The Orania Idea is brilliant something that we can all learn from but for those whose saying it's not racist it is. I don't see the people of Orania allowing 5000 blacks even if they highly qualified to be one of them. This will always be wrong, we can't have a world where different cultures and race do not interact with one another. This is where your future Hitlers, your future apartheid Boys, future colonizers, your future racists are born.
What you said is just useless conspiracy theories. The are people in the world who are not mixed with other races,it's only an issue when white people are not mixed..Many people in Africa, asia and arab countries and including in SA itself are living in their own spaces and no one make a fuss about that, it's problem only when white people do it, and I'm not even white.
Look at all the "diversity of cultures" that many western countries in Europe and US have, what good has come outof it? None!You have racial tensions, animosity and hate in those countries. People of same race who share same culture and beliefs result in more healthy and peaceful communities than what we see in western countries. Anti white racism is on the rise and is a norm as result of the cultures you said must be mixed. Your views are not based on reality, and white people living on their own not bothering others I don't know how is that a bad thing, wether it's racist or not..
@@makeafricagreatagain04 you want autonomy fot African Americans and its a good thing but it's bad when white people in same situation as you in US do it? You contradict your self though.
@@mabhodlelajj1195 you need to understand it takes time for different cultures to come together the more u divert from it it stays stagnant. We animals, we adapt to our environments. You looking at western countries forgetting those who were apart of all these racial hate crimes still live among us. That's y u will have Racial tension and all the other shit u listed. Look at kids they all get along because they not intoxicated by the old ways until they are and u see the division begin to occur. Your vision is short sighted @mabhodlelajj1195.
This place is known because of "white." The most interesting thing about it: people moved to remote desert and built the life they wanted instead of crying, complaining, being miserable about government. They planning, government, ability to foresee and tackle difficulties are amazing too.
Keep in mind blacks in the US have tried many times to make their own separate society. If never works because they do not do the labor and I am sorry but they don't have the intellect for self sustainability without donations online etc. You look at Liberia, a colony of blacks given by the US after the Civil War so blacks could have their own land and laws. The first thing they did was use white technology via guns and ammo to enslave the neighboring tribes, after which they sold the metal and iron and everything else for food, Instead of growing their own food. They where given everything including food, guns, ammo, animals for breeding and built houses. They took this and enslaved their own people, sold everything for food instead of growing food, and now they eat literal LITERAL mudcookies and eat off the good nature of foreign aid. There is more at play here than just "apartheid" or slavery. This is at a genetic level.
Orania is how the whole country should be run. Its not even the colour of the skin, its the character of the people, who happen to be white, that makes it an amazing place.
As a black South African it's genuinely inspiring how much autonomy and quality of life you can achieve when you stop sucking the governments teet and do it yourself. Capitalizing on the autonomy is our greatest advantage
💯👏🏾 exactly! If anything, Orania and the other similar places should be an eye opening inspiration for those who cannot already see that we don't need government to live and thrive. We are more than capable of doing better for ourselves
💯👏🏾 exactly! If anything, Orania and the other similar places should be an eye opening inspiration for those who cannot already see that we don't need government to live and thrive. We are more than capable of doing better for ourselves
USA and Britain control how money is made and moves in South Africa .who do you think is the middle man to all that ,its your so called funders of Oriana ...Sometimes i think we Africans mainly South Africa are too ignorant too see the truth . we need to research more than we talk.
My guy these people had everything from apartheid they don’t deserve honor. If you can start your city from scratch without privileges of apartheid and favoritism then I can honor you. Relaying on the government is not only for blacks but its the world system no one can break loose from it. Even Orania.
The Orania people are extremely intelligent& of course hardworking to obviously become SELF sufficient. Clean, orderly, harmonious , safe streets, low or no crime , good education , even have their own money! A model to copy for those that whine about Orania.
@@VampIce22 that only allows Whites but still banks off South African government 😂😂😂 they should have also created their own currency got anoty reserve currency to back them up etc I wonder if the rest of South Africa does the same and says no whites allowed in will the same reaction still be given
@shelbybrown8312 More than ninety percent of Afrikaners live in the broader South Africa 🇿🇦 making contributions , speaking many languages including afrikaans, attending cultural events and promoting multiculturalism. They have utterly rejected the Orania policy of apartheid enforced by the old neo nazi afrikaner regime of yesteryear. These majority afrikaners don't fall for the ideal of preserving apartheid under the guise of " culture" - it's clearly utter tosh. These two thousand residents of Orania are simply white supremacists and have been drawn of the residual old neo nazis of the Hendrik Verwoerd father of apartheid outfit. Afrikaans, a creole language is pretty and is the newest language on the planet and will be preserved but NOT by these misguided almost criminal acts of UDI etc ( unilateral declaration of Independence ) by such misguided neo cons. UDI was tried by the old Rhodesia and failed. It will fail here again. G'day 🇦🇺 🪃. :) 😀
It’s racist by definition, they don’t allow any blacks, not even highly educated non violent blacks, so the safety comment doesnt make sense, they can allow safe black people
Great insights. There is a huge misconception out there that Orania is a racist community where white people can go and live. Nothing can be further from the truth. I am as white as the driven snow and grew up during the apartheid era, am a paying member of the "Orania Beweging", yet I CANNOT live there. For the simple reason that I am agnostic. Religion is one of their pillars and I have absolutely no issue with that. I support them not because they are white or Christian but because I believe that what they are doing is done with respect and is sustainable. Well done Orania and well done @Make Africa Great Again.
I respect your opinion but you seem to be very selective in what you read and understand. As I mentioned, I am not allowed to stay there because of my religious beliefs (or lack thereof) and not because of the color of my skin. Sure you can argue that their rules are cleverly crafted to exclude certain segments of society but I believe it is done not merely to exclude but to ensure growth and stability. The white Afrikaner is traditionally a Christian and it is very rare to find them engaging in 'destructive' behavior such as striking and violent demonstrations. This means that they solve the issue from the place where the issue exists. They do not break down first in the hopes of rebuilding at enormous cost. And while they may not acknowledge it I believe this is the crux of their 'selection' process.
This was a fascinating video, so thanks for taking the time to put it together, and also thanks for the time commitment in visiting the community (which is pretty much in the middle of nowhere). At the end of the day, the South African constitution guarantees the right to self determination. So I do not really have a problem with the Afrikaner minority group establishing their own settlement. Furthermore, they basically just want to be left alone, which I do not consider an unreasonable request either.
The way you write, you must either be a government employee, socialist or university student (all basically of the same mindset)! How is the Nanny State BTW? @@redmatters9318
I find it interesting when watching videos about Orania that black South Africans are generally fairly positive about it in the comments. I really wish some of the black ethnic groups can also start establishing successful, independent communities like this. With the ZA government failing the people of the country, I think this is the future of the country. BTW, I am an Afrikaner myself. I’m not sure I’d want to live in Orania myself as I like experiencing different cultures (I’ve been living in Asia for 10+ years), but I have a lot of respect for these people taking matters into their own hands and not waiting for handouts
One thing I'm getting from this is everyone works. Everyone contributes & that gives them a vested interest in keeping Orania prosperous & safe. They don't live there then drive to a different city to work, their effort directly builds Orania. Lovely 😍
Orania is a model case study for a community development process. The community took one step at a time to continue a journey of many miles. From the small beginnings it was able to build the impossible.The dynamics describing this community are characterised by a principle of absolute advantage and less of greed and power mongrel. Everyone within the community has become a contributing source towards the good of the community.
@@Jblah If they were able to create a safe and sustainable community for them why can't black Africans do the same. Orania is indeed a good case study for that.
Sounds much how Pircairn Island started and see where they went...down the gurgle. They're down to I think some 12 people. In order to survive Pitcairn Commnity council is willing to pay people to settle . This is the way Orania will go if it does not open up to multiculturalism. THEYVE managed to muster up some 2000 odd remnants of the old afrikaner neo nazi regime of yesteryear . Over how many years PRATTLE and tell?. Clearly the decent afrikaners living g in the broader South Africa 🇿🇦 have rejected them .About 99 per cent of civilised countries have rejected them..Sad for them but true. There is no place for these rascists and anti semitism in the workd today. Report from Australia 🇦🇺. G'day.l
Whites built SA after a very very long time of studying African tribes and their hunting grounds, territory, and migration routes Whites built Rhodesia/south Africa in a place blacks didn't even live, hunt, migrate, or explore. It was not until after SA/Rhodesia was created that the Bantu tribe found the white people and then moved into their land. The Whites were invaded, falsely labeled as apartheid, falsely labeled as colonizers, and then Whites still allowed blacks in. Now SA/Formerly Rhodesia is a joke of a nation, corrupt, poor, and impoverished under black stolen control. Stop listening to lies, you did not steal their land. You where the pioneers and natives they didn't even live their until white Africans built the land. Wake. Up.
Thank u for the vid brother Orania is definitely a heaven I can stay that side Those boere are protecting their livelihoods ain't racist SA is slowly becoming like Zimbabwe We are poor but we still wanna help our poor africans
The whole South Africa can be like that...independent and economical strong...if we can just stop using the past to destroy the future...together we stand...devide we fall ..
@@TheAvira123I disagree, it would be absolutely possible if everyone decided to govern and sustain themselves, it's not about brain, it's about heart, unfortunately i doubt the government would allow everyone to just decide that they want to do this, they want everyone to be dependent on them and letting crime get out of hand and the justice system fail and have everything done for them is a big part of that. I think Oranieërs are very fortunate to have a place that sifts through everyone and mitigate the risk of letting criminals into the community and provide the community an opportunity to become self-sustaining, to work hard for what you want and if you approach this with an open mind and willingness to work hard, you can achieve anything you work towards
I think that Joost is an excellent host and a tremendous source of knowledge. Whilst the town is unfairly perceived as racist it is actually the neo racism that has forced the Afrikaners to consider their own homeland and it is working. Attacking a language that is spoken many non-white South Africans is hideous, however it has resulted in the creations of towns such as Orania which juxtaposes everything that the ANC lead Government has looted, destroyed, robbed, broken, run into the ground...it is a blueprint for those seeking refuge from the daily noise of anti-whitism, corruption, lies, deceit, theft, crime, grime, non-service delivery, poverty, inequality, filthy water when its running...I unfortunately would not be able to live there too, however I salute Orania in what it has accomplished
Always remember that thousands of Afrikaners were being murdered anywhere (especially in farms) and are getting kicked out of communities, that is why their solution is to stick together, built a community for themselves, and to preserve their identity.
'Killed anywhere'? Do not lie, they were only murdered on their farms. 😅 Anywho, what about the massacres that swept away black lives in the duration of that vile white supremacy system of Apartheid? That number is more than that of those white lives taken that whites keep lamenting and sobbing over as if their deaths were more heinous than Apartheid itself.
