Not a salvage expert, but looks to me about 5:05 in this video is when I would tell the tug to hold station until daylight and next high tide. But im surprised by the lack of lights and support vessels, especially at night.
Seems to be once her bow was facing outboard of the beach letting her stay and putting extra pumps aboard and looking at the condition of water inlet would have been a wise move prior to pulling her into deeper water glad no one was injured in this
As a former commercial fisherman, I'd say the Susan Rose ran aground because she was running on autopilot and the guy on watch fell asleep in one of those comfy chairs everybody seems to have by their wheel. In my time you stood your watch so you couldn't fall asleep.
as a Dutch mariner , pensioned..at 70 i have to cry watching this....what a display of horrendus seamanship....what a loss of a beautiful F/V the Susan Rose....
I'll say who ever was in charge of the recovery should have attempted Dewatering, to see if the vessel had a water egress, along with a calculated water egress. One thing I've learned in towing and recovery. Never take anything for granted, plans can and frequently change, Requiring a contingency plan.
I can't believe the rescue services didn't inspect the boat and pumped all the water, check for any damage which is the cause of the water inside the boat. Weld any temporary damage to prevent the water from entering again before attempting to tow her back to sea. These unprofessional so called salvage recovery team should be held accountable for the sinking of the boat....
The vessel took a couple of hard thumps from the waves as it was going through the surf. Possibly punched the rudder upwards and/or broke the stern tube. That company ain't bunnies. Let the keyboard warriors commence.
It appeared to be a routine event until the end, no harm in the casual banter. No one was aware she would sink like that. Also sounds like there were some kids watching, probably a pretty cool event to watch for them.
@@ericboyle8296 Does not feel like super professional job. Pumping was half-assed, they were pumping over the head of a guy on the ladder then needed to bring extra pipe and fuel. Cable to the boom snapped, could have killed somebody .... Feels like some hacks that never dealt with anything larger than 40 feet
@@dmitripogosian5084 True. One Tug and a Boat US tow boat are clearly insufficient. Reminds me of the salvage in HI where they dragged a super yacht across the rocks! At least the Boat US guys acted fast to get everyone off quickly.
As soon as I saw those knuckleheads wrap that small tie-up line to the cable supporting the outrigger, I knew the outcome. There is no way that line, the outrigger, or the cable, weren't going to snap as none of them could possibly support the weight of that vessel on land to force it upright. First-time, low-bidder contractor. BTW, someone had to have fallen asleep while on watch and drove it onto the beach. Saw that happen several times as an Alaskan king crabber, back-in-the-day. Exhausted, while on watch.
most commercial boats have a watch alarm: a device which is set for usually 10 minutes or so. the person on wheel watch gets a low level sound warning and he/she must push a button before a very loud alarm goes off. i am a retired commercial fisherman and i have seen a few boats aground both north and south of the "jaws" where i live on the west coast.
As someone with a uscg towing license it is amateur that they don’t have a light on the boat they r towing. When towing a boat or barge at night one of the first things you learn is to have the proper light on the vessel being towed. Both for your Saftey and for others
Did they have any bilge pumps running before trying to refloat & during? Seeing how water was getting in it for a long time while on the beach from waves, must have had too much water in it already. Not seeing any lights means no generator was running to power the pumps. Such laziness on that boat crew to beach it & for a recovery team for not preparing it to float.
On my tug boat our bolt on keep coolers have the flanges and securing bolts in cofferdams. Each attaching bolt is inside a short pipe nipple with a cap and each liquid connection is in a large pipe with a flanged valve. You can literally rip the thing clear off the hull and as long as it doesn’t compromise the shell plating the boat won’t take on any water. If those keel coolers were not installed in that manner dragging the boat through the sand with them in the location they were was a very likely point of water ingress.
Captains will usually put there auto pilot on a heading just south of the inlet just in case they fall asleep, you'll run onto the beach instead of the rocks, happened in AC 2 years ago.
Sad to see a gallant lady succumb to the sea. The pumps needed to be running full out with the holds being made watertight. It did not look like the hull was punctured.
why would pressure be applied to the bow? the ship appears to be hard aground at an angle, with the stern and port quarter off the beach to a certain extent, while the starboard bow appears to be almost on dry sand.... pressure on the bow means dragging almost the entire ship across the sand.... a line on the stern with pressure would have almost immediately floated her off the beach... it would have then been an easy maneuver to take her under tow from the bow. if you imagine the bow being 0 degrees, its about a port turn from 0 to about 240 degrees or so to get her seaward, which would also be dragging the most vulnerable part of the vessel across the sand, while a tow from the stern, would have only been from 180 to 240 degrees, with the forward part of the hull pivoting on the sand, rather than the steering gear and prop shafts.
