My main issue with Lila is that the writers have to dumb everyone around her down in order for her schemes to work. The writers think they are making a smart character but her plans would fall apart if the other characters gave any of her lies any thought for more then zero seconds. And what is her motivation for doing…anything?! She hates the main character fine but why go out of your way to ruin her life? It is like Lila has a personal vendetta against Marinette other then being an alternate love interest. And It is one thing for her to have multiple identities, I can buy that. But her having multiple families?! She has at least 3 different “mothers” all within the same city I presume. One them is probably her biological mother but I cannot explain the other two. Even if she was adopted by the others, there has to be some kind of paper trail somewhere. I really hope her character and motivations get more fleshed out in S6 onward. But for me, she is way too shallow of an antagonist to care about
I have a feeling they’re gonna try to give her some kind of traumatic backstory to make us feel bad for her, like how they tried to do with Gabe. The problem is: it’s too little too late. I’m more than likely not going to care once that gets revealed.
Even Gabriel as spastic as he is didn’t require the rest of the cast to be dumbed down for him to work as a villain. The universe being reset basically gives the show a good opportunity for her to demonstrate a decent level of competency and make her character make sense.
I know. She's basically a Villain Sue. Plus, it seems like her multiple identities/families were added to make her seem more complex or a "chess master" but it just comes across as contrived bad writing.
She feels a bit simple for the next villain. As far as we know, she doesn't even have a wish to make, so her motivation would simply be revenge. This could be done correctly (hold Ladybug accountable for her mistakes, allow Chat Noir more time in the spotlight), but IDK if the writers are up for it.
My issue with Lila is how unlikeable she is and how transparent her lies are. I would've enjoyed an arc where Ladybug feels responsible for the events of "Volpina" and Lila making Zoe lie more to alienate herself from her classmates while making Lila look good by comparison.
Truly, Lila's lies were so ridiculous that the fact that people fell for those lies was enough to make your braincells die one by one out of frustration at the sheer stupidity of it all. I mean there are those moments when a character lies but it's obvious to a point that it's funny, however, in Lila's case, her lies so ridiculous and obvious that it was more annoying than funny, and the fact people fell for those ridiculous lies was infuriating especially when it got to the point that Alya of all people knew who Ladybug was but she still believed every word that came out of Lila's mouth.
@@estebangutierrez160 Considering how nice most of the class is, it'd make sense if Lila made small lies and the class believed her because they had no reason to distrust her.
Lila: Ladybug is my best friend. Alya who is Ladybugs best friend and knows ladybug hates Lila Alya: Marinette your being ridiculous, Lila isn't a liar. Adrien your just saying she's a liar cause you love Marinette.
She HAS to be a better Butterfly user than Gabriel, the heroes got way more experience under their belt and all other miraculousses are now on the good side. Plot armor will be strong for her.
Honestly, Lila cpming forward with the information about Gabriel is exactly what came to my mind after finishing Season 5. They SHOULD go for that storyline. It would make for a GREAT season.
Yeah that’s the problem lol. They should do that because it WOULD make for a great season. But this show only went downhill from each new season, I don’t see how they‘d fix their abysmal writing any time soon
Some delicious dramatic irony. Of all the lies told and schemes hatched, that the truth would be her greatest victory. And yet, I can't help but feel that the writers might fuck this up somehow.
There is a bit of a problem, when Gabriel made the wish it's like a new universe was created, one were Gabriel was never a villain, which means that technically all the fake info no longer exists, it's what they said in quamis choice I believe, creating a new universe means erasing the previous one and that means that gabriels past ceased to exist It would be great if she managed some of her lies in order to make everyone believe Gabriel is bad tho, assuming all the proof she has still exists and wasn't deleted as the wish came
At this point I've made my opinion of Lila very clear but honestly if her opening act as the new villain is to pull the curtain on the "Gabe was a hero" facade and just smash Maribug's reputation into the ground, my opinion of her will probably do a 180.
That’s what I thought if she is gonna find that truth and spill the tea to the public about him to putting edge maribug as well as ruining her relationship with Adrien. If that things will be real, I’m sure there’ll be many excuses to defend that little creep like they did in Derision. But, this scenario could become a good concept for my fanfic if Chrysalis turning the game
@@Libby_cas I'll finally have a reason to hate her beyond her being a petty little brat who only exists to remind us of how stupid the supporting cast can be. But I'll also have a reason to at least respect her as a villain for actually having the smarts we're supposed to believe she does.
@@Libby_cas That's certainly an opinion to have but you're definitely right that the show hasn't always made the smartest choices narrative wise. That's why I hope this point comes to fruition.
Lila has apparently lied about everything in her life since her first appearance, including her real name. My theory is the one thing she was not lying about was that she is descended from a fox superhero and she came to Paris when Ladybug and Chat Noir first appeared specifically to somehow gain the Miraculous's powers.
But how will the show last one more season if Lila knows Marinette is Ladybug ? Unless Bunnix and Viperion constantly foil Lila's plans when she uses her knowledge of Marinette being LAdybug, I can't see how Marinette won't lose against Lila in the first episodes
Oh I just think she said that because she just got a lot stronger having the butterfly miraculous and - being a multilayered character - will not refrain from using it for her private revenge plot against marinette. Because I totally agree with everything sad in the vid: If she did know Ladybugs identity, it'd be game over. She managed to fool everyone into believing she is a middle school student while also taking high school classes, made everyone hate Marinette and so on... no way being Hawkmoth + knowing Ladybugs identity + having sensible information about Ladybugs Lies about Gabriel being a hero wouldn't mean the immediate game over for Marinette.
@@Honeymuffin EXACTLY ! That's why I'd rather beleive that Lila doesn't know yet that Marinette is Ladybug, and won't discover it in season 6 either. But I'm still worried that just like you said, Lila won't hesitate to also use the butterfly miraculous powers against Marinette on top of using them against Ladybug and Chat Noir. Imagine if Lila could akumatize herself Into Chameleon or Volpina 😨 the damages she could still do to Marinette's reputation and social circle with those powers 😰 A.d the confirmation that season 6 is gonna hurt more than season 5 is making me a lot scared for Mainette 😥
Lila could use her new identity to do the opposite of what she did, instead of trying to destroy Marinete's life revealing who she really is, why not try to be her friend? Or even better, her best friend, being nearby to take advantage of her moments of weakness by pretending to be a good friend, maybe even trying to push Alya and the others away, which would automatically cause problems especially for Alya and it would be the time to prove that she is really Marinete's friend, but now Marinete doesn't want to believe her and not the reverse like before, so Alya and maybe even other characters will need to show that Lila(now as Iris)is taking advantage of Marinete and feel what she felt when no one believed her. Let's not forget that it was because of pressure that Marinete revealed her identity, so even if Lila doesn't know this, Alya knows, so she would have to resolve this as quickly as possible to prevent the same thing from happening again.
I just hope they‘ll give Lila an understandable backstory as to why she behaves the way she does. Why she has multiple mothers, where she actually came from, how she grew up and most importantly: what she‘d gain from fighting against Ladybug & Cat Noir. If they‘ll stick to her only hating Ladybug because she exposed her lies, it‘d be kinda lame ngl
I have a strong impression that in most episodes we won't just have a weekly Akumatized, but rather an Akumatized HOLDERS, Lila will now keep an eye on the holders in civil and she's going to try to Akumatize one by one every day, maybe she intends to do an event where she Akumatizes Ladybug's entire team and forces Ladybug herself to face her own team? Or maybe just an attempt to discover the identities of each bearer or obtain the Miraculouses one by one? Who knows
Lila is honestly one of my fav characters in the series. She’s so mysterious. While we watch Gabe fail when he could’ve used his own powers to probably save his wife, we don’t know Lila’s endgame. What is she trying to do? And the fact that she manages to manipulate everyone (despite how outlandish her lies get), I just want to know where they go with that. So I hope she returns to cause more chaos.
Lila is one of those characters who is good but the writing AROUND HER ruins her image. At least in s6, the other people won’t be dumbasses to Lila while she maintains her manipulative tactics
I'm glad you also doubt that Lila discovered Ladybug's secret identity in Re-creation, because I also thought that Lila knowing that Marinette and Ladybug are one and the same would mean an immediate defeat for our heroin. It was always game over everytime Gabriel discovered that his son was Chat Noir, so somoene like Lila who can manipulate Marinette's friends and family so easily and who knows the truth about Gabriel having been Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch would be able to ruin Marinette and defeat Ladybug if she knew. But according to Timetagger, Ladybug and Chat Noir are still fighting the new butterfly villain at least a decade later, and I very much doubt that Lila wouldn't have managed to defeat them already if she really knew Ladybug's secret identity. That's something that reassure me at least, because with what she already knows Lila is in a position to hurt both MArinette and Adrien in the future, and those two already suffered enough for my taste
@@happyking2895 Ah you're right. Who knows if the future from where adult Bunnix comes from is still the current future of miraculous or if it became an alternate future now that young Bunnix is present and the special Paris will confirm that alternate universe in the lore of miraculous are a thing 🤔
@@happyking2895 But the problem is HOW will the show keeps going with a scenario where Lila knows Ladybug's secret identity ? Now that she has the butterfly miraculous, how could she NOT WIN with such knowledge ?
One theory I've seen about Lila is that she's actually a foster kid who's been bouncing from home to home for the past few years. All of her "moms" are either current or former foster parents of hers, and she just told them all something to the effect of "You're like a real mother to me" and they believed it. The extra identities thing makes sense under that theory too: she can just walk up to a police station with a new name and a new appearance, claiming to be an orphan, and they'll just put her in the foster system without looking too closely at it.
That would actually make sense, given Lila has one of her moms thinking she's a daughter she lost a long time ago, well we don't know for sure if that's a lie or not. Sounds very much like something Lila would do.
Honestly, we they first introduced Lila, she seemed like a one and done character who liked to tell stories, freaked out when she was exposed in front of her celebrity crush and then went out with a dislike for the hero cause she lost her chance with her crush which in is nothing new for some characters who will dislike the protagonist but will admit that they get the job done. Then, they brought her back as an attention seeking, lying, bullying, manipulative witch who liked getting what she wanted, using people pawns and holding grudges over the smallest of slights to the point it borderlined sociopathic. This really boosted viewers' dislike for her with how she maliciously bullied Marinette and probably reawakened people's own bullying experiences to some degree. Now this would have labelled her as the new mean girl at school had they gone through with Chloe's full redemption in the eyes of the viewers but not the rest of the school as she was manipulative but would probably have her house of cards really fall overtime leading up to her final take down. However, a curve ball was thrown and we find out that Lila is a master manipulater to a level that would terrify anyone especially with how young she is when it's revealed that she's fooled everyone even the viewers this whole time when it's revealed that she's not who we thought she was, she's conned at least three women into thinking she's their daughter and we're not sure who exactly the real mother is, and her lying charade goes deeper to a larger agenda. Now, "Lila" is set to be the show's new main antagonist, she's been stalking and targeting Marinette throughout all the way to now probably joining the new school Marinette's going to and we have no clue why she's doing all this and why she's doubling down on her obsession with Marinette in which her motive has evolved from being due to Marinette exposing her lies to something that noone can understand nor explain. So in regards to "Lila", we've been to some things but at the same time we've been told nothing about her as we don't know her past, her identity and her true motive. So it seems like with season 6 going forward, we might get some pieces of information as we go and then we might get some pieces of information that we, the viewers, will find shocking as we'll discover that those random pieces of information might actually be connected to scenes and previous seasons where it might turn out that Lila's story has always been playing out in plain sight but we just didn't know what to look at which will probably bring more questions than answers.
