I'm glad to read an explanation that also makes use of Lanfear's specialty in TAR - it sells it for me. It's a great fan theory. I think the truth is that RJ wrote EotW before he fleshed his story out, and there's some early essential plot points that are forever unresolvable - What is The Bore, How the True Power was "sensed" by Lanfear so she knew where to "drill", Ishamael being "half sealed", Lew's Therin magically making "seals" that contain a primordial force of nature beyond all conception - all these things are unexplained because they were made up to further the story for a book that was in it's infant stages of conception. Just my opinion. I would love a video about Lew's Therin making the seals, by the way. What do you think he did?
I always envisioned the Dark One's prison as a black hole and it was more or less confirmed for me after I had read TMOL. The closer you get to Shayol Ghul, the slower time seems to pass by. That's time dilation for you. Reality seems to be warped somehow, which to me sounds like the curvature of spacetime.
Lmfao I finished the series within a year but I still felt the same way, there was so many videos on TH-cam that I wanted to watch but was terrified I’d spoil something major for myself
My theory is that the timeline used to be linear and the creator bent time into a wheel making the serpent swallow its own tale. The creator did this to close the dark one out of time. This is why the dark one wants to destroy the serpent.
There's obviously a little more to the Bore then just being in TAR, but it most definitely seems to exist in both. I think one of the subtle narrative roles Perrin plays has to do with this. Perrin witnesses Rand's Epiphany of Dragonmount, which is like the only time other than the last conflict at the bore where a person (Rand) is awake and simultaneously in the real world and the World of Dreams. Perrin again is used to confirm this at the Bore, as he is able to both see the conflict (sort of) AND talk to Nynaeve. So, on Perrin seeing Rand and Moridin dueling, EVEN though Perrin is in the World of Dreams, we can't forget the time-warping phenomenon was happening there as well, so the time-warping nature of the Bore is NOT solely due to it being in TAR, otherwise Perrin would have seen Rand and Moridin's duel in real-time, instead he saw them in near stasis, because they were SO close to the Bore that time was moving almost infinitesimally slow. It might be more accurate to say that the Bore doesn't exist in a where or a when, since the prison is technically outside the wheel. Because of that, the Bore that connects from inside the Wheel to the Dark One's prison would actually be a conjunction of ALL realities, proven by the portal stones. Wherever the Bore is, it is where the Prime timeline, all other timelines, the World of Dreams, and probably other worlds and realities like the Finns and Ogier and Grolm all meet. I think the extra-dimensionality of the Dark One is key here, and certain fan theories about how the First Age end I think supply some ideas here. I think it makes sense that the end of the First Age, the advent of channeling, the discovery or revelation of other dimensions (possibly through the arrival of the Ogier) and the discovery of the great sphere that would in the future be the sphere at Collam Daan are all interrelated. Basically, in some order or another, the Ogier show up, extra dimensions with alien ecosystems and intelligent life are discovered, channeling is discovered within humans and developed (likely made possible by the opening of certain dimensional pathways) and in one of these dimensions, some jackass found a big, giant, floating pearl and brought it to the Prime Timeline. Man was Jordan the smartest fantasy author ever or what?
As soon as I saw as much of the Theoryland page as was displayed here, I had to pause video and google the full page. WOW what a fascinating and brilliant essay this is! It was a great read and a very sound theory. But now of course back to your video!
It seems likely that if the Dark One is outside of the pattern, and seeks to get inside, that the first place it would be able to enter is that "space in-between" the world of dreams and the various realities. It could follow that the bore would at least pass through it or be involved with this space.
Excellent talk. Your idea, "Shadowspawn are projections of the Dark One's will using the world of dreams," makes these creatures SO much more disturbing than they already are (particularly the scene with Narg from EotW). It also clarifies the mechanics of why they all drop at once at the end of AMoL. There is the question of Trollocs exercising free will to the extent that they do, and the use of Myrddrall to control them; since they are physical creatures instead of pure projections, there must be some crazy psychological s*** going on behind the too-human eyes of the Twisted Ones.
The first time I opened the first WOT book I read I was unable to put them down for years. I read and reread the entire series 3 times back to back. I just could not let the story go. And going back and reading about the characters in their early “innocent” days before the action picked up was just so interesting to me. I mean for years this was all I read over and over. I know it’s odd but I just became obsessed with the story and everything wheel of time.
