Destiny 2 - WHY GUARDIANS CAN’T REMEMBER THEIR PAST!
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- When a Guardian gets revived in Destiny, it’s a blank slate. The character has no recollection of their past life and memories. Ghost is responsible for bringing us back and does have some connection to our past memory, able to sense the characteristics of a human, helping them find the correct Guardian. Today we discuss why Guardians can’t remember their previous life and Ghost's connection to Darkness.
“Destiny 2 Guardian Memory”
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I wonder if our Guardian's past life has anything to do with how powerful we are compared to guardians around us. Ex: It would be really cool if there was a twist in final shape where it's revealed that we were chosen to be a disciple of the witness but were struck down by the traveler in the collapse, eventually revived with no memory of the past. It would explain why we've been able to kill almost everything thrown our way, while also wielding darkness (almost)flawlessly.
I mean tbh I don't really know what a disciple of the witness would be doing in the cosmodrome presumably trying to escape cause where we get revived is by a bunch of old cars that were queuing to get away, near launch pads.
So we are Revan from Star Wars? I would hope Bungie can do something more unique.
@@Cappy_Cat ah good point. Wouldn't make much sense. Just hoping to maybe see some actual dialogue between us and the witness in fs. Maybe he'll approach us to offer a place as a disciple(food for thought)
@@cameronfischer9227 Yeah, hopefully we do lol, I mean the witness is the big bad that's been hyped up all this time, I hope we get a moment like that in the game
@@Cappy_Cat By that same token how could our character be an Awoken on Earth? The Awoken are created after the Collapse. It doesn’t make any sense for our guardian to be presumably someone who died during the Collapse when the Awoken are created from a ship of civilians running from the Collapse. Our character doesn’t have to be a Disciple of the Witness for a similar story beat to occur. If I remember correctly there is a lore card about Savathun teaching her song to a group of humans before the Collapse. Our guardian could have been influenced by her in some way. It would align with Savathun’s goals and would explain why we have faired so well against the Darkness and specifically Hive. If we don’t kill Crota, Crota destroys the Traveler. If we don’t kill Oryx, Oryx destroys the Traveler. Considering the work Savathun put in to hide the Traveler and her role as a traitor, it wouldn’t surprise me if Savathun did something so that humanity would be capable of protecting the Traveler in her absence.
I remember when the exo stranger "we always had it in us" in beyond light. so I think the ghosts connection and our connection to the darkness is a thing.
Remember the exo even says that we never existed in all realitys she visited. We are a anomaly.
@@silverbloodborne9495no she said we existed but we either died or fell to darkness
It just occurred to me that the ghost itself is a sphere surrounded by moving almost pyramid shapes, almost like the "final shape". Not sure if this has been acknowledged as I'm not that knowledgeable about it, but perhaps it leads somewhere.
It’s been kinda pointed out… sort of. The cutscene from Lightfall where the pyramids surround the traveler actually resembled a ghost. More specifically, Sagira, but a ghost nonetheless.
I think the reason why we dont have our memories is to spare us the ptsd of our death. Theoretically with our awakening in the area we wake, leads you to believe that you were probably a figure trying to save people in the event of the witness' collapse. Where as some probably got wiped out instantly with no sense of the death, we probably witnessed it. We probably felt the pain, fear and emotions of our death as well as others. I also think thats why the Witness took a liking to us. We have retained that emotion in our very core and still we continue on. We come to terms with all our emotions and understand them. We first died overcoming and since we continue to live to overcome.
now i can answer my friends question
The last lore entry shows that Ghosts can only infer what someone was like from their physical attributes (e.g. scars). It literally says it doesn't know about the morals of the person they're resurrecting, which makes sense when you look at the lucent hive and Finch in particular.
Its always been my opinion that loosing memories upon resurrection as a guardian is something the travelor designed to be. Not just an unfortunate happenstance. They WANT certain kinds of people to get a redo with no memories and magic powers.
But -- memory magic as we now know is a darkness thing.
So ghosts being able to rez- wipe memory-- then continue to rez but keep memory? Ya-- i think theres a weeee bit of darkness in them. Think yin-yang. All good has some evil and all evil has some good.