What I don't like about her is that to make her smart they make people dumb so her plan succeed like in adoration when they are told Marinette stole items for ridiculous reasons and Chloe is accusing someone she hates it didn't take a genius to know there's something fishy on it
@@sirinsx8383 considering how far she's willing to keep up her lies to make everyone believe her, is lying about her age really something she wouldn't do?
Did you all notice that Lila/Cerise (or whatever her name is) said "looking forward to seeing you, Marinette... " She didn't say ladybug and/or Chat Noir or anyone else, she only wants Marinette... But why?
Because she REALLY hates Marinette even more than Ladybug due to confrontation. Oh how her blood will boil when she finds out that Marinette and Ladybug are one person 😊
I can just totally see the writers hinting later in Season 6 that Lila did in fact know that Marinette is Ladybug and using plot armor the rest of the way. Lila is clever but the writers so far are not. Plot armor is just going to completely wreck Lila's character and probably backstory.
I think I can forget the stupidity if season 5 finale, if at some time Lila will drop the truthbomb to Adrien about Gabe. Will make for a good link of in-between seasons 5 & 6 and make up for Adrien crying in a box during the finale.
I just KNOW that they’re going to end up going back to the status quo from before Lila was exposed as a liar when she ends up going to the new school in later seasons. And I HATED how Lila seemed to cause the whole class to drop several IQ points in order to make her lies work. If this is how they take her character and how she interacts with the supporting cast, I’m definitely not going to keep watching, especially with Lila definitely being the main antagonist going forwards.
The day lila tells the truth is the day pigs fly. And honestly she's just the worst so no she would never tell the truth. Plus I fear how she got the other mothers to think she was their kid. I do think that she killed the children of the other 2 or 3 moms and took their place
Do I trust that the shows writers can put together a good Ladybug akumatization and Chat Noir angry at Ladybug for lying story? No, but these theories got me excited for the potential of Lila as a villain (at least in the fanfictions TT)
I think she is also a criminal that killed the children of the season 4 to 5 moms kids to take their place. And that this isn't her first time harming people and bulling someone. We might meet her other victims
I really want this to be the route they go down. No way they introduced Lila as some mistress of disguise, and super genius only to do nothing with her
I think you’re spot on about her being an orphan who’s angry at the world. Also I think it would be a great opportunity for the show to let Ladybug take a step out of the permanent spotlight and let other characters have a chance to be the protagonists. Like sure they team up with each other but they only need Ladybug to de-evilize the akumas. They showed that it could work when Marinette was learning about how Felix and Adrien ar Centi-People and when Alya had to realy think on her feet before going into hiding as Renafertive. They are going to different schools I’d love to see an episode where Miss Hound needs to step up and take down a villain herself. Sabrina was a highlight character of season 5 for me when she finally grew a spine and decided she refused to be Cloe’s punching bag anymore.
One and only problem I have with Lila is that she has the same type of plot armor as Marinette and Felix, that is that she can always get out of problematic situation even if its borderline impossible and (almost) always achieve wnat she wants. But yeah I hope she will be more succesful than Gabe. And that she will dump all the secrets about Agreste family on Adrien
Actually the only plot armour I see on Felix is that he looks like Adrien on every other situation is ladybug saving his neck and on pretention letting him go away for no good reason the other times like with the red moon he was actually pretty smart (of course abusing his Adrien looks plot armour)
@@billykaplan9915 No, Felix get some plot armour too. Like Alix or Luka too. The heroes know he knew villain ID, villain knew too, so he should be target for both group. Instead after second episode he get back nearly at the end. And Hawky knowing Luka and Alix knew should target more their families. So yea, plot armour for more. But they cannot compete with Mari, Lila or Gabe.
We definitely will gey some lila lore. If not, she will be a worse villain than gabe (kinda badly written, also douchbag) i have hopes for her. Also need to make ger more likeable, cuz right now whenever Cerise/Lila/wedontknowhername is on screen i just want to turn of the device.
Thats honestly a good theory to be honest. In timetagger Nino's brother was the villain and we know Lila is probably Hawkmoth in the future then in the last part of the episode we saw Lila talking to Chris.
One creepy theory is that Lila is much older than she looks, which is how she has so much skill in disguise and manipulation. I doubt it’s one Disney would go with, but it is unsettling to think about.
Shy cant Layla just create Akumas to help her hide her identity more consistently? Like. Akumatize someone, keep them hostage and have them create something to make her unrecignizable to everyone. Then make them inert.
Also one of her identities is called Iris Verdi. Iris in greek mythology was the goddess of the rainbow and messenger to the greek gods. Lila might be the messenger to Adrien and will reveal the truth to him about his father. She might also reveal the truth to Paris that Ladybug lied about Gabriel
If God forbid, in Season 6,7,8 they give Lila a tragic backstory to make us feel sorry for her and she gets character development and a redemption arc That will prove to me that those writers and the whole team of the Miraculous LB production are absolute, complete idiots that don't know good storytelling if it hit them with a nuke bomb 😑
Lila should not get tragic backstory and redemption arc. I like her (she was my fav character) because of her pettines, jelaous, want be on top and hating of heroine. She was reliable by fact she was manipulant egoistic liar. I don't need another character turn villain. I need some sociopath bi...ch who want everything.
I've been wishing that for Lila and CHloé for so long, but Astruc wants us to know, that kids are unredeemable and big-ass adults are 🤡 I know in rl there will always be people, that won't change their ways, but it's for the goal audience a wrong lesson.
Smarty pants, video idea: ranking all miraculous when it comes to being hidden, basically, who would look at the miraculous and find out. For starter the peacock is easily shown, even in camouflage mode, someone can notice it and find out the identity
I am pretty sure Adrien/Chat Noir will end up learning about his father in one way or another. Keeping it secret from him seems like a waste to me, he already accepted that he wasn't a good father for him after last episodes of season 5. So accepting Gabriel being a bad guy wouldnt be as hard as it was in Chat Blanc. But it would cause him to distrust Ladybug which is a story material.
I know in representation they made the perfect build up of him facing Gabriel and the speech of Gabriel trapping him and his mother death would have been better with Adrien saying it and even though yes they would need to reveal their identities for that they could have Roosterbold erase their memories of their secret identities and move on to season 6 this people have lots of good tools at their disposal and forget about them even the peacock could do a sentímonster to make them forget
I hope he gets to be angry at Ladybug because of her hiding this information from him for more than just a single episode. It‘d be so incredibly lame if he‘d learn that his father, the literal main villain for 5 seasons straight, was Monarch at the end of one ep and then 20 minutes later he‘d be like „Oh ok I forgive you“ Also Adrien does think that his father was a good person in the end, because LB told him that „he helped her defeat Monarch“
My biggest issue with Lila is how the narrative has to bend over backwards for her for all these characters to just blindly believe everything that she says. There is never an explanation for this nor does she work to build this reputation on screen for the audience to understand why that is. And honestly it makes Marinette's friends look shitty for never believing her, especially Alya who knows she's ladybug. Does she have some kind of magic power or something?!
iI mean to be fair marinette also believed lila did all those amazing things originally as well...lila was able to fool the school about why she was out....to the point she was allowed to skype in class from that place...which WE know was a lie but does sound legit when the teachers also believes it...lila fooled her own mom and the school for MONTHS and if it was false most would assume it would have come out by then so its not weird the students would believe that factor is the teachers never caught on.... and lots of the class have done cool things or known cool people so they have no reason to doubt lila...max's mom isgonna work as nasa and runs the train, alya's mom runs that famous resteraunt and she owns the ladyblog and her dad works at the zoo, rose got to hang out personally with prince ali, marinette has impressed jagged stone, gabriel agreste and chloe's mom, max has gone a gaming tournament and made a robot and there is legi magic around them in the battles...nd unlike chloe lila actually does seem nice at first glance...and it makes sense why the students would believe the teachers on this...especially when mari never actually gives them the context about WHY mari doubts lila(mari followed adrien and saw her steal the book and her eleborate scheme to trick adrien with the necklace and lila bad mouthing ladybug). we see mari try but lila was smart and got mari's emotions hyped up so mari actually never realizes she never actually got that context across...and as far as them knew mari never met lila before and mari HAS judged people a bit quickly...like adrien and kagami where her first impression wasbnt right about them. and mari WAS actually jealous and belueved lila's lies as well at first and alya knows this because mari legit told alya that they need to do something or adrien might get stolen away because mari doesnt think she can compete with that. with most of the girls knowing about a few of mai's schemes and how mari can be a bit insecure around certain amazing people she think adrien could like...like kagami for example...which took a while but mari di become friends with. and lila was smart that even when she deflected mari trying to out her she never made it seem likelila had bad feelings for marinette herself...and lila did actually lay low and never actually did anything targetting marinette til the episode where she lied to set mari up for being suspended. and lila took advantage that marinette couldnt hide her dislike of her. like YES we know mari was right about alot of it...but on the other end the reason mari assumed moer of those were lies was becasue marinette personally didnt like her...some of them mari didnt actually have proof about it being a lie and the ones where mari found inconsistences lila used how mari's motive was to get lila in trouble against mari since motive CAN be important. and mari who knows lila is sketch has trouble seeing from the view of the people who DON'T know she is sketch...and motive can be hard to prove...like how mari was understandably sure lila was responsible for etting her expelled but she didnt have proof which is kindof important when lila has pretended to be nice that entire time and hadnt actually done anything outwardly sketchy mari could bring up....even that time with her lying to get into adrien's house and sending out that pick to mess with kagami she could argue she was just trying to be friendly and didnt know how kagami would have reacted and most other kids would have lied to hang with adrien as a friend in his house isnt inherently bad....proving her motive is bad can be difficult. My issue is they could just point to how lila actually uses how marii get emotional about things and uses mari's temper against her and uses how there ARE actual legit reasons to not take mari always at face value...but point out how the class is still on mari's side...but lila makes mari believe thats not the case or that its black and white...so mari stops trying to tell the others when she is calmer and more convincing...or point to how alot of mari's evidence she knows becuase she is ladybug. honestly if lila had taken mari's actual olive branch when lila lied her back into the school....I'm pretty sure mari would have been tricked as well..becuase the only reason mariis so sure is becuase she IS ladybug and saw the lie situaton with volphina and then was more personally upset about ehr seat being moved and didnt place the blame where it should have been(on her firends not explaining things to her properly and eciding stuff without her) and how mari hadnt known they never planne for the seat change to be permanent
what's interesting is that we have seen so many moments that ladybug (and sometimes the world) is doubting herself but you know who is always there to reassure her. Chat Noir. If the truth about ladybug and gabriel gets revealed, not even chat noir will be able to be the same towards her (because he's adrien and is obviously deeply affected) . I want this so much to happen because i believe it's about time for adrien/chat to shine as a character and i really hope they'll do him justice after the s5 finale. And ESPECIALLY after s4 and how he was treated, i want all that build up to explode
Lila has potential to be a more competent villain than Gabe, but she's a much worse villain than he is. I mean, come on, her motivation is literally just a petty beef with Marinette and Ladybug. What's her reason to terrorize the city? At least Gabe did that to lure the heroes out so he can make his wish. Heck, even Chloe has better reason to terrorize the city after Revolution. Lila lacked the basic requirement of a villain, and that's saying something
I hope Lila can tell adrian the truth about his father because Marinette was such an idiot of lying to him in Season 5 finale as they never gave him a chance of confronting Gabriel and with Thomas is out of the show for good because he basically a parent who favourites one child and abuse the other. The fact is he named Marinette's dad after his nqme and have the mom to appear a chinese because of an ex who is one.
