RESPONSES: 1. “Don’t Celestialsapians only have two personalities, not three?” Not exactly clear. Ben joins Bellicus and Serena with an already-designated title, The Voice of Reason, implying that this is the norm for them, and they’ve been waiting for Ben to complete their set. However, in the Galactic Gladiator match, Ben & Starbeard make a remark about Gladiator only having two. Whether they naturally have two or three, it does not affect any of the following information and feats. 2. “In the intro, don’t you mean 2017, not 2007?” I’ve been making videos/ been involved in the Ben 10 community since 2007. I showed the thumbnail of a video from 2017 because that was the biggest turning point. 3. Although, I DID accidentally say “2006 Reboot” instead of 2016, and there is a typo in the title for “X=Ben+2”.
and it could be theorised that Alien X started existing when ben first transformed into him, but from then on his existence could span for years before ben's initial transformation. kind of like how the speed force was created at the very moment Barry Allen gained his powers and from then on it exist through out all space and time, and that every step that Barry Allen takes adds to the speed force as a source of power for other speedsters.
maybe some C.Ss are born with a mutation. the mutation being that when they develop, when normally C.Ss would have 3 personalities, some only develop 2. this could be the case with Alien X. they're apparently made of DNA and generate heat, so genetic mutations should be possible.
Hmm. So the GG being so decisive compared to other Celestialsapiens is either because his two personalities don’t contradict each other as much or because he only has two compared to the three. Or both. Who knows
I love that the Celestialsapient Council wasn't even going to hurt Ben, or undo his Universe, just give him a fine of like 5 dollars. Very chill of them.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 also could be that him recreating the universe was such an insignificant action in the grand scheme of everything that it really was the equivalent of spending 5 dollars to a celestialsapien.
Paradox saying "I'm not supposed to go within 500 lightyears of them" gives off "I'm not allowed within 500 yards of a school" vibes and that is so goddamn funny to me
@@suarez9108 he was probably checking out some celestial sapient girl and he got ambushed by a bunch of people after realizing that she was pregnant and people thought he was checking out the baby know he is known as a perverted time traveling scientist
Sooo, could we say that inconsistency in Kevin's backstory is just Celestialsapiens changing his story, his father's story and Max's memories of Kevin's dad?
@Hooty HOOT HOOT oh no i agree im saying they think about ALMOST EVERYTHING like its crazy. I wonder if alien x came from daydreaming to much as i can relate to those voices inside of alien x as i am a maladaptive daydreamer
I am legit surprised the Final Move against the Celstial Gladiator confuses Ink Tank so much. It’s clear to me he’s missing the point and it appears obvious to me that the Means: Parts of the Vortex-Attack may have not done anything. Think about it like summoning Plushies, throwing Jojos and doing so much more, all at once, with Attack Power being irrelevant and the Confusion-Factor and the Number-Facotr being the only deciding thing. How unlikely is it that Ben said ‚I’m gonna confuse them now’ and then did not something that would confuse the Gladitor? No, the move was the vaguest yet cause it was meant to be Hyper-Vague. This attack could literally be named ‚Vague-Blast!!’
I'm not gonna lie. Trying to convince the personalities wouldn't be that bad if Ben ever tried learning how to argue with them. He seems to just get annoyed with them and give up.
It’s mainly because whenever Ben Transforms, He runs the risk of Forever being stuck In the Mind Scape never being allowed to leave unless all 3 agree with this Idea. When I first understand Alien X. I always thought that Ben turning Into It for no reason just to talk to Bellicose and Serena would just piss them off for waising there time by him just bothering them for no reason because they always know what’s going on. I Alway saw Alien X as a Emergency last resort to go Onto when everything Is F***ED. Otherwise If he bothers them for no reason, they’ll just be annoyed and choice to never help him again for wasting there time. So when Ben would Need Alien X, They wouldn’t allow It
I think the reason why the gladiator was “afraid” of alien x was because whenever he turns into an alien, he turns into the most healthy, fit, etc. version of the alien which means alien x is a step above your average celestial sapient, or even the most decisive one.
Imagine how powerful Ben would be if he just agreed to spend an hour a day debating with Alien X. His other personalities probably wouldn’t hate him so much.
He should have done that, but set a rule that if a threat showed up, they would pause their current debate to decide whether or not to deal with said threat. I wanted more Alien X, because Bellicus and Serena are so fun
The smoothie cup creation isn’t actually ignoring conservation of energy. They can just take the atoms in the air (or lonely atoms drifting in space), rearrange the protons, neutrons and electrons and then create a cup “out of thin air”. Just because there isn’t any solid matter around it’s still air all around us.
That's a great idea but what atoms did Ben use when he created a new universe? Since multiple people admitted that the universe was "destroyed" its hard to believe that there were even any to use, sorry for the reply, i know you said this 2 years ago😂
@@animegod9585If the universe can be "destroyed", it can be "created". If we're following that matter cannot be created or destroyed, then the universe were never gone, just achieved maximum entropy which is within alien x's ability to reverse entropy
The Ink Tank really went “Alright it’s the 400K special, here’s a feature length movie breaking down everything about Benjamin Tennyson’s most powerful alien.” God these guys never fail to out do themselves.
I think the Gladiator is having an inner debate with his other personalities after his defeat. That would explain why he's motionless and not saying anything as celestialsapians are completely motionless when in a mental debate
I like to imagine all the other celestial sapiens we see just floating in the forge of creation are just deadlocked on whether they should save the dinosaurs, every single one of them, that’s all they argue about.
@@jkjordon1 beyonder cant manipulate time so alien X can just stop time, kick him in his nuts, resume time and then travel back in time to kick him in his nuts again
Fun Fact: Remember how Ben fused all of the Highbreed with random DNA samples from the Omnitrix? At least one of those Highbreeds is confirmed to have Celestialsapien DNA.
@@SantinoPR It was confirmed by Dwayne McDuffie as an answer to a question. It seems the post is no longer available. He also received a follow up question: "Can this Highbreed use Alien X's powers, then?" "Probably not."
My theory for Reboot Alien X's power is that when he transformed, he broke the Omnitrix, which limited his power, so absorbing other Omnitrixes helps stabilize his own Omnitrix and allows him to access more of his power
That ben is never really learn about the omnitrix and never met azmuth. So he would have a way less understanding of the omnitrix, so other than sticking it together he wouldn't really know how to fix it
I think a good story arc for Alien-x is that he was born with a deficiency resulting in him only having 2 personalities (Serena and Bellicus) so the Celestialsapien allowed Azmuth to "absorb" Alien-x instead of absorbing his DNA (not even sure the Omnitrix can do this) to give Alien-x the third personality the Omnitrix wielder.
@@hattoripool1533 that's a unique case the ultimates were a glitch given life but ghost freak is alive because echtoneurite DNA itself is sentient so by taking a sample they basically cloned the original alien.
I've wondered if that's the case. that some celestialsapiens only have 2 personalities that are complete opposites of one another and never make a decision on their own. and that others like the galactic gladiator likewise had only 2 personalities but they were very similar and could agree on decisions much more easily.
I still like to imagine that Ben’s overconfidence with Rook and Argit immediately after the universe destruction is his way of coping with the grief. He can’t comprehend what just happened, so instead of confronting that existentially horrific topic, he blusters it away. In Universe v. Tennyson, when they get him to confess, I think Ben’s breakdown isn’t just about getting the smoothie flavors wrong. It’s all those bottled-up emotions, not knowing how much else he might’ve changed by accident. Is his family still the same? Are his friends? Is anyone? He doesn’t know, and he clearly tries not to think about it, but the smoothie flavors being wrong is just a daily reminder of how badly he screwed up.
I mean, that episode was way too dark and horrifying when I try remembering it. It is just pure horror, knowing that nothing will actually be the same again since the true destruction of the universe Ben lives in.
I’d like to think that when Alien X was created, it was one of only few that had the two personalities. Azmuth, figuring this out, gave them the opportunity to complete tasks with a third party tie breaker, the Omnitrix user. So the omnitrix is something that gives them action and almost “purpose”
@@deltastudios6632 I agree. I think her personalities just had differing opinions on how to handle the group. One might think to spare the others and punish or kill Aggregor Another might think to kill them all and one might want to actually do nothing and let the baby protect itself.
when I watched the episode I thought maybe they were powerful enough to perceive future events and she already knew Ben and his friends will defeat Agrgegor thus not requiring any action from her or the other nearby celestialsapiens
My personal head Cannon is that any fusion with a celetialsapian automatically produces a fusion WAY weaker than a celetialsapian but far better than the other alien
Personally, I feel the 'Galactic Gladiator' just happens to have a tri consciousness that likes to fight. The reason it seems so decisive is just they collective know how to, and enjoy, sparring. Like you say, it's not a fight to the death. It's just A Fight. The ending has multiple BEN consciousnesses throwing BEN Ideas at a triconsciousness, just confusing them enough that the Spar is called. Basically, 'Cool Fight, Bro'
Hmm... it does sound like Full Synchro in the Battle Network series... when NetOp and NetNavi are so in sync with each other that there is "zero delay between command and execution" because their desires are one and the same. The Gladiator doesn't have to do the whole "seconded" routine for every single decision, his personalities just _know_ they're in accord with every action... and when the Alien X Shadow Clone Jutsu happens, it's enough to throw off their groove just enough to make them vulnerable.
Alien x is basically just a metaphor for the executives of the show Changing stuff around, deciding and deliberating all the time, being passive aggressive
As far as Alien X existing before ben, I think it has to do with him existing outside of time. I think the moment Ben slammed the dial down, Alien X came into existence throughout all of time simultaneously.
I like to image that during the timeframe between the two quotes “We are one of the most powerful…” and “We’re the most powerful…” that another equally powerful being was present in their universe and has since than left and gone somewhere else. Or during that time, the two somewhat secretly took care of said other powerful being.
I am legit surprised the Final Move against the Celstial Gladiator confuses Ink Tank so much. It’s clear to me he’s missing the point and it appears obvious to me that the Means: Parts of the Vortex-Attack may have not done anything. Think about it like summoning Plushies, throwing Jojos and doing so much more, all at once, with Attack Power being irrelevant and the Confusion-Factor and the Number-Facotr being the only deciding thing. How unlikely is it that Ben said ‚I’m gonna confuse them now’ and then did not something that would confuse the Gladitor? No, the move was the vaguest yet cause it was meant to be Hyper-Vague. This attack could literally be named ‚Vague-Blast!!’
@@nenmaster5218 ok, but... Why reply this here? And even beyond that, it being vague does still make the attack hard to follow, because we have no real idea what it actually did, if anything at all. It just kinda happens then Ben wins
@@sevengeckos327 more like throwing a rock and saying its a grenade, and then afterwards throwing a real grenade at where they ran off to avoid the rock
It was always sad to me that all of Ben’s friends and family are dead because Ben recreated the universe instead of restoring everyone was replaced with clones.
I find it hilarious that Ben basically cannot die. Worst case scenario the Omnitrix will just turn him into Alien X or one of the more powerful aliens we know exist in the Omnitrix. The only thing that could really kill him would be a multiverse level destruction event.
