House of the Dragon 2x1 REACTION & REVIEW | A Son for a Son
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- Westeros is on the brink of a bloody civil war as the Green and Black Councils take up arms for King Aegon and Queen Rhaenyra, respectively.
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when Daemon puts the hoodie on you know someone getting murked period lol
Hoodie Daemon is the best Daemon
B&C wasn't "ruined". It's the vocal minority of purists who spent 2 years desperately trying to shape perception & sabotaging a good show for not making their sports team come off as flawless heroes & the other team as irredeemable disney villains. Yet to see a single casual reactor who was not moved. Without the book baggage this would be considered brilliant. Like Daemon mentions how Aemond is a great fighter & smirks when asked what happens if they can't find Aemond. It was obv he knew it was an impossible mission. It seems like a lot of fans can't even catch a simple subtext unless it's dumbed down & bluntly spoonfed. Some of the best parts of this ep were the political intrigue, underscoring logistics of war, the economics of blockade. Everyone paranoid & trying to sway the king. Otto & Alicent on one side but not quite together as Alicent keeps being undermined by the men in her life. Larys on the other side. Aemond & Criston on another side. These subtle political machinations are things D&D can't even dream of doing. The "farewell to peace" parallel with Rhaenyra at the funeral & Alicent at the Sept was another poignant moment.
As for B&C, HOTD just plays these moments differently to GOT. Less about shock, more about creeping unease. Part of watching GoT was about watching other people reacting in horror, surprise, etc. With HOTD I don't feel the pull to watch people shouting at the screen because it would only feel forced. HOTD had so many moments in S1 where it could have gone for a sharp stab a la GoT but instead made sure to play things out slowly. It's less interested in displays of brutality & more interested in the impact on the bigger picture. GoT (& Breaking Bad) was about dramatic moments. Hotd (& Better Call Saul) is more about everything around those moments & plays them out in a way that feels slower, less brutal & more bleak & dread. GoT had so many moments where it stabbed, even if you saw the knife coming. HOTD is more interested in digging its nails & slowly pulling a wound open.
All these "bring back D&D" posts just makes me know that a lot of so-called purists didn't hate GoT's cheap, gawdy, shock value spectacle writing, what they hated was their self-insert (Dany, Jon or Stannis) not sitting the throne. I LOVED the restraint on B&C. This was peak bleak, dread soaked gothic horror. The creeping horror of the haunting soundtrack with the cutting & sawing noises. The "emotional impact" the MCU brain wanted was heavy-handed head chopping gratuitous violence. But unsettling silent terror will always be more disturbing than gory theatrics & bright Bridgerton colors that some fans complain about! The book's B&C is an overly sadistic creative writing exercise of cartoon villains (makes sense considering it's made by fictional 'historians'). The extended psychological torment of Helaena strains credibility as B&C had no personal vendetta against her & were risking their own skin playing games in the Red Keep during a war. The show exchanges gore for dread, presents it as a straightforward hit, with the grim realism underscoring the urgency & perilous stakes B&C was in. The banality of evil instead of a Machiavellian plot makes it scarier.
It's easy to write a woman screaming & throwing up. But the brutally real pain, terror & despair Phia managed using only her eyes is more impactful. Helaena's freeze frame reaction was on point with her cassandra character & it was devastating. The total silence surrounding b&c & its aftermath made it even more jarring. Ofc Helaena called Jaehaerys “the boy”as she was traumatized & mimicking the speech of b&c. Her offering the necklace was brilliantly upsetting & endearing cause it shows she was too sheltered to realize what b&c wanted. But then you can pinpoint the exact moment when the switch goes off. It's like she has this moment of realization about what she prolly already foresaw. A look of quiet panic & resignation sets in. You can clearly see her dissociating. she didn't even realize that she got down the stairs. The first place her feet takes her is her mother's room for comfort. To wake her up from a nightmare which was alas too real.
Helaena had to give up her son because if she tried to trick them, they'd have killed her and both kids....Cheese threatened as much with the knife to her throat...
I think Helaena was sewing her her own veil for the funeral (or some other funeral attire) when Aegon was asking Jahaerys' whereabouts and she said she's afraid of the rats :(
why didn't they just poke the kids parts to find out? I get that in the book they did it out of cruelty, but here, it didn't seem like they were trying to be unnecessarily cruel so they should've just restrained the queen and done the deed.
@rexibhazoboa7097 HBO would never cuz the thought of that is horrendous
@rexibhazoboa7097 they didn't have to poke any parts, Cheese saw she was telling the truth. No matter how it played out, the son was going to die. It was either just him (which is why Helaena pointed him out) OR all 3 of them. Also, you want to add child molestation to an already fkd up scene?? Nahhh, just hearing the decapitation was awful enough for most....
@@rexibhazoboa7097 it will be easy. They wanted the mother to choose and it’s more f-up for me
Aegon doesn’t remind me of Joffrey at all
Right? People just be saying shit.
Unlike Joffrey, Aegon isn't a sadist. Not yet, anyway.
Saying that in a scene where he’s trying to be nice to a random farmer is crazy
Yeah I think what happened is they (the showrunners) realized the rape scene from season one was unnecessary and wasn’t even in the book. So they decided to go the route of aegon flying to be a good king but the death of his son drives him to mad with anger/grief
@leeshropshire6346 There were rumors in the book.
I’m with you Mair. None of these characters are truly right or truly wrong. Everyone played a part in how things turned out. Alicent isn’t the only person here with flaws. It would be close-minded not to be able to see the whole picture.
My only thing with Alicenf is how she’s tryna blame Aemon, but she started this war when she usurped the throne.
@@stevemarshall3508 I get you, but Alicent is right (mostly). The real war hadn't started before Lucerys death. It was only the War of Ravens or whatever its called - each side searching for who their allies are. It seems that the Green Council's plans were to bring the entire realm or the majority to their side, just enough to over power the Black Council so much that fighting a war would be a suicide mission. When Aemond drew first blood (his intentions do not matter), the war of ravens ended and the real war began. Therefore, Aemond holds some responsibility for the Dance.