I know I feel that Adrien saying that speech about how Gabriel trapped him and how he made peace with his mother's death would have been way more satisfying and would be the perfect close up to that
Please stop about this false rumour about Chloe.. they are literally no proof about this "bullie" thing. Thomas Astruc wanted just his character to be written like that from the start. 😑
I think Lila Found out Hawkmoths identity at the end of season 2. When Gabe de-transformed on the eiffel tower. She was there and could easily see him.
It's funny that you mentioned the time travel stuff because many people on Instagram, Twitter (or X, however you call it), and Reddit theorize that "Lila" is Manon from the future. After all, they look the same when you look at their natural hair and eye color, and the way she got there is because of Timetagger. The one thing I am hoping happens is that "Lila" tries to befriend Marinette and isolates her from her friends by telling lies, mentioning the past where they believe someone who is a stranger over her while assuming why Marinette didn't like "Lila" is because of jealousy and create more trust issues for Marinette that can ruin her life. That is what I am hoping happens, but who knows.
I feel like this is actually it. Like, it would be so poetic, because Manon got introduced in the beginning of season 1 and Lila got introduced at the end of season 1. I feel like the beginning and end of the season comes full circle, as it is hinting that they're the same people.
ive never been too sold on lila's antagonism against ladybug and marinette, for the pure reason that it really just felt like she just speedran having a "deep hatred" for ladybug for the sake of setting her up as an antagonist with a personal connection to the hero, like how gabriel has a deep connection with adrien as his father. she just kinda shows up, everyone inexplicably stupidifies around her and she manipulates everyone into thinking marinette/ladybug is the devil, and its resolved at the end. she could definitely be interesting if the writers decide to go the way that you mentioned in the video, but i feel like they have a bit of a tendency to present new info or story elements for the sake of narrative drive, and then just... dismiss it. i feel like the more realistic choice at this point would just be that she, like gabriel, wants the miraculous to make a wish, and she just doesnt make use of any of her accumulated resources because they forgot she had them until it was too late. obviously it wouldn't make sense for her to do that, but it's not like the show hasn't been notoriously dismissive of things like this before. if anything, they're pretty famously negligent of this kind of thing (e.g. completely dismissing luka immediately after him spilling the beans about his knowledge of the leads' identities).
In my opinion, I feel like somewhere along the lines, Lila is gonna tell Adrien that his father was Monarch. Because I didn't like the fact in Recreation that Marinette lied to him and Gabriel told her not to tell HIS own son he was the villian. And I also have a strange feeling that Lila is somebody's half sister just like Zoey is to Chloe. Can't wait to see how this plays out. Ready for Season 6.
I felt like that's exactly the reason they did all of that and didn't close the story as they should. Lila will tell everyone the truth weakening their trust in ladybug
@@negrofuego960 Why so many people is hard to Argos? He wasn't evil and I know his romance with kagami is shit but the guy at least had the excuse that he was secluded and needed guidance
If the dynamic with Lila is still the same, being an utterly ridiculous pathological liar who requires most of the cast to have the IQ of a kindergartner to work, then she won’t change a thing. The universe being reset gives the writers a new opportunity to make her at least somewhat competent and endearing. I don’t need another AntiChrist Chloe.
For 8 years since she came around, we were all fooled by her disguise the whole time as well as her fake name. My theory could be she’s a century old sentimonster because she never removed her bracelets in her disguises. Maybe someone created her with the emotion of deception to have her lie all the time without sincerity or honesty. My second theory is that maybe she’s the firstborn daughter of Gabi Grassette but was maybe abandoned by him when she was just a baby and that Gabi changed his name to Gabriel Agreste to lie his way to become a fashion designer to get rich. How else is there a connection when she found out his secrets? It could somehow connect with her past life. And why she never revealed her actual real name? That’s a mystery. Maybe it might foreshadow in the future of what her truthful and real name is. Maybe her last name is Grassette but it’s never been confirmed yet until the foreshadow. Both Gabriel and Lila are somehow connected like they are alike with lying, changing their names, manipulating anyone to get what they want, and use people as pawns. Since Gabriel is now dead, it would the last of his family origin but somehow, what if he’s not and he has a pure human last descendant which is Cerise?
When it comes to an established hero who has been a hero for a while, I would rather a "Lone Hero Against the World" scenario to not happen, not generally a fan of that trope at all unless the hero is in their early days. I'm currently watching Spider-Man: The Animated Series and it happened during Season 2, and I found myself really annoyed & pissed off that all of New York suddenly turned on Spider-Man without even thinking about it, like he was only a hero for a few weeks or a few months. Its like if he was in Primary School and was bullied for something he didn't do and nobody defended him.
If Jeremy zag manage to make Lila a good villain. I'll give him my life. Not literally. Because now when Thomas isn't the leader of the miraculous ladybug team that means they can finally make a good miraculous ladybug season.
Even tommy manchild wasn’t the leader, it doesn’t mean his influence is going to gone. Cannot be surprised, if he pushes the other writers to make Chloe look even worse in season 6 🥱
Even though they wrote her wrong, it’s clear that Lila is a dark empath, which does explain a lot of things that she does. Her narcissistic behavior with classes makes sense because dark empaths are part narcissist.
The way Lila found out about Monarch is still puzzling. Also, her getting exposed somehow made things worse, but I won’t deny that it was extremely satisfying. She will be a better Hawkmoth and she will get her final comeuppance.
The setup of Lila using the information and proof she gathered to reveal who Hawk Moth really was and that Ladybug lied to everyone is so clearly set up that I'd be more shocked if they don't go forward with that. Having the reveal that Gabriel was actually evil is the only reason I can think of for the writers to go through with having him remembered as a hero for now. I have been kinder to the finale due to the expectation that they had it go that way for future developments, I am looking forward to see whether and how they pull it off.
For some reason, I decided that in my AU, Lucia (Lila) would use the blatant lies Lila says and turn them into inside jokes, which are really just her talking about her crimes in a more subtle way. Like, when Lila says that she is in a movie, for Lucia, that meant that she killed a group of people.
But I still don't think the writers would use that tag, "Lila use truth against Marinette". Sad, because it would be most interesting thing in the show and could made Lila dangerous, especially it will be only her against whole hero team.
What should happen is merranet feels guilty about lying to adrein so sue revels to him who she is then adrein gets angry and then acumotized into cat blonck and acadentally kills Alya with his cataclysm cause she knew so after he gets deacumatized they have to find a way to save Alya and lyla presents some deal ?
I'm hoping that they actually give character development to not all but the five main heroes (cat, ladybug, turtle, fox, and bee) that would allow for a more dynamic story than the static one we had. Make Adrien learn the truth about Hawk Moth and gosh I'm hoping Lila's transformation merges the colors of Volpina and The og Hawk moth. I want a mothra colored super hero lol
Whatever direction they're going to take Lila's character in future seasons, I just hope it's enough to justify her being the main villain all the way into their adulthood.
Lila as a character, i never cared about her she was just a plot device used to higher the stakes in a episode season 3 was supposed (key word being supposed) to make lila a threat but since the writers doesn't take her seriously they just ignored her in season 4 except in penalteam and strikeback. She's a sociopath who fakes real life disabilities and manipulates people to get things her way. ( Of topic but Miraculous ladybug should end. I know but someone just had to say it. Hawkmoth is defeated, Adrienette is canon, Marinette got all the miraculous back, It should end. I'm guessing the only thing holding back the show from ending is the ladynoir reveal.)
They not use Lila potential, especially in S3, when episodes like Ladybug show how threat can she be to the heroes. Good nemesis to main heroine and a supporter of main villain. But made her main villain is for me totally stupid, because for that they must give her plot protection, made villain sue (like they do). And I agree, the show should end at this point, after defeat Gabe and reveal. I cannot see how they continue to made plot interesting for audience older than ten.
The thing I found most fascinating about lila was she clearly WILL go far when it comes to her lies and getting what she wants...like how she stole adrien's book when she realized he was interested in ladybug and heros and got a necklace made to look just like a miraculous from the book to trick him...but also we know it was a bit of a impulsive move from her as she fumbled a bit when he went to check his bag and threw the book in the garbage can..but it also weirdly parallel's marinette's own tendacy to do schemes. I also like how mari kindfo did create this villian in lila because YES mari gets the bonus better motive of not liking lila because she lies to her friends and said lies about ladybug to make herself lookbetter by comparison...I actually like how mari was intially motivated by her more personal jealous feeling when it comes to lila and ehr tendancy to judge quickly...because marinette very much WAS jealous of lila and that had been her motive fro humiliating lila the way she did infront of adrien...to make sure adrien wouldnt be interested. even more when lila appeared in class again way later with the whole switcharoo with seats..while its true lila was a bit sneaky using pity to make the other kids feel bad for her when she exagerated that mari didnt want her there.....arguably the REAL issue was how mari's friends hadnt told mari about why they were doing the seat change and forgot to tell mari that they never planned for the seat change to be permanent...and mari had chose to blame all of that on lila. I actually REALLY like the idea that adrien was right...that lila might think lying is the only way for her to make connections and get attention and that by trying to out lilathe way mari was trying to do it wouldnt actually fix the situatuion entirely and it would make lila feel cornered and more defensive to defend herself and take down the persom trying to out her. now lila was the one who assumed mari was against her still at the end of the episode...but I do thik it was interesting that marinette never actually genuinely went along with adrien advice until lila lied mari back into school where mari actually meant the olive branch that time. I also think lila actually brought out one of mari's flaws in that mari tends to see things a bit simply at times and struggles to put herself in other peoples choes sometimes...like WE know marinette is right about lila...but mari tends to struggle to realize that even when her friends dont agree with her on something it doesnt mean thyearent on mari's side..and mari forgets her friends dont have context....like the show acts from mari's view that its dumb that others believe lila over mari for some things...but it makes sense since mari HAS gotten jealous and can jump to conclusions about people early...lke kagami and adrien...or like how when lila pinned mari for stuff...alya WAS on mari's side but was looking for evidence and didnt initially want to put it all on lila...which mari got upset by because whilemari was right she just wanted someone to back that factor up.....and yet adrien was actually the one to resolve it. I actually REALLY hope adrien steps up with lila as the bad guy because I actually REALLY like how adrien handles her. he actually thinks things through a bit more with lila and actually noticed more of the really bad stuff(like when she tried to pretend she was hurt to keep chat helping her instead of letting him go and help ladybug)(and how he expereinced the way she lied which got nathalie and gorilla and hurt kagami before)... also arguably lila thought she was convincing gabe...she thought she was taking advantage of a grieving paranoid man who is worried about his son by providing him intel about adrien from school where she was trying to isolate adrien and make herself seem like the only good influence....playing on gabe's paranoia and want to be a good dad who is dealing with his son not being homeschooled for the first time. hence why she was able to scheme her way into becoming a secondary model with adrien...which she then used how adrien agreed not to out her bullshit to his dad if she got mari back into the school pronto with a threat bribe. while WE know gabe wasnt ACTUALLY fooled by her but he pretended he was and he let her stay around because he could sens eshe could be used to make more akumas and he found it interesting she hated ladybug. its also kindof interesting because she wasnt wrong here that gabe is hawkmoth and that ladybug is lying to the public about it which could cause problems with the actual truth. I think it salso fascinating that lila does still want adrien for clout at least...but she also tends to not take seriously that adrien knows who she is as a person by now...which I actually think could be her downfall. and I think it could be interesting if mari realizes that chloe getting even worse was also lila's influence which mari hadnt noticed. We know the hint that lila is the hawkmoth way in the future since we saw nino's little brother from the future come back akumatized and we saw her planting her influence early on with nino's brother. though there definitly IS alot of drama with the reveal now because even if ladybug felt like she couldnt tell adrien(who deserves to know but he could see why she might feel it was better to hide it)...why would she not tell chat noir? will he get frusterated if he finds out ladybug revelaed herself to his dad or didnt just strait up stop him which eve if his dad went to jail at least he's still be ALIVE? will he blame himself thinking he had had just noticed his dad spiralling? had stepped in sooner himself could he have changed anything? would lila use the fatcors about the mom? Lila though having these other identities definitly feels kindof weird...but could get interesting because i dont think mri actually understands how to handle lila well...but that is were adrien might be able to shine
I feel like they don't reallt know how to write her cause she tends to be written off the show and her motives are hating ladybug and being mad at Marinette. I feel like there was so much they could have done to build her up to be this big of a threat but she really just a school mean girl. I feel like if they leaned into her manipulation with Chloe in earlier seasons that would shown how far and how deep she can impact things. Chloe causes an akume ever 5 days pretty much so no one really would pick up on it if she was playing the long game. Then theres the case with the people in the friend group if we saw her spreading lies and feeding on the insecurities of the friend group. It would make it more believeable for everyone to doubt Marinette then i guess im just mad that there isn't much build up or things they have done with her. Maybe that'll change but as of right now she isnt that well written in my opinion
Lila also knows about Adrien being a senti from the pictures and documents she got from Natalie. It wouldn't surprise me if she tried to steal his rings/amok so that she could control Adrien without him realizing it.