Until they pull it out into deeper water it’s not going to attain its centre of floatation. It will drag along the sand on its chine. They should have anticipated that, and closed up the hull, and extended the combing around the fish hold, and anywhere else the water could cause down flooding. Just hiring a guy with a tug with enough power to pull you off does not insure success. If you’ve ever seen a vessel in a dry dock that’s why they have timber sticking out from the dock wall to the side of the hull. It’s holds the ship upright as the water is pumped out of the dock and the keel is resting squarely on the keel blocks. You have to keep it upright as it transitions from its centre of floatation, to its centre of gravity. What your seeing here, could have been compounded by sand carried into the hull when it was flooding in the surf. Unless you remove that, or theoretically add more sand to counterbalance, a positive righting angle will be unobtainable. … but I’m sure those guys knew that ?
Where’s the insurance company representative? Salvage is no cure no pay. Not being there I don’t want to be too critical but this was a disaster. Tom Foster
Same thing happened in Ireland about 10 years ago except they ploughed onto the rocks so hard it distorted the bridge doors and frames so much no one could get out. They are about half a mile from harbour sadly. I think about 5 fishermen died in that event. I think they went straight onto the rocks at like 12 knots. Fell asleep on the way home from a long trip too if thats what happened here. I imagine its common enough that very many close calls happen.
The salvage company stated that they checked for water, didn't see any, and had pumps on standby. They said there was some catastrophic failure as the boat was freed from the beach
@@jerseyboats that makes sense. There might have been a stress fracture from the beaching. Once back in the water it probably gave way. I wonder if electronics should have been removed?
@@gruivis yeah looking back, that would have been a good idea. It seems that the salvage company was not expecting it to go under at all. If they thought that was a possibility, I don't think they would have had a crew on board while it was pulled off the beach. Very unfortunate but at least everyone was safe
Based on the large amount of diesel fuel that was making all the surfers sick in Manasquan that day, I’m guessing there was a leak in the boat somewhere.
Both the beaching and the sinking appear to have been entirely foreseeable and easily preventable! Whomever had the Telehandler hauling the cable is an absolute menace! This video forms a brutally stark lesson in how not to go about salvaging a beached, flooded fishing vessel... The one positive aspect is that no one was injured by the broken cable or the sinking, everything else is a matter for the Underwriters, Lawyers, Salvers and the fishing vessel Owner...
So far still remains a mystery why it beached in the first place. The salvage company said that there was some sort of catastrophic failure as it was freed from the beach which led to the sinking. We will share any updates if they come out! 👍
The sea was calm enough to wait for the next high tide in daylight. As for the other decaions made i was not there to see them. But. I did watch a crew try to pull a 90 foot viking stern first off the beach recently. So im not overly impressed with this salvage either.
"Started to list"....duh? Because the bilge was full of water, the water shifts to one side and so does the center of buoyancy. Amateurs all the way, its too infuriating to watch.
So, I guess you’re an “expert”, eh? You weren’t on scene, no direct knowledge, but ready to spout off about the cause and be judgmental about the salvage crew.
Did you miss the whole pumped the fuel and water off part? Free surface effect played a part but probably from water that was flooding in after she was pulled off, not simply what she took on sitting on the beach. A smart man would probably put his money on the rudder post shearing off as they pulled her, not much they could do to prevent it and not much they could do to prepare it for that possibility ahead of timein a meaningful way. Could have also busted a weld, snapped the prop, stove in the sea chest or about a dozen other things...
It takes a tremendous amount of water to sink one of these old fishing boats. This summer in Ocean City Maryland one of these was sunk for a fishing reef and pumped water into it for the whole afternoon and that was after cut holes in all the tanks and it was so rusty you could see through it. Water was coming up through the floor before it went down.
Almost like it had been towed to deeper water so it could sink properly,not much of a payday for the salvage crew,for a vessel that size to go that quick kinda makes you wonder did the crew look for holes or water filled hold or engine room etc or just amateurs maybe.
Maybe the shaft or rudder was damaged in the grounding and pulled out as it came off the beach. That's gonna be hard to fix on the fly and you'd only have minutes before the engine room floods. Interested to see what happened. They supposedly dived on it today, but who knows how deep they went into the vessel.
@@gary9693 I mean I haven't dived on it or seen any reports on what happened for sure......so maybe that's what happened, maybe not...just my guess. You know something different?