@@worldchampions4379 so tel us Champion....how many FARMS WERE BURNED DOWN BY ENGLISH IN ANGLO BOER WAR? HOW MANY CHILDREN AND WOMAN PUT IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS? HOW MANY BOER MEN SHIPPED TO ST HELENA CAMP? YOU KNOW WE CAN READ AND WRITE AND RECORD HISTORY, BUT COMMIES CAN LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.....
Orania community don't bother anyone...they live their lives. I wish I can create my own orania especial that we have stay in the dark for hours due loadshedding. Big up boer community
I would not be welcome there either... I'm English speaking and an atheist. That's okay... people can do what they like on private land. I'm also not welcome in, say a Xhosa kraal in the Transkei... I'm absolutely fine with that too. South African labour is and has never been "cheap". It's expensive because it is very unproductive. Even given our collapsing currency value (which should make our products competitive), you cannot open a factory in this country and compete with other countries because our labour component will price you out of the market. Zimbabweans are employed in SA because they're extremely hard working and very easy to get along with.
There is a very specific narrative that is told and believed about my people. I do not live in Orania myself, but I have heard about what's happening there. As an Afrikaaner my heart sinks a little every time I click on a video like this. That is because whenever someone from another country makes a video about my people, there's always this sense of "so this is what's up with 'these people' but because way back when..." insert whatever justification you need. At least, I apparently have a knack for only finding videos like that. So I would like to thank you. Thank you for being genuine in your delivery of this content. Thank you for being willing to listen to what the people in Orania have to say. Thank you for not creating a narrative for them but allowing them to speak for and explain themselves. Thank you for not simply labeling them as racists and putting them down, but even finding something good there and being willing to share the positive side of this with the world. Some of the ire directed at my people has been earned. A lot, has not. We are a people struggling to move forward from a volatile past. Thank you for showing and sharing in this side of us. I hope you enjoyed your time in my country!
You did a great job of listening and understanding the idea of the town, rather than being offended by it. Well done. I hope you can achieve something similar for your own people in the US
These Oranians had their original town taken because of the infrastructure started over from dirt now their original city has been run into the dirt and guess who’s knocking on the door again.
@@FREAKY_SPIDER He's saying their first city was stolen from them, so they started anew in the middle of a desert. Now, the first city is in ruins by the new residents, so they want to take the second city as well.
It just shows you what you can accomplish when you take accountability and responsibility for your own neighborhoods. The black communities I have literally destroy themselves.
I just wish that all these journalists that visit Orania and publish their articles in the media would stop with the "Whites only town" nonsense. Orania is an Afrikaner/Boer nation cultural community. That's it! Please stop with the clickbait.
So seeing how South Africa is majority black and if they took on the same morals as Orania that would mean every white person would be kicked out of South Africa right.....🤔
@@makeafricagreatagain04 I'm a white South African and I agree with you! FYI: my significant other is a human rights activist. While I applaud the goals and values of Orania IN THEORY, it does not work IN PRACTICE. And Orania is not REALLY self sufficient and they ARE racist, whether they want to admit it or not. I'm appalled that the guy named Joost keeps saying that "Apartheid was/is not sustainable" but says nothing about the horrific crime against humanity that it was! The very first example of them not really being self sufficient is shown at the beginning of the video: they rely on a black courier to deliver packages from the outside world for them. How is that being 100% self sufficient? "No man is an island." The only way that South Africa can prosper is if we all put our differences aside and come together to work towards one goal. Unfortunately human nature means that there will always be divisions, whether it's racial, cultural or something else. By the way, I'm an atheist, so I immediately fail one of the entry tests of Orania; something for which I'm grateful, as I have no desire to associate myself with such a racist town. I do agree that the MODEL of the town can be applied on local levels in certain areas, but you cannot rule South Africa with Orania's ACTUAL principle/value which they don't say out loud, i.e. "separate, but equal", which was exactly the slogan for segregation and Apartheid.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer You are so deluded by ideology that you see something working right in front of your eyes and yet you still claim "it does not work in practice". Stop looking at the world through a racial lens.
Orania is a good example of how communities should govern themselves. No faceless nameless corrupt bureaucrat 1000km away but someone you see and talk to everyday. Pragmatic, community based and self sufficient. Well done orania!
Not true,as EU is ruling Europe they try to make even flying your own flag racist and try to destroy our personal history& culture to say if you love your own country or culture you are racist!
@@iy4563 shut up with your bible verses. You don't even know who wrote that garbage. Free society is tired of you self-appointed representatives of the invisible sky father dictating to us what is right and what is wrong. You have no damn clue.
@@worldchampions4379 Don't answer these comments their intentions is to create a reaction by saying something ridiculous. Don't buy into it just ignore
@@worldchampions4379 Nah, the real crime is being upset at those that want to live independently & keep their families/people/heritage/culture safe from criminal hordes of low IQ zero impulse control primitive subhuman savages.
I appreciate that you guys gave Joost time to explain and having a truthful and honest communication with him and asking questions that didn't sound demeaning or insincere. You guys caught some beautiful scenery on camera. Those thunder clouds😲 A shame the wind blew so hard though.
@@kuwa333 The town is providing a different model of governance, not out of racism but for self reliance and working with the community. With culture, religion and identity at it's centre.
G-d bless Orania and it´s beautiful Afrikaan people. I am black myself and I fully love, respect, support, impressed, and very grateful for your contribution. It is inspiring to see a minority so resilient, resourceful, and industrious. The world has a lot to learn from Orania. Five stars, high five, two thumbs up... This definitely gave me hope in humanity. xxx
Forgiveness for real or perceived transgressions is a prerequisite to being forgiven. I’m encouraged that so many of my black countrymen are complimentary of this initiative.
Kudos to you guys to actually go and investigate and find the truth for yourselves. And you were highly respectful throughout the tour. Thanks and much respect to you.
In conclusion a small tiny town run by afrikaaners without funds or help from the government of South Africa is more prosperous, crime free, clean and free than the entire country of SA? I learnt about this town thank to my Zimbabwean friend who said that Orania goes against Africa's principles. Now I'm confused, the heck is he talking about he is not even South African and secondly, having a prosperous, crime free, clean and free society goes against Africa? I'm done
I was 15 when apartheid ended in 1995..ive been living under anc rule and im under the affirmative action from government , black people get chosen for work over white people...i had no privilage from the apartheid government..im 42 now and all i have seen is the one colapse after the other from government..eskom, transnet,saa..had to make and find my own way to earn money..our unemployment is over 46percent..yet they hate me and im a oppresor and still get punished for apartheid..please keep on observing for yourself and making your own conclussions because theres a lot of propoganda and loud noise from polotical parties but the truth is very diffrent..most white people are suffering
The last person who should talk is a Zimbabwean. Zimbabwe used to be a great country, when it was Rhodesia. Then came the dictator Mugabe, as is typical of black governments, he destroyed the country and enriched himself. Where did the Zimbabweans run to? South Africa.
I’m a white Zimbabwean. Black Zimbabweans just don’t know what they don’t know. They will not hear. They are responsible for the mess they’re in. I personally witnessed how they destroyed their country out of spite and ignorance.
@@tsaki_titan You got South Africa now, pulled it through your arses very successfully too. Orania consists of 800 hectares of soil that Professor Carel Boshoff bought from the government. Surely if they bought it then they can do on it as they please. In 1652 when the Futch came here to SA, the only people they found living here were the Khoi and San. You all came from Noth Africa and also almost a 100 years after the first Europeans landed here by sail ships. Yes the actually crossed the seas on sail ships, black people today still can't cross a river on a rubber dinghy without drowning. Stop believing the communist propaganda that has been spoonfed to you and do some proper recearch and start thinking for yourself please. If this country really belonged to the black man then why are you all so eager to destroy it???? Where is your sense of pride and howcome everything is falling apart under your rule???
I noticed that white colonies Like the menonitas their European German and Dutch they move to South America they get land from the government and they don't mix with the locals . But they use up resources from the land somebody said in Colombia they were wiping out Rainforest for the wood. Why do they move to poor regions around the globe If Europe is so better according to White Europeans?! .
Have to strongly disagree! I did not once see any evidence in the video for your allegation. No need for all the hate to a people simply running their own lives and making a success of it.
Because our black brothers & our government dnt have the know how to run something like this that works... And then while our country is crumbling arnd us, they are still voting & trusting in the Anc whose promises are a joke. The fall of South Africa started when apartheid was supposed to have ended.. Our beautiful country is done when bee & the Anc came into power. As simple as that 😊
@@nelisiwegwebu3759 I'm a white South African and I agree with you. While the values and principles of self sufficiency are admirable, it does not take away the fact that they are racist.
This is the only area that is really working in SA. Every other area, state company and practically everything else is messed up. Prior to 1994 everything was working perfectly. Under ANC rule a perfect working state deparment failed. This is not about skin colour but about culture. These Afrikaaners have a culture of hard work, discipline, peace, responsibility. Unfortunately we cannot say this about al the cultures in SA. So if there are any other persons with a non white skin colour but are willing to adopt the culture of the Afrikaaner, they are welcome. This is not racism. There are black people who are icon afrikaans singers that speaks afrikaans just as well as any white afrikaaner and I see them as black Afrikaaners. They are welcome but they are not interested to move to Orania. You apply and you can be turned down even as a white afrikaaner. You behave yourself there. So why do other cultures also not start their own Orania.I am an Afrikaaner and is not part of the Orania movement, but please do not believe the propaganda that Orania is a racist town. It is a well functional town.
@@skhontuli2700 turn the hole of south africa into orania!!!remember anc slogan.." the people shall govern"...theres none to fuckall of that under anc administration...orania is the perfect example of how a people shall govern.
They aren’t interested in moving there as they don’t like their culture. They just are jealous that “ they” can’t create this so want it destroyed. It’s THAT simple.
Thank you so much for uploading. I haven't been there since 2019, and as always, I can see things didn't stand still. A whole new block of houses popped up. Thanks for the positive review you've given, and I hope the visit was useful to you.
I love the concept of Orania. I think their success is living in a community where everyone believes in the same thing. I don't know why Africans think just because we are brown skinned, speak the same language, have similar cultural practices it automatically means we belive in the same thing. In my opinion African cultures are too broad and diverse that it becomes hard to believe in one thing unless we are willing to change what culture means. Their vetting process makes sure that even if you're white - it is a pre-requisite for you to be aligned with their beliefs and way of living.
Completly true but it's more than a shared culture that is part of the recepie, the culture beeing shared is also important. If for ex people belife theft is acceptable or excusable, you can't get the same results. This comunity is the product of a Christian faith inside a homogenous group with similar values and no racial aspect to drive the comunity apart.
...just improve the quality of your own community wherever you're. Stop this jealousy of seeing negatives in people who doesn't need you to succeed in life.
I get the idea that as long as you embrace the Afrikaner culture, the color of your skin will never matter, and you are welcome. Sort of makes sense to me.
