I tried to duplicate this issue many times with my RXM. I think it may just be your RXM. I’ve also had issues with Glocks initially from the factory. Every manufacturer will have some level of defects. I would give ruger the opportunity to fix it.
Doubtful. The others are just hiding it. Just like how most reviewers said nothing about the Bodyguard 2.0 shooting left (because they couldn’t be bothered with making sure the sights were aligned before sending them off the line) and not liking flat faced ammo.
I'm sure I'm not the only person. This is why we do not edit the videos. I could simply edit the video and no one would know. If I was right handed and used my thumb to drop the slide no one would ever know the issue existed.
Other guntubers have also had problems. It's how I know you have to use a shorter screw over the ejector when installing a red dot, otherwise you'll have feeding problems.
Did I miss the part where you activated the slide stop/slide release with your finger? Does it work if you are a right hander and just hit the release with your thumb? Just curious? I've never been trained to rack the slide with my thumb and forefinger so would this problem be an issue for me?
My cousin bought 1, he put 350 through it, in about 30 minutes. He said it was really hot, but straight outta the box, magpul mags and zero issues. I am curious as to if this is a "one off" or if it happens to others as well
Been awhile since I commented. Thanks for the video this one has been on my radar and looks like it may be a hard pass. Side note, I finally sold my Smith and Wesson Metal Carry Comp and purchased a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, what a fantastic one and certainly an upgrade over the underwelming Metal Carry Comp. Keep up the amazing work, hard to believe you have grown so fast, I remember the days of the under 1000 subs. Great content as always.
I’m looking in to purchasing this one for my EDC, I know I could spend $200+ more. Get the Gen 5 but I like Rugers. Have you reach out to Ruger and ask them?
Glad to see you investigated the problem and figured it out does gen3 mags have the same issue because you said you were using gen4 mags. Great video showing the problem. Thanks
Was wondering when the production bugs would show up in the gun. This inevitably happens with any new product and will have to be dealt with. While I have no interest in buying one (I"m thinking about getting a Glock 48) I'll be interested in seeing how Ruger gets this resolved.
I wonder if you just got a bad one, or is this going to be a big issue with this pistol. Would love to know how Ruger would handle this if you contacted them. Thanks for another great review.
Ruger’s website mentions this: “Most major components are designed for Gen 3 compatibility with off-the-shelf parts, holsters, and accessories for nearly unlimited customization.” So wouldn’t that mean that it shouldn’t take gen 4 and 5 Glock mags? This might be why you are having some issues.
I noticed you pull the slide back with just your thumb and index finger. Try wrapping your palm over the top of the slide for a better stronger grip then pull back. Even if that doesn't fix the problem racking the slide with only two fingers is a bad habit anyways!
That isn’t the issue and it isn’t a bad habit. It doesn’t matter how hard you pull the slide back if the slide stop doesn’t drop. As the moment the slide moves backwards the slide stop should drop and allow the slide to move forward.
Thanks for documenting this... hopefully Ruger is watching this too. One thing I do know about Ruger is their customer service is amazing. It will be an interesting pistol once they get it ironed out. Curious... does the Ruger slide fit a Glock 19 or 45 frame?
The magpul Glock 19 magazines were not made until 2015. The Gen 4 Glock was released in 2010. The current 9mm Pmags that are provided with the gun are designed to work in Gen 5 Glocks.
Just got mine home and playing with the slide stop, I don’t believe mine is going to have any of the issues yours is having. I believe a trip back to Ruger for corrective action would be appropriate for your sample. Going to load up several hundred rounds in mags and hopefully get a range trip in soon.
Call ruger. They will fix the problem. Even glock turns out a lemon now and then. My nephew got a glock 19x. Would not sight in. Took it back to the dealer, they called glock and got the problem rectified. Also you are using Gen 5 mags. Use what it calls for. Myself, I'll be buying one after I recover from Christmas
I've been considering one of these, but it appears that some bugs need to be worked out. I've owned a Shadow Systems for a few years and no issues so far with that.
Have 500 rounds through mine no issues . And yes it does have packing grease had grayish white grease all over . Mabe it’s a lemon or yoh . I have Glocks also my 43 brand new would double feed and fail to extract does that mean Glock is not good ?
There's one tiny spot of grease on the slide. If grease was an issue how would companies test fire the guns prior to shipping? If anything grease would cause a failure to feed. That isn't the issue here. No one said Glock doesn't have issues. Do they have as many issues as Ruger or every other Glock clone?
It seems like a quality control issue. I have about 300 through mine, using factory glock mags, with no issues at all. Sucks either way. You should expect better from a reputable company!
I agree. It's more than likely a QC issue. The design is 27 years old - It would have taken a very short amount of time to design a better slide stop system and it would have fit into the FCI without any issues.
I'm really sad you got a bum one. Mine (fingers crossed) seems to be working just fine at least for now. I'll have to keep an eye on it. I have removed the slide and inserted both the Pmag and OEM mags and the actual Glock mag pushes the slide stop lever more positively. I also tried an ETS mag and its similar. The Magpul feels spongy if that makes any sense. So there definitely is a difference. Thanks for reporting what you are experiencing. I'm gonna remain positive mine holds up.
i have the same issue on you wont believe it a Beretta 96 compact BECAUSE i replaced the stop, it will go forward if i press the stop down, obviously it was the overall dimensions on the stop, but honestly i was o.k. with it , icould have easily put the old one back
I think the issue is probably is that Glock OEM mags the follower goes up higher than the Magpul. My Ermox hates Pmags/Won't cycle, but with the OEM Glock mags/their factory mags (After replacing the mag springs lol) it functions flawlessly.
I wonder what the difference is between the Magpul magazines and OEM Glock mags? If the gun works fine with the Magpul mags then it's something with the OEM mags. I buy m&p pistols because of the grip angle and better factory sights but I agree with you, if you want a Glock just get the Glock. I can get them used all day for $400 with night sights.