Now this isn’t about Lila, but a theory to what Marrinette’s akumatized object, so from the 3 episodes we seen gabe try to akumatize her, the objects the akuma entered were her purse, some sort of swimming band, and a rose, now the swimming band only seems to be on her when she is at the pool so if the object were to be the swimming band, she would have to be at the pool which isn’t very likely, cus the pool isn’t a common area we see in the series, the rose was given to her by adrien/cat noir, so it’s very unlikely that it would be the rose, so that leaves us with her purse, which is the most likely out of the 3 as the purse seem to always be on her, not only that, is where tiki hides when she and Marrinette are in public, so she might become Princess Justice in season 6 if she does get akumatized as the purse was gonna be the akumatized object if Gabe’s plan wasn’t interrupted, it’s just a theory though, but it does seem the most likely out of the 3 objects
Idea: First Episode: Lila reveals the truth about Gabe being Hawk Moth. Mid season, season finale, or Season 7 first episode, Chat Noir learns Marinette is Ladybug, and they break up. Marinette gets akumatized, but Chat saves her. Fun if this was how Marinette found out too.
All i care about is that Cat Noir get's a *far* larger Spot light in season 6. They already wasted His arc in the first 5 seasons, He needs something. If Ladybug turns evil because of Lila/hawkmoth, and it's up to Cat Noir to actually stand out and be the hero, then great. If Lila reveals ladybug's Lie and this results in the growth Cat Noir needed so badly in the last seasons then so be it. Adrian/Cat Noir needs to take center stage now so he can getthe development he needs. No more second fiddle to Ladybug. Let him take the spot light for a season at least. and please! New powers.
Well here's something interesting what if Lila doesn't have the full butterfly powers due to her either mentally or emotionally not being "grown up" because while Gabe was not only an adult physically he also had the drive and determination to do everything he did with a smile on his face while Lila... just wants to be cool?
That would be awesome. Imagine having the villain get stuck with a 5 minute countdown. They've already established that villains can remain akumatized after the butterfly miraculous holder detransforms, but I don't think the butterfly holder can control them or communicate with them when they aren't transformed. It'd be an interesting limitation for the villain to have.
talking about akumatized ladybug i’d LOVE to have like a “recreated” version of char blanc but for ladybug like they have to go into the future to defeat akumatized ladybug
She seems to want to be on a higher level of class than she is. She is probably of the lowest and has had to lie to get anywhere. I hope that she is not excused. I hope that she is severely punished like Chloe and not redeemed. Bad characters do not always have to change immediately.
I wonder if they’re going to try to develop Lilia into one of the villains Adult Alix talked about in the first time travel episode. Also, based entirely on the side eye Nathanial was giving Lilia in these clips, I really hope he factors into her villain season more. I bet he heard SO MUCH bs sitting next to her, and his face just say “Bitch, I don’t care.”
6:00 I think Lila does know about Ladybug's identity. In the season 5 finale, she says "See you next year, Marinette Dupain-Cheng.." or maybe i have short-term memory loss
If they do have the world turn against ladybug then I hope something like this would happen: some how Alia finds out about a post Lila made under a fake name talking about how ladybug lied about Gabe (mabey some of the students were arguing about it or she just finds it online) and tells Marinette like "lol can yo believe this sh*t!?" And Marinette's all awkward causing Alia to realize it's true causing an argument and falling out
The only thing I want to see in S6 is Ladybug and Cat Noir finding out each other's secret identities. That thread has now been pulled so thin it just isn't funny anymore. They always seem to work out who the accumatised villains are within minutes, but they still haven't worked out who each other is? I mean, c'mon, they're in love now, they know each other better than they ever have, and how many other girls in Paris have dark blue hair tied in twin ponytails?!
The show is gonna go downhill hard in season 6 since Lila is the main villain. Her lies being so transparent completely ruins her because everyone around her has to lose 50 IQ points to fall for anything. Sure, they revealed her to the main cast, but if she gets a new identity I don't have faith the writers won't just do it again with a different identity. Her not having any noticeable goal as well is just... Dumb. Also, her getting the butterfly Miraculous makes no sense from an in world perspective. There was a giant hole, she was at the top of it, the elevator was destroyed, and Marinette was right there. It literally makes no sense. I think her getting it is a mistake for the sole reason of, they can't undo what she started as. I think she's a character already ruined.
If Lila does have Gabe's laptop does she have the information he collected on some of the miracles holders and if she does could she use that information to blackmail them?
I haven’t even touched up on Miraculous in- FOREVER But the second you theorized that season 6 of this show may lead up to a shift in dynamic where it’s now Chat noir vs Ladybug because of the whole “oops- I lied- your father was actually an asshole and was Hawk Moth the whole time” almost feels like it could be the direction the writers will go onto write off of to easily drag on the “will they won’t they” that’s currently at 50% thus far from what I was updated on. I personally won’t get back into the show fully- especially with how its writing has soured a lot of it for me(fandom sadly included…) I would be amused if they basically copied off of Avengers: The Cold War for season 6 and possibly 7 ☠️ especially if they have more heroes now thus more people to divide into either team Chat or team Ladybug
Well, based on what we've seen in Season 5 of Miraculous, there's a theory that Lila Rossi could have a transformative experience that changes her forever. Perhaps she realizes the consequences of her lies and manipulative behavior, leading her to reflect on her actions and make a genuine effort to change for the better. This could involve her seeking forgiveness, showing empathy, and becoming a more honest and trustworthy person. It would definitely be an interesting character development for Lila! 🐞🐾
I think they will reveal the secret identities of the heroes to the public. They told the whole class that Alix was Bunnyx and didn't say a word about keeping it a secret. Felix transformed in front of the masked rich kids, so rich kids probably think Adrien is Argos. Lila has knowledge of most of the identities through Gabriel's data, and why wouldn't she pursue them in their civilian lives or even expose some of them to public? I believe at some point of the series everyone in the world will end up learning heroes identities.
you know what my theory is about lila. Well, at first she behaves like an angelic girl, but it turns out that she is a fox, because Lila has been a participant in every event, learning and learning. At first, when Lila takes the book from Adrian, she learns about superheroes, maybe she understands the language, but again I can get information. that are valid, then when the battle of the superheroes is weighed Lila is in the tower creating her illusion that at that moment she could have seen the bride and the black maqok from the future fighting with the monarch, which she did not understand that she was at fault, should not be done more powerful in the future, for this reason she becomes an ally with Gabriel Agresten. But once again the question arises as to how it is possible that she knew Gabriel's secret that he was at fault, let's not forget that when she took Adrian's book, after the akumatization to Gabriel in the collector, it is more than understandable that it was his book and for this reason Lila has realized that he may have been the culprit and her theory may have come true when she helped Gabriel to accustom other people!
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My main issue with Lila is that the writers have to dumb everyone around her down in order for her schemes to work. The writers think they are making a smart character but her plans would fall apart if the other characters gave any of her lies any thought for more then zero seconds. And what is her motivation for doing…anything?! She hates the main character fine but why go out of your way to ruin her life? It is like Lila has a personal vendetta against Marinette other then being an alternate love interest. And It is one thing for her to have multiple identities, I can buy that. But her having multiple families?! She has at least 3 different “mothers” all within the same city I presume. One them is probably her biological mother but I cannot explain the other two. Even if she was adopted by the others, there has to be some kind of paper trail somewhere. I really hope her character and motivations get more fleshed out in S6 onward. But for me, she is way too shallow of an antagonist to care about
I have a feeling they’re gonna try to give her some kind of traumatic backstory to make us feel bad for her, like how they tried to do with Gabe. The problem is: it’s too little too late. I’m more than likely not going to care once that gets revealed.
maybe she's just doing it because she can. we need a villlian being evil because they just can. everyones to dumb to stop her so it kind of works out
Even Gabriel as spastic as he is didn’t require the rest of the cast to be dumbed down for him to work as a villain. The universe being reset basically gives the show a good opportunity for her to demonstrate a decent level of competency and make her character make sense.
I know. She's basically a Villain Sue. Plus, it seems like her multiple identities/families were added to make her seem more complex or a "chess master" but it just comes across as contrived bad writing.
I feel like having Lila as the main villain of s6 will definitely freshen up the story going forward
Lila is a smarter, more relentless, and stalker version of Chloe.
She feels a bit simple for the next villain. As far as we know, she doesn't even have a wish to make, so her motivation would simply be revenge. This could be done correctly (hold Ladybug accountable for her mistakes, allow Chat Noir more time in the spotlight), but IDK if the writers are up for it.
I hope she isn't gonna be a smooth brain villain like Gab was
Yep Lila is very smart, manipulative, knows how to get her way and will not back down she reminds me of Azula from ATLA.
Agreed
My issue with Lila is how unlikeable she is and how transparent her lies are. I would've enjoyed an arc where Ladybug feels responsible for the events of "Volpina" and Lila making Zoe lie more to alienate herself from her classmates while making Lila look good by comparison.
In fact all of her lies are just incompetently easy to see through, and yet everyone keeps falling for them even the teachers and staff.
Truly, Lila's lies were so ridiculous that the fact that people fell for those lies was enough to make your braincells die one by one out of frustration at the sheer stupidity of it all.
I mean there are those moments when a character lies but it's obvious to a point that it's funny, however, in Lila's case, her lies so ridiculous and obvious that it was more annoying than funny, and the fact people fell for those ridiculous lies was infuriating especially when it got to the point that Alya of all people knew who Ladybug was but she still believed every word that came out of Lila's mouth.
@@estebangutierrez160 Considering how nice most of the class is, it'd make sense if Lila made small lies and the class believed her because they had no reason to distrust her.
Lila: Ladybug is my best friend.
Alya who is Ladybugs best friend and knows ladybug hates Lila
Alya: Marinette your being ridiculous, Lila isn't a liar. Adrien your just saying she's a liar cause you love Marinette.
