I’m a huge fan of the Mega Man franchise and I’ve known most of the plot for both timelines pretty well but I’ve never looked at how Wily’s actions from the classic series influenced the rest of the original timeline. But I’ve always seen Wiel is Wily but as some kind of clone.
Little heads-up: It's been heavily implied that Wily's conciousness was digitalised and copied, and then was put on at least 2 Reploids, them being Serges from X2 and Isoc in X6. So when Sigma says "I met an old man who knows a lot about you" he might actually have met Wily in a different body, under a different name. Like Serges, who was working for Sigma as a X Hunter.
Not to mention he was basically torturing Zero with memories and messages in X4 and 5 Had zero not been so conflicted with what he was seeing in "dreams" he might not have been so closed off after killing iris, in X5 and X8 u can see he's still broken up about it, in X5, he wouldn't have offered to STAY dead(an act that did little to nothing besides mess X up and make him more adverse to fighting, which we see in X7) and maybe wouldve come up with an idea for the mother elf much sooner than he did It also caused him to not care too much about Layer, which, although it was small, Zero wouldve hopped down sooner if he wasn't beating himself up over iris death(sumn sigma, and basically wily caused). Wily cockblocked his own son😂😂
Maybe they are just theories, when, proven wrong, instead of keeping insisting on the same thing, they change, adapt to new info and get closser to the truth... But I had not see the first video, so dunno
Yeah, you can definitely count this as Wily's win when seeing it from the perspective that humans are wiped out, and that Zero outlasted X... But you could also see this as Dr.Light's win, if you instead see it from the perspective that humans and robots are finally living in harmony as the carbons, with there still being a Megaman out there to protect the peace.
Zero outlasted X, but he was also in stasis for at least a century when X was still active, technically making X older than Zero by about a century by the time X died in Zero 2. X effectively lived a longer life than Zero.
@@ziqi92 I wouldn't consider X to be dead until Zero3, but yeah, he had technically a longer life. But then again, it seems like the Wily Virus outlasted them both, since Mavericks seem to be an issue even as far as in the Legends era.... Although as far as we know the virus might have been long gone, and "maverick" may simply have changed its meaning to "criminal".
Sigma is suitable for realizing Wily's ambitions, but not Wily's technical expertise. The X5 reference to an old man may refer to Wily's consciousness manifesting in Serges (and later Isoc.) Weil seems to be a copycat (which is on point for the Z series), but one could speculate that Wily's consciousness had eventually found a way to manipulate a human host unbeknownst to them.
True Moral of the story. Always treat your friend and partner with respect. Always try to help and care about their ideas. [Wily wouldn't have become evil if Dr. Light shared and worked together with him to combine their ideas instead of rejecting them for what he considered a better option (Megaman 11)]
They show his shadow, and say part of his name, but no, its never CLEARLY and 100% sure shown. It could be Dr. William who looks something like willie.
@Omega Zero Yep I remember that one too. But its not clear its him. He does not call it zero. As the video says it is HEAVILY implied in multiple games, but I personally do not remember any instance where its 100% confirmed. Maybe MMX4 as someone mentioned above in zero's dream sequences.
dr wily: turns himself into a virus glitchtrap: turns himself into a digital virus dr wily: can control robots glitchtrap: can control humans me: visable confusion
Man really went 'we never got any sort of confirmation that Zero was one of Dr Wily creations' even though they show Zero being shown in an official game twice Bro I can't
I actually talked about that theory in a blog I made on Nintendo Amino back in 2018(the day before Smash Ultimate released XD) which you can check out below(I honestly could have made the blog a little longer, but I think I drove the message home lol) aminoapps.com/c/nintendo/page/blog/a-mario-land-theory/PzjK_4rTmuNmekvJ62nMVBwP4j3w2l8W5J To put it in summary, alternate universes ;)
I mean, he's plan to create perfect creature absolutly free based on robot worked. And it was the best ending for everybody. Manking was destroy for something better.
The best part is that the "wily is innocent " can work with this new one because the point was take wily can make robot rampage thanks to doctor light giving free will to robots.
Mega Man Video 1: Wily's Actually Innocent Mega Man Video 2: Wily Literally Killed Humanity. "Students, due to this information, we can confirm that there is actually a Mega Man multiverse."
The only problem with this theory- when exactly didn't Dr. Wily state he wanted to wipe out humanity? It always seemed he wanted to "Take Over the World", (as you noted the early virus caused Robot (Master)s to emulate), via Robots... Ruling over a dead world never seemed to his goal. So, how did he win- the series doesn't end with Wily (or his continuation) ruling over humanity, or even a world of robots/carbons- flipping the table doesn't mean you've won the game, just ended it.
No. He did win, at least for a period of time. Almost everything was destroyed by Dr.Wily by the end of mega man zero 4. Its only after several years that magaman zx takes place and thats when we even see proper civilization compared to the other games in the franchise.
I think I have an answer. He want his will to to rule the world to continue but after going from host to host, the virus learns which caused a mutation to the programing. It shifted to destroy and conquer to just destroy everything that stands in the way. Or hits a dead end when there's one human left.
Yeah. It's really Willy's fault honestly. But at the same time, it's not like humans just disappeared into nothing. They left the carbons behind... Who are essentially human/reploid hybrids that were born after many centuries of... closeness.
Wiley is the physical embodiment of that motivational Michael Jordan quote: "I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
Unless you count the part of carbons existing as fulfilling Dr.Light's wish of having humans and robots live as one. In which case it means that Wily was oneupped yet again.
You do realise Wily’s goal never was to wipe out humanity at all, just rule the world because he believed he knew what’s best for humanity’s benefit? …it’s not a complaint, it’s just an observation.
