Unfair Advantage? BMW and Ferrari PENALIZED After Rolex 24!
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- BMW and Ferrari have been fined and penalized after they were found to be outside their performance window during the Rolex 24 at Daytona.
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I'm a bit on the fence here... If Ferrari and BMW achieve this pace with the established BoP parameters, without breaking them, isn´t this just bad BoP? If they sandbagged pre-race to get this, isn´t IMSA job to catch them in time and apply correct BoP?
Overall i think we needed a bit more clarity by IMSA explaining exactly how the rules were broken
it's that Ferrari and BMW built a very friendly car with BOP
For 2024, IMSA worked with the manufacturers regarding BOP. They did it, so that they couldn't be fully blamed for bad BOP. IMSA would set a certain performance parameter, and it is up to the manufacturers to set up the car for it. Ferrari and BMW were seconds faster than everyone else and went over the expected performance. I mean, even people with half a brain could see that there is something wrong when a brick on wheels (M4) was passing the 720s and Huracan on the straights like they were standing still.
@@johncarl5505 bmw always had a top speed advantage over other manufacturers just like how porsche has always been good on the brakes and mercedes has good aero
@@somerandomanonymousnpcyup exactly..
So in other words they played it off like they were slower than what they really was and IMSA busted them for it right?
That's how I'm understanding it!
I can see penalizing a car or team for sandbagging. I can see penalizing a manufacturer for using parts outside of the homologous or bop. But penalizing manufacturers for going faster than you thought they would is a penalty that I have a hard time wrapping my head around
It kinda feels like when an athlete has an above average performance, and the next morning there is a drug test waiting for them 😂
It's because the BOP is developed by the Manufacturers this year and agreed upon amongst them. So clearly Ferrari and BMW sandbagged the process and have been caught. Thats why it's manufacturer based
I mean they sandbagged regardless to get in a better bop window so they should be penalized
Yeah, I guess I just don’t understand the process. Ferrari was fastest and the roar of all GTDs with a 1:45.7. They make a tiny BOP adjustment to the wing angle. Fastest Ferrari does a 45.8 in the race. I don’t know why anyone would expect anything different. I guess with the new process it was Ferrari’s fault for not slowing themselves down more after the roar? I guess that’s how it works now, but it just seems so strange to me.
@@robcampbell6099 So you have inside information? "Clearly"??
Maybe teams having this much of a say on BoP wasn't a good idea.
I think they should absolutely be disqualified. The fine and manufacturer points are nothing compared to a Daytona 24h win. This encourages teams to break the rules knowing they'll keep the win. What's a slap on the wrist worth when you've got a Rolex on it?
Nice wording 😄
No one even broke the rules.
Exactly!
By IMSA not disqualifying teams from the race they are basically saying the BoP rules don't matter. IMSA can't keep letting teams keep race trophies when they have cheated. It's Ridiculous and it's not the first time either.
Teams didn't run outside of their assigned BOP, which is why they aren't able to penalize the teams. BOP this year is done by the manufacturers rather than IMSA, which is why the manufacturers' points were taken.
The cars were legal.
BMW and Ferrari were just capable of good engineering to optimize their cars directly for the performance window.
That’s amazing engineering and what I expect from good racing!
But IMSA is an American show series like NASCAR is these days.
The last true sportscar racing class in the USA was the amazing AMLS!
I still rewatch the races often, they are just amazing.
I also like the old IMSA GTP.
The Camel GT was an amazing series that pushed great and for the fans interesting engineering solutions!
@@rolux4853If the performance window takes into account horse power/weight ratio and at the same fuel/air ratio and maybe a skid pad test then I agree it comes down to good engineering. But if they all have the same HP regardless of weight it`s not fair competition.
Have they cheated? IMO this is an IMSA f*ckup.
Next time disqualify every manufacturer that wins a race because they were too fast.....
