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How they thought they could sell this for $1000 puzzles me. The level of fabric quality, seat cushion, back mesh and headrest are all commonly found on chairs < $500
Because unfortunately it's going to be marketed for gamers, who won't bother to check how good the chair actually is. Many streamers are going to be using this chair and that alone will sell the chair
Appreciate the honest review, HM really dropped the ball with this one. It's basically a $400-500 chair with a 12 year warranty. Although I'm not sure what exactly would break under warranty that would make it worth the extra cash. Say you need a replacement headrest, what does that cost? $5-10? The lumbar support looks like it would cost about the same as well. Personally I'm a huge fan of my Steelcase Gesture, I paid $1100 new a couple years ago and it has the same 12 year warranty. It exceeded my expectations for the price
I think HM really blew it with this one... To the point where it changes my perception of the company. I hope they recall these and try to recoup what is left of their luxury and build quality reputation. This chair makes their other chairs seem cheap
That's really ridiculous and NOT at all how reality works. Most who use HM chairs probably won't even know it exists, and nothing else you said makes sense, just because the A-Class Mercedes exists doesn't make the S-Class seem cheap.
@@zicafoos8260 it's true that most companies are trying to gain a share of the gaming chair market. I think the way that HM went about it in this particular case with the vantum was the wrong move. With all the cost cutting. I feel that they should have cut less corners and come out with a slightly more expensive chair that aligns with the quality of the rest of their line up.
@@cenciende9401 I'm sorry you feel that way. In my opinion, it does dent the reputation of the company. Seeing how many corners were cut to save costs on this chair makes me wonder if future iterations of say, the aeron or embody, will have similar corners cut.
@@BD-ox3yq I agree. When I think of HM, I think of expensive but high quality chairs with unique designs. This one feels like it was created by outsourcing the design and manufacturing. I agree brand reputation does mean something and can suffer if you put out a dud.
Glad I bought the logitech embody on the back of your reviews. After initial experience of really not enjoying it, now I'm used to it and sitting in a proper position, it's crazy comfy! Just awaiting the atlas headrest...
Personally, in the $1000 price range, this chair seems like a total rip off. Seems like HM is just slapping their name on something that they did very little R&D on to take advantage of the gaming community. Going to stick with a quality office chair like the Amia (which is also $300 less). Thanks for the great review!
Tbh, it's not a high end office chair, it's never meant to compete with those calibre of chairs. Below $1000, the Sayl, Lino and Verus are HM's best offerings.
It's interesting because I went into a Herman Miller store and tried out all of the chairs. I thought the Vantum was extremely comfortable to sit on even more comfortable than the embody actually lol. U make a good point though about the cheap construction. But I think you should have a blind test on this. The Herman Miller Sail did not feel that good to me lol. I am 5ft 8 and 140lb so I guess for skinny average-height guys like me this chair works pretty well. Here are some of my thoughts on the chairs for just testing them out for a short time in the store. My thoughts on the Vantum: - I love back to support its a lot more simple than the embody - I actually like the mesh on the Vantum and not as stiff as the mesh on the Aeron - I like the extra cushion for the butt support (for the skinny guys like me that don't have cushion) - The headrest feels great to lean back on My thoughts on the Embody: - I like the back support, but I didn't feel was $2000 dollar great. - Love the soft fabric - The butt cushion is too thin. My thoughts on the Aeron: - Love the armrest - a great chair for the office but doesn't feel like a comfy home chair where u can just chill back on. - I sit on this chair every day in the office so rather get something different I'm just your average Joe consumer. I think if you guys really want to make a decision on a chair just go to your local Herman Miller store and test them out for yourself. Out of all the chairs I tested the Vantum felt the best, also It looks pretty sexy in my opinion, and it's half the cost of the Embody. Everyone is different and I only tested these chairs for a short time, but I gonna pick this one up. Hope this comment helps someone! Cheers!
Hey by no means was this meant to discourage people from the Vantum. I wanted to be ahnest and give people as much insight as possible. You fit in the "under 5'10" mark and I also noted that the backrest felt good and seat felt supportive, but when you press on a Sayl seat, you'll notice how much better the cushion feels compared to the Vantum's. But things like that don't matter that much when you actually sit on it!
Lmao the fact that it broke during the review! I guess you get to review the warranty process as well! Thanks for this! I was considering this chair because I’m too big for other Herman miller chairs, but this seems like it has too many cost cutting measures.
Hi Dan, I want to say thank you for the quality of your video reviews =) I've gone over many tuber channels on chair reviews, and yours is the best. The level of detail and depth that you dive into is top-tier. For example, the seat depth at 6:00. You noted that the arms move together with the seat base, which is a big nono for me. Other Vantum reviewers did not pick up on that. Kudos! I've made a donation to your Paypal.
Thank god for ahnestly. I was hyped for the review but you saved me potentially blind buying this. I think I might just have to give the embody 1 more try again.
Have you tried the gaming version? They are very similar but not 100% the same. My first high end chair was the Embody, after 8 days I got shoulder pain so I decided to return it because I had a 14 day return window. My next chair was the Steelcase Gesture, the backrest was very different, it wasn't bad but I liked the Embody system more (I feeled the support more). The seat was good for a few hours but after 3-6 hours my butt hurt. So I decided to give the Embody Gaming a try, luckily there was a sale on their website. So after almost 1 year I am happily sitting on it without any shoulder pain or any other pain. At some point I miss the more adjustable arm pads from the Geste and after a long day in the home office the headrest was also good for having to watch a series in the evening. I also tried the Aeron from a dealer, the B size fit almost perfectly but my thighs are a bit too big so they touch the frame on side. Size C was overall too big for me.
@@lordbaby100 when I was trialing chairs, I tried the normal and Logitech embody and found the Logitech embody to be really uncomfortable for me. My back would hurt from the extra padding, but the normal embody was amazing and that ended up being the chair that I bought after trying other chairs
I'm VERY surprised by all the cost cutting and overall quality/result of this chair, it is not what I would expect from HM. When I first saw it announced I thought maybe it could be my next chair in a few years when/if I'm ready to replace my Secret Lab Evo, but with what I'm seeing no way. I mean look at something like my previous chair the Ergohuman, it costs less for full metal construction, a ton of adjustments, lockable tilt of course, fantastic full mesh which I never had an issue with in 8 years etc. Also side note, the first thing I do with any chair is replace the castors with far superior rollerblade style wheels, screw castors!
i started looking in the chair market for an upgrade right when the vantum came out. i knew nothing, but was super hyped for it since it was like the cheapest HM and it was right in my budget. tried it in an authorized dealer and was very dissapointed. but im glad that this chair sent me into a rabbit hole of research and testing because i now ended up with an embody despite it being way more. and i love it
I've had an Embody for 1.5yrs now and would never switch up on this chair. I greatly considered the Vantum when I first saw HM was making a gaming chair but when I looked at it on the site, it instantly looked way too cheaply made compared to their other chairs. The only thing that would improve the Embody for me (in very specific cases like waiting for a match to load or watching a long-ish video) would be a headrest and that's the main thing that made me look at the Vantum anyways lol. Congrats on getting the Embody tho!
@@chodeyboi4754 I absolutely love my embody. the one gripe i have is that this thing is damn noisy. like this seat pan adjustment drives me crazy and sometimes the chair squeaks when i lean back and move at the same time. luckily i was able to crack open the seat pan adjustment handles and lube up some of the mechanims and now it doesnt make a sound.
@kyuro I luckily haven't had that issue so far but I also appreciate the 12 year warranty they have just in case mine does fuck up at some point lol. I researched chairs for ~6 months and talked to alot of people on youtube/IG and what sold me were the users who owned their HM chairs for over a decade and still use them daily. Plus Design Within Reach is 20 mins away from me and I got to sit in them before buying. That was a big reason I didn't order any other brands too.