@@stevemarshall3508 I can see how some look at it that way, but I feel like other people had more of a say in that matter than she did.
@@najeewattz2646 nah ultimately she could have put a stop to it if she didn’t interpret the words of a dying man to what she wanted to hear. As if her son is the only aegon in history or the only current aegon alive at the time
@@stevemarshall3508 this is a strange interpretation considering 1x09 specifically showed the council planned to usurp the throne even without alicent’s misinterpret words. alicent literally called the whole council out for doing that all in secret behind her back and stopped the council from killing rhaenyra immediately. team black blames way too much stuff on her when it is clearly more the fault of others. it’s getting old.
The White Worm doesn't play both sides. She plays only one side - her own.
In terms of morality, she has tried to do more good deeds than black and green. So definitely on her side.
Vhagar is one of the original dragons that came to Westeros during the conquest, it used to be riden by Visenya, sister of Aegon the Conquerer. So for her wings to have holes is probably due to age and the wars it battled...
Sophie’s analysis is always so spot on.
when Blood and Cheese asked Daemon what they should do if we cant find Aemon, Daemon gave them a long look and the scene cut away - so basically Daemon told them if u cant find Aemon, bring me another son’s head
The showrunners said he didn't order the death of Aegon's son. Blood and Cheese made that decision, so stop spreading bs
@@Chasingdreams25 Why are the showrunners saying shit and not implying it in their show? Are they amateurs?
@@Chasingdreams25 He did in the book. I doubt that Daemon didn't have a backup plan; he had to know that Aemond would be hard to find, also hard to kill.
Vhagar shouldn’t be Aemond’s? Fr? Dragons don’t get passed on within family like jewelry 😅
A dragon is nobody’s property. Aemond had all rights to claim Vhagar .
he literally had no right to claim them kids mother dragon on her funeral night bye
@@svpcrnlyjust like rhaenyra and daemon having sex the same night??? Cause that was disrespectful
@@svpcrnlydelulu black detected womp womp
These people think a dragon is a Kia that can be stolen, Jesus.
@@csinne And it was such a dry sex scene at that. Aemond at least gave us dope music and visuals (ignoring the darkness). Uncle and niece gave us coarse sand..
I appreciate we’re starting to see some understanding on both sides of the conflict with you two cause otherwise it gets a little boring w/ reactions.
Well only Mair...
@@jema.flores na definitely Sophie😊
23:23
"I want Aemond Targaryen" in that context clearly means "I want him dead"
Of course, a child could get to understand this.
Right on track that was a Easter egg they gone be shocked 😂
Even if it doesn't mean that, Rheanyra looking straight at Daemon, her murderous husband, should tell people what exactly she means.
@Mair Every 10th member of the Nightwatch was a Stark at that time
No he says one out ten from the household is selected every winter. I’m sure they still fill the ranks with criminals and volunteers as well.
Aenond is in line. Now he's Aegon's heir the way Daemon was Viserys' heir.
I have a hard time understanding how Alicent doesnt get more sympathy. She has been a victim the entire series, more so than anyone else. She is a widow now, throughout history, widows have had more leniency in cultural norms because they have served their time. She was a great wife and did her duties to Viserys. Now she is her own woman and can bang whomever she chooses. Daemon is all about Daemon, he is a monster. He thrives in chaos and war is the most chaos there is, so he wants constant war. Helaena knew the son was dying no matter what, she had already sewn her funeral veil, all she could do was save herself and the other kid. I think the necklace is going to play a big role in identifying the killer. That is why she offered it, when they find a guy with that necklace, he is identified.
She was a victim but now she is a grown ass adult still doing dumb shit like stand up or sumn following daddy like a puppy dog at the big age of 30.
Because these people are misogynist. That's the only answer but only towards the WOMEN they don't like. They claim this false feminism only to defend Rhaenyra (turning a blind eye to all her mistakes) but because they hate ALICENT then it's easier for them to show their true colours. 💚💚💚
If you support team green it shouldn’t be because of Alicent it’s because of Aegon that’s showing your true color I don’t support Rhaenyra because she a Women I support her because she was named Heir and they stole that from her because she is a Women that’s misogynist.
@@mikaylagore1174 I dont support either side. They are all terrible. None of them care at all about the people. Only their own desires and games of power.
Alicent was a victim of her father for a long time. But when her father left, she poured the same toxicity into her own children. Being a victim doesn't give you a right to continue the cycle of abuse. It led to her son trying to smash in his cousin's skull. The xousin fought back, her son lost an eye, and the only thing she could stutter was that she wanted to cut out another child's eye. She's not a good mother.
Not all the men on the Wall are Starks. There was a tradition before than 1 out of 10 men from the Starks family had to go to the Wall.
I think they tried to show Aegon is nothing like Joffrey. He's happy, and trying to be a good king at least.
After 1 episode, id prefer him over Daemon.
But when he walks into helaenas room, the female servants look scared so…there’s still that aspect of him.
@@quinn9074 true... I noticed that. He seemed to love his son though which will make him definitely want revenge for his murder. The point is the show and the characters are very good... if you just looking at it as team black vs green, you're missing out.
@@penguin8711 I don’t see it as blacks vs greens to be fair, however I do like certain characters more due to their “crimes” being less morally wrong and them just genuinely being interesting.
Aegon is a grapist.
@@quinn9074 Also, when Daemon storms towards the white warm, he reaches out his hands to her neck and she instinctively catches his wrists, then he yanks it away in anger. That shows us that Daemon probably choked her on multiple basis like he did to Rheanyra in ep 10. Love the way the writers show the character relations very subtly.
4:07 1- Why shouldn't Vhagar be Aemond's? he tamed the biggest Dragon alive at just 10 years old. I think many still don't understand that you can't steal a dragon, and that it's the dragon that chooses its rider. If he has the strongest dragon alive, it's because the dragon wanted him as its rider. You can't adopt a dragon.
2- Blood and cheese was much worse in the books, it's a shame it wasn't adapted correctly.