Having the manufacturers being punished and lose points is only part of the problem. The teams that used these cars KNEW that these cars had the extra bit of power in them and declined to admit that to IMSA. That's being complicit with the crime by the manufacturer. I know no team is willing to be honest and say that they are too fast, but come on IMSA, this is blatant. Hit the teams and drivers along with the manufacturers.
So can someone remind me why the #6 963 kept getting penalised in real time for putting too much energy through a torque sensor, but it's taken a month to notice when Ferrari & BMW do it?
Because GT3s don't have torque sensors, they only have those in WEC. IMSA had to check the data of all of those cars manually after the race.
@@Maenfy Oh, thanks. I didn't know that. I only just heard about the virtual energy tank being applied to GT3 yesterday. The more you know, eh? Cheers.
Keeping the Daytona win is bigger than points.
I doubt BMW and especially Ferrari would even care about the points dock. At the end of the day Ferrari keeps their GT Win and the Daytona 24 hrs is one of those events where teams and brands care more about winning compared to maximizing points for the championship and the endurance cup.
BOP is stupid. Build a weapon to the limits of the rule book, show up and go racing. You'll never equalize the field unless you stick them in the same car that you, the racing organization prepared for them, and hand that car to them on race day. BOP racing is spec racing for a group of people wanting to feel like they have more control than they actually do.
Ferrari and BMW can expect to have (rightfully) shit BoP the next few races.
The teams and drivers need to be stripped of points for knowing that their cars weren't running at full power. That's called being an accessory.
without knowing what the technical infraction was and how much faster they were, it's hard to draw a reasonable conclusion.
At what point is the driver considered a BOP? Hey' your driver is quick. Pit stop adjustments worked great. Tell him to slow down😢
Just wait until they require fast drivers to have one arm tied behind their back. 😂
I find it incredibly difficult to take seriously any racing series that says "You can race, but don't race too well. We wouldn't want you to out perform anyone. We're more interested in 'equity' "...
Glad it's not just me. I like to see a nice full grid of different brands like the next fan. But not if they have to nerf the good cars to make it... "fair" I think the excerpt from the rules summed it up nicely. It's an opportunity for manufacturers to display their automotive architecture. So, basically more of a marketing opportunity than a race series lol. A parade of rental racers and retired pro's trying not to go too fast in their de-tuned "racecars". Oh well.
@@M3rVsT4H More both a marketing opportunity and a popular race series. Looking back through automotive racing history when one manufacturer dominates a series the series dies in popularity and the series itself soon follows. Case in point virtually every sports car series that Porsche has dominated for more than 1 season. The only two forms of automotive motorsport that have proven to be at least somewhat immune is F1 and WRC. As much as you don't like the idea of "nerfing" the better cars the reality is that most motorsports fans enjoy close racing more than they like seeing one manufacturer dominate, especially when it comes to sports car racing like LMP and GT. Thus there is real incentive to create a truly balanced field where the different cars are actually competitive relative to each other.
Is it cheesy as all? Absolutely yes, but if it means that manufacturers like Lamborghini are actually willing to field a car (Yes, Lamborghini came back to racing before BoP itself released but the rules that eventually led the FIA to introduce BoP anyways are the same rules that encouraged Lamborghini to come back to the race track. Not to mention getting Ford and Aston Martin to develop new cars to replace the GT and Vantage line rather than leaving too.) in a racing series rather than the entire field just being a few manufacturers and the racing is closer then I am totally down for the gimmick if the races become more exciting both in eye candy for cars and in how close the race actually is. When the FIA introduced BoP I thought it was incredibly dumb myself but I was willing to give it a chance based on the reasons the FIA said that they were doing it and frankly BoP has largely delivered on what they intended.
@@rainsilent Not sure if you changed my mind, but you make some sound points and I respect your opinion. FWIW, I think WRC and F1 are interesting studies. F1 moves the goal posts so often it's just hard for anyone to take a death grip on the field for too long. And WRC nerfed the whole field so hard, they leveled it for everyone.
Anyway, If I want real unfiltered competition, I guess there's still Hillclimb and TimeAttack. Thanks for your perspective.
