@@WanaxTV It's understandable Greek isn't the most easiest language to learn, my only complain is that i didn't find this channel sooner i have a lot catching up to do definitely earned my subscription
I'm so glad that you not only described Agamemnon's early history but also that he was an almost unmatched warrior I battle because that's indeed how he's described in the Iliad.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 true, they don't understand Agamemnon had no real legal power over the other greek kings and its they themselves who agreed to serve him.
Thanks for your informative history. I grew up on the Island of Crete. Visited Greece and saw the structures of this great leader. I appreciate the video of this unique time period.
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I will always defend the theory that Agamemnon was a true historical king, the last great king of Mycenae. Bards and storytellers do not preserve these characters just because. This king truly left a mark in hellenic culture and memory. I used to place his reign around 1250 BC, when Mycenae was "stronger". But, what do I know?
I had always assumed he was just a mythical figure encapsulating among later generations the faint remembrance of a time when Mycenae was the most powerful kingdom in Greece, but I was recently surprised to learn that Hittite records actually do mention an Achaean king named Attarsiya (the Greek equivalent would probably be Atreus, Agamemnon's father in the myth) waging war in Asia Minor around Miletus. This conflict happened centuries earlier than the putative dates of the Trojan War, but it still points to a distinct possibility that a dynasty of Atreus could have actually existed!
@@sakdavid Indeed. There were mycenaean kings with no doubt, Attarsiya is just one of those. There is indeed an expedition against Wilusa around the late 13th century BC, when the Ahhiyawa were still considered a powerful nation. I think Agamemnon was historical, at least he alone. If you want more of this, you should check out the documentary: In search of the Trojan War by Michael Wood.
Greetings from Turkey. It is really nice to come across with this channel. Subsctibed right away. Ancient Greeks are my fav topic. Especially fascinated by Aias' tragedy. Agamemnon also has a tragic fate. Even though Orestes insulted the gods by killing her own mother, own kin, he had no other choice but to avenge a legendary king who was stripped off his life by such cowardice.
There’s a story of a scythian warrior who fought for a king and slept with the queen. The king lost or was murdered by him and he fled to Egypt for a while and was given a wife there then left to Spain and then Ireland. This was Mileseus. Wonder if this story was somehow the story of the Trojan war somehow
I've used the commonly accepted dating of Eratosthenes with 1184 BC for the fall of Troy, and based the contemporary and near-contemporary events on that chronology. It fits perfectly with the chronology of Athenian, Spartan and Argive kings (because they are probably based on that date too), as well as dates for Aeolian and Ionian colonization of Asia minor.
I think, my personal opinion, that the majestity of the mycenaean Megaron, more than other equally majestic palaces like pylons and tyrins, aside the roads system that start from mycenae, tell that whoever lived there was the most powerful of the kings, what we call "the Supreme commander of the achaean league", maybe anachronistic, (a role that once was of Thebes probably, the seals and the diplomatic material found there tell something maybe about the theban relations with the middle east kingdoms, the cadmus myth probably originated from that). We cannot say that ever existed one Agamennon but the context, the environment, maked of palaces, kings, mutual relationships to avoid internal wars, gifts, and so on was surely true.
You continuously use the word "Anatolia". It is an anachronistic term and totally wrong that also means literally nothing, just "east". If you will cover Ceasar's wars in the future would you say "France" or "Gaul" ? The correct term for the period is "Asia minor". Please correct this.
Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know that. I thought that the ancient Greek colonists used it and also wanted to avoid word "Asia" so I wouldn't create confusion. I'd definitely use the word "Gaul".
@@WanaxTV The word came out after the battle of Manzikert when the Turks invaded the eastern border of the Eastern Roman Empire, they asked which Land is this and they took the answer "land of the east" - γη της ανατολής . Anatoli - Anatolu mispelled by the Turks - then it returned back as the term Anatolia (Ανατολία) used for the lost lands of the empire in the east, equilavent with the later term "near east". So the word was non-existant before the 12th century. In the time of the Trojan war, it seems that not even the word "minor" was used, just "Asia" since everything that was on the east side of the Aegean is Asia by definition and only in later times, it was defined as "Asia minor" (Μικρά Ασία) to distinguish it from the "Asia Major" Μεγάλη Ασία which is all the rest only later, possibly as late as the classical times. Be aware, Asia minor is ONLY the peninsula , so only up the cilicia and not all of today's Turkish state, which includes all north Syria, the most northern parts of Mesopotamia, and almost all Armenia.
@@WanaxTV I hope that you would make it clear when you are going to present the Trojan war that Troy was a Hellenic colony. It was named Ίλιον, from its founder Ίλος (hence "Heliad"), who was married the daughter of the wanax of Argos Άδραστος but even before the first king of Troy, Τεύκρος was from Crete. Therefore the oral tradition, gives to us that Troy was at first a "Minoan" colony, that later there was either via conquest or dynastic change an Achean derived dynasty with a possible re-foundation of the city (destroyed after an even earlier war?) so at the time of the Trojan war it may not had been Achean in the strict sense, but definetely it was culturally part of the Hellenic world, something that can be backed up not only by Homer (all the names, lifestyle, customs, and most of all religious customs beliefs are similar with the Acheans) but also backed up by archeological evidence.