@@adamzielke3541 not necessarily, obviously Alien X takes something definitely above multiversal levels of power to kill it but it doesn't make him unbeatable. Lots of characters in fiction have been shown to be above what Ben or Alien X has been capable of in their respective series'. Most characters that fall into that kind of levels of OP, at least from what I've seen, tend to spawn from comic books like DC characters (because of their multiple versions of superheroes and villains going way beyond multiversal and possibly outerversal on an almost regular basis), manga series, or sometimes neither like the SCP universe
Skye's theory on Atomic X is pretty much how I see it. Alien X just boosts already powerful alien's abilities with a diverse set of subskills. Durability, Teleportation, energy augmentation, etc.
However it had one drawback that ultimately led to his death which Alien may have been able to avoid without Atomix: Atomic was still bound by time, which X was not. Fusing with Atomix made X vulnerable to the effects of the time bomb, which X existing outside of time, should’ve survived In other words, Ben 10K played himself
The issue with Atomix X is the same issue I have with the Omniverse fusions, unlike the ones in OS, , he doesn't need to think outside the box, he just fuses two aliens as a rule of cool
49:00 Ben created a black hole. You can see the suction and the quasar's light beam on the other side of the mass. Ben said he wanted to make too many scenarios for the Gladiator to deliberate on. He made a black hole. He was both crushing and creating a vacuum around his opponent with the mass of a black hole.
This reminds me about once seeing a post about how when a guy was younger he was obsessed with Alien X, and so, as a kid, he went to his local internet search bar and put ‘alien x videos’. If only you were there back then.
Either that, or Bellicus is just annoyed whenever a Ben uses Alien X. He is a grump after all. Doesn't help with what Ben Prime did during his first time being Alien X that could make him that much more annoyed.
I'd actually argue that they like him, because they grant him free use. Assumedly, they never give any evil Ben free access to Alien X's full power, because that could be damaging to the literal multiverse. My assumption has been that only a truly good Ben with no malicious intent behind Alien X's use can be granted full free-use, because Bellicus and Serena are all-powerful. They could easily see all possible futures of the Ben they are working with.
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Exactly, because he couldn't make an agreement with him. What I theorise is that the more evil a Ben, the less agreeable Belacus and Serena will be (whether they actively know they're being more difficult or not is debatable.) I think Serena and Belacus are essentially a safeguard to make sure that would never be a threat to the omniverse can take full control of Alien X.
28:05 "and what other more important matters they are attending to?" Meanwhile the more important matters Celestial Sapiens are attending to: "Lmao, what if we brought back the dinosaurs?"
Ben 10 was a cool show and I'm glad you've been able to bring it to the forefront of people's minds. I think I've come across your videos here and there before (I love video essays) and it's really cool to hear that you've built your channel from it. Hope you continue to have much success!
I was always under the impression that Alien X's fame and legends among the universe were from just those two appearances alone, as impossible as that should be.
Or just the fact that someone realizes that there's cholesterol sapien DN and DNA in the yoni trick so Ben at any time could become a God Cholesterol yawning trick It's really auto correct
To spellcheck @@plantainsame2049 " Or just the fact that someone realizes that there's Celestialsapien DNA in the Omnitrix so Ben at any time could become a God"
i have a headcanon about celestialsapiens. They are created when a Universe is born. They have one conciousness inside them so they can create and alter the universe on a rapid scale. As they grow, so too does the universe they manipulate. And as they grow, they split off their personalities as a sort of puberty. Conflicting emotions and all that.
Actually Celestialsapiens only have 2 personalities, when we see them in their home dimension they're all frozen in place, their two minds in constant debate, what makes Ben's Alien X unique is that with Ben acting as a third vote he holds sway on which side the debates can be decided on At least that's how I've always interperated how the species works
Couldn't Alien X just have been so angry and frustrated in his final charge against reboot Ben/Four Arms that he wasn't concentrating to block the attack or protect himself from it?
Reboot Alien-X doesnt adhere to the rules from previous Ben 10 verses as the reboot is made for children who dont think about it and just want to see aliens fight each other.
@@bluefire9285 ben 10 was made for 10 year olds and tackling mature questions like morality and killing. It's even implied that many people died regulary during the episodes. The reboot was made for 4year olds who dont think nor would pay attention to any moral question being asked during their time watching the show.
I think perhaps professor paradox was the original inhibitor of Alien X, perhaps he was the original "voice of reason" who agreed to vacate the alien for azmuth to tie the alien to the omnitrix. This is just my own personal canon though, just something to explain his seeming unlimited power.
Maybe the Alien X “DNA” in the Omnitrix is less of a DNA sample but more of a key/doorway that would send Ben into Alien X rather than him becoming him like with other transformations. Maybe Paradox made a deal with the Celestialsapiens to get them to somehow make a DNA sample of Alien X to allow a future Ben to be able to join up with them. Less the Omnitrix is capable of taking a sample from a Celestialsapien and more like They made it so that the Omnitrix tied Ben and Alien X together. This could be why they hate Paradox so much. Maybe this is also why he could join Ben in Alien X, he can’t do it with his own power alone, it’s just that he is aware of a door into Alien X because he convinced Celestialsapiens to make it.
Atomic X is probably a special case where instead of diluting Alien X’s powers Ben might have debated with Bellicus and Serena to give Atomix a few select abilities.
So if Bellicus and Serena were the ones who pretty much recreated the universe but were being passive aggressive with Ben, did they intentionally mess with mr. smoothie as a permanent screw you?
Disputing stuff like "Alien x can beat this guy" or "Goku can beat this guy" starts being silly once you realize at any point any writer can give their characters a power up that makes them more powerful. All you have to do is type the name and design the transformation and boom. It's like Stan Lee said: I don't care who wins in a fight between Superman and Hulk, because I already know who wins: The characters the writer wants to win
I think that vs debates are built on this :- no plot aka show us what you can do and boom we are limiting you to what you can do, what you should do, and sometimes what people said you can do.... My problem with is is that..... Plot has been an ecception to many beings like scp 682 and toon force users which is unfair for me because now you are as powerful as the writer so write for yourself a omnipotent form and boom because having this power, kinda means you are above omnipotence which ummmm, doesn't make any sense, i started kinda giving up on vs debates in general but i still have fun in them, but if i can write a story where ash ketchum is omnipotent and make him fight tai and greymon , ummm...... Yeah that's kinda pointless, but that more over actually make me accept the loss of my favorite charecters in vs debates and their kinda fun to be honest, i somebtimes love debating, but if it goes a bit far i i start hating it, anyways thanks for your time and later 👍.
Yeah Goku still loses to X, the point is comparing the feats of characters, that's why debating is hard cause sometimes you've got this guy who could withstand a planet blowing up in his face, on the other hand the same guy gets beaten by a street level character. Alien X hasn't been beaten by anyone before so using him in debates is pretty easy, like if you bring up alien X beating Goku, and people don't believe you, you could just say alien X has never really lost but Goku was pierced by a Lazer in ssblue, you get it? Characters that Have consistency should be used for vs fights not characters who don't.
@@T1tanSalazar If Ben was in Dragon Ball after the end of Omniverse with the Master Control permanently activated, then everyone in it are jokes. No one can really beat him not even Zeno.
I've always had an idea that the Celestialsapiens are extremely self-centered and only care about themselves. It would explain why they don't do jack when Aggregor plans to rule the Universe, or Vilgax wiped out every single universe with the Chronosapien Time-Bomb, but seemed to take offense when Ben created a new universe to replace his old one. This belief that they are one of, if not the most supreme beings in existence means that if something doesn't involve them, then they don't give a rat's ass. This can be seen (sort of) in Omniverse when the Prime Universe is completely destroyed, and all Bellicus and Serena had to say about it was a slightly sympathetic remark from the latter. And if the Celestialsapiens change reality in the Prime Timeline on a whim, just because they can, then who knows what they could be doing to other universes?
It was revealed that the mother of the baby Celestialsapien was debating with her personalities on how to deal with the situation until the situation solved itself
i mean they are, they literally exist outside time and they can do whatever they want to reality, they are by any means the supreme beings in existence, since they control existence itself.... why would one of them care who when to control the universe or numerous timelines are destroyed, when they can just recreate infinite number of those with just a though? at any point of time, they could stop everything, why would they care?
@@poijnve3912 Eeeeeh, its more like they are akin to living infinty gems/stones. TOAA and 'The Presence' would neg most of fiction based on what we know about them, but we 'also' know that unless they absolutely fucking had to, they'd never actually interfere with the events of a story. Which I think TOAA has only done that once since his 'debut', and 'The Presence' might have never done so himself.
@@The-Singularity-X01 any alien X can manipulate any universe, the infinite stone only work in their universe. toaa and the presence arewell god, alien X aren't god techncialy speaking they trancend god because god didn't create time and alien X transend time~
11:48 I’d like to think that Azmuth was able to make contact with the celestialsapians and requested DNA for his invention. I’d think that the leaders would agree to provide a specifically formed one meant for the Omnitrix that only has 2 personalities. The purpose of the omnitrix would most likely convince beings who only act in logic and agreeable.
I personally think it's debatable whether the chrono sapien time bomb erasing atomix x is even indicative of whether or not alien x would have been able to survive it passively, since he's you now, removed from time. Duncan's explanation also makes sense to me, Atomix's dna dilutes Alien x's, and since Atomix does very much exist in the timeline, that makes Atomix x vulnerable to the time bomb, where as Alien x would not be. I see Atomix x as an upgrade to Atomix more than anything, while he is definitely weaker than Alien x, the presence of it's dna gives Atomix x a considerable power boost over regular Atmoix.
Haven't watched the video yet, but Atomix not surviving it isn't why I believe Alien x cannot be multiversal. It's because the omnitrix, with all its failsafe systems, doesn't even attempt to save Ben prime from being erased, which to me means no Alien Ben has is capable of surviving it, not even Alien X
@@joshrubio1336 Nah, that's probably more a limitation of the Omnitrix's failsafe... It can react to the big bang just fine since it can detect the massive energy from the expanding singularity. But conceptual existence erasure? Don't see it since it makes it so that Ben never existed in the first place. Omnitrix failsafe could not activate since Ben, and hell, the Omnitrix itself never existed. Plus we've seen it straight up not activate sometimes. Some people think that Ben can't die cause of the failsafe. But any decent hax attack/ability should be able to bypass it. Also it should be noted that it's implied that Alien X has existed before Ben, and will continue to exist even when Ben's not around in the future. So Ben being erased from the timeline should have not effect on a celestial sapien, who are removed from time.
@@joshrubio1336 that's different before the failsafe was introduced or at most didn't active as well s the fact that the celestial sapiens are just chilling looking at the multiverse being destroyed.