@@M3rVsT4H F1 is the only place still doing it the "old fashioned" way of constantly changing regs to prevent dominance. Until around 2015 WRC kept fairly consistent regs that were vaguely open. More recently though they have done exactly what you said.
For the record I wasn't trying to change your mind. I was just trying to point out the reason for it. I still think it is dumb for the race cars as I want to see the limits of what they can do, not what modern sports car racing is. From a business perspective though? You just can't allow that as a racing series if you want even a chance to thrive. As much as I don't like it I begrudgingly accept it because, ultimately, the only other option is no racing. So what is the lesser of two evils? I simply enjoy modern sports car racing for what it is. Not proper pure racing but racing entertainment.
The last organized racing series that truly offered what we want to see in racing was group B (one could argue group C up to 89-90 or thereabouts but I think group B was the last true series that actually upheld the spirit of true racing and was as close to unlimited as one could get.) and we can all look back at how that ended. The only place you can find anything similar now is exactly where you said. Hillclimbs and Time Attacks. That is why, to me, the last great bastion of pure racing is the Pikes Peak hill climb.
Porsche is found to have violated the rules at Watkins Glen: IMSA disqualifies the winning Porsche.
Acura, BMW, and Ferrari found to have violated the rules: keep their wins.
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IMSA's strategy of stripping away race points, but keeping their overall position in the race, is the dumbest shit ever. If this were any race, it'd be fine. But Daytona 24H is one of the most hyped endurance races and the fact of the matter is that teams are willing to cheat and keep their position despite the points loss. The rest of the season doesn't matter to them, so why bother with a seemingly trivial penalty.
This and the WTR shit back then is just frustrating.
They didn't Chest technically,they sandbagged during BOP assignment so they received Favourable BOP,like Ford GT did years ago
Shouldn't the testing be done by someone other than them?
@@wiegraf9009 yes but in 2024 they adopted a different method
Frankly its the same story. Instead of teams told to up your performance, they penalize the winners. This is of course in order to make Corvette and Ford future winners, because they have the newest cars that still need development. I'm American as they come, but these shenanigans always come about when teams start complaining. Thats why I hate BOP, as do most fans. This is done so the casual fan supposedly finds this entertaining. THe Nascaring of the world doesnt work.
Fundamentally, I don't think you understand GT3 if you're complaining about BOP for that. "The casual fan" wasn't even a thought when the concept of GT3 was drafted up twenty years ago.
Frankly, the core problem is that especially in IMSA (and now basically every top level GT series now, but IMSA is handily the worst for it, since IMSA does their own thing entirely separate from the SRO), that manufacturers are *heavily* involved in GT3, and not just in term of customer support.
Oh I understand BOP. In order for the casual fan to supposedly be interested is close racing with lots of passing. It’s spec racing with the idea that OEMs all have a chance to win. And also supposedly making the cars affordable to buy so customer teams can buy them. Just saying, knock the winners down so everyone can catch up. It’s been very popular because everyone is tired of oval track crash fests with basically the same car. Hate to see it here, but with the 1 GT category , that’s where they’re going. They added 40 kilos to the Acuras so everyone can catch up.
@@K9RacingAndStuff - Seems like Vito understands GT3 quite well …
@@vitoaugello1677 GT3 was originally just one make cars like the Carrera Cup and SuperTrofeo competing against each other with minimal modifications, as a response to the escalation of both GT1 and GT2. It's the solution to "how do we make cars not originally meant to compete against each other do so against with minimal effort and cost". Not too dissimilar both in idea and in necessity to what was originally expected of the Prototype class back in 2014 when you had three wildly different car types competing directly against each other that didn't previously.
I also really wouldn't define that as something of interest to any casual, especially since GT3 was never really a headlining class in it's own right until the early-mid 10s, when manufacturer involvement really picked up. Which is it's own collection of issues as old as time in racing. And really, why I assign OEMs and the absurd stake they have in a set of regulations they shouldn't have as much stake as they have to begin with as the problem.
