Missed the mark, Qui and Dooku both understood the Jedi had lost their path. it was less so joining the Sith and more about leaving the Jedi and seeing reason.
@@Sheriff_K There is no GRAY Jedi. The Force itself is balance, there isn't a "light" side to it. There's The Force...and its corruption, the Dark Side. You can't be halfway between a thing and its cancer. There's only the Jedi, not Gray Jedi. QG would have trained Anakin in the way Jedi should have been trained (beholden to The Force and not the Senate), not in a way that embraced the Dark Side in anyway (other than understanding what it is, its allure and not to fear it for its self-destructive nature).
@@gabrielmajin5265 Qui Gon leaving the jedi order for the sith? Never. Because he didn't agree with the council and he would leave to become his own kind of jedi? I think that would have been inevitable had he survived. He would have taken Ani and trained him by himself. But I don't see him ever joining his former master
I think the saddest part of Dooku's character is that he was never truly evil he did genuinely care about the galaxy and wanted to change the republic for the better
@@skyrimguy217If you don’t understand the nature of hell and heaven and you don’t understand that the two are actually the one same thing but in polar opposites then your heaven will eventually lead you to hell, just like the Jedi Order did.
He played the role like any other, he didn't treat it like a silly kids movie. He regarded the lightsaber fights as the most spectacular fencing demonstrations on screen, Lee was truly a gift to our community
@@Softlycircus1935 I wouldn't say a kids movie. Of course kids are attracted to lighstabers and cool blasters but they don't fully understand the whole context of what happens in the galaxy
@@hsthatzo8063 lion king- regicide, famine. Enchanto - death, mental health, PTSD. Frozen - death, fear of acceptance/failure; entire kingdom frozen, loss of economy. Pocahontas- do I really need to explain that one? I have a whole PowerPoint and a laser pointer 🤷♂️
In the novels Dooku genuinely can’t see Obi without feeling he’s looking at his own grandson. Dooku loved Jin and was trying to do all he could to atleast “save” Obi from the ultimate fate of the Jedi
I wouldn’t say perfectly. His iteration in Dark Disciple is pure evil but in things like Jedi Lost and TOTJ he’s more sympathetic. Ahsoka, Maul, Cassian Andor, and Lando Calrissian are better examples of perfectly written characters as their characterizations and arcs are more consistent over multiple pieces of media
agreed. you can really believe that his engagement with the sith was initially on principled grounds, and the separatist movement was not about serving some dark end but was the actual end in itself for him because the republic's corruption was intolerable. and of course Christopher Lee brought incredible class to the role
There is not doubt in my mine that reason Maul fought Qui-Gon and Obi-wan on Naboo, was a deliberate order from Palpatine to kill them to push Dooku over the edge.
Papa Palps saw Qui-Gon as a threat bc of the way Qui-Gon thinks and since he wasn’t controlled by the council. Your reasoning might be right but I don’t think that’s the only reason. That’s all.
@@bronxboy151 There can be other reasons, but I think the primary was to push Dooku and make Dooku feel betrayed by the Jedi not sending Qui-gon with more support.
As a teen I never noticed these feelings in Dooku, now with the Tales of the Jedi a lot has become much clearer to me and it's really quite the tragic story.
Qui-Gon seemed to understand that following either path to their extremes is dangerous. Following the Light path alone to its extreme means abandoning emotions and connections. It’s a lonely miserable life of nothing but control and focus. The Dark Side’s extremes are all about the most extreme emotions, anger and hatred and sorrow.
@@swordsmanthegamernine7973 You're confusing the error of the Jedi merging with the Republic and the Lightside. All Jedi are lonely and should be: to be Jedi is to be selfless, even in the extreme. The extreme Jedi are those like Master Fay and, in part, Master Qui-Gon who absolutely surrendered to the Force, which is completely antithetical to the Sith.
@@spacejesus6581 But not fully on Sidious's side. I have a feeling Dooku had a possible plan to use the Clone Army or/and the droid against Palpatine. I would be surprised if there weren't other contingency orders added alongside 66.
Interesting fact: Dooku legitimately thought of Qui-Gon like a Son and Obi-Wan as a Grandson. It's heartbreaking hearing him in this scene, as he seems legit upset over what happened....
@@nikolaimyhre1187 Why did father's try to kill their Son's during the American Civil War? Because Dooku legitimately believed what he told Obi-Wan. The Jedi had lost their way and were slowly becoming just another branch of an obviously Corrupt Government(tbf, he had no idea Palpatine was playing both sides of the War just to get rid of the Jedi and claim Skywalker)....
I'm not American, and that metaphor sucks anyway. Completely different tale. I highly doubt he saw Obi-Wan as a grandson having never met him and trying to kill him lol. Dooku was totally disillusioned, played by Palpatine into betraktning his own and disposed of in the end. Most terrible SW character ever.
It was his chance to honor Qui Gon. Obi-Wan was the only connection that Dooku had left to his former apprentice. I think he was hoping Obi-Wan would believe him and save him from the shackles and torment he finds himself in by being in the service of Palpatine
@@ItApproaches No it doesn't. Do you think that if Hitler told the allies that Roosevelt was a secret Nazi and his apprentence, that they'd even consider it for a second?
i think dooku might be the most profound of all star wars characters. he is the realist in a world of black and white, good and evil. very much like in the real world, the answer always lies in between.
Vader similarly has that. Apparently many of the sith have that happening within them. Very cool story and great writing of characters. The reason you may isolate Dooku is because Christopher Lee, who plays him, was the GOAT of acting.
He was like that originally, but the time he joined the Sith he was full on evil. Sure, maybe he does believe the Sith are the best way to order, but he is by no means a good or even grey person
A lot of people seem to forget that Dooku never fully gave himself to the Dark side. He did what he thought was necessary for the good of the Galaxy. Including making a deal with the Devil. Dude was a classic “the ends justify the means” type of guy.