Also the fact that Ben doesn't become alien X but pilots him, he's like a bomb shelter, let's say there's this bomb that's gonna kill everyone, it can kill you too but you luckily have the bomb shelter that cannot be affected by the bomb, that alien X, alien X is always still conscious when Ben isn't using him, belecus and Serena still debate which back up the fact of Ben just borrowing his body
@@joshrubio1336 please stop Ben doesn't become alien X but pilots him, he's like a bomb shelter, let's say there's this bomb that's gonna kill everyone, it can kill you too but you luckily have the bomb shelter that cannot be affected by the bomb, that alien X, alien X is always still conscious when Ben isn't using him, belecus and Serena still debate which back up the fact of Ben just borrowing his body, you get that? Alien X is already beyond time and space and cannot be affected, the Omnitrix probably didn't activate cause the Omnitrix was already transferred to no watch Ben, and even if you wanna say the failsafe didn't work, Ben could've just gone alien X and survived, instead of punching it
I wonder, Aggregors whole plan was "absorb the baby celestialsapian so he can have it's power without having 3 personalities", but what if he ended up absorbing the babies personality too? Then he might just be stuck like Bellicus and Serena was, 1-1 with no tiebreaker😂
Honest thought is the third personality does not occur naturally and they usually have to have find a suitable one in the multiverse, one just showing up wanting to be a part of one is probably less of a headache.
51:22 I do like that Ben casually uses him like any other transformation. It shows how much Ben has grown and how alien x is an accessible tool in the box.
I think Ben used the omnitrix to transform into himself in the episode where he used Echo Echo to do everything he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure he specially mentioned setting the omnitrix to human as well. He wasn't simply transforming back, but transforming from Sonorosion to human, which has Ben as the default.
@@ralphthejedimaster I’m surprised they didn’t use that as the reason Ben couldn’t transform into an Anodite. The “no DNA” explanation is so confusing and contradictory when they just had to say “Ben is already part-Anodite”.
I have a theory, what if the celestialsapien that was scanned got sucked into the omnitrix, kinda like Ghostfreak, and that's where Bellicus and Serena are from? After all, the Celestialsapien Gladiator seems to lack a voice of reason, and so does Starbeard. What if the one who got scanned became Alien X, and that's how Bellicus and Serena has existed before Ben? The Omnitrix just put Ben into the scanned celestialsapien and boom, Alien X?
Given both act like the spot of Voice of Reason is natural and having three consciousnesses is better than two for deliberation, three is probably the standard. After all there should definitely be a tie breaker for ones like Bellicus and Serena to get things going. I just think Starbeard and the Galactic Gladiator are some of the most decisive and communicative. Maybe they simply speed things up in their own mind spaces to carry out their duties.
@@Master_E444 I believe Ben says something about the galactic gladiator not having any troubles deciding what to do, which is why I think that the galactic gladiator doesn't have a voice of reason. But hey, it's just a theory
In my opinion I find it more likely that Bellicus and Serena just agreed to be a part of the omnitrix likely for the sole purpose of getting a tie breaker. But that is just my theory
Imagine being capable of tanking any kind of damage just because you decide to not take damage. That being said, after watching this vid for an hour, it seems like Alien X is the physical manifestation of "rules". If that makes sense
@@fabianp.2986 they would basically be able to break natural law and order, chaos manipulation is a bit hard to explain or understand, at least in my opinion, but whatever the Chaos Emeralds from the Sonic the Hedgehog series can do, like time manipulation, reality warping, space manipulation, power augmentation, all that. An alien that can manipulate chaos has potential to do the sort, or they can basically disrupt anything around them, somewhat like Jinx from Teen Titans with her bad luck powers
So while talking about "Reboot" Alien X, I like the theory of multiple Omnitrices giving him some kind of powerup, like upgrading his abilities, like making his lasers more stronger and perhaps even his telekinesis.
My personal headcanon for the use of Atomic-X is that its an intentional, dramatic de-escalation of Alien-X's overwhelming power. Ben has always, near-pathologically, attempted to transform into aliens appropriately scaled to the current threat, only prevented from doing so by errors with omnitrix use. For Ben, use of Alien-X may run into an even worse version of the Superman "world of paper" problem. As Ben gains increasing perspective of Alien-X's capabilites, he would be forced to keep track of every action he takes as Alien-X, incase he say, in a moment of rage, deleted people, places or events from having ever existed, or something else he might come to regret having done. Needless to say, this would render Alien-X extremely stressful for a mature Ben. Ben's most powerful aliens are shown to be Atomix, Clockwork, Feedback and Way Big, with Alien-X in an entirely different league. Thus, the X-fusions would be used to super-charge these 4. So Atomic-X would have unlimited (note: not infinite, just as much as Ben thinks he will need) strength, ClockX would have unlimited time powers/speed, X-Feed would have unlimited energy manipulation and Big-X would have unlimited cosmic awareness. Basically, they'd split the main aspects of Alien-X that Ben would want to use, with less risk of mistakes on Ben's part. I would greatly appreciate hearing what other fans think of this headcanon of Atomic-X. (Thanks for reading this if you got to here btw 😁)
I just assumed like…..fusing alien x makes it weaker but also bypasses having to argue, and since alien x is so incredibly powerful making it weaker still leaves it as the 2nd most powerful thing in creation by far and ben just thinks it’s worth it, and i just assume it gets destroyed because even though it’s incredibly powerful there is still an incredible divide between how powerful it is and how powerful a normal celestial sapien is, so it gets destroyed, ben didn’t know how powerful the energy was and so just assumed hed be able to tank it, it’s like how power-wise theres everything in existence and then there’s celestial sapiens leagues on leagues stronger then the rest, and in the middle you have celestial sapien fusions, easily more powerful then everything else in the universe combined a million times over, but nowhere near a celestial sapien
Their children's toy was more advanced than the Omnitrix, and they were stated to be 26-dimensional, as opposed to the Contumelia's 5 dimensions. Probably one of the strongest races in all of Ben 10.
@@joseruizdiaz9622 Advanced technology means advanced weapons. The Contumelia with their mere 5-D could manufacture Universe destroying/creating bombs, imagine what the Naljians can do.
Celestial sapiens are not bounded to time, meaning the chronosapien time bomb would not affect them, neither would Malturant's ability to freeze time. Atomic x is pretty much Atomix but with largely enhanced abilities and some of X's minor abilities like teleportation. Its not that Atomic x wasn't ready for the chrono bomb explosion and could have avoided it if he knew what would happen, its that even if he knew what the explosion would do, he just could not avoid it at all. While X or a true Celestial sapien would not be affected by it at all because they are not bounded to time.
The reason ben was probably able to block the celestial gladiators attack so easily is due to the fact the omnitrix turns Ben into the prime/top of the line version of the specific alien species he becomes as mentioned in other episodes of the show
A reason why Ben 10k might use Atomic-X instead of just Alien X can be to avoid the Celestosapien council and the rules about not interfering. It might get a significant downgrade in power compared to Alien X, but at the same time not being a full Celestosapien might exempt him from their rules.
17:33 when they said “we are one the most powerful beings in the universe” and “We’re the most powerful being in the universe” I made a joke that the other powerful creatures just died before she said they are the most powerful
During the "hybrid alien X" discussion, I thought about how to make that idea more interesting. I agree that the hybrids should be weaker, but the biggest change I would make is that Bellicus and Serena could change to match the alien mentally. This cuts them off from seeing everything in the universe, so they can be surprised more easily but also lets them act more. Because they would change mentally, they can act without Ben more often, possibly making small things happen as he pilots the body or even taking control of the body away from him. This would limit how often he wants to use them just like normal alien X while also making it more interesting. So a grey matter hybrid would make them more calculating compared to how single-minded they can usually be. Plus, the tiny hybrid could create massive machines with its mind. A Wild mutt hybrid could be more primitive and literally change the area he is in into a jungle for him to hunt. If you want to go wild, it would have three heads for each of the personalities. A Rath hybrid would be hilarious, I have no idea what would happen to Serena, but Bellicus literally wouldn't change.
Other hybrids could be: Heatblast +Alien X: Cosmic flames, similar to Ghost Rider Ghostfreak +Alien X: Able to possess even gods, or just create endless darkness. Downside is that the personalities can override the transformation.(Like Bellicus could just do a Z'Skayr) Clockwork +Alien X: Able to rewrite time and space without consequences Pesky Dust +Alien X: Able to perform mind control and telepathy at a universal scale, like Jean Grey.
Anur Vladyus's perspective from DJW mixed with some of Man of Action's word are what I think works best for the out of series canonicity, Paradoxs and anamolies being able to override Alien X is something very interesting and would make a lot of sense.
Hey now I think of it…. Vilgax was kinda right, with absolute power Ben could recreate the universe to wipe out all evil or do it however he likes in UA’s finale. Ben did just that in Omiverse but chose to recreate the universe as perfectly as he can and all the antagonists after the anhilarg scene are existing because ben willed them to be there. Scary to think he could theoretically just remove all his enemies from the existence…
I love the theory that celestialsapians both follow the rules of the reality they are in, but can also change them. It validates the existence of the court (unaccounted changes in the rules of their universe are put on trial), but also explains “plot holes” like the existence of Anur Vladius. They are basically one of those kids that change the rules of a game whenever they are about to lose, except they actually have the power to change the rules.
I think the mother didn't do anything because she already knew nothing would happen because she is above time , its like if a doctor found a harmless cell in a baby that the immune system can easily destroy
It's possible Galactic Gladiator was trying to precognitively perceive or guess everything each Alien X clone was doing. And it just happened to appear as a singularly/vortex to the out of universe/lower lifeform perception perspective. And on another note. Because it's a trial by combat, using omniscient power over everything on each other might not constitute "combat". It's also possible two Celestialsapiens cannot affect one another via direct influence. Requiring anywhere from a third party or a full on jury or council of Celestialsapiens to settle disputes when it comes to altering or effecting one another.
I think 5YL emphasized that a lot. His reluctance to use Alien X is what makes him so human, not accepting the powers of a cosmic being who can change reality in any way. He realized that that isnt the way to be a hero, to thrust upon the ideals to the Universe.
@@pjdianalan7934 ok, but if you can use Alien X consequence free and there's a giant monster thing screwing up reality, then anyone that gets hurt because he didn't use Alien X is his fault lol
My theory on the reboot alien X, is that because Ben forcefully unlocked him by banging the Watch, maybe that had something to do with him not being at full power, perhaps he damaged it or something.
I think Alien X's mind space is similar to Other World or King Kai's World from DB. Goku can teleport to these realms with Instant Transmission, but it's been implied in that anime that no one, regardless of how advanced their tech is can travel to those realms.
1:38:34 I think my best explanation for this moment is that the Ben controlling him ISN'T TRULY focused. To explain, this is a Ben that has gone around stealing Omnitrices from across the multiverse. Every time we saw him shut down a Four Arms assault, he always had multiple emblems to show how far he had progressed in his goals and his confidence in his ability to enact them, as well as his overwhelming advantage. By the time the final clash happens, we are in a different position. This is a Ben who has had all of that confidence and planning literally ripped away from him to return to where he started. Theoretically, even if the various Omnitrices were little more than trophies, just this fact would cause great turmoil. The standard Ben template has historically been shown to be prone to impulse against better reason and past performance, and this Ben is no exception. Despite having every advantage in the scenario, when faced with unprecedented loss, he lashes out emotionally to end the conflict, rather than focusing on using his power intelligently and steeling himself to do the work all over again. His emotions are getting the better of him, and causing him to under think the scenario, leading to his downfall.
Ah, yes, the most broken alien to ever exist. I know there's people who like this guy, but it says a lot that so many of Ben's desperate stories completely ignore Alien X. He can fix almost anything, and is an ultimate deus ex machina.