When Rand is looking through his ancestor's memories, he sees the destruction caused by the creation of the Bore in the waking world. IIRC, a large explosion destroying the floating university/research station. Suggests that, while they may have reached 'through' the World of Dreams, the Bore itself was done in the physical world.
It is a very interesting theory. However it is more likely that the bore was drilled simultaneously in both the real world and the world of dreams than it being only drilled in the world of dreams.
I'm fairly convinced that the bore is a blackhole connecting Tel'aran'rhiod to reality. This theory felt conclusive to me reading the final novel since there was time dilation happening, events experienced closer to the bore was experienced much slower than battles occuring further away, shown by the nonlinear events that took place, as well as every character mentioning it. This is the same thing that happens with black holes (or any massive body except the time-dilation factor is much more pronounced in black holes due to their massive gravitational field). This is relativity and something RJ would have been very familiar with. Perrin being scolded for wanting to fast travel between reality and Tel'aran'rhiod by the wolves, as well as the fact some Forsaken use that means of travel, clinches for me that the True Power is really part of the dreamworld. It reminds me of Sandman, in which Morpheus is one of the most powerful Gods because he is the Lord of Dreams, and so any thought, idea, dream, belief, concept, is under his domain. It would make sense that the DO would make the dreamworld his domain and draw his power from there.
Don't forget the strange merger of Luke and Isalm. Something that like that had to be done in the world of dreams using the dark ones will to merge two people into one. I like this theory.
Fascinating. I always enjoyed reading everyone's ideas about what might really be going on. It's part of why finally getting AMoL was bittersweet. But the GOOD kind of bittersweet.
The Dark One didn't seem to affect any of the characters who entered the World of Dreams, nor the Wolf Brothers or the Wise One dreamwalkers. Therefore, he was clearly not in control of the World of Dreams. Furthermore, it is stated on multiply occasions in the WoT that the Dark One exists out of the Pattern. On the other hand, the World of Dreams exists within the Pattern, if my memory serves me well. Thus, the Shayol Ghul can't be located in the World of Dreams.
I do like this theory. But I feel like the Bore and the realm that the Dark One exists in is it’s on pocket dimension. I agree that Shayol Ghul is probably a place where the line between the realms is thinnest. I bet drilling through the Bore also drilled through a layer of the World of Dreams. So the influence of the Dark One seeps through that hole and into each layer of reality they drilled through to get to it. Maybe the other layers of reality were PART of the barrier around the Bore?
Tel'aran'rhiod was said to underly the Pattern, like the floorboards under a woven carpet. It makes sense, then , that a plce where the Pattern was becoming thin and threadbare, you would start to see and feel the floorboards beneath. It doesn't really make sense for the Bore to be 'in' Tel'aran'rhiod, since the Bore is a hole cut in the pattern itself, and TAR lies outside the pattern. So, while it's an interseting idea, I don't think it really holds water, even without the infromation in MoL.
Great theory, I've heard it before and tend to agree with it. I have to say you mentioned dreamwalkers can heal themselves, but they can't. They can only imagine things like stitches to help injuries.
Great video to watch if you're a devout fan of WOT. Did anybody else put together that the Forsken are Wolf "Brotheres"? The dark lord can switch there bodies in the dream world and bring them back in the true world. Awesome theory, I don't know if it's true but fun to think about.
I like your theory, and it may fit with my own: This is not a complete theory, more like a question with some connected dots: Is the Stone of Tear the seal on the Bore? This could explain its unusual shape. There is also the connection with Callandor, it’s role in sealing the Bore, and what happens to the Stone in Tel’aran’rhiod. Lastly (told you it wasn’t complete, it could explain the name “Tear”. What started this train of thought was the fact that “Tear” was translated to “Rift” in my norwegian copy. This made me think of how different the name is compared to all the other names of places I WoT, and why this could be. Finally, I haven’t seen this “theory” anywhere, so there is probably an obvious reason why this is completely nuts that I have overlooked...