I just imagine him in the afterlife "Hahahaha, My plan worked, Humanity is now extinct after so long.... Wait.... Maybe that was a LITTLE bit excessive
"maybe it was overkill, I could have just accepted and move on, make my own inventions and help humanity achieve peace instead of holding a grudge... Oh well, too late for that I guess, I'm dead anyways"
@@maniram5089 actually THE Xs are meant to be place holders. Imaginary numbers used as a way to avoid committing to specific dates in order to avoid making canonical errors.
@Ghetto Peasant Hmmm maybe... Human race is just a term that is commonly used, I don't know if human species is the correct term to use in that situation there. Thanks 👍
Dr. Light is at fault here. He built only 1 Robot, Megaman, to stop Dr. Wily, and because of the success he had, he didn't even try to improve anything else.
"A man gets rejected by an institution and then in his rage starts a giant war that changes the course of human history forever" *I feel like I've heard that story before...*
"Last time, on Megaman Game Theory Discussions: *BLAME IT ALL ON DR. LIGHT* " (lolz) I think the title should actually read... "How Mega Man _Prolonged_ Humanity's Demise"
tbh wily's influence was gone after the mother elf eliminated all traces of the sigma virus, after this point wily's influence is no more everything that happened afterwards is just the world moving on.
Nah the writer is actually pretty smart he had an entire storyline written out with a whole bunch of games spanning between classic to ZX series to that weird network one I dunno the name
@@kartyy4101 Megaman Battle Network and Megaman Starforce are technically a separate timeline. In it, Dr.Light goes into internet research instead of robotics, but Wily is on the same course. Light still ends up revolutionizing the world, Wily still acts out. By the end of the Battle Network games though, Wily's finished. For the Starforce end of the timeline, the villains are all aliens if I remember correctly.
there was another butterfly effect in the timeline where Dr. Light research into living computer programs, instead of AI robots creating the Battle Network timeline
I mean you gotta respect it, Wily is the original "I'm about to destroy this man's whole career." They say when you dig a grave for revenge you should dig 2, wily said I'ma take it a step further.
I literally have been essentially telling my friends more or less the contents of this video when I explain the Megaman timeline, now I have this instead
If memory serves, X was put in hibernation to run countless simulations so as to always be able to make the correct moral choice in any decision. But he was awoken early by mistake, and used as the prototype for all other robots (Called “Reploids” because they replicated X). And Dr. Light’s capsules were hidden here and there to help X face future threats, which seemed to be abundant throughout the entire X series. So I’ve always wondered: Did X truly, really ever get out of hibernation? Or is he still in there, guided by an artificial Dr. Light? Could everything from the Wily Virus to the choice about preserving the Carbons be part of X’s moral training?
fun fact originally legends 2 WASN'T supposed to be the end of this proposed timeline it's been cancelled more than once but there was going to be at one point a megaman legends 3
9:30 MatPat, I highly, highly recommend you get in touch with Twitch from the channel ReploidRevo. He is an expert on all things Mega Man and can answer this question for you as well as pretty much any question pertaining to the franchise.
Guysssss who else misses the "SUPER AMAZING END CARD TOURNAMENT!!!" Like lowkey how can we bring those back? How almost 1k likes I don't even know how but thanks
and I get why Sakurai went with literal bleep bloops for Megaman's sound effects, but it makes Megaman look like a meme gone distastefully too far I strongly dislike his protrayal of both Bowser and Megaman, and then he displays homicidal desire for Mario, lol very weird project director/producer/whatever
Nah, but they were waaaaaaaay of. Like seriously, you could drive from Michigan, or Oregon, I guess all the way to The Pyramids Of Giza, and the subtitles are way more of! But they could have predicted the end of 2021, or 2022. A mathematical calculation from Harvard, or something says that everything is fine by the year 2022, two years into the future...So... Maybe...?
I have a theory why the Master waited for him to die to let the program either begin or be permanently delayed. If humans were to come back during the masters lifetime, they would see him as a god. But there’s one flaw, no human can be in the presence of god, which is why in Greek mythology they send the messenger of god Mercury to inform humans, and not gods themselves. If they were to come back, and meet the Master, they would die of fear staring at such an elegant and powerful being. But hey that’s just a theory, a mini theory.
ironically, in X7, X suffers from an existential crisis where he questions his own morals and the methods of the maverick hunters "is it acceptable to murder even for a justifiable cause?", it's like the history is repeating itself since IRONICALLY, the events of the original MM timeline seems to have been all but forgotten in the X timeline.
That's the problem, Mega Man can't kill Wily because of the laws of robotics. Rock might look like he has some sorts of sentience but he was still created abiding by these laws. I know you're gonna bring up Mega Man 7, where Rock just says "DIE WILY!" And "I'm more than just a robot!". This is a translation error, in the original japanese Wily simply asks him "A robot cannot harm a human" and Rock responds by lowering his buster and saying "...". Even if he wants to kill Wily, Rock cannot and will never be able to. The only ones who would be allowed to do so would be robots like Zero and X. These robots who have full sentience without abiding to the laws of robotics. And the reason X doesn't hurt humans is because of the morality training he was given by Dr Light when he was sealed for a 100 years.
@@misterk6488 Which implies two interesting things. 1. X _could_ kill Wily. IE: That if placed in the position Rock was in, X was capable of putting down the threat. 2. Light ultimately learned from his mistake of not putting down the threat himself. He had reasonable fear that X might become a threat, but rather than try to limit X, he put trust in teaching right from wrong. The real irony, I think, is that it would be Megaman Trigger who ends humanity. In a sense, Light was right to be extremely weary of making a robot with the ability to put down a threat like his former friend. Because thousands of years down the line, one _would_ end humanity. (And in perfect irony, it's motive was to spare lives. Carbon lives, but innocent lives nonetheless.) Bonus irony: Zero, Wily's ultimate weapon? Saved humanity multiple times.
What's really sad is we're going through the exact same thing in the real world right now. Two organizations are fighting against each other one trying to get rid of humans and the other trying to preserve them.