It’s so different I’m concerned with the rest of the show now
Well it's His Dragon because vheagar choose him.
when did u guys first realize book and show canon aren’t the same. last week? we knew this since game of thrones and that shit ended years ago
@@Wolfhunter5607 thats all fine and good but if its not going to follow the book then dont put “based on fire and blood” in opening credits
@@ganjahiwalker2641 based on blood and fire which is told by an unreliable people. if u don’t believe me just look up if blood and fire has reliable sources
If Aemond killed Lucerys then Daemon killed Aegon's son. Also Aegon is not Joffey, he wanted to return the sheep and he was generous with that smith lol...
Aegon just has a people pleasing trait lol. Could be good, could be bad...
The creator of the show came out and said Daemon didnt order the offing of the kid...That, that decison was completely on blood and cheese
@@daniellaaa24 I'm stressing the huge difference with Joff- In that scene it was good...
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 What the director said doesn't matter, but if we apply the same logic then intent doesn't matter as Aemond in the show didn't intend to kill Lucerys. If Aemond is guilty, Daemon is too.
@@Mutazili Creator..Not director..and they made the show..So it does matter..
What doesnt matter is whatever imagined
I agree with Mair also Alicent never had a chance she had to follow her father’s demands and Marry Visery also Her kids have same hair to show they are Targaryens while Rhaenyra kept do everything and Visery would have excuses for her and her sons are bastards,even though she was married
She had a chance to better raise her children tho. But she failed. She didn't love them and now those kids are grown to be terrible people. And despite raising bastards, Rhaenyra at least loves her children and have raised them well. So stop being biased you clown.
Even tho she was married? Her husband was gay and couldn't do shit. And now Alicent is showing how hypocritical she is by fucking Criston, same thing she blamed Rhaenyra for. Stop acting stupid.
WTF lol. Aegon literally loves his son and want to make him happy, also he really wanted to give poor guy back his sheep and agreed to paid smiths and you still comparing him to Joffrey🤡
Right? Wild.
What about his other kids in the fighting pits? Poor them
@@Shiera_Seastar_he probably doesn’t even know they exist? Robert had hella bastards too.
@@Shiera_Seastar_ nobody is perfect. Joffrey was literally pure evil
@@elpoodoo3099 well aegon stans love to paint aegon as a loving father… I’m just asking about his other kids. That are most definitely a product of rape, just like his kids with his sister. If aegon is a rapist that has his kids fighting in pits n he’s not evil. What is he ? Misunderstood ?😂
Aegon ain’t no Joffrey bro 😂
Yes..... joffrey wasn't a r*pist....
No, he’s worse Eventually 😂
@@Rash23215right lol what is OP thinking?
@@JermrantsSo is yk who by the end as well he’s not in the show but they should have just made Daeron King he’s the only nice person in the whole conflict probably why he got removed from the show he was also capable and strong and probably would have made a good ruler
@@daquaviousbingleton9763 Sara Hess doesn't want any white male in a good role, she's a lez femnazi who hates Daemon's character with a passion.
I wish blood and cheese was a little more gruesome like the books but whatever. What I love though is the parallel with Helaena and her daughter walking the same path/ distance to her mother as in season 1 when Alicent made Rhaenyra walk to her chambers right after she gave birth to baby Joff. The blood trail of a son being born and another dying
I like your acknowledgment of how just seeing beyond the Wall took Jace’s breath away. It made me think about how George Martin was inspired to create the Wall by Hadrian’s Wall, built by the Roman Army in the North of England in the first century. Martin was visiting Hadrian’s Wall and said it made him think about how the soldiers patrolling it would have seen it as the end of the civilized world. As at that time anything beyond the exploration of your civilization was thought of as a realm of savages and monsters.
i like how sophie was absolutely beaming while watching a child get killed. these traumatic GoT scenes are fun now, ppl should just chill
"F' them kids"😂
"Fudge them kids"
"Fudge them kids"
You said of Alan “he didn’t want it”
There is a reason to pay attention to that
i was thinking the same thing lol
Y’all I’ve been waiting for your reaction!!!
“The did something to Rhaenyra & did nothing to reprimand it” kinda like how Lucerys slashed out Aemond’s eye & faced no consequences. At least Alicent wrote letter & sent a prayer up for the boy. I just feel like lots of ppl on team black are hypocrites. Aemond got his eye slashed out and yall gloss over it like it’s not horrific but when Aemond “accidentally” killed Lucerys, he’s a psychopath?😂😂😂
But wasn’t aemond about to smash Jace’s head with a rock tho? Luke was trying to save his brothers life.
Aemond was about to smash another kid's head in with a rock. No one reprimanded that. Aegon bullied his cousins into bullying Aemond. No one reprimanded that.
Otto is responsible for all of this. He groomed is daughter into a marriage where she pitted siblings against one another, cousins against one another, and Viserys played favorites.
lmao alicent lighting a candle don’t mean shit
@@GolemGomz45 they literally jumped him??
@@DanielleVlog365 his cousins jumped him 4v1.. who wouldn’t pick up a rock.. also Jace/Luke had a knife.
As aemond was starting to put the rock down Luke slashed it out because he was called a bastard. I agree Otto & Viserys are to blame for all of this
the wiffe is a dreamer like the daughter of the ffirst Aegon's daughter, whho told the family to flee old Valeria and eventually concor Westeros
2:10
The narration says 1 in 10 from their household. Including their kin.
This might sound like 1 in 10 Starks are sent to the wall.
But no, it just means that 1 in 10 people who are employed by, or work under the Starks, including the Starks themselves, are sent to the wall.
Aegon is definitely different than Joffrey😂
The disrespect to compare Tywin to the inept Otto
The rule remains the same in Winterfell. It was Jon Snow that was sent to the wall
Alicent is wrong cause she always planned to put her son on the throne...She didnt need her husband to say anything..Thats just the excuse she uses..Alicent said multiple times he was next on the throne..Long before the king died.
Everyone in the show use stupid excuses to justify their actions.