So I’m not having your issue. But I’m having another concerning issue. After watching your video i went and looked at my rxm. I used the supplied magpul magazine with two different hp rounds. Mine at hand were federal and Remington hp. Both jammed up on the feed ramp of the rxm. So i went a grabbed a g17 mag i had and they both fed fine. On closer inspection the magpul magazine has the rounds pointed right at the feed ramp and the Glock magazine had them tilted higher pointed at the chamber . I’m guessing most folks aren’t doing much testing with hp ammo but this is a huge problem unless you just want a fmj range gun. I know money is always an issue but i would love to see if your rxm is having the same issues as mine and if it does magpul needs to stand up and fix it.
Glocks have done this plenty It has nothing to do with getting hot or anything like that. Its simple a spec issue with the slide stop like i already said in the first video. The design is no different than gen 3 Glocks.....the same exact things can and have happened to a Glock
Yes. 27 years ago Glock produced an item with this problem. That's why they are on Gen 5. If you're going to knock something off you should easily be able to address the known issue that the platform has. The slide stop is easily improved with the FCI and they didn't do it.
@@averagemarksmanyou understand the patent laws and infringement right? Ruger can't clone anything past a Gen 3 because of the patents. Some of the nicest guns there are namely 1911/2011 are all clones You're not being fair with Glock clones and what Ruger and Magpul are doing here. You should embrace and encourage the next evolution to where this is going. When Glock copies this and they will...who was the innovator Ruger or Glock
@ I understand patents and I understand why every random company knocks off the Gen 3. The Gen 4/5 patents are still valid. The evolution isn’t going anywhere. They could have improved the slide stop design in minutes and they didn’t. Magpul will release several colors of the grip and move on to the next item. Glock will already have patents for a far superior FCI/FCU.
@@averagemarksman right but as of today Glock doesn't have an FCU do they? They haven't even hinted to that or created any marketing. Glock has an absolutely horrible MOS system. They still ship guns with plastic sights on Gen 5 for hell sake. And you're going to sit here and tell us they are better. I love Glock always have but what has Glock innovated in the last 27 years? It's time for a change and Ruger is already way ahead of Glock
They still sell 1911’s because a group of people think they are cool. No one thinks a 1911 is innovative. They made this to sell to people who want to purchase four different colors grips and post photos on IG of tacticool pistols.
Hey I like your channel.. The Glock 19 Gen 3 is still available in gun shops brand new.. They are at least $499 so you get this gun with more options and a $100 less..
I’m not sure how many people still buy the Gen 3.. I’m always hearing a lot of people say on TH-cam and police that their favorite Glock 19 is the Gen 3..
@ it would be interesting to know how many people do though. Im my mind they still produce them for the same reason companies offer any lower quality products. Lower priced items open up the: “well for this much more you can get this one” statement and it works. It’s simple marketing.
The slide stop isnt loose. The mag is pinching the slide stop against the frame because Glock mags are fatter than pmags. Also since you are left handed you bias the mag toward the slide release causing the pinch. If you hold it with your right hand you will see the issue go away. Doesn't mean its acceptable but that is what is happening.
I tested it with my left and right hand. The magazines all (three different manufactures) have plenty of play in the grip. The issue is the same. I even pulled out the calipers and the Glock magazines are not fatter than the Pmags. The slide stop being able to move all over the place is the issue. It gets stuck on the frame of the FCI. You can literally see where it rubs on it.
Keep testing, I like the way you do this.👊 I am waiting on the availability of a 10mm grip and slide before I buy one.🤷♂ This will give me a 10mm that uses Glock magazines, making it compatible with my CMMG Banshee and the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm, but it has the 1911 grip angle I have shot for over 30 years. 👊 So I am ok with working through some issues on the tool, nobody's life will depend on the tool I have planned, zombies may be in trouble though.🤣
🎯Shadow systems is nicer than an actual Glock but the budget Glock clones I agree with you💩 Glock needs to come out with a performance center line of guns upgraded sites direct mount optic better grip texture upgraded trigger🔫 threaded barrel with available compensator
yeah... he clearly doesn't get that... I think the issue is that the mag its self (not follower, and only with Glock OEM mags) is also able to push up the slide catch just enough that sometimes it blocks the slide when a loaded glock oem mag is loaded which would probably mean the slide catch has bad geometry OR when designing the gun the mags are inserted just too high for glock oem mags but I suppose the magpul pmags dont stick as high so they run fine those are my theories
The slide stop get's stuck on the frame because of how much play it has. The issue occurs when the magazine is loaded. Did you watch the video? When the magazine is loaded and the slide is pulled backwards to slide stop should instantly drop - it doesn't.
@@averagemarksman put a loaded mag in the gun with the slide locked back, hold the slide all the way rearward and drop the mag If the stuck slide stop drops when the mag is dropped then the mag is the issue not the frame In the video you used an empty mag to show the issue which doesn’t work as an empty mag is MEANT to push the slide stop up
Yup same problem here when I put pressure on the bottom of a Glock mag using snap caps. Haven't shot it yet to see if it will do it with no pressure under live fire. There's definitely some geometry differences around the slide lock interface between Magpul and Glock mags that are clearly the cause. I guess the geometry of the slide release is slightly different because of the removable FCU. The range sample I tried didn't have this problem for the 30ish rounds I tried with Glock mags.
Also in theory there are reasons to buy this over a Glock. My main reason is I can't stand the Glock grip angle but also I'm hoping they will make Flux Raider chassis for it. A lot of people got it so they could switch between 17, 19 and 26 setups and only go through one background check and in some states a wait. Even worse some states only allow three serials attached to your CCW so this is a way around that. There's also bonus reasons like a much better optics mounting system, suppressor height steel sights out of the box and a much better grip texture. Not everyone wants it purely for Gucci Glock reasons.