I always think that Our "Guardian" is presented as We as player being ressurected, and all this time we Play as fictional future self, saving the universe
The Light and The Dark are tools that take on the attributes of those who wield them. Warriors who have no memories have nothing but what is given to them. They are tools more apt to do what they are told. They are good soldiers.
Ghost is but a conduit for both light and dark.
Here’s a question. What do you think the 3rd Darkness subclass is? We have strong conviction of will/stasis and free flow of the cords of life/strand. I’ve got a strong hunch the 3rd subclass will be Chaos. A power that is ever present and not at all.
Thoughts?
While it’s definitely possible and a great idea. If you invert the colours of the light subclasses you get the same colours as the darkness subclasses. Like inverting solar you get stasis and inverting void you get strand, if you invert arc you get an orange colour which people seem to link to “Resonance” similar to what Rhulk hits you with in VOTD. It’s a bit confusing though cause as stated by Osiris light and dark are not opposites.
@@avoid1397Actually void should have been a darkness subclass. It is infinite and without bounds. Bungie will pull a reveal that the Traveler is both light and darkness and the Witness is just a byproduct of them being in the universe.
@dmnbackfire876 I think at the end we will have one subclass that is conjoined by both darkness and light.
The 3rd subclass will be Microtransactions. The power to make your enemies subscribe and make them pay for an eternity
@@evilformerlys4704 so what you propose is that we will get a new light subclass instead? I like where you are going with this. What do you propose the light class will be?
I think it stands to reason that both the Traveller and the Witness can use light and dark, maybe not fully, but at least partially. It might be because they are physical entities and perhaps not the same entities as the primordial Gardener and Winnower, or perhaps it's a side effect of their transformation into physical beings.
Think about it more like yin and yang. Theres always a little yin within yang, and a little yang within yin.
I think the final shape is the merging of light and dark in harmony. A balance between life and death.
Bro nailed it. Good job man 👏
It seems like every Exo could just go to Europa and download their memory file.
Loophole discovered
Watching Zavala talk to Anastasia is kind of weird him being the same guy not willing to go after uldren then crying so hard about his wife. While the bunker actually did belong to her. They all seem kinda jealous.
The Light forgets while the Darkness remembers. My theory is that the Veil is a sort of hard drive for the universe, except instead of data, it saves memories and secrets of the universe. The traveler used the Veil to create the ghosts so they could access it and the memories within. And since it is a relic of darkness, the ghosts are then born of darkness and that is why the Witness can hijack them. Or, the traveler used memories of the Veil to create sentient AI to stuff in the ghosts so they can make the right choice with all of the morals needed but in doing so, it made them forget their past lives as the Light forgets. And when they resurrect us, we forget because the light overwhelms us and rewrites us. But thats just a spit ball theory that I came up with in about 5 minutes. I'm sure we'll have our definitive answer sooner or later.
It's nice to finally have answers to one of my many questions about the lore of Destiny. I for one am going to stick to the story that I've given my hunter, where something went wrong during his resurrection causing him to retain his memories from life. Now that I have that information, I can now say that that's something was my Hunters ghost was damaged by the darkness during the collapse.
Yeah I know there's a lot that wouldn't work with what I'm about to say but I like it myself. I always wondered if the reason they made the choice to have our guardian not remember anything from their past life was it would be a way we could actually BE that character. Could have been some random person just living their life long long ago wiped out by any number of things that happened over the years and ghost found ... me in all that wreckage and resurrected me to help. Storywise all those memories would be nothing but a source of pain. Game building wise it lets every one of us be ourselves and a guardian at the same time.
Zavala being pissed at Ana Bray scared me
Symbolically I think it's similar to baptism, Christian baptism is not only a ritual of entering a church, but it also is meant to symbolize washing your past sins away and starting a new. A what a guardian did in their past life doesn't matter, what matters in their new life is how they decided to use the light
What happens when a Guardian refuses to fight for the City or the Traveler and decides to go there own way?
Imagine a guardian fighting for the Witness, agreeing with its views, mind blowing.
@@Justin_Leahy He didn’t refuse to fight for the City though. He was one of the strongest Titans around, but got corrupted by the Hive. I’m a kinda rusty on the finer details, so it’s simplistic.