@@davidortiz3094It wasn’t that there were too many Jedi, but that the Jedi order itself had become too corrupt, creating an imbalance on the light side. I’m sure that if Qui-Gon lived, Anakin would have found a means to bring that balance without turning to the dark side.
@@davidortiz3094 the force will never be balanced. it’s just a repeating pattern. even after the sequels and everything, we never get a solid conclusion.
He says "Qui-Gon always spoke very highly of you." And he says it like his son never was able tp introduce him to his grandson. It's all so heartbreaking.
The "I wish he were still alive. I could you his help right now" hits different after Tales of the Jedi. Originally I saw a man that fell and wanted some reassurance on the path he was going, but now it seems more like a cry for help. And the fact that Obi-wan didn't notice it really is gut wrenching. RIP Christopher Lee. Greatest villain of all time.
He definitely empathized with Dooku on what the Jedi Order had become. Qui-Gon Jinn was no fool; he understood that the Jedi had grown soft and blind in their arrogance, and that the Sith were making a return. I feel like Dooku needed Qui Gons advice more than his help.
Qui gon was pretty much among the jedi who was quite perceptive of the force and its very nature. The council were dogmatic in their views and anything that didn't otherwise align with what they thought was "right", was considered a threat. Basically he was the exemplary role of what the jedi should've been.
3 people needed qui gon more then anything. Obi wan, anakin and dooku. Losing qui gon drove dooku to the darkside. Removed the father figure anakin truley needed. Thus his turn to the darkside. And broke obi wan more then people realized. He no longer had someone he could truley open up to anymore. Everyone else was another master. But none of them where his.
Dooku's eyes in this scene alone tell their entire story. His eyes focused in, genuine when he says "Qui Gon always spoke very highly of you". Then the way Dooku looks down to the ground when he says "I could use his help right now", eyes glossy and filled with sadness. It truly was a cry for help. The look of disappointment as he walks away, saddened that Obi Wan was not yet ready to share that moment with him. Obi Wan was simply too young, too immature to understand. Obi Wan will later have to endure a similar grief. Having to walk away from Anakin on Mustafar and again in the Kenobi show, only then would he have had time to reflect on all of his experiences. Qui Gon changed history.
It's mind-blowing the words, "I could use his help right now" did not mean he wanted him to join the seperatists but actually meant he wanted to be saved from this situation and the clutches of Palpatine. And Obi-wan's reply that he would never "join" him just hammers in the fact that Dooku's path is wrong.
Qui-Gon never fell to the dark side, so the experiences differ. Dooku left because of the rampant corruption of the Republic and the lack of action and neglect the Jedi took to combat it. He saw the Jedi as blind fools, thus why he left in the first place. Obi-Wan made the decision to leave Anikan. He practically gave up on him thinking he couldn’t be saved. The one thing that definitely brings them together was that they felt they lost someone important to them. Both lost Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan lost Anikan.
This is not true. Dooku by no means wanted out of his situation. He truly believed in his cause, he just put his confidence in Palpatine, just as the Republic did, and got swindled. Truth be told, Dooku was right about the Jedi and the corrupt Republic.
Dooku wanted an ally that he could have a connection with, but also trust. He was more of a political idealist than an actual Sith Lord. He didn’t want to go back to the Republic and Jedi, he sought to change them both because he saw the corruption of the Republic and the Jedi backing it.
Actually, this is not true. Dooku genuinely believed in his cause and that's in part why his descent into the dark side is so sad because he was actually right about the Jedi Order and the Republic.
Read Jedi Lost ‘cause I wanted to learn more about this character. Sir Christopher Lee’s performance made such a great impact that Dooku ended up my favorite character 😊
I love obi wan and all but he was one of the major parts in the downfall of the Republic due to his lack of vision or just kinda clear understanding of the bigger picture
I wish Christopher Lee had more time to shine as count Dooku. Even in this little scene you can see how well he portrays the character and we can only imagine what else he could've done with him if he had a few more scenes. Such a great actor.
People never pay attention to the fact that just because Dooku is technically a Sith, he was never an evil person. He was just a scared and broken man searching for a cure, a lot like Anakin.
Yeah I always thought of him as a man willing to do anything to achieve his goal, which included following a sith master, but never fully trusting him and succumbing to his manipulation. Anakin was alot more vulnerable to sidious since palpatine influenced Anakin since he was a boy.
When he said he needed help, it wasn't so much as a join as he needed advice, guidance. He knew Qui-Gon had a very special attachment to the force and that was why he was the first force ghost
Remember when Star Wars had layers and layers of heartfelt story you could go back to year after year. “I could use his help right now” Was one of the most sad and solemn things said in all of Star Wars. No ego, no pomposity. Just sadness for his lost friend. Now Star Wars is just “MEN BAD”
I wasn't old enough to understand what they were talking about at the time but I was old enough to understand Dooku was sad about something. Knowing now, it only hurts more.
Christopher Lee's acting here is superb and legendary. You can really see the burden and tragedy behind his sad face. You can feel how difficult his situation was while portraying as the supposed to be villain
My favourite part of the Star Wars franchise as it currently stands is their amazing ability to retroactively add further nuance to already established scenes
For those that didn’t watch Clone Wars; Dooku had disagreements with the Jedi Order for a long time, but Qui-Gons death is what finally pushed him over the edge.
Dooku was a political idealist by description, and so naturally was wanting to pull away. He had even maybe started pulling away, but wasn't fully committed to the choice. Qui Gon's death committed him. It kind of parallels how, with Anakin, Ahsoka kept him sane and was truly a partner for him during much of the clone wars. When she left the order, that was one of the big wedges between Anakin and the rest of the order. Things grew from there@@grienardus12
Am I the only one who thinks when Dooku says "I could really use his help right now," Dooku really means "I'm in too deep & lost myself, I no longer know who I am anymore." And I wonder what Qui-Gon would tell him if he was there.
The beauty of prequels compared to the sequel trilogy is that things are open to interpretation so that others could add it upon later to make it all more fulfilling.
That’s exactly what he means. You even see it in the flashback when he was a Jedi, he’s different- but as a Sith, he’s broken and needs guidance from his former student.