I made a similar comment, which may well be incorrect, but the stern was already off the beach a bit... by pulling her off by the bow, they would have then dragged the prop shaft over almost dry sand which would not have helped matters at all... it seems with the stern already laying off the beach a bit, it would have made more sense to pull her from the stern, so as to not drag the propeller shaft on the beach.... all that torsion probably wrecked the stuffing box.
You did look at the vid and paid attention. But working on tugs and around boats many years, waves would tend to push the stern down before up. That crew was going to fail any way they tried. Bow into the waves would lift and rock the boat and break it free from the sand. That boat was to heavy with water and prone to list and rock, The only chance to save it was when the bow was into the waves and the stern was still on the bottom. They ,with the proper equip, could have held until leaks were stopped and boat was sea worthy. Years ago a tug and barge hit and was stuck at the RR bridge through that same inlet, and my father was called to remove it. He refused without a specific tug that was two days away. Several companies tried while waiting for that tug to get to the site I went with him and met to deckhands that he also requested. While waiting for the slack tide we replace the tug crew and prepped the lines. At the command from my father we got ready to change the lines. When he put power on the barge moved about five feet and he told us to reset the lines. That was the key to move the barge though the bridge. Later a lot of people talked about releasing lines and then having to make them up all that could have happened if the barge hit the bridge again. That was how the correct equip and the correct crew make things happen @@xisotopex
@@gary9693 bottom line seems to be that they tore her up worse than whatever mother nature did to her.... my favorite part was when they were pulling on her outrigger to.... do something... LOL and the line or chain parted.... a good Damage Controlman could have contained a leak and pumped her dry at least long enough to get her out of there
My guess as to why she sank is that somebody doesn't know what they are doing. Same reason she ended up on the beach. Same reason that line popped off the crane.
Well thay was not ideal. Generally a boat will beach if they know they are in danger of sinking. Seems the word never got to the salvage what the issue was. Wonder who's insurance is on the hook?
Yeah still never confirmed as to why it was beached in the first place. Will be interesting to see if that ever gets released, so many theories out there
Lol easyest way is to weld a cradle around boat wait for right tide and tow back out iv seen boats insurance companys say unsalvageable come off easy as
Glad the salvage crew are save but it’s Very disappointing that the tug was apparently not in communication and as soon as the listing was to bad they should have stopped pulling! So what now? Salvage crew promised to remove so they will bring in a $M floating crane and lift it off bottom, in winter? There must be good insurance here! Since it’s a total loss now they should have just broken it up on the beach , really disappointing outcome!!!!!!! Cheers Warren
I've been watching "Deep Water Salvage" on the Weather Channel and some of these salvage people are so incompetent. I watch show after show of them doing more damage than they help. It's frustrating watching them rig and it is so obvious that the rigging is wrong and is going to fail and usually it does. I think most of them just wing it and hope for the best.
Oh dear! Salvage company? umm I hope they pay for a new boat! didn't anyone on the Susan Rose talk with the tug Captain? looks like the tug kept pulling! yeah its turning! we're coming off! oh we're taking on water! nah that's ok! we're keep pulling you into deeper water! brilliant! just brilliant!
Perhaps they realised it was leaking and grounded her before it sank. I would want to check for splits or hole before taking her from the safety of f the beach??????
she is still just about floating at @0:10 in the video, at that point a child in a motorboat could have put a line on her stern and floated her off. everybody's a critic lol...
Without pumping out the water and making sure that there is definitely no leak in the hull and there is no water supply, pull the ship off the shoal? It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake!
All characteristics of a very poorly calculated rescue operation. The boat was already sunk at the beach, all they did was to tow a sunk boat to deeper waters.
Whomever was in charge of the salvage should never be allowed to work in the salvage industry again, what a joke, the ship was already listing to port before pulling it off the beach
Pump out the water but leave everything else as is? Salvage Crew didn't think that stowage, gear, provision et al. would shift to portside while beached? or did they simply attach lines and shout "Just yank it off - it'll straighten itself out!"? Fools
The salvage team did not do a proper assessment on the stability of the vessel before towing off the beach. So much harder now to do a full submersible recovery.
You can see a hole under those numbers all the way at the bottom. Ill tell you this ive been out to sea 1 time and freaked out i had to go back to shore theres no way you're getting me out there. Visions of the titanic came to mind and i wasnt able to shake that feeling. Those men of the sea have some strong minds. I was about 18 and never could swim worrh a p1ss
Bit sad to read all the adverse comments here - if you weren't there, you can't really have a very valid opinion - and reading the actual video description certainly would correct many comments.