@@StickierBubble i thought dredgen was a hunter
@@djhyuga9711 That’s the tale everyone knows, not necessarily the actual story, guardian
you all are forgetting that the Drifter is one of the oldest lightbearers and honestly, with what the Nine granted him, he's basically neutral with a dance between good and chaos. 😂
I always wondered about this topic
Wow very very very cool
My going train of thought is that the light is granted to the dead, it can grant life but can cause great change. Perpetual motion.
The darkness can be obtained by the living. It aims to reach a final conclusion. Even if that means being unalived or whatever else that may means.
I wish we knew more about the ghosts by this point. The light so far seems dependent on having a ghost or a conduit channel light into something, the physical. Darkness so far does not need a conduit to use it.
While it can be given or bestowed in the case of eramis. But not in the same way of the light. We can be cut off from the light, but idk if the darkness can be cut off in the same way. I actual doubt the darkness can be since it hasn't show resurrection abilities to counter its narrative power.
]]] A sound soul dwells within a sound mind and a sound body. [[[
The option to place headshot damage on our guardian when choosing Exo and how it relates to the Ishtar collective bunker identifying us in D1 seem like hints to our original life
How do our guardians has personality if we don't remember who we was?
There's something in that past lifes that our ghost can see and choose our class?
I have said this before. My theory on why our ghost is connected to the Darkness is because we are still connected to the Shard of the Traveler, not Traveler itself. Sure we still wield it's Light, but we also wield Darkness abilities because the shard that sits in the EDZ was touched by Darkness (presumably the Witnesses doing) and the Traveler cast it off. It sacrificed a piece of itself so it could eventually produce the Ghosts. Reply to me on what you think of my theory.
Great idea, that could be ONE reason of we as light bearers can use darkness, since or rebump on D2 vanilla, we may get a little connecti9n with dark, i think that made stasis easy for us to understand it and wield it, the same for strand
Certainly possible, or the Witness' race created the Traveler and he knows how to access it and such.
@@urazz7739Bruh what? Then who made all the life in the Universe of the Witness species made the Traveler?!? 🤔
@@arielfuentes2577 True, it makes sense when you look at Destiny 2 beginning to end. Connecting to that shard was way more important than just getting our light back to defeat Ghaul. This is probably why the Witness can also control our Ghost. It really speaks through ours. I don't remember it being confirmed with other Guardian's Ghosts.
You make a fair point, I dont think we were ever explicitly told if we relinked to the traveler or not, so if it's because of the shard in the edz, that would make sense. But because i saw earlier today a supposed leak of a cutscene for this season or next. im not so sure now, but it would be interesting if it's because of that.
I'm thinking light and dark are the methods of using the same tool. But light is grounded in reality, meaning it uses this tool (whatever we have to relabel light+dark) physically. Meanwhile, darkness is not grounded in reality, which is why it operates in non physical ways.
Yes Osiris literally says this exact thing my dude
What if we belonged to the witness and was killed in the prior war and the. The traveler needed to boost his odds so he resurrected us to fight on his side and that’s why we don’t remember
Y´know? It would´ve been a great idea for the creation of our character if there was an option in a certain point on the story, or maybe even in the creation part were one could just decide the past of our guardian, what he/she was and how that affects your story, like something similar from Dragon Age: Inquisition, i feel it would´ve added a cause and consequence, besides of a personality itself
What if we get to find out who our guardian used to be after the Light and Darkness saga ends?
Is it possible that the Ghost creates a "backup" that resides "inside" the Traveler until it is brought back out when resurrecting? That might explain Cayde?
Cayde 6 remembered the long slow whisper. What’s up with that?
Because he was an exo and had it recorded in his subconscious
Whats the soundtrack ur using for the beginning of the video? 0:38
Did anyone else immediately notice the triangle light under Savathuns cyrstal?!?!?
i cant imagine in an IRL conflict earths enemies wouldn't start collecting dead bodies just to starve ghosts of easy supply of new guardians.
