Guardians to the Witness after completely annihilating Rhulk, Calus, and Nezerec: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man [/paracausal entity]???”
I'm just going to throw this out there.... Mara Sov. She's been "dead" She's met/communed with the Witness She's always been opposed to the Traveler and in this season she's been particularly venomous about the Light and it's powers. Savathun's worm is well aware of her and even calls her deception queen which is incredible coming from Savathun's worm.... Etc. Etc. Do I think she is still one? Probably not but between the time she made the Distributary in her own image (and her own throne world) and when she came back from the dead she's had PLENTY of time to interact with The Witness, darkness and whoever without anyone being able to see or question it.
There has been a disciple from every race in Sol so far...except for humans. This is interesting because in the final cutscene from Beyond Light, there were representatives from every race in Sol reaching up to a pyramid ship. Before they plugged the plug on Clovis in Season of the Seraph, he transmitted, "They know". Even before this, the "darkness" (Witness?) spoke to him. Could Clovis have been the one having the "delusion of the long dead?" The Bray Symbol on the Cadmus Ridge Skullcap seems to indicate there is some connection between Bray and the power of darkness. Plus, Clovis has been known to be delusional at times, especially when they come to delusions of grandeur.
Given this lore is released in the same expansion as Winterbite I reckon it's possible that this Disciple was the owner of Winterbite, and the one who stuck it in the Exodus Indigo back before the creation of Neomuna - and who allowed them to leave once they transmitted a Vex code, understanding that the Vex are generally aligned with the Darkness. It's also possible that the Vex have a representative as a Disciple of the Witness; a Vex more complex and powerful than the worker ants we've been fighting. Then again the bigger Vex tend to ditch the whole arms and legs thing so who knows.
The vex keep trying to find or create a time line where the darkness loses, that's their ONLY motive, the black garden vex atr the only dark aligned vex and the regular vex cut them off bc they're too dangerous
I’m going with the Aphelion. We know nothing about this creature and it’s one of the few unexplained grimoire stories that we haven’t had much elaboration on
The Disciples know each-other, unless this sole long dead disciple has been secretive to the rest they should have interacted with and/or known of him. Perhaps this character has already been eluded to previously by them in the past be we overlooked them due to a lack of awareness to their status.
We do know there are other disciples in other timelines. Ana Bray and Eris for an example. The lore entry could be any one of those as the lore could be from any number of timelines. Ahamkara is likely though with the O'witness part. It could also be a disciple in a future dungeon or raid next expansion/season.
I hate that English is not my native language and d2 Lore has words I've never heard of. Makes it just a lil harder to understand. But it's still interesting af😅thank u for your efforts🤙🏽
It's gotte be an ahamkahra. An illusion of a being long dead- we know that people thought riven was the last ahamkahra which is kind of an illusion if theres more ahamkahra's out there. Also illusions and wish magic is right up their street
This might be my favourite since this disciple isn't some blind fanatic but actually goes out there way to ask the meaning if there master plan it makes much more then common henchmen.
The unknown disciple is an entity with some control over wish magic, probably an Ahamkara. The questions it is asking if the witness and the answers it would receive would give the magic shape and intent. Mara Sov created the wall of wishes as a means of visually communicating with Riven and leaving "No spaces between her words" for the wish magic to distort her wishes. Similarly, the witness has only ever given an intent and extension of will, the disciple may be fishing for further clarification so it can distort the witness's wish by finding spaces between it's words.
I think Eris is Xivu Arath and Xivu Arath is the unknown disciple. Would be a hell of a twist since she's been "helping" us since D1. May also be why Nezarec sends the guardian nightmares to her. She also acts on her own quite a bit. Then there was that scene where she dunks her orb in the veiled woman's milk at the end of Shadowkeep.