Thanks for tuning in, appreciate it. Still haven't heard much official information regarding why it beached in the first place and what caused it to sink. I heard there's was supposedly a dive team going out to assess the vessel, but still no future plans confirmed
In the meantime, there is still a buoy and floating line attached to the vessel which is causing a navigation hazard. So if you are boating in that area, be aware!
most likely dragging the stern across almost dry sand would have damaged the seal where the prop shafts pass through the hull, which would have allowed a considerable ingress of water...
As a commercial fisherman I blame autopilot And it's a soft sandy beach, all they need is reverse with its huge prop wash to dig its self out😅 Aslong as it is a closed circuit cooling with no raw water intake that could suck up sand
Definitely more water crashing into the boat, then they are pumping out LOL. Sure can tell that the recovery team were definitely professionals bahaha.
Not a salvage expert, but looks to me about 5:05 in this video is when I would tell the tug to hold station until daylight and next high tide. But im surprised by the lack of lights and support vessels, especially at night.
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Completely agree....lack of oversight.
Seems to be once her bow was facing outboard of the beach letting her stay and putting extra pumps aboard and looking at the condition of water inlet would have been a wise move prior to pulling her into deeper water glad no one was injured in this
Pull damaged leaking boat to deeper water…. Brilliant!
there is always room for another boat .
@@johngillon6969 lotsa bottom room.🙃
As a former commercial fisherman, I'd say the Susan Rose ran aground because she was running on autopilot and the guy on watch fell asleep in one of those comfy chairs everybody seems to have by their wheel. In my time you stood your watch so you couldn't fall asleep.
yup I am a Gulf of mexico captain. I see F/V s do this all the time no one at the helm & the F/V on auto pilot
Absolutely correct. Col Regs Part B Rule 5
Nice to know Cpt Birdseye has had his say!
Your point?@@chrischris8550
A watch alarm is a good idea
as a Dutch mariner , pensioned..at 70 i have to cry watching this....what a display of horrendus seamanship....what a loss of a beautiful F/V the Susan Rose....
i could not agree more😢
Awesome coverage! It's a shame that it ended up sinking. Can't wait to see the refloating and recovery operation that's to come. 👍
Thank you! It really is a shame this was the outcome. Fortunately, everyone involved was uninjured. We will post any updates as they come in!
3:55 at this point whoever was in charge should have made some more phone calls and gotten a better recovery team
I'll say who ever was in charge of the recovery should have attempted Dewatering, to see if the vessel had a water egress, along with a calculated water egress.
One thing I've learned in towing and recovery. Never take anything for granted, plans can and frequently change, Requiring a contingency plan.
Is there a plan to salvage it
@@johnciliberto2942 no plans yet! Will update if we hear anything
I can't believe the rescue services didn't inspect the boat and pumped all the water, check for any damage which is the cause of the water inside the boat. Weld any temporary damage to prevent the water from entering again before attempting to tow her back to sea.
These unprofessional so called salvage recovery team should be held accountable for the sinking of the boat....
u are dam right, was CLUMSY !
Low bidder? Rush to keep labor hours down?
Exactly
The vessel took a couple of hard thumps from the waves as it was going through the surf. Possibly punched the rudder upwards and/or broke the stern tube. That company ain't bunnies. Let the keyboard warriors commence.
they literally said they did all of that in the video
Nice to see everyone having such a good time with all that laughter.
It appeared to be a routine event until the end, no harm in the casual banter. No one was aware she would sink like that. Also sounds like there were some kids watching, probably a pretty cool event to watch for them.
@@ericboyle8296 Does not feel like super professional job. Pumping was half-assed, they were pumping over the head of a guy on the ladder then needed to bring extra pipe and fuel. Cable to the boom snapped, could have killed somebody .... Feels like some hacks that never dealt with anything larger than 40 feet
@@dmitripogosian5084 True. One Tug and a Boat US tow boat are clearly insufficient. Reminds me of the salvage in HI where they dragged a super yacht across the rocks! At least the Boat US guys acted fast to get everyone off quickly.
Probably the person responsible for the grounding wasn’t laughing quite as heartily as the others.😉🤣🤣
As soon as I saw those knuckleheads wrap that small tie-up line to the cable supporting the outrigger, I knew the outcome. There is no way that line, the outrigger, or the cable, weren't going to snap as none of them could possibly support the weight of that vessel on land to force it upright. First-time, low-bidder contractor. BTW, someone had to have fallen asleep while on watch and drove it onto the beach. Saw that happen several times as an Alaskan king crabber, back-in-the-day. Exhausted, while on watch.