Reminds me of the power system in Naruto, with sasuke harboring the spirit of the sage of six paths and Naruto having the body
This whole story is Swiss cheese at this point. If light is the domain of the physical why are the darkness powers like strand and stasis the MOST physical of powers?
because light and dark do not oppose one another, being told that they do from the beginning is easier than explaining how a trillion year war started.
Does a guardian's past life of how they were like, what life they lived and their personality determine their class. Titan/Hunter/Warlock?
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .
do people in this universe not carry around an ID in their pockets?
so if the light cant remember how can it ever winn considering it cant remeber its old mistaks?
0:45 little face in the mask visor?!?!?!
It’s possible our character was part of the initial collapse. Maybe on the wrong side. Food for thought
HELLO GUARDIAN
Guardians can’t remember their past because memories are temporary. When you get revived, there is almost nothing left of you, so the ghost rebuilds your entire body, including your brain. That is a fresh brain that never had any memories. And every time you die afterwards the ghost has an entire blueprint of you and the electrons that make up your memories
It's the most biggest Question anyone can ask
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Also, maybe the light doesn’t have the power to recover memories. As Osiris said, the domain of the light is physical, and the domain of darkness is mental.
The only thing that bugs me about the memory thing is that we're totally capable of remembering our previous lives when we die and have our ghosts revive us. So are we really dying, or what the fuck is happening there?
Because the brains were dead and went necrosis. So I guess just reviving us all of memories and muscle memory goes bye-bye.
Correction. Crow/Uldren DOES remember. Savathun took down the wall. Ana however does not remember, she just knows through research.
Hello guardian
I’m just going to throw this here. I am extremely facilitated by the way you put these things together. Bungie SHOULD be reaching out to you to pick your brain about where the story could head. I don’t read the lore much but hot damn you make it interesting. Thank you! 👏
I have a feeling my guardian had a heavy relationship with tequila. Probably explains it.
It’s a lot easier to influence people without prior experiences to draw upon.
That’s why most extreme political/social/societal opinions you see online are espoused by teenagers and early twenty-somethings.
Doesn't drifter more or less still have his memories
I mean people can use dark powers without being or have being guardians so maby the explanation of our guardian is that we were a human who had figured out how to channal light or dark already. Maby we were acting as a guard.
Or maby we were made directly by the traveler and left for our ghost to find
I mean, light abilities aren't really physical, and darkness powers are. So yeah, they could be the same thing, just depends on how you interpret them.
Strand and stasis physically bind things and light gives it certain properties like burning or electrifying
Technically we all been stuck in Russian traffic outside a wall. (Only then to end up in South America (last city))
the memory wus erased for the guardian to survive the brain tended to shut itself down otherwise it wus so with the exos anyway so im sure itäs the same way here
I think the traveler does it on pourpse. To manipulate you.
Missed the red war miss visiting titan, Mars and Venus. Miss when you buy a season pass, you unlock everything. Missing everything that makes Destiny well Destiny. I love playing this game. I first played it on PC for the beta and it got me hook. The game mechanics, the weapons, the armor and the story. Then I got it on console PS4 where I played it everyday, every night. I wasn't a crucible fan but I love the rush it give you the same with gambit. When you click on them, it load up one time to the march. I don't agree with what Bungie is doing to them to the game on the hold. They are removing all what makes the game that makes the game
We don’t want to see what we were doing if we weren’t killing gods and dying by our own stupidity. Also what about shin malpher the golden gunner how does he have his memories.
Because he received a ghost not resurrected by one
Has there been any ghosts that turned on their guardian?
Fynch, he refused to raise his hive guardian
There's Fynch, Gilgamesh (Katabasis' ghost) and an unnamed ghost who was paired with a Lightbearer who was insane.
So if that's the case how was Zavala able to remember that he had a son and wife and remembered their names?
Zavala had a wife and son after he was resurrected
Get this!! It’s called A GHOST which are a symbol of darkness.
The Vanguard prohibition regarding a Guardian delving into their past is policy...NOT law. Which calls into question whether any such law could be enforceable in the first place. The hierarchy or leadership of the Vanguard is by common assent/acclaim of the rest of the Guardians. There is no real formal or legal basis for whatever authority they may wield. Guardians as such...cannot have their "guardianship" revoked by the Vanguard since that status was gifted by the Traveler. Those corrupted guardians who have been otherwise...retired by the likes of the members of Shin's group or members of the Hidden and other as yet unidentified "enforcers"....those killings were extra-judicial and really have no legal basis beyond whatever need was used to rationalize or justify the action taken.