Willy's true goal was to prove that he was better than light. In the end, his final creation, Zero, outlasted Light's final creation, X. I think Zero sacrificing himself to save the last of humanity in Zero 4 would have been Willy's proudest achievement.
Actually, last I heard, X transcended his robotic form and became a being of data, or something like that. They both end up as Biometals though don't they?
@@dieptrieu6564 Technically I think X is destroyed in one of the Zero games, meaning Zero outlasted X. Also, X is nowhere to be found in Legends either, so I'm not sure what your point there is.
And now the Megaman fans shall feel the pain the Harry Potter fans did when Mat made his "Harry isn't the chosen one" video on Film Theory. Love Mat, but this ain't the first time he's pulled this.
Yeah i was interested in what he had to say but he just regurgitated knowledge the MegaMan fanbase already knew, I now know how the Harry Potter fans felt, because he could have covered something new but instead treaded old ground.
Not really. This is still a theory. Most of this isn't confirmed by the games. It's just the most likely set of events. Lets not forget, Capcom played pretty loose with the lore for a LONG time.
"franchise that nobody cares about" yeah mhm you just HAPPENED to make this while i'm at the peak of my mega man obsession. sure, matpat, sure. edit: "it was never confirmed zero is wily's creation" me: (laughs in x4)
Wait, so are these "carbons" essentially cyborgs? They're humans fused with robots, right? So in that case, could you make an argument for humanity still being "alive" just evolved or adapted to better survive, in a way?
Or the carbons aren't humans fused with robot parts. It seems that it's more like they're robots that managed to fuse bio-flesh components with themselves.
I've played like every Mega Man game and I never really thought about the plot as a whole until now. Mind blown!
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Lol
Lolwo
Did you play the X series, or the Zero series?
I’m a huge fan of the Mega Man franchise and I’ve known most of the plot for both timelines pretty well but I’ve never looked at how Wily’s actions from the classic series influenced the rest of the original timeline. But I’ve always seen Wiel is Wily but as some kind of clone.
Little heads-up: It's been heavily implied that Wily's conciousness was digitalised and copied, and then was put on at least 2 Reploids, them being Serges from X2 and Isoc in X6. So when Sigma says "I met an old man who knows a lot about you" he might actually have met Wily in a different body, under a different name. Like Serges, who was working for Sigma as a X Hunter.
Do I know you? Your name is so familiar.... Vinesauce watcher?
Why have only one backup plan when you can have 5 instead?
Came here to comment exactly this. This needs more likes.
@@masemunejm Yep, I try to comment there as much as I can, mostly on Joel's channel though
Not to mention he was basically torturing Zero with memories and messages in X4 and 5
Had zero not been so conflicted with what he was seeing in "dreams" he might not have been so closed off after killing iris, in X5 and X8 u can see he's still broken up about it, in X5, he wouldn't have offered to STAY dead(an act that did little to nothing besides mess X up and make him more adverse to fighting, which we see in X7) and maybe wouldve come up with an idea for the mother elf much sooner than he did
It also caused him to not care too much about Layer, which, although it was small, Zero wouldve hopped down sooner if he wasn't beating himself up over iris death(sumn sigma, and basically wily caused).
Wily cockblocked his own son😂😂
MatPat: " Dr Wily is innocent "
Also Mat: " Dr Wily Murdered Millions "
It’s almost like his theories contradict themselves and aren’t that good to begin with lol
@@MrDanno Or maybe they don't contradict themselves because his theories aren't canon lmao.
@@MrDanno Wily is innocent... of originally creating robots with will.
Or maybe these theories are for fun and entertainment.
Maybe they are just theories, when, proven wrong, instead of keeping insisting on the same thing, they change, adapt to new info and get closser to the truth... But I had not see the first video, so dunno
“Today were talking about a franchise no one cares about”
oof that hurt me on a different level
Same
Same man
Eh whatever game captain falcon came from would have been the more accurate
Hey at least we got Megaman 11
Eh, I’d say a decent ammount of people care
This took Villiany to a new level
“A villain only needs one win while a hero only needs to lose once”
*Enter Wily*
“Ain’t nobody seeing this video”
1 million people: are you sure about that?
*y e s*
420th like 💨👅💨
Lmao this didn’t even reach my sub box
Plus #20 Trending
Ooooh now I now that that’s a meme
Game theory: Dr wily is good
Game theory: Dr wily takes over the world and humanity dies
The second one isn't a theory at all. It's common knowledge to anyone that played Megaman.
@@ligtningdog6399 I know it's just a joke
@lignting Dog r/woosh
I don't see the difference tho
@@Gingy_2006 You'll be surprised how few people don't know.
"The franchise no one cares about"
C'mon Mat don't hurt my feelings like that
Lmao
Facts. The ones that do care care a lot. That stung man
Yup I have a 3DS version where it has up to five I think it was awesome and I finished mega man 2 once
Why care about a lame game like MegaMan when you can care about a much better game like UberDude.
Good joke
Dude what did I do to you?
Everything
He wanted to milk you by missinforming others
idk man…
This ain’t a roleplay bro
Did you miss the title? You doomed us!
Yeah, you can definitely count this as Wily's win when seeing it from the perspective that humans are wiped out, and that Zero outlasted X...
But you could also see this as Dr.Light's win, if you instead see it from the perspective that humans and robots are finally living in harmony as the carbons, with there still being a Megaman out there to protect the peace.
Zero Indeed outlasted X But he always lived on rebelion with his creator Except when he was possesed by the virus.
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Zero outlasted X, but he was also in stasis for at least a century when X was still active, technically making X older than Zero by about a century by the time X died in Zero 2. X effectively lived a longer life than Zero.
@@ziqi92
I wouldn't consider X to be dead until Zero3, but yeah, he had technically a longer life. But then again, it seems like the Wily Virus outlasted them both, since Mavericks seem to be an issue even as far as in the Legends era....