Kuro seems to prefer Alien X over Way Big, and I concur that Alien X has a more interesting conceptual power set, however ironically Way Big is significantly less Deus Ex Machina-y through Way Big's far more clear limits.
I feel the biggest mistake was giving Ben full control over Alien X in any way shape or form, instead of doing the opposite and doubling down on the fact the debates get more difficult and each time he changes there is even less of a chance Bellicus and Serena will allow him to do what he wants to do (ontop of also either retconing or no longer using time dilation so all the debates have to happen in real time). Without the caveat that ben has to try and convince 2 beings who could not care less about the stakes of the universe about what he wants to do, it does just make Alien X the Deus X Machina where in Ben has no excuse to not always just be using him in any given situation where there is a risk of someone getting killed or hut. Omniverse in general runs into a bit of a issue where they seem to often not have characters take high stakes or large threats seriously. Its one of the many reason i dislike Omniverse. I also equally find in weird/dumb in general that the way Ben convinces the two of them to give full control to him is to....present the prospect that if he pilots Alien X that they can debate endlessly among the two of them. Even though their whole thing in the first appearance was wanting Ben present because without a 3rd voice they were trapped in a endless stalemate that neither of them liked. So why on earth is it now, suddenly that's a thing they WANT to do, and is somehow the big thing to convince them (considering aswell they already do that when Ben is not transformed). It makes him unlock full control of Alien X not only be a problem, but also feel completely unearned.
@@njrk97 at least in 5YL, Ben knows this, he knows it's a pointless Deus ex machina and it's not in his place to rewrite reality just to save the day. He intentionally put mental blocks since his morality depends on it.
Alien X is not a Deus ex Machina, it was established and shown off in the episode x=Ben+2 He is OP but a deus ex machina is when a situations is solved by a contrived and unexpected answer
Yeah that does seem kind of weird. Honestly I think that part of why forearms was able to take him down with that double punch was because alien X's confidence had taken a massive nosedive. Concentration is one thing but concentration without confidence and it's just not the same
I know I’m in the minority, but I just LOVE Omniverse. They are SOOOOOO in depth with everything! The explanation of the art style changing is sooooo good and didn’t need to be made but they did it anyways!
My only explanation for Reboot-X's defeat is that he made a very brash, very *_Ben_* decision, focusing everything on offense turning himself into a glass cannon.
To answer the universe vs tennyson thing, it is likely that his point was to create too many moving targets for the gladiator to focus on thus basically rendering him unable to make a decisive action l
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so, when 2 celestial sapiens fight it can either: A. they both hold back so they dont destroy the multiverse for no reason and just throw some punches B. destroy the multiverse and possibly the omniverse trying to kill each other C. basically 2 children playing (example could be a kid making a super-one-hit-ultra-destruction-attack-that-cant-be-blocked and the other kid makes a super-one-hit-ultra-destruction-attack-that-cant-be-blocked-shield) and ends up on a giant nothing for eternity
@@prodigy1636 wouldn't the omniverse be every multiverse or universes in existence rolled in to one? I mean that is essentially the definition marvel comics uses at least.
19:25 Can we also just point out that the Ultimatrix is meant to be a separate device from the Omnitrix? Like...Albedo stole the core that would create the Ultimatrix. So that just tacks on to how Omniscient Alien X is, that they can remember how underutilized they were in the old Omnitrix
Perhaps the multiple Omnitrixes not only suppress the Alien X personalities and give this Ben full control, but also allow him to remain in Alien X form indefinitely, given he falls out of the form after the last extra Omnitrix is removed.
1:40:25 Alien V isn't the only transformation to also incorporate the users DNA. Nanomech is also a DNA hybrid, comprised of Nanochip DNA and Ben's DNA.
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I just realized, could Ben multiply himself with Alien X and use them all together because he's been in forms that do the same thing like Echo Echo and Ditto?!?
When he said 'too much contradiction between the writers' I really felt that. It's Erin Hunter all over again. So thanks for this video Rob, it really helped clear things up for me.
In response to the deliberation limit, I think Ben made a black hole. In theory, presuming you could survive the inside of a black hole, it would have fundamentally different laws of physics from the rest of reality. This is because the gravity well would be so powerful energy would cease functioning like it does outside of the singularity since all events in existence can only occur from the movement of energy and a black hole's gravity should stop energy from moving, but then that should cause the black hole to undo its own existence meaning that physics have to change for a black hole to continue functioning. I think what the show is implying is that when Ben sucked the Galactic Gladiator into the hole the maelstrom of the hole combined with different laws of physics forced the Gladiator to decide between: A. How to properly survive in the black hole B. Should he keep fighting Ben(since he is the black hole) or if he should escape him C. How he would go about fighting/running from the hole And, all of that was further compounded with the strange physics. Which logically. the Gladiator should have known of, but that should still would require getting used to them. The context of the narrative seems to imply that the Gladiator is someone who trained to be that decisive which is why it was chosen to fight. If so, it's not unreasonable to believe fighting in a black hole would be the Alien X version of fighting on terrain your not used to. This is all conjecture of course, but based on what I see that's what makes sense to me
From what it looks like, I think Ben was created a black hole to defeat the Gladiator and in such, it would have to make too many decisions on how to escape. And because it was directly made by a celestialsapian, would be able to over power one
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Well, to simplify this Alien X is typically the most powerful creature in the Omnitrix’s catalog of aliens. The scary part is that “They” can adjust and modify themselves and the entire universe instantly as needed though limited by the permission system all Celestial Sapients have upon maturity.
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1. “Don’t Celestialsapians only have two personalities, not three?”
Not exactly clear. Ben joins Bellicus and Serena with an already-designated title, The Voice of Reason, implying that this is the norm for them, and they’ve been waiting for Ben to complete their set. However, in the Galactic Gladiator match, Ben & Starbeard make a remark about Gladiator only having two. Whether they naturally have two or three, it does not affect any of the following information and feats.
2. “In the intro, don’t you mean 2017, not 2007?”
I’ve been making videos/ been involved in the Ben 10 community since 2007. I showed the thumbnail of a video from 2017 because that was the biggest turning point.
3. Although, I DID accidentally say “2006 Reboot” instead of 2016, and there is a typo in the title for “X=Ben+2”.
If you making explanations about other planets or worlds or diminishin please do this
paradox interacting with Alien X could possibly not be a question of where, but a question of when
and it could be theorised that Alien X started existing when ben first transformed into him, but from then on his existence could span for years before ben's initial transformation.
kind of like how the speed force was created at the very moment Barry Allen gained his powers and from then on it exist through out all space and time, and that every step that Barry Allen takes adds to the speed force as a source of power for other speedsters.
maybe some C.Ss are born with a mutation. the mutation being that when they develop, when normally C.Ss would have 3 personalities, some only develop 2. this could be the case with Alien X. they're apparently made of DNA and generate heat, so genetic mutations should be possible.
Hmm. So the GG being so decisive compared to other Celestialsapiens is either because his two personalities don’t contradict each other as much or because he only has two compared to the three.
Or both. Who knows
I love that the Celestialsapient Council wasn't even going to hurt Ben, or undo his Universe, just give him a fine of like 5 dollars. Very chill of them.
probably happens a lot
Well Ben has Alien X which can protect him and he can always re:create the universe again so that would just endup in an infinite loop
@@youtubestudiosucks978 also could be that him recreating the universe was such an insignificant action in the grand scheme of everything that it really was the equivalent of spending 5 dollars to a celestialsapien.
@@eboyicecream1305 what do you gift somebody who already has everything?
All of that for 5 bucks?
Paradox saying "I'm not supposed to go within 500 lightyears of them" gives off "I'm not allowed within 500 yards of a school" vibes and that is so goddamn funny to me
Got a restraining order from a species
@@machomanrandysavage5879 Not just that, he got a restraining order from God
@@suarez9108 he was probably checking out some celestial sapient girl and he got ambushed by a bunch of people after realizing that she was pregnant and people thought he was checking out the baby know he is known as a perverted time traveling scientist
so true lol
@@suarez9108 so true hahahaha
The idea that Bellicus and Serena ruined Ben’s favorite smoothie flavor out of spite is hilarious
yeah
it can be even more hilarious if you think serena was the one that got that idea
@@luissaumeth8000”Ben’s been drinking far too many smoothies, he needs to drink healthier”
@@SuperDestroyerFox”you’re saying that’ll make Tennyson mad? Motion carried.”
@@HuneeBruh Ben(while talking in his sleep)”_*No. Mo re ,smooth E*_”
Sooo, could we say that inconsistency in Kevin's backstory is just Celestialsapiens changing his story, his father's story and Max's memories of Kevin's dad?
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Yes but realistically they wouldn’t waste their time doing that😂
That means there's a bunch of Celestialsapiens who are constantly debating over Kevin.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT and they waste time debating over ever little thing.
@Hooty HOOT HOOT oh no i agree im saying they think about ALMOST EVERYTHING like its crazy. I wonder if alien x came from daydreaming to much as i can relate to those voices inside of alien x as i am a maladaptive daydreamer
“How many timelines can a Chronosapien Time bomb destroy?”
Vilgax: Y E S
“Eenie, meanie, miney…..all of them!”
Lol
@@CyborgCharlotte *Piccolo voice*: “ALL OF THEM?!?!?!??!!1!”
I am legit surprised the Final Move against the Celstial Gladiator
confuses Ink Tank so much.
It’s clear to me he’s missing the point and it appears obvious to me that the
Means: Parts of the Vortex-Attack may have not done anything. Think about it like summoning Plushies, throwing Jojos and doing so much more, all at once, with Attack Power being irrelevant and the Confusion-Factor and the Number-Facotr being the only deciding thing.
How unlikely is it that Ben said ‚I’m gonna confuse them now’ and then did not something that would confuse the Gladitor? No, the move was the vaguest yet cause it was meant to be Hyper-Vague. This attack could literally be named ‚Vague-Blast!!’
@@nenmaster5218 you have said this in multiple threads. we get it. now shut up
I'm not gonna lie. Trying to convince the personalities wouldn't be that bad if Ben ever tried learning how to argue with them. He seems to just get annoyed with them and give up.
its becouse elien x is like op item that makes game brain dead
It’s mainly because whenever Ben Transforms, He runs the risk of Forever being stuck In the Mind Scape never being allowed to leave unless all 3 agree with this Idea. When I first understand Alien X. I always thought that Ben turning Into It for no reason just to talk to Bellicose and Serena would just piss them off for waising there time by him just bothering them for no reason because they always know what’s going on. I Alway saw Alien X as a Emergency last resort to go Onto when everything Is F***ED. Otherwise If he bothers them for no reason, they’ll just be annoyed and choice to never help him again for wasting there time. So when Ben would Need Alien X, They wouldn’t allow It
true, he never tried to even communicate properly instead always got mad every time they argued.
@@andrescastillo7328 Well If you were trapped In a dimension you didn’t know how long you’d be In, You would probably get annoyed too.
I'm confused. I watched the entire video but what power level/tier is alien x categorized as? How powerful is he really.
I think the reason why the gladiator was “afraid” of alien x was because whenever he turns into an alien, he turns into the most healthy, fit, etc. version of the alien which means alien x is a step above your average celestial sapient, or even the most decisive one.
interesting thought
Does this mean that Alien X is technically a better version of itself?