If his prison was in the world of dreams then the forsaken could be accessing the dark ones power through the world of dreams because the it is a connecting world of all world's. I think the true source can also be accessed through the world of dreams were the true source is as well. The forsaken also are established as being ignorant of many things and it is the awe of the people of the new age and their myths that make what the forsaken know as truth infallible. Also Rand does use his will to over throw the dark one extensively in the last battle. I think that the pit of doom was where the dream and real world intersected. That's why the time distortion was so massive and the matter storm was so powerful. I also think that the dark one and the creator both exist is the world of dreams and it is they that are sensed "being watched" that all dream walkers feel watching them. I think it is the power of the creators protection that keep domesticated animals and people from appearing to those in the world of dreams without sleeping. It is also how the dark one and the creator can be omnipresent in all and can affect all. The Bore is a plot device ( it's there because it has to be somewhere) .
Yes! RJ constantly uses the fading into myth trope. Meanwhile Ishamael has been out pretty much the whole time, using dream shards on everyone...eventually the rest get loosed. They are gods for a time. But a lot of the power at first comes from their power in the world of dreams, not in power in the One Power...Rand literally just throws it around full force right from the start. Only after when Egwene and Perrin and to some extent Rand learn this separate dimension do they begin to match their foe. Always being watched! Maybe the creator’s eyes and the destructor’s eyes are the same...that ALL CAPS voice in EOTW
I think the wheel has 2 lubricants. Saidar/Saidin (let's call it Saida) on one side, coating the threads of the pattern before going through the wheel, and the dark one on the other side. Both are required to keep the wheel "balanced." Since the threads of the pattern are people, the bore wouldn't be a place, but a hole burned through the souls of people. Whether that's all people or just some, I couldn't say. This theory also explains the taint. I think males touch one side of Saida, and females the other. The taint is on the side closest to the wheel, which is the side males touch.
I always considered the Dark One to be a singularity akin to Black Holes. He definitely would be able to affect the World of Dreams because of that nature and warp things naturally, pulling them in. This also aligns with what I took as the Dark One's true goal: Ending all creation eternally. Him being able to control the souls of the Forsaken then can be easily explained by what is described when Rand breaks off Asmodean from the Dark One. They have a connection that binds them to him. And when they die, he just needs to pull on it. The theory is definitely interesting and very accurate for the time of its release. Who could have guessed that Rand would use the Pattern to fix the Bore.
I always felt the bore was a temporal rift in the fabric of space and time. Like a tear in a cloth of fabric (makes sense since WoT uses terms like weaving, threads and patterns. The Bore essentially loosed the The Dark One from the Pattern, making a vital part of existence unhinged and act in the extremes of itself. What Rand realizes in the last book is that there can't be just Light or Dark, there needs to be a balance in existence. So he wove The Dark One back in the fabric of the Pattern.
@@NaeBlisI'm glad the books are getting more attention now, they got me into reading (whoa) uh 30ish years ago. Before them my reading was the Sunday funny's if that. Robert Jordan opened up a whole new world for me, for that I am eternally grateful.
Love the channel and have been watching a bunch of your vids leading up to the shows release. Read all the books but not going to lie its been a couple of years, though I have been listening to the audio books over the last few months to get me ready. Personally I always thought that the bore could have been in the ways. Similar to Tel'aran'rhiod distance and time are a bit funky there and Machin Shin was either some derivative of the dark one or even a sort of guard dog that was warped over the eons.
You should revisit this with Mogedian's comments on TAR added in and put into consideration. "some things that can be done here are far stronger than in the waking world" or something like that - and many other comments.
Great theory! I have always kinda thought along these lines. I think all that stuff is connected. I will got further and say that (and I don't have any fleshed out theory on this) Rand kind of took the powers on the DO and TAR into the waking world at the end.
Even if we grant that the bore is in the dream world, that doesn't prove that's where it was made. The creation of the bore could just have transcended the physical world into the dream world etc.
Is there a World of Dreams for every reality that can be accessed through the portal stones? There should be, but I think the book says otherwise, which wouldn't make sense.
@@orrinscott-stewart3641 that could be a plothole. In the books, the Aes Sedai use the world of dreams to look for letters, messages, etc and the only stuff they find comes from their reality.