@@chodeyboi4754 the embody being noisy is a pretty inherent issue. you're lucky yours isnt making tons of noise. my embody is actually my second one (my first one was making tons of noise so i asked for a replacement, got it, and the seat pan started making crazy noise after 3 days). many ADs and HM repair people know of these issues, and tell many people to deal with it or get an Aeron
i'm with you on your thoughts about chairs (especially this one) not having tilt lock being a missed opportunity. i think what a lot of companies miss out on is that there's people who both work and game/relax with the same setup and chair! what's needed is the comfort but also the quick features that makes it easier to switch in between work mode and relax mode ie a way to tilt lock to just recline and chill. right now between the office chair companies and gaming chair companies there hasn't been one out that does a good balance of both
While I was waiting for this review, I decided to pull the trigger on remanufactured leapv2 from Crandall for the thicker padding. After this review I feel like I made the right decision plus the chair is way more comfortable then the crappy kitchen chair I had been using for the last couple months after my old cheap racing chair broke
Noice! I LOVE the remanufactured leap!!! Also, Jonathan from the video got to test all my chairs while he was here - all the chairs in my studio are probably over $1,500 each - and he chose the remanufactured leap over all of them! Spread the word (and tell them to please use my link lol!)
If the Sayle wins over this chair, then that makes the Vantum not my choice, the headrest breaking though, my god! That was scary lol glad you fixed it in the end.
Its still a shock to me that HM jacked the embody up to $1800. I consider myself lucky I got in when it was still *only* $1400. I can say that if I was in the market today I would certainly be considering the Vantum among others. I get what HM is trying to do, I just hope they dont end up diluting their brand and reputation to chase a trend especially when they were selling to gamers anyway before they had a dedicated line.
I disagree. It feels amazing and looks great. I purchased one on the spot due to the price-point. After years of using a steelcase w no neck support, I really appreciate this. The overall adjustability and smooth reclining resistance was simply refined. Try sitting in one and tuning it perfectly. Give it some time.
I've just purchased my first ever desk/computer chair that's not just a no-brand $200-$300 eBay job. Was going to go for the Herman Miller Mirra 2 but then decided on the Steelcase Leap V2 as I think I'll find it a lot more comfortable and it's overall build quality seems a tad touch better. Should arrive in a couple days -- stoked on what it could mean for my lower back issues and general comfort. Glad I avoided the Vantum. Thanks for the review.
You bring up some valid points. Some of your concerns are less impactful for me but your review is honest. The chair is fine for me but I waited until Black Friday to purchase one and ended up getting this chair for $750
I also picked one up yesterday and am going to give it a good few weeks test run. So far no complaints. I'd have to purposely abuse it to damage it. The plastic parts are light but overall it doesn't feel cheaply manufactured. I do wonder if the mesh will wear and tear faster than other chairs would. It works for what I need it for, but its hard to ignore all the comments saying its a $500 chair marked up to $1K. I got it for $750 too.
I was abit concerned about the integrity of your review when you mentioned the affiliate links at the start, but it seems like a very fair and unbias review of the product that rightfully points out flaws in the product. Really nice review! Thanks.
great video thank you! was waiting for it :) I picked the embody new from HM in Germany in May. It had the same price as the Vantum now in Germany - I guess good that I didnt wait. Now Embody is 1.7k
@@Ahnestly The Amia looks cumbersome in the undercarriage, which and maybe not as light, to which I passed and got the Vantum. So far its great for my needs, but I can see how if you were rough with it you could damage it
Another solid review and you're right, expectations are high when dropping a grand on a chair. I still stand by my choice for the Steelcase Gesture, which your review helped with. I've had it for almost a year now and it's awesome. For the arm rests alone I don't think I can go back to any standard style rests found on all other chairs.
Thank you for the reviews as always! I got to try out this chair at the local Herman Miller store and I thought the headrest height wasn't adjustable lol
Love the channel and appreciate the reviews. The more chairs I see the happier I am with my classic loaded Aeron with Atlas headrest and Amazon rollerblade wheels I cobbled together for cheap!
Appreciate the in-depth review. Disappointed with Herman Miller and this chair, I don’t think it’s worth anywhere the asking price based on all info I’ve seen about it.
Hey, Not sure if you have this chair laying around but it's the X-Wing MGMT Chair by X-Chair. Can you review it? I see thousands of people review other chairs but no one has done this one. I am 6'2. Thxs Awesome vid btw. 👍
Yup just cancelled my vantum order. Extremely disappointed on Herman Miller's direction with this chair, the entire brand is known for it's quality/reliablity. Thanks for the quick review
I had a very interesting back and forth with the official Steelcase Twitter account via DM. When I asked them why they mocked the Vantum and yet don't have gaming chairs of their own, they told me that their current chairs are great for gaming. That's simply not true, because none of the top Steelcase chairs support forward tilt and therefore they would leave the back completely unsupported, when the PC gamer is leaning forward. I don't have trouble using the Aeron or Mirra 2 for work/gaming.
I’d say don’t push away Herman Miller just because their new chair isn’t as good as their other ones. Their other chairs like the Aeron/Embody which have been almost the benchmark in office chairs didn’t change
I wanted to like the chair. With more leisure time being spent at a desk I think there needs to be an option for less work oriented ergonomics. But the vantum misses the mark, it looks like it was built to a very specific cost to be in "best gaming chair" listicles. Maybe HM can take another crack with a "Vantum 2" like they did with the mirra and aeron.
Try chairs in store if u can cuz everybody build different. I went store yesterday(am short fem 5’5) and tried all chairs, this is by far the best for me, downside is the material but can’t blame the comfort. Was originally looking cosm high sadly not a good fit. I agree it may feel a bit small for tall ppl.
to remove the headrest stem thing, there is a hole in the back of the chair body where you can put in a small screwdriver to push the tab so you could pull out the headrest.( you have to push in the screwdriver and pull at the same time)
Ha! Got a midroll ad for this chair. Definitely does not look like enough chair for the money. Years ago, I was deciding between the Herman Miller Embody chair and the Steelcase Gesture, and ended up buying the Gesture. The Embody chair was nice and all, but had that lower back pinching that some of us seemed to encounter. Compared to this Vantum chair? Spend a little more for a Gesture, which has WAY more features, adjustability, and customizability.
I don’t really understand this chair. If it were half the price I would. But for this money, any ‘gamer’ is probably looking to invest in a high-end office chair to replace their old gaming chair, as several notable streamers have done. Gaming chairs are meant to be much more affordable while also being less ergonomic as a compromise, with some fun features like a super deep tilt (which I still miss to this day from my old DX Racer) along with cool colors/branding. This thing just seems to be in this weird limbo where you’re getting something that doesn’t seem like a great high-end chair and also lacks the expected fun and affordability of a gaming chair. Maybe they expected people to pay top dollar for “the premium gaming chair” without realizing that many gamers with 4 digit budgets would just go for something in their office chair lineup anyway. But who knows, just my guess. I do love HM though, my Aeron is the best chair I’ve ever sat in. Maybe they will make future improvements to the Vantum. Thanks for the vid!
All the major criticizing points, like no locked leanback, shorter seat depth, are all very important posture health features. Of course it is up to user to choose whether they want comfort or health on these features.
Thank you so much for this review, my old HyperX stealth makes my back/glutes hurt now always when i sit in it. Got it in 2019, and now its time to buy a new one. This review really got good keypoints which made me understand that this aint the chair for me. Now i just need to figure do i go with Sayl or Aeron, im 5”11 and 94 kg. Embody would be great but it quite too expensive to me atm while studying
I just got one for a little less than 700 dollars. Seems like a decent chair, my main complaint is also the head rest, its just cheap and not really great considering the price of the chair and also the cushion scratchy material is not super nice but i mainly bought this chair to help improve my posture.
I literally got an Embody X Logitech for less than one of these in their Black Friday sale…30% discount on the Embody X Logitech and 0% discount on this as it’s only just been released. It makes no sense whatsoever, but I’m very happy!!! 😀
"Maybe I'm crazy" is right! Tilt limiter requires no "fidgeting" with the adjustment controls, even less than fixed tilt lock. You only have to set the right tilt tension ONCE - just gentle enough to allow effortless recline, while simultaneously providing a little support for sitting back upright WITHOUT TOUCHING CONTROLS! This is superior to needing to unlock and relock the tilt every time you want to sit up to quickly type/click/grab something. If you need to spend some time in "business mode," you can lock the tilt upright anyway.