Things are done because they can be done. Not because of any real authority legal or otherwise.
Honestly I always thought Ghosts took out previous personalities.
Fun fact
Annas full name means resurrection which is greek and Russian
No memory at all? No memory of our family or job ? Sounds great, actually
it's also a con because you don't remember who you are
I still think our past self is Dr. Shim - a scientist that worked on the Vex project in the Ishtar Collective. The Collective Archive facility recognizes our Guardian as Dr. Shim when we walk in during the Archive mission in D1, and our Dinklebot says "Dr. Shim? Ahhhhh. Nevermind that."
A lot of people have stated that the bodies are those of Dr. Shim and the others who were trapped in the archive, but there are Grimoire cards and lore that point to scientists making it out (such as the Winterbite Exotic lore), so it is very possible that Dr. Shim made their way to Earth after Venus.
The real question is why didn’t savathun lose her memory after she was resurrected…?
She did, but by replaying her memories during the campaign, she regained her memory.
Our Guardian’s memory will come in the Final Shape remember we were there when the first collapsed happened. I think we stopped the collapse by sacrificing our self’s something happened on the cosmodrome that we ended there. I think we will do it again we are the last hope by sacrificing ourselves Destiny 2 ends and a new Guardian Rises. O man so many questions 😊. Let’s hope we get a epic ending for our Guardian.
Bet the ghost came from the darkness not the traveler
Are you the kind of person who would continue on far past what anyone else would be willing to endure? Are you willing to put your life on the line repeatedly for those around you? Would you die for your people if it came to that? Are you the type of person to actively lookout for the people under your charge these are characteristics that many good men and women display repeatedly. In other words it’s the Captain’America thought process. would you jump on that grenade or lay down on that wire for your fellow man would you pull a tony stark and snap your fingers. It’s why I like Destiny so much cuz at my core I know I would even if it went unnoticed or unappreciated.
lol
What if the witness’ species created the ghosts and they would spread out when the right civilization got the traveler and somehow send a beacon to the witness while creating an army. But we were left alone too long
Why is it no one is touching on the fact that the traveler looks like a giant ghost when the darkness finds it, and that it may actually be one. Another thing would be that the traveler has always shown us the path to take, we start with light so that we are pure and develop in a way that we wont become corrupted by the darkness when it appears, slowly getting us closer to remembering our past and being able to wield the the darkness and light together, olmost like a mother letting her child take a first steps seeing it falter then helping it try again. The collapse may have been a trial that we failed and the traveler created the ghosts so that our frail species would have a chance to learn from it. Maybe even have been a mistake by the traveler, which if it is a ghost, who is trying to find its partner in the universe itself.
Why can't guardians reproduce
Second!!!
First! Yeahhhh!
Good for you no one cares
First?!
Who fucking cares
Ana bray “those are the rules” “…I’m not good with rules” goooooooood shut uuuuuuuuuuuup
Just here to say crow is still trash
It’s an absurd character conceit.
My son woke me one night complaining how grandpa was bothering him and wouldn’t leave him alone. While he was still standing next to my bed the ex-wife, his mother, called to explain Poppy died a few minutes and miles away in another town. If that nasty, cruel, petty awful man can cross-over and tap-back to my son, then I pay attention.
There is more than what science has measured.
I went ahead and made my own backstory. Like my exo-Titan I cast as Lost Astronaut and wears spacesuits and I try to use only the older conventional weapons. Bungie could have tapped a rich buy-in exercise for players to invest in and make their own. No need for templates and list of characters to choose from, just riff on player imagination the way radio stories let you use imagination.
I've really always thought of it as a more realistic biologic concept. Even if you can rebuild the cells to return the body to life total brain death ussually mean those memories would be lost even after revival
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .
Take a closer look at the gost and at the travler when it is surounded by the piramid ships, put the picture of the 2 next to eachother and tel me what do you thinc is bungie hinting at .