Is it ALL HYPE or do we ACTUALLY NEED THESE?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- What's the difference between a photography lens and a cine lens? Is it worth getting an affordable cinema lens, or can you get by with your standard photography lenses for video? This video will help you make your decision...
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Do you want to start using cine lenses? If so, which ones do you like the look of?
I started of with the Rokinon series since there are affordable and decent. I got the 85mm and the16mm for the most common shots with my BMPCC 4K. I'll like to get the whole set eventually.
A full set of cine lenses 😍🎥
@@SamHolland Of course, then i will be a seasoned pro no matter what camera i use or how i frame or how well i compose a shot. My Pelican case full of lenses will take care of everything. Im not sure if i will even need to push the record button. Clients will just throw money at me.
The breathing kills that it for me - I have FB compensation on one of my lens and on the other it's just great. I think if I go for Cine lens I will go for DZO or Meike
Stay tuned for a DZO lens review 🤩🎥
I really like manual focusing with a cine lens but since swapping to sony i’ve learned that as a solo operator you can just get so much more done with competent autofocus.
I love your creative entertaining videos bro !! It makes learning about gear a joy. Keep them coming. Thanks 🙂
Thank you. I’m so pleased you enjoy the videos 🤩🙏🏻🎥 and they’re helping
I've never seen a camera/lens video on TH-cam quite like this before! You're an innovator Sam! Great work!
😂 thanks brother!!! 🤩🙏🏻🎥
Thanks man...not sure how i missed this video in your playlist.
A "cine lens" from the likes of 7Artisans is just a re-housed photo lens. The lens you reviewed is most likely the same optics as their $75 USD 50mm f/1.8 (T2) that also has 12 diaphragm blades. You're basically just paying extra for the body that has a longer focus throw and gearing. Optics are identical to the $75 version, they couldn't even fix the focus breathing which is a staple of cine lenses.
The vision series of Lenses, 50mm in this video, are actually rehoused versions of the f/0.95 lenses for the apsc/super 35 sensor, they round out to T1.05. The did just release a new set called the spectrum series, which is for full frame sensors and uses a completely different optical formula and are T2. However they may just be rehouse versions of their full frame f/1.05 lens set, at least the 50mm might be. The full frame 50mm at f1.8 would be around T2 to T2.1 when converted over (I may be wrong). So the T1.05 would actually give you about an extra stop of light at the cost of depth of field.
@@dunce33 The one he reviews in this video is the Spectrum 50mm T2 (f/1.8). But, 7Artisans definitely didn't invent new optics for any of their "cine" lenses. They use the same formula as Rokinon -- rehousing the same glass in different bodies (perhaps sometimes with different coatings) -- but in the end, you will have the same image as the cheapest version.
@@katlis I dont see the issue here, they are slightly more expensive than than their photography counterparts, obviously because ghe housing is more expensive and lower volume series. They are cool if you want something fast with character and not the super corrected perfect look. There is definitely a space for them.
@@johnnyweissmuller5838 I was just saying that this fellow, who made a video about the difference of cine lenses "IS IT ALL HYPE?!" wasn't actually using a "cine lens." He was reviewing a $75 lens that was simply re-housed with gearing. Sure, many lens manufacturers repurpose the same glass/optics in different bodies, but on the "cinema" level, there's a lot more work involved in correcting chromatic aberration, focus breathing, etc. There's a reason most "cinema" lenses go for $20,000+
@@katlis You are both right and a little wrong, the canon fds were basicaly just reshoused as the k35s cinema lenses. Sigma also rehouses the 18-35 f1.8 as a cinema lens, tokina as well. Angineux did this too back in the day. Its not a rule that says a rehoused photography lens is not a ”true” cinema lens. The characteristics you listed are modern improvements to perfect the image and matching between sets. Its a convenience or look that some wants. In your logic, anamorphic lenses are not ”true” cine lenses, because they focus breathe like crazy, distort the image heavily and flares like there is no coating.
You nailed that one breath intro and loved the mini me - 6 cm always makes a difference and the end bit of the mini me catching the lens smooth as pie !
😂😂😂 thank you brother! It took long enough 😂👏🏻 thanks for watching smooth as pie! 🥧
@@SamHolland Worth the time and effort Blue
You are hillarious and great explaining, keep them coming :)
top notch, sir. happy to report that i hit 'subscribe' within a few moments of this video, purely on the basis of your presenting style. hats off to you. i'm also very eager to get my hands on some of these spectrums, if anything just to see how the 35, 50 & 85 measure up in terms of colour matching etc.