I'm not sure how you can complain about the function of a slide stop when you don't use the actual slide stop! Maybe it has something to do with the way you're "slingshot" racking the slide??? Seems like if you actually pressed down on the slide stop it would negate whatever internal movement you discovered. Idk, mine is in the mail. Guess I'll find out soon.
@@bmglover83 because the slide stop should drop as soon as the slide is pulled to the rear. If the slide stop doesn’t drop the slide can’t move forward. Slingshotting a slide has nothing to do with the slide stop it allows the recoil spring to carry enough momentum to properly chamber a round.
They are beats. I use the in ear foamies and toss the beats on top. I’ve found it to work way better than the Walkers. I have tinnitus already from the AF so I try to take care of my ears.
It is very possible that this is a flaw with the design or part quality. Time will obviously tell with the weapon. Time tends to reveal all truth. That said, for those that buy brand new Glocks and then replace the sights, get a new trigger, do something to enhance the grip: messing with or replacing the slide catch is far from ideal but it is cheaper than all of the other mods that people do to Glocks. If someone loves Glocks as they are, great for you. However, Glock has the biggest aftermarket for a reason. It is almost assumed people are modding factory Glocks at this point. I don't think the RXM slide catch issue is good and they need to address it if the problem is widespread. I haven't seen that come up much, but the pistol is so new that it is way too early for people to have exposed all the potential problems. I am also a fan of not being an early adopter. I like to wait a year or so and let some things shake out. I appreciate guys like you who are making the purchases and putting the guns through the paces to see what is what. I am interested to see how this plays out. Keep up the good work.
Another great video, I went and handled one at my LGS last week when they came out. I did like the slide with direct mount and all and the concept of the removable trigger assembly like Sig and Springfield Echelon, but it was not something I "had to have" as an alternative to a Glock, which I own none currently as I find other firearms suit me better. And why would a main manufacturer like Ruger want to come out and make a "clone" of another main manufacturer's firearm. Come on Ruger be original and if you want to team up with Magpul, cool but at least make something of your own and not a clone gun, even at the lower price point than a lot of other Glock clones like Shadow Systems.
All good points. I'm not the biggest Glock fan but they changed their designed for a reason and companies are knocking off a design thats 27 years old. Its crazy.
I wonder if they did that so people wouldn't run Glock mags. I mean they are covered from the malfunction complaints because they can just say it was not designed to utilize Glock factory mags.... But that definitely turns me off of it. Thanks for your honesty.
That looks flimsy...... The only improvement I have seen and used is a Zev milled RMR slide with G OEM internals on an OEM RTF2 frame all stock parts..... and that slide was $$$; just hate the mounting plates (well, I don't think they even made them back in the good ol days).
Definitely got a bad one in the bunch. Still would rather have a Glock with a mobile fire control group. Will certainly get a Glock when I can change the frame at my leisure though.
aye man this is good feedback. Good honest review. Thats slide stop lever is an issue. Btw, im a cucked lefty like urself. Atleast u look like ur left handed, does ur finger ever touch the magazine release? I hate that this is a gen 3 glock clone. I wish it was a gen 4 clone so i can put the magazine release on the right side of the gun so my left thumb can drop mags. I mean its a cool concept for $400. seems like i personally would have to find a better slide catch lever, and id probably look for a grip frame that good for leftys, like a left handed magazine release grip module. Its seems cool just bc i can mod the grip frame, other than that, i personally think gen 5 glocks the way to go. Just spend extra $200 and call it a day.
I am left handed. The magazine release does hit my left hand occasionally. I’m not the biggest fan of the design and it not being reversible is a bummer. The Gen 5 is a much better option.
For those folks who are saying "nobody else has these issues". Many youtubers get paid when these guns are mass distrubuted for reviews, thus you don't see the reliability issues. They are clipped in editing.
$200 is a little bit less than 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo shipped to your house nowadays. If you shoot a lot I think its worth it to just spend the extra cash on the gun you know you'll like.
Ruger could have done better. The slide lock issues has been resolved by tons of companies. They didn't even try. It's a quick sale for everyone. That's why MSRP was $499 and they were instantly available for $399.
Man acts like Glocks dont have issues, people seem to forget when they had ejector issues and tried to blame the customers. You are the only reviewer I have seen with this minor issue that can be fixed. These are the first batch so problems are going to show and unfortunately you got one of them. Just like the PSA Dagger and look how popular that is. I would still buy this over a Glock. Seem like you are just a Glock fanboy.
Clearly, you should do more research. I'm not a huge fan of Glock. All manufacturers have issues. There's no reason the slide stop should have that much play in it. Why would anyone want to buy a design thats based on a gun that was released 27 years ago?
@averagemarksman Dude based on that logic only Colt can make AR and only kalishnikov can make Ak. Glock is now a platform not just a brand. Just like an ak or ar or even a kbar. Many companies make kbars.
@averagemarksman well your sounding like a fan boy here with a title saying buy a glock . The design is still used because it works and has a pletera of parts available. You don't like it, and that's your preference, but unfortunately, there are more people willing to modify their firearms this day and age and this platform in the cream of the crop of modding. So sorry your minor issue is not gonna change anything as this platform is here to stay and so is the RXM.
@ not being able to reload isn’t a minor issue. Why buy a design that’s 27 years old and still has the same issues? Makes zero sense. I guess we should go back to using pagers.
@averagemarksman well according to your logic, we should get rid of combustion engines because they have been around for too long and break down. Maybe Rubber tires too cause you know they have that problem where they wear out and you need to get a new one. Or, hear me out, or we get rid of Beer since that is far too old and has the major glaring problem of getting people intoxicated that end up doing stupid things and winning stupid prizes. If you dont like the gun and trash it by all means go ahead, but your logic is absolutely ignorant. And using it to strengthen your reasoning of your opinion is downright idiotic.
