My wife watches Superman 2: The Richard Donner Cut for the FIRST time
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Are you watching Ant Man 3? Or are you skipping it?
In response to you asking if there was another example of the director being changed and most of a movie being reshot ending up with two different movies, Exorcist: The Beginning (2004) and Dominion (2005), both of which are prequels of The Exorcist (1973) starring Stellan Skarsgård as Father Merrin. This explanation is lifted from IMDB trivia: Paul Schrader was originally hired as director of Exorcist: The Beginning (2004), but Morgan Creek ultimately rejected his "psychological thriller" approach, saying it was "commercially unmarketable". The decision was made to extensively rewrite and re-shoot the script, re-cast several roles, add new characters and give the director's chair to Renny Harlin. Schrader's version was originally supposed to be released direct to video, as a bonus feature on the DVD release of Harlin's version. However, in the wake of Exorcist: The Beginning (2004)'s box office failure, Morgan Creek abandoned this idea, allowing Schrader to present his version at several film festivals, as well as giving it a small scale theatrical release in several countries under a new title (Dominion: Prequel to the Exorcist). Schrader's version also received support from William Peter Blatty, who said to The Houston Chronicle that Schrader's version is "a handsome, classy, elegant piece of work."
Awesome movie
You guys should watch Batman The Killing Joke
Larry Niven wrote a psuedo documentary called Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex. It spoke of why Superman could never have sex with a human female. He would gut her like a trout and when he ejaulated it would shoot through her body, killing her instantly. A pubescent Superman would put holes in the roof if he masturbated . . . . it's all just physics!
I died laughing when he brought up Wonder Woman taking a pounding and to see her reaction that moment was priceless!!!🤣🤣🤣🙂
It's true though. They'd have some wild action
The conversation between Brodie and TS in Mallrats comes to mind.
Was expecting a "Holden Thomas Hardman" out of Jen after that one, lol.
😂😂😂
For those interested there is a film called The Super-freaks with Ron Jeremy as Superguy and Nina Hartley as Wonderful Woman. You get to visually see a god-like Superman pounding Womder Woman and it’s pretty graphic.
Superman learning how to safely be intimate with his significant other is actually a plot point in the Smallville TV show.
He didn't have any powers when that happened, either.
If Mallrats taught me anything, its he needs a Kryptonite condom.
And it was part of the original script of what became Hancock.
@@DrewD55 Well, the first time he and Lana did it he was depowered at the time but in later seasons I believe he and Lois were intimate and when Chloe (who knew about Clark's powers) asked how he was able to have that kind of relationship he simply said that he'd been training to better control his strength with Jor-El........ Which as I'm texting must have been REALLY awkward.
@@wolfkniteX TBH, stopped watched any of Smallville as appointment viewing after probably Season 7, so, if you say so, I won't argue. I have seen all of it, but details on the last few years, other than Cassidy Freeman,.as Tess? Hot. Otherwise, don't remember much.
Jen has really come along way! haha When watching the marvel movies she would talk about captain america like "See?! He's just soooo...... square" and now she's like "I really like and enjoy the good ol' boy scout!"
I wonder if they were to do a re-watch if Jen would give it a higher score now
When 'GOOD' good guys are done well, they're great to watch. Superman is so hard to do right though, so many forget about Clark and focus too much on the Super nonsense.
@@Bananahammock681the thing that makes Superman difficult today is that people are so cynical that they can't grasp onto someone so powerful as wanting to be a true hero and live a simple, loving family life as well.
That's why so many people today get excited by the knockoff Superman but is dark and edgy like what they see in Invincible and The Boys or even in Injustice.
The classic female journey my friend, they like them with a rough edge when they're younger to make things more exciting but as they start getting older and having kids they want the more clean cut reliable guy.
"General, haven't you ever heard of freedom of the press" is nowhere near as good of a line as "General, would you care to step outside". That's one point for the theatrical.
Totally agree with you 👍 most of donner cut is better but that line isn't
"General, would you care to step outside?" sounds more badass to me.
It also parallels the Diner where he's standing up to what is essentially a stronger foe.
I agree. I actually made my own cut between the 2 and left that line in.