The idea that the bore is a black hole makes plenty of sense to me just intuitively. Using that map of spacetime curvature where black holes bend it super far "down," you could imagine the dark one being on a layer of reality far "below" spacetime, so to breach the gap you need a force that can bend spacetime so far as to tear it. At that point it's more rhetoric than it is pseudoscience, but that would work in the world of dreams. The Dark One would probably manipulate reality the same way one does in the world of dreams but on a bigger scale, like what Rand does at the very end of AMoL.
these videos make me wish that there was an abridged version of the WoT that cut the material in half. The world is so amazing, but so many plot threads become tedious after the first four or five books
Question: Is it possible to summon Sa'Angreal in Tel'aran'Rhiod? + You can influence (and thus possibly summon) weaves in there, so you have some measure of power over the one power independent of your chanelling ability. - Angreal (and thus probably Sa'Angreal) are created by chanelling your ability through this seed Ter'Angreal thingie. This makes it rather probable (in my eyes) that some measure of your ability is left in the Angreal. Lanfear stated that it is impossible to create this ability in the World of Dreams, no matter your skill. - No one ever does this. I understand that skilled Dreamwalkers don't necessarily need one, but people like Elayne or Siuan are definitely better off with it. And even Dreamwalkers should prefer it occassionally. Think of the battle in Tel'Aran'Rhiod between the Aes Sedai and Mesaana's black ajah. Simply get every Aes Sedai and Wise One out, summon the strongest Sa'Angreal you know, and burn the whole Tower to the ground with it, ideally with Balefire to make sure Mesaana has no time to escape (since her capture was the reason for the whole battle). Or when you fight someone, simply have a mountain or an ocean of lava collapse on top of them or summon a storm so great that it will take time and strength to overcome the bloody thing. While none of these methods are lethal against skilled opponents, the Sa'Angreal provides a whole new and surprising set of attacks. The fact that no one ever does this made me wonder. Why? Someone must have thought of it. Has Brandon Sanderson ever answered the question?
I need to read it again, I thought it was a big visible, silvery sphere that just sat there suspended in air before and above a lake of fire under a volcano after the breaking?
i don't think it is in the world of dreams i think the reason that you see the effects of the dark one more strongly in the world of dreams is because the last battle was happening across all the mirror worlds and the world of dreams exists across them all so it makes sense you would see it there the most. Also i think was in ?Shadow Rising? when he first used a portal stone the Dark One was wining in all of the other worlds so it would make sense that their was an unmaking going on in the world of dreams.
I dont buy it that it's in the world of dreams. Rand has the vision in the Rhudiean Ter'angreal of Lanfear using the Dome (flying saucer ship..thing) crash and bore the hole in the real world. Does it have a mirror image/influence in the world of dreams? Yes, it's been around for 1000s of years by now so of course it would.
The bore is a hole in reality as the book states because that is what the wheel is, reality. Hence why the dark one is able to reach through and make changes to the waking world/reality. People, and even the dark one, cannot make changes from the dream world to the waking world as the world of dreams is a reflection of the waking world and not a reality like the waking world. The world of dream is more of a 'spirit' world or a world in outside reality and oblivion/the dark one's prison. One might even argue it is the opposite of the dark one’s prison. This is highly supported from all interactions we see the characters have with the dream world. I will suggest that the bore is a hole that goes through the waking world into something else, an anti-reality if you will or as we are told in the books "the dark one's prison". The dark one is the source of his power from this realm/world as the creator is the source that Aes Sedai draw power through. The bore does not wholly reside in the world of dreams as one would have to tap into the world of dreams from the waking world, even if you step into it in the flesh. We are shown the physical/walking world image of the effects of the bore opening in Rand's vision in Rhuidean, an entire city is swallowed up by it. Also, are we ever introduced to interactions with the dark one in the world of dreams beyond the actions of his servants? No. But! In the waking world we are introduced to bubbles of evil. And the reason why time slows by Shayol Ghul is because the dark one's realm is anti-time/anti-reality/anti-pattern. The dark one is a 4th dimensional being which means that it is outside of time. The patter is time/reality itself and the dark one has to power overcome it or counter it if you will because that's what he is, he is the antithesis of the creator who created the ENTIRE pattern/span of time. The world of dream is not a connector to the two realms, it is more of an afterlife or after realm that is connected to the pattern where creations of the waking world live on and are reborn from; Brigette's and the wolves' existence makes this abundantly clear. All of this is why balefire is so dangerous because it negates not only the waking world but the world of dreams as well. The dream world is a pool from which the waking world can renew itself in a way or at least with the living creatures of the world who seem to be recycled often. The division of worlds would be as: dream world/waking world/dark one's prison and not waking world/dream world/dark one's prison. The dark one can touch the world of dreams once he is able to touch the waking world. He was not able to pull people from the world of dreams until the seals weakened and broke as we see in the books. I would recommend that in order to understand the principles of these theories to Robert Jordan's world one has to be familiar with deism and quantum physics to a degree. None of this should be a surprise as Jordan was a great student of history, science, and religion.