Thank you so much! Happy to have you here as part of the channel 🤩🙏🏻🎥 let us know why you get them and how they are. Good point about the colour matching. I couldn’t unfortunately get my hands on the whole set
You can set the focus range on the Lumix S lenses in the camera settings. So if you want a 360 degree focus range you can set it. Also remember to set the focus to LINEAR for more accurate manual focusing. And Lumix IBIS works on any manual lens, you just have to set the lens focal length in the camera. ( which means you have to reset it every time you change lenses )
That one-breath description reminded me of Ace Ventura, now I gotta go watch it.
Awesome video!
I use follow focus so I prefer cinema lenses. Manual photographic lenses will do as well. As long as I get manual focusing on a lens I'm happy.
Bravo! That spec read out in one breath… give this man a hand! 👏👏👏
😂🙏🏻 thankd
Maaaaaan your videos are becoming even more amazing and funnier to watch 😂
Great points and review 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Ah thanks brother! 🤩🤩🙏🏻🙏🏻🎥🎥 so pleased you’re enjoying the new style
That was hilarious 😂 I think I preferred the warmer colours from the cine lens. Ahhh, my shopping list just got bigger
😂 the shopping list never ends! … unless you disconnect from the internet and stop watching TH-cam 😛🎥
Loved the video. Personally I think Lumix changed this game a bit with the 1.8 primes. They give almost all sought after characteristics of a Cine lens. Such as, they all have similar color and look, similar weight and size, and with a Lumix camera you can set how far you want your focus throw distance, and it will show you distance markings on the back screen (in feet or meters you pick ) instead of on the lens. No smooth aperture ring though. These 1.8 primes are the most underrated part of the Lumix system. All Lumix needs to do is a add a more capable AF system to aid in social media usage and their market share will explode.
Also these 1.8 panny primes are very affordable ( except the 24mm ). If you want to play Roger Deakins on the weekend, but normally just do social media or interviews, L mount will surprise you!
You’re so right!!! I love how the filter thread size is the same across them all too 👌🏻🎥 well done @lumix
How is it that i barely found your channel!!!!! I so glad i found it. Time to grab some more coffee and watch as many videos as i can amd write down some notes for my self since im a newbie with a Sony A7IV 😅
Thank you 🤩🙏🏻🎥 amazing! Great to have you here!
Your hook got an instant sub from me! Creative and engaging. Great review !
Thank you 🤩🙏🏻 great to have you here! 🎥
Nice review man. I'll stick to my rokinon cine ds. I notice I don't see much about rokinon cine ds as much. They serve my purpose and overall price is not bad on them.
One year later, and I found this very valuable. I use almost exclusively vintage glass (Canon FD: 24, 35, 50) on my S5. Obviously, somewhat tempted by the cheap cines available now. This video helped convince me that I'm fine with what I have. Beyond the longer focus throw and the form factor being the same one to another. So thank you!
Thank YOU 🤩🙏🏻 I’m pleased this video helped 🎥
I was just looking into this, you came in clutch dude ✊😄, I use a Lumix S5 as well
Oh nice! So glad I could help. What are your thoughts?
Yes! Amazing camera! 🤩👌🏻🎥 stay tuned for more S5 content
I like your videos a lot in comparison to other youtubers of the same breed. You do not over use cine effects and spoil the story. Having spent some time in the 60s and 70s as a amateur I so miss the analog days. I have been considering a cine lens simply because of its lack of automation. If folks slow down a little they think about the important things a little more. I wish I could get a three set of primes like I had for my Contaflex with all their imperfections.
Thank you 🤩🙏🏻🎥
I see the influence of naked gun and ace venture parodies in your video. I love it bro.
Haha gotta bring some of your favourite films into your videos haven’t ya 😜 thanks for noticing and watching 🙏🏻🎥🤩
I think a better option than these new budget lenses is to mod vintage lenses. It requires more research and dedication to build a set, but if you’re after unique character and solid manual mechanics, it is by far the best route for an aspiring DP.
I think that’s my next venture 😉🎥📽
@@SamHolland Olympus OM is still a good deal right now!
I'm using Meike cinema lenses on the Pocket 4K. They are superb. Also getting some Canon FD lenses and an adaptor.
For my BM 6k pro I still use a Rokinon-set. I also adapted afull kit of old Pentax Takumar lenses. For my older BM 4k I have a set of Meike lenses, witch are slightly better than Rokinon. For my Panasonic S5, I will stay with Panasonic foto-lenses and mostly AF. This is my travel and outdoor cam.