It's way better, especially considering he got his ass kicked (for the first time ever) the last time he said that to someone, but he still said it full of confidence again even though the odds were once again against him.
I’m only 22 but i used to watch this movie on VHS along with the first one over and over again with my grandma. Insanely wholesome memories of her telling me how she saw these in the theater. The effects and fights are a capital B BLAST to watch.
I actually prefer old SFX to newer CGI stuff. The older effects may not look "real", but they still cool and there is just something, I dunno "magical" about old special effects. The Christopher Reeve flying SFX still look mostly amazing, especially his graceful take offs and landings, I prefer them to the modern day superhero landing with an earth-shattering THUD.
@@John-ct9zs if you want to see graceful, check out the original Supergirl movie starring Helen Slater. The plot and the movie overall aren't the best, to say the least, but the flying is *chef's kiss* BEAUTIFUL.
The look on Jens face after the take a pounding comment was hilarious
It was basically straight out of Mallrats when Brodie says that it would explode out of her back and kill her and only Wonder Woman would have a womb capable enough.
I think a third cut combing the best parts of both versions of II would be best.
Would love the Donner cut with the Kryptonians in Hick town footage added back removing some of the slapstick they go into.
“Who is this imbecile” ALWAYS makes me laugh.
😂😂😂
In regards to Superman giving up his power…I didn’t like how Lois did not try to talk him out of it.
In the Lester cut they don’t canoodle until after he loses his powers. Helps it make more sense and gives motivation.
She’s going to need to watch the theatrical version, even if it’s just on her own, because if you all plan on watching Superman Returns, there’s going to be some confusion if she hasn’t seen the theatrical cut since Returns jumps off from that version of Superman 2.
Oh wow! Starting with the Donner cut. Glad you two are continuing this nostalgic journey. Thank for the fun content. 🖖
This is the second time Jen has mentioned Holden looking good in a Superman costume. My wife would only have to say it once and it would arrive the next day
For me, the best thing in the Donner Cut DVD was Richard Donner and Tom Mankiewicz's commentary where they trash talked the Salkinds (Alexander and Ilya) with both barrels blazing. Interestingly Richard Lester escaped any real blame as Donner admitted he was just doing his job. And he gives all the credit to the young film editor: Michael Thau for a masterful job, and convincing Donner that the fans were jonesing super hard for this cut. 👍 😎
Christoper Reeve's casting has to be right up there as one of the finest, and most suitable, in cinema history. He was so great as both Clark and Kal El. He did so much to distinguish the two characters - posture, tone of the voice, awkward mannerisms, smiling on the other side of his face..... It wasn't simply a case of him "just wearing glasses" or having a different hair cut.
He was also excellent as the "naughty" Superman in the third film, which alone justifies watching Superman 3 - they should have built the entire film around that idea.
I've seen both versions, but if I'm being honest, I like the original cut more. It might just be that I'm used to the original since I saw it as a kid and the Donner cut wasn't available until well into my 40s. Had I watched both as an adult I probably would have preferred the Donner cut. Nostalgia wins out with this one for me.
I agree. I love the theatrical version of Superman II. The main problem with the Richard Donnor Cut for me is it (through no fault of its own) feels too much like a rough cut of the movie due to Richard Donnor not being able to complete it.
I like both really. Lois shooting Clark is a far greater scene than Clark putting his hand in the fire ON PAPER but since it was an audition scene, it's not polished, it's the wrong clothes and so forth. So the hand in the fire of course comes off better. Same as the fall into the water vs jumping out the window. I wished Donner had actually directed the gun firing scene in the movie.