Sorry for zeroing in on something you said in the introduction rather than the primary topic of the video, but I do not believe your assertion that the world of dreams spans all realities, but rather that each reality has it's own world of dreams. If this weren't the case, any character could only exist in a single reality at any given time. (Remember that Bergitta can sense at the end of AMOL that she's being reborn.) The heroes of the horn would only be able to fight in a last battle in a single reality at a time, which does not make sense as there are an infinite number of realities and they would naturally be called on to fight in many at once. Additionally, the versions of the characters in multiple reality must access the world of dreams simultaneously, just because of the nature of there being infinite realities; with this being true, how/why would they never meet each other while in the world of dreams? Also, what about the realities where buildings/cities were built in different locations than others? If one world of dreams exists for all realities at once, the ephemeral reflection of the buildings that exist for a long period of time in each reality would mean that the entire world of dreams would be built up. The books only make sense if the world of dreams is specific to the reality you're in, with each reality having it's own.
Actually, some things remain constant in all realities. The Creator, the Dark One, and a world that surrounds them all at once (WoD). Verin also stated that if the DO is freed in one world, he is freed in all. No one exists in all realities (other than the gods), and even should you exist there, they would most likely have different experiences, skill sets, abilities based on who and what that person is. Also, the reality that the book takes place in is consideres the true worls where others are mere mirrors, only some being ALMOST as solid as ours. When Rand, Loial, and Hurrin were traveling through one of the worlds in The Great Hunt, it reflected the passing of the Horn and those that carried it. That suggests that the Horn (and those tied to it) are another constant. Perhaps the heroes are spun out in other worlds to exclude others (that would explain many other names and deeds) if they have the possibility of existing there, or they are spun out in all applicable worlds at once. Egewene, while still with the Aiel, mentions seeing dreams from people from other worlds that make no sense to here, which would also support the WoD existing AROUND all realities.
@@joshuafriday9748 That's just it though... if reality splits with every decision everyone makes, then there are versions of reality that are completely 100% identical to this one, only in which I took a drink of water before writing this instead of after. (IMO, this is the problem with the whole theory, which originated in quantum physics.) Applied specifically to the books, there are versions of reality in which everything is completely identical to the one we read about, only Rand stubbed his toe walking up to the cave where he confronted the Dark One and one where he didn't. If there is only one world of dreams and one set of heroes of the horn, they could only be summoned to one reality at a time, which does not make sense given the whole infinity universes theory. Given the theory, there are realities where somebody built his house 1/16" closer to his neighbor than in another reality and another where his house is 1/16" farther away and another where his house is 3/32" farther away and another where... Extend this and entire cities move, meaning the single world of dreams reflecting ALL of these realities, would be built up literally everywhere. What about the version of reality that has Shadar Logoth where the White Tower is in the reality we read about? Why isn't that reflected in the world of dreams equally as strongly? Or maybe RJ intended it to be that only major events cause splits in realities, or only by specific people. That's not what it has in the books (or source theory) though. As far as Verin, I don't trust what she says as she was a dark friend and could be manipulating the people around her. (She IS Aes Sedai after all... when aren't they trying to manipulate others? ;-) ) It is an interesting discussion...
It probably does not split EVERY decision/possibility, but only those with consequences. Like the "stubbing the toe on the way to the pit" could be a possibility where it would cause him to trip and not have the equilibrium of will to force the roof back up, thus getting crushed by the Dark One's Teeth (I win again Lews Therin). It could also be that the WoD takes into account your reality and reflects itself as your mind would know it (as the strength of that place is the strength of the mind). Which is why it would occasionally show glimpses of other places (like the jointly ruled Tar Valon). That brings up the interesting point that Slayer and Perrin could possibly travel to other realities via the WoD if they could envision the correct world. Also Verin was not Black. She was a sheep in wolves clothing (and with a sheep costume over the wolf costume). She told the truth and even gave Egwene the truth about Ishmael (which im sure she did understand that "name within a name" paper). Being Brown means that faking knowledge would have been anathema to her.