Funny you would never buy a Glock clone. Would you buy a Colt 1911 clone or a Colt AR clone. Seems like a minor gripe for a Glock 19 clone that is ready for an optic that is at least 100.00 cheaper than a base G19. Ruger has a great warranty and costumer service. Send it in and get it fixed. P.S. I own 2 Gen 3 Glocks a 17 and 19 and love them both and shoot them well but the 19 has plastic sights i need to replace. Every manufacturer has there weaknesses.
If you start out the review with, Just buy a Glock, then dont pretend to be an honest firearms reviewer. Go ahead and identify yourself as a Glock fan boy. If I wanted to listen to someone gripping constantly, I would watch a women's cooking channel. If you want a successful TH-cam experience, be positive and create a value added space for the 2A community. You are so negative, I will never click here to listen to you gripe like a teenage girl if I need info on a firearm that isn’t a Glock.
That’s the dumbest thing I read today. It’s not a review. We will put 1000 rounds through the gun over the course of ten days. The videos are unedited and show any issue that exists with the firearm. Your comment is the exact reason people do not honestly review firearms on YT. You don’t want to hear anything other than “it’s the best gun ever made.”
Don’t even have to watch any of these Ruger reviews to know “just buy a Glock” is the right call. Shadow Systems and Zev are really only the alternatives and I’d rather update a stock gun on my own time and dime anyway 😅
Dropping the magazine... what a bum. *dropping the slide is what I meant to say.
You shot pretty good though
Hey now, it's like an M2. You have to rack it twice. 😆
Appreciate your honest feedback!!
Thanks for watching, Heaton.
@@averagemarksmanHard to find these days.
I tried to duplicate this issue many times with my RXM. I think it may just be your RXM. I’ve also had issues with Glocks initially from the factory. Every manufacturer will have some level of defects.
I would give ruger the opportunity to fix it.
Thank you for giving honest feedback though
I'll more than likely fix the issue myself if I can't I'll let Ruger take care of it. Every manufacture has issue.
Thanks for watching.
interesting; haven't seen that in mine. thanks.
We were able to bend the slide stop and spring a bit. Now the slide stop drops with a bit more force. Going to go see if it resolves the issue.
You’re the only one or reviewer having an issue with this gun.
Doubtful. The others are just hiding it. Just like how most reviewers said nothing about the Bodyguard 2.0 shooting left (because they couldn’t be bothered with making sure the sights were aligned before sending them off the line) and not liking flat faced ammo.
I'm sure I'm not the only person. This is why we do not edit the videos. I could simply edit the video and no one would know. If I was right handed and used my thumb to drop the slide no one would ever know the issue existed.
@@corvega_joeI saw at least a couple videos about the shooting left “issue”.
@@BrandonD I just told him that too . I put 500 rounds in two days and no a single hiccup
Other guntubers have also had problems. It's how I know you have to use a shorter screw over the ejector when installing a red dot, otherwise you'll have feeding problems.
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Did I miss the part where you activated the slide stop/slide release with your finger? Does it work if you are a right hander and just hit the release with your thumb? Just curious? I've never been trained to rack the slide with my thumb and forefinger so would this problem be an issue for me?
My cousin bought 1, he put 350 through it, in about 30 minutes.
He said it was really hot, but straight outta the box, magpul mags and zero issues. I am curious as to if this is a "one off" or if it happens to others as well
Thats a honest man speaking right there
Thanks for watching and commenting, Lue.
I can tell by watching the vídeo. When you pull with the proper force it releases just fine.
There is not such thing as proper force when the gun is locked back. Soon as the slide is pulled back the slide stop should drop.
@ it just seems like sometimes you are not pulling all the way back…
Been awhile since I commented. Thanks for the video this one has been on my radar and looks like it may be a hard pass. Side note, I finally sold my Smith and Wesson Metal Carry Comp and purchased a CZ 75 SP-01 Tactical, what a fantastic one and certainly an upgrade over the underwelming Metal Carry Comp. Keep up the amazing work, hard to believe you have grown so fast, I remember the days of the under 1000 subs. Great content as always.
I appreciate all of the support. The channel has been doing well. I sold the Metal Carry Comp as well. I might need to check out that CZ.
I’m looking in to purchasing this one for my EDC, I know I could spend $200+ more. Get the Gen 5 but I like Rugers.
Have you reach out to Ruger and ask them?
I haven't reached out to Ruger. I think the problem is fairly self explanatory. I'll take it apart and work on it a bit more tomorrow.
Glad to see you investigated the problem and figured it out does gen3 mags have the same issue because you said you were using gen4 mags. Great video showing the problem. Thanks
I used Gen 4/5. There are others who haven’t had any issues with magazines.
Was wondering when the production bugs would show up in the gun. This inevitably happens with any new product and will have to be dealt with. While I have no interest in buying one (I"m thinking about getting a Glock 48) I'll be interested in seeing how Ruger gets this resolved.
Agreed.
I wonder if you just got a bad one, or is this going to be a big issue with this pistol. Would love to know how Ruger would handle this if you contacted them. Thanks for another great review.
Ruger’s website mentions this:
“Most major components are designed for Gen 3 compatibility with off-the-shelf parts, holsters, and accessories for nearly
unlimited customization.”
So wouldn’t that mean that it shouldn’t take gen 4 and 5 Glock mags? This might be why you are having some issues.
The magazines it ships with were designed for Gen 5 Glocks. The first Glock 9mm Pmag wasn’t released until the Gen 4 was out.
@ ah, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the response!
I noticed you pull the slide back with just your thumb and index finger. Try wrapping your palm over the top of the slide for a better stronger grip then pull back. Even if that doesn't fix the problem racking the slide with only two fingers is a bad habit anyways!
That isn’t the issue and it isn’t a bad habit. It doesn’t matter how hard you pull the slide back if the slide stop doesn’t drop. As the moment the slide moves backwards the slide stop should drop and allow the slide to move forward.