I also miss the big red S and all the other stuff that happened in the Fortress. Although my personal most powerful scene of either flicks was Jor-El touching Clark and somehow passing on his powers so to speak. Before this happened, I thought the DC was a little cold but with this scene my head exploded when that happened. I was like wow what a powerful scene. So I had the DC as the better version. But the ending time-travel was dumb so it made everything even. lol
I too like the original cut. I think the humour was really needed, and some quotes like "General, would you care to step outside" are refreshing as they are a nice throwback to what he said earlier to the bully
I love Jen's reaction to the "take a pounding" joke.
lol ..about clark having sex with lois, he has to excert and manipulate the electromagnetic spectrum due to his kryptonian dna is highly evolved to actually hurt her, he also uses a kryptonian meditation technique to lower that same spectrum so he can have sex with lois its the same when he is "weaker" as clark kent
Wonder Woman can “take a pounding”. Probably my favorite thing Holden’s ever said! 😂
In the originals that green crystal is like some kind of key. It builds the fortress in the first movie. In the second movie he is showing it to Lois and she doesnt put it away and puts her purse over it. So that when the console in the fortress destroys itself it is not in there. When he comes back they show the crystal calling to him again like it did when he was young and found it in the barn. It is implying that by lois messing up and the crystal avoided its destruction because it was left out of place, he was able to call back his fortress and regain his powers.
29:02- Perfect delivery. Right sound level and intensity. The acting and movements. All perfect. That's why that line can't be topped.
I love the wife's expression. You should watch the theatrical cut !!
21:17 I believe this is the first time Holden actually doesn’t mean it as a euphemism 😂 he was actually being serious and used “pounding” to mean resilient lol
Did we just watch Holden and Jen agree to role-playing as Superman and Wonderwoman 👀. You kids have fun lol
that thumb up after ahaha
And this is where I keep my wife who's willing to cosplay... Or at least I would, if I HAD ONE!!!
Seriously, the back and forth between you two is perfection. Keep expanding my future relationship goals.
One major problem I have with the Richard Donnor Cut is how Louis realises Clark Kent is Superman five minutes into the movie. I think it works a lot better in the theatrical cut when it’s about 45 minutes into the movie.
There are a few reasons that Superman giving his powers up makes sense, one of them being that when he got to a certain age he stopped aging at the same rate as humans, so Lois would die of old age while Superman would still be young.
in case it hasn't been mentioned, In the theatrical cut it's more less explained that the green Crystal that Superman showed Lois that built the fortress of solitude was instrumental in him gain his power back ( Lois forgot to put the crystal back in the control panel). Either directly absorbing the energy within the Crystal or the Crystal repairing the damaged control panel. Superman goes back into the molecule chamber, molecular structure is reconstituted back into a Kryptonian or it draws out all the red solar energy that was embedded in his physiology...
Fun Fact. The scene at the hotel in Niagara Falls where Lois shoots Clark. That whole scene was all of Margo Kidder screen tests when she was still trying to get the role. Donner never got to shoot the scene when filming so he had to use the screen test footage.
@15:50 Holden laughing at kids getting a good ole fashioned smacking always gets a chuckle outta me XD.
I like both the Lester Cut and the Donner Cut of Superman 2, but if I were to be totally honest, I grew up the Lester Cut, especially the TV version of the Lester Cut that had many Donner scenes in it and the Lester cut feels like a real movie. The 2006 Donner Cut feels like a special feature on a DVD/Blu-ray. Plus I prefer Lois finding out about Clark with him tripping over the pink rug and his hand in the fire, more accidentally, then the silly blank gun thing. The blank gun bit really feels dated, very Silver Age, very 70s/early 80s, whereas Clark accidently revealing himself feels like something we could still do today. And Lois jumping out of the Daily Planet building is cute, and the SFX are incredible for 1981, but the Lester version of Lois jumping into Niagra Falls actually feels more serious, less silly....this despite Lester being the more silly director compared to Donner.
I feel same glad not only one lol
10:38- his eye glasses don’t melt because the lenses were made out of the glass from his krypton capsule (at least according to the comics )😊
I like the Donner Cut more overall, but after seeing that Paris Eiffel Tower opening for 40 years it’s hard to imagine Superman II without it. I love that scene.
Especially with Perry White's best joke " If Paris blows up I want my best reporter right in the middle of it"
Everything about the Donner Cut is predicated on the fact that it was originally one long script split into two films. In the original film, the ending was changed so that the reversing time thing was used to save Lois, when the reversing time was the original ending for 2. In the original, Lois wasn’t supposed to die, and the reason for 2 missiles was one to get tossed into space and the other to hit California. I agree though, the diner follow up should have been cut in this version. The only way we would know how it was all supposed to go is to have the complete Mario Puzo script to see where the balance.