Also, SRO's BOP (which is entirely different from the shit that IMSA and the ACO does) has zero manufacturer involvement and success ballast elements to it. It's just the SRO independently testing setting specs for how a car runs as a part of it's homologation as a GT3, and letting the teams go from there.
This is all to vague for me.
I don’t know how to think about this case with such few knowledge about what really happened here..
This literally makes no sense. How are you going to penalize a team for performing above your expectations when the BoP was set based on their practice? They monitor everything even in practice and pre-season testing.
They did testing way back in December to determine a max performance baseline. They use that baseline to come up with a BOP prior to practice. The manufacturers work with IMSA on this. After IMSA added weight, more drag, and lower HP they got faster. You can tell instantly that something is wrong.
Are they not allowed to develop the car after testing?
I’m giving up on IMSA!!
See ya!
After the race it was obvious that the Ferrari and BMW had pace much faster than their competitors. The winning Pro car had more pit stops and still won by alomst a full lap. It could have won by 3 laps if there were no incidents. Complete BS that they get to keep the W and points. If they are going to keep the W, than IMSA should impose severe BOP changes to slow their cars enough that they aren't competitive for the rest of the season. It would be absolutely insane if they win a championship becasue of the points they cheated to get!
I honestly don't understand this one. Were they running too much horsepower, boost pressure, etc than specified in the regulations. Or is there something I'm missing here
They weren't. They just had a BoP that allowed them to be faster.
@@R4M_Tommy Seems like IMSA messed up then, not the teams
@acasale25 Ok, Boss.
Nah they were running a slightly slower lap time making the bop look correct then truly pushed during the race to show that they did not allow for a fair bop in the first place
@@BIGmanDAN72exactly and they likely sandbagged the IMSA testing in December.
This is lame. How about we fix the checkered flag situation and prevent future races from ending before time expires? There’s a clock running for a reason lol
Definitely need to be stricter with the rules and more penalties in the future. Nice video. Keep up the good work.
So technically, if every manufacturer would have sandbagged, would they have all reveived this penalty?
If they want a spec series, make a spec series. It’s ridiculous to have that wide of a variety of cars in one class. What next, make everyone carry a boat anchor and run on snow tires if Jeep decides to enter GTD PRO?
PPM was stripped of a win last season for skid plate violation. Why are isn't the same punishment handed over to this lot. It appears there are greater and lesser rules in the rule book.
ahh I hate BOP
Great breakdown of this news Stu! It’s unfortunate that BMW and Ferrari were both found to be violating the rules. 😕
Yeah it absolutely sucks that this has happened, but onto the next one!
BOP needs to go. Its artificial, subjective, and can be manipulated. ultimately, the rule should be car should have a road homologation version with 80+% shared components and no team can use more than X amount of fuel/tires per race.
I knew it. BoP is designed for European Cars to compete. They cut the nuts off my Blue Oval during testing so this can happen. Hilarious.
Pretty much. Ford brought a car that was too fast and nothing from Europe could compete. Ford was honest in their testing and showed how good their car was. Other manufacturers held back so they could have a leg up on race day
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Ford being honest😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@cmdrdreddThe GT3 Mustang for the street has over 250 more HP than the race car. IMSA choked it off and other cars were passing it on the straights.
Not sure if you're joking or not but that's the most delusional take I've read in ages. So if a 'Murican car doesn't win then it must be somekind of conspiracy lol? Maybe you Americans really think like that. I sincerely hope not though, cause that would be just too hilarious and pathetic.
Total crap. Have strict displacement limits, weight limits, and separate N/A and forced induction classes. Done.
I understand why IMSA wants to use BoP among production-based cars (equalize competitors, to create a better show), but then the race results don't show what the cars can really do. What sense does it make when a C8 Z06 Corvette is restricted to 550 HP in IMSA when the production car is rated at 670 HP? So what does a race win mean?
Absolutely nothing !