II have just done some further research, and from what I have come across is that Afrikaans as a language and as a culture mostly emanated from a region/farm/missionary called Dal Josafat between Wellington and Paarl. They were apparently mostly the offspring of Afrikaner farmers and their servants, who were originally imported from eastern countries. There are apparently many words in Afrikaans that came directly from eastern languages. The one I picked up on is Bobotie, because that is now such a traditional dish in SA, not to mention that it is yummy and one of my favorites.
@@rykson161 No one is overthrowing anything, the Afrikaner community is too small and no one will vote for them due to the whole history. Even if people voted for them, the world won't accept racial based movements or laws. I can guarantee you if a white politician in South Africa makes some small racial remark or mistake, there will be blood on the streets. Unlike how no one riots when ANC provides us terrible service... No Afrikaans/white person can even fight back the government, I was born a few years past apartheid as a white man. I have no concept of what even has been done or what the country even looked like in its prime. I just grew up in a developing town, in a household, where my dad had to work through poverty 12h - 16h a day and sometimes through weekends, just so I could see a future. Even after hard work getting 70%+ average on my subjects, for some reason I couldn't get into UCT. So I went to CPUT instead. I had to study through riots, people disrespecting lecturers regardless of race and them burning an e-center across the street where I lived. I tried my best not to fail a single year, because I couldn't afford it. Even after studying, trying to get a job was hard because of BBBEE, it gets very competitive when there are only a certain amount of available positions. Which is why I can't play around or complain, only do my best and learn as much as I can. So I joined a startup company to learn how to build my own company/NPO. With my boss I had to learn how to build and helped build that startup from the ground up. It went from 5 people to 50 in 5 years. I'm very grateful for that experience. All I know is, best thing the Afrikaners can do, is do what they have always done, take things as it comes and build yourself out of a bad situation. I can't do or say anything about what some other random old white people did, but at the same time I grew up here, this is my home.
@@mukeloncube race based laws (being more than during apartheid) , Afrikaans youth can't get jobs , clear attack on Afrikaans schools language and culture , potential land expropriation , political leaders calling for the killing of boers , farm attacks and lack of stopping them or calling them hate crimes , the list goes on...
Thank you for this video from an outsider's point of view. These details as so eloquently given by Joost, made more sense than what is put out about Orania. No division, no one is better than the other, helping each other grow, following basic rules etc really makes the world seem crazier than what they are. A little peaceful haven... Isn't this how it should be?! Governments think they own the lands and people and forget that they are put there for service and the wellbeing of the people that put them there. There should be no poverty, no crime, equality, people helping each other in any way of contribution and just stick to any rules that's to the benefit of everyone. My first language is Afrikaans and it is true that it's dying out, most young afrikaans speaking parents are speaking english to their kids and you end up for your kids speaking broken afrikaans... I am one that's guilty of that 🙄
There are plenty such areas around South Africa. Orania is successful because they brought in industrious and better educated Afrikaaners. There are plenty of homeless and dysfunctional Afrikaners in Pretoria and Johannesburg. The only thing that sets them apart is they vet according to culture and race instead of wealth.
That's the smart way to vet. By veting race you eliminate all acusations of race discrimination and all the race huslers that usualy devide society, by culture you ensure people with similar positive values. By removing criminals, thiefs etc, you ensure that element doesn't thive there and you can have security. Security and shared values are a prerequisite to financial prosperity.
You are correct about there being homeless and dysfunctional Afrikaners elsewhere in South Africa which only proves that you're wrong about race having anything to do with Orania's success. Cultural values are what matters and race is as irrelevant to society as the length of Ramaphosa's toe nails.
You see, you hit the nail on the head! I think the worlds biggest downfall has been trying to mix cultures, religions, race etc. Being with your own kind is the way to live a peaceful happy life, and EVERYONE deserves to have a place on earth with their own people. It’s not racist to say this or think this.
I am a white south african living in a black community...can I do it any longer? I do not wish to anymore..I now understand why we had apartheid...it was initially my thought that the 30years past apartheid would change their standard of living and change their mind sets...I'm pretty much very disappointed. To try and explain how they are and what they do is impossible as their is no space available...would I live in orania? Also no...I personally believe this earth is hell itself..exactly as Jesus describes it😂
I see Orania like the Amish communities, they are protecting a cultural identity with a common ancestry, traditions, language, and religion. Yes, the Amish are white, they of German descent, but to describe them as a whites only community in a racist sense is absurd.
@@david-arthur8166 how do you know Angie Lewis is different from them? I know plenty white Brits who are about nationalism, identity and culture preservation and who want to keep others away from them and some who are very racist. Like some of the ones who voted for Brexit, for example.
Interesting comments so far thanks for voicing your thoughts. Orania has its negatives and it's positives. I'm looking forward to discuss in the follow up video.
Well that's a lesson for a lot of us. Since the pandemic I think a lot of people are becoming more or less aware of self sufficiency. I'm envious a little. Small community with people like you.
It's not a racist town . It's simply a functional town with no corruption and crime. Yes it's just white but you get black towns also like Khaylitsha , Langa , Soweto. Just because white people also start there own town or community it's not racist
Shut your trap for you don't know what you're talking about. If really you're German, as your nom de plume suggests, please stay in your lane. For your info, there's a difference between a town and a township in South Africa. Also, it's not like those came into being because residents there liked it and wanted to, they were "forced" to be there.
@@BossPamire You are seriously wrong in thinking that that was their choice. That was the option they were left with. They all just chose to be positive, hard working, dilligent and true to the ideals and ambitions. The have vision and purpose, it makes all the difference in a person's life. You should try it.
@@BossPamire I'm a white South African and I agree with you! It's almost impossible to escape township life unless you're given the means to do it. The people in Orania had the means to start their own settlement. Township people don't have the means to do that. Some people really are delusional about how real life works.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer Do you even know how Orania came about? Orania is a work in progress for over 30 years already. Not everyone that are living there right now had the means to buy property there, some of them arrived with nothing more than a checkers bag containing all their earthly possessions BUT they were willing to work hard in order to escape poverty instead of constantly whining about what they don't have. They had vision an of course the people already living in Orania were willing to help them. The fact remains that they started out humbly, not asking anyone for freebies and they are still an independent people basking in the evidence of their determination, willpower, tenacious temerity and NOW jealous individuals are attempting taking all of that away from them. My question is: WHY??? Why can they not live on their own? Why can they not be left alone? Why are they a threat to the rest of South Africa?
Basically if everyone sorts out their lives at a community level the country will be a success. I love the way politicians don’t take a salary and they don’t out source to cheap labour. As a white English speaking South African I think the country would be a better success if African elders had more responsibility. Nelson Mandela was after all the son of a chief and it shows in his grace and ethics. The current way seems to buy people off…
Orania is being built by one of the hardest working people of SA, the Afrikaners. I admire the work ethic of die boere. I wish some of it could rub off onto my people. There's a lot of bad that happened in the past in the country, but if you look at how the present is, and how the future is most likely to be, we would put aside a lot of what divides our country.
Good Question I have mixed emotions after living in South Africa and seeing how the government isn't looking out for their citizens but in retrospect I don't necessarily agree about how they are going about it! However, we have gathered a lot of positive information that can be useful for the African Race.
@@lupen0076 Its quite clear Orania is based on preserving an attacked culture & religion so its quite specific to the people who wants to live there & not based on race. The world only sees race until you listen & understand their goals & way of living. Like the example provided if an African American community is build based on their history, culture, traditions etc & a white German man walks in saying he is African American he won't be taken seriously for obvious reasons. Once you understand the government's & other big political party's (EFF) open hate & attacks towards the minority Afrikaner culture & Christianity then you'll understand why it HAS to be preserved. To make things worse, our government (ANC) is also sold out to the m@sonic n3w world 0rder puppets, so you see them pushing the same tyrannical agendas deceiving & collapsing many countries today as well as full on attack on Christianity & the family construct. Luckily the ANC with their uselessness are terrible at implementing anything thus for the most part the agenda is moving slow, hence why they're shifting to collapse the country and force a default like many third world nations. It's all about control & looting of our natural resources. Order out of chaos / Divide to conquer.
Have to strongly disagree! I did not once see any evidence in the video for your allegation. No need for all the hate to a people simply running their own lives and making a success of it.
@@LibreSAUK If you did not see the evidence then you are deliberately closing your eyes. Their reputation also preceded them. I will be glad when they are forced out.
Woow what a great info about this place and is not what these politicians potray it to be mos.....woow I'm impressed and learned a lot from this tour, knowledge is power.....love your concept in orania and I will teach it to the world the way it is so they can learn....
This is genuinely very cool. Half expected another lame hypocritical take on Orania when I saw the title. But you guys went there with an open mind and real understanding of the world to learn and grow better yourselves. That's truly commendable.
@@Vukuzenzele white content creators do this all the time on TH-cam, stating how they are going into the most dangerous neighborhoods through out the world and do you get on their channel commenting or complaining??? I didn't think so
Thank you for showing me a part of my country that I was aware of... but knew nothing about. Imagine a Native American being introduced to a Reserve for the first time, - I think that sort of describes how I feel about this video. I also thought these folks were far Right racists, but after watching your video, I have to admit that I was biased and judgmental. Please forgive my ignorance, I have a better opinion of Orania now. That being said I think I'm probably to lazy and soft to go and work in that arid part of the country, these Afrikaners are a tough bunch!
Saying we are Dutch, is like calling Americans, and Australians " English ". And those three nations speak English, yet they are not all English. We do not even speak Dutch. Afrikaans is not Dutch, and it does not even sound the same. Flemish is closer to Afrikaans than Dutch.
@@shaunspies1108 Flemish is Dutch, though. To me, Afrikaans is much, much easier to understand than West Flemish, which is also considered Dutch. And as you probably know yourself, Afrikaans speakers used to say they were speaking Dutch when they were speaking the exact same language that is spoken now. All that changed is the name of whats spoken. The problem with calling any dialect part of a wider continuum is that it sounds like youre diminishing the tongue in comparison to the 'proper' standard language. Given the way the Dutch turned their backs on the Afrikaners last century I understand the lack of interest in associating with us, but I hope that gap can be mended. Remember that by far most volunteers during the Boer wars were Dutch and Kruger was personally welcomed by the Dutch queen to exile in the Netherlands
Note my reply I said: " We are not Dutch ". Our language differs from dutch quite a bit, our vocabulary has changed a lot, and we have words that never featured in Dutch. If Flemish is Dutch, then why do Flemish tv programs have Ditch subtitles? I have been to both Belgium, and Holland, worked in Holland for some time as well, and have worked with both Dutch and Flemish citizens, and yet, when conversing with the Dutch, I have to speak in English, for both our sakes, but with the Belgians, I understand them when they communicate in Flemish, and visa versa, when I communicate in Afrikaans. Added to the above, we adopted a lot of German words, and their sintext, and for added flair, the double French negative. You are correct on one aspect though, we want nothing to do with the Dutch. We don't hate you, we don't look down on you, or despise you, but language similarity does not bind us. You are European, we are Proudly African.