The Brando footage was shot during the first film, and was not used in the second because Brando chose not to come back and finish it under Lester due to his loyalty to Donner.
The shot of Lois at the typewriter before he turned back time was another actress who auditioned for the role.
Please show her the theatrical version and react to it. Its only fair. You guys should've watched that one first. Lester's cut was completed and was officially released. We don't even know if this was Donner's final cut. You gotta show her Lester's cut.
In the other version they did explain how he got his powers back, and it was better.
He goes to Zod as a human and tricks them into taking him to the Fortress of Solitude, and the opposite process that before took his powers away, the 2nd time around takes the powers of Zod and the other 2 away, gives Superman back his powers because the red light was outside and the green inside.
The theatrical version is the best version because it’s the movie that was finished for us to see. The Doner cut is a ruff draft to showcase what he originally intended for the movie. It’s the best he could do with what he was working with 25 years later.
Watching this reaction and Holden mentions Bruce Almighty. My TV is playing and 10 minutes later Bruce Almightly literally just started. Talk about timing.
When I saw the Donner cut the first time, I didn't realize it was a different cut. It was just advertised as Superman II. For a few days I thought I had dementia because Superman II is my favorite movie of all time and I've seen it hundreds of times. I was freaking out watching scenes I never saw before, especially when she found out Clark was Superman which was totally different in both cuts. 🤣
@holdenhardman Still hoping for a SUPERMAN 3 reaction. It has some of the best moments in all the movies. Most of the hate, I believe, was simply because not every Superman fan was a Richard Pryor fan. So, when Pryor took half the movie, the Superman fans were appalled. It didn't help that Gene Hackman didn't return also. But overall, if the 1st movie is 10/10 and the 2nd is 9/10, the 3rd movie has so many great moments, it deserves no less than 8.5... but that rating is from a Pryor and Superman fan. The junkyard fight scene is the best. However, just to show I'm not deluded, SUPERMAN 4 is truly total garbage.
I do enjoy the third more than the first two actually. There is just so much going on. The entire storyline around Pryors character, the villain, the entire smallville storyline, Lana Lang etc. I find it quite enjoyable.
I agree with the fourth one not being good. The best thing for me is actually the story about the new love interest and them trying to buy the Planet if I remember correctly, the entire storyline about the nuclear guy is just lame. It has Jon Cryer though in one of his early roles and I really enjoyed his portrayal of Lex Luthor in Supergirl.
Also agree that Superman 3 would be worth the watch.
Pryor does what he can with the terrible script. The writers thought he would improv and make it better but he stuck to what was written which was pretty bad for the most part.
Agreed. It did have some great moments with my favourite being the corrupted(?) Superman thread. I would have loved to have seen the entire film based around this idea of an (some say Evil) Superman, especially because we could have got even more of Christopher Reeve in the film, and he was equally good playing this other character as he was Clark and Kal El. If I recall correctly, the "naughty" Superman was Christopher Reeve's idea.
@@dangiambrone7350 Have you watched SMALLVILLE?
Mark 10:34. In "The Golden Age" they worked for "The Daily Star"! They got married too! In "The Silver Age" he was powerful enough to move planets, et cetera, as needed. But in the comics, both versions of Lois Lane were out to prove that Clark Kent and Superman were the same! Both scolded her for putting others at risk because he couldn't be free to save them because of her tests! 😁
I like this version but I always thought the hand in the fire was actually a much better scene.
I would recommend watching all 218 episodes of Smallville. Well cast and lasted 10 years.
I'd still like it if you both watch and review the theatrical version (and mention that they had to take the Marlon Brando scenes out of the theatrical version because of the money Brando had to be paid to use his scenes was a budget problem).
Oh, how perfect! I have to leave for class in literally 48 minutes from now!
I feel that way about Army of Darkness. There are aspects of the various cuts that I prefer over other versions. I almost wish they used lots of chapter stops and let you assemble your own cut through seamless branching.
