) in the empty pipe was probably registering vibrations from vehicular traffic as water flow pulses. Once there was water, the background vibrations were nullified and the meter was accurate.
The board is trying to deflect any sort of idea that their meters could be inaccurate by continuing to pursue this. If they admit the meters could be wrong that could lead to many other cases where their bills are extremely high.
Yall better keep up on this until justice is served! Dont just forget!
There is NO WATER LINE and he lost.... BS...it's a scam abuse fraud...sick....
Now you get a lawyer and sue them for fraud, defamation, mental anguish, and whatever else you can get and i ask for 10x the amount they tried to steal from you.
exactly
Sadly, the judge is in their pocket, just like it is here in Birmingham Alabama.
And then we all have to pay it and they continue to get away with their corrupt business.
Government created monopolies always screw us over and, when they get caught, screw us over again. Water supply, schools, police, DOTs, you name it. It's always bad for us. They use mob strategies to get and protect their monopolies and that does not include doing anything with the actual intent of helping the people they purport to serve.
"theft" 😂😂 it is literally impossible to steal that much water
thank you fox5. this is ridiculous. people need to send the water company letters. expose the people behind this. people power.
There is actually a fourth possibility: GRAFT.
Someone in the agency may well be pocketing money, and running up fictitious bills to cover the disparities in the agency's books. If this is the case, then very probably, everyone on the review board--with the exception (maybe) of the woman who did not want to deny this appeal, would also be receiving a cut of that graft.
To me, this would seem to be the most logical explanation for so many occurrence's. i.e.: In such a scenario: The 80% of denied appeals would almost all be attributable to graft cover-up, while the 20% of granted appeals would have been actual errors (instead of intentional errors, made to cover theft from within).
Sounds to me like the D.A. might want to think of opening an investigation.
Looks like the previous Atlanta Watershed Commissioner (Jo Ann Macrina) was sent to prison for accepting bribes on the job. You may be onto something.
The woman who "totally didnt want to deny the appeal" is lying lol
If she didn't want to deny it she would have just voted that way
Wow... so true
Facts
I was going to suggest. Attorney general review.
The theft is from the board. They should be audited for how many times they do this and fired
Listen to the video again, as they've already been audited. 80% of the time, they rule against the consumer.
Not the first time.
@@SuzanneBaruch
The government protects its own. Of course they found nothing wrong.
Just fired for grand theft?
@@SvendleBerries that's irrelevant to my response to the OP's point.
This reminds me of the post office scandle in the UK!
It's insane that this is even a situation someone can find themselves in. Literally nothing adds up, it is mathematically impossible for someone to use or "steal" that much water in the time frame they're claiming. Only thing I can think of is if that main was open full blast 24/7 but even the water company themselves admitted there wasn't even a slight leak. That board has a serious god-complex and isn't even trying to make sense.
Yeah; the number is about right for a open pipe; but they would know if that were the case.
This IS definitely criminal. How dare they charge him that much for something he didn't even do?! This should be taken to court, and the water board should be ashamed of itself!
charge them what they tried to charge.
but can he prove that he didn't?
by the way, i'm accusing you of stealing several swimming pools of water from me over a vague period in the past. prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that you didn't, or pay me $30,000.
@@DoroNijimaruthe whole " not even having a water line to the lot" should be proof enough
@@DoroNijimaru actually you need proof for show that he have done it, not the inverse, that why we say the defendant.... here they need to show proof he did steal the water or use it... not at him to show that he is not related to the case.
at this point they try to make him pay for a mistake on them part. it happend often sadly... a company make a mistake on a line and it's the person to pay for it. and this is definitivly criminal. and need to go to court for fraud at this point.
@@Beldhan @my.point
Unless the Water board can proof "Theft" has taken place, they have no grounds of such accusation toward this man. This is clearly extortion for sure. The Water board member has to be investigated to see if such tactics has occurred in the past for illegal profit.
Of course it has, every day.
Innocent until proven guilty. They haven't proven theft did take place so they are basically BS'ing their way out of losing all those water. I hope the court will find the water board's claim baseless and demand they remove $30,000 plus pay the land owner compensation for legal expenses and suffering from their incompetence.
I guarantee you they have. They do it here down in Brevard Florida
All you have to do is look at the meter is it spinning freely with no water flowing. Go out there and record the numbers daily
I would posit that theft did indeed take place, but not of the water.
The higher court should allow this home owner to criminally charge these people with extortion. Home water service can typically push 360GPM, which means in order for someone to steal 1 Million gallons of water over 5 months would require someone to pump 6575 gallons per day from a service that pumps 8640 gallons per day. These idiots are claiming that nobody noticed trucks pumping water from a disconnected service for over 18 hours a day for 7 days a week for 5 months straight... without missing a single day.
