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- During the second part of the 12th century BCE, the Mycenaean Greece was inevitably disintegrating and fading into the Dark Ages. The event that finally put an end to the Mycenaean era was known among the ancient Greeks as the "Return of the Heracleidae", where the northern warlords, allied with the Dorian tribes, marched on Peloponnese and defeated the Mycenaean king Tisamenus, the final Achaean ruler of the peninsula.
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The only place on TH-cam that has the most interesting videos on the Mycenaean age, amazing as always 👍🏻
Thank you, appreciate it! Mycenaean Greece is my favorite. It’s something that will permanently be on the channel
@@WanaxTV hey Wanax may I ask you question? why didn't the Athenians help the Mycenaean king, the Dorians were enemies of Athens for long time?
@@AdamAdam-fh7ln Good question. It’s hard to answer because we just have not enough evidence. We know that Athens survived unlike Mycenae.
It’s very possible that because of its decline, Mycenae was reduced to a small territory in Argolis and didn’t have much influence in the rest of Greece.
Athens also had only a small territory around the acropolis and wasn’t that important in Greece at the time anyway. That helped them avoid major attacks (unlike Mycenae) and just focus on preserving themselves. It is very unlikely that they faced a serious attack like Mycenae did, but rather a minor “spill-over” which they managed to defend against.
I always look forward to your new releases. Great and entertaining as always!
I really appreciate your support and nice comments. I worked a lot on improving the quality and effects over the past several weeks. Hopefully it shows!
Fantastic once again!!! I can't wait for your next videos covering the Greek Dark Ages ...?
Thanks Nikos, really appreciate it! Yes, in the next video we are definitely tapping into the Dark Ages!
entertaining, but i am very skeptical. so many details. what are the sources? and i don't think the oracle of delphi existed at that time....
Damn, this was a delightful video to watch. Thanks.
Thanks! After a while, we are finally back on the Saturday weekly schedule!
Thankyou again for another very well done video.
Well, thank you! Always appreciate the good feedback!
Great video as always, probably you could also cover the colonization of Asia Minor and Cyprus by the refugees of the Mycenaean world
Great video. Adds further to my knowledge of ancient Greek history.
Excellent video and I look forward to the next one!
Amazing video! I like the new ways in which you present the characters.
Thanks Odysseus. I have long thought of stepping up with that! With new year comes the updated quality!
@@WanaxTV Keep it up its great!
Eagerly waiting for the next episode 👍
Thank you! It should be out next Saturday as we are now back on the weekend schedule!
I am so happy I found this channel❤
Cool thanks mate
Thank you for this
How do we know the battle between Temenus and Tisamenus is supposed to have occurred exactly in 1040?
*1104 BCE I mean.
Good question. Ancient Greek writers devised many chronologies based on their dates for the Sack of Troy (1184 BC) and first recorded Olympics (776 BC).
1104 BC for the fall of Mycenae is based on the ancient dating which placed death of Tisamenus 80 years after the fall of Troy.
You make great videos!!
What am amazing Chanel... You are seriously undersubscribed
Are these names of kings from later semi-mythological sources, or is something confirmed also by Linear B sources?
The Linear B sources didn’t exist at the time, as the script ceased to exist in the first half of 12th century BC, while these events are dated to the very end of the century.
It was the oral tradition that went on about the subsequent events until the alphabet was later established.
@@WanaxTV ok, thanks for answering.
I read somewhere in an archeological book that a first attack occurred between 1200 and 1180 bc that caused the destruction of the lower city, but the stronghold the royal citadel was still inhabited, also if by now the king had lost his complex burocracy class and system probably , 80 years later the invasors, unknown, returned again to finish off the work and also the citadel was abandoned. This was established by the signs of destruction. What do you know wanax about the fall of Mycenae historically?
After how many years did mycenae declined after Trojan war?
what are the sources of these events?
So after the fall of Troy, when the Dardanelles were most likely closed to trade from the black sea bringing grain to Mycenae, many kings and princes chose to leave to find new homes elsewhere. Just as we hear of THE SEA PEOPLES invading Egypt (strange coincidence that). Then, as the depleted Mycenaean population struggled to survive, with many of their kinsfolk having left for other shores, Mycenae was attacked and sacked by 'The Heraclidae'. Along with all the other Mycenaean cities. The Dorians had arrived. And the Bronze Age collapse.
Now I understand. The Mycenaeans WERE the Sea Peoples.
And if it were the 'return' of the 'Heraclidae', they would have sought to bring about changes to the Mycenaean structures of civic government to bring them in line with what was there before, when Heracles was King. Instead they chose to deliberate and ultimately settle on new civic boundaries based upon the supporters of the victorious King. This tells me that they were nothing of the sort of 'the Heraclidae'. That was just a cover story to cloak their ambitions. VERY interesting.
how whe know all that??
The narration, without emphasis and with sing song delivery, is distracting, albeit the subject matter is sorely needed. Sad.
Set speed to 1.5. You're welcome.
I gave it a down vote for one reason. I feel it did not get to the point with only the pertinent information. There was a lot of non-causal information.
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so its the sons of heracles vs atreus funny how politic that is
and what warfare was that like
Perhaps there is descendants of Heracles in the world today?
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this happen sometime after the trojan war
I’ve come to the conclusion that the world was bare while the 12 tribes of Jacob were in Egypt. The famine was pretty bad. By the time God lead his people out in exodus… most were dead around the Mediterranean. And the world was repopulated with Gods people. Troy and greece were of the tribes. And when they talked about God in all those languages… they are talking about Moses. Everything is the same thing but different perspective. Like Samson was Hercules. They lived in the same time frame. I think Perseus was Joshua. Same time frame… and Achilles was king David. Agamemnon was Saul. But the truth was lost as time went on. The Bible is true, while Greek mythology is our perspective back then that survived by story telling. But it’s the same story. People are inaccurate. God is not.
funney if the trojian war was history it would be what ended the bronze age
I have enjoyed your series quite often but this one was really the least based in history or archaeology, based instead on later Greek legend and myth. The Bronze Age glory was long gone by 1124 BCE. What is your source for these strange claims - Herodotus? "Heracleidae" are pure mythology.
The story of Sparta is the proof! They believed that they were ancestors of Hercules, so Sparta was always ruled by two kings, the family of Aristodimus' children
@@exetlaios3 Too funny. Not historic at all.
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