Codex T'au Empire 10th Edition - Full Rules Review
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- Let's talk through the new Tau and kroot rules with an overview of Codex:T'au Empire in 10th Edition Warhammer 40K...
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0:00 Intro
1:01 Contents
3:03 For the Greater Good
5:01 Detachments
7:21 Retaliation Cadre
8:55 Retaliation Cadre Stratagems
14:08 Retaliation Cadre Enhancements
17:24 Mont'ka Detachment
19:30 Mont'ka Stratagems
23:57 Mont'ka Enhancements
26:24 Kroot Hunting Pack
28:28 Kroot Stratagems
33:45 Kroot Enhancements
37:37 Kauyon Detachment
39:30 Kauyon Stratagems
43:37 Kauyon Enhancements
46:51 Detachment Thoughts
47:35 Datasheets Gained and Lost
51:49 Tau Datasheet Themes
53:33 Crisis Battlesuits
58:55 Kroot Units
1:06:59 Kroot Chaarcters
1:13:42 Major Datasheet Changes
1:14:41 Drones
1:16:00 Infantry Units
1:19:15 Other Battlesuit Units
1:24:25 Vehicle Units
1:30:39 Vespid
1:31:32 Fortifications
1:33:32 Battlesuit Commanders
1:37:49 Infantry Characters
1:41:00 Overall Thoughts
1:43:45 Outro - เกม
UPDATES + CORRECTIONS:
- Vespids, Firesight Team and Pathfinders all CONFIRMED UNCHANGED. For The Greater Good has the EXACT SAME TEXT as the Index version.
- Farsight got bumped up to eight wounds now from six (he's got a lot more durable between that and the 2+ save).
- As per the balance dataslate rules that allow you to repeat a stratagem only work on Battlr Tactic stratagems (so no multiple jump shoot jump for the Puretide Chip). I forgot that there was that additional section beyong the 'modify stratagem cost' section.
Just wanted to ask if the crisis team being able to shoot then move twice was correct as I thought it was only applicable on battle tactics?
Had a look there at the FAQ it can't be used twice after the CP cost modifier it goes and states the same thing for repeat strat usages
So basically GW wants people to stop playing with Crisis suits.
@@liamstewart3060 Ah good point, sorry I forgot about that part of it! I'll add that to the pinned correction and have deleted my last comment to avoid confusing people. Thanks for the heads up!
the strike teams weapons are the same, no changes.
Removing Aun'shi in the same codex they add a Kroot detachment is just bonkers to me. He could've been a fantastic glue between Kroot and main Tau
You can still Legends rules him into a carnivore squad, so...
Bruh even 99% casual players still play on tournament rules nobody uses legends stuff
i just bought an aun shi at a flee market...ughhhhhh
@@MrShukaku1991 that's assuming the data sheet doesn't change to prevent him from doing that.
for sure, i liked him... would've needed a bit more lore as a diplomat, though and he did get a bit of a bad rep in the shovah books. That being said, they should just let him die. man is already far beyond normal age for a tau anyway. either that or make o'vesa's juvenat treatments more common
Anybody else remember when 10th was first getting drip fed to us and on the topic of the new Battleline stuff they brought up how some detachments will change which units get the Battleline keyword and so far we’ve had… two? detachments that actually do that?
I remember my local gw manager telling me that lictors and genestealers were gonna get battleline in vanguard so you could bring 6 sets of each to build an army around lmao
Or how sub faction rules like chapter tactics wouldn’t go away? My iron hands sure are happy to have 1 gravis unit with a feel no pain. Just playing iron hand templars for the moment.
You know, I think that was supposed to be something that came over from AOS, but I also hear that is also a problem in AOS.
So battleline/troops exist to make sure you are playing Chaff. Because without it, you basically have no reason to.
However in AOS, there are too many ways to give good units that are not chaff Battleline.
So I think we are seeing that they are trying to be more selective on who gets what with these 40k Detachments
Battle line just doesn’t really matter as much to most armies realistically
@@notknightbeanI love losing battleline on all my phobos units and then having nothing in Vg Spearhead bring em back up
I miss the Eight 😞
Yeah, the good old times when there were Iridium Battlesuit and others....
I miss the fusion blades
Everyone seems to have lost something. One could be forgiven for thinking this game is worse now. What have we gained in return? Balance? Faster games? I don't understand it.
Balance/ Faster Games is debatable - is it actually any more streamlined or have all the customisation options to make your army just been gutted out?
@@urOSSIMthe latter
Overal thoughts, seems decently balanced at least.
- Some good things here :being the buffs to Farsight, Stealthsuits are almost as good as Tetra's now, Sky Rays just nuke vehicles now. Feels good. Ghostkeel is unchanged.
- Some things I don't like as much: The crisis suit changes are annoying, but powerlevel-wise are still very playable (espescially the flamer and fusion variants). Longstrike being gone. There not being a tank force or stealth army detachment.
Controversial take: I'm glad I'm no longer forced to spam CIB as the only weapon on my Crisis suits.
Me too. And the special rules for each type of crisis suit will change how you play crisis suits, which will be very interesting. Miss shield generators on all crisis suits, though.
i just want points fo weapons. not this powerlevel hidden with points BS
you were never forced to
Too bad it comes at the cost of not being able to construct 2/3 legal units out of 1 box of crisis suits...
