Honeywell already sells much less expensive wi-fi units for roughly $100 with it's Thermostat app. Not sure what's justified in the extra $280 profit except for the cool factor and a few added features.
I purchased the Honeywell Lyric to replace an older round analogue Honeywell thermostat. The Lyrics instructions are poorly written. As usual, people with great tech minds have no sense of how their products are actually used by real people. And they are clueless in terms of how to explain what needs to be done and how it works. Basically, it has its own WiFi strictly for installation purposes only. Once that is done, you switch to the home WiFi/Internet system to manage the Lyric. They don't tell you that there is a gold yellow glow ring around the bottom of the thermostat that goes on and off when you turn the wheel. Of course they wouldn't, maybe hoping that you might think you wired the system improperly -- since the wiring instructions are faulty. You basically take your old system off and close your eyes and hope the wires are reinserted into the Lyric ... maybe it will work, or maybe it will blow up your home. It's a nice 50/50 shot that something will go wrong. The instructions are so poor you are forced to find help on other sites. The Honeywell site offers nothing. I had to research it 50 times on the web, finding this story that showed the glow light flickering on and off under the bottom ring circle to know it was not shorting out. Good luck with this one folks. I feel like I really risked my money for a half-ass product. RAY HANANIA
More expensive than the Nest? what are they drinking? I've bought a lot of Honeywells and every one of them has had problems, so of course I'll drop $280 on another. Not so much.
The technology of this thermostat is nothing like the Nest. The Net starts up your system up when you are home by sensing your movement and the Lyric allows your system to start prior to you being home by geofencing. There is no comparison. Most of us have a smart phone and after setting up the Lyric on your phone, the rest takes care of itself. As a coach and an active dad, I have no set schedule, so the Lyric is the way to go for me.
Geofencing is good when you used it in homes so one or persons using it will be benefited. But is not very useful for office use as many employees or executives staff must be having the app to adjust the temperature and so if any of them leave, the thermostat switches off, and if one returns the thermostat switches the system back on. This is a disaster tech for the office. While the nest can come at a better rescue with its motion sensors. And also IMO Nest is much more smarter to understand the changes in one's cooling or heating needs.
Have you read the specs on it? It can tell when there is no on in the home by who's on the wifi network or not. The issue is if someone turns off wifi or their phone (which in my home is never) And motion sensors don't do to well if you are in another room. They both have their pros and cons. I have owned the nest *Gen2* and I upgraded to this for it's geofencing feature. I can say this- the nest looked cooler. BUT this one BLOWS it away.
Ripoff and it offers no local access meaning it relies entirely on the honeywell servers for the added features that sets it apart from a $20 thermostat. That is too much control for a company to have over your purchase, at any moment, they can decide to shut the servers down when the item stops selling enough to cover the cost of the server hosting, or they can begin charging for previously free features, or they can go out of business,causing your thermostat to become more useless than a $20 thermostat since the advanced controls such as scheduling, relies on the cloud service to set it. Remember when buying any expensive item, do what more successful IT managers do, buy with the assumption that it will not be replaced or upgraded for the next 100 years. what can possibly go wrong. (this keeps you thinking about the long term reliability of the item) That item is just as bad as the nest thermostat as it has the same flaw, virtually all advanced control relies on their servers which can go down at any time. Networked devices like this are also not very good to have in general. No one makes perfectly secure code, and that is why networked devices need ongoing security updates, once a device like this is no longer supported, then it becomes a large target for malicious users.