Aegon is trying to compensate for having been neglected by his father by spoiling his little boy rotten. Neither approach - neglecting a kid or spoiling one - is a good idea, particularly when the child in question is positioned to have great power as an adult. (Rhaenyra also spoiled at least her two oldest sons) But there was still a chance that little Jaehaerys, who was only four years old, could have been better educated later to overcome his father's foolishness. Sadly, we'll never know, the child was not allowed to grow up...
I feel Larys Strong knows everything in the Castle by talking to the rats or some because after last season aswell they were showing rats every important scenes and now they’re even more and we never saw he talked to someone or has someone to spy others and he does look like rat 😂
Aegon told the small folk that he was going to send Vagar to burn the blockade anyways. He was already planning to attack.
Missed you guys 😂 Sophie ily please don't change 😂 team black 🖤 btw the first punch was the death of Luke.
There's nothing like Aemond wasn't the one that supposed to get vhagar, there's no inheritance on dragons. You ride which ever one you claim , that accepts you. Daemon rides rhany's father's dragon while rhanys rides daemon's moms dragon. Vhagar used to belong to Aemond's grandfather. It's all the same family.
No it would have been “worse” (I mean strategically better) if they killed Aemond
He is the team greens big nuke - the thing the Blacks don’t have
Killing Aemond would have given the Blacks a far advantage since Veghar is equal to having 4 killer dragons and Aemond is a better fighter one on one than anyone I’ve seen on the show so far (including Daemond)
Killing the heir is an act of antagonism whereas killing Aemond is war tactics
we haven’t seen Aemond fight anyone. just train with cole
@@Wolfhunter5607and he beat him.
@@naseemaveasey4807 it was training but yes i think he can beat cole in a real fight. that’s all we’ve seen of Aemond so far tho
@@Wolfhunter5607 i agree. i was tryna say that we saw that Aemond could beat Cole in a fight and Cole has beaten daemon. i think daemon vs aemond would a good match
@@naseemaveasey4807 tbh i think daemon would body cole too if it’s not in a tournament. i think they’re the 3 best but cole is 3rd, we’ll see
@Mair and @Sophie that was a sawing sound. Sound like they were sawing something maybe the head of the son as proof.
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The kid they killed is the heir next in line for the king. Yes he is the grandson, but he is still an important kill
If we had to compare I would liken Otto to Tywin (Mair says this a few seconds after I posted lol)
im definitely team sophie on this one!! were not gonna act like Aemond's action (regardless of his intentions) killed that boy. it does not matter what he wanted, the fact is his dragon killed him. and a simple sorry wont do jack shit about it. Alicent is just a good character stuck on the wrong side imo.
That ending is the beginning of the disaster that’s about to come.
Anyone else wondering who will be "the hand of the queen"?
One out of ten from the Stark household (so obviously Starks and some none Starks included). And that’s once a winter, so not enough to fill the ranks, they would still need to send criminals and others.
I’m def team black too but I totally appreciate Mairs ability to look at both sides bc it’s not as plain and simple as Sophie says it is lol she’s become a little to biased to see the other side of things
👀 You looking compromised 😂
9:30 I kinda agree, but Otto isn't as bold as Tywin and Aegon is not as cruel as Joffrey
Lucerys' death was entirely Aemond's fault. You set your gigantic war-dragon on a younger kid and his juvenile dragon, to pursue and attack them, and then your dragon kills them after the little dragon tries to defend himself and his rider the only way he knew how, and obviously you are responsible. It would be second-degree or first-degree murder in the modern America, I think, if some young hothead with a cranky ex-military dog set his dog to harass a younger boy with his Cairn Terrier puppy and the puppy nipped at the bigger dog's leg and the big dog pulled loose of his leash and attacked the boy and the pup and killed them, excuses of "I didn't mean to kill him' wouldn't go very far.
They killed the king's son and we don't know WHAT Daemon told them to do if they couldn't find Aemond. Rhae Rhae should have made her intentions clearer.
He clearly said “A son for a son”? Blood legit states it: “A son for a son, he said”. Basically, if they couldn’t find Aemond, they’d kill Aegon’s son. That’s something Daemon approved of, but Rhaenyra made it clear she wanted Aemond and only him.
@@lynnraven6101 Rhae- Rhae- didn't say WHAT she wanted done with Aemond & when Cheese asked what he should do if he couldn't find Aemond, (on the show), Daemon looked at him and then they cut away. I definitely plan on reading the books when it is done...and yes, I heard a son for a son but every male is someone's son. Not sure if you referred to a book reference in your response. I really hope not for they would be considered spoilers. God willing, I'll be around to see the after effects. Great show! I'm curious where Criston will say he was during all this.
@@Keedeeg Daemon was foolish to act on his own though. Rhaenyra wanted Aemond. For what, well, you can argue that wasn’t clarified, but Daemon allowing something else to happen completely, someone else to be killed that isn’t Aemond and definitely not what Rhaenyra asked for. Rhaenyra didn’t say “a son for a son”, she wanted vengeance for Lucerys, which meant Aemond ONLY.
I was told by others that it’s different in the book, but I won’t tell you how since you’re going to read it. I hope you enjoy it! And yes, I’m also curious about the aftermath of this :)
Aemond is going to be king after he kills his brother since he in next in line
She’s a dreamer she seen that he was not go have a good life🙏rip to him but……RIP to team black
Why would Aegon remind you of Joffrey, joffrey was sadistic and evil through and through 😮
Criston Cole holds a record he had it with Emilia Clarke in Last Christmas, Rhaenyra Targaryen and Alicent Hightower man is a legend 🤣🤣. But I can't stand Criston Cole hate him such a piece of nonsense. I am team black and the only green I like is Helaena Targaryen I feel for her no mother should loose their baby that way. Technically Aemond did kill Lucerys the moment he teased him with a dragon 100 times bigger than Arrax his actions made both dragons agitated and angry which led to Lucerys death.