Thanks for documenting this... hopefully Ruger is watching this too. One thing I do know about Ruger is their customer service is amazing. It will be an interesting pistol once they get it ironed out. Curious... does the Ruger slide fit a Glock 19 or 45 frame?
I'm sure Ruger will get it worked out. Gen 3 slides will work on the gun. Gen 4 and Gen 5 will not.
Since the Ruger is a gen 3 clone, would that mean only gen 3 mags will work correctly? Do you have issues with the stock mags?
The magpul Glock 19 magazines were not made until 2015. The Gen 4 Glock was released in 2010. The current 9mm Pmags that are provided with the gun are designed to work in Gen 5 Glocks.
They all work, have 2 work great.
This guy has a problem think.
Lmfao
Thank you. You and your family have a beautiful and blessed week. LORD GOD Bless and stay vigilant.
You too! Thanks for watching.
Just got mine home and playing with the slide stop, I don’t believe mine is going to have any of the issues yours is having. I believe a trip back to Ruger for corrective action would be appropriate for your sample. Going to load up several hundred rounds in mags and hopefully get a range trip in soon.
I’m glad to hear it and I look forward to hearing about your range trip.
I’ll take the Ruger, thank you very much. I don’t use the slide lock as a slide release. And the Ruger points much more naturally than any Glock.
The grip angle is much better. The gun points better than a Glock for me.
Call ruger. They will fix the problem. Even glock turns out a lemon now and then. My nephew got a glock 19x. Would not sight in. Took it back to the dealer, they called glock and got the problem rectified. Also you are using Gen 5 mags. Use what it calls for. Myself, I'll be buying one after I recover from Christmas
Thank you for saving me money!
Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment.
I've been considering one of these, but it appears that some bugs need to be worked out. I've owned a Shadow Systems for a few years and no issues so far with that.
I'm sure they will get the issues ironed out.
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Have 500 rounds through mine no issues . And yes it does have packing grease had grayish white grease all over . Mabe it’s a lemon or yoh . I have Glocks also my 43 brand new would double feed and fail to extract does that mean Glock is not good ?
There's one tiny spot of grease on the slide. If grease was an issue how would companies test fire the guns prior to shipping? If anything grease would cause a failure to feed. That isn't the issue here. No one said Glock doesn't have issues. Do they have as many issues as Ruger or every other Glock clone?
Clones or not reliable like the real glock
@ I guess neither are 1911 and ar-15
You want reliable by a fn or Springfield xd . You can easily see blocks have lots of problems but no one puts it on you tube .
@True-word74 most likely when glocks have a problem it useley the mag been shooting glock long time never had a problem so your comment is irrelevant
How is the slide stop spring captured?
It appears to be held in place by a pin that holds the FCI in place.
It seems like a quality control issue. I have about 300 through mine, using factory glock mags, with no issues at all. Sucks either way. You should expect better from a reputable company!
I agree. It's more than likely a QC issue. The design is 27 years old - It would have taken a very short amount of time to design a better slide stop system and it would have fit into the FCI without any issues.
I'm really sad you got a bum one. Mine (fingers crossed) seems to be working just fine at least for now. I'll have to keep an eye on it. I have removed the slide and inserted both the Pmag and OEM mags and the actual Glock mag pushes the slide stop lever more positively. I also tried an ETS mag and its similar. The Magpul feels spongy if that makes any sense. So there definitely is a difference. Thanks for reporting what you are experiencing. I'm gonna remain positive mine holds up.
I hope yours doesn’t have any issues.
i have the same issue on you wont believe it a Beretta 96 compact BECAUSE i replaced the stop, it will go forward if i press the stop down, obviously it was the overall dimensions on the stop, but honestly i was o.k. with it , icould have easily put the old one back
Tolerances don't take much to causes issues but it would be nice if these problems didn't exist.
@@averagemarksmanit happens sir, they are only just man made things
@@chillios2222 facts. It’s unavoidable.
I think the issue is probably is that Glock OEM mags the follower goes up higher than the Magpul. My Ermox hates Pmags/Won't cycle, but with the OEM Glock mags/their factory mags (After replacing the mag springs lol) it functions flawlessly.
The issue was the slide stop spring. After two days of tinkering with it there were no longer issues.
@@averagemarksman Nice good to know
I wonder what the difference is between the Magpul magazines and OEM Glock mags? If the gun works fine with the Magpul mags then it's something with the OEM mags.
I buy m&p pistols because of the grip angle and better factory sights but I agree with you, if you want a Glock just get the Glock. I can get them used all day for $400 with night sights.
The only weird issue is the Magpul magazines are designed to work in the Gen 5 clocks and other folks haven’t had issues with the magazines at all.
So I’m not having your issue. But I’m having another concerning issue. After watching your video i went and looked at my rxm. I used the supplied magpul magazine with two different hp rounds. Mine at hand were federal and Remington hp. Both jammed up on the feed ramp of the rxm. So i went a grabbed a g17 mag i had and they both fed fine. On closer inspection the magpul magazine has the rounds pointed right at the feed ramp and the Glock magazine had them tilted higher pointed at the chamber . I’m guessing most folks aren’t doing much testing with hp ammo but this is a huge problem unless you just want a fmj range gun. I know money is always an issue but i would love to see if your rxm is having the same issues as mine and if it does magpul needs to stand up and fix it.
Glocks have done this plenty
It has nothing to do with getting hot or anything like that.
Its simple a spec issue with the slide stop like i already said in the first video. The design is no different than gen 3 Glocks.....the same exact things can and have happened to a Glock
Yes. 27 years ago Glock produced an item with this problem. That's why they are on Gen 5. If you're going to knock something off you should easily be able to address the known issue that the platform has. The slide stop is easily improved with the FCI and they didn't do it.
@@averagemarksmanyou understand the patent laws and infringement right? Ruger can't clone anything past a Gen 3 because of the patents.