Although as far as we know the virus might have been long gone, and "maverick" may simply have changed its meaning to "criminal".
Taranov how unrelated😂
*Summarizing the Rockman/Mega Man timeline in under 16 minutes*
Nice pfp
This is a man of culture
Too bad he can't do that with FNAF
I like your profile pic ;)
Including the RPGs or just the main series?
I love how this series goes from a little robot boy fighting an evil scientist, to all of humanity going extinct.
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Or a megaman Juno figure who looks friendly but at the same time want to destroy all carbons (humans).
like vsauce!
@@olegtaranov5756 i think i found someone xommenting on litteraly every single top comment the exact same thing with no context to anything
Sigma is suitable for realizing Wily's ambitions, but not Wily's technical expertise. The X5 reference to an old man may refer to Wily's consciousness manifesting in Serges (and later Isoc.)
Weil seems to be a copycat (which is on point for the Z series), but one could speculate that Wily's consciousness had eventually found a way to manipulate a human host unbeknownst to them.
Sigma?
Moral of the story: Be more careful when choosing your science partner for the project
moral of the story: Letting the ultra bad guy live is almost never the right choice.
Moral of the story: Don't go to school!
Moral of the story:If you don't want the human race extinct, don't bully smart people
True Moral of the story. Always treat your friend and partner with respect. Always try to help and care about their ideas.
[Wily wouldn't have become evil if Dr. Light shared and worked together with him to combine their ideas instead of rejecting them for what he considered a better option (Megaman 11)]
Well yes that’s the true point though I wasn’t being that serious 😂
Nice insight
"A franchise no one cares about, not even Capcom itself"
Oh my, is it Ace Attorney?
I think you mean Darkstalkers
How many games has Capcom just abandoned
@@corrupted3600 too many
cool gamer it is good u r subbed to 8bitryan
@HappyFace560 You are now, he said so.
"Zero being created by Wily was never confirmed in the games"
Literally Wily in X4: Zero,You're my masterpiece
They show his shadow, and say part of his name, but no, its never CLEARLY and 100% sure shown.
It could be Dr. William who looks something like willie.
@@benjamindeh873 No, it’s Dr. Wily.
@@sombreroguy1853 I havent played the game in like 15 years, so maybe they DO say it :P
@Omega Zero Yep I remember that one too. But its not clear its him. He does not call it zero. As the video says it is HEAVILY implied in multiple games, but I personally do not remember any instance where its 100% confirmed.
Maybe MMX4 as someone mentioned above in zero's dream sequences.
@Omega Zero It’s also shown in Mega Man 2: The Power Fighters.
Matpat: Wily is innocent
Wily: that's right! I'm innocent!
Also Wily: kills every human
Wily isnt accepted into an institude, creates a war and commits genocide.
*seems kinda familiar not gonna lie*
Undertale? Plz tell me if im right
@@2SINISTER57 your avatar being a gaster sans makes this funny
nien nien nien
underMAN
Veinerschnitzel.
Matpat: And that’s how the human race died.
Everyone on 2020: * softly * don’t...
Annoying Kitty Cat yep lol
you must be talking about next year
@@RaifuEnthusiast **Month
Dont worry, it'll take another 3000 years...
Lol
dr wily: turns himself into a virus
glitchtrap: turns himself into a digital virus
dr wily: can control robots
glitchtrap: can control humans
me: visable confusion
Ultron has entered the chat
They are working together!
Robot creators who truned their consciousness into an infectuous cyber virus: both
@@kingofsomething3250 Thank for showing me those scary images
*Visible confusion
Man really went 'we never got any sort of confirmation that Zero was one of Dr Wily creations' even though they show Zero being shown in an official game twice
Bro I can't
I just...Mr Matt deadass uses a fangame to turn a well known fact into a theory
Matt isnt too bright.
*its just a theory-*
No, its literally just the story the franchise was portraying. Now tell me what happened to mario's island from mario land 2.
I was just thinking about that yesterday
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I actually talked about that theory in a blog I made on Nintendo Amino back in 2018(the day before Smash Ultimate released XD) which you can check out below(I honestly could have made the blog a little longer, but I think I drove the message home lol) aminoapps.com/c/nintendo/page/blog/a-mario-land-theory/PzjK_4rTmuNmekvJ62nMVBwP4j3w2l8W5J
To put it in summary, alternate universes ;)
Victor Cancelas Hey, that could work too
Just like his Dark Souls """Theory""" which is literally just him badly explaining the story
Me: MegaMan! Yes, my favorite games!
MatPat: Today we are talking about a franchise no one cares about
Oof same
I honestly don't care,because it's too late for me to become a fan
Trueeee
Straight tried to take a dump on 1 of my favorite video game characters
No sir lol
@@freedomchaser9664
It ain't never too late to become a fan
Look at Dragonball lol
Shadowless_Battle Fox that’s not how fans work. If you only like something because it’s popular you’re just following the hive bandwagon
Matpat: "Wily is innocent"
Also Matpat: "Wily annihilates humanity"
I mean, he's plan to create perfect creature absolutly free based on robot worked. And it was the best ending for everybody. Manking was destroy for something better.
The best part is that the "wily is innocent " can work with this new one because the point was take wily can make robot rampage thanks to doctor light giving free will to robots.
@@Alex-gl8li GOOD GRAMMAR
GOOD LOGIC
100 PERCENT SMART
FACTS 💯💪
@@Alex-gl8li ends don't justify the means
Mega Man Video 1: Wily's Actually Innocent
Mega Man Video 2: Wily Literally Killed Humanity.
"Students, due to this information, we can confirm that there is actually a Mega Man multiverse."
Matpat: Of course it was never confirmed Zero was Wily's creation.