@@ABCodeX It is actually a better version of it's own species so in a way yes
I don’t think for celestial sapiens that applies
Plus even Serena said that was the most decisive celestial sapien she’s ever seen
Imagine how powerful Ben would be if he just agreed to spend an hour a day debating with Alien X. His other personalities probably wouldn’t hate him so much.
He should have done that, but set a rule that if a threat showed up, they would pause their current debate to decide whether or not to deal with said threat. I wanted more Alien X, because Bellicus and Serena are so fun
Genuinely I kinda just wanna see a spinoff of Ben arguing with them
@@aldusty7373 or they could just literally stop time while they debate.....
@@bluebarrymore5442 Yeah, but then Bellicus and Serena could see Ben's side more, and Ben could understand them better too
@@aldusty7373 i mean in theory ben could stop time indefinitely and just have one long conversation and then check in every once in awhile.
The smoothie cup creation isn’t actually ignoring conservation of energy. They can just take the atoms in the air (or lonely atoms drifting in space), rearrange the protons, neutrons and electrons and then create a cup “out of thin air”. Just because there isn’t any solid matter around it’s still air all around us.
Which is cooler though?
Could also just be having enough energy and converting it into matter which is still pretty ilpressive
@@GundlefralphYeah, it’s funny to think the Alien X is just an alchemist.
That's a great idea but what atoms did Ben use when he created a new universe? Since multiple people admitted that the universe was "destroyed" its hard to believe that there were even any to use, sorry for the reply, i know you said this 2 years ago😂
@@animegod9585If the universe can be "destroyed", it can be "created". If we're following that matter cannot be created or destroyed, then the universe were never gone, just achieved maximum entropy which is within alien x's ability to reverse entropy
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@@specialgamer9745 what's happening in their discord?
The Ink Tank really went “Alright it’s the 400K special, here’s a feature length movie breaking down everything about Benjamin Tennyson’s most powerful alien.”
God these guys never fail to out do themselves.
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True true
@Hooty HOOT HOOT take my movie take it or leave it
I think the Gladiator is having an inner debate with his other personalities after his defeat. That would explain why he's motionless and not saying anything as celestialsapians are completely motionless when in a mental debate
I like to imagine all the other celestial sapiens we see just floating in the forge of creation are just deadlocked on whether they should save the dinosaurs, every single one of them, that’s all they argue about.
When the T-posing aliens are obsessed with yoshi and other dinosaurs.
I want to see a video discussing pre retcon beyonder, its hard to tell his power level compared to Alien X.
this is actually why they all choose not to be omniscient. they just don't wanna be constantly perceiving the dinosaur debate 😪😪
@@jkjordon1 beyonder cant manipulate time so alien X can just stop time, kick him in his nuts, resume time and then travel back in time to kick him in his nuts again
@@youtubestudiosucks978 how can u kick a multiverse ?
Fun Fact: Remember how Ben fused all of the Highbreed with random DNA samples from the Omnitrix? At least one of those Highbreeds is confirmed to have Celestialsapien DNA.
I had thought about that, when it was confirmed?
@@BrandonTBlackwell But in what post
@@SantinoPR It was confirmed by Dwayne McDuffie as an answer to a question. It seems the post is no longer available.
He also received a follow up question:
"Can this Highbreed use Alien X's powers, then?"
"Probably not."
@@deltastudios6632 Thanks
@@deltastudios6632 He probably just gets two morons arguing in his head and giving him a migrane.
My theory for Reboot Alien X's power is that when he transformed, he broke the Omnitrix, which limited his power, so absorbing other Omnitrixes helps stabilize his own Omnitrix and allows him to access more of his power
So wouldn't just one omnitrix fully restore alien x's power
@@cheesefart570 i dont think he actually wears it, he just... stuck it there like a sticker
Or one thing that the reboot is dogshit
That ben is never really learn about the omnitrix and never met azmuth. So he would have a way less understanding of the omnitrix, so other than sticking it together he wouldn't really know how to fix it
I also like to believe other celestial Saphians purposely agree to nerf this reboot evil Ben alien x
I think a good story arc for Alien-x is that he was born with a deficiency resulting in him only having 2 personalities (Serena and Bellicus) so the Celestialsapien allowed Azmuth to "absorb" Alien-x instead of absorbing his DNA (not even sure the Omnitrix can do this) to give Alien-x the third personality the Omnitrix wielder.
I mean if the celestialsapien wanted the omnitrix to be able to absorb specifically them they could make it possible
I mean there’s ghost freak and the sentient Ultimate Aliens
@@hattoripool1533 that's a unique case the ultimates were a glitch given life but ghost freak is alive because echtoneurite DNA itself is sentient so by taking a sample they basically cloned the original alien.
I've wondered if that's the case. that some celestialsapiens only have 2 personalities that are complete opposites of one another and never make a decision on their own.
and that others like the galactic gladiator likewise had only 2 personalities but they were very similar and could agree on decisions much more easily.
This is an amazing theory
I still like to imagine that Ben’s overconfidence with Rook and Argit immediately after the universe destruction is his way of coping with the grief. He can’t comprehend what just happened, so instead of confronting that existentially horrific topic, he blusters it away.
In Universe v. Tennyson, when they get him to confess, I think Ben’s breakdown isn’t just about getting the smoothie flavors wrong. It’s all those bottled-up emotions, not knowing how much else he might’ve changed by accident. Is his family still the same? Are his friends? Is anyone? He doesn’t know, and he clearly tries not to think about it, but the smoothie flavors being wrong is just a daily reminder of how badly he screwed up.
I think hes also the reason why he and Kai were bound to be together in the future, despite OS saying otherwise.
@@pjdianalan7934 that's probably Belicus and Serena screwing with Ben
@@lcc2348 I really love this idea for some reasons.
This is also probably the reason Gwen got redesigned.
I mean, that episode was way too dark and horrifying when I try remembering it. It is just pure horror, knowing that nothing will actually be the same again since the true destruction of the universe Ben lives in.
I’d like to think that when Alien X was created, it was one of only few that had the two personalities. Azmuth, figuring this out, gave them the opportunity to complete tasks with a third party tie breaker, the Omnitrix user. So the omnitrix is something that gives them action and almost “purpose”
It was confirmed that in Forge of Creation, the mother celestialsapien was debating on what to do.
“Should I let this amalgam of creatures absorb my child or should I make a taco? Hmmmm?”
@@axelnilsson5124 She probably wanted to stop it, but was debating on how to do it. Which considering how Celestialsapiens are, could take forever.
@@deltastudios6632 I agree.
I think her personalities just had differing opinions on how to handle the group.
One might think to spare the others and punish or kill Aggregor
Another might think to kill them all
and one might want to actually do nothing and let the baby protect itself.
They were arguin in her head whether or not the dinosaurs or her baby is more important to save.
when I watched the episode I thought maybe they were powerful enough to perceive future events and she already knew Ben and his friends will defeat Agrgegor thus not requiring any action from her or the other nearby celestialsapiens
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@@EJK2099 Agreed
My personal head Cannon is that any fusion with a celetialsapian automatically produces a fusion WAY weaker than a celetialsapian but far better than the other alien
Personally, I feel the 'Galactic Gladiator' just happens to have a tri consciousness that likes to fight. The reason it seems so decisive is just they collective know how to, and enjoy, sparring. Like you say, it's not a fight to the death. It's just A Fight. The ending has multiple BEN consciousnesses throwing BEN Ideas at a triconsciousness, just confusing them enough that the Spar is called.
Basically, 'Cool Fight, Bro'
Hmm... it does sound like Full Synchro in the Battle Network series... when NetOp and NetNavi are so in sync with each other that there is "zero delay between command and execution" because their desires are one and the same. The Gladiator doesn't have to do the whole "seconded" routine for every single decision, his personalities just _know_ they're in accord with every action... and when the Alien X Shadow Clone Jutsu happens, it's enough to throw off their groove just enough to make them vulnerable.
Alien x is basically just a metaphor for the executives of the show
Changing stuff around, deciding and deliberating all the time, being passive aggressive
And debating ideas
Underrated Comment.
As far as Alien X existing before ben, I think it has to do with him existing outside of time. I think the moment Ben slammed the dial down, Alien X came into existence throughout all of time simultaneously.
Or it was made up statement
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Yes also please make a video on Professor Paradox
I like to image that during the timeframe between the two quotes “We are one of the most powerful…” and “We’re the most powerful…” that another equally powerful being was present in their universe and has since than left and gone somewhere else.
Or during that time, the two somewhat secretly took care of said other powerful being.
I am legit surprised the Final Move against the Celstial Gladiator
confuses Ink Tank so much.
It’s clear to me he’s missing the point and it appears obvious to me that the
Means: Parts of the Vortex-Attack may have not done anything. Think about it like summoning Plushies, throwing Jojos and doing so much more, all at once, with Attack Power being irrelevant and the Confusion-Factor and the Number-Facotr being the only deciding thing.
How unlikely is it that Ben said ‚I’m gonna confuse them now’ and then did not something that would confuse the Gladitor? No, the move was the vaguest yet cause it was meant to be Hyper-Vague. This attack could literally be named ‚Vague-Blast!!’
@@nenmaster5218 ok, but... Why reply this here? And even beyond that, it being vague does still make the attack hard to follow, because we have no real idea what it actually did, if anything at all. It just kinda happens then Ben wins
@@borderlinecrazy6444 its meant to be vague and since its vague, the Galactic Gladiator doesn't know how to counter or defend against
@@hypermaeonyx4969 like throwing a flash bang at someone saying it was a firecracker
@@sevengeckos327 more like throwing a rock and saying its a grenade, and then afterwards throwing a real grenade at where they ran off to avoid the rock
It was always sad to me that all of Ben’s friends and family are dead because Ben recreated the universe instead of restoring everyone was replaced with clones.
Probably late as fuck but legerdomain probably wasn't touched so the souls might be the same thus basically being same people
clones that act exactly like the original so you can't tell but only ben knows
I find it hilarious that Ben basically cannot die. Worst case scenario the Omnitrix will just turn him into Alien X or one of the more powerful aliens we know exist in the Omnitrix. The only thing that could really kill him would be a multiverse level destruction event.
by that logic shouldn't we just kick Ben out of VS matches entirely?
really a multiverse destruction doesnt kill him
@@adamzielke3541 yes we should but fans are always gonna argue about dumb stuff like vs battles that pretty much have a pre determined outcome.
@@adamzielke3541 not necessarily, obviously Alien X takes something definitely above multiversal levels of power to kill it but it doesn't make him unbeatable. Lots of characters in fiction have been shown to be above what Ben or Alien X has been capable of in their respective series'. Most characters that fall into that kind of levels of OP, at least from what I've seen, tend to spawn from comic books like DC characters (because of their multiple versions of superheroes and villains going way beyond multiversal and possibly outerversal on an almost regular basis), manga series, or sometimes neither like the SCP universe
Try someone with hax like Ajimu Najimi, who has billions of powers, or someone on a similar tier like Doctor Manhattan.
Skye's theory on Atomic X is pretty much how I see it. Alien X just boosts already powerful alien's abilities with a diverse set of subskills. Durability, Teleportation, energy augmentation, etc.