How do they suppose that this house was built while this theft was going on?
check the size of the pipes and flow and calculate the maximum possible of water that can be taken from the pipes in a certian amount of time and if thats even possible to do !!
It almost sounds like there is criminal activity WITHIN the water department instead of the contractor
This is robbery via utility billing. He didn't use the water, the utility company can't prove he did. The water itself was never even provided. This is definitely a crime, probably similar to how the quality of water in flint is criminally toxic. These water agencies are becoming villains.
its Atlanta, what do you expect? Its the next Chit-Cago
This!!!
Did I misunderstand? Didn't they have a written document that says no water was even hooked up?
@@kdizzystl correct, nothing was connected past the meter. and everywhere, the street to the meter is on the water authority, and the meter to the house is on the builder/resident. Since there was nothing beyond the meter, this should be 100%, not on the builder.
Since the board is suggesting theft, he should sue each board member for stealing his water makes sense since their claiming theft they must know they stole it
ABSOLUTELY!
Oh my goodness ! 😢
You'd think the 30K was going directly into some of the board member's pockets.
Refuse to pay. Sue the water department. Sue the members of the board. Put their names out in public and social media. This is a country founded by people who tared and feathered tax-collectors for much less. It is time the citizens remind our public officials that they have a duty to investigate incidents like this and that they are just as accountable for mistakes as the rest of us.
they'll use Sovereign Immunity as a crutch
They are on a public board. Their names are already in public...
@@ryanp6267but most people don’t know who they are.
@@alexfagard3618 In the United States, sovereign immunity typically applies to the federal government and state government, but not to municipalities. Federal and state governments, however, have the ability to waive their sovereign immunity.
Preachhhh
Happened to me with my water bill. They said I had a leak and I owed $3,094.00. My previous bill the month before was like $24.00. Said I used over 1 million gallons also. They did give me a credit for about a third. They absolutely refused to work out a reasonable payment plan with me and I would have to pay $800 upfront to even be eligible for a payment plan. When I didn't have $800 they shut my water off. It was OFF FOR A MONTH before a "supervisor" called me back and magically got it back on again. One of the worst nightmares. Your hands are absolutely tied and you are at their mercy.
That’s extortion
Need to have the meter tested if the meter reader read the meter with a hand held device need to be tested or it could be a software glitch on the download of the hand held device
@@hampden2117 thanks moron.
This is banana-republic style corruption. This board needs to be behind bars.
Yep you need to sue. Thats crazy
Think of all the times you're overcharged and don't even know it. We've had some crazy swings in our water bill with no explanation a few times. It happens more and more often even though we don't change any of our usage.
It’s a possibility depending on water meter size going to the property. It’s amazing what some people would do to fill a 4 acre man made pond with water!
Sue them in federal court for extortion and fraud.
This is very simple. The theft was digital. The water board knew the amount was false, and didn’t bother to correct the computer related issue h til the water was actually connected.
Sue them and after the suit, file charges for fraud.
You need money to sue
@@fabianortiz1712 only if you lose... this is a pretty open and shut case. it wouldn't take a team of Rocket scientists to prove that that man didn't steal millions of gallons of water.
@@fabianortiz1712 not necessarily. Attorneys commonly take on cases like this on a contingency basis. Meaning they take on the risk of a legal loss, but if they win, they get a big cut of the judgement.
Yes, I’m thinking there was a problem with their programming and somehow when they set up the meter. Were they actually reading the meter? Or is it a smart meter? Maybe these people should sue the meter manufacturer..
All the water meters are digital. They should have those recorded as well as the amount of actual flow. I bet there’s a huge discrepancy!
Peco does the same thing. There was no meter on my house because of electrical issues.. Peco still charged me for 3 months of electricity with a “bill estimation”..
Don't ever call the WATERFRAUDBOARD😂😂😂😂
I had an opposite experience. I had a leak under my house. The water was running down my drive and down the road. It took a few days for a plumber to fix it. I called my water provider because there were water restrictions due to an extended drought and I thought I might get reported. I was trying to avoid a fine. The water provider asked me to send them a copy of the plumbers bill and then they adjusted my bill down to normal use. They made effort to avoid billing me for excessive water use at my house because it was beyond my control. This is how providers should act.
That's crazy. Where do you live?