After Confrontation, Alya learned the truth about Lila, though.@@Markus2E5I6
She HAS to be a better Butterfly user than Gabriel, the heroes got way more experience under their belt and all other miraculousses are now on the good side. Plot armor will be strong for her.
Honestly, Lila cpming forward with the information about Gabriel is exactly what came to my mind after finishing Season 5. They SHOULD go for that storyline. It would make for a GREAT season.
They SHOULD but lord knows their not going to.
it would be cool if she exposed it to the public and made everyone (obviously including adrien) distrust ladybug completely
Yeah that’s the problem lol. They should do that because it WOULD make for a great season. But this show only went downhill from each new season, I don’t see how they‘d fix their abysmal writing any time soon
Some delicious dramatic irony. Of all the lies told and schemes hatched, that the truth would be her greatest victory.
And yet, I can't help but feel that the writers might fuck this up somehow.
There is a bit of a problem, when Gabriel made the wish it's like a new universe was created, one were Gabriel was never a villain, which means that technically all the fake info no longer exists, it's what they said in quamis choice I believe, creating a new universe means erasing the previous one and that means that gabriels past ceased to exist
It would be great if she managed some of her lies in order to make everyone believe Gabriel is bad tho, assuming all the proof she has still exists and wasn't deleted as the wish came
At this point I've made my opinion of Lila very clear but honestly if her opening act as the new villain is to pull the curtain on the "Gabe was a hero" facade and just smash Maribug's reputation into the ground, my opinion of her will probably do a 180.
That’s what I thought if she is gonna find that truth and spill the tea to the public about him to putting edge maribug as well as ruining her relationship with Adrien.
If that things will be real, I’m sure there’ll be many excuses to defend that little creep like they did in Derision. But, this scenario could become a good concept for my fanfic if Chrysalis turning the game
@@Libby_cas I'll finally have a reason to hate her beyond her being a petty little brat who only exists to remind us of how stupid the supporting cast can be. But I'll also have a reason to at least respect her as a villain for actually having the smarts we're supposed to believe she does.
@@Libby_cas That's certainly an opinion to have but you're definitely right that the show hasn't always made the smartest choices narrative wise. That's why I hope this point comes to fruition.
@@Libby_cas I really hope you enjoy the rest of the series then, Astruc doesn't deserve fans like you but the writers do.
The writers have to take a big step forward to improve the story especially when they have the chance to make a compelling story in season 6
Lila has apparently lied about everything in her life since her first appearance, including her real name. My theory is the one thing she was not lying about was that she is descended from a fox superhero and she came to Paris when Ladybug and Chat Noir first appeared specifically to somehow gain the Miraculous's powers.
Illusion and deception. Sure.
I think she does know bc she said "I'll see you again Marinette." So she saw Mari detransform when with Gabe
But how will the show last one more season if Lila knows Marinette is Ladybug ? Unless Bunnix and Viperion constantly foil Lila's plans when she uses her knowledge of Marinette being LAdybug, I can't see how Marinette won't lose against Lila in the first episodes
Oh I just think she said that because she just got a lot stronger having the butterfly miraculous and - being a multilayered character - will not refrain from using it for her private revenge plot against marinette.
Because I totally agree with everything sad in the vid: If she did know Ladybugs identity, it'd be game over. She managed to fool everyone into believing she is a middle school student while also taking high school classes, made everyone hate Marinette and so on... no way being Hawkmoth + knowing Ladybugs identity + having sensible information about Ladybugs Lies about Gabriel being a hero wouldn't mean the immediate game over for Marinette.
@@Honeymuffin EXACTLY ! That's why I'd rather beleive that Lila doesn't know yet that Marinette is Ladybug, and won't discover it in season 6 either. But I'm still worried that just like you said, Lila won't hesitate to also use the butterfly miraculous powers against Marinette on top of using them against Ladybug and Chat Noir. Imagine if Lila could akumatize herself Into Chameleon or Volpina 😨 the damages she could still do to Marinette's reputation and social circle with those powers 😰 A.d the confirmation that season 6 is gonna hurt more than season 5 is making me a lot scared for Mainette 😥
Lila could use her new identity to do the opposite of what she did, instead of trying to destroy Marinete's life revealing who she really is, why not try to be her friend? Or even better, her best friend, being nearby to take advantage of her moments of weakness by pretending to be a good friend, maybe even trying to push Alya and the others away, which would automatically cause problems especially for Alya and it would be the time to prove that she is really Marinete's friend, but now Marinete doesn't want to believe her and not the reverse like before, so Alya and maybe even other characters will need to show that Lila(now as Iris)is taking advantage of Marinete and feel what she felt when no one believed her. Let's not forget that it was because of pressure that Marinete revealed her identity, so even if Lila doesn't know this, Alya knows, so she would have to resolve this as quickly as possible to prevent the same thing from happening again.
Like Cedric in Sofia the first but a rotten leech?
I just hope they‘ll give Lila an understandable backstory as to why she behaves the way she does. Why she has multiple mothers, where she actually came from, how she grew up and most importantly: what she‘d gain from fighting against Ladybug & Cat Noir. If they‘ll stick to her only hating Ladybug because she exposed her lies, it‘d be kinda lame ngl
I have a strong impression that in most episodes we won't just have a weekly Akumatized, but rather an Akumatized HOLDERS, Lila will now keep an eye on the holders in civil and she's going to try to Akumatize one by one every day, maybe she intends to do an event where she Akumatizes Ladybug's entire team and forces Ladybug herself to face her own team? Or maybe just an attempt to discover the identities of each bearer or obtain the Miraculouses one by one? Who knows
By carrier do you mean the other miraculous holders
Lila is honestly one of my fav characters in the series. She’s so mysterious. While we watch Gabe fail when he could’ve used his own powers to probably save his wife, we don’t know Lila’s endgame. What is she trying to do? And the fact that she manages to manipulate everyone (despite how outlandish her lies get), I just want to know where they go with that.
So I hope she returns to cause more chaos.
I want Lila to step on me.
Your fave villain?
Lila is one of those characters who is good but the writing AROUND HER ruins her image. At least in s6, the other people won’t be dumbasses to Lila while she maintains her manipulative tactics
Her REAL NAME is Cerise, @@kevinasare4178
No fucking way a verified TH-cam account saying Lila is their favourite villain?? A dream???
I'm glad you also doubt that Lila discovered Ladybug's secret identity in Re-creation, because I also thought that Lila knowing that Marinette and Ladybug are one and the same would mean an immediate defeat for our heroin. It was always game over everytime Gabriel discovered that his son was Chat Noir, so somoene like Lila who can manipulate Marinette's friends and family so easily and who knows the truth about Gabriel having been Hawkmoth/Shadowmoth/Monarch would be able to ruin Marinette and defeat Ladybug if she knew. But according to Timetagger, Ladybug and Chat Noir are still fighting the new butterfly villain at least a decade later, and I very much doubt that Lila wouldn't have managed to defeat them already if she really knew Ladybug's secret identity.
That's something that reassure me at least, because with what she already knows Lila is in a position to hurt both MArinette and Adrien in the future, and those two already suffered enough for my taste
That same episode said the future is not set in stone which could also be foreshadowing the Season 5 finale
@@happyking2895agree
@@happyking2895 Ah you're right. Who knows if the future from where adult Bunnix comes from is still the current future of miraculous or if it became an alternate future now that young Bunnix is present and the special Paris will confirm that alternate universe in the lore of miraculous are a thing 🤔
@@happyking2895 But the problem is HOW will the show keeps going with a scenario where Lila knows Ladybug's secret identity ? Now that she has the butterfly miraculous, how could she NOT WIN with such knowledge ?
One theory I've seen about Lila is that she's actually a foster kid who's been bouncing from home to home for the past few years. All of her "moms" are either current or former foster parents of hers, and she just told them all something to the effect of "You're like a real mother to me" and they believed it. The extra identities thing makes sense under that theory too: she can just walk up to a police station with a new name and a new appearance, claiming to be an orphan, and they'll just put her in the foster system without looking too closely at it.
That would actually make sense, given Lila has one of her moms thinking she's a daughter she lost a long time ago, well we don't know for sure if that's a lie or not. Sounds very much like something Lila would do.
Honestly, we they first introduced Lila, she seemed like a one and done character who liked to tell stories, freaked out when she was exposed in front of her celebrity crush and then went out with a dislike for the hero cause she lost her chance with her crush which in is nothing new for some characters who will dislike the protagonist but will admit that they get the job done.
Then, they brought her back as an attention seeking, lying, bullying, manipulative witch who liked getting what she wanted, using people pawns and holding grudges over the smallest of slights to the point it borderlined sociopathic.
This really boosted viewers' dislike for her with how she maliciously bullied Marinette and probably reawakened people's own bullying experiences to some degree.
Now this would have labelled her as the new mean girl at school had they gone through with Chloe's full redemption in the eyes of the viewers but not the rest of the school as she was manipulative but would probably have her house of cards really fall overtime leading up to her final take down.
However, a curve ball was thrown and we find out that Lila is a master manipulater to a level that would terrify anyone especially with how young she is when it's revealed that she's fooled everyone even the viewers this whole time when it's revealed that she's not who we thought she was, she's conned at least three women into thinking she's their daughter and we're not sure who exactly the real mother is, and her lying charade goes deeper to a larger agenda.
Now, "Lila" is set to be the show's new main antagonist, she's been stalking and targeting Marinette throughout all the way to now probably joining the new school Marinette's going to and we have no clue why she's doing all this and why she's doubling down on her obsession with Marinette in which her motive has evolved from being due to Marinette exposing her lies to something that noone can understand nor explain.
So in regards to "Lila", we've been to some things but at the same time we've been told nothing about her as we don't know her past, her identity and her true motive.
So it seems like with season 6 going forward, we might get some pieces of information as we go and then we might get some pieces of information that we, the viewers, will find shocking as we'll discover that those random pieces of information might actually be connected to scenes and previous seasons where it might turn out that Lila's story has always been playing out in plain sight but we just didn't know what to look at which will probably bring more questions than answers.
It's also possible she is lying about her age as well which makes her relations with Adrien all the more creepy.
@@estebangutierrez160 Oh, that would be so many levels of creepy right there.
@@estebangutierrez160I hope that's not gonna be true bcs it would be so weird
What I don't like about her is that to make her smart they make people dumb so her plan succeed like in adoration when they are told Marinette stole items for ridiculous reasons and Chloe is accusing someone she hates it didn't take a genius to know there's something fishy on it
@@sirinsx8383 considering how far she's willing to keep up her lies to make everyone believe her, is lying about her age really something she wouldn't do?
ngl i'm actually kinda scared of her 💀 she could do so much shit
Did you all notice that Lila/Cerise (or whatever her name is) said "looking forward to seeing you, Marinette... "
She didn't say ladybug and/or Chat Noir or anyone else, she only wants Marinette... But why?
Because she REALLY hates Marinette even more than Ladybug due to confrontation. Oh how her blood will boil when she finds out that Marinette and Ladybug are one person 😊
I can just totally see the writers hinting later in Season 6 that Lila did in fact know that Marinette is Ladybug and using plot armor the rest of the way. Lila is clever but the writers so far are not. Plot armor is just going to completely wreck Lila's character and probably backstory.
I think I can forget the stupidity if season 5 finale, if at some time Lila will drop the truthbomb to Adrien about Gabe. Will make for a good link of in-between seasons 5 & 6 and make up for Adrien crying in a box during the finale.