@@jpietersen519 nicely put. From my observation and learning I have noticed that behind that bravado, Afrikaners are actually soft, they mis home, want to belong and only want peace. In military it’s called peace through strength. I hope the Dutch will one day do right with them. I Still think Arjen Robben in the most talented hard working soccer player who ever lived.
@@shaunspies1108 I dont think any Flemish person denies Flemish is Dutch, just not necesarily Standard Dutch The distinction here is that there is a 'broader' description at play here. Flemish dialects, like all Dutch dialects (they also exist in the NL and are subtitled), are clearly distinct and unique from Standard Dutch, but fall under the wider umbrella of 'Dutch'. Standard Dutch is NOT the same as Dutch in this case. Although most Flemish TV is also in unsubtitled Standard Dutch (or tussentaal) My personal experience with spoken Afrikaans is that it's perfectly intelligible, but sadly most Dutch people don't bother trying to understand even when it comes to local dialects. But classifying Afrikaans as a separate language is fine. It's all arbitrary anyways. Dutch for example has a dialect continuum with German and we even used to call our language Duitsch until two centuries ago. A language is a dialect with a state. And as far as cultural sentiment goes, yeah I recognise the (mutual) apathy. Which is simply a very big pity, considering how extremely different things were merely a century ago.
This was an important and thought-provoking video. This may be controversial what I am about to say. As a Black American man who has married a West African woman, I am concerned if this can be duplicated in various African communities because many chiefs (not all) throughout Africa have done nothing to improve their communities: dirt roads for decades, improper sewage, no community power since the government does not see fit to keep it stable, dilapidated schools, etc. I will definitely put into the work to make our community strong, but there is the resistance of chiefs and and greedy politicians to stop or interfere with building excellence in African communities. What can be done about this?! This will be a challenge to us, Black Americans attempting to live in Africa, our Motherland. There is only so much one can blame on colonization. Brother, great reporting!!!
Nice explaination on Orania model, I see it as a community coming together to solve their challenges in life and even the South African national anthem in it has several South African languages, that is recognition of diversity of communities making up the South African Nation, so I see nothing racist in it.
They don't even have 2,000 people living there yet I don't think. It's easy to keep a place that small clean and crime free......if they are still living the same way with a population of at least 50,000 I will give them their props without a doubt.
@@markhill7418It has nothing to do with the amount of people living there, history has shown that numerous times. It has to do with the culture of the residents. Have the townships in SA changed since 1994? It doesn't look like it even though you now have reverse apartheid over there, with job discrimination against whites, yet the townships are still as ghettos. WHY? You know why. Instead of tearing down why don't you build up? You need to realise the whites in your country aren't going anywhere, just the same as the blacks over here aren't being deported back to Africa.
This place looks incredible a community that truly care about each other and a fantastic example of what the youth need to strive toward, a brighter future for all South Africans. I find it really strange and wonder why no people of colour have chosen to live there... It looks awesome!! Much love and much respect awehness 😎❤🇿🇦
You do have your own such towns. Transkei for example. My question to you is.. Who is making those such towns work? Nobody.. They are in such a mess. The crime & poverty & dirt is horrendous.. Its really sad to drive through these places 😢 All of these places were run by white people & white farmers whom have now either been murdered or forced to leave. Its a shame & a total disgrace 🤷♀️
The Ora is just a coupon system connected 1:1 with the South African Rand. Trade is somewhat similar to other towns and their surrounding communities. If you do want to open shop or work in the town there is a process but anyone can make use of their services and products such as the ambulance that often helps out the surrounding areas or shopping for groceries.
Give this place a few more years and see the development. It seems like no one knows about it now but soon everyone will. What a little self stained paradise.
Its a pity we cannot move to Orania becuase I am a English speaking South African. Two home invasions in two years. Thats no way to live in our beautiful country.😢
Actually there are non Afrikaners who have moved to Orania. The requirement is that you are willing to adapt to Afrikaner culture even if you are not originally Afrikaans. There are English speaking South Africans who have adapted to Afrikaner culture in Orania.
As a Black South African, I don't really care about Orania. I like that the people are actually working for themselves and not exploiting anyone. But I think they need financial experts like me to help them better manage their currency😅😅
The Orania Idea is brilliant something that we can all learn from but for those whose saying it's not racist it is. I don't see the people of Orania allowing 5000 blacks even if they highly qualified to be one of them. This will always be wrong, we can't have a world where different cultures and race do not interact with one another. This is where your future Hitlers, your future apartheid Boys, future colonizers, your future racists are born.
Preach
What you said is just useless conspiracy theories. The are people in the world who are not mixed with other races,it's only an issue when white people are not mixed..Many people in Africa, asia and arab countries and including in SA itself are living in their own spaces and no one make a fuss about that, it's problem only when white people do it, and I'm not even white.
Look at all the "diversity of cultures" that many western countries in Europe and US have, what good has come outof it? None!You have racial tensions, animosity and hate in those countries. People of same race who share same culture and beliefs result in more healthy and peaceful communities than what we see in western countries. Anti white racism is on the rise and is a norm as result of the cultures you said must be mixed. Your views are not based on reality, and white people living on their own not bothering others I don't know how is that a bad thing, wether it's racist or not..
@@makeafricagreatagain04 you want autonomy fot African Americans and its a good thing but it's bad when white people in same situation as you in US do it? You contradict your self though.
@@mabhodlelajj1195 you need to understand it takes time for different cultures to come together the more u divert from it it stays stagnant. We animals, we adapt to our environments. You looking at western countries forgetting those who were apart of all these racial hate crimes still live among us. That's y u will have Racial tension and all the other shit u listed. Look at kids they all get along because they not intoxicated by the old ways until they are and u see the division begin to occur. Your vision is short sighted @mabhodlelajj1195.
This place is known because of "white." The most interesting thing about it: people moved to remote desert and built the life they wanted instead of crying, complaining, being miserable about government. They planning, government, ability to foresee and tackle difficulties are amazing too.
Keep in mind blacks in the US have tried many times to make their own separate society. If never works because they do not do the labor and I am sorry but they don't have the intellect for self sustainability without donations online etc.
You look at Liberia, a colony of blacks given by the US after the Civil War so blacks could have their own land and laws. The first thing they did was use white technology via guns and ammo to enslave the neighboring tribes, after which they sold the metal and iron and everything else for food, Instead of growing their own food. They where given everything including food, guns, ammo, animals for breeding and built houses.
They took this and enslaved their own people, sold everything for food instead of growing food, and now they eat literal LITERAL mudcookies and eat off the good nature of foreign aid.
There is more at play here than just "apartheid" or slavery. This is at a genetic level.
Orania is how the whole country should be run. Its not even the colour of the skin, its the character of the people, who happen to be white, that makes it an amazing place.
They need to go do this in Europe ! Not in the middle of Africa !!
@@rykson161 Are you buying them flight tickets and funding the project?
@@rykson161 Lichtenstein
As a black South African it's genuinely inspiring how much autonomy and quality of life you can achieve when you stop sucking the governments teet and do it yourself. Capitalizing on the autonomy is our greatest advantage
💯👏🏾 exactly! If anything, Orania and the other similar places should be an eye opening inspiration for those who cannot already see that we don't need government to live and thrive. We are more than capable of doing better for ourselves
💯👏🏾 exactly! If anything, Orania and the other similar places should be an eye opening inspiration for those who cannot already see that we don't need government to live and thrive. We are more than capable of doing better for ourselves
USA and Britain control how money is made and moves in South Africa .who do you think is the middle man to all that ,its your so called funders of Oriana ...Sometimes i think we Africans mainly South Africa are too ignorant too see the truth .
we need to research more than we talk.
My guy these people had everything from apartheid they don’t deserve honor. If you can start your city from scratch without privileges of apartheid and favoritism then I can honor you. Relaying on the government is not only for blacks but its the world system no one can break loose from it. Even Orania.
Well said!!!!🤬🤬🤕
The Orania people are extremely intelligent& of course hardworking to obviously become SELF sufficient. Clean, orderly, harmonious , safe streets, low or no crime , good education , even have their own money! A model to copy for those that whine about Orania.
Be intelligent back in Europe
Ok if I say there's town in SA where with people are not allowed how will it goes
@@mthimkhulu30 They bought land with nothing on it and built it up from scratch. Its private property and their own rules.
@@VampIce22 that only allows Whites but still banks off South African government 😂😂😂 they should have also created their own currency got anoty reserve currency to back them up etc
I wonder if the rest of South Africa does the same and says no whites allowed in will the same reaction still be given
if only they could do that in their own country then it would be fine
its not about racism , its about safety.
funny you say that bcuz racism stems from fear smh
Move to Pitcairn Island. They need you. G'day from Australia 🇦🇺
It's about keeping their culture alive and yes safe,but not from other cultures but from outside instability.
@shelbybrown8312 More than ninety percent of Afrikaners live in the broader South Africa 🇿🇦 making contributions , speaking many languages including afrikaans, attending cultural events and promoting multiculturalism. They have utterly rejected the Orania policy of apartheid enforced by the old neo nazi afrikaner regime of yesteryear. These majority afrikaners don't fall for the ideal of preserving apartheid under the guise of " culture" - it's clearly utter tosh. These two thousand residents of Orania are simply white supremacists and have been drawn of the residual old neo nazis of the Hendrik Verwoerd father of apartheid outfit. Afrikaans, a
creole language is pretty and is the newest language on the planet and will be preserved but NOT by these misguided almost criminal acts of UDI etc ( unilateral declaration of Independence ) by such misguided neo cons. UDI was tried by the old Rhodesia and failed. It
will fail here again. G'day 🇦🇺 🪃. :) 😀
It’s racist by definition, they don’t allow any blacks, not even highly educated non violent blacks, so the safety comment doesnt make sense, they can allow safe black people
AS A BLACK PERSON, I DONT BLAME THESE PEOPLE FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE. ACTUALLY THEY HAVE TAKEN MATTERS TO THEIR OWN HANDS TO SUSTAIN THEMSELVES.
Facts
Excuses, they just hate black people.
So where is the Amish
Two wrongs don't add to a right. Orania is ferkeer
I have mixed feelings about your comment.
Thank you for showing this side of South Africa that we don’t see in the media.
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The town is in the media quite often. Channel 4 of UK was there recently.
@@HansCoche Our media. We don't see this side of Orania in the South African media.
They will never tell us about this media because it is nit us
So painful
Great insights. There is a huge misconception out there that Orania is a racist community where white people can go and live. Nothing can be further from the truth. I am as white as the driven snow and grew up during the apartheid era, am a paying member of the "Orania Beweging", yet I CANNOT live there. For the simple reason that I am agnostic. Religion is one of their pillars and I have absolutely no issue with that. I support them not because they are white or Christian but because I believe that what they are doing is done with respect and is sustainable. Well done Orania and well done @Make Africa Great Again.