Tel'aran'rhiod has its own rules and they are quite clear. Because of those rules it makes no sense for the Bore to be in there. The Bore is in the Pattern and the prison of the Dark One is outside of the Pattern.
It dawned on me, Lanfear is kind of a Lilith, seeing as Illiana appears to be an Eve; at least if you accept that Jordan was strongly influenced by Christian Judeo religion and admitted as such. Lews Therin Kinslayer is fallen man. Also, the way the stone of tier deteriorated in the world of dreams parallels the deterioration of the 7 cuendillar seals in the real world. The Dark One's Power must have been eating away at them the same way. "Everything fails, when he touches it."
It's an interesting theory, but has a ton of holes in it until you adjust just one piece of new information, but we need to clarify two points first. The first point is that time doesn't always slow in the dream world, but rather it's distorted and can be longer or shorter compared to the physical world. This supports the study of worm-holes and planes of existence. The second is that Lanfear was a scientist, but not a scientist who studied the dream world, but rather a scientist who studied energy. The books expressly explain that she was the lead on a project to tap into a whole new kind of energy. The world had already mastered every kind of positive energy, nanotech, mag-grav and dozens more. She was looking at a new unlimited source of power. Now considering what we know from the stories, the world of time is our world and exists in the positive. The dream world is a reflecting plane of existence which only derives structure from the real world. In fact only animals with structured minds appear in the world of dreams. If you pass through from the positive existence into the purgatory of the dreamworld, then on the other side of that reflection is the dark one. I believe he is a being of pure anti-matter. Suddenly all the clues work. When Graendal channels the True Source it's described as not drawing from the dark one, but rather touching him or releasing just a bit of his pure essence (or energy). The forsaken constantly mention the Dark One "unmaking" the world. A perfect description of introducing anti-matter to matter. He is a being of pure energy and lusts for structure, but can only find it in our dimension which is why he covets it. He is pure negative energy on the other side of the reflection of the world of dreams. When his creatures, which are constructed with his negative-plane energy step through Death Gates, they instantly die because Gateways are positive material plane points pierced with pure positive energy and it causes a disruption that instant kills them (like two alternate charges meeting), but leaves their physical bodies behind completely intact. When fades "travel in shadows" it describes them as being able to travel the between of physical world and light energy and the negative world where light (a positive energy) is lacking. I believe the Bore was Lanfear's attempt at a physical gate to draw anti-matter which is constantly described as unlimited power even in our day and age. So our world is the positive, the dark one exists in the negative, the dreamworld is the infinitesimal surface between the two and the bore was a physical attempt to build worm-hole to access anti-matter.
Really really nitpicky detail here but, technically you can't heal yourself by willing it in tel'aran'rhiod. You can use channeling to heal in tel'aran'rhiod (but it isnt possible to heal oneself even with channeling), see the slayer vs perrin fight. Slayer couldn't heal the cracks in his face, he had to will them stiched together.
sorry but world of dreams doesn't work more like the "world" the dark one is in seeps into material world and allows him to shape it like how dreamers shape the dream world. So the bore I see as more of tapping into another universe were the dark one is so the bore would be on the "lace" or universe level and flow onto everything and would connect as you get closer to its area
8:27 you hinted that the creatures in the Blight were projections of the Dark One. This not accurate. I do remember that one of the Forsaken actually referred to the worms as a creation of one of the other Forsaken and how the Borderlanders merely call them worms. I do not remember which book and which of the Forsaken had mentioned it though I do know it was one of the male talking to one of the female Forsaken. On an unrelated note: I cringe everytime I see that image you have of Rand, Mat, and Perrin in your intro. Perrin's hammer is not that large, it is actually only the size of a blacksmith's hammer with a slightly longer handle. The hammer that is portrayed in the image would be unwealdable even with Perrin's strength and size.