@@steveescher1554not Atlanta 🤣
@@steveescher1554 Australia, which explains the drought. There are lots of similarities between the States and Australia but also differences. Things don't always work out and I was very surprised when they reduced my bill.
they do the exact same thing in atlanta. you call to notify of a leak, you send a copy of your plumber's bill, they adjust the usage before you get the bill. the adjustment is noted on the bill. this is a news story because they're being weird instead of normal.
@@robgeach8105 sure, all is normal in the corrupt city of Atlanta. It's only abnormal in the fact they're getting called out.
If a government entity says it cannot be sued, you sue the state claiming failure of due process. You have a constitutional right of legal due process and some "water board" is not a qualified court.
When they say that they can’t be sued. Sue them each instead as a whole
Absolutely 💯
@@robertarmstrong4228exactly. Sue them all individually and not just for having the bill corrected. Sue them for the damages he has with not being able to sell the home and all the wasted time taking it to the board. Might as well throw in mental anguish since it's one big freaking headache trying to deal with incompetent officials
Uhu
They are definitely in the wrong. Nobody could even steal that much water unless they brought in huge trucks which the public would have noticed. I had no idea that they couldnt be sued 6:23. If that is true and its a law then it should be overturned.
I used to live 40 miles from Atlanta for 2 years, I got the hell out of there. I don't know about the rest of Georgia but I do know that the area I was in is absolutely corrupt.
Absolutely criminal!
Even if there had been a leak... since the utility company installed it (their negligence).
This calls for a class action suit against the utility for corruption in general billing.
The only unscrupulous people are on that board!! Corrupt to the bone
Thats why they all wear face masks.
They are the ones robbing you. They should be ashamed of their highway robbery.
Do they seem ashamed? I don’t think so
Feel free to ask the Atlanta city bureaucrat behind this bill Nick Cappon (ncappon@atlantaga.gov) what's going on.
Are there any updates on this???
How could he still have a balance of $219.29 with nothing attached to the meter???
This is terrible. I don’t know why court would side with the water shed company. This is corruption beyond words!!!
Who pays the court
Because the water company is basically owned by the Government in many cases, their needs are the Govt needs. Some one has to pay for that massive leak of water and the City doesn't want to do it.
@@8gjames Then listen again around 6:10
Government always sides with Government
@@deadlytaour stupid tax dollars
They need to file a class action lawsuit on behalf of ALL the victims of the water company and need a criminal investigation into the water company for hundreds of counts of extortion, larceny, grand thefts
He will not be alone. If they are trying to deny a refund this badly then they are afraid of having to refund others. This needs a major inveatigation.
needs to be investigated by the department of Justice honestly @@kelly4187
Yes, how many have been victims of this insane system but just gave up the hopeless fight? Please search for all who have been victims of this theft.
Water companys are like this everywhere there extortionists they dnt care bout no one but $$ look at ceo's bonuses from any water company in usa
Yes make it a RICO
This is real journalism, to keep the government in check and call out corruption. Good job guys!
Not just Atlanta,, had similar happen to me here in South Oz. $300 worth of water to an unoccupied house. Not quite the same but the water people denied any faults.
“You can’t sue us”.
I would 1000% call that bluff!
The smug look on the commissioner's face when he declared that their are only 3 options was disgusting. There is a 4th option, and that's a malfunctioning meter. It's even likely given that it wasn't connected.
The evidentiary standard for depriving someone of property is a little higher than probable cause.
I know, right? This is exactly what I thought. Either the meter, or something with the code. Maybe using no water created some kind of null value the breaks the computation.
@@PsychoMuffinSDMOur electric bill jumped hugely for one month after we bought our house. We read the meter after we got the bill. It was not even as high as the numbers listed on the bill! I called and asked them what was going on. They said they would come by and check the meter. Sure enough, they had billed us for 2 months, one in the future! They were "estimating" our usage based on former owners, size of house, or something. They corrected the bill. A month later we got a new meter, and no problems since. They know they better READ our meter, not "estimate."
5th option: Defiance
Typical Democrat 🙋🏿♂️
Or another option, the meter was inadvertently switched with the golf course meter in their system so the builder was getting readings from the golf course meter (that golf course holds the PGA tour championship every year) and the golf course got the new meter readings. The golf course might not notice water fluctuations like that. Since the meter worked after being hooked up (it wasn't malfunctioning), the water district installer probably recognized the problem, switched the meters back in the system, and didn't tell anyone of the initial mistake. It also explains the email stating it was a leak in the system (that meter at the house cannot detect a leak in the system - it's just a lie to cover for an employee mistake entering the wrong meter in the system.