"I support them not because they are white or christian" stopped reading because you're still a slave . Wake up and fight for your people coward.
It is all based on the Boer culture , if you don't have it it's not for you , stop whining and go cry somewhere else .
thats also discrimination. You people need to stop smoking crack
I live very close to Orania and they are extremely racist
I respect your opinion but you seem to be very selective in what you read and understand. As I mentioned, I am not allowed to stay there because of my religious beliefs (or lack thereof) and not because of the color of my skin. Sure you can argue that their rules are cleverly crafted to exclude certain segments of society but I believe it is done not merely to exclude but to ensure growth and stability. The white Afrikaner is traditionally a Christian and it is very rare to find them engaging in 'destructive' behavior such as striking and violent demonstrations. This means that they solve the issue from the place where the issue exists. They do not break down first in the hopes of rebuilding at enormous cost. And while they may not acknowledge it I believe this is the crux of their 'selection' process.
This was a fascinating video, so thanks for taking the time to put it together, and also thanks for the time commitment in visiting the community (which is pretty much in the middle of nowhere). At the end of the day, the South African constitution guarantees the right to self determination. So I do not really have a problem with the Afrikaner minority group establishing their own settlement. Furthermore, they basically just want to be left alone, which I do not consider an unreasonable request either.
Our pleasure! 🙏
THE WAY you write you'd be happy living in Pitcaird Island 🏝. Ha ha G'day from Australia 🇦🇺.
The way you write, you must either be a government employee, socialist or university student (all basically of the same mindset)! How is the Nanny State BTW? @@redmatters9318
I find it interesting when watching videos about Orania that black South Africans are generally fairly positive about it in the comments. I really wish some of the black ethnic groups can also start establishing successful, independent communities like this. With the ZA government failing the people of the country, I think this is the future of the country.
BTW, I am an Afrikaner myself. I’m not sure I’d want to live in Orania myself as I like experiencing different cultures (I’ve been living in Asia for 10+ years), but I have a lot of respect for these people taking matters into their own hands and not waiting for handouts
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those are bots or troll accounts. Nobody with a brain would support this
One thing I'm getting from this is everyone works. Everyone contributes & that gives them a vested interest in keeping Orania prosperous & safe. They don't live there then drive to a different city to work, their effort directly builds Orania. Lovely 😍
Are they allowed to do that?
Yeah it strikes similarities with a kibbutz or the Amish comunities.
@@Faiez-rh1gmIt's private property.
@@pietervorster5690 I know
@@pietervorster5690 and I'm happy for them and should be great model for other communities driven with crime etc
Orania is a model case study for a community development process. The community took one step at a time to continue a journey of many miles. From the small beginnings it was able to build the impossible.The dynamics describing this community are characterised by a principle of absolute advantage and less of greed and power mongrel. Everyone within the community has become a contributing source towards the good of the community.
what model case study? this is apartheid 2.0 who u fooling?
@@Jblah
If they were able to create a safe and sustainable community for them why can't black Africans do the same.
Orania is indeed a good case study for that.
It's impressive, why can't blacks do the same though?
@@guleiro based
Sounds much how Pircairn Island started and see where they went...down the gurgle. They're down to I think some 12 people. In order to survive Pitcairn Commnity council is willing to pay people to settle . This is the way Orania will go if it does not open up to multiculturalism. THEYVE managed to muster up some 2000 odd remnants of the old afrikaner neo nazi regime of yesteryear . Over how many years PRATTLE and tell?. Clearly the decent afrikaners living g in the broader South Africa 🇿🇦 have rejected them .About 99 per cent of civilised countries have rejected them..Sad for them but true. There is no place for these rascists and anti semitism in the workd today. Report from Australia 🇦🇺. G'day.l
Congrats Joost - you are an amazing ambassador for Orania
If SA didn't have racism and tribalism it would be one of the greatest country in world.
Whites built SA after a very very long time of studying African tribes and their hunting grounds, territory, and migration routes
Whites built Rhodesia/south Africa in a place blacks didn't even live, hunt, migrate, or explore. It was not until after SA/Rhodesia was created that the Bantu tribe found the white people and then moved into their land. The Whites were invaded, falsely labeled as apartheid, falsely labeled as colonizers, and then Whites still allowed blacks in.
Now SA/Formerly Rhodesia is a joke of a nation, corrupt, poor, and impoverished under black stolen control.
Stop listening to lies, you did not steal their land. You where the pioneers and natives they didn't even live their until white Africans built the land.
Wake. Up.
poetry, those that call others racist are generally racist . . . hope that sinks in
Racism is over look at us now
@@vincentjansevanrensburg2378 well, he didn't finger-point anyone. He is just talking about social issues that hold back cooperation.
@@brianjackson38 thanks
Thank u for the vid brother
Orania is definitely a heaven I can stay that side
Those boere are protecting their livelihoods ain't racist
SA is slowly becoming like Zimbabwe
We are poor but we still wanna help our poor africans
The whole South Africa can be like that...independent and economical strong...if we can just stop using the past to destroy the future...together we stand...devide we fall ..
MOST DEFINITELY
Not possible. In order to achieve this, you need people with brains that work.
Never forget
@@TheAvira123I disagree, it would be absolutely possible if everyone decided to govern and sustain themselves, it's not about brain, it's about heart, unfortunately i doubt the government would allow everyone to just decide that they want to do this, they want everyone to be dependent on them and letting crime get out of hand and the justice system fail and have everything done for them is a big part of that. I think Oranieërs are very fortunate to have a place that sifts through everyone and mitigate the risk of letting criminals into the community and provide the community an opportunity to become self-sustaining, to work hard for what you want and if you approach this with an open mind and willingness to work hard, you can achieve anything you work towards
Corruption needs to be eliminated for that to happen.
I think that Joost is an excellent host and a tremendous source of knowledge. Whilst the town is unfairly perceived as racist it is actually the neo racism that has forced the Afrikaners to consider their own homeland and it is working. Attacking a language that is spoken many non-white South Africans is hideous, however it has resulted in the creations of towns such as Orania which juxtaposes everything that the ANC lead Government has looted, destroyed, robbed, broken, run into the ground...it is a blueprint for those seeking refuge from the daily noise of anti-whitism, corruption, lies, deceit, theft, crime, grime, non-service delivery, poverty, inequality, filthy water when its running...I unfortunately would not be able to live there too, however I salute Orania in what it has accomplished
Always remember that thousands of Afrikaners were being murdered anywhere (especially in farms) and are getting kicked out of communities, that is why their solution is to stick together, built a community for themselves, and to preserve their identity.
'Killed anywhere'? Do not lie, they were only murdered on their farms. 😅
Anywho, what about the massacres that swept away black lives in the duration of that vile white supremacy system of Apartheid? That number is more than that of those white lives taken that whites keep lamenting and sobbing over as if their deaths were more heinous than Apartheid itself.
Ya the PAC, ANC, MK slogan as well as EFF to KiLL the BOER, Adam first man god made in his image was Farmer to toil land in the garden of eden...
They should preserve their identity in the Netherlands, where your people (white) belong!
Africans is for Black Afircans!
Thousands is an exaggeration, there are murders I acknowledge that…but thousand’s is a lie
@@worldchampions4379 so tel us Champion....how many FARMS WERE BURNED DOWN BY ENGLISH IN ANGLO BOER WAR? HOW MANY CHILDREN AND WOMAN PUT IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS? HOW MANY BOER MEN SHIPPED TO ST HELENA CAMP? YOU KNOW WE CAN READ AND WRITE AND RECORD HISTORY, BUT COMMIES CAN LIE ABOUT EVERYTHING.....
Orania community don't bother anyone...they live their lives. I wish I can create my own orania especial that we have stay in the dark for hours due loadshedding. Big up boer community
God bless you👊🏻
Black South African, but I applaude my fellow white Orania brothers and sisters, keep your heads up.
I would not be welcome there either...
I'm English speaking and an atheist.
That's okay... people can do what they like on private land.
I'm also not welcome in, say a Xhosa kraal in the Transkei... I'm absolutely fine with that too.
South African labour is and has never been "cheap". It's expensive because it is very unproductive. Even given our collapsing currency value (which should make our products competitive), you cannot open a factory in this country and compete with other countries because our labour component will price you out of the market.
Zimbabweans are employed in SA because they're extremely hard working and very easy to get along with.
There is a very specific narrative that is told and believed about my people. I do not live in Orania myself, but I have heard about what's happening there. As an Afrikaaner my heart sinks a little every time I click on a video like this. That is because whenever someone from another country makes a video about my people, there's always this sense of "so this is what's up with 'these people' but because way back when..." insert whatever justification you need. At least, I apparently have a knack for only finding videos like that.
So I would like to thank you. Thank you for being genuine in your delivery of this content. Thank you for being willing to listen to what the people in Orania have to say. Thank you for not creating a narrative for them but allowing them to speak for and explain themselves. Thank you for not simply labeling them as racists and putting them down, but even finding something good there and being willing to share the positive side of this with the world.
Some of the ire directed at my people has been earned. A lot, has not. We are a people struggling to move forward from a volatile past. Thank you for showing and sharing in this side of us.
I hope you enjoyed your time in my country!
You did a great job of listening and understanding the idea of the town, rather than being offended by it. Well done. I hope you can achieve something similar for your own people in the US
These Oranians had their original town taken because of the infrastructure started over from dirt now their original city has been run into the dirt and guess who’s knocking on the door again.
@@anthonysupplee858 that didn't make any sense
@@anthonysupplee858 what are you saying?
@@anthonysupplee858 your statement made complete sense. It's clear why those who are saying otherwise are saying it...........
@@FREAKY_SPIDER He's saying their first city was stolen from them, so they started anew in the middle of a desert. Now, the first city is in ruins by the new residents, so they want to take the second city as well.
It just shows you what you can accomplish when you take accountability and responsibility for your own neighborhoods. The black communities I have literally destroy themselves.
I just wish that all these journalists that visit Orania and publish their articles in the media would stop with the "Whites only town" nonsense. Orania is an Afrikaner/Boer nation cultural community. That's it! Please stop with the clickbait.
Exactly.
For me it proves the intelligence of the Afrikaans community I fully support your stance keep going am leaning a lot
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Change South Africa exactly to Oranja's morals. South Africa will be great again.
So seeing how South Africa is majority black and if they took on the same morals as Orania that would mean every white person would be kicked out of South Africa right.....🤔
It only works because they are of the same tribe, culture and temperament.