Yeah, that's the one part of this video which I didn't agree with. Everyone knows tilt lock is a cheap and failing mechanism, whilst the superior tilt limiter mechanism is more premium and promotes movement.
Did Herman Miller ask you to remove your Eames lounge video ? Can't find it anymore 🤐 This chair is also really disappointing from Hermann Miller. They went "hey lets do garbage like most gaming chair". Sad from that company. My Embody is coming in less than 2 weeks tho, still can't wait for it. And for Atlas to release their headrest for it.
Would be awesome if you could do a review on the Uplift vert chair. It’s under $500 and seems about the same as this one. Also has like a 15 year warranty.I love it
@ahnestly what chair has the best seat for you comfort wise? I have tailbone pain issues and I need help shortlisting chairs that mainly address this. Thanks!
Ahnestly, I think the best seat for me personally goes to the Embody, but it's like 50/50 people who like the chair. The LEAST offensive chair is the Steelcase Amia. Check out my video on that and I think you'll be SUPER happy. (Also, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a LOT)
The reason the headrest doesn’t go down is because you are putting force on the head section which is not going to make the neck go down. Should of stood up so you’re applying the force where it should be applied and you’ll have more leverage.
So the issue I had with that was…how the heck do I know what position the headrest should be in when I’m standing up??? And because it’s so difficult to adjust precisely, it goes down or up multiple notches at once making it much more difficult!
Aren't the majority of gaming chairs on the market racing style seats? Name one chair HM has produced that looks remotely like a "gaming" chair. They tend to produce aesthetically pleasing chairs that also have form, they're not gimmicky.
@@StardustLegacyFighter never said their chair looks like a "gaming chair" they just dont look like regular office chairs except for vantum. the others are more complex, dynamic, fun vibe like it's made for gaming/leisure etc
I answered that in the video - the HM Embody is the KING for me. Check out my 2 top favorites going head to head here: th-cam.com/video/qtQ1cFeIicY/w-d-xo.html Please consider using my links if you decide to pick up! Helps the channel a LOT!
I'm also 5.6" and I've gone through multiple chairs tyring to find a good fit of seat height and depth as well adjustability. What is your recomendation for short people balancing ergonomics and functionality?
Thank you for this, boss. I was really hoping this would turn out being alright because I really like the design of it, but I guess I might go with a remanufactured leap v2. Though, I was hoping for a nice chair that would fit me and be mostly mesh
Not too sure who this chair is made for in this price range it’s in. Maybe if it was priced at $600 I could understand it but otherwise a very strange release lol. Also I’m 3 months post op ACL surgery, I remember that that brace you have on all too well lol. Good luck on the long journey ahead
MY ACL REPAIR BROTHER!!! Ugh full recovery feels so far away...still feel the tension in the knee and I'm having an issue where if I fully extend my knee, it really hurts to bend, like the knee plates or something is rubbing against each other. Afraid my knee will never be the same :-( :-(
Thanks for the review. Disappointed to see the shortcomings, since HM's description of this chair sounded like what I was looking for. Which high end chairs would you say fit a similar description? I liked how the Aeron and Vantum both offered forward leaning support, but I didn't like how the Aeron seat is punishing when I try to relax on the chair. I thought the Sayl's backrest was too short (I'm 5'11) and no 3rd party headrests. The Embody seemed to only want you to lean back, but I might just bite the bullet on that anyway. I've also looked at Steelcase's lineup, but they don't have an AD where I live, so I won't get as good a deal as HM's stuff. And I hear the headrests are terrible.
Everything you said is true. I thought the Vantum would offer forward leaning support, but it didn't have it! I was REALLY surprised they left that out. If you're in the USA, get Steelcase stuff from Crandall office. HUGE fan of their stuff. Get Steelcase stuff at a discounted rate + 12 year warranty + free return policy = win win. Also, their remanuafctured leap gives more padding, which is amazing th-cam.com/video/XsnHSQMubQM/w-d-xo.html Please consider using my links if you purchase. Helps the channel a LOT
@@Ahnestly Oof. It doesn't even have that? Sounds like the only thing this has going for it then is that it's a "budget" HM chair that comes with a headrest.
I really like the concept of how this chair handles tilt tension, it sounds like if it were able to go just a bit tighter it would be a game-changer for easy consistent chair adjustment. Otherwise though, yeah, the competition looks a bit too strong for this to be a worthy consideration for someone like me.
There's competition in the gaming chair market? Unless you're talking about high end office chairs, the gaming chair market is just full of Chinese made racing seats. Only Interstuhl commands any kind of respect from me, because they design and manufacture their chairs directly in Germany and offer a 10 year warranty.
wellp, kinda strange that HM charing like 1,5k in sweden for this one and 2k for embody. so I probably gonna pick up embody. Great review kinda hoped this gaming chair would be better.
I personally wouldn't buy a gaming chair tbh, it's a waste of money. But if you're really set on getting a racing seat, check out Interstuhl Backforce. They're probably the best gaming chairs I've seen, better than the much overrated Secretlab ones.
What would be everyone's recommendation on a suitable chair for gaming? I currently have one of the racing chairs as I got it for Christmas after I built my 1st gaming PC. I need something with back and neck support as I am 6'2.
Not sure what your budget is, but I made a detailed video here: th-cam.com/video/dENnkLM1QB0/w-d-xo.html Use time stamps to get to the taller section and the price point you're looking to pay!
I use the reclining lock on the Secret Lab more than anything else on the chair. It totally is Business to Leisure, and back again. Super easy, huge feature! Not having this on this chair is a huge pass.
I actually have the Vantum as well and have been using it for a little over a week. Are the plastic seams on your armrests rough? I can feel the seams pretty easily when I run my hands over the fronts and the sides. Wondering if I should reach out to support about it.
@@Ahnestly it's the part where the plastic molds come together on the armrest and it wraps around the whole side of the armrest. If you sat in the chair and faced the desk, the seams would be facing the desk and wrap around the top of the armrest. Let me know if that makes sense.
I bought one of these before there were any reviews, while waiting for it to ship this review came out and I was a bit disheartened, it arrives and I try it out and at first I was pleasantly surprised, I like the back a lot, but after a day's worth of sitting it just kills my tailbone, I don't know if it's the firm cushion or what but within 2 days I resorted to putting a pillow on it, even then it was causing soreness. I'm sending it back sadly, I saw it knocked for it's design but I actually quite liked the simple, light look of it, really didn't want anything crazy, and I didn't find the butt gap to be an issue (as someone who is 6 foot) but man, that cushion is just a dealbreaker.
Weird! Both jonathan and I felt the gap! Everyone unanimously agreed though - the cushion on the Amia chair is superior. If you’re in the USA, check out my review for it. Same price, doesn’t look as cool, but gets the job done for sure! Amia review th-cam.com/video/rrhbt6Ps0Bo/w-d-xo.html If you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Helps the channel a LOT!
As someone who absolutely loves his Aeron for work, I was really hoping they would make "the Aeron of gaming chairs"...but they did not. Seems really disappointing at the price point.
Ohhh I LOVE when people ask. I LOVE these things...I understand why certain groups of people wear shoes in their houses....geni.us/LQifjA Quick review: I wear them in the studio only - no socks in the summer and it wicks all my sweat (and I have mildly sweaty feet) and then I wear socks in the winter and my feet are NEVER cold. Legit, GAMECHANGERS ^full disclosure, the link is an affiliate link. If you purchase, it'll really help this channel!
@@RVDL HAHA I know they're pricey, but I bought them because I really needed workhorses in my studio since I'm moving so much and my floors are uneven in certain places, so really needed something that wouldn't cause me to slip and die. I use them 8+ hours a day and have had them since last winter, so almost a year. Look brand new though!!!
@@Ahnestly Please don’t slip & die, I enjoy your content. I hope you are doing ok, with that mighty apparatus wrapped around your leg and that crutch. Hope you can get rid of those uncomfy looking things sooner than later.