I'm Brazilian and SUPERMAN for me is the best superhero movie of all time! I watched it at the cinema when I was a child and I still feel like a child today and I am enchanted by the action scenes and special effects! For me it will always be a wonderful and untouchable classic.
"Like pets "
and "If Paris Blows up , I want my best reporter right in the middle of it ": is my favorite line from a Superman movie, If i had to pick "Like Pets" cracks me up evertime so perfectly delivered
Margo Kidder’s performance in Lester’s cut, her final scene in particular, makes that version the superior cut by far.
She looked unhealthy in the Lester Cut.
@@alucard624, she looked a little older, because she was a little older, but her performance was brilliant
@@SchlockstarJoe Yea she was good crying at the Daily Planet before the super-kiss. I sort of wished like there was a ultimate version maybe keeping the best of both movies. Where you get her Fortress crying scene, then you have her crying at the DP. You even get the super-kiss. But before the movie ends, you see her maybe do some winking to the camera meaning she has not forgotten anything. Superman just gave her a super-kiss to cheer her up.
FYI: Terrance Stamp/General Zod, voices the role of Jor-El in the Fortress on ‘Smallville’
This is a great recut version of Richard Donner's SUPERMAN 2. This is exactly what Richard Donner had in mind before he as tired from the project.
The 4K version, I heard, coul have been better with the VFX, but the sound mix is epic, as Ken Thorne's musical score can be heard in it's pristine glory. I remember watching the 17 minutes behind the scenes involving the deleted scenes that were inserted into this version.
The pilot of the capsule on the moon is the same actor who played Luke’s gunner Dak in The Empire Strikes Back. Ironically, he gets crushed in a ship in that movie too.
The reporter in “Houston” was in A New Hope as the officer Vader chokes.
In the theatrical cut, the hologram was not his father, but was played by the actor who was Lando’s aide in The Empire Strikes Back.
And, Zod (Terence Stamp) played Chancellor Valorum in The Phantom Menace.
Ha. One problem with the time travel ending is that the guy in the diner would have no idea who Clark is. From his point of view, a random stranger comes in a terrorizes him. lol
They did do two Adam west Batman movies recently. Both animated due to his age one was “Batman: Return of the Caped Crusaders” and “Batman vs Two-Face”. They’re both done in the style of the the 1960s Batman.
I'm so used to the theatrical cut that I miss the stuff that's only in that one too much.
The best version of this movie would be the theatrical version and the Donnor edited together to make one very good cohesive movie. Donnor’s opening with Lester’s ending are the main two edits. Keeping in how Clark gets his powers back. Keep all the Jor-El scenes. Cut the Lois shoots Clark scene, which is painfully obvious that it was test footage and keep the tripping into the fireplace scene. Those are just a few off the top of my head. I will cut this together one day.
Wonder woman can take a pounding 😂😂😂 crying here lol 😂😂 Jens face when u said that 😂
- Hate the memory wipe kiss from the theatrical version, but glad that they didn't go with doing the reverse time bit over again from the first movie.
- SUPERMAN & LOIS recently did an homage of sorts to the end diner scene from this movie. It's pretty cool.
Didn't like time being erased because you didn't watch the theater version. But at the same time, time wasn't erased because the guy at the diner remembered Clark at the end.
Holden and Jen, I really think that Jen should see the Theatrical Version. I think most people would enjoy hearing Jen's reaction to that version and how she likes it in comparison to the Donner Cut. I would enjoy watching her reaction but really would just like to see her summation review compared to this version, not necessarily a full video. Also, looking forward to seeing you 2 eventually dressed up as Superman and Wonder Woman...😁🙃🙂😄
I totally get the not wanting to overdo the Supes 2 viewings but please do show Jen the theatrical cut 🙏🥺 the Donner cut is amazing but she enjoys Reeve's portrayal so much that i think she'd get so much out of the polarbear reveal, his entirely human frustration in the face of pure chance after he went to such effort still gives me goosebumps to this day!
Way back when I first saw this on VHS, I wasn't accustomed to foreign accents in the least; so when Zod says "You WILL bow down before me. Both you; and then one day your heirs!!" I actually heard: "Both you and then one day your ass!!!"