@@makeafricagreatagain04 I'm a white South African and I agree with you! FYI: my significant other is a human rights activist. While I applaud the goals and values of Orania IN THEORY, it does not work IN PRACTICE. And Orania is not REALLY self sufficient and they ARE racist, whether they want to admit it or not. I'm appalled that the guy named Joost keeps saying that "Apartheid was/is not sustainable" but says nothing about the horrific crime against humanity that it was! The very first example of them not really being self sufficient is shown at the beginning of the video: they rely on a black courier to deliver packages from the outside world for them. How is that being 100% self sufficient? "No man is an island." The only way that South Africa can prosper is if we all put our differences aside and come together to work towards one goal. Unfortunately human nature means that there will always be divisions, whether it's racial, cultural or something else. By the way, I'm an atheist, so I immediately fail one of the entry tests of Orania; something for which I'm grateful, as I have no desire to associate myself with such a racist town. I do agree that the MODEL of the town can be applied on local levels in certain areas, but you cannot rule South Africa with Orania's ACTUAL principle/value which they don't say out loud, i.e. "separate, but equal", which was exactly the slogan for segregation and Apartheid.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer Wow Great point
@@maruskaehrensdorfer You are so deluded by ideology that you see something working right in front of your eyes and yet you still claim "it does not work in practice". Stop looking at the world through a racial lens.
Orania is a good example of how communities should govern themselves. No faceless nameless corrupt bureaucrat 1000km away but someone you see and talk to everyday. Pragmatic, community based and self sufficient. Well done orania!
Only in south africa will they call trying to protect your own culture rasist.
Not true,as EU is ruling Europe they try to make even flying your own flag racist and try to destroy our personal history& culture to say if you love your own country or culture you are racist!
no dummie. The whole world would call this racist smh. Stop smoking crack
One question why are white Europeans in Africa as a colony in the first place ?
Africa is for the Africans aint it ?.
This is how God intended us to live .In peaceful harmony. How I wish we could all live like this .God bless these amazing People❤
You got no god
Right, so this is what God intended, yet only a select 1,700 people can live like this, on private property.
@@iy4563 shut up with your bible verses. You don't even know who wrote that garbage. Free society is tired of you self-appointed representatives of the invisible sky father dictating to us what is right and what is wrong. You have no damn clue.
@@iy4563 stop using the bible to justify segregation and racism.
@@iy4563you do know that this commanded was exclusively given to Hebrews right? Are you an ethnic Hebrew?
Orania is what South Africa used to be 40 years ago. Zero crime and everything just works. Well done Orania !
You seem to forget apartheid was a crime against humanity…so much for no crime. Think before you make tone deaf comments from your high horse
It was like that before white people came with the apartheid and killing our forefathers and taking their land
@@worldchampions4379 so many triggered people in the comments. They just want to be happy and live crime free. Leave them alone.
@@worldchampions4379 Don't answer these comments their intentions is to create a reaction by saying something ridiculous. Don't buy into it just ignore
@@worldchampions4379 Nah, the real crime is being upset at those that want to live independently & keep their families/people/heritage/culture safe from criminal hordes of low IQ zero impulse control primitive subhuman savages.
I appreciate that you guys gave Joost time to explain and having a truthful and honest communication with him and asking questions that didn't sound demeaning or insincere.
You guys caught some beautiful scenery on camera. Those thunder clouds😲 A shame the wind blew so hard though.
Too bad, they won't turn their other cheek. They still see racism but won't see why they built this town in the 1990s up to this day.
@@kuwa333 The town is providing a different model of governance, not out of racism but for self reliance and working with the community. With culture, religion and identity at it's centre.
@@jrr6947 I'm actually talking about the video uploader, he still thinks it's a racist town. He doesn't see it as a culture preserve town.
@@kuwa333 Oh😅 Sorry man. I'm in defense mode in this comment section.
Thanks Brotha 🙏
Sometimes we can look at certain things to serious as a black man I want to live where I can be comfortable and I think every person wants the same
Thank you.
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thats why people move to the suburbs
G-d bless Orania and it´s beautiful Afrikaan people. I am black myself and I fully love, respect, support, impressed, and very grateful for your contribution. It is inspiring to see a minority so resilient, resourceful, and industrious. The world has a lot to learn from Orania. Five stars, high five, two thumbs up... This definitely gave me hope in humanity. xxx
Don't care don't trust you. The damage done is done and it won't be let go so easily
Forgiveness for real or perceived transgressions is a prerequisite to being forgiven. I’m encouraged that so many of my black countrymen are complimentary of this initiative.
Kudos to you guys to actually go and investigate and find the truth for yourselves. And you were highly respectful throughout the tour. Thanks and much respect to you.
Thanks brotha 🙏
When respect is mutual, true friendship is the result.
Agree. Respect is something to work hard at.
In conclusion a small tiny town run by afrikaaners without funds or help from the government of South Africa is more prosperous, crime free, clean and free than the entire country of SA? I learnt about this town thank to my Zimbabwean friend who said that Orania goes against Africa's principles. Now I'm confused, the heck is he talking about he is not even South African and secondly, having a prosperous, crime free, clean and free society goes against Africa? I'm done
It goes against the values of blacks who notoriously can only survive by leeching off of White communities and societies.
I was 15 when apartheid ended in 1995..ive been living under anc rule and im under the affirmative action from government , black people get chosen for work over white people...i had no privilage from the apartheid government..im 42 now and all i have seen is the one colapse after the other from government..eskom, transnet,saa..had to make and find my own way to earn money..our unemployment is over 46percent..yet they hate me and im a oppresor and still get punished for apartheid..please keep on observing for yourself and making your own conclussions because theres a lot of propoganda and loud noise from polotical parties but the truth is very diffrent..most white people are suffering
The last person who should talk is a Zimbabwean. Zimbabwe used to be a great country, when it was Rhodesia. Then came the dictator Mugabe, as is typical of black governments, he destroyed the country and enriched himself. Where did the Zimbabweans run to? South Africa.
I’m a white Zimbabwean. Black Zimbabweans just don’t know what they don’t know. They will not hear. They are responsible for the mess they’re in. I personally witnessed how they destroyed their country out of spite and ignorance.
Leave them alone, its fine not to want to mix with others.
If you say so
Would you like it if I came into your house, took half the space and said I don't want you in my space?
@@tsaki_titan You got South Africa now, pulled it through your arses very successfully too. Orania consists of 800 hectares of soil that Professor Carel Boshoff bought from the government. Surely if they bought it then they can do on it as they please. In 1652 when the Futch came here to SA, the only people they found living here were the Khoi and San. You all came from Noth Africa and also almost a 100 years after the first Europeans landed here by sail ships. Yes the actually crossed the seas on sail ships, black people today still can't cross a river on a rubber dinghy without drowning. Stop believing the communist propaganda that has been spoonfed to you and do some proper recearch and start thinking for yourself please. If this country really belonged to the black man then why are you all so eager to destroy it???? Where is your sense of pride and howcome everything is falling apart under your rule???
@@tsaki_titanYou wouldn’t have a “ house” You’d have a mud hut.
I noticed that white colonies
Like the menonitas their European
German and Dutch they move to
South America they get land from the government and they don't mix with the locals . But they use up resources
from the land somebody said in Colombia they were wiping out
Rainforest for the wood.
Why do they move to poor regions around the globe
If Europe is so better according to
White Europeans?! .
Such a quaint peaceful little town, and clean. What i like about them is that they don't wait for government but rather do their own thing.
Too bad that their minds and hearts are dirty
Have to strongly disagree! I did not once see any evidence in the video for your allegation. No need for all the hate to a people simply running their own lives and making a success of it.
@@quitefrankly6815 you are a joker.
@@quitefrankly6815 🤣🤣🤣😁
@@LibreSAUK You are very delusional my friend
It's nothing to do with racist it's about people who want too move forward where governments can make the difference in people and in his country.
If so y is there only one race allowed? Care do share
Stop the kak Corne, a black person isn't allowed in there, that's literally what racism is so wtf are you saying?
Because our black brothers & our government dnt have the know how to run something like this that works... And then while our country is crumbling arnd us, they are still voting & trusting in the Anc whose promises are a joke. The fall of South Africa started when apartheid was supposed to have ended.. Our beautiful country is done when bee & the Anc came into power. As simple as that 😊
@@nelisiwegwebu3759 I'm a white South African and I agree with you. While the values and principles of self sufficiency are admirable, it does not take away the fact that they are racist.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer Nothing wrong being "racist", only Whites are called this when they want to be with their kin..
This is the only area that is really working in SA. Every other area, state company and practically everything else is messed up. Prior to 1994 everything was working perfectly. Under ANC rule a perfect working state deparment failed. This is not about skin colour but about culture. These Afrikaaners have a culture of hard work, discipline, peace, responsibility. Unfortunately we cannot say this about al the cultures in SA. So if there are any other persons with a non white skin colour but are willing to adopt the culture of the Afrikaaner, they are welcome. This is not racism. There are black people who are icon afrikaans singers that speaks afrikaans just as well as any white afrikaaner and I see them as black Afrikaaners. They are welcome but they are not interested to move to Orania. You apply and you can be turned down even as a white afrikaaner. You behave yourself there. So why do other cultures also not start their own Orania.I am an Afrikaaner and is not part of the Orania movement, but please do not believe the propaganda that Orania is a racist town. It is a well functional town.
soo what must happen
@@skhontuli2700 turn the hole of south africa into orania!!!remember anc slogan.." the people shall govern"...theres none to fuckall of that under anc administration...orania is the perfect example of how a people shall govern.
@@skhontuli2700 build your own?
Amen. I believe most people are upset that it works and that it is possible.
They aren’t interested in moving there as they don’t like their culture.
They just are jealous that “ they” can’t create this so want it destroyed.
It’s THAT simple.
Well done Joost Strydom i as a Afrikaanse Boer is proud off you and the Community in Orania i would like one day to visit Orania
Thank you so much for uploading. I haven't been there since 2019, and as always, I can see things didn't stand still. A whole new block of houses popped up. Thanks for the positive review you've given, and I hope the visit was useful to you.
Super trots op jul.Boere seun jy is moeder se held.
I love the concept of Orania. I think their success is living in a community where everyone believes in the same thing. I don't know why Africans think just because we are brown skinned, speak the same language, have similar cultural practices it automatically means we belive in the same thing. In my opinion African cultures are too broad and diverse that it becomes hard to believe in one thing unless we are willing to change what culture means. Their vetting process makes sure that even if you're white - it is a pre-requisite for you to be aligned with their beliefs and way of living.
Completly true but it's more than a shared culture that is part of the recepie, the culture beeing shared is also important.
If for ex people belife theft is acceptable or excusable, you can't get the same results.
This comunity is the product of a Christian faith inside a homogenous group with similar values and no racial aspect to drive the comunity apart.
so theyre a cult? thats even worse smh
Their success comes from collecting money from white Supremacist groups operating in South Africa.
@@JblahNo, it’s not a cult! Apply your mind.
@@TheIncredibleMrG777 i dont waste braincells thinking bout santa claus homie
Orania is self-reliant, self employing, self -sustaining community
...just improve the quality of your own community wherever you're.