I think its Xivu Aruth. I also think she figured out a way to merge the Vex with Darkness using nightmare magic. She did it as a trial to perfect it so she can rez Oryx and thats when savathun comes back to help
Like pieces of a chessboard, the disciples are nothing more than pawn, just as I saw calus to be when I first saw his machinations aboard the Glykon. In the end in some way we knew this would happen for calus. A failure to the end
It might be the least exciting one but it could very well be orxy once he killed the worm god he took the power to commune with the deep/darkness and that’s where he got the power to take it could be the witness orxy learned to communicate with
possibly the first disciple? One the witness put effort into and then something occurred causing the witness to draw back and treat the others as pawns?
There was this one Civilization the Hive struggled against in its earlier conquests. With some huge Space Raven i believe that. Is where this Disciple is from. Emonite or so where the Name.
You're confusing two races here. The Ammonite were an advanced space fairing species of 6 legged cephalopods that lived on and controlled the moons of Fundament. They were greeted by the Traveler at some point and worshipped the Leviathan of Fundament and the Traveler. The Taishibethi were an Avian species that had the Tai Emperor Raven. The Taishibethi were overrun by the Hive until the Emperor Raven returned to them and fought the Hive at something called the Sky Bridge. She single-handedly destroyed a Hive war moon but was Taken by Oryx. As far as we know, the Tai were never blessed by the Traveler.
6:50 no matter what he did. I felt sorry for him at this scene. Calus didnt had any interest at the Final Shape. Better say the end of life. But he also wanted the end of his luxury hedonism
The Witness could obviously destroy everything all by itself without the help of any deciple if that was the goal. So maybe the Witness is good and is just giving the Sol a good cleaning. Preparing for the final "shape" of existance
Could it be Aetheon? He was the most violent as he travelled through the timelines and essentially was a war machine. Do we know Atheon's history before VoG? Maybe there's a link with the portal's and all the exotic's earned by completing disciples of The Witness.
Has anyone else realized that we will have to end our ghost for the Final Shape. It's link to the Witness and it's ability to use our ghost for it's own needs. I'm not happy about this, but I do believe it will happen.
Are we the final shape? Is the witness giving us dark powers to make us stronger for his using. Are our fights with his disciples trials to see our worth? If this is true we've passed all his tests and there for we would be fitting as the final shape.
is there any lore regarding Savathun and the Witness conversing on what their end goal / agreement was or how she ultimately deceived him ? She never did become a disciple in title but it’s arguable taking on a worm, her and her siblings are as powerful.
She was responsible for killing Nezarec and halting the success of the first collapse, both of those are what I understand to be at least some of her deceptions of The Withness. It's more than possible The Witness knew what Savathun was responsinel for those things but kept her around anyway to use her for the worm breeding program. Also, why Rhulk was there to watch her, The Witness knew what she had done before and figured it was just a matter of time before she tried to deceive him again.
Evaze, i saw something i want you to know about. so i recently got the copperhead supremacy ghost shell. the lore card on it says, “ for ghost who are watching, coiling, waiting “ could this be tied to our ghosts being a spy for the witness???????? just a random thought lolz
Honestly... If i was the witness, and my disciples died by a bunch of rats from earth! And i have the power to just wipe them all with a flick of my wrist... I would've done it ages ago!! And dealt with the traveler knowing i won't be interrupted by any minor inconveniences!
He's not a villain, he's not evil. his entire motive is to save someone. save a "lover" that "lover" being trapped inside the traveller. he is just taking it way too far. doing whatever he has to to achieve his goal
Is it possible that the disciple is Ulan-Tan? That mf is dead somehow but he was a guardian and his death was never explained in lore, it was just assumed he's dead. He has a lost sector 'Grove of Ulan-Tan' on io, this is where the whisper mission was. Also I think he is the author of unveiling. His whole symmetry philosophy matches perfectly with Jakob Bohme, who he stated as being right in Unveiling.
Imagine fighting an entity that can move very fast and look scary af like this illustration of the unknown disciple. Destiny 2 may finally be fun again.