Oooo always wanted to try those!! 🤩🎥
I'm obsessed the cine lens😭😭
Hollywood Black Magic filter perhaps 1/4 and try again with a short test perhaps inside with haze and neon tubes anamorphic lenses.. super
I recently got BMPCC 4k as I have a lot of 4/3 lenses, I got a Meike 16mm (32mm equiv) because I prefer around 35mm as a standard lens and the M4/3 version is so tiny it's hard to use with follow focus either on gimbal or attached to the cage. I love the look and feel and might be tempted if I ever make enough money to get the 35 (70mm equiv) in the future.
That’s cool! 🤩 let us know when you do 🎥
@@SamHolland you will be an old man by then and all the films will be AI-generated!
😂😂😂👏🏻
yeah i picked up a Meike 35mm FF T2.1 cine and really like shooting with it. i've used it on my S5 and the BMPCC 6k g2 and that lens just really compliments both of those cameras really well. i think the main thing i really like apart from the image and the usual stuff is that super long throw focus. i didn't realize how helpful that really is for manual focus!
Oooo I always wanted to try the Meike’s. You’re so right. It helps so much with being precise when manual focusing 🤩🎥🙏🏻
can you explain the meaning of *T* in the lens aperture value?
Sure… usually the amount of light that hits the sensor is measured in fstops (eg f1.8 etc) but that only takes into account the size of the aperture. There are many glass elements in a lens with coatings on which actually affect the light getting through so T stops account for all those elements and gives you a more accurate measurement.
@@SamHolland thanks for the explanation sam.
I hope that helps 🙏🏻 there’s a good explanation on potato jets channel with a guy from Arri. Check that out
Great vid! There's, however, autofocus cine lenses now. Check out: Samyang/Rokinon V-AF series. Thx
just love those lenses! :)
Not bad eh 🤩🎥
1:50 fun fact is that the Lumix although being sharper you got better sharpness on the cine lens than relying on AF
The one breath was awsome and something new
😂 haha thank you! 🙏🏻
Loved this video! I do find it funny how TH-cam makes gear channels think they need to go really granular with stuff. Like the obsession with bokeh. I rewatched Oceans Eleven last night and the bokeh is octagonal! That would get crucified on TH-cam lol!
Gotta mention the linear focus settings on S5. Otherwise the lumix would be useless with the gears.
Hey Sam, thank you so much for your video. It gave me great information for my lens choices.
Which diameter of the focus gear rings do you use for the Panasonic primes?
Hi. Thank you for watching. I’m pleased they help. I have the 67mm threads on the S series primes 🎥
@@SamHolland perfect - thank you!
Hey can you balance your 24-105 lens in weebil s gimball without eyepiece hitting on motor?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pls answer, I am buying next month
1:00 I’m about to start sending this to people who ask me the difference that was awesome haha
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Hi Sam what the handle support arm you're using with the gimbal at 5:30-5:36 on one wheel?
hi Sam - where did you buy the 7artisans from ???? - i've just started to look for uk dealers and to be honest the ones that supply don't look very well established ?????
buddy!wow-ebst editing. :))
What Gear Teeth size do you recommend for the prime panasonic 50mm 1.8 lens?
I’m shooting with a Lumix S5 and this year I’ve decided not tu upgrade to the new model ( next year I’ll probably get the x ) but to invest on Cine Lenses. I’m struggling to decide between the set of 7artisans ( 35 50 85 ) or only one DZOfilm 35mm. Any suggestions 😅
I had in minds the Meike 35mm but for that price I’d rather go DZOfilm
What you guys think ? I can’t really find any comparison videos.
DZO will be a lot nicer but more expensive
Pure honesty!
Can I have great success using this 7artisans 50mm T2.0 Cine Lens Full Frame on R10 canon for cine films?
I have a Canon 200D ii (Rebel SL2)... Is it possible to use 7Artisans 50 MM T1.05 with adapter? will it be useful? Thanks in advance...
Hey Sam!
Great Video, I was exactly thinking about these two lenses...Prime Pana or cheap cine...Meike 2.1 T are probably superior...
But a gear on my Meike photo 1.2f 50mm it was really not bad but not what I had in mind...and wide open almost impossible to focus because it was so shallow...but starting of f1.6 more doable.
Anyway I have for my MFT BMPCC4K the trio of T1.0 Zhonghiye Speedmaster which are really good even wide open but nothing for L mount
So I was thinking about the 7artisans FF for S5 but I will wait a little...still on edge maybe TT artisans will have a new line...