This will be the best smart thermostat available. Lots of people are happy with their $20 Honeywell thermostats but others need and want more and are willing to pay the price to have the best. This is it. Very elegant, practical and functional. The flexibility and peace of mind of knowing/setting the temperature in your home when you're traveling, the energy savings, the elegance on your wall makes it worth every penny. The geofencing feature is outright brilliant. Welcome to the 21st century.
iTube855 While the added "Smart" features are good to have, the issue is the implementation, they made a choice to purposely make it reliant on their servers instead of allowing multiple options for remote access. for example, with traditional IP cameras, you can use remote monitoring services, or you can connect to then directly VIA their IP address, so if the company goes out of business, then you can use a wide range of other monitoring services, or connect directly, even if your internet goes down, you can fall back to an intranet if available. When these thurmostats, they connect to a remote server, and then the clients connect to that same server, and the server acts as a middleman for controlling the device. This adds many more points of failure. The geo fence has been around for years and used from time to time with some motherboards using bluetooth where when in range of your phone, it switches to a high performance profile, and when you walk out of range, it goes to a power saver profile (more aggressive throttling, monitor goes off quicker and standby time is shorter) I think asus did this with some of their boards. (it did not really catch on because in cases where your phone battery would die, or turn off, users would suddenly get a performance drop while in a game or doing other work.
Honeywell go out of business? You are an idiot. Honeywell has been around for over 125 years. I hate people who don't know what the hell they are talking about- and they just rant to sound smart- And have you ever seen a company (especially as large as this company) offer a service- then start to charge for that service? I can't think of ONE. Going on your "Remember" statement- I might as well not have any high tech product at all- OR anything that makes life better by using the "do what all successful IT managers do" (I'd love to see your sourcing on that statement)
Dallas Stearns There are many devices that do not rely on unnecessary points of failure. A device like the Honeywell lyric, is the equivalent of the sky dog router as compared to a traditional router where the same features are provided locally by the router. Also using the age of a company as you did, fits the definition exactly of the logical fallacy, argumentum ad antiquitatem. The whole cloud based fad is relatively new, and it would be dangerous to assume that a company offering cloud services for "free", will continue to do so forever. The goal of a business, is to make money, and once the sales of the product no longer covers the ongoing cost of the cloud service, they will either find new ways to fund it, or simply end the service. Usually once a produce is discontinued, the supporting services will also eventually go away, for example, if you have a Sega dream cast, try using the online functionality and tell me if it still works (it doesn't because Sega shut down the servers since they are expensive to run and not profitable to run them t support a product that they are no longer selling). While people will naturally stop using obsolete products, the issue is that there is no trigger point that makes everyone decide at the same instant to all stop using something. When you buy a product that relies on the cloud for virtually all of its functions, then you are gambling on whether you will decide to no longer use the product before they decide to kill the servers. History has shown businesses to discontinue unprofitable products and services, and non subscription services that have very real and ongoing costs, will eventually transition to becoming a financial drain on the company, especially when sales of the product, drops below the cost of providing the service. Utilitarian items are especially at risk, for example, you do not buy the latest fridge or stove model every 2 to 3 years; same with thermostats.
Vader...You Seek Vader! i dont think she is even hot on video. she talks way too much shit in most of her videos. she is a journalist who doesnt understand that her job is to report the product and not her opinion about it and then begin bashing it.
Holy shit. I dont think its possible for honeywell to legally rip off a product any better. Considering they wanted to sue Nest over the idea a long time ago, now they make a copy cat version LOL oh and has anyone watched the video? did they tell the animator to get influence from the nest website? what a disgrace. Honeywell has lost my respect
Yeah, anyway, how old is the patent on the "wheel" anyway? Anyway, as long as the "wheel" has been around now the patent on it has got to be running out soon enough anyway. If only Honeywell had thought of making a round thermostat decades ago then maybe their design would be more defendable as being more so their rather than trying to be a lookalike.
I’m having so many problems with this smart thermostat that is nuts.
Honeywell already sells much less expensive wi-fi units for roughly $100 with it's Thermostat app. Not sure what's justified in the extra $280 profit except for the cool factor and a few added features.
It's amazing advances like this that totally brings out the nerd in me!