The lost disciple is the undead cayde-6 , memory’s jumbled but intact he’s our cayde but controlled.. and we godda fight him or join him for we have been taking in so much darkness
i think the witness is referring to itself in third person. it has many identities so it grammatically the witness would say 'we' when talking about itself
@@OfflineBTW Rasputin said that all of the files referring to Neptune were deleted by someone. We found out about it from the files Rasputin had sectioned off from the rest of his system. The Witness found out when he communed with the traveler
Just a theory...What if the Traveler was a disciple and stole a power the Witness wanted and broke away from him. Thats why the Witness was pursuing the traveler to get back a power that lead to the final shape?
Strange how this disciple is the only disciple that does not refer to the Witness as 'My Witness'.
It's strange that the discipline says "O"Witness
@@shadwsin45 it's xivu
@@MrMultiPlatform where do you get this from?
@NeoReaper82 if Xivu was a disciple she would have been far more of a problem then she is now.
The leviathan? Since it warned about the worm god?
Guardians to the Witness after completely annihilating Rhulk, Calus, and Nezerec: “How many times do we have to teach you this lesson, old man [/paracausal entity]???”
Anyone else really hype to find out what’s on Titan
Are we actually going to titan
@@Superfart2024 yeeeeeee
@@bunszheider376 LESSS GOOOO
Yup
big fibsh
I'm just going to throw this out there.... Mara Sov.
She's been "dead"
She's met/communed with the Witness
She's always been opposed to the Traveler and in this season she's been particularly venomous about the Light and it's powers.
Savathun's worm is well aware of her and even calls her deception queen which is incredible coming from Savathun's worm.... Etc. Etc.
Do I think she is still one? Probably not but between the time she made the Distributary in her own image (and her own throne world) and when she came back from the dead she's had PLENTY of time to interact with The Witness, darkness and whoever without anyone being able to see or question it.
I just hate Mara Sov so much, I really hope it isn't her.
There has been a disciple from every race in Sol so far...except for humans. This is interesting because in the final cutscene from Beyond Light, there were representatives from every race in Sol reaching up to a pyramid ship. Before they plugged the plug on Clovis in Season of the Seraph, he transmitted, "They know". Even before this, the "darkness" (Witness?) spoke to him. Could Clovis have been the one having the "delusion of the long dead?" The Bray Symbol on the Cadmus Ridge Skullcap seems to indicate there is some connection between Bray and the power of darkness. Plus, Clovis has been known to be delusional at times, especially when they come to delusions of grandeur.
Who did the artwork for the unknown disciple? It looks amazing
It's looks like it's from scorn
Looks like Saren/Turian species from Mass Efect..
Looks like the Zero skin from Fortnite
Looks kinda like lebron james idk
@@wormsarslanian5867 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Given this lore is released in the same expansion as Winterbite I reckon it's possible that this Disciple was the owner of Winterbite, and the one who stuck it in the Exodus Indigo back before the creation of Neomuna - and who allowed them to leave once they transmitted a Vex code, understanding that the Vex are generally aligned with the Darkness. It's also possible that the Vex have a representative as a Disciple of the Witness; a Vex more complex and powerful than the worker ants we've been fighting.
Then again the bigger Vex tend to ditch the whole arms and legs thing so who knows.
I was of the same thinking. Maybe even the first Vex mind. To serve without question yet analyzing everything.
The vex keep trying to find or create a time line where the darkness loses, that's their ONLY motive, the black garden vex atr the only dark aligned vex and the regular vex cut them off bc they're too dangerous
I’m going with the Aphelion. We know nothing about this creature and it’s one of the few unexplained grimoire stories that we haven’t had much elaboration on
The Disciples know each-other, unless this sole long dead disciple has been secretive to the rest they should have interacted with and/or known of him. Perhaps this character has already been eluded to previously by them in the past be we overlooked them due to a lack of awareness to their status.