He also just didn't know what to do. He lost himself and lost his way and wanted things to be right. He was lost entirely, knew it, and didn't know how to fix it. He just wanted to fix things and didn't know how...
The Dooku Arc of Tales of the Jedi was incredible. It really understood Dooku as a character and managed to tell a story that enhanced his movie and Clone Wars scenes
@@sikid4000 I'm talking about when I was a kid 20 yrs ago. And couldn't understand the subtext of a man with PTSD battling his morality to choose between good and evil
I don’t think he entirely meant that he wanted Qui-gon to join him he seemed to , no matter the circumstances, respect and found true friendship in him and while yes he’d want him to join I feel like he was also longing for another conversation with his good friend hoping he’d give him advice and guidance like only a brother could
I think dooku fell out of the light when Palpatine had his padawan killed. I think dooku just longs for his company. Its pretty clear dooku is not as far into the dark as Darth maul, or even as anakin. He's just a frustrated man that got manipulated by Palpatine.
I love how Christopher Lee’s feeling towards the loss of his padwan fits so well with the feeling of the Tales of the Jedi series even though they were years apart and out of order.
I knew this scene was DEEP even when I was young I had always Saw Dooku as a man who was doing what he thought was right even knowing he was a villian... And the tales of the Jedi really supported this idea for me.
At that moment in time, Dooku had turned his back on the Jedi Order, because he believed it to be corrupt ... and he was right! But he had not yet come to understand just how much worse Palpatine would turn out to be. It is like that old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Honestly, with the way Dooku is with Obi Wan here, makes me think that part of him did not want it to be that way and honestly still wished to help the Jedi defeat The Sith, he just wanted to forge his own path
At that moment in time, Dooku had turned his back on the Jedi Order, because he believed it to be corrupt ... and he was right! But he had not yet come to understand just how much worse Palpatine would turn out to be. It is like that old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Qui-gon actually presented the greatest threat to palpitine, even more so then yoda, since he was especially adept with force prophecies and energy he already sensed the disturbances on the force as early as his time with Dooku. He also had a better understanding of the force than the Jedi Council did (which obviously became a bastardization of what they once were) He was on to Sidious and he wanted to save Anakin from his destiny but couldn’t
He's the best moments in Star Wars when we get those real deep intimate conversations and we see these people as just that people not good guys bad guys or one dimensional characters.
As I grew older I didn't see Dooku as a villain, but just a man that genuinely wanted change in the Galaxy for the better. His means may have been extreme, but the guy still cared.
Changing the galaxy for the better by leading separatist alliance that randomly burned colonies, used assassins, forced planets to join their force, used slavery. Much better than the republic indeed.
Out of all the shows and movies I’ve ever seen, there has never been anything on tv that gives me as much emotions as Star Wars does. Star Wars really makes you search for the beauty of life in the story. Everywhere and everyone is touched by darkness and heartbreak.
Dooku. A man who foresaw the end result of the Jedi order (becoming a group of enforcers for the Republic), missing a beloved college who helped balance his thoughts and gave great advice in times of hardship, succumbing to the dark side in an attempt to preserve what he thought was the real world. It all feels like a very major foreshadowing of Anakin becoming Vader after trying to do the very same things.
You're right, but I think Obi-Won misinterpreted Dooku's meaning when he said he could use Qui-Gon's help as them joining together because Obi-Won believed Dooku was the Sith Lord the Jedi had been searching for, not knowing there was another in Sidious. That's because Sidious was using Force Clouding to hide himself from the Jedi.
It was, Dooku was still not fully embraced with the dark side in AOTC, he was still conflicted and he really did mean he could use help to come back from the dark side. Obi-Wan just did not understand and since they never met before he did not know light side good Dooku making it impossible for Obi-Wan to be that life line.
'I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now..' Goddamn, Lee's delivery is nothing short of amazing. He genuinely sells the pain of a father who lost his son.
Honestly Dooku saying "I could use his help right now" sounds more like a plee for help to get out of the darkness he's in rather than wanting to convince him to join the dark side. (Edit: Jesus I was not expecting this comment to blow up 0,0 1.5k likes thanks 😅)
@@investlikeawarrior thanks lol, idk just the way he says it and doesn't respond to Obi-Wan, just looks at him with sadness, quietly sighs, then turns around and walks out slowly.
Sheesh the actor never make an scene with Liam nesson in this movies but he can show the most deepest sadness when his character remembers his old friend Truly a Masterpiece of acting
It's oddly haunting when you look back at these moments, you can see the love he had, had towards Qui Gon and the pain you can see in his face as well as his eyes, I don't think he ever got over it.
I always loved the CW episode where Dooku, Obi-Wan & Anakin are held hostage by the pirates I appreciated the respect they both have when talking to each other that I think stems from their mutual appreciation of Qui-Gon Jinn
He wasnt looking for Qui-gon to join, more like he needed him to talk sense into him. Everyone holds that one person in thier hearts who's "thier voice of reason" for Dooku, it was most likely his apprentice. Star Wars is really heavy on the student-master dynamics i love it.
I kinda wish Jedi Master Dooku was seen or at least mentioned in TPM to connect all 3 films more. RIP Sir Christopher Lee, he was a legend in every sense of the word.
That look Dooku gave Obi-Wan at the end said everything, Qui-gon may not have joined him in the dark but he could have helped Dooku return to the light.
Such amazing acting, you can really hear the sadness in his voice, especially when he takes a deep breath before saying “I could really use his help now.”
Now it makes me feel so arrogant thinking back watching this scene as a kid that he wanted Qui-Gon to join him. But actually to give him a way back to the light. And Christopher Lee is such a brilliant actor that without even knowing what the context was you can see that emotion. Absolutely incredible.
I always viewed this scene as Dooku tugging at Obi-wan's emotions to try and get him to join Dooku, but ultimately insincere, but now it feels like Dooku felt genuinely lost and wished for Qui-gon's guidance...