Some of the nicest guns there are namely 1911/2011 are all clones
You're not being fair with Glock clones and what Ruger and Magpul are doing here. You should embrace and encourage the next evolution to where this is going.
When Glock copies this and they will...who was the innovator Ruger or Glock
@ I understand patents and I understand why every random company knocks off the Gen 3. The Gen 4/5 patents are still valid.
The evolution isn’t going anywhere. They could have improved the slide stop design in minutes and they didn’t. Magpul will release several colors of the grip and move on to the next item.
Glock will already have patents for a far superior FCI/FCU.
@@averagemarksman right but as of today Glock doesn't have an FCU do they? They haven't even hinted to that or created any marketing.
Glock has an absolutely horrible MOS system. They still ship guns with plastic sights on Gen 5 for hell sake. And you're going to sit here and tell us they are better.
I love Glock always have but what has Glock innovated in the last 27 years?
It's time for a change and Ruger is already way ahead of Glock
Why do they make 1911 to answer your question about why clone the glock
They still sell 1911’s because a group of people think they are cool. No one thinks a 1911 is innovative.
They made this to sell to people who want to purchase four different colors grips and post photos on IG of tacticool pistols.
@ so what is your next color you will post ???
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Hey I like your channel.. The Glock 19 Gen 3 is still available in gun shops brand new.. They are at least $499 so you get this gun with more options and a $100 less..
Thanks for watching and commenting. I wonder how many people actually purchase Gen 3 Glocks new still. I imagine that number is pretty low.
I’m not sure how many people still buy the Gen 3.. I’m always hearing a lot of people say on TH-cam and police that their favorite Glock 19 is the Gen 3..
@ it would be interesting to know how many people do though. Im my mind they still produce them for the same reason companies offer any lower quality products. Lower priced items open up the: “well for this much more you can get this one” statement and it works. It’s simple marketing.
Sources estimate in a Glock Forum that still several hundred thousand new Glock Gen 3’s are sold yearly!!
Also, It says that special forces all over the world still use the Gen 3
The slide stop isnt loose. The mag is pinching the slide stop against the frame because Glock mags are fatter than pmags. Also since you are left handed you bias the mag toward the slide release causing the pinch. If you hold it with your right hand you will see the issue go away. Doesn't mean its acceptable but that is what is happening.
I tested it with my left and right hand. The magazines all (three different manufactures) have plenty of play in the grip. The issue is the same. I even pulled out the calipers and the Glock magazines are not fatter than the Pmags. The slide stop being able to move all over the place is the issue. It gets stuck on the frame of the FCI. You can literally see where it rubs on it.
@@averagemarksmanwell there it is, now measure the stop piece !
Keep testing, I like the way you do this.👊
I am waiting on the availability of a 10mm grip and slide before I buy one.🤷♂
This will give me a 10mm that uses Glock magazines, making it compatible with my CMMG Banshee and the Ruger LC Carbine in 10mm, but it has the 1911 grip angle I have shot for over 30 years. 👊
So I am ok with working through some issues on the tool, nobody's life will depend on the tool I have planned, zombies may be in trouble though.🤣
I'm sure they will get the issues worked out.
🎯Shadow systems is nicer than an actual Glock but the budget Glock clones I agree with you💩 Glock needs to come out with a performance center line of guns upgraded sites direct mount optic better grip texture upgraded trigger🔫 threaded barrel with available compensator
Budget Glock clones are for the birds. I don't think Glock needs to change their marketing plan. They still dominate the industry.
My guy, the mags follower is designed to push the slide stop up when empty.
yeah... he clearly doesn't get that...
I think the issue is that the mag its self (not follower, and only with Glock OEM mags) is also able to push up the slide catch just enough that sometimes it blocks the slide when a loaded glock oem mag is loaded which would probably mean the slide catch has bad geometry OR when designing the gun the mags are inserted just too high for glock oem mags but I suppose the magpul pmags dont stick as high so they run fine
those are my theories
Did you watch the video? When the magazine is loaded and the slide is pulled backwards to slide stop should instantly drop - it doesn't.
The slide stop get's stuck on the frame because of how much play it has. The issue occurs when the magazine is loaded. Did you watch the video? When the magazine is loaded and the slide is pulled backwards to slide stop should instantly drop - it doesn't.
@@averagemarksman put a loaded mag in the gun with the slide locked back, hold the slide all the way rearward and drop the mag
If the stuck slide stop drops when the mag is dropped then the mag is the issue not the frame
In the video you used an empty mag to show the issue which doesn’t work as an empty mag is MEANT to push the slide stop up
@that’s already been tested. (I was out of ammo outside) The slide stop is resting on the frame of the FCI.
Glock is the Ric Flair of guns. As Ric said "to be the man you got to beat the man". RXM didn't beat the man. WOOOOOO!
😅😅😅😅😅😅
The RXM will never be the man.
Glad you figured out what was going on...
I'm hoping to tinker with it enough to get it fully functional. It's been a good shooting pistol.
The slide wont drop because you're not holding your mouth right when you pull the trigger 🤣😆🤣
That’s probably it.
Don't care about this firearm, but enjoyed this new camera angle of your range and targets.
I'm glad you enjoyed the new angle. Thanks for watching.
Yup same problem here when I put pressure on the bottom of a Glock mag using snap caps. Haven't shot it yet to see if it will do it with no pressure under live fire. There's definitely some geometry differences around the slide lock interface between Magpul and Glock mags that are clearly the cause. I guess the geometry of the slide release is slightly different because of the removable FCU. The range sample I tried didn't have this problem for the 30ish rounds I tried with Glock mags.