Our guardian?
Randall is the last Disciple. It just makes sense.
Could you imagine him being even tankier than he already is!?!
He shrugs off nova bombs like you threw a water balloon in his direction.
We do know there are other disciples in other timelines. Ana Bray and Eris for an example. The lore entry could be any one of those as the lore could be from any number of timelines.
Ahamkara is likely though with the O'witness part. It could also be a disciple in a future dungeon or raid next expansion/season.
I hate that English is not my native language and d2 Lore has words I've never heard of. Makes it just a lil harder to understand. But it's still interesting af😅thank u for your efforts🤙🏽
The guardian is the forgotten disciple. Imagine it being repurposed by the traveler after its death.
Would make sense since we are the strongest guardian whoever lived
@@281kaponeand that we were able to move the pyramid on europa
That would be crazy
@@Rezesko wait how pls explain
or is this a thing tied to the beyond light main campaign(That I probably just forgot)?
While it would make sense for the Witness' interest in us, wouldn't he have said something to us by now?
]]]Osiris…Shaxx…Lysander…Rezyl…Toland…I know you hear the whispers…the universal strings of fate are entangled, resonant.[[[
It's gotte be an ahamkahra. An illusion of a being long dead- we know that people thought riven was the last ahamkahra which is kind of an illusion if theres more ahamkahra's out there. Also illusions and wish magic is right up their street
As well as the fact that it says ‘O Witness’ much like the phrase ‘O xyz Mine’ is mentioned whenever Riven was mentioned
Fascinating, great work as always.
This might be my favourite since this disciple isn't some blind fanatic but actually goes out there way to ask the meaning if there master plan it makes much more then common henchmen.
I swear to god if its just Taniks again im going to send him back into the god dam cryo chamber in DSC
The unknown disciple is an entity with some control over wish magic, probably an Ahamkara. The questions it is asking if the witness and the answers it would receive would give the magic shape and intent. Mara Sov created the wall of wishes as a means of visually communicating with Riven and leaving "No spaces between her words" for the wish magic to distort her wishes. Similarly, the witness has only ever given an intent and extension of will, the disciple may be fishing for further clarification so it can distort the witness's wish by finding spaces between it's words.
I’m hyped for next season!
Titan returning and Darkness dungeon? I think it will be fun!
I think Eris is Xivu Arath and Xivu Arath is the unknown disciple. Would be a hell of a twist since she's been "helping" us since D1. May also be why Nezarec sends the guardian nightmares to her. She also acts on her own quite a bit. Then there was that scene where she dunks her orb in the veiled woman's milk at the end of Shadowkeep.
I think its Xivu Aruth. I also think she figured out a way to merge the Vex with Darkness using nightmare magic. She did it as a trial to perfect it so she can rez Oryx and thats when savathun comes back to help
Guardians: What is the Veil
Disciples: What is the Final Shape
And does the final shape connect to my home WiFi
Do you think the name the witness may have some relation to quantum observation?
It's real anymore content they put out they will. !!! I don't play anymore but I still follow the game & lore great video
I wonder if rhulk and nezzy ever just pal around, destroying whole civilizations
Huh, i never noticed Calus started bleeding from his skull in the cutscene he pissed off The Witness in
Like pieces of a chessboard, the disciples are nothing more than pawn, just as I saw calus to be when I first saw his machinations aboard the Glykon. In the end in some way we knew this would happen for calus. A failure to the end
I believe it's Oryx by deciphering the initial text of that entry. On top of Savathuns, 2 truths 2 lies.
Perhaps this disciple is working undercover.