Stop this jealousy of seeing negatives in people who doesn't need you to succeed in life.
Best and most honest comment here.
“ You need US. We don’t need you.”
I get the idea that as long as you embrace the Afrikaner culture, the color of your skin will never matter, and you are welcome. Sort of makes sense to me.
Having said that, the other 8 million Afrikaners are pretty satisfied in the rest of the country.😉
That is not true....how come there no other people there? You mean no people have embraced the Afrikaner culture? Coloured people?
@@nolubynature9513 Good point. I was just speculating and reacting to what I saw.
II have just done some further research, and from what I have come across is that Afrikaans as a language and as a culture mostly emanated from a region/farm/missionary called Dal Josafat between Wellington and Paarl. They were apparently mostly the offspring of Afrikaner farmers and their servants, who were originally imported from eastern countries. There are apparently many words in Afrikaans that came directly from eastern languages. The one I picked up on is Bobotie, because that is now such a traditional dish in SA, not to mention that it is yummy and one of my favorites.
@@nolubynature9513He said there were Malayan descendants there too.
Orania is an example that unity built in one ideology and vision stands a chance to prosper.
They need to unite in Europe ! They are biding their time to overthrow African governments in the future !!
@@rykson161 No one is overthrowing anything, the Afrikaner community is too small and no one will vote for them due to the whole history. Even if people voted for them, the world won't accept racial based movements or laws.
I can guarantee you if a white politician in South Africa makes some small racial remark or mistake, there will be blood on the streets. Unlike how no one riots when ANC provides us terrible service...
No Afrikaans/white person can even fight back the government, I was born a few years past apartheid as a white man. I have no concept of what even has been done or what the country even looked like in its prime. I just grew up in a developing town, in a household, where my dad had to work through poverty 12h - 16h a day and sometimes through weekends, just so I could see a future. Even after hard work getting 70%+ average on my subjects, for some reason I couldn't get into UCT.
So I went to CPUT instead. I had to study through riots, people disrespecting lecturers regardless of race and them burning an e-center across the street where I lived. I tried my best not to fail a single year, because I couldn't afford it. Even after studying, trying to get a job was hard because of BBBEE, it gets very competitive when there are only a certain amount of available positions. Which is why I can't play around or complain, only do my best and learn as much as I can. So I joined a startup company to learn how to build my own company/NPO. With my boss I had to learn how to build and helped build that startup from the ground up. It went from 5 people to 50 in 5 years.
I'm very grateful for that experience.
All I know is, best thing the Afrikaners can do, is do what they have always done, take things as it comes and build yourself out of a bad situation. I can't do or say anything about what some other random old white people did, but at the same time I grew up here, this is my home.
Orania is Awesome. Protect the Boer Minorities!
I agree...
From what ??
Africa for blacks only. Hell for Whites only
@@mukeloncube race based laws (being more than during apartheid) , Afrikaans youth can't get jobs , clear attack on Afrikaans schools language and culture , potential land expropriation , political leaders calling for the killing of boers , farm attacks and lack of stopping them or calling them hate crimes , the list goes on...
@@swartkat3472 mmmh mmmh now that’s a big problem, well it means that it’s one of the negatives of this law.
I love Orania,I don't blame them and If I could,I would also do the same.
Recist wl say so
@@josephseroka3711 you a clown
@@josephseroka3711 cry about it or do better
Crime free. No high walls, no burglar bars.. So clean
Thank you for this video from an outsider's point of view. These details as so eloquently given by Joost, made more sense than what is put out about Orania. No division, no one is better than the other, helping each other grow, following basic rules etc really makes the world seem crazier than what they are. A little peaceful haven... Isn't this how it should be?! Governments think they own the lands and people and forget that they are put there for service and the wellbeing of the people that put them there. There should be no poverty, no crime, equality, people helping each other in any way of contribution and just stick to any rules that's to the benefit of everyone.
My first language is Afrikaans and it is true that it's dying out, most young afrikaans speaking parents are speaking english to their kids and you end up for your kids speaking broken afrikaans... I am one that's guilty of that 🙄
There are plenty such areas around South Africa. Orania is successful because they brought in industrious and better educated Afrikaaners. There are plenty of homeless and dysfunctional Afrikaners in Pretoria and Johannesburg. The only thing that sets them apart is they vet according to culture and race instead of wealth.
That's the smart way to vet. By veting race you eliminate all acusations of race discrimination and all the race huslers that usualy devide society, by culture you ensure people with similar positive values. By removing criminals, thiefs etc, you ensure that element doesn't thive there and you can have security.
Security and shared values are a prerequisite to financial prosperity.
They are not afrikaners. They are dutch smh
You are correct about there being homeless and dysfunctional Afrikaners elsewhere in South Africa which only proves that you're wrong about race having anything to do with Orania's success.
Cultural values are what matters and race is as irrelevant to society as the length of Ramaphosa's toe nails.
This was so good. I do think African Americans would be much better off in somewhere like Orania. We are all better off with our own people.
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Go what are you waiting on?
Read your history black Americans did do that and we're persecuted and murdered
@@gwenadams7761 FACTS
You see, you hit the nail on the head! I think the worlds biggest downfall has been trying to mix cultures, religions, race etc. Being with your own kind is the way to live a peaceful happy life, and EVERYONE deserves to have a place on earth with their own people. It’s not racist to say this or think this.
I saw that non whites were treated well, can't wait to go back, funny how all the media says most racist town, but they ignore the Ingonyama trust.
Visit black community like Royal Bafokeng and Bakgatla ba Kgafela they have same ideologies like the Orania.
I am a white south african living in a black community...can I do it any longer? I do not wish to anymore..I now understand why we had apartheid...it was initially my thought that the 30years past apartheid would change their standard of living and change their mind sets...I'm pretty much very disappointed. To try and explain how they are and what they do is impossible as their is no space available...would I live in orania? Also no...I personally believe this earth is hell itself..exactly as Jesus describes it😂
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You don't sound like it
I see Orania like the Amish communities, they are protecting a cultural identity with a common ancestry, traditions, language, and religion. Yes, the Amish are white, they of German descent, but to describe them as a whites only community in a racist sense is absurd.
As a white Brit, I wouldn't be allowed to live their either. It's purely cultural.
Nonsense. The devil's synagogue. No shame and no mercy but just hide behind false statements and false narrative. Just disgusting
@@rockblonde as a white brit, trust me you are different from these people
@@david-arthur8166 how do you know Angie Lewis is different from them? I know plenty white Brits who are about nationalism, identity and culture preservation and who want to keep others away from them and some who are very racist. Like some of the ones who voted for Brexit, for example.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer mmm maybe, but kinda talk about what has been ‘experienced' yeah, white South Africans are like, backward and primitive
Safest place on earth.
Houses without 6 foot walls. Imagine that😢
Amazing ♡
Nothing is racist here
They don't want other races near them that's racist.
Only a sour person. Will call this racist
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Interesting comments so far thanks for voicing your thoughts. Orania has its negatives and it's positives. I'm looking forward to discuss in the follow up video.
Mos Definitely Bro!!
Well that's a lesson for a lot of us. Since the pandemic I think a lot of people are becoming more or less aware of self sufficiency. I'm envious a little. Small community with people like you.
It's not a racist town .
It's simply a functional town with no corruption and crime. Yes it's just white but you get black towns also like Khaylitsha , Langa , Soweto. Just because white people also start there own town or community it's not racist
Shut your trap for you don't know what you're talking about. If really you're German, as your nom de plume suggests, please stay in your lane. For your info, there's a difference between a town and a township in South Africa. Also, it's not like those came into being because residents there liked it and wanted to, they were "forced" to be there.
Only difference is they had the choice of where to buy and build . Other townships you mentioned was forced migration.
@@BossPamire You are seriously wrong in thinking that that was their choice. That was the option they were left with. They all just chose to be positive, hard working, dilligent and true to the ideals and ambitions. The have vision and purpose, it makes all the difference in a person's life. You should try it.
@@BossPamire I'm a white South African and I agree with you! It's almost impossible to escape township life unless you're given the means to do it. The people in Orania had the means to start their own settlement. Township people don't have the means to do that. Some people really are delusional about how real life works.
@@maruskaehrensdorfer Do you even know how Orania came about? Orania is a work in progress for over 30 years already. Not everyone that are living there right now had the means to buy property there, some of them arrived with nothing more than a checkers bag containing all their earthly possessions BUT they were willing to work hard in order to escape poverty instead of constantly whining about what they don't have. They had vision an of course the people already living in Orania were willing to help them. The fact remains that they started out humbly, not asking anyone for freebies and they are still an independent people basking in the evidence of their determination, willpower, tenacious temerity and NOW jealous individuals are attempting taking all of that away from them. My question is: WHY??? Why can they not live on their own? Why can they not be left alone? Why are they a threat to the rest of South Africa?
This is a clean town. No culture of drugs, loud disrespectful music, no disgusting taxi activity, no gays etc etc etc.
Basically if everyone sorts out their lives at a community level the country will be a success. I love the way politicians don’t take a salary and they don’t out source to cheap labour. As a white English speaking South African I think the country would be a better success if African elders had more responsibility. Nelson Mandela was after all the son of a chief and it shows in his grace and ethics. The current way seems to buy people off…
Great answer to the SA problem. Small autonomous towns and cities.
If you desire black only state in America go Haiti. there is already black only American state with entirely black government and the population.
They only want to go to nice areas that others have created where they are pandered to.
Orania reminds of Amish communities in the US
Exactly....U dont here those people asking for government's help
@@RomeoFinance The government gets in the way. The government doesn't produce anything except extract taxes that wasted
But with technology.
Orania should continue to remain ethnically intact to avoid the pitfalls now befalling the U.S and Europe.
Wow no pissing in the street.
Orania is being built by one of the hardest working people of SA, the Afrikaners. I admire the work ethic of die boere. I wish some of it could rub off onto my people. There's a lot of bad that happened in the past in the country, but if you look at how the present is, and how the future is most likely to be, we would put aside a lot of what divides our country.
Have your thoughts changed since you visited Orania? Do you feel more positive or negative about the town?
Good Question I have mixed emotions after living in South Africa and seeing how the government isn't looking out for their citizens but in retrospect I don't necessarily agree about how they are going about it!
However, we have gathered a lot of positive information that can be useful for the African Race.
@@makeafricagreatagain04 Do you think Orania would work better if it was not racial?
@@lupen0076 there is a reason why Christians, Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Whites, Asians or other ethnicities flock together in foreign lands.
@@lupen0076 Its quite clear Orania is based on preserving an attacked culture & religion so its quite specific to the people who wants to live there & not based on race. The world only sees race until you listen & understand their goals & way of living. Like the example provided if an African American community is build based on their history, culture, traditions etc & a white German man walks in saying he is African American he won't be taken seriously for obvious reasons.
Once you understand the government's & other big political party's (EFF) open hate & attacks towards the minority Afrikaner culture & Christianity then you'll understand why it HAS to be preserved.