Yours
Fil
Thanks Filip. Let us know what happens 🤩🎥
@@SamHolland What happened is that the photo lens with rubbered added gears are harder to control with automated focus pull (tilta ) on Gimbal because of the short focus way or if focus and for fly-by-wire system I have trouble to put begging and end of focus and to program it.
For manual cine lens no problem at all.
So for automated pulling system the cine lens are better.
For hybrid of if you shoot with small rig manual pool focus probably the S5 line of prime are better.
Yours
Fil
man your videos are binge worthy
used cine lens their expensive but T stops give u different aesthetics more afraid of dropping them sometimes.
I really need to hear the part you said in one breath, about what cine lenses and how they differ from photography lenses. Wish you had just said that normally, I cannot understand the way you said it and that is disappointing that I have to do more research when the answer was in this video
Nice video. Is the follow focus control with the front wheel of gimbal perfect and dependable? I mean, when compared with a manual focus pulling gear like your Tilta.
I noticed that when using DJI RS2's front dial, S5 went to the pip focus assistant mode. Can you switch it off?
Hi. You can either have it PIP or full screen but that’s only on the preview, when you press record, it switches off. I don’t like it either 😂
But yes I really like the DJI wheel for focusing. Love it! It just doesn’t have as much range with your finger as a follow focus system does. But you can adjust the speed and sensitivity. It’s very versatile.
Thank you. I do not own a gimbal, but tried it once. I also felt that the preview is really annoying when I checked. But manual focus pulling with gimbal was something which I was looking forward to, as the autofocus is slightly unpredictable at times.
Totally! 👌🏻🎥
Nice work on your intro mate. Actually made me laugh!
Haha good! Thank you for watching 🤩🙏🏻🎥
is it available for MFT camera sensor?
Do you think it is necessary to have a cine lens?
I think they do other versions on the website. And I know other brands do MFT versions.
I will be trying some other cine lenses in the future and I’ll make the full switch to my favourite. They are so good for manual focus 🤩👌🏻🎥 hope this helps
You should compare the 7artisans Cine lens with the 7artisans photo lens with the same focal lenght.
Good jdea
Can’t get these lenses in the UK, the link you posted are for apsc cameras only.
Hi Chloe. Did it take you to Amazon? They should have updated the link but I can check it tomorrow. Let me know 🙏🏻🎥
The cine lens look ways better for cinema of course.
The photo lens isn’t doing as good with the highlights, the coating of the cine lens definitely help.
The only advantage to the really cheap entry level Cinema glass like you have here is if you have a set of it so that it's quick to swap between lenses while being able to line up your follow focus and other things. If you want Cinema glass to make your project better it's only the last 10% and it's going to be expensive. You'd be better off picking up some vintage lenses or getting like a couple super high quality zoom lenses that will make you more Nimble as you shoot. So in the end unless you buy an entire set of these El Cheapo Cinema lenses just steer clear
Wonderful!
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Did you test an L mount version of this Cine lens or a Sony E mount? The link you provided is for an E mount version, but you reference using a Panasonic S5. I don't see an L mount version of their Cine lens on the 7artisan website.
Sorry, I just found it under Cine lenses on the 7artisan website. I was looking at full frame L lenses. The Cine lens you reference is APS-C
Thanks for letting me know. I need to update it. The lens only became available Monday so I think they’re still figuring out all the links. Thank you 🙏🏻🎥
That cine lens looks a lot sweeter, can’t but my finger on why
The "affordable cinema lens" is the gateway drug. The next step is the cine lens with minimal focus breathing. The step after that is the set, where consistent size, T-stops, and optical characteristics allow a more seamless change in focal length.
Because this is the path, I may reduce how much video I do, concentrate on photos, and stay off that road! 🤣
Cinema lenses are like trucks out in the field. Being on set is like being at war chasing the light. Time is money 💰
Didn't talk much on breathing - do you think Cine lenses shouldnt breathe? Like does the Sigma Cine 50-100 breathe too much? I'm finding it hard to use in Cinema or Narrative Environments because of the breathing although it is a really Fast and Sharp Lens with Cine housing.
Hey Bradley. To find a lens that has minimal to no focus breathing costs a fortune. I don’t think we’ll see quality lenses with that for this price because otherwise it would negate all the big boys in the game.
Of course I need it, on my way to the oscars.
skin tone is way nicer on the cine lense in that comparison shot..
I don't find that lens have that much effect on skin tones. But even if they did, its subtle and the easiest element to correct in post.