I want Amond! Well get on your dragon and go get him! I'm sure he'd welcome all challengers
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Hey guys🖐🏼🖐🏼I literally was looking out for your guys on a daily basis.i was so happy to see you both. I couldn’t wait for your outlook to this 2nd season HOD❤
like both of you even tho in the series the crimes of the blacks are really more likable than the books (in the books u really almost cant choose) but like when u argue its the same situation with my girlfriend hahha
She wanted Aemond dead or Alive lol that’s it they took what they can get 😢 it’s goin down from here on out 😂🔥
Team green for the win
Team black just evened the score board 🔥
Lool period Sophie. Stand on Rhaenyra business! 😤😂
lmao daemon is my fav character. i support everything he did. what a badass. when daemon is letting loose, you know fun things are about to happen. team black all the way
It’s gonna be more than just conflicts, I would go to war if someone beheaded my sleeping, innocent and defenseless little child. The most cowardly and disgusting thing you could do.
Aegon has all rights to declare war now.
I'm choosing sides and I'm team Black. When Daemon's crime hoodie is on you know shit is going down.
Please React To Breakdown - 1997.
How is Cole and Alicent hooking up now make them hypocrites? Both single. Neither one supposed to be queen! Whats the problem?
So was Criston supposed to be guarding Helena and the kids instead dippin his wick? I think questions will be asked about his whereabouts.
Team green here your not supposed to really take side thank you maid for using more logic about the show rather than just disliking a character for no reason
I mean they marketed it as choosing a side soo you can understand both sides and still choose a side.
@@purplequeen833 yeah but just because something is marketed as such doesn’t mean that’s what’s true they mostly do alicent vs rhaenyra even tho the dance is mostly about Aegon and rhaenyra
@@bonedragonvids7791 I mean interpret it as you will 🤷🏾♀️
@@purplequeen833 I got the book day after season one and read there playing up this woman vs women thing when tbh neither one of them had a role fr rhaenyra in books just sat around gained weight and yelled at people which is why she gets betrayed so much and alicent maybe has like 20 lines in the book that are noteworthy
@@bonedragonvids7791 But I thought the book was an unreliable source because it was written by maestors? We never really got anyone else's pov in the book. The author said that the show are based on more on the true events. But even I'm not going off the book I'm going off the show.
Can't believe I've just discovered Maergary Tyrell was a Hightower
@Mair and @Sophie Daemon is convinced that the Hightowers killed his brother Viserys. Then they usurped the throne from Rhaenary, then they killed Lucerys. And all of that happened without retaliation from Rhaenary side.
So that's why he feels justified to kill the kid and his entire family?
The creator of the show came out and said Daemon didnt order the offing of the kid...That, that decison was completely on blood and cheese
no he didn’t, that’s a lie.
Except, that’s how it goes down in the book. Argon’s heir was the primary target in the book.
@amykate4459 The showrunners literally said that tf is wrong with you
@meganmendoza468 Yeah because the maesters in the Citadel in Old Town could hear the conversation between Daemon and Blood and Cheese in Flea Bottom 😂😂😂😂
@@meganmendoza468 yeah but the show is based off the book..Not an exact match..
Black team will pay for that. Rhaenyra and Daemon should be 100% responsible for what their killers do.
The creator of the show came out and said Daemon didnt order the offing of the kid...That, that decison was completely on blood and cheese
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 Then they shouldnt have sent killers to kill the royal family, that´s on them by culpability, besides doesnt matter what they said offscreen coz thats their personal opinion, in that scene you saw clearly when Daemon said a son for a son, what if we cant find him, he stayed with his mouth shut giving them to understand a son for a son is the plan b, well a sond for a son like blood said, that was the plan b, even a monkey would understand that and certainly blood and cheese did and their choice in which of those son was for them to choose but Still Daemon is the main one to blame, then, thats what you dont get.
@@mekareactsandreviews3026source?
@@mekareactsandreviews3026 tell him to put it in his show next time instead of telling us
I think we need to watch a quick SEASON 1 recap
For me, I waited 2 years and even I had to loll😭
Forgetting/mixing up just a few important details about the blacks and greens.
Sophie's right about how even after Viserys' is death, remember in SZN 1, the greens were already plotting to put Aegon on the throne AND assassiate Rhaenyra💀, but Alicent refused this plan and sent a letter instead. Team black were NEVER going to attack, because the 2 old friends both didnt want that. BUT, right before any type of peace could be made, Team Green *indirectly* killed Lucerys. Yes, it was an unfortunate, but provoked, accident. However, its still ALL their (greens) faults combined lol.
So Daemon now thinks they indirectly killed his brother Viserys, and his step child. He is rightfully MADDD. They've also unleashed the beast that is Daemon Targaryen.😵 His wrath has officially begun
I’m team green but i like some team black members. I just feel like Rhaenyra should’ve been smarter. She blamed Alicent for marrying Viserys and treated her like shit for a year, just to plead on their friendship when deceiving her about having sex. She knew her claim to the throne would be challenged but continued to have multiple bastards & move to dragonstone. The whole situation at Driftmark was the catalyst of the Dance & showed Alicent that Otto was right all along. Her children would always be in danger or put on the back burner when it comes to Rhaenyra & her lies. I don’t think Lucerys deserved to die but him maiming Aemond & not facing consequences drew the line in the sand.
- She blamed Alicent for marrying Viserys as she should, and she didn't treat her like trash (you can't even back this up with a scene) she ignored her, again, as she should.
- Rhaenyra doesn't owe Alicent anything (especially her sexual life) yk since a certain friend was visiting her best friend's newly widowed father in the middle of the night to seduce him and now that said friend didn't just seduce but succeeded in it and became her best friend's stepmother 🤢
- Rhaenyra kept having children because it was her duty to have more children to secure her line the same way Viserys and Aemma kept trying for more children and by the way
Rhaenyra had bastard children because her dumbass father fell for the seduction of Alicent Hightower and chose her over Laena Velaryon which ruined his relationship with Corlys so he used his daughter and married her off to her (very well known) gay cousin to redeem himself with Corlys.
- Dragonstone is the seat of the heir, so what's the point of bringing this up especially since she only did that because Alicunt and Crispy were throwing shade at her and her children at any chance they got.