To make things worse, our government (ANC) is also sold out to the m@sonic n3w world 0rder puppets, so you see them pushing the same tyrannical agendas deceiving & collapsing many countries today as well as full on attack on Christianity & the family construct.
Luckily the ANC with their uselessness are terrible at implementing anything thus for the most part the agenda is moving slow, hence why they're shifting to collapse the country and force a default like many third world nations. It's all about control & looting of our natural resources. Order out of chaos / Divide to conquer.
@Lupen 007 it's amazing how little he answered your question 😅
This video should have over one million views but TH-cam isn't showing this great content to Americans especially African Americans....smh
What a beautiful and clean town it is
Too bad that their minds and heart are dirty
Have to strongly disagree! I did not once see any evidence in the video for your allegation. No need for all the hate to a people simply running their own lives and making a success of it.
@@quitefrankly6815 your prejudice is showing, you don't even know these people personally and yet you judge them by your perception.
@@kuwa333 Yep, Their actions are enough for me.
@@LibreSAUK If you did not see the evidence then you are deliberately closing your eyes. Their reputation also preceded them. I will be glad when they are forced out.
Woow what a great info about this place and is not what these politicians potray it to be mos.....woow I'm impressed and learned a lot from this tour, knowledge is power.....love your concept in orania and I will teach it to the world the way it is so they can learn....
This is genuinely very cool. Half expected another lame hypocritical take on Orania when I saw the title.
But you guys went there with an open mind and real understanding of the world to learn and grow better yourselves. That's truly commendable.
Thank you 🙏
I Just love everything about this town for real the guys are very smart❤
It's an Afrikaner only town, not a whites only town.
Thanks Captain obvious.....🙄
@@makeafricagreatagain04 If it's so obvious, why does the title say 'whites only' and why is it made out to center around race?
@@Vukuzenzele white content creators do this all the time on TH-cam, stating how they are going into the most dangerous neighborhoods through out the world and do you get on their channel commenting or complaining??? I didn't think so
@@makeafricagreatagain04 So you admit that you're just a race baiter. Your grain of honesty is appreciated.
@@makeafricagreatagain04Have you made a video called the "blacks only" Ingonyama Trust? Didn't think so.
Thank you for showing me a part of my country that I was aware of... but knew nothing about. Imagine a Native American being introduced to a Reserve for the first time, - I think that sort of describes how I feel about this video. I also thought these folks were far Right racists, but after watching your video, I have to admit that I was biased and judgmental. Please forgive my ignorance, I have a better opinion of Orania now. That being said I think I'm probably to lazy and soft to go and work in that arid part of the country, these Afrikaners are a tough bunch!
I like how by breaking away and being self sufficient, they have also reconnected with the Dutch person that they are.
Saying we are Dutch, is like calling Americans, and Australians " English ".
And those three nations speak English, yet they are not all English.
We do not even speak Dutch. Afrikaans is not Dutch, and it does not even sound the same.
Flemish is closer to Afrikaans than Dutch.
@@shaunspies1108
Flemish is Dutch, though.
To me, Afrikaans is much, much easier to understand than West Flemish, which is also considered Dutch.
And as you probably know yourself, Afrikaans speakers used to say they were speaking Dutch when they were speaking the exact same language that is spoken now. All that changed is the name of whats spoken.
The problem with calling any dialect part of a wider continuum is that it sounds like youre diminishing the tongue in comparison to the 'proper' standard language.
Given the way the Dutch turned their backs on the Afrikaners last century I understand the lack of interest in associating with us, but I hope that gap can be mended. Remember that by far most volunteers during the Boer wars were Dutch and Kruger was personally welcomed by the Dutch queen to exile in the Netherlands
Note my reply I said: " We are not Dutch ".
Our language differs from dutch quite a bit, our vocabulary has changed a lot, and we have words that never featured in Dutch.
If Flemish is Dutch, then why do Flemish tv programs have Ditch subtitles?
I have been to both Belgium, and Holland, worked in Holland for some time as well, and have worked with both Dutch and Flemish citizens, and yet, when conversing with the Dutch, I have to speak in English, for both our sakes, but with the Belgians, I understand them when they communicate in Flemish, and visa versa, when I communicate in Afrikaans.
Added to the above, we adopted a lot of German words, and their sintext, and for added flair, the double French negative.
You are correct on one aspect though, we want nothing to do with the Dutch. We don't hate you, we don't look down on you, or despise you, but language similarity does not bind us.
You are European, we are Proudly African.
@@jpietersen519 nicely put. From my observation and learning I have noticed that behind that bravado, Afrikaners are actually soft, they mis home, want to belong and only want peace. In military it’s called peace through strength. I hope the Dutch will one day do right with them. I Still think Arjen Robben in the most talented hard working soccer player who ever lived.
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I dont think any Flemish person denies Flemish is Dutch, just not necesarily Standard Dutch
The distinction here is that there is a 'broader' description at play here. Flemish dialects, like all Dutch dialects (they also exist in the NL and are subtitled), are clearly distinct and unique from Standard Dutch, but fall under the wider umbrella of 'Dutch'. Standard Dutch is NOT the same as Dutch in this case. Although most Flemish TV is also in unsubtitled Standard Dutch (or tussentaal)
My personal experience with spoken Afrikaans is that it's perfectly intelligible, but sadly most Dutch people don't bother trying to understand even when it comes to local dialects.
But classifying Afrikaans as a separate language is fine. It's all arbitrary anyways. Dutch for example has a dialect continuum with German and we even used to call our language Duitsch until two centuries ago. A language is a dialect with a state.
And as far as cultural sentiment goes, yeah I recognise the (mutual) apathy. Which is simply a very big pity, considering how extremely different things were merely a century ago.
This was an important and thought-provoking video. This may be controversial what I am about to say. As a Black American man who has married a West African woman, I am concerned if this can be duplicated in various African communities because many chiefs (not all) throughout Africa have done nothing to improve their communities: dirt roads for decades, improper sewage, no community power since the government does not see fit to keep it stable, dilapidated schools, etc. I will definitely put into the work to make our community strong, but there is the resistance of chiefs and and greedy politicians to stop or interfere with building excellence in African communities. What can be done about this?! This will be a challenge to us, Black Americans attempting to live in Africa, our Motherland. There is only so much one can blame on colonization. Brother, great reporting!!!
So respectful! Even though I live in South Africa, I learnt things I did not know.
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As a black South African I think this is brilliant. Racist or not this is efficient and these people are building generational wealth.
lay off the crack pipe smh
The good news is that it's not racist. It's a cultural town, race has nothing to do with it.
Thank u for showing us this side of Africa we sure needed to know this information
You welcome my Queen 🙏
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Nice explaination on Orania model, I see it as a community coming together to solve their challenges in life and even the South African national anthem in it has several South African languages, that is recognition of diversity of communities making up the South African Nation, so I see nothing racist in it.
I think I must buy property or a piece of land in Orania ...the tranquility and cleanliness attracts me. Looks safe in Orania.
They don't even have 2,000 people living there yet I don't think. It's easy to keep a place that small clean and crime free......if they are still living the same way with a population of at least 50,000 I will give them their props without a doubt.
@@markhill7418It has nothing to do with the amount of people living there, history has shown that numerous times. It has to do with the culture of the residents. Have the townships in SA changed since 1994? It doesn't look like it even though you now have reverse apartheid over there, with job discrimination against whites, yet the townships are still as ghettos.
WHY? You know why. Instead of tearing down why don't you build up? You need to realise the whites in your country aren't going anywhere, just the same as the blacks over here aren't being deported back to Africa.
I like This guy in Oranjer His Proudly South African 100% AFRIKAANS STAY BLESS
This place looks incredible a community that truly care about each other and a fantastic example of what the youth need to strive toward, a brighter future for all South Africans. I find it really strange and wonder why no people of colour have chosen to live there... It looks awesome!! Much love and much respect awehness 😎❤🇿🇦
People of colour are not allowed
people of colour will destroy the place and make it like the rest of south africa
I support these folks doing what they are doing and am as black as it gets
As a black person I'm impressed, we black should also have such towns but non racial
@Bazos - I didn't pick up any racism, only self determining culture.
You do have your own such towns. Transkei for example. My question to you is.. Who is making those such towns work? Nobody.. They are in such a mess. The crime & poverty & dirt is horrendous.. Its really sad to drive through these places 😢 All of these places were run by white people & white farmers whom have now either been murdered or forced to leave. Its a shame & a total disgrace 🤷♀️
@@cynthiabarber6614 laziness
so who trades with that town outside of orania if they have their own currency??
The Ora is just a coupon system connected 1:1 with the South African Rand. Trade is somewhat similar to other towns and their surrounding communities. If you do want to open shop or work in the town there is a process but anyone can make use of their services and products such as the ambulance that often helps out the surrounding areas or shopping for groceries.
@@Chrisjan0.7They prob help other towns and get nothing in return.
And STILL criticized.
Give this place a few more years and see the development. It seems like no one knows about it now but soon everyone will. What a little self stained paradise.
It’s the same system as in townships, townships also employ people to build their homes or fix their cars….. I’m jus saying.
How is it the same system, elaborate? Mind you the people living townships didn't choose that life.
Wel done ORANIA... THE WHOLE WORLD CAN NOW SEE... THAT WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THIS WORLD WHERE CORRUPTION IS ETC IS RUNNING HIGH..
From town to the most modern and safe city in Africa, like we have had before thank you Joost.
you are crazy
@@david-arthur8166 Go to Orania and have a look yourself.
I am afraid that once it will become city, then one day enforced diversity will come to this city 🤔🤨
@@dovydasstasionis I am afraid we made sure nothing can be enforced onto the people of Orania one day like the left-wing did to SA just after 1994.
@@dovydasstasionisas soon as diversity hits there, kiss it goodbye. Nothing but trouble and crime.
Its a pity we cannot move to Orania becuase I am a English speaking South African. Two home invasions in two years. Thats no way to live in our beautiful country.😢
Actually there are non Afrikaners who have moved to Orania. The requirement is that you are willing to adapt to Afrikaner culture even if you are not originally Afrikaans.
There are English speaking South Africans who have adapted to Afrikaner culture in Orania.
Thats stupid. Weird.
@@christofferraby4712 big mistake in my opinion, anglos always ruin everything
Well, you can gather with some people you connect with, and start your own Orania.
@@christofferraby4712, there are also Germans there who have there own brewery.
This video was super interesting. I am a white English South African. I didnt understand the concept of Oranja.
Fascinating.
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As a Black South African, I don't really care about Orania. I like that the people are actually working for themselves and not exploiting anyone. But I think they need financial experts like me to help them better manage their currency😅😅
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What happened to VBS for the Venda people when ANC came in😂😂😂😂
Am sure they’re “ good”.
South Africa needs healing! People have to come together and build again.
They are not racist!