Actually the "lock position and the lean back" is useless at a desk. (The point of a chair is to stand righ - not lean in it) It's a miss conception for most people the only part that is really necessary is the lombard. it's just something that our society never been taught. Naturally you body will lean to a certain degree so you don't feel pain (the why you don't lock the chair) and the second is really simple...security. Even for less than 5.10 i feel the gap in my tail bones, it's better to not compress the tailbone so you body will naturally form the "S" for a better natural position of the spine. (and not having spine compression) What you actually desire is your ass going "back" a little bit and feel the lombard touching the back seat. (and yes, you'll feel the air/cold touching your ass)
Just got this chair no review just a simple short on yt. The chair is def not worth the $1000, but i do like the chair. Def better quality than my amazon chair, just not as glamours as the embody. I see this chair more as an ergo/ gaming style with less features to make it easy for gamers. The seat feels great so far, and head rest is useful. Im 6ft 220, and use this chair for work and gaming. Had it for a week so far, will let more time pass to see how I feel. Hopefully it will have the longevity as their other products.
I can see how its shallow, and where the chair seems small. The back gives just enough support. I also feel like the head rest makes up for it. Keep in mind I never had an expensive chair, so this one is already an upgrade. So i cant really see the short comings yet. I feel like I would need the hours to let things sink in
This is screaming out loud: "You were the chosen one. It was said that you will bring balance for gaming chair shenanigans, not join them!" Quite disappointed with HM just now. The lumbar support is so thin and the headrest plastic straight up horrible from its sound already :(
I just purchased this chair and im waiting for it to ship/arrive but now I'm wondering whether or not I should cancel it and choose a different chair (I've only really looked at the steelcase gesture maybe and I have never owned a HM chair) My current chair is a 2018 Titan Secret Labs chair that was been great for all these years but its sorta old and I was tired of the whole "racing chair" style I wanted something new and fresh and so I purchased this chair without looking into it besides the whole "gamer tilt aspect" because I am a competitive gamer and considering that HM is a highly known high end chair maker, and having 12 year warranty I wanted an upgrade from my 2018 SL chair. Is there another chair you would recommend? I am also around 5'10 and a bit on the bigger side I also saw you mentioned the Steelcase Amia and that looks like a great chair wondering if I should get that instead
Hey donk! It’s going to be hard going from a chair with a headrest to a chair with no headrest! I recommend you also order the Amia and see which you like better and send the one you don’t like back! Both steelcase and HM have excellent free return policies, so take advantage of it!!! If you decide to pick up an Amia, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a lot!!! Let me know how it goes!!!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for the quick reply, if I am being honest I never really lean back on my chair now that I think about it, so I don't think I will miss having a headrest, but I just want something with good quality that'll last a long time and is comfortable for long periods of usage like 6-12hrs usage. the main think I love about the secret labs titan I currently use is the lumbar support. I bought my titan for $400 back in 2018 now prices reach like $600 for new ones, but want to move onto something that will actually feel like an upgrade rather than just be like meh. I could ultimately go for an embody but that is also almost 2x the money, just not sure if thats worth that much more than say a gesture or amia type of chair.
I think you’ll really appreciate any of the 3 chairs, but in terms of build quality, I think you’ll be happier with a gesture or Amia. Hell, order both the gesture and Amia and again, return the 2 you don’t like! Don’t forget to use my links!
@@Ahnestly After watching your vids, I learned about CrandallOffice, I just purchased a Remanufactured Amia, little customization, but now I just saw your Leap v2 one and it made me want to get that since the cushion is much better. I'm sure both will be nice but now I'm wondering their remanu'd Amia Vs Ramanu'd Leap v2
If you’re gonna make a request, you gotta do some homework too and look at my other videos ;) I Tested 8 Different Footrests! th-cam.com/video/aF01U4_gzZ0/w-d-xo.html
Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. I'm seriously considering sending it back already. The more and more I watch videos, from what I can see at least... it doesn't look like much better build quality than the $200 staples hyken I already have, for 5 times the price. My brother has the aeron, and that chair definitely feels premium and quality built. This chair isn't THAT much cheaper, especially considering what a used aeron can be had for. I don't think it's going to meet my expectations for a $1000 chair. I'm also 6'3" so I'm concerned in that regard too. I also have a secret lab titan batman special edition, and while I was always happy with the quality on that chair, it just wasn't comfortable to me. If I spent more than an hour straight in that chair, my lower back would be hurting for days.
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@@Ahnestly Oh for sure I'm going to assemble it and give it a good shot. I am definitely letting the reviews get to me, but it does seem that the general sentiment towards the vantum is rather negative. If it was half the price it probably would be a very different story. My biggest issue with the embody has always been the lack of a headrest... But since I literally just watched one of your other videos and see that one is supposedly coming realatively soon, AND looks to match the chair perfectly... I just may do that. 15% off would certainly help push me over the edge. Unless I can find a good used example nearby! I also am now feeling some sort of obligation towards the Haworth fern, since they share my name. Thanks for the videos man!
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How they thought they could sell this for $1000 puzzles me. The level of fabric quality, seat cushion, back mesh and headrest are all commonly found on chairs < $500
Because unfortunately it's going to be marketed for gamers, who won't bother to check how good the chair actually is. Many streamers are going to be using this chair and that alone will sell the chair
They pulled a Nvidia.
What Chair do you recommend which is compairable to the vantum or better?
@@breaterly Their own chair, Herman Miller Embody. It's $1795
Any recommendations?
Appreciate the honest review, HM really dropped the ball with this one. It's basically a $400-500 chair with a 12 year warranty. Although I'm not sure what exactly would break under warranty that would make it worth the extra cash. Say you need a replacement headrest, what does that cost? $5-10? The lumbar support looks like it would cost about the same as well.
Personally I'm a huge fan of my Steelcase Gesture, I paid $1100 new a couple years ago and it has the same 12 year warranty. It exceeded my expectations for the price
I think HM really blew it with this one... To the point where it changes my perception of the company. I hope they recall these and try to recoup what is left of their luxury and build quality reputation. This chair makes their other chairs seem cheap
More companies are trying to gain a share of the gamer market
IKEA sells gaming chairs and Hayworth just released a gaming edition Fern
That's really ridiculous and NOT at all how reality works. Most who use HM chairs probably won't even know it exists, and nothing else you said makes sense, just because the A-Class Mercedes exists doesn't make the S-Class seem cheap.
@@zicafoos8260 it's true that most companies are trying to gain a share of the gaming chair market. I think the way that HM went about it in this particular case with the vantum was the wrong move. With all the cost cutting. I feel that they should have cut less corners and come out with a slightly more expensive chair that aligns with the quality of the rest of their line up.
@@cenciende9401 I'm sorry you feel that way. In my opinion, it does dent the reputation of the company. Seeing how many corners were cut to save costs on this chair makes me wonder if future iterations of say, the aeron or embody, will have similar corners cut.
@@BD-ox3yq I agree. When I think of HM, I think of expensive but high quality chairs with unique designs.
This one feels like it was created by outsourcing the design and manufacturing. I agree brand reputation does mean something and can suffer if you put out a dud.
Glad I bought the logitech embody on the back of your reviews. After initial experience of really not enjoying it, now I'm used to it and sitting in a proper position, it's crazy comfy! Just awaiting the atlas headrest...
Personally, in the $1000 price range, this chair seems like a total rip off. Seems like HM is just slapping their name on something that they did very little R&D on to take advantage of the gaming community. Going to stick with a quality office chair like the Amia (which is also $300 less). Thanks for the great review!
Amia suck
Tbh, it's not a high end office chair, it's never meant to compete with those calibre of chairs.
Below $1000, the Sayl, Lino and Verus are HM's best offerings.
@@StardustLegacyFighter Agreed, this chair feels more like it's worth maybe $500
@@campitcher8507 I would say $350 max, considering that's the same price range as those IKEA chairs, that have a 10 year warranty.
It's interesting because I went into a Herman Miller store and tried out all of the chairs. I thought the Vantum was extremely comfortable to sit on even more comfortable than the embody actually lol. U make a good point though about the cheap construction. But I think you should have a blind test on this. The Herman Miller Sail did not feel that good to me lol. I am 5ft 8 and 140lb so I guess for skinny average-height guys like me this chair works pretty well.