21:12 Jen's faces truly are the best😂😂😂😂. And Holden does know how to bring them out 😂😂
The greatest philosophical discussion ever !!
I'm standing by the fact that The Richard Donner Cut is the definitive Superman (Part) II.
I commented before your ending commentary and I wanted to add something. In the original when he goes back to the Fortress of Solitude he tried to own up to his mistake and he gets no guidance from Gor El then he finds the green crystal. For me that was always enough. In the first movie he is Clark Kent until he finds that crystal that "called to him" and with it he goes north and it builds the fortress and then he becomes Superman. I was fine with the mystery of him getting his powers back after finding the green crystal again and if you remember, he showed it to Lois and she left it on the step away from the console that was destroyed when he chose to give up his powers. That said to me that crystal should have been destroyed also but wasn't and so that was how he regained his powers. I agree Holden, that both versions have pros and cons and I think they could make a really good extended cut using both versions but story wise I think the original/theatrical is better.
I love the Donner Cut as a stand-alone movie, but theatrical version matches the original film’s theme much better.
The "he can't be with Lois because she'd be a target" doesn't fly as well as it does with Spider-man. Lois is already considered close to Superman, even when she wasn't "with" him. Lex told Zod specifically that just hang onto her and Superman would come running.
'Wonder woman could take a pounding' 😂😂😂😂. What a quote. Cheered me up anyway 😁
Mark 19:22. Jenn, I agree with you! I, too, see the resemblance! But now that I'm seeing her again, I now see how Elizabeth Tullock resembles Margot! 😎
2:27 Exorcist: The Beginning and Dominion: Prequel to the Exorcist are another example of two different movies of the same one
Superman, thank god. I mean, GET HIM! 😂
I grew up with the theatrical version and I prefer it. you guys should watch both. would love to see the comparison
The ending is really the only problem ive seen people have with it but there is a reason for it
Superman The Movie and Superman 2 were shot simultaneously with the intention to release them around 6 months apart, just like the same producers did with Three Musketeers and Four Musketeers (directed by Richard Lester)
Originally Superman The Movie was suppose to end when he throws the rocket into space and it hits the Phantom Zone, then the movie would end. There would be no reversing time. The producers liked the effect and asked Donner to use it in the first film. Donner planned to come up with a new ending for Superman 2 but was fired before he could do that.
Fun Fact: That was a photo of Bill Cosby in Perry White's office. It was a tribute to Cosby for his (back then) famous comedy routine about Superman from the early 60s. An early Easter egg.
Great reaction and I loved how Jen embraced the campiness of the movie. Also really appreciated Holden pointing out the differences between this and the theatrical cut. Personally I have only seen the latter so this reaction was insightful to say the least.
Please, at least show Jenn the Lois memory loss scene. I guarantee you she will like that ending a lot better. Excellent acting by Margot Kidder.
I personally like to call this one The “Fan Edit - with Donner’s approval” Cut
I mentioned this in the comments when you watched the first film, the Donner Cut is the original vision for the film. Him turning back time was originally supposed to be the ending for the sequel but the production issues forced them to use it for the first.
Just my opinion, but I feel like you should have watched the theatrical version first so she could see the differences between the two films.
The reason Clark's hair and glasses change in the scene when Lois "shoots" him was never properly filmed. When they restored the film, they combined two screen tests Reeve filmed with Margot Kidder and Holly Palance when they were auditioning actresses for Lois.
I agree about the diner scene at the end. Makes no sense. I still don't understand why they included it.
They should give this version the “Special Edition” treatment to fix the scene where Lois finds out about Clark by using CGI to give continuity to his build and glasses frames, as well as his voice and double when Lois jumps out of the window.
I do miss her jumping into the falls in this cut though. Makes more sense to me story wise and for the flow.
Holden, I have to say that the theatrical version DOES explain how he got his powers back. Lois' handbag covered the green crystal, so it wasn't drained, and Supes found it and used it. The thing I don't like is the fornication. They never showed Supe's mother marrying them!
COME to me Superman ! KNEEEEEEL BEFORE ZOD !!!
Holden Hardman the Donner cut shows us the original ending for superman The Movie with the rockets releasing the 3 Villains. I only watch the Donner Cut of superman II.