Well cars usually don't last 24 hours at 100% of their power. Even the LMP1 cars had to detune their engine a bit to last for the whole race and that was pre BoP.
@@Maenfy - The fastest way to “detune” engines is to instruct drivers not to exceed a given rpm.
Or here’s a novel idea! Let’s design adjustable engine performance settings (timing, boost, rpm, A/F, etc.) so power output could be dynamically controlled to desired levels! … Oops, they’ve been doing that for decades, haven’t they …
@@Maenfy Race tracks don't allow engines to be at full power 100% of the time (corners exist). Also, companies run their engines on dynos to assure they will meet engineering requirements, including hour after hour at full power. BoP was not created to address engine durability concerns, but as an attempt to equalize performance of different vehicles in the same class.
@@rlsedition I never wrote that BoP was introduced to increase engine durability, I just made an example that even non BoP classes don't run their engines at 100%.
i find it weird because bmw with strong drivers still qualified well off the pace of other manufacturers but still had a strong race finish in the pro class i just think both them were in fear of getting lower bop by driving at their true speed
It wasn't that BMW or Ferrari sandbagged testing so much as it was other teams sandbagging the race as soon as they were not competitive for a podium. With the new BOP system, if a team have technical issues one race that takes them off the podium, it benefits the manufacturer to sandbag the rest of the race because they can get a BOP advantage for the next one
Did they JUST take a whole month to think about doing that!?
That is some convoluted BS
First of all, what are the parameters? How do they determine them? If it`s sand bagging on lap times during qualifying or during testing how do you know? Is it dyno numbers compared to weight?I hope they have better measuring of performance than lap times because that would be like giving lesser drivers a handicap advantage. If they want to make the cars even, but not the drivers, horse power to weight ratio has to be a big conclusion.Maybe a skid pad test? air/fuel ratio should all be tested the same you would think. A better driver with a lesser car can be better than the other way around but that`s just plain old racing.
Lance willsey should be busted too for causing to many full course yellows
No, according to BoP regulations, the rest of the competitors are penalized for NOT CAUSING ENOUGH full course yellows.
We need more info than this to understand what happened with this new BoP rules, I don’t think BMW or Ferrari are feeling the need to “cheat” considering how fast are the M4 and the 296 across all GT3 championships…
Ok, Boss.
Dang when are these series gonna get out the way they hold back the evolving nature of racing with so many rules just to keep it fair is there a gt2/3 unlimited class
It was fun to watch the Ferrari in the Infield section that car was beyond dominant
Being dominant is illegal, now …
I think it's a damn joke. How many penalties were handed out over the race weekend?
They just cant help themselves, they're the series with the mostest points and now the mostest
penalties a well. I've been to every big race a Mosport since '04 and I think I'll pass this year.
The 20min yellows, the races ruined by STUPID pitlane penalties, and the Prototypes not being
there has done it for me. IMSA is sitting on a gold mine and they're squandering it.
They needed to be DQ-d. Ferrari cheated and they kept the win. The car was one second quicker than everybody else. I thought back then that there is someting wrong with the BoP.
Ferrari didn't cheat IMSA. IMSA cheated them.
then redbull is cheating in formula 1
@@Malick-ix9ioOk, Boss.
@@Malick-ix9io people seems to forget last year less than ideal Bop for the 296... and they want a 499p Hypercar to join IMSA?? yeah right .
Ferrari "cheated" by going too fast??? Hahahahaa do you even realize what you're blabbering here? This is racing ffs! Fastest car wins, period! You're probably just crying only because Ferrari beat your favorite 'murican Chevy or ford in the race lol. Deal with it.
Also lamborghini ? Refueling speed advantage. Also Peak turbo boost spike penalty back then.
I think what happened is the manufactures are the ones that give the teams the parameters that they can tune the car based on BOP agreement. Most likely the teams were given wrong data by the manufacturer thus the team tuned the car around the wrong data. And of course every team is going to try and win so they take it to the limit based on BOP agreement.