I like this new system@@dicedoom7162
I'd honestly trade one of the new Kroot kits for plastic Vespid!
Potential good news - they're rumoured to have a kill team competing with swooping hawks.
@@clemo85 Kill team provides! Once, of course, gw remember we exist and release kill teams for preorder….
@@clemo85Awesome. Now they just need to make kill teams for the 10 other auxiliary races and Tau might be a faction worth collecting
@@teejay1646 they are already worth collecting but they would be the best army if they actually met the multiple race coalition that was promised when they became Tau empire
I misread that as “all of” and was so fucking confused on how someone can have such a hate boner for kroots for a sec 😂 personally I wouldn’t but i get u- shouldn’t be too long maybe latr 10th or a soon kill team release
This man does not sleep
I'm guessing he had the preview early, had this video ready to go, and the leak meant he got permission to drop this early.
HUGE KUDOS though for all his insights and analysis!
He slept like two months ago
Also note Farsight Gained 2+ extra wounds! Makes him a bit more durable
Bad news, Farsight is still garbage
it's to make up for the unit he goes with losing half its size and the extra wounds from shield drones.
I've watched a bunch of videos and reactions to the Tau codex. I feel yours is the best analysis i've seen so far.
Just want to point out that the Krootox auto cannon has a higher strength than the riptide's heavy burst cannon.
What the
@@Pajamas.Tepanek And piranhas have higher toughness than broadsides.
What's with Krootox rifles always being weirdly strong? In DoW they hit harder than a Leman Russ' Cannon.
The kroot actually canonically have better warp engines than the imperium does, they're a pretty technologically advanced race.
They choose to appear the way they do because its part of their traditional culture.
The kroot have comically better weapons on their sniper leader than the captain in phobos armor. I would kill for such a datasheet.
An important feature to note about the Ethereal on Hover Drone is that it gives the unit it attaches to the Fly keyword (meaning anti-fly weapons take effect).
Retaliation Cadre seems like a lot of fun... if you've got the models to make it viable. Looks like it's time to scour the Gunpla shelves at my LGS for counts-as models in my tax bracket.
But seriously, only 3½ detachments kinda hurts. I fear for Genestealer, Ork, and Votann players.
It's weird that they still persist in that wording for the 'free' Stratagem abilities when it's actually only for Battle Tactic strats. Why not just say that on the datacard? Not everyone is online all the time and it's tucked away pretty deeply in the core rules on the app.
Because that's a dataslate rule, so it's theoreticaly only for matched play - more relevant, it's clearly a patch job and something they want to have the option of changing in the future.
This Codex was probably sent to print before 10e launched considering that’s a post-launch Dataslate rule change.
…and if that makes you think “ok, if that’s the case why aren’t the rules entirely digital to make things simpler? Why mess around with printed books shipping with outdated rules?” The answer being…yes.
because it is a temporary rule, if in the future they no longer consider it a problem they will remove that restriction from the balance dataslate and that type of ability will work as written
Do you have the new For the Greater Good wording? As written right now, it wouldn't work with the Mont'Ka Detachment rule, as you can only guide a unit that's eligible to shoot, so if you advance without having someone on the squad with the Assault keyword, they aren't eligible.
I suppose if they don't have a wording update for FTGG in the Codex or following pts clarifications, you'll have to take a gun drone in everything so that SOMETHING on your unit has Assault and can be guided in order to use Mon'Ka's perk if you advanced that unit.
At least you wouldnt have to worry about that keywording for Crisis suits, since you cant double up on drones you can easily just take the gun drone and be okay. Hopefully the wording is different or they just immediately FAQ it
Most units will have a gun drone, so you’re mostly fine tbh.
from people who managed to get the box early, the wording is the same.
I personally believe mont'ka will be errata'd to swap assault and lethal hits around. it makes a lot more sense that way.
@@Reqqles That actually makes a lot of sense. I could see that happening.
I also could see the logic of pushing you to take more gun drones if you're in Mont'Ka because it's supposed to be a hyper-aggro fighting style. And the lethal hits buff allows you to proc more wound saves the more guns you're firing.
@@pstuart17 while I can see the logic of GW cramming gun drones down our throats, it would leave some units out like the riptide and ghostkeel. two units who would massively benefit from having assault on their guns
Hear me out. Retaliation carde full brick of 6 stealth suits with burst cannons. -1 ap 6 strength 12 wounds 4 toughness with stealth and infiltrator. Its like a better cheaper version of breachers and you can spend a command point to give the 24 shots of burst cannons sustained hits 2 against the infantry trying to contest objectives and also fly them around the map after.
Yes I think I will run way more stealths with this codex than crisis, I bet they're cheap enough to do them instead of crisis
love my T5 vehicle with basically no defense, cant wait to gift my enemy all these bring it down points :D
You t5 vehicle have Deep strike.... Hit fast and hit hard and you can win puretide student!!
@@jaimevilacastro4614 yea thank God the move shoot move strat is cheaper. We're gonna need it. Sunforge having the shield generator is helpful against vehicle have armies like Guard too
I could see Pulse Onslaught being useful in a scenario where it holds back an enemy Ork Army's big block of squighog boyz and Nob with Headwoppa's from reaching your vehicles for an extra turn.