This is Superman, not that other crap. Most people dont really understand what makes Superman Superman. There are a lot of other heros and villians with the same powers. Supermans real power is that he is the epitome of what humanity can be. That is what makes him special and SUPER :)
Fun fact: the news reporter is the actor who played Admiral Motti in Star Wars: A New Hope. As the guy Darth Vader chokes. He also was married to the Kryptonian woman Ursa
10:48 a lot of fans reckon that line was performed by Brandon Routh
Fun Fact: When the german Director's Cut Edition of Superman came out, Lois Lane was actually dubbed by the same voice actor for Monica Geller.
Mark 12:49. They made the crew capsule too small to hold that many people! Just ask the folks at "Grumman" that made the real ones! 😁
I do prefer Lester's ending with the kiss. With Donner's one wonders, will turning back time be Superman's solution to everything. I can understand doing it to resurrect Lois but here it seems a bit extreme.
TASM 2 Needs a Directors cut so bad. If you have heard and seen the things that had happend behind the scenes u know what I'm talking about
Like you Holden I’m torn between the theatrical and the Donner cut. I don’t know which version the more substantial version of this movie. I do appreciate this cut mainly for Marlon Brando because his performance as Jor-El is brilliant so it’s always great to see his performance on screen
Lester is too goofy. Donner is the Original Vision.
@@domingorubies656 You need a little slapstick in these films. It's what makes the Clark Kent scenes that more entertaining
@@domingorubies656 Lester threw in slapstick stuff thinking he was making another Beatles movie like Hard Days Night. It worked for them but not Superman.
Goofy Lester stuff aside, the opening sequence in Paris was like a thousand times better than the Donner cut's version. I also prefer the part where Lois jumps in the river and he saves her without letting her know, along with the reveal at the fire. And even with that "magic kiss" the ending of the theatrical makes more sense. But I love both. If you could merge the best of both you might have the best of them all.
@@envymyediting Agreed! The main issue with the DC adding scenes was that there were not finished. ON PAPER it's better that the Phantom Zone guys get freed by the missile from the first Superman movie. But in execution the Paris stuff is better. The same thing as Lois shooting Clark while actually good, it was an audition scene so not very polished, hence the hand in the fire comes off better. The river stuff was better than when Lois fell off the Daily Planet as well. But Donner only wanted to keep his stuff. There should definitely be a way to merge the best stuff of both.
The image of "you wouldn't let me die, Superman" is a cover from an Action Comics way back in the Silver Age.
I'm a kid from the 70s, and loved the original Superman & Superman II. I've never actually seen the Donner Cut.
This was my favorite movie as a kid. By a mile. I must have been 2 or 3 when it was released and I wouldn’t take my Superman Underoos PJs off. It was apparently a daily quest to get me to wear regular clothes to school (or wherever a small toddler goes). Such a classic.
This scene right here 17:20 was originally just a screen test for Margot Kiddor. The official scene for the Final Cut was never filmed because Donner had to stop filming Superman 2. Then he was fired.
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Notes: Holden! Hold on to the concept that in a multiverse, all of the versions co-exist!
On the big screen, I probably didn't notice it! But on my smartphone, with the imagery concentrated into a small screen, I saw how bright red or pink people's lips were!
The big irony of "Superman Returns" is how everyone, including the city, was recast, except for "Jor-El"!
You mentioned 3 & 4 but excluded 1984's "Supergirl" starring actress Helen Slater!
I know that they were cheaper, but I liked them all. I thought that salaries were the biggest expense back then.
The thumbs up about the Wonder Woman costume had me in stitches!
BTW, the diner bully was a retired pro wrestler named Pepper Martin who was active in the 1960s.
There was a short story actually on the topic of Superman and Lois called "Man of Steel, Woman of Tissue Paper" by Larry Niven
I prefer the theatrical version becuase it didn't repeat the time reverse theme and it didn't have lois shooting clark kent instead clark kent revealed himself to her which was a lot better.
The time reversal and Lois dying was the original ending for the 2nd movie but moved to the 1st one. They never made a new ending for Donner's version due to him being fired after his comments about Pierre Spengler