I just KNOW that they’re going to end up going back to the status quo from before Lila was exposed as a liar when she ends up going to the new school in later seasons. And I HATED how Lila seemed to cause the whole class to drop several IQ points in order to make her lies work. If this is how they take her character and how she interacts with the supporting cast, I’m definitely not going to keep watching, especially with Lila definitely being the main antagonist going forwards.
I feel like with the butterfly miraculous they can make that work like she can give herself the power to make people believe her lies no matter what
The day lila tells the truth is the day pigs fly. And honestly she's just the worst so no she would never tell the truth. Plus I fear how she got the other mothers to think she was their kid. I do think that she killed the children of the other 2 or 3 moms and took their place
Miraculous ladybug wouldn't be that dark
Actually, I disagree. Truth can also be "evil", especially if such "evil" truth was revealed only to make everyone's lives miserable.
Do I trust that the shows writers can put together a good Ladybug akumatization and Chat Noir angry at Ladybug for lying story? No, but these theories got me excited for the potential of Lila as a villain (at least in the fanfictions TT)
I think she is also a criminal that killed the children of the season 4 to 5 moms kids to take their place. And that this isn't her first time harming people and bulling someone. We might meet her other victims
bro what kids?
I really want this to be the route they go down. No way they introduced Lila as some mistress of disguise, and super genius only to do nothing with her
You know when I saw Alya getting the Fox miraculous for the first time, I thought she was going to be an enemy of Lila
Can't wait to see if she'll live up to the role of the main villain.
Actually, I can wait.
The irony alone would make this a great direction for the show. Lila takes ladybug down by telling the truth
I think you’re spot on about her being an orphan who’s angry at the world. Also I think it would be a great opportunity for the show to let Ladybug take a step out of the permanent spotlight and let other characters have a chance to be the protagonists. Like sure they team up with each other but they only need Ladybug to de-evilize the akumas. They showed that it could work when Marinette was learning about how Felix and Adrien ar Centi-People and when Alya had to realy think on her feet before going into hiding as Renafertive. They are going to different schools I’d love to see an episode where Miss Hound needs to step up and take down a villain herself. Sabrina was a highlight character of season 5 for me when she finally grew a spine and decided she refused to be Cloe’s punching bag anymore.
Same with Andre who finally earned my respect as a person.
One and only problem I have with Lila is that she has the same type of plot armor as Marinette and Felix, that is that she can always get out of problematic situation even if its borderline impossible and (almost) always achieve wnat she wants.
But yeah I hope she will be more succesful than Gabe. And that she will dump all the secrets about Agreste family on Adrien
Actually the only plot armour I see on Felix is that he looks like Adrien on every other situation is ladybug saving his neck and on pretention letting him go away for no good reason the other times like with the red moon he was actually pretty smart (of course abusing his Adrien looks plot armour)
@@billykaplan9915agree
@@billykaplan9915 No, Felix get some plot armour too. Like Alix or Luka too. The heroes know he knew villain ID, villain knew too, so he should be target for both group. Instead after second episode he get back nearly at the end.
And Hawky knowing Luka and Alix knew should target more their families.
So yea, plot armour for more. But they cannot compete with Mari, Lila or Gabe.
We definitely will gey some lila lore. If not, she will be a worse villain than gabe (kinda badly written, also douchbag) i have hopes for her. Also need to make ger more likeable, cuz right now whenever Cerise/Lila/wedontknowhername is on screen i just want to turn of the device.
If her lies were actually good and didn't require characters to be dumb bricks she would be perfect
Right? The falling down the stairs one always gets me. That's literally impossible to fake if you have a nurse looking at your leg.
Anyone else heard of the Manon and Lila are the same person theory 😂😂
That is the most stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Thats honestly a good theory to be honest. In timetagger Nino's brother was the villain and we know Lila is probably Hawkmoth in the future then in the last part of the episode we saw Lila talking to Chris.
@@Dred0nyeah, the more I look into the show, the more this theory actually makes sense.
@@Nathaplays_nat3 exactly plus she does kinda look Like Manon.
that's such a bullshit 💀
One creepy theory is that Lila is much older than she looks, which is how she has so much skill in disguise and manipulation. I doubt it’s one Disney would go with, but it is unsettling to think about.
Shy cant Layla just create Akumas to help her hide her identity more consistently? Like. Akumatize someone, keep them hostage and have them create something to make her unrecignizable to everyone. Then make them inert.
Also one of her identities is called Iris Verdi. Iris in greek mythology was the goddess of the rainbow and messenger to the greek gods. Lila might be the messenger to Adrien and will reveal the truth to him about his father. She might also reveal the truth to Paris that Ladybug lied about Gabriel
If God forbid, in Season 6,7,8 they give Lila a tragic backstory to make us feel sorry for her and she gets character development and a redemption arc
That will prove to me that those writers and the whole team of the Miraculous LB production are absolute, complete idiots that don't know good storytelling if it hit them with a nuke bomb 😑
Lila should not get tragic backstory and redemption arc. I like her (she was my fav character) because of her pettines, jelaous, want be on top and hating of heroine. She was reliable by fact she was manipulant egoistic liar. I don't need another character turn villain. I need some sociopath bi...ch who want everything.
I've been wishing that for Lila and CHloé for so long, but Astruc wants us to know, that kids are unredeemable and big-ass adults are 🤡 I know in rl there will always be people, that won't change their ways, but it's for the goal audience a wrong lesson.
Smarty pants, video idea: ranking all miraculous when it comes to being hidden, basically, who would look at the miraculous and find out. For starter the peacock is easily shown, even in camouflage mode, someone can notice it and find out the identity
I am pretty sure Adrien/Chat Noir will end up learning about his father in one way or another. Keeping it secret from him seems like a waste to me, he already accepted that he wasn't a good father for him after last episodes of season 5. So accepting Gabriel being a bad guy wouldnt be as hard as it was in Chat Blanc. But it would cause him to distrust Ladybug which is a story material.
I know in representation they made the perfect build up of him facing Gabriel and the speech of Gabriel trapping him and his mother death would have been better with Adrien saying it and even though yes they would need to reveal their identities for that they could have Roosterbold erase their memories of their secret identities and move on to season 6 this people have lots of good tools at their disposal and forget about them even the peacock could do a sentímonster to make them forget
I hope he gets to be angry at Ladybug because of her hiding this information from him for more than just a single episode. It‘d be so incredibly lame if he‘d learn that his father, the literal main villain for 5 seasons straight, was Monarch at the end of one ep and then 20 minutes later he‘d be like „Oh ok I forgive you“
Also Adrien does think that his father was a good person in the end, because LB told him that „he helped her defeat Monarch“
My biggest issue with Lila is how the narrative has to bend over backwards for her for all these characters to just blindly believe everything that she says. There is never an explanation for this nor does she work to build this reputation on screen for the audience to understand why that is. And honestly it makes Marinette's friends look shitty for never believing her, especially Alya who knows she's ladybug. Does she have some kind of magic power or something?!
iI mean to be fair marinette also believed lila did all those amazing things originally as well...lila was able to fool the school about why she was out....to the point she was allowed to skype in class from that place...which WE know was a lie but does sound legit when the teachers also believes it...lila fooled her own mom and the school for MONTHS and if it was false most would assume it would have come out by then so its not weird the students would believe that factor is the teachers never caught on.... and lots of the class have done cool things or known cool people so they have no reason to doubt lila...max's mom isgonna work as nasa and runs the train, alya's mom runs that famous resteraunt and she owns the ladyblog and her dad works at the zoo, rose got to hang out personally with prince ali, marinette has impressed jagged stone, gabriel agreste and chloe's mom, max has gone a gaming tournament and made a robot and there is legi magic around them in the battles...nd unlike chloe lila actually does seem nice at first glance...and it makes sense why the students would believe the teachers on this...especially when mari never actually gives them the context about WHY mari doubts lila(mari followed adrien and saw her steal the book and her eleborate scheme to trick adrien with the necklace and lila bad mouthing ladybug). we see mari try but lila was smart and got mari's emotions hyped up so mari actually never realizes she never actually got that context across...and as far as them knew mari never met lila before and mari HAS judged people a bit quickly...like adrien and kagami where her first impression wasbnt right about them.
and mari WAS actually jealous and belueved lila's lies as well at first and alya knows this because mari legit told alya that they need to do something or adrien might get stolen away because mari doesnt think she can compete with that. with most of the girls knowing about a few of mai's schemes and how mari can be a bit insecure around certain amazing people she think adrien could like...like kagami for example...which took a while but mari di become friends with.
and lila was smart that even when she deflected mari trying to out her she never made it seem likelila had bad feelings for marinette herself...and lila did actually lay low and never actually did anything targetting marinette til the episode where she lied to set mari up for being suspended. and lila took advantage that marinette couldnt hide her dislike of her.
like YES we know mari was right about alot of it...but on the other end the reason mari assumed moer of those were lies was becasue marinette personally didnt like her...some of them mari didnt actually have proof about it being a lie and the ones where mari found inconsistences lila used how mari's motive was to get lila in trouble against mari since motive CAN be important.
and mari who knows lila is sketch has trouble seeing from the view of the people who DON'T know she is sketch...and motive can be hard to prove...like how mari was understandably sure lila was responsible for etting her expelled but she didnt have proof which is kindof important when lila has pretended to be nice that entire time and hadnt actually done anything outwardly sketchy mari could bring up....even that time with her lying to get into adrien's house and sending out that pick to mess with kagami she could argue she was just trying to be friendly and didnt know how kagami would have reacted and most other kids would have lied to hang with adrien as a friend in his house isnt inherently bad....proving her motive is bad can be difficult.
My issue is they could just point to how lila actually uses how marii get emotional about things and uses mari's temper against her and uses how there ARE actual legit reasons to not take mari always at face value...but point out how the class is still on mari's side...but lila makes mari believe thats not the case or that its black and white...so mari stops trying to tell the others when she is calmer and more convincing...or point to how alot of mari's evidence she knows becuase she is ladybug.
honestly if lila had taken mari's actual olive branch when lila lied her back into the school....I'm pretty sure mari would have been tricked as well..becuase the only reason mariis so sure is becuase she IS ladybug and saw the lie situaton with volphina and then was more personally upset about ehr seat being moved and didnt place the blame where it should have been(on her firends not explaining things to her properly and eciding stuff without her) and how mari hadnt known they never planne for the seat change to be permanent
what's interesting is that we have seen so many moments that ladybug (and sometimes the world) is doubting herself but you know who is always there to reassure her. Chat Noir. If the truth about ladybug and gabriel gets revealed, not even chat noir will be able to be the same towards her (because he's adrien and is obviously deeply affected) . I want this so much to happen because i believe it's about time for adrien/chat to shine as a character and i really hope they'll do him justice after the s5 finale. And ESPECIALLY after s4 and how he was treated, i want all that build up to explode
Lila has potential to be a more competent villain than Gabe, but she's a much worse villain than he is.
I mean, come on, her motivation is literally just a petty beef with Marinette and Ladybug. What's her reason to terrorize the city? At least Gabe did that to lure the heroes out so he can make his wish. Heck, even Chloe has better reason to terrorize the city after Revolution. Lila lacked the basic requirement of a villain, and that's saying something
Propably her only motive will be use Wish. Understable, but she's not material for main villain.
But that's why she's the perfect villain: we don't know her motivation. If we did during the 1st arc, it would have made her character pointless.
I hope Lila can tell adrian the truth about his father because Marinette was such an idiot of lying to him in Season 5 finale as they never gave him a chance of confronting Gabriel and with Thomas is out of the show for good because he basically a parent who favourites one child and abuse the other.