After watching the TALES of JEDI.. and seeing this scene again after so many years, brings a different perspective on dooku and his fall on the dark side.😢😢
“I could use his help right now” used to come across as trying to play on Obi-Wan’s compassionate side, but after TotJ, I now see it as a genuine struggle between the light and dark for Dooku
"I don't need him to join me. I need him to listen to me."
Exactly, just needs to talk to someone who understands.
He needed his apprentice to give him a temp check. Someone to remind him of what being a jedi was supposed to mean
@@zombieman3011is right. He’s not looking for a partner he needs a friend
Jesus this hit hard
@@zombieman3011abducting children and forcing them into an emotionally comotos state.
He wasn’t looking for Qui-Gon to join, Dooku needed him to help pull him out of the darkness he’s in
Missed the mark, Qui and Dooku both understood the Jedi had lost their path. it was less so joining the Sith and more about leaving the Jedi and seeing reason.
@@Sm0lPersonGray Jedi all the way.
@@Sheriff_Kno, true Jedi all the way!!
@@Sheriff_K There is no GRAY Jedi. The Force itself is balance, there isn't a "light" side to it. There's The Force...and its corruption, the Dark Side. You can't be halfway between a thing and its cancer. There's only the Jedi, not Gray Jedi. QG would have trained Anakin in the way Jedi should have been trained (beholden to The Force and not the Senate), not in a way that embraced the Dark Side in anyway (other than understanding what it is, its allure and not to fear it for its self-destructive nature).
@@gabrielaj2066 facts I hate when people think he’s a grey Jedi that’s more Ashoka than anything else
"Qui Gon Jinn would never join YOU"
Dooku gave him that look like "you never knew your master"
I noticed that too!
To me it was just a look of “I need him to save me”
@@bpierce566exactly! It's a look of "I need him to bring me back" 😢
Qui gon Jin would have joined Dooku and possibly changed his old masters destiny
@@gabrielmajin5265 Qui Gon leaving the jedi order for the sith? Never. Because he didn't agree with the council and he would leave to become his own kind of jedi? I think that would have been inevitable had he survived. He would have taken Ani and trained him by himself. But I don't see him ever joining his former master
I think the saddest part of Dooku's character is that he was never truly evil he did genuinely care about the galaxy and wanted to change the republic for the better
I mean so did Anakin, but as the saying goes "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
They had both been manipulated tho
@@skyrimguy217If you don’t understand the nature of hell and heaven and you don’t understand that the two are actually the one same thing but in polar opposites then your heaven will eventually lead you to hell, just like the Jedi Order did.
Bro was evil
@@brandonhawkins2367 from a certain point of view
He played the role like any other, he didn't treat it like a silly kids movie. He regarded the lightsaber fights as the most spectacular fencing demonstrations on screen, Lee was truly a gift to our community
The badass had a curved lightsaber. If that's not a statement as to his skills, I don't know what is
It's literally a kids movie
@@Softlycircus1935 I wouldn't say a kids movie. Of course kids are attracted to lighstabers and cool blasters but they don't fully understand the whole context of what happens in the galaxy
@@Softlycircus1935It is, but how are you gonna act like the best kids movies don't have any adult themed overtones?
@@hsthatzo8063 lion king- regicide, famine. Enchanto - death, mental health, PTSD. Frozen - death, fear of acceptance/failure; entire kingdom frozen, loss of economy. Pocahontas- do I really need to explain that one? I have a whole PowerPoint and a laser pointer 🤷♂️
It's like meeting a grandfather you never knew after your dad died.
In the novels Dooku genuinely can’t see Obi without feeling he’s looking at his own grandson. Dooku loved Jin and was trying to do all he could to atleast “save” Obi from the ultimate fate of the Jedi
Wasnt that much special tbh for my part
Dooku legitimately thought of Qui-Gon as his son and by extension Obi-Wan his grandson.
Dooku always wanted obi wan on his side instead of Anakin in the books
Naruto and Jiraiya
Dooku is truly one of the most perfectly written Star Wars characters
Hes getting so much love and work over the years through all the series, a really great character
I wouldn’t say perfectly. His iteration in Dark Disciple is pure evil but in things like Jedi Lost and TOTJ he’s more sympathetic. Ahsoka, Maul, Cassian Andor, and Lando Calrissian are better examples of perfectly written characters as their characterizations and arcs are more consistent over multiple pieces of media
@@felicitys3621 ahsoka is trash in crap soup
@@felicitys3621onsisten? As if change in a character's personality, principle and values through their experiences constitutes worse writing? L take
agreed. you can really believe that his engagement with the sith was initially on principled grounds, and the separatist movement was not about serving some dark end but was the actual end in itself for him because the republic's corruption was intolerable. and of course Christopher Lee brought incredible class to the role
There is not doubt in my mine that reason Maul fought Qui-Gon and Obi-wan on Naboo, was a deliberate order from Palpatine to kill them to push Dooku over the edge.
There is doubt in my mind
Papa Palps saw Qui-Gon as a threat bc of the way Qui-Gon thinks and since he wasn’t controlled by the council. Your reasoning might be right but I don’t think that’s the only reason. That’s all.
@@bronxboy151 There can be other reasons, but I think the primary was to push Dooku and make Dooku feel betrayed by the Jedi not sending Qui-gon with more support.
I think that is more True than the theory that it is to affect anakins path (possible bad grammar I know)
“I could use his help right now” and that 1000 yard stare when he just admits that he needs his friends guidance💔
As a teen I never noticed these feelings in Dooku, now with the Tales of the Jedi a lot has become much clearer to me and it's really quite the tragic story.
Dooku loved Qui Gon like a son. He was angry when Maul killed him.
And that anger drove him to the Dark Side.
Qui-Gon seemed to understand that following either path to their extremes is dangerous. Following the Light path alone to its extreme means abandoning emotions and connections. It’s a lonely miserable life of nothing but control and focus. The Dark Side’s extremes are all about the most extreme emotions, anger and hatred and sorrow.