35mm t1.05 its contrasted and colours are better
Hi Sam,
Thanks for this video! I might be doing things wrong... Like you I have the tilta ring + a lumix S lens (50 1.8) and each time I tried to use the focus motor on the rs3, it's as if the motor is too powerful and move the lens and ring away, so the focus motor is spinning in the air. Do you have any tips?
Hi. All I can think of is, is it tightened up properly? Is that why it’s coming away from the lens? And are you using the geared teeth?
Thanks for watching 🤩🙏🏻🎥
@@SamHolland Hi Sam and thanks for having taken the time. So no I am not using the geared teeth, I am using the tilta focus ring I bought for all my lenses. I tried on my Helios 44-2 but yes it’s definitely the motor that seems to be pushed away from the lens. And yes I am pretty sure it’s tightened however when I get back to the focus motor, it’s as if it was not -> sometimes it unscrew even the focus motor plate your install on the camera 🥹
@@SamHolland i know I can use focus through wire with Lumix lenses but I wanted to use the focus motor for no delay and accurate manual focus. The Helios 44-2 was to be used with the LiDAR, it got calibrated but after few spin the focus motor is not « connected » to the geared teeth
That sounds strange! 🤔 maybe there’s an issue with it? Can you ask them? 🙏🏻🎥
@@SamHolland yes i think I will ask them how to fix this. Thanks again, really appreciated 🙏🏽🙌🏽
Yes, cine lenses make a difference. That's not to say you can't get great images from a standard lens, but a cine lens is designed for smooth focus pulls with minimal breathing. If you have a real cinema camera, the differences between lenses becomes easily noticeable. At the lower end, such as using hybrid mirrorless cameras, the regular still lens may be good enough for a lot of people. Shooting two movies on a Sony F55 (which is a cinema camera with a global shutter) I was shocked to see how much better high-end Hawk primes were vs. pretty much everything else. Even a high end Sony prime could not compete.
It all depends on the content and your audience. In reality, 90% don't require anywhere near that quality.
You got a like and comment because of the one breathe covering of it all lol
😂 thank you! 🙏🏻🎥 worth it
If you want unique, a good affordable alternative is vintage lenses. They have looks that you won't see in modern lenses.
That's the equivalent of comparing an UHD audio recording to vinyl: an interesting different, but not really competitive.
There is a caveat with this particular comparison in that the cine lens was budget. A more higher-quality cine lens would have netted a bigger difference in the results. Even though you did point that out, a couple of the most important reasons for choosing a cine lens was the fringing and mechanical workmanship, which were understated.
In fact, fringing and lens breathing are two of the most important factors in choosing a cine lens. That means the lens has to be manufactured to much higher precision standards. One reason for the measured T-stops as opposed to the calculation based F-stop.
Since video (unlike still photography) is a motion based medium, those fine and subtle movements most youtube content providers would take for granted, are the critical separation between a videographer's review and a cinematic theatrical presentation.
Take the stop/start of a zoom, for example: The photo lens would be more abrupt and jerky, while the cine lens would be so buttery smooth the movement is virtually undetectable. Creating these emotional expressions and responses are merely a few of the seemingly inconsequential things, that make a huge difference in the quality of work in cinematic content.
Not really interested in cine lenses but I'm enjoying your content at the moment regardless. Peeps?
Thank you Ed 🤩🙏🏻🎥 haha (people)
Those cine budget lens makes your camera look more expensive.
great but ... you're forgot important thing. F-stop vs T-stop!
I did say that 😜
And it's not that important ...especially when you know the difference.
I watch this first 🤣
🤩👌🏻 thank you for tuning in!!!! 🙏🏻🎥
You can get by
funny
A real cine lens like the Arri's signature primes is by far higher quality in all aspects than photography lenses and the cine lenses use manual focus because the glass is much heavier also to give a full control to the movie director . To learn more about cine lenses You can watch the interview of potato jet with Art Adms who works at Arri th-cam.com/video/q1n2DR6H7mk/w-d-xo.html
these tilta bands are completely awful. I don't recommend!
Why?
@@SamHolland it doesn't work with tilta's follow focus. skips the track all the time!
That’s strange. It’s the standard size. I haven’t had any issues so far. Maybe you could leave a review on Amazon 🙏🏻🎥
@@htvrs If they skip you probably have it tightened too much. As in the gears on the follow focus are too tight/too close to the tilta band gears. It's not supposed to be all the way in if you get my meaning. This is true for gears in an appliance using any kind of gear system.