Or beached it to keep from sinking if it was taking on water. Hard to pump out faster than the waves are coming over it..
most commercial boats have a watch alarm: a device which is set for usually 10 minutes or so. the person on wheel watch gets a low level sound warning and he/she must push a button before a very loud alarm goes off. i am a retired commercial fisherman and i have seen a few boats aground both north and south of the "jaws" where i live on the west coast.
Can confirm, the little watch alarm sounds "loud" when captain is sleeping in the wheel house and it's your turn in the chair
Commercial fisherman in Alaska for many years and I can't sleep, I have to be in the wheel house.
@chaliwen7217 oh yeah, when it gets crazy, we're all in wheel house, close the suits
As someone with a uscg towing license it is amateur that they don’t have a light on the boat they r towing. When towing a boat or barge at night one of the first things you learn is to have the proper light on the vessel being towed. Both for your Saftey and for others
i remember when that boat was built in 1977 it was orginally margaret rose name changed in 1980 to susan rose
Now it's Crackling Rose
Incorrect. Susan Rose, Kathy Rose and Margaret Rose are three different boats built for Benny Rose . I know them all.
This so dangerous. I was involved in a similar situation many years ago off the coast of Scotland. Sadly one member of the crew died.
Did they have any bilge pumps running before trying to refloat & during? Seeing how water was getting in it for a long time while on the beach from waves, must have had too much water in it already. Not seeing any lights means no generator was running to power the pumps. Such laziness on that boat crew to beach it & for a recovery team for not preparing it to float.
On my tug boat our bolt on keep coolers have the flanges and securing bolts in cofferdams. Each attaching bolt is inside a short pipe nipple with a cap and each liquid connection is in a large pipe with a flanged valve. You can literally rip the thing clear off the hull and as long as it doesn’t compromise the shell plating the boat won’t take on any water. If those keel coolers were not installed in that manner dragging the boat through the sand with them in the location they were was a very likely point of water ingress.
What was this the first time this company salved a ship? When the cable snapped from the big fork lift on beach I had a feeling.......
@vibratingstring"leased" C10 being the operative word! Could serve as an effective counterweight if rigged correctly.
Captains will usually put there auto pilot on a heading just south of the inlet just in case they fall asleep, you'll run onto the beach instead of the rocks, happened in AC 2 years ago.
Great video. Thanks for sharing this.
Thank you! 👍
It seemed to be listing terribly while still in shallow water. Was it supposed to straighten up when it got further out?
Very nice coverage of the incident.
Thank you! Thanks for watching 👍
Terrible. She was a nice looking boat and looked to be well maintained. Good to learn no lives were lost.
Seen this done correctly by fitting air bags fixed along both sides of the ship , then pulled into the water .
Not enough water depth and in the surf. Air bags would tear off. Bags might work if attached to the sides , but I think not with this crew
@@gary9693Agreed!
They should have used a qualified salvage firm, North Star Marine didn’t have a clue what they were doing.
Exactly
Sad to see a gallant lady succumb to the sea. The pumps needed to be running full out with the holds being made watertight. It did not look like the hull was punctured.
Sweet new dive spot!
Wow
Great video
Thank God
why would pressure be applied to the bow? the ship appears to be hard aground at an angle, with the stern and port quarter off the beach to a certain extent, while the starboard bow appears to be almost on dry sand.... pressure on the bow means dragging almost the entire ship across the sand.... a line on the stern with pressure would have almost immediately floated her off the beach... it would have then been an easy maneuver to take her under tow from the bow.
if you imagine the bow being 0 degrees, its about a port turn from 0 to about 240 degrees or so to get her seaward, which would also be dragging the most vulnerable part of the vessel across the sand, while a tow from the stern, would have only been from 180 to 240 degrees, with the forward part of the hull pivoting on the sand, rather than the steering gear and prop shafts.
Looks to be still full of water when they towed if off the beach.
Why not wait until the next high tide at 1pm in daylight, and use that time to properly pump out the bilge water? Or am i making too much sense?
Gyes way too much
Is that an old USCG 41 footer helping out?
Until they pull it out into deeper water it’s not going to attain its centre of floatation. It will drag along the sand on its chine. They should have anticipated that, and closed up the hull, and extended the combing around the fish hold, and anywhere else the water could cause down flooding.