Haha
@@maul8384 no legs?? 😢😢
@@swordsmanthegamernine7973 You're confusing the error of the Jedi merging with the Republic and the Lightside. All Jedi are lonely and should be: to be Jedi is to be selfless, even in the extreme. The extreme Jedi are those like Master Fay and, in part, Master Qui-Gon who absolutely surrendered to the Force, which is completely antithetical to the Sith.
I feel like if Qui-Gon survived he could've brought Dooku back to the light bro was just pure
I don't think Dooku would have turned at all if Qui-Gon was alive. I think his faith would have wavered sure, but not a full conversion.
@@VirtualShogun he had already dealt with Sifo Dyas and deleted Kamino before Qui-Gon was dead
@@spacejesus6581 point taken
@@spacejesus6581 But not fully on Sidious's side.
I have a feeling Dooku had a possible plan to use the Clone Army or/and the droid against Palpatine. I would be surprised if there weren't other contingency orders added alongside 66.
His death was the final straw that pushed Dooku to the dark side
Interesting fact: Dooku legitimately thought of Qui-Gon like a Son and Obi-Wan as a Grandson. It's heartbreaking hearing him in this scene, as he seems legit upset over what happened....
Then why did he try to kill him? Lol
@@nikolaimyhre1187 Why did father's try to kill their Son's during the American Civil War? Because Dooku legitimately believed what he told Obi-Wan. The Jedi had lost their way and were slowly becoming just another branch of an obviously Corrupt Government(tbf, he had no idea Palpatine was playing both sides of the War just to get rid of the Jedi and claim Skywalker)....
I'm not American, and that metaphor sucks anyway. Completely different tale. I highly doubt he saw Obi-Wan as a grandson having never met him and trying to kill him lol. Dooku was totally disillusioned, played by Palpatine into betraktning his own and disposed of in the end. Most terrible SW character ever.
@@nikolaimyhre1187 Most terrible opinion ever. Shit take, huge L.
@@nikolaimyhre1187I can explain this simply. The Empire was right.
Gotta love how Dooku straight up told Obi Wan ALL the truth and Palpatine's plan by orchestrating the war
And Obi Wan just went"I don't believe you" 🥴
It was his chance to honor Qui Gon. Obi-Wan was the only connection that Dooku had left to his former apprentice. I think he was hoping Obi-Wan would believe him and save him from the shackles and torment he finds himself in by being in the service of Palpatine
To be fair, he did tell the Council. It was Yoda who dismissed it as a lie.
Why would anyone expect the enemy leader to be telling the truth?
@@liamjm9278 Because a villain who has truth on their side is a much bigger problem, it shows just how arrogant your side has become.
@@ItApproaches No it doesn't. Do you think that if Hitler told the allies that Roosevelt was a secret Nazi and his apprentence, that they'd even consider it for a second?
i think dooku might be the most profound of all star wars characters.
he is the realist in a world of black and white, good and evil.
very much like in the real world, the answer always lies in between.
Vader similarly has that. Apparently many of the sith have that happening within them. Very cool story and great writing of characters.
The reason you may isolate Dooku is because Christopher Lee, who plays him, was the GOAT of acting.
He was like that originally, but the time he joined the Sith he was full on evil. Sure, maybe he does believe the Sith are the best way to order, but he is by no means a good or even grey person
Wasn’t Palpatine afraid of Dooku when Maul was still his apprentice? Seen him as a great threat?
@@dansir4102not sidious or plagueis
A lot of people seem to forget that Dooku never fully gave himself to the Dark side. He did what he thought was necessary for the good of the Galaxy. Including making a deal with the Devil. Dude was a classic “the ends justify the means” type of guy.
He was racist though
Space racist
@@swardli5897 what
@@TheSlipperyLizard953 count dooku was racist
@@TheSlipperyLizard953 search it up
Qui-Gon dying was the tipping point in Star Wars.
Yep! That's why it's actually a victory for the dark side in that movie
Duel of the Fates
@@ctrain149 It was necessary. At the end of the day Anakin did bring balance to the force. There were too many Jedi.
@@davidortiz3094It wasn’t that there were too many Jedi, but that the Jedi order itself had become too corrupt, creating an imbalance on the light side. I’m sure that if Qui-Gon lived, Anakin would have found a means to bring that balance without turning to the dark side.
@@davidortiz3094 the force will never be balanced. it’s just a repeating pattern. even after the sequels and everything, we never get a solid conclusion.
He says "Qui-Gon always spoke very highly of you." And he says it like his son never was able tp introduce him to his grandson. It's all so heartbreaking.
and then the heartbreak and disappointment when that grandson then rejects him? ugh
@@theacegamingdemon6983 EXACTLY.
I’m ngl, I almost teared up, not lying
Thanks for making me cry tonight 😂
Qui-Gon always spoke very high of him because Obi always had the high ground.
The "I wish he were still alive. I could you his help right now" hits different after Tales of the Jedi. Originally I saw a man that fell and wanted some reassurance on the path he was going, but now it seems more like a cry for help. And the fact that Obi-wan didn't notice it really is gut wrenching. RIP Christopher Lee. Greatest villain of all time.
It IS a cry for help, and Obi-Wan didn't catch it.
I can see the pain at Dooku's eyes.
He definitely empathized with Dooku on what the Jedi Order had become. Qui-Gon Jinn was no fool; he understood that the Jedi had grown soft and blind in their arrogance, and that the Sith were making a return.
I feel like Dooku needed Qui Gons advice more than his help.
He also understood the Jedi don't own the force. They're merely a small piece.
Qui Gon would also have been an amazing influence for Anakin too since he too was unhappy with the state of the Jedi order.
Qui gon was pretty much among the jedi who was quite perceptive of the force and its very nature. The council were dogmatic in their views and anything that didn't otherwise align with what they thought was "right", was considered a threat.
Basically he was the exemplary role of what the jedi should've been.