FWIW: Instead of using the expression, _"this is not my first rodeo,"_ I like to use my own aviation-related metaphor referring to the standardized aircraft traffic pattern at an airport. {Upwind, Crosswind, Downwind, Base, and Final Approach.} I say, _"I have been around the pattern once or twice",_ or something similar. NOW that I am REREADING the WoT novels, when I think or say that aviation-related metaphor, THE FIRST THING I think of is _the weave of the pattern_ from Jordan's novels. Really.
I think Daniel Greene gets more "recognition" or whatever for being the Wheel of Time guy on TH-cam, but I think your analysis and other content should be lauded more. I don't mean to denigrate Daniel at all, but he doesn't go deep into it like you do, and that's what I'm looking for. Thank you!
Hi Nae'Blis. The music in every intro of your videos made me think of that dutch song ! Perhaps you will like it ! Or maybe you alrealdy knew it. :-) House of the king - Focus. th-cam.com/video/4lv8YR68vcA/w-d-xo.html
I like this theory too. I hope Amazon doesn't exploit the series for whatever insincere ideas but rather respects it and do deep dives into lore and expand the world
I just realized in re-reading Cadsuane's interogation of Semhirage that a flaw in WOT is that the Chosen (Forsaken) are way too weak and too easily defeated. The idea that Nynaeve, for example, an inexperience Accepted could have captured Moghedian is patently absurd. The Forsaken should have been MUCH more powerful than they were described in the book and probably should have won. I'm hoping the TV show will modify the ending so that the Great Lord of the Dark prevails. Signed, Padan Fain
I'm glad to read an explanation that also makes use of Lanfear's specialty in TAR - it sells it for me. It's a great fan theory.
I think the truth is that RJ wrote EotW before he fleshed his story out, and there's some early essential plot points that are forever unresolvable - What is The Bore, How the True Power was "sensed" by Lanfear so she knew where to "drill", Ishamael being "half sealed", Lew's Therin magically making "seals" that contain a primordial force of nature beyond all conception - all these things are unexplained because they were made up to further the story for a book that was in it's infant stages of conception. Just my opinion.
I would love a video about Lew's Therin making the seals, by the way. What do you think he did?
I always envisioned the Dark One's prison as a black hole and it was more or less confirmed for me after I had read TMOL. The closer you get to Shayol Ghul, the slower time seems to pass by. That's time dilation for you. Reality seems to be warped somehow, which to me sounds like the curvature of spacetime.
29 years later, I finally finished the series this weekend. I can watch your videos now!
Congrats!
Lmfao I finished the series within a year but I still felt the same way, there was so many videos on TH-cam that I wanted to watch but was terrified I’d spoil something major for myself
My theory is that the timeline used to be linear and the creator bent time into a wheel making the serpent swallow its own tale. The creator did this to close the dark one out of time. This is why the dark one wants to destroy the serpent.
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There's obviously a little more to the Bore then just being in TAR, but it most definitely seems to exist in both. I think one of the subtle narrative roles Perrin plays has to do with this. Perrin witnesses Rand's Epiphany of Dragonmount, which is like the only time other than the last conflict at the bore where a person (Rand) is awake and simultaneously in the real world and the World of Dreams. Perrin again is used to confirm this at the Bore, as he is able to both see the conflict (sort of) AND talk to Nynaeve. So, on Perrin seeing Rand and Moridin dueling, EVEN though Perrin is in the World of Dreams, we can't forget the time-warping phenomenon was happening there as well, so the time-warping nature of the Bore is NOT solely due to it being in TAR, otherwise Perrin would have seen Rand and Moridin's duel in real-time, instead he saw them in near stasis, because they were SO close to the Bore that time was moving almost infinitesimally slow.
It might be more accurate to say that the Bore doesn't exist in a where or a when, since the prison is technically outside the wheel. Because of that, the Bore that connects from inside the Wheel to the Dark One's prison would actually be a conjunction of ALL realities, proven by the portal stones. Wherever the Bore is, it is where the Prime timeline, all other timelines, the World of Dreams, and probably other worlds and realities like the Finns and Ogier and Grolm all meet.
I think the extra-dimensionality of the Dark One is key here, and certain fan theories about how the First Age end I think supply some ideas here. I think it makes sense that the end of the First Age, the advent of channeling, the discovery or revelation of other dimensions (possibly through the arrival of the Ogier) and the discovery of the great sphere that would in the future be the sphere at Collam Daan are all interrelated. Basically, in some order or another, the Ogier show up, extra dimensions with alien ecosystems and intelligent life are discovered, channeling is discovered within humans and developed (likely made possible by the opening of certain dimensional pathways) and in one of these dimensions, some jackass found a big, giant, floating pearl and brought it to the Prime Timeline.