I purchased the Honeywell Lyric to replace an older round analogue Honeywell thermostat. The Lyrics instructions are poorly written. As usual, people with great tech minds have no sense of how their products are actually used by real people. And they are clueless in terms of how to explain what needs to be done and how it works. Basically, it has its own WiFi strictly for installation purposes only. Once that is done, you switch to the home WiFi/Internet system to manage the Lyric. They don't tell you that there is a gold yellow glow ring around the bottom of the thermostat that goes on and off when you turn the wheel. Of course they wouldn't, maybe hoping that you might think you wired the system improperly -- since the wiring instructions are faulty. You basically take your old system off and close your eyes and hope the wires are reinserted into the Lyric ... maybe it will work, or maybe it will blow up your home. It's a nice 50/50 shot that something will go wrong. The instructions are so poor you are forced to find help on other sites. The Honeywell site offers nothing. I had to research it 50 times on the web, finding this story that showed the glow light flickering on and off under the bottom ring circle to know it was not shorting out. Good luck with this one folks. I feel like I really risked my money for a half-ass product. RAY HANANIA
Amazing definitely a must buy
More expensive than the Nest? what are they drinking? I've bought a lot of Honeywells and every one of them has had problems, so of course I'll drop $280 on another. Not so much.
Lyric has geo fencing but the Nest does not? That's weird.
Why would you price this more than the nest? I'd still go with the nest any day...
The technology of this thermostat is nothing like the Nest. The Net starts up your system up when you are home by sensing your movement and the Lyric allows your system to start prior to you being home by geofencing. There is no comparison. Most of us have a smart phone and after setting up the Lyric on your phone, the rest takes care of itself. As a coach and an active dad, I have no set schedule, so the Lyric is the way to go for me.
$280! OUCH
No, $225 in store...
Only clicked this to look at the thumbnail comments.
Was not let down.
Who uses AT&T?
I have this exact one and I can’t turn it on
Geofencing is good when you used it in homes so one or persons using it will be benefited. But is not very useful for office use as many employees or executives staff must be having the app to adjust the temperature and so if any of them leave, the thermostat switches off, and if one returns the thermostat switches the system back on. This is a disaster tech for the office. While the nest can come at a better rescue with its motion sensors. And also IMO Nest is much more smarter to understand the changes in one's cooling or heating needs.
Have you read the specs on it? It can tell when there is no on in the home by who's on the wifi network or not. The issue is if someone turns off wifi or their phone (which in my home is never) And motion sensors don't do to well if you are in another room. They both have their pros and cons. I have owned the nest *Gen2* and I upgraded to this for it's geofencing feature. I can say this- the nest looked cooler. BUT this one BLOWS it away.
The nest already does most of these features. And is better looking IMO
Mohammed Dairywala and cheeped too.
Ripoff and it offers no local access meaning it relies entirely on the honeywell servers for the added features that sets it apart from a $20 thermostat. That is too much control for a company to have over your purchase, at any moment, they can decide to shut the servers down when the item stops selling enough to cover the cost of the server hosting, or they can begin charging for previously free features, or they can go out of business,causing your thermostat to become more useless than a $20 thermostat since the advanced controls such as scheduling, relies on the cloud service to set it.
Remember when buying any expensive item, do what more successful IT managers do, buy with the assumption that it will not be replaced or upgraded for the next 100 years. what can possibly go wrong. (this keeps you thinking about the long term reliability of the item) That item is just as bad as the nest thermostat as it has the same flaw, virtually all advanced control relies on their servers which can go down at any time.
Networked devices like this are also not very good to have in general. No one makes perfectly secure code, and that is why networked devices need ongoing security updates, once a device like this is no longer supported, then it becomes a large target for malicious users.
This will be the best smart thermostat available. Lots of people are happy with their $20 Honeywell thermostats but others need and want more and are willing to pay the price to have the best. This is it. Very elegant, practical and functional.
The flexibility and peace of mind of knowing/setting the temperature in your home when you're traveling, the energy savings, the elegance on your wall makes it worth every penny. The geofencing feature is outright brilliant.