Here are some of my thoughts on the chairs for just testing them out for a short time in the store.
My thoughts on the Vantum:
- I love back to support its a lot more simple than the embody
- I actually like the mesh on the Vantum and not as stiff as the mesh on the Aeron
- I like the extra cushion for the butt support (for the skinny guys like me that don't have cushion)
- The headrest feels great to lean back on
My thoughts on the Embody:
- I like the back support, but I didn't feel was $2000 dollar great.
- Love the soft fabric
- The butt cushion is too thin.
My thoughts on the Aeron:
- Love the armrest
- a great chair for the office but doesn't feel like a comfy home chair where u can just chill back on.
- I sit on this chair every day in the office so rather get something different
I'm just your average Joe consumer. I think if you guys really want to make a decision on a chair just go to your local Herman Miller store and test them out for yourself. Out of all the chairs I tested the Vantum felt the best, also It looks pretty sexy in my opinion, and it's half the cost of the Embody. Everyone is different and I only tested these chairs for a short time, but I gonna pick this one up. Hope this comment helps someone! Cheers!
Hey by no means was this meant to discourage people from the Vantum. I wanted to be ahnest and give people as much insight as possible. You fit in the "under 5'10" mark and I also noted that the backrest felt good and seat felt supportive, but when you press on a Sayl seat, you'll notice how much better the cushion feels compared to the Vantum's. But things like that don't matter that much when you actually sit on it!
I stopped by my local Herman Miller showroom/store and was flabbergasted by how cheap this chair feels. I'm super happy with my HM Embody chair.
Embody headrest en route?!? Let’s gooooo!!!🎉🎉🎉
There we go!! Someone found it!!!
@@Ahnestly Super excited for this, went on the wait list as soon as I found out.
@@Ahnestly I Sat in my first embody literally like an hour ago. It was perfect except it needed a head rest.😮
Lmao the fact that it broke during the review! I guess you get to review the warranty process as well! Thanks for this! I was considering this chair because I’m too big for other Herman miller chairs, but this seems like it has too many cost cutting measures.
Yeah such a missed opportunity for tall folks!!!
I am 6'3 260 lbs and fit great on the size C Aeron
6'5 280 and both the embody or the size c aeron fits well, prefer the embody though
Hi Dan, I want to say thank you for the quality of your video reviews =)
I've gone over many tuber channels on chair reviews, and yours is the best. The level of detail and depth that you dive into is top-tier.
For example, the seat depth at 6:00. You noted that the arms move together with the seat base, which is a big nono for me. Other Vantum reviewers did not pick up on that.
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Thank god for ahnestly. I was hyped for the review but you saved me potentially blind buying this. I think I might just have to give the embody 1 more try again.
Haha if you don't like the Embody, then that's totally fine! Maybe a Steelcase is more up your alley!
Have you tried the gaming version? They are very similar but not 100% the same. My first high end chair was the Embody, after 8 days I got shoulder pain so I decided to return it because I had a 14 day return window. My next chair was the Steelcase Gesture, the backrest was very different, it wasn't bad but I liked the Embody system more (I feeled the support more). The seat was good for a few hours but after 3-6 hours my butt hurt. So I decided to give the Embody Gaming a try, luckily there was a sale on their website. So after almost 1 year I am happily sitting on it without any shoulder pain or any other pain. At some point I miss the more adjustable arm pads from the Geste and after a long day in the home office the headrest was also good for having to watch a series in the evening. I also tried the Aeron from a dealer, the B size fit almost perfectly but my thighs are a bit too big so they touch the frame on side. Size C was overall too big for me.
Embody armrest for me id a deal breaker, way too far forward, can't level them with the desk and sit close to it.
@@lordbaby100 when I was trialing chairs, I tried the normal and Logitech embody and found the Logitech embody to be really uncomfortable for me. My back would hurt from the extra padding, but the normal embody was amazing and that ended up being the chair that I bought after trying other chairs
@@spartanV48 different chairs for different people
I'm VERY surprised by all the cost cutting and overall quality/result of this chair, it is not what I would expect from HM. When I first saw it announced I thought maybe it could be my next chair in a few years when/if I'm ready to replace my Secret Lab Evo, but with what I'm seeing no way. I mean look at something like my previous chair the Ergohuman, it costs less for full metal construction, a ton of adjustments, lockable tilt of course, fantastic full mesh which I never had an issue with in 8 years etc. Also side note, the first thing I do with any chair is replace the castors with far superior rollerblade style wheels, screw castors!
i started looking in the chair market for an upgrade right when the vantum came out. i knew nothing, but was super hyped for it since it was like the cheapest HM and it was right in my budget. tried it in an authorized dealer and was very dissapointed. but im glad that this chair sent me into a rabbit hole of research and testing because i now ended up with an embody despite it being way more. and i love it
I've had an Embody for 1.5yrs now and would never switch up on this chair. I greatly considered the Vantum when I first saw HM was making a gaming chair but when I looked at it on the site, it instantly looked way too cheaply made compared to their other chairs. The only thing that would improve the Embody for me (in very specific cases like waiting for a match to load or watching a long-ish video) would be a headrest and that's the main thing that made me look at the Vantum anyways lol. Congrats on getting the Embody tho!
@@chodeyboi4754 I absolutely love my embody. the one gripe i have is that this thing is damn noisy. like this seat pan adjustment drives me crazy and sometimes the chair squeaks when i lean back and move at the same time. luckily i was able to crack open the seat pan adjustment handles and lube up some of the mechanims and now it doesnt make a sound.
@kyuro I luckily haven't had that issue so far but I also appreciate the 12 year warranty they have just in case mine does fuck up at some point lol. I researched chairs for ~6 months and talked to alot of people on youtube/IG and what sold me were the users who owned their HM chairs for over a decade and still use them daily. Plus Design Within Reach is 20 mins away from me and I got to sit in them before buying. That was a big reason I didn't order any other brands too.
@@chodeyboi4754 the embody being noisy is a pretty inherent issue. you're lucky yours isnt making tons of noise. my embody is actually my second one (my first one was making tons of noise so i asked for a replacement, got it, and the seat pan started making crazy noise after 3 days). many ADs and HM repair people know of these issues, and tell many people to deal with it or get an Aeron
@kyuro thank goodness then lol. Hopefully mines stays this way and your replacement one is able to go a long time with no issue.
i'm with you on your thoughts about chairs (especially this one) not having tilt lock being a missed opportunity. i think what a lot of companies miss out on is that there's people who both work and game/relax with the same setup and chair! what's needed is the comfort but also the quick features that makes it easier to switch in between work mode and relax mode ie a way to tilt lock to just recline and chill. right now between the office chair companies and gaming chair companies there hasn't been one out that does a good balance of both
While I was waiting for this review, I decided to pull the trigger on remanufactured leapv2 from Crandall for the thicker padding. After this review I feel like I made the right decision plus the chair is way more comfortable then the crappy kitchen chair I had been using for the last couple months after my old cheap racing chair broke
Noice! I LOVE the remanufactured leap!!! Also, Jonathan from the video got to test all my chairs while he was here - all the chairs in my studio are probably over $1,500 each - and he chose the remanufactured leap over all of them! Spread the word (and tell them to please use my link lol!)
Leap v2 is not good enough
@@xboxgamerz22 You said the Embody sucks in another video lol, you just have bad taste.
@@StardustLegacyFighter Probably owns a Chinese racing seat with wheels attached like all the lit gamurs.
Thanks im 6’2” and was considering this chair. Appreciate the time and attention to detail.. I will keep looking!
or hes maybe just jealous hes not tall and talking down on us tall kings
If the Sayle wins over this chair, then that makes the Vantum not my choice, the headrest breaking though, my god! That was scary lol glad you fixed it in the end.
Its still a shock to me that HM jacked the embody up to $1800. I consider myself lucky I got in when it was still *only* $1400. I can say that if I was in the market today I would certainly be considering the Vantum among others. I get what HM is trying to do, I just hope they dont end up diluting their brand and reputation to chase a trend especially when they were selling to gamers anyway before they had a dedicated line.