@@aftastosk6016 You should check my video "Troy - History of the City before Trojan War" (th-cam.com/video/qIc0eevbyrY/w-d-xo.html). There I explained Teucer's colony, Dardanos' colony, Tros, Ilios and the Trojan foundation story, and also mentioned Hellenic customs, religion and language which are different from the Trojan allies of Asia. I will not explicitly discuss history/identity in the Trojan war series because that would ruin the story. The focus will be on the war itself and its characters.
The son of LOKI and a mortal mother,Vali traded the pick ⛏️ of his future offspring with the alien 👽 Troyjan race in exchange 💱 for knowledge of immortality. He later founded the PANTHEON an interventionist think 💬 tank whose members included many of his other children some adopted. However when Agamemnon's betrayals became known to the Pantheon he attempted to slay them all. He died during that battle, but he returned with the rebirth of the Norse Gods after RAGNAROK and worked with Amadeus Cho's Olympus Group. He captured WOLFSBANE when she was pregnant so he could steal her child 🚸 but the monstrous baby 🍼 killed him soon 🔜 after its birth! Merry Christmas ☃️🎄 Blessings and Hugs 💖💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕!
It's so nice hearing you about Mycenaean history also great pronunciation of the Greek names :D
Thank You! I'm trying my best, although sometimes I use more Anglicized versions.
@@WanaxTV It's understandable Greek isn't the most easiest language to learn, my only complain is that i didn't find this channel sooner i have a lot catching up to do definitely earned my subscription
I'm so glad that you not only described Agamemnon's early history but also that he was an almost unmatched warrior I battle because that's indeed how he's described in the Iliad.
Aye, it's a bloody disgusting shame that movies - and not just Hollywood ones - depict Agamemnon as a cowardly manipulative weakling.
@@ravensthatflywiththenightm7319 true, they don't understand Agamemnon had no real legal power over the other greek kings and its they themselves who agreed to serve him.
Great video. Thank you for covering that period of history. I can't wait to see other episodes
Great video! Congratulations!
Thank you so much for the feedback!
Great video! Can't wait for your Trojan War series!
Thank You! There will be episodes every week!
@@WanaxTV Great!
Also you here.
Quality production as usual, thank you
Thank you very much! Appreciate it as always!
Thanks for your informative history.
I grew up on the Island of Crete.
Visited Greece and saw the structures of this great leader.
I appreciate the video of this unique time period.
Thank you! Never been on Crete myself but I should definitely come by to visit the Minoan palaces! Appreciate the support!
Agamemnon- The mythological king 👑 of Mycenae in ancient Greece and commander in chief in the war to recover Helen from the Trojans.Superman met Agamemnon while traveling back 🔙 in time to ancient Greece and helped him finish building 🏫 the Trojan horse 🐴🐎! Blessings and Hugs 💖💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕!
the microphone is a lot better and your tone has improved.In general the videos are a lot better and i enjoy them 200% more good job.
Excellent work Sir
I will always defend the theory that Agamemnon was a true historical king, the last great king of Mycenae. Bards and storytellers do not preserve these characters just because. This king truly left a mark in hellenic culture and memory.
I used to place his reign around 1250 BC, when Mycenae was "stronger". But, what do I know?
I had always assumed he was just a mythical figure encapsulating among later generations the faint remembrance of a time when Mycenae was the most powerful kingdom in Greece, but I was recently surprised to learn that Hittite records actually do mention an Achaean king named Attarsiya (the Greek equivalent would probably be Atreus, Agamemnon's father in the myth) waging war in Asia Minor around Miletus. This conflict happened centuries earlier than the putative dates of the Trojan War, but it still points to a distinct possibility that a dynasty of Atreus could have actually existed!
@@sakdavid
Indeed. There were mycenaean kings with no doubt, Attarsiya is just one of those. There is indeed an expedition against Wilusa around the late 13th century BC, when the Ahhiyawa were still considered a powerful nation. I think Agamemnon was historical, at least he alone.
If you want more of this, you should check out the documentary: In search of the Trojan War by Michael Wood.
Greetings from Turkey. It is really nice to come across with this channel. Subsctibed right away. Ancient Greeks are my fav topic. Especially fascinated by Aias' tragedy. Agamemnon also has a tragic fate. Even though Orestes insulted the gods by killing her own mother, own kin, he had no other choice but to avenge a legendary king who was stripped off his life by such cowardice.