Welcome to the 21st century.
iTube855
While the added "Smart" features are good to have, the issue is the implementation, they made a choice to purposely make it reliant on their servers instead of allowing multiple options for remote access. for example, with traditional IP cameras, you can use remote monitoring services, or you can connect to then directly VIA their IP address, so if the company goes out of business, then you can use a wide range of other monitoring services, or connect directly, even if your internet goes down, you can fall back to an intranet if available. When these thurmostats, they connect to a remote server, and then the clients connect to that same server, and the server acts as a middleman for controlling the device. This adds many more points of failure. The geo fence has been around for years and used from time to time with some motherboards using bluetooth where when in range of your phone, it switches to a high performance profile, and when you walk out of range, it goes to a power saver profile (more aggressive throttling, monitor goes off quicker and standby time is shorter) I think asus did this with some of their boards. (it did not really catch on because in cases where your phone battery would die, or turn off, users would suddenly get a performance drop while in a game or doing other work.
Honeywell go out of business? You are an idiot. Honeywell has been around for over 125 years. I hate people who don't know what the hell they are talking about- and they just rant to sound smart- And have you ever seen a company (especially as large as this company) offer a service- then start to charge for that service? I can't think of ONE. Going on your "Remember" statement- I might as well not have any high tech product at all- OR anything that makes life better by using the "do what all successful IT managers do" (I'd love to see your sourcing on that statement)
Dallas Stearns There are many devices that do not rely on unnecessary points of failure. A device like the Honeywell lyric, is the equivalent of the sky dog router as compared to a traditional router where the same features are provided locally by the router. Also using the age of a company as you did, fits the definition exactly of the logical fallacy, argumentum ad antiquitatem. The whole cloud based fad is relatively new, and it would be dangerous to assume that a company offering cloud services for "free", will continue to do so forever. The goal of a business, is to make money, and once the sales of the product no longer covers the ongoing cost of the cloud service, they will either find new ways to fund it, or simply end the service.
Usually once a produce is discontinued, the supporting services will also eventually go away, for example, if you have a Sega dream cast, try using the online functionality and tell me if it still works (it doesn't because Sega shut down the servers since they are expensive to run and not profitable to run them t support a product that they are no longer selling). While people will naturally stop using obsolete products, the issue is that there is no trigger point that makes everyone decide at the same instant to all stop using something. When you buy a product that relies on the cloud for virtually all of its functions, then you are gambling on whether you will decide to no longer use the product before they decide to kill the servers.
History has shown businesses to discontinue unprofitable products and services, and non subscription services that have very real and ongoing costs, will eventually transition to becoming a financial drain on the company, especially when sales of the product, drops below the cost of providing the service. Utilitarian items are especially at risk, for example, you do not buy the latest fridge or stove model every 2 to 3 years; same with thermostats.
lol 69
*snickers*
Went right to the comments the second I seen that. lmao
BMDGaming
:P
Nest should sue
280 jajajajajajaja .
shes not so hot in person
Vader...You Seek Vader! i dont think she is even hot on video. she talks way too much shit in most of her videos. she is a journalist who doesnt understand that her job is to report the product and not her opinion about it and then begin bashing it.
Holy shit. I dont think its possible for honeywell to legally rip off a product any better. Considering they wanted to sue Nest over the idea a long time ago, now they make a copy cat version LOL
oh and has anyone watched the video? did they tell the animator to get influence from the nest website? what a disgrace. Honeywell has lost my respect
It is garbage!!!! The end!
Honey well patent trolls copy nest's design. How cute
Yeah, anyway, how old is the patent on the "wheel" anyway? Anyway, as long as the "wheel" has been around now the patent on it has got to be running out soon enough anyway. If only Honeywell had thought of making a round thermostat decades ago then maybe their design would be more defendable as being more so their rather than trying to be a lookalike.