Squighogs ignore modifiers to move/advance/charge, so they completely ignore that rule...
This book is great! It's letting me take another few years to paint my Tau before I play them in 11th, and I can buy another HH rulebook because I don't need to buy this one!
Kauyon definitely seems to grant the Observing unit Sustained Hits 2 into the shared Spotted unit.
FTGG:
"Then select one enemy unit that is visible to both your units to be their Spotted unit."
Pathfinder Target Uploaded ability:
"Once per turn, when using the Greater Good ability, you can select this unit to be an Observer unit for a second time. When doing so, you can change which enemy unit is this unit’s Spotted unit."
Kauyon (new):
"From the third battle round onwards, ranged weapons equipped by T'au Empire models from your army have the [Sustained Hits 1] ability, or the [Sustained Hits 2] ability instead while targeting their unit's Spotted unit."
Spotted units are shared by both the Observing and Guided unit which we see in the Pathfinder rule, "their" would mean the Observer gets the benefit too.
The Mont'ka detachment rule "Killing Blow" saying "its ranged weapons have Assault as well", the "as well" part suggests to me they meant it to only be active during regular Mont'ka of rounds 1-3
I think it is worded wrong, wouldn't its intention be for the entire army to have assault weapons in rounds 1,2,3 and lethal hits if it is guided?
If only the rules writer would remember to throw in "In addition,..." to the start of that final clause. That would solve the issue of ambiguous wording."
@@RavenAdventwings or just use bullet points or a proper list, like "During Rounds 1-3, you gain: a) b) and c) " etc
@@leovaegExactly!
They took my Eight Datasheet, my Onager Gauntlet, my Thermoneutronic Projector, my Fusion Blades, my customizations, my free will, and my paint job. Can't have shit in the T'au Empire.
They also took our drones, don't forget that. Those cheeky little flying discs giving out a 4+ invuln with a 4+ FNP save. I miss the days of single drones just shrugging off everything and the frustration from my opponent as I giggle like a schoolboy.
My Commander Sai'Ta'Ma will need to wait until the next edition for his time to shine with his Onagar Gauntlet.
Oh I hear ya I just got my codex today and saw the rules and became enraged at what they did with crisis suits. And you know they only did it to force people to buy more models. Invalidating the majority of peoples already built and painted crisis suits. they should at the very lease allowed them to be in units of 1 to mix and match but no now you need 3 of the same model with the same loadout
Regarding the Mont'ka detachment rule, you did this in your last video as well - I speak for (I think) quite a lot of people when I say that the words 'as well' in the second benefit quite strongly imply it's tied to Rounds 1-3. Which makes sense thematically, too (in 9th Mont'ka quite rigidly applied to Rounds 1-3, with Kauyon 3-5).
on its on rn the montka detachment doesnt work, as a unit without assault cant be selected to shoot in the first place to then gain assault... theres no telling what gw intend when they cant be bothered to write proper rules. i doubt itll be fixed :[
@@Snaek1 nothing to fix imo - it's just a vaguely ambiguous wording that Auspex slightly misread, is all. It's fairly clear what it's intended to mean I think
Why does it say they removed Longstrike as a finecast character model? As far as I know, and as I did when getting him, you build him from the Hammerhead box mainly by just placing his character popped-out of the hatch on the top of the tank. He was such a neat little character, adding much needed variety to the stale character lineup of the T'au index
this is really lacking at least a vehicle detachment
No invulnerable saves or double shield drones on the crisis battlesuits feels bad
Nope, it's Greater Good. The Ethereals say so
Agreed, they're going to be a LOT squishier now, and will require the Retaliation Cadre to be viable as anything but mildly annoying glass cannons.
@@SarajevoKyoto For me the stealths looking now even more interesting than before, will use them more than crisis I guess
@@SarajevoKyotoThe sunforge will be fine (and probably popular) in all detachments. Even with the retaliation cadre starscythe and fireknifes will be very squishy, especially as they have to get very close to the the retaliation cadre buffs.
To be fair, they are also quite a bit cheaper now in points. About 20-30%, depending on the unit. And their special rules makes them more potent in that specialized role for the points invested.
In addition, you can field up to a total of 9 units of Crisis Teams now. This makes your opponent spread their attention and lessen the impact of having a single, expensive unit get focused down.
Seems like a competitive appeasement. I enjoy the buffs to some of the units but they've taken the soul and fun out of Crisis Kits. I feel like removing cib and afp and limiting duplicate weapons wouldve been enough. One of the reasons I loved tau in other editions because of the range of choice in building.
Gw is marketing to the competitive crowd. They did not use the versatility of crisis suits. It was always the same thing.
Yep. I wish GW would stop pandering to them. Like, they're probably less than 5% of all 40k players; yet it seems every change in the game is dictated by their whims.
@@Pemmont107 I think a good solution would be to have a 4th dataslate "Crisis Team", no special rule but 2 weapons, 1 supp sys and 1 extra weapon/supp sys. No more than 2 of one weapon. remove cib and afp options as not in kit. 165 pts. Would allow those who have models glued to transition easier and we sacrifice the rule buff to hobby how we want to hobby.
Every army this edition is being gutted creatively to make room for simplicity.
@@user-sz8lp2tj5xseems to me the easier option there would be improve the sub-optimal options, not remove the favored one. Particularly for a faction that wasn’t even at a 50% win rate.