However it had one drawback that ultimately led to his death which Alien may have been able to avoid without Atomix: Atomic was still bound by time, which X was not. Fusing with Atomix made X vulnerable to the effects of the time bomb, which X existing outside of time, should’ve survived
In other words, Ben 10K played himself
If Celestialsapiens are weak to anomalies, then they would probably steer clear of universes like Gravity Falls and the SCP universe.
The issue with Atomix X is the same issue I have with the Omniverse fusions, unlike the ones in OS, , he doesn't need to think outside the box, he just fuses two aliens as a rule of cool
@Hooty HOOT HOOT yeah but it gives no benefits if not making him weaker then alien x
@@wheresprototype3507 You no longer need to get two other personalities to agree with your actions, so its essentially a way stronger Atomix
@@just_a_tepig3611 yeah, the benefit then is ben can do whatever he wants without any issues but is weaker in power,
@@wheresprototype3507 To say atomic X has no benefit is to say any alien that's not alien x has no benefit
@@just_a_tepig3611 it has 1 benefit where ben has full control but he looses a lot of power in return.
49:00
Ben created a black hole.
You can see the suction and the quasar's light beam on the other side of the mass.
Ben said he wanted to make too many scenarios for the Gladiator to deliberate on. He made a black hole. He was both crushing and creating a vacuum around his opponent with the mass of a black hole.
This reminds me about once seeing a post about how when a guy was younger he was obsessed with Alien X, and so, as a kid, he went to his local internet search bar and put ‘alien x videos’.
If only you were there back then.
Going by the “Alien X exists in every single timeline as one being” thing does that mean Bellicus and Serena just personally hate Prime Ben
Maybe
Either that, or Bellicus is just annoyed whenever a Ben uses Alien X. He is a grump after all. Doesn't help with what Ben Prime did during his first time being Alien X that could make him that much more annoyed.
I'd actually argue that they like him, because they grant him free use. Assumedly, they never give any evil Ben free access to Alien X's full power, because that could be damaging to the literal multiverse. My assumption has been that only a truly good Ben with no malicious intent behind Alien X's use can be granted full free-use, because Bellicus and Serena are all-powerful. They could easily see all possible futures of the Ben they are working with.
@@epoch7661 I mean Albado was trap in Alien X for a month.
@@KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Exactly, because he couldn't make an agreement with him. What I theorise is that the more evil a Ben, the less agreeable Belacus and Serena will be (whether they actively know they're being more difficult or not is debatable.) I think Serena and Belacus are essentially a safeguard to make sure that would never be a threat to the omniverse can take full control of Alien X.
28:05 "and what other more important matters they are attending to?"
Meanwhile the more important matters Celestial Sapiens are attending to: "Lmao, what if we brought back the dinosaurs?"
Bunch of John Hammond
Ben 10 was a cool show and I'm glad you've been able to bring it to the forefront of people's minds. I think I've come across your videos here and there before (I love video essays) and it's really cool to hear that you've built your channel from it. Hope you continue to have much success!
Also missed opportunity to call Alien X's Mind Space the "X Space"
I was always under the impression that Alien X's fame and legends among the universe were from just those two appearances alone, as impossible as that should be.
Or an alien x just implanting in their mind
Or just the fact that someone realizes that there's cholesterol sapien DN and DNA in the yoni trick so Ben at any time could become a God
Cholesterol yawning trick It's really auto correct
To spellcheck @@plantainsame2049 " Or just the fact that someone realizes that there's Celestialsapien DNA in the Omnitrix so Ben at any time could become a God"
@@plantainsame2049Go back to English class
i have a headcanon about celestialsapiens. They are created when a Universe is born. They have one conciousness inside them so they can create and alter the universe on a rapid scale. As they grow, so too does the universe they manipulate.
And as they grow, they split off their personalities as a sort of puberty. Conflicting emotions and all that.
Actually Celestialsapiens only have 2 personalities, when we see them in their home dimension they're all frozen in place, their two minds in constant debate, what makes Ben's Alien X unique is that with Ben acting as a third vote he holds sway on which side the debates can be decided on
At least that's how I've always interperated how the species works
Me as well
Some celestialsapiens are also more decisive than others like starbeard and the galactic gladiator
The creators confirmed Ben being a third personality as a unique case celestialsapiens have two normally
Couldn't Alien X just have been so angry and frustrated in his final charge against reboot Ben/Four Arms that he wasn't concentrating to block the attack or protect himself from it?
Reboot Alien-X doesnt adhere to the rules from previous Ben 10 verses as the reboot is made for children who dont think about it and just want to see aliens fight each other.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 ben 10 has always been made for children
@@bluefire9285 ben 10 was made for 10 year olds and tackling mature questions like morality and killing. It's even implied that many people died regulary during the episodes.
The reboot was made for 4year olds who dont think nor would pay attention to any moral question being asked during their time watching the show.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 the reboot was made for 10 year olds as well by that logic, since it has onscreen death and mature topics
@@bluefire9285 you can google for what ages the show was made... imagine not knowing how google woks...
I think perhaps professor paradox was the original inhibitor of Alien X, perhaps he was the original "voice of reason" who agreed to vacate the alien for azmuth to tie the alien to the omnitrix. This is just my own personal canon though, just something to explain his seeming unlimited power.
Maybe the Alien X “DNA” in the Omnitrix is less of a DNA sample but more of a key/doorway that would send Ben into Alien X rather than him becoming him like with other transformations. Maybe Paradox made a deal with the Celestialsapiens to get them to somehow make a DNA sample of Alien X to allow a future Ben to be able to join up with them. Less the Omnitrix is capable of taking a sample from a Celestialsapien and more like They made it so that the Omnitrix tied Ben and Alien X together. This could be why they hate Paradox so much. Maybe this is also why he could join Ben in Alien X, he can’t do it with his own power alone, it’s just that he is aware of a door into Alien X because he convinced Celestialsapiens to make it.
he mentioned your comment in the vid i watched before this😂
@@luhhchiDamn, really? Which one?
Atomic X is probably a special case where instead of diluting Alien X’s powers Ben might have debated with Bellicus and Serena to give Atomix a few select abilities.
So if Bellicus and Serena were the ones who pretty much recreated the universe but were being passive aggressive with Ben, did they intentionally mess with mr. smoothie as a permanent screw you?
Disputing stuff like "Alien x can beat this guy" or "Goku can beat this guy" starts being silly once you realize at any point any writer can give their characters a power up that makes them more powerful. All you have to do is type the name and design the transformation and boom.
It's like Stan Lee said: I don't care who wins in a fight between Superman and Hulk, because I already know who wins: The characters the writer wants to win
Facts
I think that vs debates are built on this :- no plot aka show us what you can do and boom we are limiting you to what you can do, what you should do, and sometimes what people said you can do.... My problem with is is that..... Plot has been an ecception to many beings like scp 682 and toon force users which is unfair for me because now you are as powerful as the writer so write for yourself a omnipotent form and boom because having this power, kinda means you are above omnipotence which ummmm, doesn't make any sense, i started kinda giving up on vs debates in general but i still have fun in them, but if i can write a story where ash ketchum is omnipotent and make him fight tai and greymon , ummm...... Yeah that's kinda pointless, but that more over actually make me accept the loss of my favorite charecters in vs debates and their kinda fun to be honest, i somebtimes love debating, but if it goes a bit far i i start hating it, anyways thanks for your time and later 👍.
Yeah Goku still loses to X, the point is comparing the feats of characters, that's why debating is hard cause sometimes you've got this guy who could withstand a planet blowing up in his face, on the other hand the same guy gets beaten by a street level character. Alien X hasn't been beaten by anyone before so using him in debates is pretty easy, like if you bring up alien X beating Goku, and people don't believe you, you could just say alien X has never really lost but Goku was pierced by a Lazer in ssblue, you get it? Characters that Have consistency should be used for vs fights not characters who don't.
@@T1tanSalazar If Ben was in Dragon Ball after the end of Omniverse with the Master Control permanently activated, then everyone in it are jokes. No one can really beat him not even Zeno.
@@calvinkopp1735 not xeno goku
I've always had an idea that the Celestialsapiens are extremely self-centered and only care about themselves. It would explain why they don't do jack when Aggregor plans to rule the Universe, or Vilgax wiped out every single universe with the Chronosapien Time-Bomb, but seemed to take offense when Ben created a new universe to replace his old one.
This belief that they are one of, if not the most supreme beings in existence means that if something doesn't involve them, then they don't give a rat's ass. This can be seen (sort of) in Omniverse when the Prime Universe is completely destroyed, and all Bellicus and Serena had to say about it was a slightly sympathetic remark from the latter.
And if the Celestialsapiens change reality in the Prime Timeline on a whim, just because they can, then who knows what they could be doing to other universes?
It was revealed that the mother of the baby Celestialsapien was debating with her personalities on how to deal with the situation until the situation solved itself
It's probably a consequence of being so powerful that it massively affects their empathy.
i mean they are, they literally exist outside time and they can do whatever they want to reality, they are by any means the supreme beings in existence, since they control existence itself....
why would one of them care who when to control the universe or numerous timelines are destroyed, when they can just recreate infinite number of those with just a though?
at any point of time, they could stop everything, why would they care?
@@poijnve3912 Eeeeeh, its more like they are akin to living infinty gems/stones. TOAA and 'The Presence' would neg most of fiction based on what we know about them, but we 'also' know that unless they absolutely fucking had to, they'd never actually interfere with the events of a story. Which I think TOAA has only done that once since his 'debut', and 'The Presence' might have never done so himself.
@@The-Singularity-X01 any alien X can manipulate any universe, the infinite stone only work in their universe.
toaa and the presence arewell god, alien X aren't god techncialy speaking they trancend god because god didn't create time and alien X transend time~
11:48 I’d like to think that Azmuth was able to make contact with the celestialsapians and requested DNA for his invention. I’d think that the leaders would agree to provide a specifically formed one meant for the Omnitrix that only has 2 personalities.
The purpose of the omnitrix would most likely convince beings who only act in logic and agreeable.
I personally think it's debatable whether the chrono sapien time bomb erasing atomix x is even indicative of whether or not alien x would have been able to survive it passively, since he's you now, removed from time. Duncan's explanation also makes sense to me, Atomix's dna dilutes Alien x's, and since Atomix does very much exist in the timeline, that makes Atomix x vulnerable to the time bomb, where as Alien x would not be. I see Atomix x as an upgrade to Atomix more than anything, while he is definitely weaker than Alien x, the presence of it's dna gives Atomix x a considerable power boost over regular Atmoix.
Haven't watched the video yet, but Atomix not surviving it isn't why I believe Alien x cannot be multiversal. It's because the omnitrix, with all its failsafe systems, doesn't even attempt to save Ben prime from being erased, which to me means no Alien Ben has is capable of surviving it, not even Alien X
@@joshrubio1336 Nah, that's probably more a limitation of the Omnitrix's failsafe...
It can react to the big bang just fine since it can detect the massive energy from the expanding singularity. But conceptual existence erasure? Don't see it since it makes it so that Ben never existed in the first place. Omnitrix failsafe could not activate since Ben, and hell, the Omnitrix itself never existed. Plus we've seen it straight up not activate sometimes.