If I was a driver that got signed to a team(a driver who has no say in the shenanigans of the manufacturer) I think if I was punished for other people wrong doing I would be upset as it was the rule makers who failed to properly determine the performance of the car…
While it is unfair to some teams, I don't think you can penalize a team or driver for the manufacturer's/IMSA's BoP issues. A team and driver's job is to go out and drive the car to the best of their ability. Not sure how you could penalize a team for doing exactly that. They didn't make the BoP -- what should they do, mid race say "now we see our car is too fast -- we'll instruct our drivers to all drive slower for the rest of the race."
Welp I guess when manufacturers have too much control over the BoP, this sort of thing will happen. They shouldn't be allowed to keep their wins, in my opinion. Otherwise manufacturers will continue to bend these rules in their favor. Seems like IMSA went down the middle with their penalties.
$25,000 is just pennies to Ferrari and BMW. Honestly, the penalties should have been 6 figures...
Does IMSA restrict ECU software updates after BoP is set? This is confusing either they told the teams to sandbag, which i thought IMSA was always monitoring, or they changed software tune. I don't see IMSA tech missing other things with their magic laser wands and microscopes etc
I'm not sure! I think there are software updates that are allowed but I'd have to dig deeper to see if that's true
This really needs to stop from IMSA. This is undermining the sporting integrity of the sport and for all the teams that are following the rules, one can only wonder wonder how long they will tolerate it. We don't need this type of new repeatedly occurring during what is shaping into the start of the second golden age of sportscar endurance racing.
They do need to get this sorted out and get it sorted fast. We can't be talking about this on a regular basis like we have the last couple of years
I wish you would’ve explained more about how BOP is done. Why do the manufacturers have any say in the BoP? Just make the fastest cars you can and then have IMSA detune them to be nearly identical in performance.
Trust me I looked high and low to try and get more detailed information on how it is done, there's very little out there about the new BOP process. You're last sentence there is exactly how this is supposed to work but that means that all of the teams need to run at their true fastest pace in order for it to work. It's unclear whether there were games played at the preseason testing or what happened that got us to this point, I wish they would have released just a bit more information
@@offintheesses Huh, weird. I wonder why they’re playing so close to the chest.
@@samdajellybeenie14 Unfortunately they usually don't release much information when stuff like this happens, just whatever is on the bulletin. Your guess is as good as mine as to why they don't give a bit more detail!
BoP in auto racing is very much like the “no-kid-left-behind” philosophy adopted by the US public education system.
They take the dumbest kid in the class, and slow the rest of the kids in the class down to dummy’s learning pace.
@@samdajellybeenie14The basics is each new car or EVO is dyno and aero tested, track data is broken down into power or mass sensitive sectors. Power is balanced with a restricter plate for na or boost table changes for fi. Mass is balanced by adding mass to the nearest 5kg incriminate, changing aerodynamic properties or adjustments, changing chassis settings or applying chassis limitations. Fuel capacity is based on fuel consumption and gets changed based on power balances to keep it as equal as possible between all cars.
If you want the more in depth version it's in the imsa weathertech sportscar championship 2024 sporting regulations attachment 2
I really dont like the rules for automotive equivalency. I just want to see who can build the best car, idc about the drivers
"Competitive equivalency"
How in this world are people signing in on completely absurd stuff like this?
There are so many wrong stuff with this approach that I don't even know where to start.
But it's half way to let the decision about who can and who can't win somewhere out of the race track.
I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather keep the win, the watches and the glory over "points".
Bit of a joke.
Here we go again ! I’m 78 years old and have enjoyed all sorts of motor sports over the years. I and my brothers and our friends for many years used to love to support and participate in NHRA drag racing until it became overly controlled and ruined by the implementation of bracket racing and the suppression of all out competition. We also followed and supported NASCAR until they became overly controlling making the field slow down to the slowest average competitors thereby making the racing mind numbingly boring. Now we have what is euphemistically called “BOP” by IMSA, who coincidentally is owned by the folks at NASCAR, working hard to do the same to sports car racing. In an attempt to sell more TV coverage thereby gaining advertising revenue they will sacrifice the integrity of the sport and offer boring mediocrity.