With little to no synergy, a Skyray might be the unit to join kroot and provide that ummph they sorely need.
A trap well laid is very good with the war shaper, shoot his unit first, and play the strat fpr free and now you entire shootong has and extra ap
Though I typically play tau with a heavy infantry focus. This retaliation cadre is really good for my 2 yvarahas.
Stealth suits have always had jump packs.... Still don't get Deep strike.
Yes but with the ability to put them back in strategic reserves in Kauyon. They can use there infiltrators as if it's deep strike. You can also just deep strike them by just putting them in strategic reserve.
Yes I know not the most ideal, but it can still be done, and since they're 60-120 points it isn't taking up much on your 25% strategic reserve limit.
@@PhillipOnTakosYou can never deepstrike the stealth suits. You can put them into strategic reserve put they have to be deployed near the edge of the board. Still an excellent unit and one that I'll be using.
@@rathstar the infiltrators ability cam be used in strategic reserve they clarified that in the latest balance update
@@PhillipOnTakos Only if it happens as part of a redeployment during the deployment step(before the first turn). For example if you use the Solid Image Projection Unit-enhancement(Kauyon) and immediately position them somewhere else on the board, you can deploy them using the Infiltration rule, because it is still the deployment step(this is what was clarified in the balance update).
If they come in from strategic reserves(Wall of Mirrors Stratagem, Kauyon), they have to deploy as if they are reservers, with the rules that cover that(cant deploy in opponents deployment zone on turn 2 etc.). And since they do not have Deep Strike on their datasheet(neither does Shadow Sun or Ghostkeel), they have to deploy from a board edge.
All that said, they do not need Deep Strike. Stealth Suits are already really good for what they do and for their cost. If adding Deep Strike would mean a 10-20 points increase(as it is a strong ability), I would rather be without.
I’m just glad I don’t feel as required to take crisis suits. Me and my stealth suits are going to love these new kroot :D
Wait, is that the same image of the Iv edition codex cover?
yes.
I guess we can be happy it is not the same artwork as LAST edition? GW loves to recycle cover artwork, it is annoying either way.
@@darnokx9277 this artwork is fire though so I'll take it.
They did the same thing with the 'nids. One of my friends got a *really* good deal on the 9th edition codex when the 10th ed 'dex dropped.
@@PlasticAddict301 You are not wrong!
I will be fighting the Retaliation Cadre in about a week with a new detachment of my own! Should be exciting
For your second go: Dataslate specific, like the Enhancement that buffs Carnivore OC, say, top 3 to 5 units to take (SkyRays) and other that are gathering dust. I know it's early to analyze, but tau players, world-wide, are chomping at the bit. :)
Good stuff, Mr. Vincent.
Kind of Feel like Kroot should be allowed to spot during the melee phase, so they can interact with the army rule, and maybe let vespid spot during movement making that unit safe from overwatch and have a +1 to the move roll.
As a Tau player I am devastated that Commander Longstrike was removed. That was my warlord, and I run an all tanks and vehicles army (0 suits). And there is no detachment dedicated to Tanks? 4 detachments is just pathetic, especially when one is just for Kroot and one is just for suits. I really don’t think that I’m going to bother buying the codex.
Nah don’t worry. The detachments are a better system.
Unless you don’t fit into the pigeonholes that GW has artificially made. But then honestly, that’s on you.
I'm among the first to say 'to each their own' and such, defending subjective preferences, but no battlesuits in a Tau army is just wrong - it's like Orks with no dakka
They've clearly invested a huge amount of money into the kroot range and are trying desperately to get their money back when they realised that only about half of the Tau player base actually like them. Even fewer will be willing to pay the absurd prices they're demanding. So their solution is to destroy the rest of the range with bad rules so we're forced to play kroot or not bother with the faction. 10th edition is a joke man
@@MGShadow1989You’ve never heard of an Oops all Tanks army?
@@JumpyLemming22 - maybe with Imp Guard or even Space Marines, certainly not with Tau.
First off, where's my eight?
I'm livid that there's no longer 6 crisis suits in a squad that are customizable. I was so looking forward to sticking farsight in a group of 6 crisis suits with shield drones to have a 42 wounds mosh pit.
I'm livid.
Well my plan on building a T'au army soon have been thrown to the ground and stomped because of the massive change to Crisis suits. The inability to even attach a shield generator to one unit is on the non-Fusion Blaster units is annoying.
If your plan of building an army was linked to this factor then maybe it's better that it convinced you otherwise. Army should be collected because you love it, not because a wargear is strong
@@Raku69Mpeople want their favorite faction to be strong shocker
@@Raku69Mimagine playing space marines without space marines.
But Tau still should be relatively strong. Crisis suits will just play different role on the board based on the detachement. I like the factor that whole playstyle will not cricle around taking as much crisis as possible. Last time I checked it was Tau empire not Crisis suits empire
Wah wah wah
Any confirmation on the combat patrol?
Wait, you mentioned engram chip letting us double up on fire and fade. But it's not a battle tactic. Am I missing something?
You can use the strategem on a unit with that enhancement because it allows you to use a strat again even if it's already been used. You still have to pay the CP for it though.