I disagree. It feels amazing and looks great. I purchased one on the spot due to the price-point. After years of using a steelcase w no neck support, I really appreciate this. The overall adjustability and smooth reclining resistance was simply refined. Try sitting in one and tuning it perfectly. Give it some time.
I've just purchased my first ever desk/computer chair that's not just a no-brand $200-$300 eBay job. Was going to go for the Herman Miller Mirra 2 but then decided on the Steelcase Leap V2 as I think I'll find it a lot more comfortable and it's overall build quality seems a tad touch better. Should arrive in a couple days -- stoked on what it could mean for my lower back issues and general comfort.
Glad I avoided the Vantum. Thanks for the review.
You bring up some valid points. Some of your concerns are less impactful for me but your review is honest. The chair is fine for me but I waited until Black Friday to purchase one and ended up getting this chair for $750
I also picked one up yesterday and am going to give it a good few weeks test run. So far no complaints. I'd have to purposely abuse it to damage it.
The plastic parts are light but overall it doesn't feel cheaply manufactured. I do wonder if the mesh will wear and tear faster than other chairs would.
It works for what I need it for, but its hard to ignore all the comments saying its a $500 chair marked up to $1K. I got it for $750 too.
I was abit concerned about the integrity of your review when you mentioned the affiliate links at the start, but it seems like a very fair and unbias review of the product that rightfully points out flaws in the product. Really nice review! Thanks.
Affiliate links are just a way for him to make some commission, but honestly his entire channel is dedicated to posting unbiased reviews.
Glad to see you got the surgery!
Bummed this chair wasn't better. At 6'7 i was hoping it was about bigger chair that could work for me.
Same!! I was hoping there would be something for my taller friends out there!!
Looking forward to the Embody headrest, Atlas told me my color/fabric will have a very high chance of being available, super excited!
great video thank you! was waiting for it :) I picked the embody new from HM in Germany in May. It had the same price as the Vantum now in Germany - I guess good that I didnt wait. Now Embody is 1.7k
Nice!!!
Was waiting for a review on this one, ended up comforting my choice on buying the Amia this summer, thanks!
woot woot!
@@Ahnestly The Amia looks cumbersome in the undercarriage, which and maybe not as light, to which I passed and got the Vantum. So far its great for my needs, but I can see how if you were rough with it you could damage it
Spent hours in Herman miller. This chair was amazing. I got it for 6 something. Great purchase. You have some valid points. But to me it felt great.
Another solid review and you're right, expectations are high when dropping a grand on a chair. I still stand by my choice for the Steelcase Gesture, which your review helped with. I've had it for almost a year now and it's awesome. For the arm rests alone I don't think I can go back to any standard style rests found on all other chairs.
What a great review. Thank you so much! (I ended up going with the Embody, again)
Nice!
Thank you for the reviews as always! I got to try out this chair at the local Herman Miller store and I thought the headrest height wasn't adjustable lol
I'm glad I'm not the only one!!
Looking forward to the review of the chair in the background. Chair goals right...
Love the channel and appreciate the reviews. The more chairs I see the happier I am with my classic loaded Aeron with Atlas headrest and Amazon rollerblade wheels I cobbled together for cheap!
LOL Dan you went all Shaq on that headrest. And that sniper riffle as a crutch is just OP.
LOL sniper rifle crutch....love it
A really in-depth and practical review!! It helps a lot!
Appreciate the in-depth review. Disappointed with Herman Miller and this chair, I don’t think it’s worth anywhere the asking price based on all info I’ve seen about it.
Been waiting for your post
I expect you to be in a full body cast in the next few videos 🤣 Thanks for the review Dan
LOL
Great vid as always. Makes me glad I got an embody.
Oh Embody Headrest??????
Awwww yeahhhhh
Hey, Not sure if you have this chair laying around but it's the X-Wing MGMT Chair by X-Chair. Can you review it? I see thousands of people review other chairs but no one has done this one. I am 6'2. Thxs
Awesome vid btw. 👍
Damn, every time I tune in, this man’s cast gets bigger and bigger. Soon he’s gonna start a vid in a full on mech suit
ACL injuries are very nasty.
Yup just cancelled my vantum order. Extremely disappointed on Herman Miller's direction with this chair, the entire brand is known for it's quality/reliablity. Thanks for the quick review
I had a very interesting back and forth with the official Steelcase Twitter account via DM.
When I asked them why they mocked the Vantum and yet don't have gaming chairs of their own, they told me that their current chairs are great for gaming.
That's simply not true, because none of the top Steelcase chairs support forward tilt and therefore they would leave the back completely unsupported, when the PC gamer is leaning forward.
I don't have trouble using the Aeron or Mirra 2 for work/gaming.
I was about to buy a HM chair, thinking HM was expensive but high quality. This chair changed my mind. Just bought a different brand yesterday.
I’d say don’t push away Herman Miller just because their new chair isn’t as good as their other ones. Their other chairs like the Aeron/Embody which have been almost the benchmark in office chairs didn’t change
Hell no you're not the only one, my $150 chair has that function of tilt lock. Game changer tbh.
bro i was getting second hand muscle cramp watching you trying to force that headrest down lmao
I wanted to like the chair. With more leisure time being spent at a desk I think there needs to be an option for less work oriented ergonomics. But the vantum misses the mark, it looks like it was built to a very specific cost to be in "best gaming chair" listicles. Maybe HM can take another crack with a "Vantum 2" like they did with the mirra and aeron.
I would like that, but would be tough to escape the price point they set the first one at!
Try chairs in store if u can cuz everybody build different. I went store yesterday(am short fem 5’5) and tried all chairs, this is by far the best for me, downside is the material but can’t blame the comfort. Was originally looking cosm high sadly not a good fit. I agree it may feel a bit small for tall ppl.
to remove the headrest stem thing, there is a hole in the back of the chair body where you can put in a small screwdriver to push the tab so you could pull out the headrest.( you have to push in the screwdriver and pull at the same time)
Ha! Got a midroll ad for this chair.
Definitely does not look like enough chair for the money. Years ago, I was deciding between the Herman Miller Embody chair and the Steelcase Gesture, and ended up buying the Gesture. The Embody chair was nice and all, but had that lower back pinching that some of us seemed to encounter. Compared to this Vantum chair? Spend a little more for a Gesture, which has WAY more features, adjustability, and customizability.
I don’t really understand this chair. If it were half the price I would. But for this money, any ‘gamer’ is probably looking to invest in a high-end office chair to replace their old gaming chair, as several notable streamers have done.
Gaming chairs are meant to be much more affordable while also being less ergonomic as a compromise, with some fun features like a super deep tilt (which I still miss to this day from my old DX Racer) along with cool colors/branding. This thing just seems to be in this weird limbo where you’re getting something that doesn’t seem like a great high-end chair and also lacks the expected fun and affordability of a gaming chair.
Maybe they expected people to pay top dollar for “the premium gaming chair” without realizing that many gamers with 4 digit budgets would just go for something in their office chair lineup anyway. But who knows, just my guess.
I do love HM though, my Aeron is the best chair I’ve ever sat in. Maybe they will make future improvements to the Vantum.
Thanks for the vid!
All the major criticizing points, like no locked leanback, shorter seat depth, are all very important posture health features. Of course it is up to user to choose whether they want comfort or health on these features.
Thank you so much for this review, my old HyperX stealth makes my back/glutes hurt now always when i sit in it. Got it in 2019, and now its time to buy a new one. This review really got good keypoints which made me understand that this aint the chair for me. Now i just need to figure do i go with Sayl or Aeron, im 5”11 and 94 kg. Embody would be great but it quite too expensive to me atm while studying
These are Herman Millers all purpose casters. They come on everything now. You can specificly order non rubberized ones for carpet if you want to.
I just got one for a little less than 700 dollars. Seems like a decent chair, my main complaint is also the head rest, its just cheap and not really great considering the price of the chair and also the cushion scratchy material is not super nice but i mainly bought this chair to help improve my posture.
It legit looks like my chair which cost SGD70, and the rough material you described in the video, sounds like my current chair.