3 people needed qui gon more then anything. Obi wan, anakin and dooku. Losing qui gon drove dooku to the darkside. Removed the father figure anakin truley needed. Thus his turn to the darkside. And broke obi wan more then people realized. He no longer had someone he could truley open up to anymore. Everyone else was another master. But none of them where his.
Man Qui-Gon seriously made a really big dent to the Jedi order, I wish they made a what if scenario if qui-gon was able to train anakin
Dooku's eyes in this scene alone tell their entire story. His eyes focused in, genuine when he says "Qui Gon always spoke very highly of you". Then the way Dooku looks down to the ground when he says "I could use his help right now", eyes glossy and filled with sadness. It truly was a cry for help. The look of disappointment as he walks away, saddened that Obi Wan was not yet ready to share that moment with him. Obi Wan was simply too young, too immature to understand. Obi Wan will later have to endure a similar grief. Having to walk away from Anakin on Mustafar and again in the Kenobi show, only then would he have had time to reflect on all of his experiences. Qui Gon changed history.
It's mind-blowing the words, "I could use his help right now" did not mean he wanted him to join the seperatists but actually meant he wanted to be saved from this situation and the clutches of Palpatine.
And Obi-wan's reply that he would never "join" him just hammers in the fact that Dooku's path is wrong.
Kenobi show sucks deaddogsballs and is an abomination to anyone with any basic morality.
Qui-Gon never fell to the dark side, so the experiences differ. Dooku left because of the rampant corruption of the Republic and the lack of action and neglect the Jedi took to combat it. He saw the Jedi as blind fools, thus why he left in the first place.
Obi-Wan made the decision to leave Anikan. He practically gave up on him thinking he couldn’t be saved.
The one thing that definitely brings them together was that they felt they lost someone important to them. Both lost Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan lost Anikan.
This is not true. Dooku by no means wanted out of his situation. He truly believed in his cause, he just put his confidence in Palpatine, just as the Republic did, and got swindled. Truth be told, Dooku was right about the Jedi and the corrupt Republic.
@@kalskirata953all interpretations but perhaps it could be seen as almost a separatist movement from the Jedi and sith if Qui-gon Jinn was still there
Dooku wasn't wishing for an ally, that was a cry for help that he had took the wrong path and needed his friend back
Dooku wanted an ally that he could have a connection with, but also trust. He was more of a political idealist than an actual Sith Lord. He didn’t want to go back to the Republic and Jedi, he sought to change them both because he saw the corruption of the Republic and the Jedi backing it.
No you're wrong actually
@@igotbusybeesno you’re wrong actually
@@igotbusybees i like the part where you explained why he was wrong and why we should think he’s wrong
Actually, this is not true. Dooku genuinely believed in his cause and that's in part why his descent into the dark side is so sad because he was actually right about the Jedi Order and the Republic.
Dooku is slowly becoming one of my favourites
Read Jedi Lost ‘cause I wanted to learn more about this character. Sir Christopher Lee’s performance made such a great impact that Dooku ended up my favorite character 😊
Dooku was such a good character. Not pure evil. Just differnt ideals.
True
If only Obi-Wan knew what he really meant
Maan it went over his head didn’t it 😔
Yeah. Obi-Wan just comes off like a fathead in this scene.
“i DoNt BeLiEvE yOu” i love obi wan but he could be really dense sometimes
Dooku: straight up tells obi wan a sith had infiltrated the republic
Obi wan: oh I don't think so
I love obi wan and all but he was one of the major parts in the downfall of the Republic due to his lack of vision or just kinda clear understanding of the bigger picture
I wish Christopher Lee had more time to shine as count Dooku. Even in this little scene you can see how well he portrays the character and we can only imagine what else he could've done with him if he had a few more scenes. Such a great actor.
Watch the clone wars it may be animated, but it's not for kids lol.
@@patrickmcmanus7973he only voiced him in the animated movie I believe not the show that was Corey Burton
People never pay attention to the fact that just because Dooku is technically a Sith, he was never an evil person. He was just a scared and broken man searching for a cure, a lot like Anakin.
This is made very clear in tales of the jedi, kind of hoping for a tales of the sith
Yeah I always thought of him as a man willing to do anything to achieve his goal, which included following a sith master, but never fully trusting him and succumbing to his manipulation.
Anakin was alot more vulnerable to sidious since palpatine influenced Anakin since he was a boy.
in clone wars he was evil asf
@@fringeanomaly9284 right in the movies and totj he doesn't seems that bad but in cw he's evil af lol
He was evil. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Such a great actor. We miss you.
Dooku was the most honest dude who held a red saber.
Agree
Bro manipulated Grievous
“Qui-Gon would never join you”
That’s not what I said...
Guessing he just wants advice
He just wanted to be leveled back out by his apprentice who he thought of as a son.
He just misses the homie
“Qui Gon would never join you”
Dooku: *I know….I know.*
"If he were still here... he wouldn't have to."
He never said join he was asking for guidance from his old Padawan because he is torn by his actions
Rest in piece to a phenomenal actor, Christopher Lee
Sir Christopher Lee embodied every role with grace, dignity, and integrity.
When he said he needed help, it wasn't so much as a join as he needed advice, guidance. He knew Qui-Gon had a very special attachment to the force and that was why he was the first force ghost
Remember when Star Wars had layers and layers of heartfelt story you could go back to year after year.
“I could use his help right now”
Was one of the most sad and solemn things said in all of Star Wars. No ego, no pomposity. Just sadness for his lost friend.
Now Star Wars is just “MEN BAD”
I wasn't old enough to understand what they were talking about at the time but I was old enough to understand Dooku was sad about something. Knowing now, it only hurts more.
Dooku would've never turned, had Qui-Gon Jinn survived.
He had clearly already turned even with Qui-Gon alive.
He was already a Sith Lord by Episode 1.
@@lynnerose7891 Dooku wasn't true sith. He didn't have the sith eyes, he never fully committed to the dark side.
@@lynnerose7891 dooku was more of a gray jedi, willing to use the dark side without it fully consuming him
@@jacobhartman1091dooku never had sith eyes
@@zacqueeentertainment7336 He did like 3 times in the clone wars.