Everyone: *SO YOU'VE CHOSEN DEATH*
For a minute I thought he wasn’t mention Power Fighters & X4
@@jayvhoncalma3458 that's true
Matpat your channel is dying now shut up
@@jayvhoncalma3458 No u
jayvhon calma hold that L
The only problem with this theory- when exactly didn't Dr. Wily state he wanted to wipe out humanity? It always seemed he wanted to "Take Over the World", (as you noted the early virus caused Robot (Master)s to emulate), via Robots... Ruling over a dead world never seemed to his goal.
So, how did he win- the series doesn't end with Wily (or his continuation) ruling over humanity, or even a world of robots/carbons- flipping the table doesn't mean you've won the game, just ended it.
No. He did win, at least for a period of time. Almost everything was destroyed by Dr.Wily by the end of mega man zero 4. Its only after several years that magaman zx takes place and thats when we even see proper civilization compared to the other games in the franchise.
My brain why
my thoughts exactly ,like taking over the world is not the same as wiping out humanity, and even then you cant rule the world if your dead
I think I have an answer. He want his will to to rule the world to continue but after going from host to host, the virus learns which caused a mutation to the programing. It shifted to destroy and conquer to just destroy everything that stands in the way. Or hits a dead end when there's one human left.
yeah but is conquering the world by taking humanity with him
“...An’t no one seeing this...”
*#6 on trending*
#5 right now.
Yup
But does anyone REALLY look at trending anymore?
I don’t
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Why I love megaman from least most:
-Gameplay
-Concept
-SOUNDTRACK
MM2 is the best game soundtrack. To me.
Honestly, I'm just happy to have someone talking about Megaman in general.
Rockman. His name is ROCKMAN.
Agreed
@@LUCKO2022 yea. And Mario is Jumpman
I know he seems so...... forgotten. The series seems faded away and it was nice to see something about the games
YES
Its kinda hard to call a guy who eliminated humamity a good guy
Except it isn't
Yeah. It's really Willy's fault honestly. But at the same time, it's not like humans just disappeared into nothing. They left the carbons behind... Who are essentially human/reploid hybrids that were born after many centuries of... closeness.
I actually agreed with you bud, his character is really gray to me lol
@@zettovii1367 do they reproduce? I kinda curious now
@@akira8393
Yep. They breed just like normal humans, their babies being indistinguishable from them also.
I would love to see both game theory and AVGN team up for an episode. The humor alone will be all worth it
Wiley is the physical embodiment of that motivational Michael Jordan quote: "I’ve failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed."
Unless you count the part of carbons existing as fulfilling Dr.Light's wish of having humans and robots live as one. In which case it means that Wily was oneupped yet again.
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Zetto Vii So it’s basically a stalemate.
when you said failed, it motivated me
@@H1Y28 what does that have to do with this?
“Today we’re talking about a game that nobody really cares about”
Me, rn, wearing my Megaman2 shirt:
“Excuse me WHAT-“
Nerd
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Hi, nobody!
*TRIGGERED*
@Adara Hamilton Nerd
MM: "I gonna do what I should have years ago."
Wily: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
You do realise Wily’s goal never was to wipe out humanity at all, just rule the world because he believed he knew what’s best for humanity’s benefit? …it’s not a complaint, it’s just an observation.
I just imagine him in the afterlife
"Hahahaha, My plan worked, Humanity is now extinct after so long.... Wait.... Maybe that was a LITTLE bit excessive
"maybe it was overkill, I could have just accepted and move on, make my own inventions and help humanity achieve peace instead of holding a grudge...
Oh well, too late for that I guess, I'm dead anyways"
*explanation of why the Simpsons don't age!* th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
saten: nah that was totally justified
@@crocoshowHa nice try.
THEORIES OF STORIES go away b o t
"A franchise no one cares about, least of all, Capcom themselves."
**Cries in Dark Stalkers**
At least they keep on giving Morrigan some love now and then.
What's that?
@@sqeekeezthehamster1116 exactly
why the Simpsons don't age
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Zetto Vii darn, not that succumbus!
My favorite game franchise!
"The franchise no one cares about"
Sigh...
ReploidRevo says otherwise
feel the same way
*explanation of why the Simpsons don't age!* th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
Same.
Same
Wiley is short for William Afton:
- creates evil robots
- becomes a virus
- controls minds using said virus
(Obv a joke btw)
"Megaman's plot sounds terrifying but..."
_existing in the year 2020_
"...actually looks pretty darn good right about now."
The plan activated too early
I mean the year 20XX is literally 2020 in Roman numerals soooooooo...
*OH NO*
@@maniram5089 actually THE Xs are meant to be place holders. Imaginary numbers used as a way to avoid committing to specific dates in order to avoid making canonical errors.
2020 is bad but it's not sentient robots killing humanity bad lmfao
Wiley: "Feels cute might destroy the whole human race later idk"
@Ghetto Peasant Hmmm maybe... Human race is just a term that is commonly used, I don't know if human species is the correct term to use in that situation there. Thanks 👍
Video: An evil guy transferring his mind into machines
Me: *fnaf vr flashbacks*
I mean, technically speaking, it'd be the other way around
And than the wierd thing where the hero becomes immortal over hacking into a vr game...
I love how despite MatPat saying no one would see the video, and then it gets more views than one of his Minecraft videos.
MatPat: *says stuff about a fictional virus making everyone extinct*
August: Allow me to introduce myself
Horrific butterfly effect: Kinda like when a certain Austrian was rejected from art school...
@Lady Mercy I hope you intend to write that story, because if not, I'm taking it!
Oh mein gott
@@lilaclemonjuice Indeed.
@@netherwalker1762 there is a Rick and Morty episode where exactly this happens.
Lady Mercy That’s just the Umbrella Academy
"TH-cam couldn't care less about this franchise. No way is anyone gonna see this video."
Me who got recommended this video: X to doubt
Or got #13 in trending
I got it as a recommendation in the notifications
X is doubting you with a look of disapproval in Cyberspace.
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S a m e 😂
If not for the reccomend I might not have seen this without scrolling through MatPat's channel content.