Some people think that Ben can't die cause of the failsafe. But any decent hax attack/ability should be able to bypass it.
Also it should be noted that it's implied that Alien X has existed before Ben, and will continue to exist even when Ben's not around in the future. So Ben being erased from the timeline should have not effect on a celestial sapien, who are removed from time.
@@joshrubio1336 that's different before the failsafe was introduced or at most didn't active as well s the fact that the celestial sapiens are just chilling looking at the multiverse being destroyed.
Also the fact that Ben doesn't become alien X but pilots him, he's like a bomb shelter, let's say there's this bomb that's gonna kill everyone, it can kill you too but you luckily have the bomb shelter that cannot be affected by the bomb, that alien X, alien X is always still conscious when Ben isn't using him, belecus and Serena still debate which back up the fact of Ben just borrowing his body
@@joshrubio1336 please stop
Ben doesn't become alien X but pilots him, he's like a bomb shelter, let's say there's this bomb that's gonna kill everyone, it can kill you too but you luckily have the bomb shelter that cannot be affected by the bomb, that alien X, alien X is always still conscious when Ben isn't using him, belecus and Serena still debate which back up the fact of Ben just borrowing his body, you get that? Alien X is already beyond time and space and cannot be affected, the Omnitrix probably didn't activate cause the Omnitrix was already transferred to no watch Ben, and even if you wanna say the failsafe didn't work, Ben could've just gone alien X and survived, instead of punching it
I wonder, Aggregors whole plan was "absorb the baby celestialsapian so he can have it's power without having 3 personalities", but what if he ended up absorbing the babies personality too? Then he might just be stuck like Bellicus and Serena was, 1-1 with no tiebreaker😂
Honest thought is the third personality does not occur naturally and they usually have to have find a suitable one in the multiverse, one just showing up wanting to be a part of one is probably less of a headache.
51:22 I do like that Ben casually uses him like any other transformation. It shows how much Ben has grown and how alien x is an accessible tool in the box.
I think Ben used the omnitrix to transform into himself in the episode where he used Echo Echo to do everything he wanted to do. I'm pretty sure he specially mentioned setting the omnitrix to human as well. He wasn't simply transforming back, but transforming from Sonorosion to human, which has Ben as the default.
thing about that is, the omnitrix disables the transformation that matches its wearers species
@@ralphthejedimaster it was the ultimatrix that did it, so it's likely a flaw Albedo made
@@knie1172 basically, but only available on the Ultimatrix that Albedo made.
@@ralphthejedimaster I’m surprised they didn’t use that as the reason Ben couldn’t transform into an Anodite. The “no DNA” explanation is so confusing and contradictory when they just had to say “Ben is already part-Anodite”.
@@SebasTian58323 if it's just in the ultimatrix, can ben transform into a human with omnitrix?
I have a theory, what if the celestialsapien that was scanned got sucked into the omnitrix, kinda like Ghostfreak, and that's where Bellicus and Serena are from? After all, the Celestialsapien Gladiator seems to lack a voice of reason, and so does Starbeard. What if the one who got scanned became Alien X, and that's how Bellicus and Serena has existed before Ben? The Omnitrix just put Ben into the scanned celestialsapien and boom, Alien X?
Given both act like the spot of Voice of Reason is natural and having three consciousnesses is better than two for deliberation, three is probably the standard. After all there should definitely be a tie breaker for ones like Bellicus and Serena to get things going. I just think Starbeard and the Galactic Gladiator are some of the most decisive and communicative. Maybe they simply speed things up in their own mind spaces to carry out their duties.
@@Master_E444 I believe Ben says something about the galactic gladiator not having any troubles deciding what to do, which is why I think that the galactic gladiator doesn't have a voice of reason.
But hey, it's just a theory
In my opinion I find it more likely that Bellicus and Serena just agreed to be a part of the omnitrix likely for the sole purpose of getting a tie breaker. But that is just my theory
Dwayne McDuffie on his old forums stated that belicus and Serena are kinda apart of alien x’s dna.
Only reason that happened is because Z had died in the outside world but his DNA was scanned in he omnitrix so he has a second To live
So, does this mean that Celestialsapians are also responsible for 5YL's art style?
Yes
@@TheInkTankthat was awesome
Imagine being capable of tanking any kind of damage just because you decide to not take damage. That being said, after watching this vid for an hour, it seems like Alien X is the physical manifestation of "rules". If that makes sense
What he say goes but he doesn’t always say it.
Basically the physical representation of order. Idk if the Celestialsapiens' decision making and rule bending can count as Order Manipulation
@@emanuelrojas2 Perfectly worded
@@phantom-X2086 what would an alien that has "chaos" as an ability look like/do?
@@fabianp.2986 they would basically be able to break natural law and order, chaos manipulation is a bit hard to explain or understand, at least in my opinion, but whatever the Chaos Emeralds from the Sonic the Hedgehog series can do, like time manipulation, reality warping, space manipulation, power augmentation, all that. An alien that can manipulate chaos has potential to do the sort, or they can basically disrupt anything around them, somewhat like Jinx from Teen Titans with her bad luck powers
So while talking about "Reboot" Alien X, I like the theory of multiple Omnitrices giving him some kind of powerup, like upgrading his abilities, like making his lasers more stronger and perhaps even his telekinesis.
My personal headcanon for the use of Atomic-X is that its an intentional, dramatic de-escalation of Alien-X's overwhelming power. Ben has always, near-pathologically, attempted to transform into aliens appropriately scaled to the current threat, only prevented from doing so by errors with omnitrix use.
For Ben, use of Alien-X may run into an even worse version of the Superman "world of paper" problem. As Ben gains increasing perspective of Alien-X's capabilites, he would be forced to keep track of every action he takes as Alien-X, incase he say, in a moment of rage, deleted people, places or events from having ever existed, or something else he might come to regret having done. Needless to say, this would render Alien-X extremely stressful for a mature Ben.
Ben's most powerful aliens are shown to be Atomix, Clockwork, Feedback and Way Big, with Alien-X in an entirely different league. Thus, the X-fusions would be used to super-charge these 4. So Atomic-X would have unlimited (note: not infinite, just as much as Ben thinks he will need) strength, ClockX would have unlimited time powers/speed, X-Feed would have unlimited energy manipulation and Big-X would have unlimited cosmic awareness. Basically, they'd split the main aspects of Alien-X that Ben would want to use, with less risk of mistakes on Ben's part.
I would greatly appreciate hearing what other fans think of this headcanon of Atomic-X. (Thanks for reading this if you got to here btw 😁)
Damn amazing conclusion
I just assumed like…..fusing alien x makes it weaker but also bypasses having to argue, and since alien x is so incredibly powerful making it weaker still leaves it as the 2nd most powerful thing in creation by far and ben just thinks it’s worth it, and i just assume it gets destroyed because even though it’s incredibly powerful there is still an incredible divide between how powerful it is and how powerful a normal celestial sapien is, so it gets destroyed, ben didn’t know how powerful the energy was and so just assumed hed be able to tank it, it’s like how power-wise theres everything in existence and then there’s celestial sapiens leagues on leagues stronger then the rest, and in the middle you have celestial sapien fusions, easily more powerful then everything else in the universe combined a million times over, but nowhere near a celestial sapien
Superman is garbage.
Kryptonians are stupid overrated weaklings.
Alien X? More like... Alien SEX
Officially my canonical version.
I always wondered how powerful that one alien was, it shows up for a cube that replicates anything infront of it which was a toy for it's child.
That was some awesome creature
Their children's toy was more advanced than the Omnitrix, and they were stated to be 26-dimensional, as opposed to the Contumelia's 5 dimensions. Probably one of the strongest races in all of Ben 10.
The Naljian. Though I don't think they are necessarily the strongest, they could just have a more advanced technology and civilization, we don't know.
I wished they could have explored orher dimension beings like this one in some episodes.
@@joseruizdiaz9622 Advanced technology means advanced weapons. The Contumelia with their mere 5-D could manufacture Universe destroying/creating bombs, imagine what the Naljians can do.
Celestial sapiens are not bounded to time, meaning the chronosapien time bomb would not affect them, neither would Malturant's ability to freeze time. Atomic x is pretty much Atomix but with largely enhanced abilities and some of X's minor abilities like teleportation. Its not that Atomic x wasn't ready for the chrono bomb explosion and could have avoided it if he knew what would happen, its that even if he knew what the explosion would do, he just could not avoid it at all. While X or a true Celestial sapien would not be affected by it at all because they are not bounded to time.
The reason ben was probably able to block the celestial gladiators attack so easily is due to the fact the omnitrix turns Ben into the prime/top of the line version of the specific alien species he becomes as mentioned in other episodes of the show
A reason why Ben 10k might use Atomic-X instead of just Alien X can be to avoid the Celestosapien council and the rules about not interfering. It might get a significant downgrade in power compared to Alien X, but at the same time not being a full Celestosapien might exempt him from their rules.
17:33 when they said “we are one the most powerful beings in the universe” and “We’re the most powerful being in the universe” I made a joke that the other powerful creatures just died before she said they are the most powerful
During the "hybrid alien X" discussion, I thought about how to make that idea more interesting.
I agree that the hybrids should be weaker, but the biggest change I would make is that Bellicus and Serena could change to match the alien mentally. This cuts them off from seeing everything in the universe, so they can be surprised more easily but also lets them act more. Because they would change mentally, they can act without Ben more often, possibly making small things happen as he pilots the body or even taking control of the body away from him. This would limit how often he wants to use them just like normal alien X while also making it more interesting.
So a grey matter hybrid would make them more calculating compared to how single-minded they can usually be. Plus, the tiny hybrid could create massive machines with its mind.
A Wild mutt hybrid could be more primitive and literally change the area he is in into a jungle for him to hunt. If you want to go wild, it would have three heads for each of the personalities.
A Rath hybrid would be hilarious, I have no idea what would happen to Serena, but Bellicus literally wouldn't change.
Other hybrids could be:
Heatblast +Alien X: Cosmic flames, similar to Ghost Rider
Ghostfreak +Alien X: Able to possess even gods, or just create endless darkness. Downside is that the personalities can override the transformation.(Like Bellicus could just do a Z'Skayr)
Clockwork +Alien X: Able to rewrite time and space without consequences
Pesky Dust +Alien X: Able to perform mind control and telepathy at a universal scale, like Jean Grey.
Let me tell you something voice of reason hahahaha
It's crazy how much information can be gathered with how little screen time alien x really had. I love analysis videos like this.
Anur Vladyus's perspective from DJW mixed with some of Man of Action's word are what I think works best for the out of series canonicity, Paradoxs and anamolies being able to override Alien X is something very interesting and would make a lot of sense.
Hey now I think of it….
Vilgax was kinda right, with absolute power Ben could recreate the universe to wipe out all evil or do it however he likes in UA’s finale.
Ben did just that in Omiverse but chose to recreate the universe as perfectly as he can and all the antagonists after the anhilarg scene are existing because ben willed them to be there.
Scary to think he could theoretically just remove all his enemies from the existence…
But in hindsight, he chose not too.
@@pjdianalan7934 yeah
He's a good person and a hero, not a vigilante. he wants to save everyone.