Christopher Lee's acting here is superb and legendary. You can really see the burden and tragedy behind his sad face. You can feel how difficult his situation was while portraying as the supposed to be villain
My favourite part of the Star Wars franchise as it currently stands is their amazing ability to retroactively add further nuance to already established scenes
For those that didn’t watch Clone Wars; Dooku had disagreements with the Jedi Order for a long time, but Qui-Gons death is what finally pushed him over the edge.
Its late but he left the order before qui gons or they changed it i dont know. I dont remember totj to well but thats how it used to be.
Dooku was a political idealist by description, and so naturally was wanting to pull away. He had even maybe started pulling away, but wasn't fully committed to the choice. Qui Gon's death committed him.
It kind of parallels how, with Anakin, Ahsoka kept him sane and was truly a partner for him during much of the clone wars. When she left the order, that was one of the big wedges between Anakin and the rest of the order. Things grew from there@@grienardus12
Am I the only one who thinks when Dooku says "I could really use his help right now," Dooku really means "I'm in too deep & lost myself, I no longer know who I am anymore."
And I wonder what Qui-Gon would tell him if he was there.
The beauty of prequels compared to the sequel trilogy is that things are open to interpretation so that others could add it upon later to make it all more fulfilling.
That’s exactly what he means. You even see it in the flashback when he was a Jedi, he’s different- but as a Sith, he’s broken and needs guidance from his former student.
@@DatboiDemonX awesome! I fully agree! Maybe Palpatine manipulated events to ensure Qui-Gon dies
@@Killgore-ip2yq exactly!!!
He also just didn't know what to do. He lost himself and lost his way and wanted things to be right. He was lost entirely, knew it, and didn't know how to fix it. He just wanted to fix things and didn't know how...
The Dooku Arc of Tales of the Jedi was incredible. It really understood Dooku as a character and managed to tell a story that enhanced his movie and Clone Wars scenes
When Dooku said "im Afraid" i literally teared up 😢😢😢
Count dooku was such a underrated sith lord he was knowledgeable and wasn't consumed with rage and hate but had control of it
Dang scene hits different now that I can understand it
Now that we got the story 20 years later
@JB 400years Huh? That stuff was still there in the movie lol they just made a cartoon showing it.
@@sikid4000 I'm talking about when I was a kid 20 yrs ago. And couldn't understand the subtext of a man with PTSD battling his morality to choose between good and evil
@@Mr.Bimbpleton Yeah ik wasn't replying to you
@@sikid4000 oh ye sorry
Dooku is that one kind of anti hero that everybody loves and respects.
I don’t think he entirely meant that he wanted Qui-gon to join him he seemed to , no matter the circumstances, respect and found true friendship in him and while yes he’d want him to join I feel like he was also longing for another conversation with his good friend hoping he’d give him advice and guidance like only a brother could
Qui Gon was actually like a son to Dooku, he practically raised him.
@@GodhandPhemto it’s a similar dynamic he still held him in very high regard
I think dooku fell out of the light when Palpatine had his padawan killed.
I think dooku just longs for his company.
Its pretty clear dooku is not as far into the dark as Darth maul, or even as anakin. He's just a frustrated man that got manipulated by Palpatine.
@@gentlemanbrain5829 you sir are correct
Congratulations here’s your award :🥇🏆
He didn't want him to join the darkside but rather help him save the light.
I love how Christopher Lee’s feeling towards the loss of his padwan fits so well with the feeling of the Tales of the Jedi series even though they were years apart and out of order.
His eyes tell a million stories... great actor!
I knew this scene was DEEP even when I was young I had always Saw Dooku as a man who was doing what he thought was right even knowing he was a villian... And the tales of the Jedi really supported this idea for me.
At that moment in time, Dooku had turned his back on the Jedi Order, because he believed it to be corrupt ... and he was right!
But he had not yet come to understand just how much worse Palpatine would turn out to be.
It is like that old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Lol no you didn't. Dooku was written so poorly and barely in the movies.
he had a lot of legends material@@VirtuaSavage
Honestly, with the way Dooku is with Obi Wan here, makes me think that part of him did not want it to be that way and honestly still wished to help the Jedi defeat The Sith, he just wanted to forge his own path
Dooku probably had a plan to over throw palatine in the end. But you know anikin got a head of that plan
At that moment in time, Dooku had turned his back on the Jedi Order, because he believed it to be corrupt ... and he was right!
But he had not yet come to understand just how much worse Palpatine would turn out to be.
It is like that old saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
Qui-gon actually presented the greatest threat to palpitine, even more so then yoda, since he was especially adept with force prophecies and energy he already sensed the disturbances on the force as early as his time with Dooku. He also had a better understanding of the force than the Jedi Council did (which obviously became a bastardization of what they once were) He was on to Sidious and he wanted to save Anakin from his destiny but couldn’t
He's the best moments in Star Wars when we get those real deep intimate conversations and we see these people as just that people not good guys bad guys or one dimensional characters.
Blinded by rage, Obi-Wan didn’t see Dooku’s pain for Qui-Gon nor the the empty feeling of loss
As I grew older I didn't see Dooku as a villain, but just a man that genuinely wanted change in the Galaxy for the better. His means may have been extreme, but the guy still cared.
Exactly what he was. Dooku was an honest pragmatist who saw through the corruption of the Jedi and the Republic.
Changing the galaxy for the better by leading separatist alliance that randomly burned colonies, used assassins, forced planets to join their force, used slavery. Much better than the republic indeed.
@@kalskirata953Would be also nice if he has seen his own corruption and corruption of the CIS he was leading
It's crazy how music can change a scene so much
Whats the Song called?
@@christaronaldo1129 song’s name is chamber of reflection - your anxiety buddy
Check put the vacations young starwars
@lorenzo de clopper it's by mac Demarco
Out of all the shows and movies I’ve ever seen, there has never been anything on tv that gives me as much emotions as Star Wars does. Star Wars really makes you search for the beauty of life in the story. Everywhere and everyone is touched by darkness and heartbreak.