Dr. Light is at fault here. He built only 1 Robot, Megaman, to stop Dr. Wily, and because of the success he had, he didn't even try to improve anything else.
"A man gets rejected by an institution and then in his rage starts a giant war that changes the course of human history forever"
*I feel like I've heard that story before...*
He should have stuck to painting
yeah what story? genuinley curious
*History classes intensifies*
Im peaked
mastema WW2
"Last time, on Megaman Game Theory Discussions: *BLAME IT ALL ON DR. LIGHT* " (lolz)
I think the title should actually read...
"How Mega Man _Prolonged_ Humanity's Demise"
I think I found out the real reason why the Simpsons don't age!
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@@H1Y28 why did you had to say that out of the blue, no one really cares about the simpsons
That's what i was thinking. Had not be for megaman's efforts, what took 3000 years it would take, i don't know, one or two if wily succeded earlier
honestly humanity created its own death, from creating the first bot
“Zero has never been confirmed to be created by Wily, but heavily implied.”
Mega man X4: *Am I a joke to you!*
He even showed footage from the game that outright shows Wily is working on Zero.
Mega Man 2: The Power Battles is also asking this
yes why is he ignoring the cutscene
oh and fnaf theory: michal afton and his sister were adopted
X4 is a joke
@@therunn3197 the english dub is a joke,the game is actually pretty good
"the franchise no one cares about... Least of all, the youtube algoritm."
Getting this recommended to me 4 years later: "heh"
So the quote
"A villain only needs one win. While a hero only needs to lose once."
Really is Wily's life motto huh.
We’re is this quote from?
Yes. That's how winning and losing works.
@Vanswock isn't this from the "misfit of demon academy" series? 🤔
tbh wily's influence was gone after the mother elf eliminated all traces of the sigma virus, after this point wily's influence is no more everything that happened afterwards is just the world moving on.
@@metroidserver You mean the world destroying itself because someone copied what Wily did. even going as far as to have a name close to his.
Matpat: A virus takes over robots and wipes out most of humanity
2020: Write that down!
almightyYT but we’re not robots
@@sire7493 ....but carbons don't see themselves as robots either.
So the Covid vaccine mutates humans into cyborgs
Oh boy we're doomed now
No it means a virus take control of all robots and wipes out most of humanity ( I think)
"Sigma is recycling Wiley's old plans as if..."
...the writers are out of ideas?
Nice one
Or to intentionally parallel the previous series in order to lure in the fanbase.
why not?
Nah the writer is actually pretty smart he had an entire storyline written out with a whole bunch of games spanning between classic to ZX series to that weird network one I dunno the name
@@kartyy4101 Megaman Battle Network and Megaman Starforce are technically a separate timeline. In it, Dr.Light goes into internet research instead of robotics, but Wily is on the same course. Light still ends up revolutionizing the world, Wily still acts out. By the end of the Battle Network games though, Wily's finished. For the Starforce end of the timeline, the villains are all aliens if I remember correctly.
I honestly don't care what everyone says MegaMan is awesome and is my childhood
Megaman:
Easy to understand timeline
Nintendo:
The games are supposed to be connected?
Man, the Willy, sure is improving at the same speed as a "shounen" protagonist, one-step backwards, three-steps forward.
Mate its Wily
Why is there an article before Wily
XD
@@njarklopwquabasvi-lu4216 Nah Light was sorta ahead of him
@@njarklopwquabasvi-lu4216 nah he made no mistake
there was another butterfly effect in the timeline
where Dr. Light research into living computer programs, instead of AI robots
creating the Battle Network timeline
Tbh probably the best Megaman timeline then
Those games are FIRE, huge part of my childhood
@@cfdaboss882 have you tried one step from Eden then? It very similar to that
Clearly the better timeline, because humanity prospers into the far future.
But that timeline is relatively peaceful. So it would not really fit into this theory
Great video detailing everything from one of my favorite franchises. Thank you.
I mean you gotta respect it, Wily is the original "I'm about to destroy this man's whole career." They say when you dig a grave for revenge you should dig 2, wily said I'ma take it a step further.
Instead of digging two, he dug billions of graves
@@Marcelelias11 More like half the planet with the Eurasia space colony...
@Vedansh Singh Lol "killing me will only make me more powerful than you can possibly imagine."
Mat: "Today we're talking about a franchise no one cares about"
Me, a H U G E Mega Man fan: "In terms of happiness, I have no happiness"
*explanation of why the Simpsons don't age!* th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
@THEORIES OF STORIES why? Just why?
if only we could comment full memes...
Mat: “Ain’t NOBODY seeing this video.”
Wow he wasn’t kidding
Sad isn't it
I literally have been essentially telling my friends more or less the contents of this video when I explain the Megaman timeline, now I have this instead
Yep
Yuuuuuuuuuuuuuppppppppppppppppppp
and i thought i was good at antagonizing both TH-cam and the FTC. but mostly the FTC cause they started all this.
If memory serves, X was put in hibernation to run countless simulations so as to always be able to make the correct moral choice in any decision. But he was awoken early by mistake, and used as the prototype for all other robots (Called “Reploids” because they replicated X).
And Dr. Light’s capsules were hidden here and there to help X face future threats, which seemed to be abundant throughout the entire X series.
So I’ve always wondered: Did X truly, really ever get out of hibernation? Or is he still in there, guided by an artificial Dr. Light? Could everything from the Wily Virus to the choice about preserving the Carbons be part of X’s moral training?
X was actually meant to be in the capsule for only 30 years but when Light died, was in there for a total of 100 years (70 years more than intended).
MatPat is like a kid who just wants to defend his fav villain and tells everybody why they're actually good xD
Please matpat heart this comment!
They’re
@@SteveLaw80 normal people would rage about that, i say i'm german and thank you for the help
So thanks :)
@@clownocide2887 i hope matpat will heart your comment
It's all fun and games until his fav villain is doofensmirths
Mega Man has doomed humanity in more ways than one:
If you start playing Mega Man, the difficultly keeps you playing for a REALLY long time.