Just hiring a guy with a tug with enough power to pull you off does not insure success. If you’ve ever seen a vessel in a dry dock that’s why they
have timber sticking out from the dock wall to the side of the hull. It’s holds the ship upright as the water is pumped out of the dock and the keel
is resting squarely on the keel blocks. You have to keep it upright as it transitions from its centre of floatation, to its centre of gravity. What your
seeing here, could have been compounded by sand carried into the hull when it was flooding in the surf. Unless you remove that, or theoretically
add more sand to counterbalance, a positive righting angle will be unobtainable. … but I’m sure those guys knew that ?
Could have left it on the beach as a playground attraction. Climbing on it, exploring it.
Fun for the whole family!
That imperfect storm
Where’s the insurance company representative? Salvage is no cure no pay. Not being there I don’t want to be too critical but this was a disaster. Tom Foster
Well, that did not work out as planned! Must have been a big hole somewhere, and was there a pump or 2 on board and operating when the pull-out began?
Nope
"it was obvious something was terribly wrong", yes, they called the wrong salvage crew.........😂
Same thing happened in Ireland about 10 years ago except they ploughed onto the rocks so hard it distorted the bridge doors and frames so much no one could get out. They are about half a mile from harbour sadly. I think about 5 fishermen died in that event. I think they went straight onto the rocks at like 12 knots. Fell asleep on the way home from a long trip too if thats what happened here. I imagine its common enough that very many close calls happen.
What a shame looked like a nice boat
Why didn't they patch the leak before pulling it off the beach?
The salvage company stated that they checked for water, didn't see any, and had pumps on standby. They said there was some catastrophic failure as the boat was freed from the beach
@@jerseyboats that makes sense. There might have been a stress fracture from the beaching. Once back in the water it probably gave way. I wonder if electronics should have been removed?
@@gruivis yeah looking back, that would have been a good idea. It seems that the salvage company was not expecting it to go under at all. If they thought that was a possibility, I don't think they would have had a crew on board while it was pulled off the beach. Very unfortunate but at least everyone was safe
Based on the large amount of diesel fuel that was making all the surfers sick in Manasquan that day, I’m guessing there was a leak in the boat somewhere.
4:32 starboard rolling chocks completely flattened, so ports surely are too. Welds ripped out, plenty of water ingress there alone.
Both the beaching and the sinking appear to have been entirely foreseeable and easily preventable!
Whomever had the Telehandler hauling the cable is an absolute menace!
This video forms a brutally stark lesson in how not to go about salvaging a beached, flooded fishing vessel...
The one positive aspect is that no one was injured by the broken cable or the sinking, everything else is a matter for the Underwriters, Lawyers, Salvers and the fishing vessel Owner...
Wonder if they’ll ever disclose or find out what happened.
So far still remains a mystery why it beached in the first place. The salvage company said that there was some sort of catastrophic failure as it was freed from the beach which led to the sinking. We will share any updates if they come out! 👍
yes it sank.
Probably ripped the keel coolers off.
Agree with keel pipes getting ripped off
Bilge coolers should have been able to be isolated onboard, as it was being towed and not steamed off the beach this would have been sensible anyway.
fastest bilge pump you will ever find is a man who cant swim with a 5 gallon bucket
Is it possible she could have possibly torn her hull open a little bit when she ran aground that doomed her once she got pulled off the beach?
Definitely could be possible...
Why didn't we see it the next day?
Does anyone know if they will attempt to raise her a strong storm might beach her again
Haven't heard what the plan is yet. We will update once it is confirmed!
@@jerseyboats thanks
You get the salvage crew you pay for.
The sea was calm enough to wait for the next high tide in daylight. As for the other decaions made i was not there to see them. But. I did watch a crew try to pull a 90 foot viking stern first off the beach recently. So im not overly impressed with this salvage either.
The Viking was maybe a tenth of the weight and small waves would lift it up Plus Viking props are installed in a tunnel so they would not dig in.
"Started to list"....duh? Because the bilge was full of water, the water shifts to one side and so does the center of buoyancy. Amateurs all the way, its too infuriating to watch.
So, I guess you’re an “expert”, eh? You weren’t on scene, no direct knowledge, but ready to spout off about the cause and be judgmental about the salvage crew.
Did you miss the whole pumped the fuel and water off part? Free surface effect played a part but probably from water that was flooding in after she was pulled off, not simply what she took on sitting on the beach. A smart man would probably put his money on the rudder post shearing off as they pulled her, not much they could do to prevent it and not much they could do to prepare it for that possibility ahead of timein a meaningful way. Could have also busted a weld, snapped the prop, stove in the sea chest or about a dozen other things...