@Tankshock55 I think the rules commentary says any time you use a stratagem more than once then it has to be battle tactic regardless if it's free or not
@@inqreview that applies to rites of battle 0CP strats
@@Tankshock55 it applies to any rule that allows you to use a stratagem more than once if it doesn't specify the stratagem. It's on the first page of the January balance dataslate
@@Tankshock55Word for word from the balance dataslate:
STRATAGEMS THAT CAN BE USED MORE
THAN ONCE PER PHASE/TURN
Rules that allow you to use a Stratagem even if
another unit has been targeted by that Stratagem
this phase or turn, but that do not specify the name
of the Stratagem, can only be used to use Battle
Tactic Stratagems.
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Did something happened to the Forgeworld stuff like the Tetras and the Y´Vahra Battlesuit?
Since those are forge world we will still be able to use their index versions I believe. They will not be going to legends if that's what you are worried about. That's my hope at least cause I want to run some yvara with the retaliation cadre.
Plasma rifles got nerfed again to 18 inch range…
Odd that they have only one more detachment than DA who are only a supplement army.
And DA can use Codex detachments as well, meaning they technically have 9.
Does anyone know when the new sheets make their way to the 40K app? When the kroot box sets are delivered or weeks after that?
Honestly i love the changes, the kroot detachment and Monk'ta (as long as they fix the army rule wording) seem very fun, the only valid complaint i can understand is only having 4 detachments which seems like its 1 or 2 off the needed mark, otherwise it seems like its pretty solid. Any WYSIWSG complaints imho are just hollow and should be ignored
Now it just all comes down to what the points are going to actually be, but if they are very close to the points list in this codex then the army is going to be great. A 160pt (assuming from the codex list) Sunforged unit with Assault+Lethal Hits+Ignores Cover & +1 to hit+Stealth Suit or Counter-Offensive hit rerolls+Full Wound & Dmg rerolls can more than consistently instantly destroy a land raider which no unit in the tau index could do before without throwing away like 500+ points.
Also Starscythes with marker drones in Montka with double flamer and farsight attached while they body guard a single unit of Sunforged around the map seems so insanely strong for almost no points. Insane board control & movement, great activation spread, doesnt require support, insane vehicle/monster dmg (even ctans just get erased due to melta rules and flamers), god tier horde & marine dmg due to -2 ap FLAMERS and overwatch and all for not even a forth of a 2000pt army is amazing
you're a brave person to say all this out loud.
Glad you did. I agree.
As a Tau veteren who's played them since the very 1st day they came out in 2001, I can honestly say we've weathered worse. There are many new opportunities for powerful units in the new book, for those who wish to seek them.
Flamers and Burst finally have a purpose again. Double fusion gun is back to being the king of reliable anti tank firepower.
Loads of classic combos coming back to the fore. I'm looking forward to seeing the old 'deathrain' loadout with dual missile pods again.
The Fire Knife suits can swap their plasmas for a 2nd Missile pod each. Missile pods are still 30 inches. Commanders can still take 4 of 'em. The entire unit gets lethal hits for 4 turns if you take the enhancement. There are lots of ways to get full re-rolls to hit in while in the Mont'ka detachment, plus the Focused Fire stratagem lets them get to ap 2 while ignoring cover if guided.
Do that while screening out the backfield and flying away from anything that does get close. Whe've basically re-created the Broadside Missile pod bunker but with way more manueverability.
DoW made me love Kroots a lot. I wish I had the models now, but cannot justufy getting them at the moment.
I'm thinking about proxying a big Lizardmen Dino from AoS into a Greater Knarloc or perhaps 3D printing one (if I can find a way to do that).
will the digital points update ome out with the kroot box or will we have to play the shit points for a bit
So... from what I see I guess this edition it's stealth suit spam?
Good
Breachers in fish + Skyrays + 1-2 small fusion crisis units w/commanders looks like a pretty solid list. Kroot for screening and infiltration game.
@@chrisj9628 rampagers have potential as trade pieces, they're too fragile to be brawlers but between the mortal wound spam and the D2 attacks they're pretty dangerous.
Am I correct in 25% of the detachments available (the Kroot one) isn’t even able to use the army rule? The greater good needs tau empire units right?
Correct, that’s why the Kroot got two detachment rules
Partially correct. The Kroot themselves cant use the army rule(which is why the detachment offers two rules for them: Damage and survivability), but the Tau elements in the army still benefit(the elements that helps with punching holes in big stuff, which then triggers the damage buffs for the Kroot).
A single unit of Pathfinders can guide 2 other units, making them very efficient if you only bring a few Tau units, and their special weapons and drones also give them options that can help the Kroot out.
For things that help punch hole in stuff, we have Piranhas, Hammerheads and Skyrays for fast, cheap and heavy hitting. Broadsides hit decently hard as well, but are not fast, though you could use 3 units of 1 to help screen your deployment zone while the Kroot rush forward.
Overall I'm pretty excited about the codex, though only having 4 detachments is a little disappointing as I would have liked at least one more that was either SUPER infantry heavy with some fast attack support (fire warriors, Pathfinder's, piranhas) or an imperial guard ally detachment. I can probably do that first one with Kauyon or Mont'kah.
The army as a whole kind of lacks infantry support that isn't Fireblade and devilfish for a couple of editions now. Loads of infantry could be really fun!