I literally got an Embody X Logitech for less than one of these in their Black Friday sale…30% discount on the Embody X Logitech and 0% discount on this as it’s only just been released. It makes no sense whatsoever, but I’m very happy!!! 😀
"Maybe I'm crazy" is right! Tilt limiter requires no "fidgeting" with the adjustment controls, even less than fixed tilt lock. You only have to set the right tilt tension ONCE - just gentle enough to allow effortless recline, while simultaneously providing a little support for sitting back upright WITHOUT TOUCHING CONTROLS! This is superior to needing to unlock and relock the tilt every time you want to sit up to quickly type/click/grab something. If you need to spend some time in "business mode," you can lock the tilt upright anyway.
Yeah, that's the one part of this video which I didn't agree with.
Everyone knows tilt lock is a cheap and failing mechanism, whilst the superior tilt limiter mechanism is more premium and promotes movement.
Did Herman Miller ask you to remove your Eames lounge video ? Can't find it anymore 🤐
This chair is also really disappointing from Hermann Miller. They went "hey lets do garbage like most gaming chair". Sad from that company.
My Embody is coming in less than 2 weeks tho, still can't wait for it. And for Atlas to release their headrest for it.
I'm not sure why they bothered with the Vantum, if they were going to be cheap on the quality. 🤷♂️
You have still not tested my favorite Herman Miller!? The Mirra 2!! Get to it! 🙂
what are those slippers you're wearing??? I need them!
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Seems like a terrible chair for $1000! Love the honest review! Thanks!
you spelled "ahnest" wrong, but all good ;-) thanks for the kind words!
Would be awesome if you could do a review on the Uplift vert chair. It’s under $500 and seems about the same as this one. Also has like a 15 year warranty.I love it
If this chair had a locking tilt, I would have bought it the moment I saw it was available
My man. Yes.
@ahnestly what chair has the best seat for you comfort wise? I have tailbone pain issues and I need help shortlisting chairs that mainly address this. Thanks!
Ahnestly, I think the best seat for me personally goes to the Embody, but it's like 50/50 people who like the chair. The LEAST offensive chair is the Steelcase Amia. Check out my video on that and I think you'll be SUPER happy. (Also, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a LOT)
That's one expensive Staples chair. 😂
lol ouch!
i think you re-installed the headrest upside down 😂
time to break it again
The reason the headrest doesn’t go down is because you are putting force on the head section which is not going to make the neck go down. Should of stood up so you’re applying the force where it should be applied and you’ll have more leverage.
So the issue I had with that was…how the heck do I know what position the headrest should be in when I’m standing up??? And because it’s so difficult to adjust precisely, it goes down or up multiple notches at once making it much more difficult!
herman miller is so unique they makes office chairs that looks like its for gaming and make a gaming chair that looks like an office chair
Aren't the majority of gaming chairs on the market racing style seats?
Name one chair HM has produced that looks remotely like a "gaming" chair.
They tend to produce aesthetically pleasing chairs that also have form, they're not gimmicky.
@@StardustLegacyFighter never said their chair looks like a "gaming chair" they just dont look like regular office chairs except for vantum. the others are more complex, dynamic, fun vibe like it's made for gaming/leisure etc
So serious question if cost wasn’t a factor what chair would you get for someone 5’9” 260lbs long torso very short legs
I answered that in the video - the HM Embody is the KING for me. Check out my 2 top favorites going head to head here: th-cam.com/video/qtQ1cFeIicY/w-d-xo.html
Please consider using my links if you decide to pick up! Helps the channel a LOT!
what are those shoes youre wearing? (awesome review btw!)
I'm also 5.6" and I've gone through multiple chairs tyring to find a good fit of seat height and depth as well adjustability. What is your recomendation for short people balancing ergonomics and functionality?
What's up with the Herman Miller embody head rest
No clue...
I get it. After the chair brakes, send it back stating too much lag or fault
Thank you for this, boss. I was really hoping this would turn out being alright because I really like the design of it, but I guess I might go with a remanufactured leap v2. Though, I was hoping for a nice chair that would fit me and be mostly mesh
If you still want to get a solid mesh chair, the Aeron is still the best.
Not too sure who this chair is made for in this price range it’s in. Maybe if it was priced at $600 I could understand it but otherwise a very strange release lol. Also I’m 3 months post op ACL surgery, I remember that that brace you have on all too well lol. Good luck on the long journey ahead
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Ugh full recovery feels so far away...still feel the tension in the knee and I'm having an issue where if I fully extend my knee, it really hurts to bend, like the knee plates or something is rubbing against each other. Afraid my knee will never be the same :-( :-(
may i know whats the name of the right one? the brown and black one?
Thanks for the review. Disappointed to see the shortcomings, since HM's description of this chair sounded like what I was looking for.
Which high end chairs would you say fit a similar description? I liked how the Aeron and Vantum both offered forward leaning support, but I didn't like how the Aeron seat is punishing when I try to relax on the chair. I thought the Sayl's backrest was too short (I'm 5'11) and no 3rd party headrests. The Embody seemed to only want you to lean back, but I might just bite the bullet on that anyway.
I've also looked at Steelcase's lineup, but they don't have an AD where I live, so I won't get as good a deal as HM's stuff. And I hear the headrests are terrible.
Everything you said is true. I thought the Vantum would offer forward leaning support, but it didn't have it! I was REALLY surprised they left that out.
If you're in the USA, get Steelcase stuff from Crandall office. HUGE fan of their stuff. Get Steelcase stuff at a discounted rate + 12 year warranty + free return policy = win win. Also, their remanuafctured leap gives more padding, which is amazing
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@@Ahnestly Oof. It doesn't even have that? Sounds like the only thing this has going for it then is that it's a "budget" HM chair that comes with a headrest.
I really like the concept of how this chair handles tilt tension, it sounds like if it were able to go just a bit tighter it would be a game-changer for easy consistent chair adjustment. Otherwise though, yeah, the competition looks a bit too strong for this to be a worthy consideration for someone like me.
There's competition in the gaming chair market?
Unless you're talking about high end office chairs, the gaming chair market is just full of Chinese made racing seats.
Only Interstuhl commands any kind of respect from me, because they design and manufacture their chairs directly in Germany and offer a 10 year warranty.
@@StardustLegacyFighter I am talking about high end office chairs
@@CloudMountainJuror Fair enough, thanks for the clarification. 👍
wellp, kinda strange that HM charing like 1,5k in sweden for this one and 2k for embody. so I probably gonna pick up embody. Great review kinda hoped this gaming chair would be better.
Embody suck
@@xboxgamerz22 Speak for yourself.
hey so whats that chair on the right the wooden one it looks amazing and i would love to buy one
witch gaming chair you this is most comfortable and best to buy it?
I personally wouldn't buy a gaming chair tbh, it's a waste of money.
But if you're really set on getting a racing seat, check out Interstuhl Backforce. They're probably the best gaming chairs I've seen, better than the much overrated Secretlab ones.
Worst price to chair ratio I have ever seen ;) Great video as always Dan!
What would be everyone's recommendation on a suitable chair for gaming? I currently have one of the racing chairs as I got it for Christmas after I built my 1st gaming PC. I need something with back and neck support as I am 6'2.
Not sure what your budget is, but I made a detailed video here: th-cam.com/video/dENnkLM1QB0/w-d-xo.html
Use time stamps to get to the taller section and the price point you're looking to pay!
What are Alternatives for tall people ( 6.4 foot +) that you would recommend?
I use the reclining lock on the Secret Lab more than anything else on the chair. It totally is Business to Leisure, and back again. Super easy, huge feature! Not having this on this chair is a huge pass.
Does the chair pass you shame test? Like does the stench of your shame linger on the chair?
I actually have the Vantum as well and have been using it for a little over a week. Are the plastic seams on your armrests rough? I can feel the seams pretty easily when I run my hands over the fronts and the sides. Wondering if I should reach out to support about it.
Which plastic seems are you referring to?
@@Ahnestly it's the part where the plastic molds come together on the armrest and it wraps around the whole side of the armrest. If you sat in the chair and faced the desk, the seams would be facing the desk and wrap around the top of the armrest. Let me know if that makes sense.