It takes a tremendous amount of water to sink one of these old fishing boats. This summer in Ocean City Maryland one of these was sunk for a fishing reef and pumped water into it for the whole afternoon and that was after cut holes in all the tanks and it was so rusty you could see through it. Water was coming up through the floor before it went down.
We’re lights not allowed on this job
Almost like it had been towed to deeper water so it could sink properly,not much of a payday for the salvage crew,for a vessel that size to go that quick kinda makes you wonder did the crew look for holes or water filled hold or engine room etc or just amateurs maybe.
Maybe the shaft or rudder was damaged in the grounding and pulled out as it came off the beach. That's gonna be hard to fix on the fly and you'd only have minutes before the engine room floods. Interested to see what happened. They supposedly dived on it today, but who knows how deep they went into the vessel.
NOT MAYBE
@@gary9693 I mean I haven't dived on it or seen any reports on what happened for sure......so maybe that's what happened, maybe not...just my guess. You know something different?
I made a similar comment, which may well be incorrect, but the stern was already off the beach a bit... by pulling her off by the bow, they would have then dragged the prop shaft over almost dry sand which would not have helped matters at all... it seems with the stern already laying off the beach a bit, it would have made more sense to pull her from the stern, so as to not drag the propeller shaft on the beach.... all that torsion probably wrecked the stuffing box.
You did look at the vid and paid attention. But working on tugs and around boats many years, waves would tend to push the stern down before up. That crew was going to fail any way they tried. Bow into the waves would lift and rock the boat and break it free from the sand. That boat was to heavy with water and prone to list and rock, The only chance to save it was when the bow was into the waves and the stern was still on the bottom. They ,with the proper equip, could have held until leaks were stopped and boat was sea worthy. Years ago a tug and barge hit and was stuck at the RR bridge through that same inlet, and my father was called to remove it. He refused without a specific tug that was two days away. Several companies tried while waiting for that tug to get to the site I went with him and met to deckhands that he also requested. While waiting for the slack tide we replace the tug crew and prepped the lines. At the command from my father we got ready to change the lines. When he put power on the barge moved about five feet and he told us to reset the lines. That was the key to move the barge though the bridge. Later a lot of people talked about releasing lines and then having to make them up all that could have happened if the barge hit the bridge again. That was how the correct equip and the correct crew make things happen @@xisotopex
@@gary9693
bottom line seems to be that they tore her up worse than whatever mother nature did to her.... my favorite part was when they were pulling on her outrigger to.... do something... LOL and the line or chain parted.... a good Damage Controlman could have contained a leak and pumped her dry at least long enough to get her out of there
My guess as to why she sank is that somebody doesn't know what they are doing. Same reason she ended up on the beach. Same reason that line popped off the crane.
Salvage crew didn't see that coming. Then again neither could we. Probably should have waited till daylight.
So, that’s how it’s done, said no one ever
Was that a salvage crew or scupper crew, ??🤔🤔🤔🤔
Well thay was not ideal. Generally a boat will beach if they know they are in danger of sinking. Seems the word never got to the salvage what the issue was. Wonder who's insurance is on the hook?
Yeah still never confirmed as to why it was beached in the first place. Will be interesting to see if that ever gets released, so many theories out there
I think I've seen this vessel in pt judith.
Awesome footage here. Insurance Co.
will view this you'd think. Idk...something just seems off from the start of this entire ordeal.
3:59 this is the Sign that shites about to go south
but then....this is JERSEY
I would be one of those guys running up and down the ladder with the sea overtopping my boots.
Lol easyest way is to weld a cradle around boat wait for right tide and tow back out iv seen boats insurance companys say unsalvageable come off easy as
What happened to having some lights so you can see 🤦♂️🤦♂️
They were using their phone torches .
Glad the salvage crew are save but it’s Very disappointing that the tug was apparently not in communication and as soon as the listing was to bad they should have stopped pulling! So what now? Salvage crew promised to remove so they will bring in a $M floating crane and lift it off bottom, in winter?
There must be good insurance here!
Since it’s a total loss now they should have just broken it up on the beach , really disappointing outcome!!!!!!!
Cheers Warren
I've been watching "Deep Water Salvage" on the Weather Channel and some of these salvage people are so incompetent. I watch show after show of them doing more damage than they help. It's frustrating watching them rig and it is so obvious that the rigging is wrong and is going to fail and usually it does. I think most of them just wing it and hope for the best.