IMSA doesn't even know exactly what their own rules are, then how are the teams supposed to know? That penalty is just a bunch of BS. The speed of the car can change significantly during the race depending on many different factors. Obviously Ferrari and BMW weren't going that much above the projected lap times, otherwise they would've been disqualified completely. The parameters by which IMSA is measuring the pace are dubious at best.
BOP is complete cancer! If you really want equivalent performance just race identical cars.
Well many people don't want to see spec series though. Imagine 20 Mercs racing around instead of Ford, Corvette, Aston, McLaren, Porsche, Ferrari, Acura, BMW, etc. It's not quite the same thing.
@@Maenfy BoP racing is just another fantasy based, participation-trophy style event …
@@Clyde-2055 I mean it works though. We also don't really have another system.
you probably had not heard or seen about sro, that where good bop is done
Equality of outcomes in ALL race sanctioning bodies is why I don’t care to watch racing these days.
Boo hoo. A win is a win. Ask BMW.and Porsche. No worn skid plate this time.
Renault has crashgate, VW had dieselgate, and now Ferrari has BoPgate …
I get what's going on and why but to the casual observer? It's a race you went too fast you lose. It's very confusing.
Ford and Chevy brought new cars / or brought back cars, they were watched and penalized for performance ... Now this. ISMA doesn't give a shit. They don't want Ferrari or BMW to walk. JMO
5:47 hate to say it but here you are wrong. Most actually pay more attention to the factory than the driver. Drivers change a lot, brands don't
Completely unrelated but it’s funny how 2 manufacturers fines for cheating is the equivalent of the fine Max got for touching another car
Does the BOP account for weather and track conditions? The weather on race day was different than that on the test days. How can anyone predict and account for all weather conditions? Maybe those cars were better in conditions with xx air temperatures and xx track temperatures>
And what about things like rain? Does IMSA have a BOP for rain races? And if they do, are they going to stop race and BOP the cars again so "they are equal?". Of course not.
So, in 2025, if there are eight hours of rain in next year's race and the Ferraris happen to lap the GT field because aerodynamically they are better on the rain tires? Is IMSA going to disqualify them because they had an "unfair advantage" or "performed outside the performance window"?
This whole thing is ridiculous.
In the NWO (New World Order), being the best that you can be is illegal.
You still haven’t figured that out?
As a BMW fan, we had good pace. But the Ferrari's were in a league of their own. Interesting to see how the next several races will play out for those two manufacturers.
So long as you still win . . . you're practically obligated to cheat! The point of racing is winning, after all. (This is nothing new. Richard Petty's 200th win was handled the same way.)
BoP means we never know who's really faster.
BoP should stand for Bullsh*t Opportunities for subPar competitors
And I don't understand how can these rules "...enable each Manufacturer an opportunity to compete with and market the automotive architecture that is representative of their brand."
So, Ferrari and BMW were too fast ...and by being slower they will better represent the architecture of their brand?
Really???
What is the IQ of the people writing this stuff?
So they got caught Sandbagging, makes sense to not remove the team's wins if the manufacturer is the one to blame. Still interesting that a manufacturer working group is still subject to this kind of chicanery.
So what is going on with the porsche GT cars seem there not as many 911s.
There were slated to be some more on the grid this year but a couple withdrew due to not finding full season driver lineups! Porsche have struggled with parts shortages this past year which may have a slight influence on it but there were still 5 on the grid this year which isn't bad!
@@offintheesses thank you
Ive seen a car one day be S H I T the next day unbeatable, so a test at some other time is no determination of how a car will run in a race.
It is if you’re IMSA …
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying hard enough
What about Porsche exceeding power limits during the entire race, which IMSA knew about?
Ok so exactly what rule was breached? Different manufacturers, different engine, different budgets, etc, etc. Like this wouldn't happen! Hell yah some teams are sand bagging. Why wouldn't they, look at what is at stake.