It might be the least exciting one but it could very well be orxy once he killed the worm god he took the power to commune with the deep/darkness and that’s where he got the power to take it could be the witness orxy learned to communicate with
Did you know that the quest archive in the tower is a disciple 😮😮😮
What?
possibly the first disciple? One the witness put effort into and then something occurred causing the witness to draw back and treat the others as pawns?
i really like that i can watch videos in 2x speed
Either the Guardian or Osiris is the forgotten disciple
There was this one Civilization the Hive struggled against in its earlier conquests. With some huge Space Raven i believe that. Is where this Disciple is from. Emonite or so where the Name.
You're confusing two races here. The Ammonite were an advanced space fairing species of 6 legged cephalopods that lived on and controlled the moons of Fundament. They were greeted by the Traveler at some point and worshipped the Leviathan of Fundament and the Traveler. The Taishibethi were an Avian species that had the Tai Emperor Raven. The Taishibethi were overrun by the Hive until the Emperor Raven returned to them and fought the Hive at something called the Sky Bridge. She single-handedly destroyed a Hive war moon but was Taken by Oryx. As far as we know, the Tai were never blessed by the Traveler.
6:50 no matter what he did. I felt sorry for him at this scene. Calus didnt had any interest at the Final Shape. Better say the end of life. But he also wanted the end of his luxury hedonism
The Witness could obviously destroy everything all by itself without the help of any deciple if that was the goal. So maybe the Witness is good and is just giving the Sol a good cleaning. Preparing for the final "shape" of existance
Could it be Aetheon? He was the most violent as he travelled through the timelines and essentially was a war machine. Do we know Atheon's history before VoG? Maybe there's a link with the portal's and all the exotic's earned by completing disciples of The Witness.
No
The Vex were always considered the final shape, and Atheon is not (I believe) Sol Divisive, so he would not have a care in the world about the Witness
Atheon isn’t a disciple as he oversees the vault of glass which is separated from time and space. But even then he’s not associated with Sol Divisive
@@archon7105 @UnderInkWolf Fair enough I see. Thank you for your responses. I only know the lore in-depth in specific areas so ty for the knowledge.
I would say this mysterious Disciple would be this leviathan enemy of the Witness on Titan but that theory has some gaps in it.
Has anyone else realized that we will have to end our ghost for the Final Shape. It's link to the Witness and it's ability to use our ghost for it's own needs. I'm not happy about this, but I do believe it will happen.
"An Enemy Of The Witness Is On Titan"
Could it be a Witness who quite literally saw the light?
Violence is war, and war is xivu
Are we the final shape? Is the witness giving us dark powers to make us stronger for his using. Are our fights with his disciples trials to see our worth? If this is true we've passed all his tests and there for we would be fitting as the final shape.
The disciple is obviously Shaw Han’s past life.
Wondering if it's the Leviathan on Titan. So called ally of the Traveler, who the Witness thinks is "dead" or at least dealt with.
could it be Xivu ? there is clearly no love lost between her and her sister. so it wouldn't surprise me that she would refer to her as that witch.
is there any lore regarding Savathun and the Witness conversing on what their end goal / agreement was or how she ultimately deceived him ? She never did become a disciple in title but it’s arguable taking on a worm, her and her siblings are as powerful.
My man, we've known for over a year shes stronger than a Disciple since she made Rhulk her little bitch and sealed him up since before the collapse
She was responsible for killing Nezarec and halting the success of the first collapse, both of those are what I understand to be at least some of her deceptions of The Withness. It's more than possible The Witness knew what Savathun was responsinel for those things but kept her around anyway to use her for the worm breeding program. Also, why Rhulk was there to watch her, The Witness knew what she had done before and figured it was just a matter of time before she tried to deceive him again.
“O Witness” sounds like something to do with Ahamkara maybe
What is Toland the shattered becomes or has become a disciple
Evaze, i saw something i want you to know about. so i recently got the copperhead supremacy ghost shell. the lore card on it says, “ for ghost who are watching, coiling, waiting “
could this be tied to our ghosts being a spy for the witness????????
just a random thought lolz
pls read the this Evaze
Get a grip smh.