Super infantry heavy= kroot detachment
You can also use montka without problem with infantry and take great advantage of assault weapons and lethal hits
Am i crazy or did the other codexs get 6 detachments?
6, 7, 5, 5, 3, now 4
Wasn't the 3 for Dark angels though? They can also use regular marine ones so technically* get more than 3
6, 7, 5, 5, 3*, and T'au get 4.
*actually 10, since it's just a supplement that stacks with the codex. Imagine Farsight Enclaves getting three detachments plus being able to use the four in the main codex.
Did they reword the FTGG rule to work with the Montka detachment? The wording does not work well with the advancing units not being eligible to shoot.
gw? fixing something obviously broken?
It doesn't look like it. So bring gun drones on everything you can (which was happening anyway since Marker Drones are still useless), but Hammerheads, Riptides, Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges are locked out.
@@ChickenSims Marker Drones are not useless. But only a few units would actually take them. That would be lone commanders(dropping alone, acting as spotters and objective stealers with decent damage) and Stealth Suits(they do not have Markerlights as standard).
You will still put Gun Drones on most things(including the lone Commander and Stealth Suits, because being able to advance and do actions is very good for these roles).
Let's be honest though, not counting the index, Necrons only got 2 detachments, the others might as well never have been made in their current state
I feel the Starscythe and Fireknife needs switched based on the weapons.
Are kroot battleline by default now or just in the kroot detatchment?
Just their detachment
With the stealth suit homing beacon do you need deep strike to arrive in the middle of the board ?
Late to answer, but yes.
The Rapid Ingress Stratagem(the thing you use Homing Beacon for) simply allows you to deploy your unit as reinforcement(with what ever rules they have for that, like Deep Strike) at the end of your opponent's movement phase, rather than at the end of your own(meaning they will be fully activated in your own turn, able to move etc.).
So you can only deploy in the middle of the board, if the unit has Deep Strike.
The vehicles SMS took s nurf, as they two twin linked SMS previously
Im just happy Kroot got new models. I didn't need anything else from Tau in 10th. Ill stilll play em, even if they stink
Crisis suits used to always have 3 hard points for weapons. I don't mind them splitting up weapons into different dat sheets, but let us triple up on a profile please
Yeah, they feel gutted.
I glued my proxies with gun heads and arms thinking "I can change which gun represents which as I need to, but they've always had 3. This will be fine." So sorry y'all, it's clearly my fault
One of my most hated things, ripping apart models and refitting according to new rules/editions. Til I said I fuck it and refuse to do it anymore
Guys
Looks like farsight with the sun forge is the best combo? Or would he be better with fire knife?
Sunforge still seem a bit unreliable with him they average 2 shots going all the way through without him they really aren’t going to scratch a lot of vehicles before they get hit hard the next turn
1:00:40 A bit sad that they didn't took the opportunity offered by the new kit to give the Carnivores a new loadout option.
That Carbine would have been a good alt loadout for the whole squad imo.
While the additional focus on Kroot is excellent, the destruction of drones, total change of crisis suits, and reworking the rules in ways that de-value or invalidate my previous play style and hundreds of dollars in semi-recent purchases - I'm shelving my Tau army ultimately - and may sell it off. Does anyone need an extra 100+ models of now worthless tokens?
No more onager gauntlet? Or any prototype/relic weapons?? :,(
Coordinated exploitation works well on a Firesight marksmen
Hahahahaha
It was my first thought too that that would be great but it doesn't work. The enhancement's full text has a "while this model is leading a unit" clause that locks out the firesight marksman
These new Crisis Suit variants better be fucking cheap because they're utterly shit. All the fun of customisable suits is gone and it's "You'll take the loadout we tell you to." and now we can't even have shield generators on 2/3 of the new suits. AND that's already on top of the Shield Drone nerf at the start of 10th and made us take shield generators in the first place. They're now downgunned, locked to tiny squads and won't do even a fraction of the heavy lifting that the old suits did. If they're more than 90pts per unit, Tau are yet another army that's getting shelved.
Preach, brother
My suits are having a crisis in this new codex!
I feel like people are sleeping on Kroot Hunting Pack as a legit detachment instead of just a fluffy/fun hobbyist list. The Index Tau units that are good are good on their datasheets, even without taking into account a detachment rule and Stratagem support. Adding a legit battleline of the kind that detachment-buffed Kroot are seems like a huge upgrade.
Was there a new combat patrol for tau?
It would seem that the Greater Gnarloc and extra Kroot was just a rumor.
What does battle tactic mean?
10th pretty much ruined Crisis Suits and Drone. Pretty much a wasted codex that feels lazy.
But I am happy about Kroot getting some love. Only positive
I know I'm late for the party... But while the pathfinders already got the markerlight keyword but still be able to get a marker drone, do they can mark 3 targets per round?
No. The Markerlight keyword is simply an extra buff for when a unit spots a target. If the Observer has the Markerlight keyword(either built in or from a Marker Drone), the Guided unit partner ignores cover when shooting at the spotted enemy.
The Pathfinder's ability to be an Observer for a second target is due to their special rule, not their equipment(Markerlights). For instance, the Strike Team and Breacher Team(and several other units) also have the Markerlight keyword from the start(meaning they can be decent Observers for other units if needed), but they do not get to spot 2 targets.