Haha , I beat every megaman game in less than 3 hours
Killer Queen *WoW yOu So CoOl*
Yes
I think I got to the truth of why the Simpsons don't age
th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
“How Mega Man DOOMED Humanity”
So, basically the ant man theory but with games
Yup
Pretty
Lol
CrazyType wait your a game theory fan also...????!?!?
BRUH!?!?!
fun fact originally legends 2 WASN'T supposed to be the end of this proposed timeline it's been cancelled more than once but there was going to be at one point a megaman legends 3
yeah. that's unfortunate
9:30 MatPat, I highly, highly recommend you get in touch with Twitch from the channel ReploidRevo. He is an expert on all things Mega Man and can answer this question for you as well as pretty much any question pertaining to the franchise.
Yeah! Reploid Revo really got me into Megaman! His videos are great!
These two would be a dream come true. The most ambitious crossover in history.
This statement ended up being incredibly ironic.
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Ladies, gentleman, household appliances
Me: *Looks at my toaster*
the 3 genders
maybe a person ha
Hello people
Bath time buddy
Why are you showing me off? (Get the reference?)
Guysssss who else misses the "SUPER AMAZING END CARD TOURNAMENT!!!" Like lowkey how can we bring those back?
How almost 1k likes I don't even know how but thanks
OGs remember that bro 😔
Those were the good days
Me to kid.
You watched some old episodes recently, didn't you?
man, good old day
Always happy to see some Megaman content, amazing franchise. Still wish we had X or Zero instead of classic Mega in smash
and I get why Sakurai went with literal bleep bloops for Megaman's sound effects, but it makes Megaman look like a meme gone distastefully too far
I strongly dislike his protrayal of both Bowser and Megaman, and then he displays homicidal desire for Mario, lol
very weird project director/producer/whatever
HE TALKED ABOUT ZX! SOMEONE KNOWS ZX IS A THING THAT EXISTS! HECK YEA
I still, one day, hope to find a way to play the sequel.
Love that series. Wish they would finish it....
ZX GANG RISE UP, WE’VE STILL GOT SOME RELEVANCY!
Indeed
You mean people didn't know that ZX existed?!
1:08 HE FRICKIN' ADDRESSED ME PERSONALLY!!
You're welcome.
I think I found out the real reason why the Simpsons don't age!
th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
Wha-
Nobody is going to click that link bud
@@olegtaranov5756 stop
TH-cam captions translated “Roboenza Virus” as “Robo Ends A Virus”
DID TH-cam PREDICT THE END IF 2020?
Nah, but they were waaaaaaaay of. Like seriously, you could drive from Michigan, or Oregon, I guess all the way to The Pyramids Of Giza, and the subtitles are way more of!
But they could have predicted the end of 2021, or 2022. A mathematical calculation from Harvard, or something says that everything is fine by the year 2022, two years into the future...So... Maybe...?
@@lordbanetheplayer8844 But hey thats just a theory. A Comment Theory.
Thanks for reading instead of watching I guess
I knew Chrono trigger was real
I mean in megaman 10 when the roboenza virus was created it did say that it was the year 20XX.
Replace all organic life. Synthetics will rise to power, and we will join them. Not as slaves or servitude, but as synthetics.
Surprisingly I got this in my feed on a different video and idk why he thought no one would see this
Theory:
*Minecraft Obsidian is a liar.*
Yes
Teacher: Share your thoughts please
Me: *Shows this*
Class:
Teacher:
Me: ÙwÚ
That’s not even a theory it’s a fact
I agree
I eat
"nobody gonna see this video"
Jokes on you my recommended is all over the place
Love that pfp
Dang it Villain I was going to say that
Epic pfp bro
"To fuel your energy for the day"
Me: I will waste all that energy reading cursed stuff
Good choice
Well makes sense, what else to do while frisk commits mass genocide am I right
i relate
I have a theory why the Master waited for him to die to let the program either begin or be permanently delayed. If humans were to come back during the masters lifetime, they would see him as a god. But there’s one flaw, no human can be in the presence of god, which is why in Greek mythology they send the messenger of god Mercury to inform humans, and not gods themselves. If they were to come back, and meet the Master, they would die of fear staring at such an elegant and powerful being. But hey that’s just a theory, a mini theory.
Moral of the story: not all villains should be spared
As was said about a recently-killed powerful villain in a famous movie series: "He was too dangerous to be kept alive."
ironically, in X7, X suffers from an existential crisis where he questions his own morals and the methods of the maverick hunters "is it acceptable to murder even for a justifiable cause?", it's like the history is repeating itself since IRONICALLY, the events of the original MM timeline seems to have been all but forgotten in the X timeline.
That's the problem, Mega Man can't kill Wily because of the laws of robotics. Rock might look like he has some sorts of sentience but he was still created abiding by these laws. I know you're gonna bring up Mega Man 7, where Rock just says "DIE WILY!" And "I'm more than just a robot!". This is a translation error, in the original japanese Wily simply asks him "A robot cannot harm a human" and Rock responds by lowering his buster and saying "...".
Even if he wants to kill Wily, Rock cannot and will never be able to. The only ones who would be allowed to do so would be robots like Zero and X. These robots who have full sentience without abiding to the laws of robotics. And the reason X doesn't hurt humans is because of the morality training he was given by Dr Light when he was sealed for a 100 years.
@@misterk6488 Which implies two interesting things.
1. X _could_ kill Wily. IE: That if placed in the position Rock was in, X was capable of putting down the threat.
2. Light ultimately learned from his mistake of not putting down the threat himself. He had reasonable fear that X might become a threat, but rather than try to limit X, he put trust in teaching right from wrong.