- Did Aemond get punished for hitting Jace? (Rhaenyra's heir)
Did he get punished for disrespecting the Velaryons inside their house? Did he get punished for breaking Luke's nose? Did he get punished for beating up the girls? Did he get punished for calling them bastards? Did Aegon? Did Alicent for hinting at it multiple times? Did any of the greens lost their tongue for calling the boys bastards? Did Alicent get punished for attacking the heir? Did Crispin get punished for sleeping with Rhaenyra? Did he get punished for killing a noble? Did he get punished for hitting Laenor (the heir's prince council at that time)?? Did Aegon get punished for graping and harassing female servants? Did he get the same treatment as Rhaenyra for having bastards roaming freely in Fleabottom?
The answer is NO
The greens keep getting with shit unpunished but but but Aemond's eye 🥹
GTFOH 😂😂😂
@@Chasingdreams25 i’m not reading all of that. I gave my opinion and idc what you have to say🙃
@@naseemaveasey4807lmaoo u got cooked
@@Chasingdreams25god your media literacy is inexistent 😢. I read 3 lines and I couldn't believe it, maybe Riverdale suits you better💚
@@Shiera_Seastar_ hahaha you don't even believe that, you people can't read 💚
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Bit of a disappointing Reaction IMO .. You should have watched season 1 again because Mair has lost connection to the characters to me it feels like you are starting off and watching a new show .. so you get thumbs down from me
I doubt they care cause you clicked the “dislike” button😂 lol
14:58 "Aemond does not deserve to go on free". LOL i forgot how much of a hypocrite some of you reactors are. You didn't care at all when Luke took his eye. He got to go on free... Just the fact that you cant even see it 😂. Also not understanding how Alicent was RIGHT to demand justice for his son... LUKE HAD WHAT HE DESERVED and also Rhaenyra 💚💚💚💚
After hitting your nephew with a brick is crazy but continue your thoughts
@Mair and @Sophie by killing an innocent baby that took the moral high ground from Rhaenary.
It good to see Winterfell again. So far, we see a conflict within both sides after the Aftermath of season 10 with Lucery death. Jace trying to get support from the North. The Black's as Rhaenyra is grieving. Daemon want to go to war with them. As he and Rhaenya disagree on how their approach against Team Green. On the Green's we see how Aegon is as the king. As their is a conflict between him and his grandfather Otto on how to run things. As Larys Strong notice as he sowed seeds into Aegon. As Helena warns Aegon, concern should be the rats (spies) and not the black's. I'm surprised that Aegon show love for his son despite not disciplining them. But I guess Aegon showing love to his son is something he never got from his,father.
First Sir Cirston hated being Rhaenyra sex toy, but now he's Alicent damn I didn't see that one coming. I think Otto knows with the way he looked as Alicent and Cirston Cole enter the room. Alicent feeling not appreciated as she part of the table of men. As she feel Aemond and Aegon don't listen to her. Especially after she expressed disappointment in Aemond for causing this war.
I love the Velaryon theme song. I feel bad for Rhaenyra after seeing the remains of Lucery dragon Arrax which was confirm by the Black Ravens. In which resulted in her wanting Aemond dead. As Daemon leaves to go to Kings landing where he finds two men Cheese and Blood who he knew through talks with the White Worm. As he paid him to assassinate Aemond. I just feel bad that Cheese and Blood decided to kill Jaehaery. But anyway I hope you two have a wonderful day. Stay safe, take care and stay amazing Mair and Sophie.
Coyrles was injured and was outta action til late in the last season
I think with Helaena, who is dismissed by her own family as a fool, believes her premonitions are not warnings, which can be prevented upon action, but rather chapters with dry ink. That is, foresight on future chapters, but these chapters cannot be changed. I can't imagine the torment she feels. This is why, I think, she was so calm and accepting, for want of a better word with Cheese and Blood. She knew it was going to happen and thought nothing could be done about it.
Daemon is the purist of Evils he really killed his brothers 4 year old Grandson
Thats war..
@@AlwaysRightAllNightonly a coward and monster kills children in war kinda like Daemon
@@Alex-bz8ljand Aemond x
@AlwaysRightAllNight really? Beheading children isn't war bro. It's war crimes.
@@Alex-bz8ljagree
Vhagar has holes in her wings bcuz she's basically a Targaryen relic that has been in more wars than every Targaryen dragon haha. She helped Aegon conquer Westeros. It would have been much better if they killed aemond because then vhagar would be up for grabs & won't be claimed by a psychopath
He was bullied as a kid, his nephews literally created that "psycopath"
@@Cavpaldid you forget Aegon his big brother was doing the bullying and his younger nephews were following behind him aegon was the teenager
@@JaceMoore1 Nice deflection, try again.
😢 what if they actualy killed the daughter and now they will still be able to disguise the son for a reveal later ...I sense a trick
Lmao😂😂 your “senses” are way off
Rhaenyra for QUEEN periodt
The white stag confirmed it
Nah she will loose her head.
@@hector-nu6gleven if she loses more than her head she’s still the rightful queen
@@hector-nu6glthe greens lose their entire bloodline 😂
@@hector-nu6glthat was Jaehaerys 😂
No matter what Alicent thought she heard or not, they had been planning the betrayal since Aegon was born, don't forget.
Otto was planning that but Alicent always shut it down. She didn’t even plot later in the series.. that was the small council and she had no idea. She definitely tried to sway Viserys but she never plotted to steal the throne
@@naseemaveasey4807Alicent told her son he will be King instead of his sister in S1 ep 6 so... 😂
wtf why release this a month after episode released, talk about being late to the party
Weird comment cause the first episode came out on the 16th so I’m not sure where you’re getting a month from lmao😂
Dude is Team Green lol. . . A son for a son. . . What do yall not get? The Heir to Driftmark for the Heir of Aegon. . . Fair trade. . .
id rather be Aegon iii or viserys ii. fuck the rest of them
fair trade? The baby had nothing to do with it lol.
@@Mutazili both kids had nothing to do with it
@@Wolfhunter5607 Yes, you get the guy that killed the kid, not an innocent - that's how justice works ...