A question to ask is if the water meter and the water line can even flow that much water in the given time. A given diameter pipe at a given pressure can only flow so many cubic feet (that is how water is metered) per hour. I'm wondering how many hours the pipe would have to be open to reach the amount claimed.
300,000 gallons, considering the max output in a residential system is that even possible in that short a time frame?
Watershed needs to be held criminally accountable for such a blatant attempt of extortion. They already admitted that the cause of the water leak was from one of their own properties.
Whoever is trying to stick him with that bill is trying to cover up a bigger problem, garunteed.
*guaranteed
or its a shakedown.
I'd like to see the evidence of Watershed readings, surely they have pictures? Log books? First thing I'd do is take a photo of the actual meter the day it was installed, then take a weekly photo. And if the Watershed admitted there was a leak, then where was the water going? Cause no one saw any evidence of leaking water. If the leak was before the meter, then how do the Watershed know how much water went missing. The Watershed are pure criminals plain and simple.
@alvallac2171 no one asked you to correct spelling. Nazi
@@williamshelton4318 why continue to bill him for 30k even after admitting their mistake?
Is he a prominent builder?
Is he competing with a relative of one of them?
So much thats not coming out from the board.
If they are attempting to extort him for $30,000 when he couldn't possibly have taken that much water, especially with it not even hooked up to the house, that is a federal crime. They are essentially committing theft by extorting him, and theft of any property exceeding $1000 is a felony. He needs to get the FBI involved.
FBI has a bad reputation these days.
only if youre a criminal
Probably has to do with malfunctioning meter ... especially those electronic ones that auto-report.
Is there anyway that golf course somehow figured out if you switched the nozzle how is the water measured I would be looking into that golf course if there’s a way to switch the meter or backfeed the line or something sometimes if you don’t shut the mop sink off, hot water will go into the bait tank I’d be looking into it a little more get yourself a private plumber or something something up if they’re fighting at that hard
Either the meter is broken or the golf course has an illegal hook up
Even I dont see them using that much water.
I am a licensed master plumber and inspector in both New Jersey and Florida. I have been an inspector for 12 years worked for multiple municipalities, and I have been in the industry for over 30 years.
It is virtually impossible to steal that amount of water. You would need 10 water tankers every weekend for months, it’s impossible and ridiculous No one would need to steal that kind of water for anything.
I will tell you exactly what happened. Some of these water meters do not have an internal check valves so if they had a leak on the cities main or the main has constant surges, the meter would reciprocate back-and-forth constantly. That is most likely what created the huge bill. Not some made up marvel comic evil water thief villain
"marvel comic evil water thief villain" ROTFLMAO!!!
And i was thinking Aquaman had something to do with it😂😂😂
Hey the Dumb A** "Evil Villain Water Thieves" can be found at the oversight committee with the exception of the one and only intelligent person on that board.
Are they just stupid, or only can answer what they are told to say ?
Thank you for sharing your experienced perspective!!
When it's THIS important for the Atlanta Watershed Management, there's another reason and a lot more deliberate fraudulent behaviour behind this....!
File a lawsuit against the individuals choosing to ignore the email from the water department admin that said this was a leak and not from use of a disconnected meter.
Any updates on this matter?
FIRED. Every last one of them for, not only for incompetence but stupidity as well. Authority and ignorance never mix together quite right.
Arrested, not fired. They are blatantly committing fraud.
It's a public municipality, job qualifications or performance do not matter. Cases like this always stand as reminders for those who would gaslight us into thinking governments need more control.
I've been Water Operations for close to 10 years. 300k gals is a lot of flow to just appear. If theft is the reason law enforcement should be involved. Two other lines of thought. Gross incompetence or criminal corruption should addressed as well.
How are you going to win an appeal when the appeal board and the water company are working together. That's why justice is just an illusion.
Question, where are the meter read logs? Because if there was a large movement though the meter, then the water is going somewhere, but I have known issues with 6 digit water meters having issues when you log a very small amount or a lower number then previously entered into the reading system and the system basically adding the 7th digit to the reading assuming the meter has done a complete revolution in order for it to have a lower value, as meters don't turn backwards, causing an additional million units being billed, which sounds like what may have happened here. But also it is suspicious on the builders part, they had to get a service and meter put in? so was the plot not serviced, if so there could be 30K or project costs fromt eh water authority to service the property if there wasn't already a service present. I think this is a case of a owner builder not realising what it costs to get services installed to a property and then trying to get out of it when they realise what it was going to cost. Also most meters have the ability to lock it off, why wasn't the meter locked off? if it was locked off then no one would have been able to steel water, without destructively removing the lock which would have been obvious.
Thanks I'm not living in Atlanta Georgia