Might be Xivu Arath (The God of War) 🤔
Kratos is the God of War 😂
@@RafaelRodriguez-nb8in Don't say that to Bungie 🤫
They think The Vex have nothing to do with Greek Mythology
Taox perhaps? 🤷🏻♂️
Can't wait to go to titan in season of the deep
This makes me think that there isn’t a single final shape but a reflection for each being that seeks it out
Kinda sounds like Madara Uchiha's plan to put the world to sleep in a peaceful sleep
I think the lost discipline will be the “enemy of the witness” I don’t believe he is dead
Yoo what if the lost disciple is the Gaurdian which would explain why its so powerful and the traveler brought it back after we died?
The unknown disciple is Zavala
The unknown disciple is.....
The architects
Taox Taox Taox pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease
It's us.
Honestly... If i was the witness, and my disciples died by a bunch of rats from earth! And i have the power to just wipe them all with a flick of my wrist... I would've done it ages ago!! And dealt with the traveler knowing i won't be interrupted by any minor inconveniences!
Hello there
Green goblin?
Is it bad that I don't view the witness as a villain anymore
No because he's not seeming to be a villain at this point
@@gwaustin99 exactly
He's not a villain, he's not evil. his entire motive is to save someone. save a "lover" that "lover" being trapped inside the traveller. he is just taking it way too far. doing whatever he has to to achieve his goal
Was it the leader from house of salvation.
This Disciple is old and Eramis is new so no it’s not Eramis
I think it's Eris
Sounds like a vex or ahamakara
Is it possible that the disciple is Ulan-Tan? That mf is dead somehow but he was a guardian and his death was never explained in lore, it was just assumed he's dead. He has a lost sector 'Grove of Ulan-Tan' on io, this is where the whisper mission was. Also I think he is the author of unveiling. His whole symmetry philosophy matches perfectly with Jakob Bohme, who he stated as being right in Unveiling.
Imagine fighting an entity that can move very fast and look scary af like this illustration of the unknown disciple. Destiny 2 may finally be fun again.
O witness??? Sounds like a worm
Proto-Rhulk?
It's a Vex Disciple😂.
Oryx or xivu
A wish dragon as a disciple????
We all know who it is.
TELESTO
The lost disciple is the undead cayde-6 , memory’s jumbled but intact he’s our cayde but controlled.. and we godda fight him or join him for we have been taking in so much darkness
One of my biggest questions is the scene where the witness is telling Calus “we know fear” who’s “we”?? The witness and who?
The witness is a they, they are kinda like a collection of souls as you see with the “smoke” coming from his head
i think the witness is referring to itself in third person. it has many identities so it grammatically the witness would say 'we' when talking about itself
@@hyland2501 It's also possible it's using the Majestic Plural, aka: the Royal "we" which was/is used by sovereigns to speak for the state itself.
@@S3Cs4uN8 great point actually. i reckon u've hit the nail on the head with that
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That disciplie is / was one of the cloudstriders. There will maybe a raid against him in the future.
boring
The witness didn’t know about Neomuna or clouldstriders until Lightfall.
@@hithere5553 how do you know? The Witness just didn’t know where the veil was but he knew Neomuna because of the time before the first colapse
@@OfflineBTW Rasputin said that all of the files referring to Neptune were deleted by someone. We found out about it from the files Rasputin had sectioned off from the rest of his system. The Witness found out when he communed with the traveler
@@Fearkillshot Youre right, I completely forgot about that...
I think the mystery disciple is Fikrul, the Fanatic. Remember we’ve been seeing fanatics chosen in the purple scorn,
Please new enemy
May be unn
Watch it be the traveler 😅
Just a theory...What if the Traveler was a disciple and stole a power the Witness wanted and broke away from him. Thats why the Witness was pursuing the traveler to get back a power that lead to the final shape?
taniks
It's always Taniks. He is the final shape
@@Angelus_Arkadius please no😂