I bought one of these before there were any reviews, while waiting for it to ship this review came out and I was a bit disheartened, it arrives and I try it out and at first I was pleasantly surprised, I like the back a lot, but after a day's worth of sitting it just kills my tailbone, I don't know if it's the firm cushion or what but within 2 days I resorted to putting a pillow on it, even then it was causing soreness.
I'm sending it back sadly, I saw it knocked for it's design but I actually quite liked the simple, light look of it, really didn't want anything crazy, and I didn't find the butt gap to be an issue (as someone who is 6 foot) but man, that cushion is just a dealbreaker.
Weird! Both jonathan and I felt the gap! Everyone unanimously agreed though - the cushion on the Amia chair is superior. If you’re in the USA, check out my review for it. Same price, doesn’t look as cool, but gets the job done for sure!
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As someone who absolutely loves his Aeron for work, I was really hoping they would make "the Aeron of gaming chairs"...but they did not. Seems really disappointing at the price point.
Hi Ahn, what are those shoes your wearing?
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Quick review: I wear them in the studio only - no socks in the summer and it wicks all my sweat (and I have mildly sweaty feet) and then I wear socks in the winter and my feet are NEVER cold. Legit, GAMECHANGERS
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@@Ahnestly Holy Priceless Collection of Etruscan Snoods! Those are frickin $140. They must be indeed gamechangers then!
@@RVDL HAHA I know they're pricey, but I bought them because I really needed workhorses in my studio since I'm moving so much and my floors are uneven in certain places, so really needed something that wouldn't cause me to slip and die. I use them 8+ hours a day and have had them since last winter, so almost a year. Look brand new though!!!
@@Ahnestly Please don’t slip & die, I enjoy your content. I hope you are doing ok, with that mighty apparatus wrapped around your leg and that crutch. Hope you can get rid of those uncomfy looking things sooner than later.
Actually the "lock position and the lean back" is useless at a desk. (The point of a chair is to stand righ - not lean in it)
It's a miss conception for most people the only part that is really necessary is the lombard.
it's just something that our society never been taught.
Naturally you body will lean to a certain degree so you don't feel pain (the why you don't lock the chair) and the second is really simple...security.
Even for less than 5.10 i feel the gap in my tail bones, it's better to not compress the tailbone so you body will naturally form the "S" for a better natural position of the spine. (and not having spine compression)
What you actually desire is your ass going "back" a little bit and feel the lombard touching the back seat. (and yes, you'll feel the air/cold touching your ass)
It's why these chairs come with the more expensive tilt limiter/backstop mechanism, as opposed to the cheaper tilt lock mechanism.
Just got this chair no review just a simple short on yt. The chair is def not worth the $1000, but i do like the chair. Def better quality than my amazon chair, just not as glamours as the embody. I see this chair more as an ergo/ gaming style with less features to make it easy for gamers. The seat feels great so far, and head rest is useful. Im 6ft 220, and use this chair for work and gaming. Had it for a week so far, will let more time pass to see how I feel. Hopefully it will have the longevity as their other products.
So my friend at 5’10 felt the seat pad was too shallow. How does it feel at 6? You feel like you’re getting enoug support on your legs?
I can see how its shallow, and where the chair seems small. The back gives just enough support. I also feel like the head rest makes up for it. Keep in mind I never had an expensive chair, so this one is already an upgrade. So i cant really see the short comings yet. I feel like I would need the hours to let things sink in
I also feel like it supports, but maybe a tad bit longer will help. I just don’t like to have sweaty legs.
I still have my box though, just incase I cant make up my mind
Could you review ROG Destrier Ergo & TGIF T0 as well? Especially RoG one.
I’ve tried ordering the destrier like 7 times and each time, they cancel on me. Not sure if it’s even real at this point lol
First review I’ve watched about it. Can we say it’s at least better then a 15 year old chair from office max or staples?
Relative to that, almost anything I review is better. Is it $1,000 better? I think there are better chairs for the price!
This is screaming out loud: "You were the chosen one. It was said that you will bring balance for gaming chair shenanigans, not join them!" Quite disappointed with HM just now. The lumbar support is so thin and the headrest plastic straight up horrible from its sound already :(
Hahaha I like the way you put that.
Those are carpet castors, since I have them, I'm using them on hard floor and they seem to work fine.
They work on hard floor, but they slide around a lot more than they should.
I just purchased this chair and im waiting for it to ship/arrive but now I'm wondering whether or not I should cancel it and choose a different chair (I've only really looked at the steelcase gesture maybe and I have never owned a HM chair) My current chair is a 2018 Titan Secret Labs chair that was been great for all these years but its sorta old and I was tired of the whole "racing chair" style I wanted something new and fresh and so I purchased this chair without looking into it besides the whole "gamer tilt aspect" because I am a competitive gamer and considering that HM is a highly known high end chair maker, and having 12 year warranty I wanted an upgrade from my 2018 SL chair. Is there another chair you would recommend? I am also around 5'10 and a bit on the bigger side I also saw you mentioned the Steelcase Amia and that looks like a great chair wondering if I should get that instead
Hey donk! It’s going to be hard going from a chair with a headrest to a chair with no headrest! I recommend you also order the Amia and see which you like better and send the one you don’t like back! Both steelcase and HM have excellent free return policies, so take advantage of it!!! If you decide to pick up an Amia, please consider using my links. Helps the channel a lot!!! Let me know how it goes!!!
@@Ahnestly Thanks for the quick reply, if I am being honest I never really lean back on my chair now that I think about it, so I don't think I will miss having a headrest, but I just want something with good quality that'll last a long time and is comfortable for long periods of usage like 6-12hrs usage. the main think I love about the secret labs titan I currently use is the lumbar support. I bought my titan for $400 back in 2018 now prices reach like $600 for new ones, but want to move onto something that will actually feel like an upgrade rather than just be like meh. I could ultimately go for an embody but that is also almost 2x the money, just not sure if thats worth that much more than say a gesture or amia type of chair.
I think you’ll really appreciate any of the 3 chairs, but in terms of build quality, I think you’ll be happier with a gesture or Amia. Hell, order both the gesture and Amia and again, return the 2 you don’t like! Don’t forget to use my links!
@@Ahnestly After watching your vids, I learned about CrandallOffice, I just purchased a Remanufactured Amia, little customization, but now I just saw your Leap v2 one and it made me want to get that since the cushion is much better. I'm sure both will be nice but now I'm wondering their remanu'd Amia Vs Ramanu'd Leap v2
that footrest you got 03:05 in the video. can you do reviws on stuff like that ?
If you’re gonna make a request, you gotta do some homework too and look at my other videos ;)
I Tested 8 Different Footrests!
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Mine is supposed to be here tomorrow. I'm seriously considering sending it back already. The more and more I watch videos, from what I can see at least... it doesn't look like much better build quality than the $200 staples hyken I already have, for 5 times the price. My brother has the aeron, and that chair definitely feels premium and quality built. This chair isn't THAT much cheaper, especially considering what a used aeron can be had for. I don't think it's going to meet my expectations for a $1000 chair. I'm also 6'3" so I'm concerned in that regard too. I also have a secret lab titan batman special edition, and while I was always happy with the quality on that chair, it just wasn't comfortable to me. If I spent more than an hour straight in that chair, my lower back would be hurting for days.
Hey! So don’t let the reviews get to ya. Try it objectively and if it doesn’t work, then it doesn’t work! And you can return for free! A heads up - Herman miller is doing a 15% off sale started November 3, so you could get an embody then? Hahaha if you decide to pick up, please consider using my links! Really helps this channel!!!
@@Ahnestly Oh for sure I'm going to assemble it and give it a good shot. I am definitely letting the reviews get to me, but it does seem that the general sentiment towards the vantum is rather negative. If it was half the price it probably would be a very different story. My biggest issue with the embody has always been the lack of a headrest... But since I literally just watched one of your other videos and see that one is supposedly coming realatively soon, AND looks to match the chair perfectly... I just may do that. 15% off would certainly help push me over the edge. Unless I can find a good used example nearby! I also am now feeling some sort of obligation towards the Haworth fern, since they share my name. Thanks for the videos man!