It's absolutely wild that kroot (and vespid) don't get the faction FTGG rule. The whole point of the T'au Empire is philosophy of better together, yet for all the love kroot get in this edition, there are zero rules to encourage combo play with the T'au.
Either kroot should get the FTGG rule, or their own flavour of it. It really feels like two seperate armies now (especially as kroot need their own detachment to be any good)...
There's a lot I like about this codex but the spirit of the greater good is really missing
Any sign of the combat patrol?
What about the new Combat Patrol?
think it is strange they removed the Crisis Commander, it where used and it is the one with the same movement as the Crisis suits, the other commanders are 8" and 12"
It does not have a stand alone model. You built one from the crisis suit box and since they limit them to just three suits it was almost guaranteed to go.
It’s still a shame it had to go tho
Well the Coldstar Commander buffs the movement to 12", so that is not really a problem.
I have no problem with them removing the basic Crisis Commander, as it was not a standalone model. So for the sake of "cleaning up", it made sense.
I still dont get why they keep the fortifications around though. Unless they plan to overhaul them in a major way for every faction, those datasheets are a waste of space.
I would also love to see a rules update for certain units(like Firesight Teams) and a new basic character that can join Pathfinders and/or Stealth Teams.
I do not understand the comments of people. Reading them one would think that this index is a debacle, when instead i think that it is great and future proofs Tau (for example by having crisis suits separated, thud rhey cwn cost them differently, instead of paying the premium for icb, even if you didnr take them).
Terrible fixes for bad changes should not be praised.
Hell, even OPR the game that sells itself as super simple 40k uses wargear costs. They had multiple ways of balancing CIBs they had used previously. But they decided to do none of those, and make one of the few model kits as flexible as the leman russ into 3 sheets with preset, barely changeable load outs. At least one of which you can't build out of the box.
Furthermore, we are one of the most expensive armies to collect, specifically because battle suits are crazy expensive. Literally even GSC are cheaper per point. Nuking their usefulness and slashing the points along with it would put us at admech levels of financial cost.
@@mikek6298 I do not like wargear costs, so you are barking to the wrong tree, my friend.
@@JackDespero That's only one of the tons of options they had. They could have limited it to characters only, or one per suit, or one per unit, or actually balanced the gun, or literally anything besides the laziest and least fun option available to them
I'm not gonna lie 10th has completely removed me from the hobby when I was originally looking forward to it, as a harlequins and Tau player from 8th edition, having my main army basically removed, no longer being a standalone army with it's own special rules and the constant whiplash of tau rule changes and models I just can't justify the money, time, and effort when my armies and models can just be basically removed from the game overnight
AUSPEX PLEASE WE NEED NEW VIDEOS WITH THE OFFICIAL CODEX RELEASE
Crisis changes and removing datasheets from an already smal roster is just stupid AF
I may be wrong but for 140pts starsyth battlesuits aren’t gonna be usable. I mean a Breachers team with a cardre fireblade gets more shots at better quality. And a strike team will be just as strong for 10 points less
Breachers dont have Deep strike, They need to cross the battlefield in the transport and that it does not die in the first turns, starscyte gives you an anti-infantry alternative and its flamethrowers can be used in combat
gutted longstrike is gone and interesting that Shadowsun only has one ver of her fusion guns
i wanna make an all battlesuit army
The fact that GW made a strategem based around Torchstar, but couldn't give us The Eight back is so frustrating. Also, please give us the onager gauntlet and fusion blades back.
We finally got new root units but at what cost
Vespids, firesight, and Pathfinders are all my favorites so this is great news
Even though enhancements are traditionally only able to be carried by characters. Retaliation cadre enhancements say battlesuits only. Even though there implying the commanders. What if the other battlesuits could take these enhancements.
Hot take here, i am quite happy with these rules the only issuw I see is bad internal balance the best detachment by far is the montka detachment.
Cost of crisis is too high, either allow us a limited selection of 1 extra weapon or reduce point price. Still don't understand how missile launchers are less strong then Primaris grenade launchers. Overall I feel this edition they are just focusing on releasing more models and only touching the game afterwards for balance
It's kinda feels like an "wild" edition, I mean.. Beastsnaggers, Kroot, new Tyranids, maybe the Astra will get some.. Catachan releases :D
Aun shit gettign axed when the kroot are getting uplifted seems a bit odd. Cause he waspretty good with them. Guess it's just sweeping away the old models.
Did the Broadside go unchanged?
Every thing looks good and they fixed the StormSurge want to shoot multiple targets by giving it the ability to get 3+ on its own or for non-guided to hit on a 4+ thanks to heavy. So every thing looks good……
……EXCEPT THE CRISIS SUITS. OMG what the heck did they do tho them, they gutted every part of their ID, and made them so rigided with little to no ability to change loadout, I hate this so much. Like the fact we can’t even double up on gun or Sheild drone is the cherry on this destruction of an iconic unit.
Here's the thing with the old Crisis Suits ... ... ... as sombody who's played Tau from literally the 1st day they were released in 2001, the idea of infinite variety and unlimited loadout combos on your suits 'sounds' cool... until you play an actual game with them and realise you made the wrong loadout choice and are getting tabled by your opponant.
I've seen that happen way too many times over the last 20 years. And over time all Tau players eventually gravitate toward the same few select builds that actually work - the ones that just so happen to be the ones GW are using for their new Crisis Suit units.