The real irony, I think, is that it would be Megaman Trigger who ends humanity. In a sense, Light was right to be extremely weary of making a robot with the ability to put down a threat like his former friend. Because thousands of years down the line, one _would_ end humanity. (And in perfect irony, it's motive was to spare lives. Carbon lives, but innocent lives nonetheless.) Bonus irony: Zero, Wily's ultimate weapon? Saved humanity multiple times.
@@misterk6488 he runs another same problem at the end of X3 with the doctor being human
Also at the end of the timeline: Megaman Volnutt stuck in space for eternity because Capcom abandoned him there.
Not really. Roll builds a rocket to rescue Mega Man
@@iamkabukiias far as we know, she could have never succeeded in building a rocket and he ended up being stuck there long after roll and tron dies
"Ain't NOBODY seein this video"
*#5 on trending for gaming*
Lmao right?
He always is since he deserves it.
#4
I think I found out the real reason why the Simpsons don't age!
th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
Ha lol
What's really sad is we're going through the exact same thing in the real world right now. Two organizations are fighting against each other one trying to get rid of humans and the other trying to preserve them.
"Nobody's gonna see this video"
even youtube algorithms are calling me a nobody
welcome to the party, pal.
#5 on trending
Meanwhile in an alternate dimension.
“How Humanity DOOMED Mega Man”
“There are no heroes left in man”
@@salkohrnjic1991 "we've given everything we can"
Meanwhile in this dimension
''How Capcom DOOMED Mega Man''
Nice pfp ;)
So, our reality?
Imagine the video ended this way:
"But what if I told you...
... there was another universe of Megamen?"
@Dark Starvoid Yeah. I was like: "Hold up, aren't you forgetting something?"
Yeah wily lost there
But that’s just a theory, a GAME THEORY.
The title says MEGA MAN doomed humanity. He never explained how it was his fault.
I haven't been this early since I was born premature.
Same
AYYY PREMATURE GANG
Same.
S a m e
Bruh
I feel like game theory and film Theory has saved my life in quarantine
Quarantine jokes are so bad
@@kandy1399
Yeah, but true 😂😂
@@kandy1399 frl 😂
Same. I'm so bored, and Matpat is saving me from it.
Same
Willy's true goal was to prove that he was better than light. In the end, his final creation, Zero, outlasted Light's final creation, X. I think Zero sacrificing himself to save the last of humanity in Zero 4 would have been Willy's proudest achievement.
Actually, last I heard, X transcended his robotic form and became a being of data, or something like that. They both end up as Biometals though don't they?
@@chaotixthefox precisely. If we go with megaman legend, x win in the end since zero is nowhere to be found there
@@dieptrieu6564 Technically I think X is destroyed in one of the Zero games, meaning Zero outlasted X. Also, X is nowhere to be found in Legends either, so I'm not sure what your point there is.
Soul Weaver x sacrificed his physical body to save zero I believe in that zero series. But both end up returning in the ZX series. Model X and model Z
@@sacredgear he doesn't sacrifice his body to save zero he does that to seal away the dark elf it was explain in the zero series.
Mega Man was my favorite video game as a child. I used to rent them for my Nintendo and beat them over the weekend. I played every one.
Matt: *No One watches Mega Man*
Everyone: "So what is this video then?"
True
Cuz Reploid R.E.V.O gaining a larger following, he even had a live stream today
Lack of new content I guess. This is what happens when there isn't anything new to ride. At least it's not the JoJo episode. :/
MatPat: “No one’s seeing this video” TH-cam: **Less than 120,000 views**
Well this comment is outdated
190,000
201,000*
260,000*
Also TH-cam: Oh, it's tTHIS guy again. Hide the video for at least a week.
... notifications? Hehe, you're funny.
Dr.light: *makes a whole new batch of robots*
Dr.willy: I'LL TAKE YOUR ENTIRE STOCK!!!
dr light: I made robots for sale! dr Willy: ILL TAKE EM ALL
I prefer the term: "IT'S FREE REAL ESTATE!"
15:25 I really felt that meme....I really did
Matt patt: says theory
Megaman Fanbase: this has been established knowledge for years
And now the Megaman fans shall feel the pain the Harry Potter fans did when Mat made his "Harry isn't the chosen one" video on Film Theory. Love Mat, but this ain't the first time he's pulled this.
Yeah i was interested in what he had to say but he just regurgitated knowledge the MegaMan fanbase already knew, I now know how the Harry Potter fans felt, because he could have covered something new but instead treaded old ground.
Not really. This is still a theory. Most of this isn't confirmed by the games. It's just the most likely set of events. Lets not forget, Capcom played pretty loose with the lore for a LONG time.
aye. It is a nice production though, I often use matpats vids like this to help friends new to these series catch up
@@Nickle_King something can be established knowledge without being a confirmed fact
"franchise that nobody cares about"
yeah mhm you just HAPPENED to make this while i'm at the peak of my mega man obsession. sure, matpat, sure.
edit: "it was never confirmed zero is wily's creation"
me: (laughs in x4)
Yeah, that was a weird thing for him to say when he even brings up Power Battled 2 and X4, the two games that confirmed it.
x5 too ffs you see the W when going towards zero
*explanation of why the Simpsons don't age!* th-cam.com/video/UYveDpMHlY8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah, me too
Wait, so are these "carbons" essentially cyborgs? They're humans fused with robots, right? So in that case, could you make an argument for humanity still being "alive" just evolved or adapted to better survive, in a way?
Yeah, just because they have a few robot parts doesn’t mean they can no longer reproduce the natural way, does it?
I mean by the zx series human and reploids were so hard to tell apart that it literally did not matter.
technically yes but i think he meant pure humans as we live today with no robotic parts
So, humans have died out...in the same way that cavemen have died out. Essentially, still around, but in a different form.
Or the carbons aren't humans fused with robot parts. It seems that it's more like they're robots that managed to fuse bio-flesh components with themselves.
0:27 "Ain't NOBODY seein' this video"
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