Also in theory there are reasons to buy this over a Glock. My main reason is I can't stand the Glock grip angle but also I'm hoping they will make Flux Raider chassis for it. A lot of people got it so they could switch between 17, 19 and 26 setups and only go through one background check and in some states a wait. Even worse some states only allow three serials attached to your CCW so this is a way around that. There's also bonus reasons like a much better optics mounting system, suppressor height steel sights out of the box and a much better grip texture. Not everyone wants it purely for Gucci Glock reasons.
I'm not sure how you can complain about the function of a slide stop when you don't use the actual slide stop! Maybe it has something to do with the way you're "slingshot" racking the slide??? Seems like if you actually pressed down on the slide stop it would negate whatever internal movement you discovered. Idk, mine is in the mail. Guess I'll find out soon.
@@bmglover83 because the slide stop should drop as soon as the slide is pulled to the rear. If the slide stop doesn’t drop the slide can’t move forward.
Slingshotting a slide has nothing to do with the slide stop it allows the recoil spring to carry enough momentum to properly chamber a round.
Thanks Nick nice explanation of fault. Agree just buy a Glock!!
Thanks for watching, LD.
Patents expiring is why these are Gen 3 clones and not Gen 5 clones.
Facts. They could just have an original thought.
Ayy or those beats you have on your ears???
They are beats. I use the in ear foamies and toss the beats on top. I’ve found it to work way better than the Walkers. I have tinnitus already from the AF so I try to take care of my ears.
@averagemarksman hell yeah I feel it you were a jet mechanic in the AF ????
@ I was a turbo prop mechanic on the AC-130U.
@@K499-w9c I was a turboprop mechanic on the AC-130U.
@@averagemarksman hell yeah Nice 👍
I agree if you want a glock like gun Buy a Glock.... Hey man how about "Another Clone", a Springfield EMP the smallest 9mm 1911?
I try to stay away from 1911’s. They are often way too finicky with ammo.
I try to stay away from 1911’s. They are usually extremely finicky with ammo.
Yeah i don't care about all that customized Neather all that putting different parts on your gun some people do im just not into that
It doesn’t make sense to me but everyone is different.
It is very possible that this is a flaw with the design or part quality. Time will obviously tell with the weapon. Time tends to reveal all truth. That said, for those that buy brand new Glocks and then replace the sights, get a new trigger, do something to enhance the grip: messing with or replacing the slide catch is far from ideal but it is cheaper than all of the other mods that people do to Glocks. If someone loves Glocks as they are, great for you. However, Glock has the biggest aftermarket for a reason. It is almost assumed people are modding factory Glocks at this point. I don't think the RXM slide catch issue is good and they need to address it if the problem is widespread. I haven't seen that come up much, but the pistol is so new that it is way too early for people to have exposed all the potential problems. I am also a fan of not being an early adopter. I like to wait a year or so and let some things shake out.
I appreciate guys like you who are making the purchases and putting the guns through the paces to see what is what. I am interested to see how this plays out. Keep up the good work.
They say they only work with gen 3 Glock mags
The magazines provided with it were literally designed to work with Gen 5 Glocks...
@@user-trell203ct Gen 3 mags or more susceptible to the issue just fyi
Another great video, I went and handled one at my LGS last week when they came out. I did like the slide with direct mount and all and the concept of the removable trigger assembly like Sig and Springfield Echelon, but it was not something I "had to have" as an alternative to a Glock, which I own none currently as I find other firearms suit me better. And why would a main manufacturer like Ruger want to come out and make a "clone" of another main manufacturer's firearm. Come on Ruger be original and if you want to team up with Magpul, cool but at least make something of your own and not a clone gun, even at the lower price point than a lot of other Glock clones like Shadow Systems.
All good points. I'm not the biggest Glock fan but they changed their designed for a reason and companies are knocking off a design thats 27 years old. Its crazy.
I wonder if they did that so people wouldn't run Glock mags. I mean they are covered from the malfunction complaints because they can just say it was not designed to utilize Glock factory mags.... But that definitely turns me off of it. Thanks for your honesty.
There are a ton of people who have used Glock magazines without any issues. I wish I was in that group haha.
It's time to contact Ruger about that. I'm sure they'll make it right. Thanks for doing their QC work for them.
If they answer the phone
That looks flimsy...... The only improvement I have seen and used is a Zev milled RMR slide with G OEM internals on an OEM RTF2 frame all stock parts..... and that slide was $$$; just hate the mounting plates (well, I don't think they even made them back in the good ol days).
I don't understand why the wouldn't redesign the slide stop. That's crazy to me.
Have watched a ton of videos with no problems reported. BYW, they advertise G3 compatibility. Not G4
The magazines that ship with the gun are designed to work in Gen5 Glocks.
Definitely got a bad one in the bunch. Still would rather have a Glock with a mobile fire control group. Will certainly get a Glock when I can change the frame at my leisure though.
Make sure you are using the correct length screws on your optics, or the slide will drag & cause problems. This was reported on Mr gun&gear.
I always shoot a few hundreds rounds through a gun prior to installing an optic.
@ MRguns&gear had to actually remove the screws to find that the screw on the right side was scraping the FC. The dimensions are critical.
This might finally be the gun that runs Promags with no issues. 😂
Facts.
aye man this is good feedback. Good honest review. Thats slide stop lever is an issue. Btw, im a cucked lefty like urself. Atleast u look like ur left handed, does ur finger ever touch the magazine release? I hate that this is a gen 3 glock clone. I wish it was a gen 4 clone so i can put the magazine release on the right side of the gun so my left thumb can drop mags. I mean its a cool concept for $400. seems like i personally would have to find a better slide catch lever, and id probably look for a grip frame that good for leftys, like a left handed magazine release grip module. Its seems cool just bc i can mod the grip frame, other than that, i personally think gen 5 glocks the way to go. Just spend extra $200 and call it a day.
I am left handed. The magazine release does hit my left hand occasionally. I’m not the biggest fan of the design and it not being reversible is a bummer. The Gen 5 is a much better option.