Sidenote - there's a reason GW are using names like 'sunforge' 'fireknife' and 'starscythe' for the new Crisis Suit units. There's a reason you'll see veteran Tau players like myself using terms like 'the deathrain loadout' and 'the Helios build'. Those names are iconic and much loved within the Tau community, because WE came up with those names! We, the Tau community of old.
Go to the forums of the early 2000's, and you'll see the original Tau players testing lists and theory crafting and reporting on wins and losses and coming up with these exact same loadouts. They've stood the test of time and remained viable throughout each edition, so we gave them cool names. Names that GW have officially cannonised now.
I'm reading loads of comments from new players who are relieved GW have finally done this with the Crisis Suits. The old suits were way to intimidating for them, the choice paralysis was overwhealming, and the app made selecting the wargear for each suit a tedious nightmare.
Overall I'm very glad GW finally did this. I've been asking them to do exactly this kind of change for over a decade now (yes I am that old 😝)
@@In_Purple_CladI've not seen a single person claim that crisis suits are overwhelming. I've only ever seen the opposite, especially in 10th. People love crisis suits for their flexible utility, not their best gear.
And if that's your opinion, then do you think we should also get rid of every single leman russ except the demolisher and punisher, and we should take away their ability to choose sponsons and top guns?
Frankly I don't care about 20 year old theory crafting or what the common gear has ever been. I wanted literally any customization, especially in this edition. I can customize my units more in OPR now. Do you understand how comically upsetting that is? The paired down simple version of the game is less paired down and simple than these crisis units
@@mikek6298 Seems OPR will have quite the influx of players. That and people going back to 9th edition 4Ok - the heyday of variety and customisation.
Genuinely nothing wrong with that. I've got friends who swear by 5th & 6th edition. For them that's when 40k peaked, and they're genuinely uninterested in all the new-fangled changes brought about by 8th. I happily play with them on special occasions. It's a blast. :) Same reason I play Horus Heresy with 'em as well. It's basically 7th edition 'done right'.
There's no stigma in sticking with the edition that's right for you. Honestly I encourage it.
What I will say is; the people who like the 'build-a-bear' Crisis suits tend to be a specific type of person. The kind who 'has' to create something that feels unique and personalised and special to them... even if in reality they're mading the exact same choice as everyone else.
I think that's the heart and crux of the matter. Gundam games and Armoured Core games and 'build-a-bear' Crisis suits appeal to that specific type of player... and from what I've seen over 20+ years, they drive away the other types of player who get intimidated by choice overload. Or just wanna run something that 'looks' cool and sounds good in their head, but then accidentally get burned because they made the wrong choice. Customisation also doesn't mean anything to the 3rd type of player either- the ones who just want to skip to the end and use the best loadouts, 'cos they care more about winning games/ being on an even footing with their opponants.
Basically I'm describing the 'Johnny', 'Timmy' and 'Spike' personality types made famous by Magic the Gathering players. Tau Crisis suits were always made with 'johnny' type players in mind, but their sheer level of customisation could be confusing/ uninteresting to 'Timmy' and 'Spike' type players. That's the best way I can describe what's happening now. GW are 'trying' to widen the appeal and make Suits interesting to all 3 player types. But I'll understand if they've removed too much of the customisation aspect. I understand that 'feeling' like you made a choice is still increadibly important. To Everyone, but especially to 'Johnny' type players, which to me it sounds like you are.
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think i will try the Retaliation Cadra for my upcoming Tay army
My mate and I played with his Tau for the first time last night. FTGG confused the hellnout of us as to whether it allows chaining. I can see large online debates arguing both ways, but cant seem.to see more recent ones. Has there been a definitive answer to this please?
The answer, outside of one unofficial tournament, has always been "no daisy chaining". After getting a lot of people doing horrible things to the English language in an attempt to cheat, GW made an official statement forbidding daisy chaining in one of the Designer Notes accompanying the Balance Dataslate.
Thank you!
Tetras gone? Not in the vehicle section but also not in the removed section?
Tetras are "forge world" those units don't appear in the codex. Like the Manta or T'aunar supremacy suit. You can still play Tetras they have not taken them away. They're just not listed in the codex like any other forge world unit.
@@PhillipOnTakos Ah thanks
Hey I joined your Patreon but it shows most recent video is Feb 28th at I doing somthing wrong and do you have a discord for your Patreon
Honestly, if your army has a codex coming up. You should be nervous, not excited.
Custodes player here, I am not excited for my book.
As a possible new player I kind of understand what GW is doing with the game rules and codex releases bc the rules are far easier to understand in 10th edition. However the more I research the factions and dive thru comment sections on videos like these, I empathize with veterans of 40k. Just bc my brain is too smooth to grasp the game rules, they shouldn't punish their current clientele by upending 7000% of the armies.
Terrified for Orks 😅
I'm fine with the new codex except Plasma Rifles should be RF 24" S6 AP-3 D2. More aimed towards armored infantry than vehicles. Like they were in the good ol days.
Find it really weird that the gunrig stays, but the tactical drones are gone. The gunrig isn't even sold anymore on the webstore. Also, with how the drones no longer need to be physically present, with every box you get your tactical drone army grows. The hard to acquire model stays, but the super easy one goes like the dodo. Real shame.
Never been this early.