The fact is he named Marinette's dad after his nqme and have the mom to appear a chinese because of an ex who is one.
And he hate Chloé because she represents Thomas' bullies when he was in school
@@estebangutierrez160 I know right like why would make your character be based on one of your bullies like it's very pathetic to look to at.
I know I feel that Adrien saying that speech about how Gabriel trapped him and how he made peace with his mother's death would have been way more satisfying and would be the perfect close up to that
@@estebangutierrez160 lila should have dated Felix and not adrien he's already taken by marinette
Please stop about this false rumour about Chloe.. they are literally no proof about this "bullie" thing. Thomas Astruc wanted just his character to be written like that from the start. 😑
I think Lila Found out Hawkmoths identity at the end of season 2. When Gabe de-transformed on the eiffel tower. She was there and could easily see him.
I want to see an miraculous of balance. After all, Yin and Ying should be in balance. So, if Miraculous of balance exits it should be the strongest.
It's funny that you mentioned the time travel stuff because many people on Instagram, Twitter (or X, however you call it), and Reddit theorize that "Lila" is Manon from the future. After all, they look the same when you look at their natural hair and eye color, and the way she got there is because of Timetagger. The one thing I am hoping happens is that "Lila" tries to befriend Marinette and isolates her from her friends by telling lies, mentioning the past where they believe someone who is a stranger over her while assuming why Marinette didn't like "Lila" is because of jealousy and create more trust issues for Marinette that can ruin her life. That is what I am hoping happens, but who knows.
I feel like this is actually it. Like, it would be so poetic, because Manon got introduced in the beginning of season 1 and Lila got introduced at the end of season 1. I feel like the beginning and end of the season comes full circle, as it is hinting that they're the same people.
@@Nathaplays_nat3 yeah I can see that too
ive never been too sold on lila's antagonism against ladybug and marinette, for the pure reason that it really just felt like she just speedran having a "deep hatred" for ladybug for the sake of setting her up as an antagonist with a personal connection to the hero, like how gabriel has a deep connection with adrien as his father. she just kinda shows up, everyone inexplicably stupidifies around her and she manipulates everyone into thinking marinette/ladybug is the devil, and its resolved at the end. she could definitely be interesting if the writers decide to go the way that you mentioned in the video, but i feel like they have a bit of a tendency to present new info or story elements for the sake of narrative drive, and then just... dismiss it. i feel like the more realistic choice at this point would just be that she, like gabriel, wants the miraculous to make a wish, and she just doesnt make use of any of her accumulated resources because they forgot she had them until it was too late. obviously it wouldn't make sense for her to do that, but it's not like the show hasn't been notoriously dismissive of things like this before. if anything, they're pretty famously negligent of this kind of thing (e.g. completely dismissing luka immediately after him spilling the beans about his knowledge of the leads' identities).
In my opinion, I feel like somewhere along the lines, Lila is gonna tell Adrien that his father was Monarch. Because I didn't like the fact in Recreation that Marinette lied to him and Gabriel told her not to tell HIS own son he was the villian. And I also have a strange feeling that Lila is somebody's half sister just like Zoey is to Chloe. Can't wait to see how this plays out. Ready for Season 6.
I felt like that's exactly the reason they did all of that and didn't close the story as they should. Lila will tell everyone the truth weakening their trust in ladybug
@@billykaplan9915 I see that happening and it be the perfect bait to akumatize them.
@@negrofuego960 or creating another heroes day incident
@@billykaplan9915 That too because now Marinette/Ladybug gave the miraculous to everyone and I don't even know why Argos is a part of the team.
@@negrofuego960 Why so many people is hard to Argos? He wasn't evil and I know his romance with kagami is shit but the guy at least had the excuse that he was secluded and needed guidance
If the dynamic with Lila is still the same, being an utterly ridiculous pathological liar who requires most of the cast to have the IQ of a kindergartner to work, then she won’t change a thing. The universe being reset gives the writers a new opportunity to make her at least somewhat competent and endearing. I don’t need another AntiChrist Chloe.
Ironic how Lila might be the one to reveal the most insane truth in the Mirsculous world lol
For 8 years since she came around, we were all fooled by her disguise the whole time as well as her fake name.
My theory could be she’s a century old sentimonster because she never removed her bracelets in her disguises. Maybe someone created her with the emotion of deception to have her lie all the time without sincerity or honesty.
My second theory is that maybe she’s the firstborn daughter of Gabi Grassette but was maybe abandoned by him when she was just a baby and that Gabi changed his name to Gabriel Agreste to lie his way to become a fashion designer to get rich. How else is there a connection when she found out his secrets? It could somehow connect with her past life. And why she never revealed her actual real name? That’s a mystery. Maybe it might foreshadow in the future of what her truthful and real name is. Maybe her last name is Grassette but it’s never been confirmed yet until the foreshadow.
Both Gabriel and Lila are somehow connected like they are alike with lying, changing their names, manipulating anyone to get what they want, and use people as pawns. Since Gabriel is now dead, it would the last of his family origin but somehow, what if he’s not and he has a pure human last descendant which is Cerise?
chat noir vs ladybug would be so badass and i really badly want it for the next arc.
When it comes to an established hero who has been a hero for a while, I would rather a "Lone Hero Against the World" scenario to not happen, not generally a fan of that trope at all unless the hero is in their early days. I'm currently watching Spider-Man: The Animated Series and it happened during Season 2, and I found myself really annoyed & pissed off that all of New York suddenly turned on Spider-Man without even thinking about it, like he was only a hero for a few weeks or a few months. Its like if he was in Primary School and was bullied for something he didn't do and nobody defended him.
But here it would be kind of valid. Ladybug straight up lied about what happened with the villain who terrorized the civilians for a whole year.
If Jeremy zag manage to make Lila a good villain. I'll give him my life. Not literally. Because now when Thomas isn't the leader of the miraculous ladybug team that means they can finally make a good miraculous ladybug season.
Even tommy manchild wasn’t the leader, it doesn’t mean his influence is going to gone. Cannot be surprised, if he pushes the other writers to make Chloe look even worse in season 6 🥱
Even though they wrote her wrong, it’s clear that Lila is a dark empath, which does explain a lot of things that she does. Her narcissistic behavior with classes makes sense because dark empaths are part narcissist.
The way Lila found out about Monarch is still puzzling. Also, her getting exposed somehow made things worse, but I won’t deny that it was extremely satisfying. She will be a better Hawkmoth and she will get her final comeuppance.
The setup of Lila using the information and proof she gathered to reveal who Hawk Moth really was and that Ladybug lied to everyone is so clearly set up that I'd be more shocked if they don't go forward with that. Having the reveal that Gabriel was actually evil is the only reason I can think of for the writers to go through with having him remembered as a hero for now. I have been kinder to the finale due to the expectation that they had it go that way for future developments, I am looking forward to see whether and how they pull it off.
Would it be irony if Adrian was the one to take down Lila once and for all? because we all remember gabe’s final showdown
Trust me the writers would just make adrien the side character 😢
@@mgueye2mgueye261 at least he’d be there
For some reason, I decided that in my AU, Lucia (Lila) would use the blatant lies Lila says and turn them into inside jokes, which are really just her talking about her crimes in a more subtle way. Like, when Lila says that she is in a movie, for Lucia, that meant that she killed a group of people.
There are 18 miraculous holder heroes in Paris. Thats a lot. I believe some would get manipulated and some would lost their miraculous.
And maybe have double-agents
These are all great ideas it's just one problem Thomas astric still writing the show
he is no longer the writer of the show zag did not give him a new head writer contract
@@atishaykankaria4461oh fr?
@@atishaykankaria4461 hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah hallelujah
But I still don't think the writers would use that tag, "Lila use truth against Marinette". Sad, because it would be most interesting thing in the show and could made Lila dangerous, especially it will be only her against whole hero team.
What should happen is merranet feels guilty about lying to adrein so sue revels to him who she is then adrein gets angry and then acumotized into cat blonck and acadentally kills Alya with his cataclysm cause she knew so after he gets deacumatized they have to find a way to save Alya and lyla presents some deal ?
I'm hoping that they actually give character development to not all but the five main heroes (cat, ladybug, turtle, fox, and bee) that would allow for a more dynamic story than the static one we had. Make Adrien learn the truth about Hawk Moth and gosh I'm hoping Lila's transformation merges the colors of Volpina and The og Hawk moth. I want a mothra colored super hero lol
I love the idea of lady bug becoming a lone hero against the world to end up being a akumatized and every other hero has to fight her
Whatever direction they're going to take Lila's character in future seasons, I just hope it's enough to justify her being the main villain all the way into their adulthood.
Unless there somehow is another HM after defeating her. In which case, how have they not retrieved the butterfly after defeating Lila?
Lila as a character, i never cared about her
she was just a plot device used to higher the stakes in a episode
season 3 was supposed (key word being supposed) to make lila a threat but since the writers doesn't take her seriously they just ignored her in season 4 except in penalteam and strikeback.
She's a sociopath who fakes real life disabilities and manipulates people to get things her way.
( Of topic but Miraculous ladybug should end. I know but someone just had to say it. Hawkmoth is defeated, Adrienette is canon, Marinette got all the miraculous back, It should end. I'm guessing the only thing holding back the show from ending is the ladynoir reveal.)
They not use Lila potential, especially in S3, when episodes like Ladybug show how threat can she be to the heroes. Good nemesis to main heroine and a supporter of main villain. But made her main villain is for me totally stupid, because for that they must give her plot protection, made villain sue (like they do).
And I agree, the show should end at this point, after defeat Gabe and reveal. I cannot see how they continue to made plot interesting for audience older than ten.
I definitely feel a AFO vibe here.
Everything she does and ever person she screws over is to mess with Marinette.
There Seeee everyone that’s what I want!!! It’s going to be a Dabi thing all over again!
The thing I found most fascinating about lila was she clearly WILL go far when it comes to her lies and getting what she wants...like how she stole adrien's book when she realized he was interested in ladybug and heros and got a necklace made to look just like a miraculous from the book to trick him...but also we know it was a bit of a impulsive move from her as she fumbled a bit when he went to check his bag and threw the book in the garbage can..but it also weirdly parallel's marinette's own tendacy to do schemes.
I also like how mari kindfo did create this villian in lila because YES mari gets the bonus better motive of not liking lila because she lies to her friends and said lies about ladybug to make herself lookbetter by comparison...I actually like how mari was intially motivated by her more personal jealous feeling when it comes to lila and ehr tendancy to judge quickly...because marinette very much WAS jealous of lila and that had been her motive fro humiliating lila the way she did infront of adrien...to make sure adrien wouldnt be interested. even more when lila appeared in class again way later with the whole switcharoo with seats..while its true lila was a bit sneaky using pity to make the other kids feel bad for her when she exagerated that mari didnt want her there.....arguably the REAL issue was how mari's friends hadnt told mari about why they were doing the seat change and forgot to tell mari that they never planned for the seat change to be permanent...and mari had chose to blame all of that on lila.
I actually REALLY like the idea that adrien was right...that lila might think lying is the only way for her to make connections and get attention and that by trying to out lilathe way mari was trying to do it wouldnt actually fix the situatuion entirely and it would make lila feel cornered and more defensive to defend herself and take down the persom trying to out her.
now lila was the one who assumed mari was against her still at the end of the episode...but I do thik it was interesting that marinette never actually genuinely went along with adrien advice until lila lied mari back into school where mari actually meant the olive branch that time.