@@Wolfhunter5607umm.. Lucerys slashed Aemond’s eye out then had the nerve to laugh in his face at dinner. I’m not saying he deserved death but what took place at Driftmark & no one defending Aemond besides Alicent was the catalyst of the long brewing war.
Daemon blaming Rhaenys is flawed logic. I said it last season and I'll say it again, Luke's death was Rhaenrya's fault PERIOD. She should have sent a raven to Storm's End. She would have gotten one of three responses from Lord Baratheon: 1. "I'm holding to the oath my father took & I recognize you as queen." OR 2. "You were named before there was a male heir and the report is that it was King Viserys' dying wish to have Aegon be the heir, so my father's oath is null & void. I'm Team Green." OR 3. "You look like you need some help to hold onto your crown there, missy. Team Green promised to have Prince Aemond marry one of my daughters. Make me an offer." There was ABSOLUTELY no need to risk her son AND a dragon, two valuable pieces. She gave the order, it's on her.
The princes were sent to send the messages in person. They clearly said that it was faster than sending a raven. It was also a way to train Luke in the world of politics. Luke’s death was not Rhaenyra’s fault, it was Aemond’s. Aemond decided to pursue his nephew after the lord of Storms End, had Luke escorted safely to his dragon.
Rhaenyra wasnt wrong. Killing Luke was breaking tradition (killing a royal messenger) and kin slaying, two big deals in their world. These kinds of things almost never happen.
@@jaymanuel3396 Was there a possibility that Team Green would be trying to sway Lord Baratheon to their side? YES a high one. Was it highly possible that Aemond could be the person they sent. YES. He is a prince who isn't married and Lord Baratheon has unwed daughters. Does he has an axe to grind when it comes to Luke? YES.
A Queen HAS to account for that. And unless my memory fails me, Lord Baratheon asked Luke what offer he came with, which means he was most likely on the fence and wanted to choose the side he profit the most from.
As far as Luke not being detained, the world of GoT is based on real history and even within the world GGRM made, ASOIAF, there are traitors, backstabbers & oathbreakers. There are people who did things other people didn't expect them to do. Lord Baratheon might have been loyal initially but he might have realized which way the wind was blowing ( a male heir is more acceptable to the people ) and decided to switch sides.
A queen HAS to account for that. There is NOTHING you can say that will change my mind because the point stands. If Luke wasn't there it wouldn't have happened. When everyone said that sending a dragon was faster, Rhaenyra's reply should have been, "Yes but sending a raven is safer."
@@fromheaventoearth5779
As far as Luke not being detained, the world of GoT is based on real history and even within the world GGRM made, ASOIAF, there are traitors, backstabbers & oathbreakers. There are people who did things other people didn't expect them to do. Lord Baratheon might have been loyal initially but he might have realized which way the wind was blowing ( a male heir is more acceptable to the people ) and decided to switch sides.
A queen HAS to account for that. There is NOTHING you can say that will change my mind because the point stands. If Luke wasn't there it wouldn't have happened.
@@trini_staple I dont care about changing your mind. The thing literally happened on a whim because even Aemond wasnt dumb enough to kill his family member and a royal messenger at the time. A literal animal committed the act that's how unusual it is to kill a royal messenger. I have been reading this lore and stories for years and years. It rarely happens and when it does, the people who commit the act are condemned and at the very least side eyed by even those who are on their side. It is not a normal occurrence.
Aemond killed Lucerys! It IS his fault 100%. You don’t send a wardragon after a baby dragon and expect a good outcome smh
Alicent started the war. _Obviously_
Womp womp
Alicent and Cole are two 100% hypocrites!!!! Who else wonders if they were together before Viserys' death?
God. You are annoying little kid.
Lol. In that case this would have been part of season 1. Obviously they started sleeping together after viseary's death. You also miss the point. Rheayneras betrayel with her uncle and Cole was a big thing because she was supposed to birth the royal heir. Alicent's sex life doesn't matter now because now Helena is the Queen. Any kid she would have now would have no legal claim to the throne anyway.
Oh for sure, it was implied…remember Season 1 those close ups of their faces together…they both still have a hard on for Rhaenyra so I wouldn’t be surprised, plus she was already playing footsies with Larys while Viserys was alive😅🦶🦶
@@hector-nu6glRhaenyra supposed to give royal heirs??? Lmao she did, them children have Targaryen blood dummy 😂
Team Black baby 🖤🖤🖤
Well, they ruined Blood&Cheese all right, could have been one of TV history's most haunting moments, another Red Wedding, but instead the show's version was a complete let down, rushed and underwhelming to say the least. If only they adapted the book's version which was perfection!!!! In the book Daemon gave the order to murder Aegon's heir not Aemond, a son for a son he said. It wasn't a mission gone wrong, typical Daemon didn't give a rat's ass about the babies, in the book Viserys adored his grandchildren and used to tell them stories of ancient Valyria.😥Blood and Cheese sneaked into Alicent's room through the secret passageways Rhaenyra used to get out of the Red Keep in the first season, they gagged Alicent and waited. When Helaena arrived with her three babies, Blood killed her guard before proceeding to grab her eldest son, Prince Jaehaerys, while Cheese took hold of her younger son, Prince Maelor. Then she was asked on which of her sons she wanted them to kill, the queen pleaded with them to kill her instead, which was turned down and Blood reminded her that it has to be a son, warned Helaena that she and her children would die if she screamed. They threatened they would rape her baby daughter if she didn't make a choice soon. When she was once again forced to make the impossible choice under the threat that all of her children will be killed, the queen tearfully chose Maelor, the youngest son, she believed that Maelor was too young to understand. Seeing that she had chosen Maelor, Cheese whispered into the boy's ear, mockingly saying, "You hear that, little boy? Your momma wants you dead." Instead they decapitaded Jaehearys to Helaena's horror, and she began to scream. This is by far the superior Blood&Cheese version. In the show the guards had vanished, made no sense, kicking the dog was more impactful and Alicent humping Cole at the end took away from Haelena's tragedy, people were laughing. Idk, and it's not like the book readers anticipated to witness the beheading of a baby, it's just that GRRMs version of a mother's impossible choice would have made for great drama, a lost opportunity indeed I might add.