I believe dooku. The tone of his voice, the look in his eyes...you can't fake that! 😪
Dooku.
A man who foresaw the end result of the Jedi order (becoming a group of enforcers for the Republic), missing a beloved college who helped balance his thoughts and gave great advice in times of hardship, succumbing to the dark side in an attempt to preserve what he thought was the real world.
It all feels like a very major foreshadowing of Anakin becoming Vader after trying to do the very same things.
Christopher Lee wasn't just great as Dooku, he was great as just about anything he was cast in. A master of his craft and he is sorely missed.
Indeed
When he Dooku said, "I could use his help right now." He meant mentally help him not as an ally to the sith or the Dark Side.
You're right, but I think Obi-Won misinterpreted Dooku's meaning when he said he could use Qui-Gon's help as them joining together because Obi-Won believed Dooku was the Sith Lord the Jedi had been searching for, not knowing there was another in Sidious. That's because Sidious was using Force Clouding to hide himself from the Jedi.
I agree! I think it was a call for help because he was in internal conflict. Not because he wanted him to join the dark side.
It was, Dooku was still not fully embraced with the dark side in AOTC, he was still conflicted and he really did mean he could use help to come back from the dark side.
Obi-Wan just did not understand and since they never met before he did not know light side good Dooku making it impossible for Obi-Wan to be that life line.
'I wish he were still alive. I could use his help right now..'
Goddamn, Lee's delivery is nothing short of amazing. He genuinely sells the pain of a father who lost his son.
It's that look he gave him as he walked away , spoke the truth 😊
Dooku deserves his own show, his life was very interesting
Honestly Dooku saying "I could use his help right now" sounds more like a plee for help to get out of the darkness he's in rather than wanting to convince him to join the dark side. (Edit: Jesus I was not expecting this comment to blow up 0,0 1.5k likes thanks 😅)
Well said
@@investlikeawarrior thanks lol, idk just the way he says it and doesn't respond to Obi-Wan, just looks at him with sadness, quietly sighs, then turns around and walks out slowly.
Yeah I’ve allways seen it as him saying he just wants his friend back for spiritual council
100% he asks for help, not assistance in evil or a partner in crime, help from his young innocent student.
Agreed
Sheesh the actor never make an scene with Liam nesson in this movies but he can show the most deepest sadness when his character remembers his old friend
Truly a Masterpiece of acting
0:39 -- that extremely sorrowful eyebrow gaze speaks a thousand words.
What a brilliant actor for such *just RIGHT* role...
Legendary gentleman and legendary actor. May he rest in peace.
This made me cry. Such a sad story and the relationship between Master and Padawan.
One of my favorite characters.
"I could use his help"
Palpatine sensed Dooku's apprehension and allowed him to be killed
It's oddly haunting when you look back at these moments, you can see the love he had, had towards Qui Gon and the pain you can see in his face as well as his eyes, I don't think he ever got over it.
Dooku is such an interesting character. There is so much more grey area to him than just light vs dark.
I always loved the CW episode where Dooku, Obi-Wan & Anakin are held hostage by the pirates I appreciated the respect they both have when talking to each other that I think stems from their mutual appreciation of Qui-Gon Jinn
I liked that Obi-Wan managed to catch Dooku as he was falling.
Goddamn dude Christopher Lee was such a damn good actor you can see how much sorrow he feels when thinking about Qui-gon
Crazy how a death changes a timeline so much
When I first saw Count Dooku, I immediately liked him, and I was about 5 years old at the time...
He wasnt looking for Qui-gon to join, more like he needed him to talk sense into him. Everyone holds that one person in thier hearts who's "thier voice of reason" for Dooku, it was most likely his apprentice. Star Wars is really heavy on the student-master dynamics i love it.
Rest in Peace, Sir Christopher Lee
I kinda wish Jedi Master Dooku was seen or at least mentioned in TPM to connect all 3 films more. RIP Sir Christopher Lee, he was a legend in every sense of the word.
That look Dooku gave Obi-Wan at the end said everything, Qui-gon may not have joined him in the dark but he could have helped Dooku return to the light.
That side eye spoke a thousand words
Such amazing acting, you can really hear the sadness in his voice, especially when he takes a deep breath before saying “I could really use his help now.”
Now it makes me feel so arrogant thinking back watching this scene as a kid that he wanted Qui-Gon to join him. But actually to give him a way back to the light. And Christopher Lee is such a brilliant actor that without even knowing what the context was you can see that emotion. Absolutely incredible.
The line "I could use his help right now" has a whole new meaning when you realize he wasn't talking about Qui Gon being the one to change heart
I always viewed this scene as Dooku tugging at Obi-wan's emotions to try and get him to join Dooku, but ultimately insincere, but now it feels like Dooku felt genuinely lost and wished for Qui-gon's guidance...
When he says i could use his help rn he didnt mean he wanted him to join the dark side....he wants him to conivince himself to come back to the light
“They grow up so fast our students.” I don’t know why but when Count said those words that touched my heart.
Great actors speak volumes with their eyes. Love they depicted that in the anime series as well.
Sir Christopher is the best
Seeing Dooku fall in Tales of the Jedi was just heartbreaking! The seen where he reminisces by the tree, so sad. It’s too bad Qui-Gon couldn’t survive
After watching the TALES of JEDI.. and seeing this scene again after so many years,
brings a different perspective on dooku and his fall on the dark side.😢😢
When you know someone better than their best friend.
“I could use his help right now” used to come across as trying to play on Obi-Wan’s compassionate side, but after TotJ, I now see it as a genuine struggle between the light and dark for Dooku
Christopher lee nailed that delivery
When Obi Wan says “Qui Gon Jin would never join you”, the look Dooku gives him back says “I know” imo
RiP to one of the great ones, may the force be with you always.
Obi-wan is just too lawfully good
God it’s video mashups like these that really show how well the new show feeds into established lore making the classic that much more powerful.
Christopher lee saying those lines is the best