I also think lila actually brought out one of mari's flaws in that mari tends to see things a bit simply at times and struggles to put herself in other peoples choes sometimes...like WE know marinette is right about lila...but mari tends to struggle to realize that even when her friends dont agree with her on something it doesnt mean thyearent on mari's side..and mari forgets her friends dont have context....like the show acts from mari's view that its dumb that others believe lila over mari for some things...but it makes sense since mari HAS gotten jealous and can jump to conclusions about people early...lke kagami and adrien...or like how when lila pinned mari for stuff...alya WAS on mari's side but was looking for evidence and didnt initially want to put it all on lila...which mari got upset by because whilemari was right she just wanted someone to back that factor up.....and yet adrien was actually the one to resolve it.
I actually REALLY hope adrien steps up with lila as the bad guy because I actually REALLY like how adrien handles her. he actually thinks things through a bit more with lila and actually noticed more of the really bad stuff(like when she tried to pretend she was hurt to keep chat helping her instead of letting him go and help ladybug)(and how he expereinced the way she lied which got nathalie and gorilla and hurt kagami before)...
also arguably lila thought she was convincing gabe...she thought she was taking advantage of a grieving paranoid man who is worried about his son by providing him intel about adrien from school where she was trying to isolate adrien and make herself seem like the only good influence....playing on gabe's paranoia and want to be a good dad who is dealing with his son not being homeschooled for the first time. hence why she was able to scheme her way into becoming a secondary model with adrien...which she then used how adrien agreed not to out her bullshit to his dad if she got mari back into the school pronto with a threat bribe.
while WE know gabe wasnt ACTUALLY fooled by her but he pretended he was and he let her stay around because he could sens eshe could be used to make more akumas and he found it interesting she hated ladybug.
its also kindof interesting because she wasnt wrong here that gabe is hawkmoth and that ladybug is lying to the public about it which could cause problems with the actual truth.
I think it salso fascinating that lila does still want adrien for clout at least...but she also tends to not take seriously that adrien knows who she is as a person by now...which I actually think could be her downfall.
and I think it could be interesting if mari realizes that chloe getting even worse was also lila's influence which mari hadnt noticed.
We know the hint that lila is the hawkmoth way in the future since we saw nino's little brother from the future come back akumatized and we saw her planting her influence early on with nino's brother.
though there definitly IS alot of drama with the reveal now because even if ladybug felt like she couldnt tell adrien(who deserves to know but he could see why she might feel it was better to hide it)...why would she not tell chat noir? will he get frusterated if he finds out ladybug revelaed herself to his dad or didnt just strait up stop him which eve if his dad went to jail at least he's still be ALIVE?
will he blame himself thinking he had had just noticed his dad spiralling? had stepped in sooner himself could he have changed anything?
would lila use the fatcors about the mom?
Lila though having these other identities definitly feels kindof weird...but could get interesting because i dont think mri actually understands how to handle lila well...but that is were adrien might be able to shine
I feel like they don't reallt know how to write her cause she tends to be written off the show and her motives are hating ladybug and being mad at Marinette. I feel like there was so much they could have done to build her up to be this big of a threat but she really just a school mean girl. I feel like if they leaned into her manipulation with Chloe in earlier seasons that would shown how far and how deep she can impact things. Chloe causes an akume ever 5 days pretty much so no one really would pick up on it if she was playing the long game. Then theres the case with the people in the friend group if we saw her spreading lies and feeding on the insecurities of the friend group. It would make it more believeable for everyone to doubt Marinette then i guess im just mad that there isn't much build up or things they have done with her. Maybe that'll change but as of right now she isnt that well written in my opinion
Lila also knows about Adrien being a senti from the pictures and documents she got from Natalie. It wouldn't surprise me if she tried to steal his rings/amok so that she could control Adrien without him realizing it.
Now this isn’t about Lila, but a theory to what Marrinette’s akumatized object, so from the 3 episodes we seen gabe try to akumatize her, the objects the akuma entered were her purse, some sort of swimming band, and a rose, now the swimming band only seems to be on her when she is at the pool so if the object were to be the swimming band, she would have to be at the pool which isn’t very likely, cus the pool isn’t a common area we see in the series, the rose was given to her by adrien/cat noir, so it’s very unlikely that it would be the rose, so that leaves us with her purse, which is the most likely out of the 3 as the purse seem to always be on her, not only that, is where tiki hides when she and Marrinette are in public, so she might become Princess Justice in season 6 if she does get akumatized as the purse was gonna be the akumatized object if Gabe’s plan wasn’t interrupted, it’s just a theory though, but it does seem the most likely out of the 3 objects
Idea: First Episode: Lila reveals the truth about Gabe being Hawk Moth. Mid season, season finale, or Season 7 first episode, Chat Noir learns Marinette is Ladybug, and they break up. Marinette gets akumatized, but Chat saves her. Fun if this was how Marinette found out too.
When I saw remove her wig my mind was blown 🤯
FINALLY THEY MAKE LILA MORE LIKEABLE
All i care about is that Cat Noir get's a *far* larger Spot light in season 6. They already wasted His arc in the first 5 seasons, He needs something. If Ladybug turns evil because of Lila/hawkmoth, and it's up to Cat Noir to actually stand out and be the hero, then great. If Lila reveals ladybug's Lie and this results in the growth Cat Noir needed so badly in the last seasons then so be it. Adrian/Cat Noir needs to take center stage now so he can getthe development he needs. No more second fiddle to Ladybug. Let him take the spot light for a season at least. and please! New powers.
Well here's something interesting what if Lila doesn't have the full butterfly powers due to her either mentally or emotionally not being "grown up" because while Gabe was not only an adult physically he also had the drive and determination to do everything he did with a smile on his face while Lila... just wants to be cool?
That would be awesome. Imagine having the villain get stuck with a 5 minute countdown. They've already established that villains can remain akumatized after the butterfly miraculous holder detransforms, but I don't think the butterfly holder can control them or communicate with them when they aren't transformed. It'd be an interesting limitation for the villain to have.
@@pink-roses-and-scarlet-skies they can't because Gabe ran to a battle since the creators stand in could only be stopped if no one saw him
Triple reveal
Marinette: chat noir Gabriel agreste is hawkmoth
Adrien: father?!!
Marinette: adrien! *Timer runs out*
Adriens marinette??!?!!
talking about akumatized ladybug i’d LOVE to have like a “recreated” version of char blanc but for ladybug like they have to go into the future to defeat akumatized ladybug
She seems to want to be on a higher level of class than she is. She is probably of the lowest and has had to lie to get anywhere. I hope that she is not excused. I hope that she is severely punished like Chloe and not redeemed. Bad characters do not always have to change immediately.
I wonder if they’re going to try to develop Lilia into one of the villains Adult Alix talked about in the first time travel episode.
Also, based entirely on the side eye Nathanial was giving Lilia in these clips, I really hope he factors into her villain season more. I bet he heard SO MUCH bs sitting next to her, and his face just say “Bitch, I don’t care.”
You idea is a great idea 👍
6:00 I think Lila does know about Ladybug's identity. In the season 5 finale, she says
"See you next year, Marinette Dupain-Cheng.."
or maybe i have short-term memory loss
If they do have the world turn against ladybug then I hope something like this would happen: some how Alia finds out about a post Lila made under a fake name talking about how ladybug lied about Gabe (mabey some of the students were arguing about it or she just finds it online) and tells Marinette like "lol can yo believe this sh*t!?" And Marinette's all awkward causing Alia to realize it's true causing an argument and falling out
I really like that plot you created, I hope they make something like that for season 6
The only thing I want to see in S6 is Ladybug and Cat Noir finding out each other's secret identities. That thread has now been pulled so thin it just isn't funny anymore. They always seem to work out who the accumatised villains are within minutes, but they still haven't worked out who each other is? I mean, c'mon, they're in love now, they know each other better than they ever have, and how many other girls in Paris have dark blue hair tied in twin ponytails?!
plot armor wont let marinette get akumatized which is sad but true... 😞
And that sad because this could be great episode for Adrien/Chat.
The show is gonna go downhill hard in season 6 since Lila is the main villain. Her lies being so transparent completely ruins her because everyone around her has to lose 50 IQ points to fall for anything. Sure, they revealed her to the main cast, but if she gets a new identity I don't have faith the writers won't just do it again with a different identity. Her not having any noticeable goal as well is just... Dumb.
Also, her getting the butterfly Miraculous makes no sense from an in world perspective. There was a giant hole, she was at the top of it, the elevator was destroyed, and Marinette was right there. It literally makes no sense.
I think her getting it is a mistake for the sole reason of, they can't undo what she started as. I think she's a character already ruined.
Thomas did fuck up miraclous ladybug.
In my eyes Lioas truly lack of legitimity for her role
I think it would be cool if they knew Lila’s identity at the beginning of her reign of “terror”.
If Lila does have Gabe's laptop does she have the information he collected on some of the miracles holders and if she does could she use that information to blackmail them?
I haven’t even touched up on Miraculous in- FOREVER
But the second you theorized that season 6 of this show may lead up to a shift in dynamic where it’s now Chat noir vs Ladybug because of the whole “oops- I lied- your father was actually an asshole and was Hawk Moth the whole time” almost feels like it could be the direction the writers will go onto write off of to easily drag on the “will they won’t they” that’s currently at 50% thus far from what I was updated on.
I personally won’t get back into the show fully- especially with how its writing has soured a lot of it for me(fandom sadly included…)
I would be amused if they basically copied off of Avengers: The Cold War for season 6 and possibly 7 ☠️ especially if they have more heroes now thus more people to divide into either team Chat or team Ladybug
Well, based on what we've seen in Season 5 of Miraculous, there's a theory that Lila Rossi could have a transformative experience that changes her forever. Perhaps she realizes the consequences of her lies and manipulative behavior, leading her to reflect on her actions and make a genuine effort to change for the better. This could involve her seeking forgiveness, showing empathy, and becoming a more honest and trustworthy person. It would definitely be an interesting character development for Lila! 🐞🐾
I feel like the only person who could stop Lila rn is Dr Charles from Chicago Med. He'd put her on a psych hold.
Can you please make A spotify podcast on Miraculum?
I feel like Lila will tell the truth about her origin story
I hope she only last for one season, I don't want to see 3 more seasons with a Hawkmoth 2.0
I think they will reveal the secret identities of the heroes to the public. They told the whole class that Alix was Bunnyx and didn't say a word about keeping it a secret. Felix transformed in front of the masked rich kids, so rich kids probably think Adrien is Argos. Lila has knowledge of most of the identities through Gabriel's data, and why wouldn't she pursue them in their civilian lives or even expose some of them to public? I believe at some point of the series everyone in the world will end up learning heroes identities.
you know what my theory is about lila. Well, at first she behaves like an angelic girl, but it turns out that she is a fox, because Lila has been a participant in every event, learning and learning. At first, when Lila takes the book from Adrian, she learns about superheroes, maybe she understands the language, but again I can get information. that are valid, then when the battle of the superheroes is weighed Lila is in the tower creating her illusion that at that moment she could have seen the bride and the black maqok from the future fighting with the monarch, which she did not understand that she was at fault, should not be done more powerful in the future, for this reason she becomes an ally with Gabriel Agresten. But once again the question arises as to how it is possible that she knew Gabriel's secret that he was at fault, let's not forget that when she took Adrian's book, after the akumatization to Gabriel in the collector, it is more than understandable that it was his book and for this reason Lila has realized that he may have been the culprit and her theory may have come true when she helped Gabriel to accustom other people!