Thats because the book isn't the truth, ffs. It is told by two people who weren't there
You know when people who haven't read fire blood act like they did and act like the everything is ruined because they didn't get to see a child be brutally murdered or a young woman (Helaena) just exist to be tortured it's beyond irritating. You get they made Helaena a green seer like Bran or blood raven right? It wouldn't fit the narrative if she was blind sided like was told by a third party in book. Furthermore this is much more believable and definitely palatable than what the third party account describes in the book. It was already horrifying. Wtf else do you want to see you psycho?
@@Freya1412also the main reason they couldn’t do it the same is because it would traumatize the child actors
@@Freya1412 Seriously now? You liked the show's version more than GRRMs version? And I've read the book and I'm no psycho, how dare you. As I said they didn't need to show us the gore, just more of Helaena's struggle and present it in a believable way more faithful to the superior book version. Wouldn't blame Phia's acting either, cause she did great, so what if Helaena was special, she could still react to what was happening to her and her babies, but people were not affected by the show's version as they should have. The show's Blood&Cheese did not deliver, they downplayed the whole story which lasted only a few minutes, they should have kept the audience at the edge of their seat. But as GRRM said himself in a recent interview and suspiciously just before the HOTD S2 premiere, show runners always think they can do better than the source material, although George would't speak directly against the changes made to his work cause he would't bite the hand that feeds him. Anyway, don't have to agree with me but stop with the insults.
@Freya1412 - why you getting so personal. They didn't say show the child being decapitated but show Heleana's motherly dilemma and not ruin it with gross Alicent and Crispin humping and I agree completely so calm down.
Rhaenyra did lead Criston astray. Yes he’s a grown man, but he’s of low station and Rhaenyra knows she has the power over him. He had no choice.
Yet he's sleeping with alicent who has power over him too. Rhaenyra was way younger and drunk at the time.
Whatever...she wasnt going to do anything to him if he said no...But he didnt...But like most simps...they take no accountability for their own actions...thats why everyone hates him..his an absolute loser...He will prob find a way to blame someone else for not being their to protect Helenas kids.
Same with Alicent 🤷♀️
@mekareactsandreviews3026 He will say it's Rhaenyra's fault he wasn't standing a guard 😂
If that was the case he wouldn’t be smashing the queen 🤣🤣💯
So Mairs point is Alicent’s ignorance absolves her of any wrongdoing 🧐 NAH. (I love these 2 I am not disrespecting just stating don’t kill me)
B&C wasn't "ruined". It's the vocal minority of purists who spent 2 years desperately trying to shape perception & sabotaging a good show for not making their sports team come off as flawless heroes & the other team as irredeemable disney villains. Yet to see a single casual reactor who was not moved. Without the book baggage this would be considered brilliant. Like Daemon mentions how Aemond is a great fighter & smirks when asked what happens if they can't find Aemond. It was obv he knew it was an impossible mission. It seems like a lot of fans can't even catch a simple subtext unless it's dumbed down & bluntly spoonfed. Some of the best parts of this ep were the political intrigue, underscoring logistics of war, the economics of blockade. Everyone paranoid & trying to sway the king. Otto & Alicent on one side but not quite together as Alicent keeps being undermined by the men in her life. Larys on the other side. Aemond & Criston on another side. These subtle political machinations are things D&D can't even dream of doing. The "farewell to peace" parallel with Rhaenyra at the funeral & Alicent at the Sept was another poignant moment.
As for B&C, HOTD just plays these moments differently to GOT. Less about shock, more about creeping unease. Part of watching GoT was about watching other people reacting in horror, surprise, etc. With HOTD I don't feel the pull to watch people shouting at the screen because it would only feel forced. HOTD had so many moments in S1 where it could have gone for a sharp stab a la GoT but instead made sure to play things out slowly. It's less interested in displays of brutality & more interested in the impact on the bigger picture. GoT (& Breaking Bad) was about dramatic moments. Hotd (& Better Call Saul) is more about everything around those moments & plays them out in a way that feels slower, less brutal & more bleak & dread. GoT had so many moments where it stabbed, even if you saw the knife coming. HOTD is more interested in digging its nails & slowly pulling a wound open.
All these "bring back D&D" posts just makes me know that a lot of so-called purists didn't hate GoT's cheap, gawdy, shock value spectacle writing, what they hated was their self-insert (Dany, Jon or Stannis) not sitting the throne. I LOVED the restraint on B&C. This was peak bleak, dread soaked gothic horror. The creeping horror of the haunting soundtrack with the cutting & sawing noises. The "emotional impact" the MCU brain wanted was heavy-handed head chopping gratuitous violence. But unsettling silent terror will always be more disturbing than gory theatrics & bright Bridgerton colors that some fans complain about! The book's B&C is an overly sadistic creative writing exercise of cartoon villains (makes sense considering it's made by fictional 'historians'). The extended psychological torment of Helaena strains credibility as B&C had no personal vendetta against her & were risking their own skin playing games in the Red Keep during a war. The show exchanges gore for dread, presents it as a straightforward hit, with the grim realism underscoring the urgency & perilous stakes B&C was in. The banality of evil instead of a Machiavellian plot makes it scarier.
It's easy to write a woman screaming & throwing up. But the brutally real pain, terror & despair Phia managed using only her eyes is more impactful. Helaena's freeze frame reaction was on point with her cassandra character & it was devastating. The total silence surrounding b&c & its aftermath made it even more jarring. Ofc Helaena called Jaehaerys “the boy”as she was traumatized & mimicking the speech of b&c. Her offering the necklace was brilliantly upsetting & endearing cause it shows she was too sheltered to realize what b&c wanted. But then you can pinpoint the exact moment when the switch goes off. It's like she has this moment of realization about what she prolly already foresaw. A look of quiet panic & resignation sets in. You can see her dissociating. she didn't even realize that she got down the stairs. The first place her feet takes her is her mother's room for comfort. To wake her up from a nightmare which was alas too real.