I love the theory that celestialsapians both follow the rules of the reality they are in, but can also change them. It validates the existence of the court (unaccounted changes in the rules of their universe are put on trial), but also explains “plot holes” like the existence of Anur Vladius. They are basically one of those kids that change the rules of a game whenever they are about to lose, except they actually have the power to change the rules.
I think the mother didn't do anything because she already knew nothing would happen because she is above time , its like if a doctor found a harmless cell in a baby that the immune system can easily destroy
It's possible Galactic Gladiator was trying to precognitively perceive or guess everything each Alien X clone was doing.
And it just happened to appear as a singularly/vortex to the out of universe/lower lifeform perception perspective.
And on another note.
Because it's a trial by combat, using omniscient power over everything on each other might not constitute "combat".
It's also possible two Celestialsapiens cannot affect one another via direct influence. Requiring anywhere from a third party or a full on jury or council of Celestialsapiens to settle disputes when it comes to altering or effecting one another.
Ben has the power to do anything but it's limited to his own moral code and human nature. He is the god of all and none.
I think 5YL emphasized that a lot. His reluctance to use Alien X is what makes him so human, not accepting the powers of a cosmic being who can change reality in any way. He realized that that isnt the way to be a hero, to thrust upon the ideals to the Universe.
@@pjdianalan7934 ok, but if you can use Alien X consequence free and there's a giant monster thing screwing up reality, then anyone that gets hurt because he didn't use Alien X is his fault lol
My theory on the reboot alien X, is that because Ben forcefully unlocked him by banging the Watch, maybe that had something to do with him not being at full power, perhaps he damaged it or something.
I think Alien X's mind space is similar to Other World or King Kai's World from DB. Goku can teleport to these realms with Instant Transmission, but it's been implied in that anime that no one, regardless of how advanced their tech is can travel to those realms.
Imagine a crossover that would allow Ben to transform into a Xenomorph, a Kryptonian, ALF, a Decapodian or Roger's species from American Dad.
Or yoda species from star wars
Viltrumite from invincible
Time lord from dr who
Eternal from marvel
Invader Zim.
5yl be like
@@jasminegobuster3847 Witch from the Owl House, Dream Demon from Gravity Falls, Cybertronian, Pokemon, SCP, so many possibilities.
1:38:34 I think my best explanation for this moment is that the Ben controlling him ISN'T TRULY focused. To explain, this is a Ben that has gone around stealing Omnitrices from across the multiverse. Every time we saw him shut down a Four Arms assault, he always had multiple emblems to show how far he had progressed in his goals and his confidence in his ability to enact them, as well as his overwhelming advantage. By the time the final clash happens, we are in a different position. This is a Ben who has had all of that confidence and planning literally ripped away from him to return to where he started. Theoretically, even if the various Omnitrices were little more than trophies, just this fact would cause great turmoil. The standard Ben template has historically been shown to be prone to impulse against better reason and past performance, and this Ben is no exception. Despite having every advantage in the scenario, when faced with unprecedented loss, he lashes out emotionally to end the conflict, rather than focusing on using his power intelligently and steeling himself to do the work all over again. His emotions are getting the better of him, and causing him to under think the scenario, leading to his downfall.
Ah, yes, the most broken alien to ever exist.
I know there's people who like this guy, but it says a lot that so many of Ben's desperate stories completely ignore Alien X. He can fix almost anything, and is an ultimate deus ex machina.
Kuro seems to prefer Alien X over Way Big, and I concur that Alien X has a more interesting conceptual power set, however ironically Way Big is significantly less Deus Ex Machina-y through Way Big's far more clear limits.
I feel the biggest mistake was giving Ben full control over Alien X in any way shape or form, instead of doing the opposite and doubling down on the fact the debates get more difficult and each time he changes there is even less of a chance Bellicus and Serena will allow him to do what he wants to do (ontop of also either retconing or no longer using time dilation so all the debates have to happen in real time). Without the caveat that ben has to try and convince 2 beings who could not care less about the stakes of the universe about what he wants to do, it does just make Alien X the Deus X Machina where in Ben has no excuse to not always just be using him in any given situation where there is a risk of someone getting killed or hut. Omniverse in general runs into a bit of a issue where they seem to often not have characters take high stakes or large threats seriously. Its one of the many reason i dislike Omniverse.
I also equally find in weird/dumb in general that the way Ben convinces the two of them to give full control to him is to....present the prospect that if he pilots Alien X that they can debate endlessly among the two of them. Even though their whole thing in the first appearance was wanting Ben present because without a 3rd voice they were trapped in a endless stalemate that neither of them liked. So why on earth is it now, suddenly that's a thing they WANT to do, and is somehow the big thing to convince them (considering aswell they already do that when Ben is not transformed). It makes him unlock full control of Alien X not only be a problem, but also feel completely unearned.
@@njrk97 at least in 5YL, Ben knows this, he knows it's a pointless Deus ex machina and it's not in his place to rewrite reality just to save the day. He intentionally put mental blocks since his morality depends on it.
Alien X is not a Deus ex Machina, it was established and shown off in the episode x=Ben+2
He is OP but a deus ex machina is when a situations is solved by a contrived and unexpected answer
Too bad people use omniverse as proof to wank him into deus ex machina using ambiguous arguments
Yeah that does seem kind of weird. Honestly I think that part of why forearms was able to take him down with that double punch was because alien X's confidence had taken a massive nosedive. Concentration is one thing but concentration without confidence and it's just not the same
I know I’m in the minority, but I just LOVE Omniverse. They are SOOOOOO in depth with everything! The explanation of the art style changing is sooooo good and didn’t need to be made but they did it anyways!
I agree completely
Same it’s the best arc 🥲
I love omniverse too.
Same
Ben 10 reboot tops all the others
Head canon: Kevin can lift Alien X easily because he's actually incredibly light. Alien X is a cardboard box.
I return here to honor Kevin Conroy's performance as Bellicus in the Alien Force
My only explanation for Reboot-X's defeat is that he made a very brash, very *_Ben_* decision, focusing everything on offense turning himself into a glass cannon.
Can we talk about how cool the Kuro consciousness looks that's some 10/10 shit
I'm sorry but for me it looks like a mask with ball sacks at the bottom 😂
To answer the universe vs tennyson thing, it is likely that his point was to create too many moving targets for the gladiator to focus on thus basically rendering him unable to make a decisive action l
I watched this whole video from beginning to end and I can’t lie to you this has got to be one of the best videos on this channel. Also I agree with everything Kuro said this video coincidentally and I can’t forget to to say congratulations on hitting 400k that is a huge milestone well done InkTank
so, when 2 celestial sapiens fight it can either:
A. they both hold back so they dont destroy the multiverse for no reason and just throw some punches
B. destroy the multiverse and possibly the omniverse trying to kill each other
C. basically 2 children playing (example could be a kid making a super-one-hit-ultra-destruction-attack-that-cant-be-blocked and the other kid makes a super-one-hit-ultra-destruction-attack-that-cant-be-blocked-shield) and ends up on a giant nothing for eternity
Or D debating
The last one is super funny to think about lol
Lol, don't mean to be offensive or come off as a know it all, but in your opinion, how would you describe the omniverse?
@@prodigy1636 wouldn't the omniverse be every multiverse or universes in existence rolled in to one? I mean that is essentially the definition marvel comics uses at least.
@@prodigy1636 pretry decent,
Not as good as Alien Force or Ultimate Alien but way more fun to watch
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Can we also just point out that the Ultimatrix is meant to be a separate device from the Omnitrix? Like...Albedo stole the core that would create the Ultimatrix. So that just tacks on to how Omniscient Alien X is, that they can remember how underutilized they were in the old Omnitrix
Perhaps the multiple Omnitrixes not only suppress the Alien X personalities and give this Ben full control, but also allow him to remain in Alien X form indefinitely, given he falls out of the form after the last extra Omnitrix is removed.
1:40:25 Alien V isn't the only transformation to also incorporate the users DNA. Nanomech is also a DNA hybrid, comprised of Nanochip DNA and Ben's DNA.
Appreciate that you make this video don't know how much afford you put into this but really amazing video, Thanks for the effort
What a masterpiece of a video. I love every single video you put out. No creator I’ve encountered has been able to consistently live up to and exceed my expectations every single time I watch them. Thank you for entertaining me always
Space Dandy 😼
I just realized, could Ben multiply himself with Alien X and use them all together because he's been in forms that do the same thing like Echo Echo and Ditto?!?
When he said 'too much contradiction between the writers' I really felt that. It's Erin Hunter all over again. So thanks for this video Rob, it really helped clear things up for me.
Finally.... We've all been waiting since infinity for the explanation of an infinite alien I guess heheheh.. Much love Ink Tank
In response to the deliberation limit, I think Ben made a black hole. In theory, presuming you could survive the inside of a black hole, it would have fundamentally different laws of physics from the rest of reality. This is because the gravity well would be so powerful energy would cease functioning like it does outside of the singularity since all events in existence can only occur from the movement of energy and a black hole's gravity should stop energy from moving, but then that should cause the black hole to undo its own existence meaning that physics have to change for a black hole to continue functioning.
I think what the show is implying is that when Ben sucked the Galactic Gladiator into the hole the maelstrom of the hole combined with different laws of physics forced the Gladiator to decide between:
A. How to properly survive in the black hole
B. Should he keep fighting Ben(since he is the black hole) or if he should escape him
C. How he would go about fighting/running from the hole
And, all of that was further compounded with the strange physics. Which logically. the Gladiator should have known of, but that should still would require getting used to them. The context of the narrative seems to imply that the Gladiator is someone who trained to be that decisive which is why it was chosen to fight. If so, it's not unreasonable to believe fighting in a black hole would be the Alien X version of fighting on terrain your not used to.
This is all conjecture of course, but based on what I see that's what makes sense to me
From what it looks like, I think Ben was created a black hole to defeat the Gladiator and in such, it would have to make too many decisions on how to escape. And because it was directly made by a celestialsapian, would be able to over power one
Missed your content, man! I hope you had a good first month of the year, and I also hope you take it easy on yourself! You're a really cool person, and self care is super important. I know how draining social media and content creation can be, and we're all grateful for your work in the Ben 10 fanbase. Congrats on 400k!!
Congratulations on the 400k! You and everyone on the Ink Tank team brought back interest in Ben 10. He is my favorite hero of all time! I'm glad to be part of this community of enjoying and debating Ben 10. Keep up the good work! 👍🏾
Well, to simplify this Alien X is typically the most powerful creature in the Omnitrix’s catalog of aliens. The scary part is that “They” can adjust and modify themselves and the entire universe instantly as needed though limited by the permission system all Celestial Sapients have upon maturity.
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These guys have helped me get back into Ben 10 and I still have to read 5YL! Let’s go for 1mil subs!! So glad to see them grow after subbing sometime ago!
I probably will never get over how much of a gem Ben 10 is. It has to be the most complex sci-fi cartoon of all time that was actually written for young people. Written before it's time. We are really here discussing the platonic concepts of reality. Kids who grow up in space will dead ass carry the legends of this show as humanity climbs the ladder of scientific understanding. We'll be knocking on worm holes in Ben 10 will still be relevant, think about that