For those folks who are saying "nobody else has these issues". Many youtubers get paid when these guns are mass distrubuted for reviews, thus you don't see the reliability issues. They are clipped in editing.
That's a fact. At this point it's easier to edit out the issues than deal with the nonsense that comes with pointing out an issue.
@@averagemarksman Haha! I see below you are now being called a glock fanboy and hated on for pointing out the issue. Keep on doing what you're doing.
Glock mags work best on Glock pistols. Not so good on clones. Just use a magpul.
The RXM uses Glock magazines. There are plenty examples of that on the internet. The Magpul mags are designed to Glock pistols.
@averagemarksman Shadow Systems also had issues with Glock mags, works best with magpul. No one reported it so far.
Ok, you just cost me 200 bucks, getting a 19 G5 MOS, no clone for me
You won't be disappointed. It does the job.
$200 is a little bit less than 1000 rounds of 9mm ammo shipped to your house nowadays. If you shoot a lot I think its worth it to just spend the extra cash on the gun you know you'll like.
@@m4e1supremacy agreed
Bummer. I had high hopes for this one 🍋
I'm sure they will get the issues ironed out.
buying anything first year out is not a good idea.
That is true the majority of the time.
“They cloned a gun that was released in 1998…”
Now do ARs.
Ruger could have done better. The slide lock issues has been resolved by tons of companies. They didn't even try. It's a quick sale for everyone. That's why MSRP was $499 and they were instantly available for $399.
any firearm can have parts out of spec, they are manmade
Agreed. Tolerances are a real thing and I respect that - It is a dumb design that could have been better.
Your bias anyway 😂 you just buy an glock 😂
I’m not even a Glock fan. Buying a clone thats two generations old is pretty silly. There’s a better option available.
Just buy a Glock, no-brainer.
@@PlugNuster you’d think it be a no brainer but the comment section may disagree with us.
Think i will $PEND THE EXTRA $250 and get the SPRING FIELD ECHELON 4.0
I think that’s a very smart decision.
nobody glocks like glock😅
Facts.
It’s $399
MSRP was listed at $499. It’s being sold for $399 because it’s not worth $500. A few months from now it will be $350.
💥🤟"Ruger" ☆ "Glock"🤙💥
Man acts like Glocks dont have issues, people seem to forget when they had ejector issues and tried to blame the customers. You are the only reviewer I have seen with this minor issue that can be fixed. These are the first batch so problems are going to show and unfortunately you got one of them. Just like the PSA Dagger and look how popular that is. I would still buy this over a Glock. Seem like you are just a Glock fanboy.
Clearly, you should do more research. I'm not a huge fan of Glock. All manufacturers have issues. There's no reason the slide stop should have that much play in it. Why would anyone want to buy a design thats based on a gun that was released 27 years ago?
@averagemarksman Dude based on that logic only Colt can make AR and only kalishnikov can make Ak. Glock is now a platform not just a brand. Just like an ak or ar or even a kbar. Many companies make kbars.
@averagemarksman well your sounding like a fan boy here with a title saying buy a glock . The design is still used because it works and has a pletera of parts available. You don't like it, and that's your preference, but unfortunately, there are more people willing to modify their firearms this day and age and this platform in the cream of the crop of modding.
So sorry your minor issue is not gonna change anything as this platform is here to stay and so is the RXM.
@ not being able to reload isn’t a minor issue. Why buy a design that’s 27 years old and still has the same issues? Makes zero sense. I guess we should go back to using pagers.
@averagemarksman well according to your logic, we should get rid of combustion engines because they have been around for too long and break down. Maybe Rubber tires too cause you know they have that problem where they wear out and you need to get a new one. Or, hear me out, or we get rid of Beer since that is far too old and has the major glaring problem of getting people intoxicated that end up doing stupid things and winning stupid prizes.
If you dont like the gun and trash it by all means go ahead, but your logic is absolutely ignorant. And using it to strengthen your reasoning of your opinion is downright idiotic.
Looks like you got a bad one
Just get a Glock or Sar 9
Funny you would never buy a Glock clone. Would you buy a Colt 1911 clone or a Colt AR clone. Seems like a minor gripe for a Glock 19 clone that is ready for an optic that is at least 100.00 cheaper than a base G19. Ruger has a great warranty and costumer service. Send it in and get it fixed.
P.S. I own 2 Gen 3 Glocks a 17 and 19 and love them both and shoot them well but the 19 has plastic sights i need to replace. Every manufacturer has there weaknesses.
And here are some loading issues w a red dot?th-cam.com/video/UxvfB4eM1t0/w-d-xo.html
What bull shit have 2 of them work great.
Just another Glock hater.
What? Why would a Glock hater have a title that says buy a Glock? Cheap Glock clones = dumb. Just buy an actual Glock.
If you start out the review with, Just buy a Glock, then dont pretend to be an honest firearms reviewer. Go ahead and identify yourself as a Glock fan boy. If I wanted to listen to someone gripping constantly, I would watch a women's cooking channel. If you want a successful TH-cam experience, be positive and create a value added space for the 2A community. You are so negative, I will never click here to listen to you gripe like a teenage girl if I need info on a firearm that isn’t a Glock.
That’s the dumbest thing I read today. It’s not a review. We will put 1000 rounds through the gun over the course of ten days. The videos are unedited and show any issue that exists with the firearm. Your comment is the exact reason people do not honestly review firearms on YT. You don’t want to hear anything other than “it’s the best gun ever made.”
This guy lmfao
The dude is a bum.
Don’t even have to watch any of these Ruger reviews to know “just buy a Glock” is the right call. Shadow Systems and Zev are really only the alternatives and I’d rather update a stock gun on my own time and dime anyway 😅
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Shadow systems gave my brother and I nothing but trouble as well. Just buy Glock
@@averagemarksman thanks for the in depth reviews brotha!
RUGER MAKES GARBAGE ANYWAY NO BIG DEAL.