Oh dear! Salvage company? umm I hope they pay for a new boat! didn't anyone on the Susan Rose talk with the tug Captain? looks like the tug kept pulling! yeah its turning! we're coming off! oh we're taking on water! nah that's ok! we're keep pulling you into deeper water! brilliant! just brilliant!
Perhaps they realised it was leaking and grounded her before it sank. I would want to check for splits or hole before taking her from the safety of f the beach??????
Can't read the caption's😢
Bad news for Manasquan Inlet these past few months
Let’s start with the definition of salvage. Okay, nobody read that one.
I’m no Sailor and I haven’t been on an
Boat since around 1980 something,
But,… 6500 gallons of fuel pumped out ?
I don’t think so !
O my gosh!
she is still just about floating at @0:10 in the video, at that point a child in a motorboat could have put a line on her stern and floated her off.
everybody's a critic lol...
Without pumping out the water and making sure that there is definitely no leak in the hull and there is no water supply, pull the ship off the shoal? It's worse than a crime, it's a mistake!
All characteristics of a very poorly calculated rescue operation.
The boat was already sunk at the beach, all they did was to tow a sunk boat to deeper waters.
Whomever was in charge of the salvage should never be allowed to work in the salvage industry again, what a joke, the ship was already listing to port before pulling it off the beach
Great recovery
Who had the bright idea not to have enough pumps and no air bags around the vessel? They were not too bright.
my cousin was on that boat when it sank. he was the first one rescued.
Did he ever say why it beached in the first place?
No because he was asleep during Thanksgiving. That's usually when we go to our aunt's house and talk with family.
But I'm sure I can ask him
Pump out the water but leave everything else as is? Salvage Crew didn't think that stowage, gear, provision et al. would shift to portside while beached? or did they simply attach lines and shout "Just yank it off - it'll straighten itself out!"? Fools
SÓ AMADORES
The salvage team did not do a proper assessment on the stability of the vessel before towing off the beach. So much harder now to do a full submersible recovery.
Yeah they had it beached why didn't they repair the ship before launch
Only time and fair judgement can ascertain who wins the Biggest Boob of the Year Trophy!
Stay tuned!
As a boat refloating mission that was bad skills, a belt and braces approach should have been adopted to prevent the end result.
Should have left the boat on the beach. From how quick the boat sank there must have been basketball size holes in the hull. Didn't even get 50 yds
You can see a hole under those numbers all the way at the bottom.
Ill tell you this ive been out to sea 1 time and freaked out i had to go back to shore theres no way you're getting me out there.
Visions of the titanic came to mind and i wasnt able to shake that feeling.
Those men of the sea have some strong minds.
I was about 18 and never could swim worrh a p1ss
Bit sad to read all the adverse comments here - if you weren't there, you can't really have a very valid opinion - and reading the actual video description certainly would correct many comments.
Seen earlier how she was raised after a year , kinda sad to see her like this before and now way after .
Well, I feel lovely.😇
Amateurs, first rule don’t make the situation worse.
It is safe to stay on ground as long a the hull is not ready to float .....
I wonder if there was a breach in the hull or loss of engine power? Any plans currently as to recovery? Great video. Never saw your channel before.
Thanks for tuning in, appreciate it. Still haven't heard much official information regarding why it beached in the first place and what caused it to sink. I heard there's was supposedly a dive team going out to assess the vessel, but still no future plans confirmed
In the meantime, there is still a buoy and floating line attached to the vessel which is causing a navigation hazard. So if you are boating in that area, be aware!
most likely dragging the stern across almost dry sand would have damaged the seal where the prop shafts pass through the hull, which would have allowed a considerable ingress of water...
Probably broke its back dragging it around with keel in the sand
Fellas....what the heck
One way to turn a bad situation worse
She is still on the beach according to AIS
Safety , let's do it at night , lol
As a commercial fisherman
I blame autopilot
And it's a soft sandy beach, all they need is reverse with its huge prop wash to dig its self out😅
Aslong as it is a closed circuit cooling with no raw water intake that could suck up sand
😎🇺🇸🏴☠️🧜With the theme to “Jaws” playing in the background 🦈🌊
Definitely more water crashing into the boat, then they are pumping out LOL. Sure can tell that the recovery team were definitely professionals bahaha.
What a CF. Pink slips will be in the mail.
Well, there is a bloody great rusty hole in the starboard side. Guess nobody was looking at that
Those are keel coolers for the engines
@@mylifeisdope916 Well, they're properly cooled now.
They should have had some massive pumps running before they attempted to pull that vessel