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There’s a story of a scythian warrior who fought for a king and slept with the queen. The king lost or was murdered by him and he fled to Egypt for a while and was given a wife there then left to Spain and then Ireland. This was Mileseus. Wonder if this story was somehow the story of the Trojan war somehow
Nice. Thank you
How do you come up with those exact chronologies?
I've used the commonly accepted dating of Eratosthenes with 1184 BC for the fall of Troy, and based the contemporary and near-contemporary events on that chronology. It fits perfectly with the chronology of Athenian, Spartan and Argive kings (because they are probably based on that date too), as well as dates for Aeolian and Ionian colonization of Asia minor.
The great, great, great ancestor of House Atreides.
I think, my personal opinion, that the majestity of the mycenaean Megaron, more than other equally majestic palaces like pylons and tyrins, aside the roads system that start from mycenae, tell that whoever lived there was the most powerful of the kings, what we call "the Supreme commander of the achaean league", maybe anachronistic, (a role that once was of Thebes probably, the seals and the diplomatic material found there tell something maybe about the theban relations with the middle east kingdoms, the cadmus myth probably originated from that). We cannot say that ever existed one Agamennon but the context, the environment, maked of palaces, kings, mutual relationships to avoid internal wars, gifts, and so on was surely true.
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You continuously use the word "Anatolia". It is an anachronistic term and totally wrong that also means literally nothing, just "east". If you will cover Ceasar's wars in the future would you say "France" or "Gaul" ? The correct term for the period is "Asia minor". Please correct this.
Thanks for the feedback. I didn't know that. I thought that the ancient Greek colonists used it and also wanted to avoid word "Asia" so I wouldn't create confusion. I'd definitely use the word "Gaul".
@@WanaxTV The word came out after the battle of Manzikert when the Turks invaded the eastern border of the Eastern Roman Empire, they asked which Land is this and they took the answer "land of the east" - γη της ανατολής . Anatoli - Anatolu mispelled by the Turks - then it returned back as the term Anatolia (Ανατολία) used for the lost lands of the empire in the east, equilavent with the later term "near east". So the word was non-existant before the 12th century. In the time of the Trojan war, it seems that not even the word "minor" was used, just "Asia" since everything that was on the east side of the Aegean is Asia by definition and only in later times, it was defined as "Asia minor" (Μικρά Ασία) to distinguish it from the "Asia Major" Μεγάλη Ασία which is all the rest only later, possibly as late as the classical times. Be aware, Asia minor is ONLY the peninsula , so only up the cilicia and not all of today's Turkish state, which includes all north Syria, the most northern parts of Mesopotamia, and almost all Armenia.
@@WanaxTV I hope that you would make it clear when you are going to present the Trojan war that Troy was a Hellenic colony. It was named Ίλιον, from its founder Ίλος (hence "Heliad"), who was married the daughter of the wanax of Argos Άδραστος but even before the first king of Troy, Τεύκρος was from Crete. Therefore the oral tradition, gives to us that Troy was at first a "Minoan" colony, that later there was either via conquest or dynastic change an Achean derived dynasty with a possible re-foundation of the city (destroyed after an even earlier war?) so at the time of the Trojan war it may not had been Achean in the strict sense, but definetely it was culturally part of the Hellenic world, something that can be backed up not only by Homer (all the names, lifestyle, customs, and most of all religious customs beliefs are similar with the Acheans) but also backed up by archeological evidence.
@@aftastosk6016 You should check my video "Troy - History of the City before Trojan War" (th-cam.com/video/qIc0eevbyrY/w-d-xo.html). There I explained Teucer's colony, Dardanos' colony, Tros, Ilios and the Trojan foundation story, and also mentioned Hellenic customs, religion and language which are different from the Trojan allies of Asia.
I will not explicitly discuss history/identity in the Trojan war series because that would ruin the story. The focus will be on the war itself and its characters.
@@WanaxTV thank you, i 'll do! I am waiting for your next upload
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The son of LOKI and a mortal mother,Vali traded the pick ⛏️ of his future offspring with the alien 👽 Troyjan race in exchange 💱 for knowledge of immortality. He later founded the PANTHEON an interventionist think 💬 tank whose members included many of his other children some adopted. However when Agamemnon's betrayals became known to the Pantheon he attempted to slay them all. He died during that battle, but he returned with the rebirth of the Norse Gods after RAGNAROK and worked with Amadeus Cho's Olympus Group. He captured WOLFSBANE when she was pregnant so he could steal her child 🚸 but the monstrous baby 🍼 killed him soon 🔜 after its birth! Merry Christmas ☃️🎄 Blessings and Hugs 💖💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕💕!
Tin-foiled hat wearer mumblings are truly the most hilarious comments you can find on this entire platform.
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No it isn’t
@@Sleepyboi2 yes it is
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Pfft! Get that bullshit outta here, Ἀγαμέμνων means, "very steadfast", "unbowed" or "resolute". And it's not Albanian. It's Greek.
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