I hate this 'modern' ideas going into competition (or anywhere else in society).
. "I'm sorry, you're too fast! ...we need to give a chance to the slower teams".
What messed up world we live in. It's seems more and more people is getting dumber and stupid.
We should congratulate and praise the best, not penalized them. By helping the slowest, the less competitive, we're effectively promoting mediocracy.
I don't understand why these teams remain competing with rules that favor / promote the weakest.
So they got penalized cause they were too fast but didnt break any rules? Euro racing is so fucking braindead
The real crime isn’t what IMSA is doing, as the premise of their business model is to provide WWE-styled (orchestrated) entertainment events.
The travesty is that this fantasy-land fake “racing” is being employed at the once time-honored, purist contest of automotive engineering and manufacture, The LeMans 24 Hour.
Every manufacturer sets a said pace for their customer teams, everybody sandbags to gain the best bop possible. It is a unspoken game that everybody plays. I believed in a nutshell, IMSA determined BMW and Ferrari showed a significantly faster pace during the race than they were at the ROAR, enough so for them to issue this
Just my take, but the background music is distracting.
All of these rules are BS.
So shouldn't a team that came in, say 7th in class, but there were (for argument's sake) 2 'cheating' Ferraris & 1 'cheating' BMW ahead of them.. shouldn't that team then get the POINTS for 4th place instead of points for 7th place?
If they made the decision to penalize the teams or drivers in this ruling then yes it would have played out this way. The only points that were affected are the manufacturers championship points where both manufacturers lost all of their points. The teams and drivers championships are not affected
This makes Bop Pointless IMO
Beat to the line by 3 Ferrari’s… 😐
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BOP sucks. Nothing but boring nose to tail racing. Some like it. I don’t.
Yeah man these close gaps are annoying. I would much rather have a car win by 10 laps.
@@Maenfy I prefer real racing based on real performance not altered performance for a fan show.
😂😂 Ford and Chevy came out with great performance to beat BMW and Ferrari again. So they got scared only because Ford keeps shutting them down and now Chevy who had stolen design Vette also was about to shut them down. Vette looks like a Ferrari and A Ford GT had sex and Vette came out. 😂😂. Either way Vette is fast finally and could beat them both.
I’m out going to Indy Car and NHRA
Tired of the stupid rules… sounds like F1 💩
BOP is a joke
All of the cars participating in the IMSA series are designed & engineered with BoP in mind. The cars dont display their full potential knowing that if they show their true performance the harsher the BoP will be. Its like a poker game. Perhaps it would be better to just remove BoP ? But thats opening another can of worms .
Well if you remove BoP one car would clearly be the strongest so every team would use it. This would lead to a development battle which isn't good for teams or manufacturers.
BoP regs are a load of crap.
They are the equivalent of making the fastest competitors in track events wear ankle weights so that their on-track performance will be “within a targeted performance window - allowing for competitive equivalency”.
This just in: Noah Lyles will be required to wear 225 gram ankle weights in the 100 meter events, and 180 gram ankle weights in the 200 meter events at the 2024 Paris Olympics this summer.
These restrictions are subject to adjustment contingent upon Mr. Lyles’ performance in any legitimately-sanctioned events leading up to the 2024 games.
😂😂
Yeah well how else would you do it?
As much as I love multi manufactures racing, BOP is a joke. The only true BOP is single make racing lets be honest ^_^"
I thought bop was decided with independent drivers testing the cars for imsa?
No.
No, that's what SRO does for all GTWC and related championships.
NOT a fan of BoP - even on GT7!😊
its terrible on gt7 , half the cars are not even usable
yeah imsa, when your corvette and ford mustang didn't win, you go all out.
The way tnis video was structured to keep viewer watchtime retention made it so painful to watch. And it was only a 6min video.. just get to the point and then follow up for the rest of the video. Returning viewers are much more important than viewer watchtime
The plainfield is rigged once again, kinda a bummer