Man was Jordan the smartest fantasy author ever or what?
As soon as I saw as much of the Theoryland page as was displayed here, I had to pause video and google the full page. WOW what a fascinating and brilliant essay this is! It was a great read and a very sound theory. But now of course back to your video!
It seems likely that if the Dark One is outside of the pattern, and seeks to get inside, that the first place it would be able to enter is that "space in-between" the world of dreams and the various realities. It could follow that the bore would at least pass through it or be involved with this space.
Excellent talk. Your idea, "Shadowspawn are projections of the Dark One's will using the world of dreams," makes these creatures SO much more disturbing than they already are (particularly the scene with Narg from EotW). It also clarifies the mechanics of why they all drop at once at the end of AMoL. There is the question of Trollocs exercising free will to the extent that they do, and the use of Myrddrall to control them; since they are physical creatures instead of pure projections, there must be some crazy psychological s*** going on behind the too-human eyes of the Twisted Ones.
The first time I opened the first WOT book I read I was unable to put them down for years. I read and reread the entire series 3 times back to back. I just could not let the story go. And going back and reading about the characters in their early “innocent” days before the action picked up was just so interesting to me. I mean for years this was all I read over and over. I know it’s odd but I just became obsessed with the story and everything wheel of time.
When Rand is looking through his ancestor's memories, he sees the destruction caused by the creation of the Bore in the waking world. IIRC, a large explosion destroying the floating university/research station. Suggests that, while they may have reached 'through' the World of Dreams, the Bore itself was done in the physical world.
It is a very interesting theory. However it is more likely that the bore was drilled simultaneously in both the real world and the world of dreams than it being only drilled in the world of dreams.
I'm fairly convinced that the bore is a blackhole connecting Tel'aran'rhiod to reality. This theory felt conclusive to me reading the final novel since there was time dilation happening, events experienced closer to the bore was experienced much slower than battles occuring further away, shown by the nonlinear events that took place, as well as every character mentioning it. This is the same thing that happens with black holes (or any massive body except the time-dilation factor is much more pronounced in black holes due to their massive gravitational field). This is relativity and something RJ would have been very familiar with.
Perrin being scolded for wanting to fast travel between reality and Tel'aran'rhiod by the wolves, as well as the fact some Forsaken use that means of travel, clinches for me that the True Power is really part of the dreamworld. It reminds me of Sandman, in which Morpheus is one of the most powerful Gods because he is the Lord of Dreams, and so any thought, idea, dream, belief, concept, is under his domain. It would make sense that the DO would make the dreamworld his domain and draw his power from there.
Cam Sture this is how rand lit his pipe at the end without channeling
This makes 100% sense
Like I now have trouble thinking that this even might not be true
Fascinating theory! I remember thinking something similar when in MOL Perrin was able to affect things at the bore from the world of dreams 🤔
All your videos with spoilers are motivating me to read the books more quickly so thank you 🙏
You can save yourself some time by just using Wiki to "read" Crossroads of Twilight.
Trust me and save yourself the time.
Lmfao, “and so, they bored deeply into the Dark One’s Pit of Doom”! Lol, certainly explains the Dark One’s reaction.
Really glad to see your channel growing. I love your detailed videos about one of my favorite stories of all time. Keep it up!
Don't forget the strange merger of Luke and Isalm. Something that like that had to be done in the world of dreams using the dark ones will to merge two people into one.
I like this theory.
Fascinating. I always enjoyed reading everyone's ideas about what might really be going on. It's part of why finally getting AMoL was bittersweet.
But the GOOD kind of bittersweet.
This would explain the constant feeling of being watched in the unseen world
0:53 the bore is closer to the center of the wheel as compared to the rest of the world. Hence time dialation, also maybe in the world of dreams.
One of my favourite theories that I can’t wholeheartedly subscribe to
The Dark One didn't seem to affect any of the characters who entered the World of Dreams, nor the Wolf Brothers or the Wise One dreamwalkers. Therefore, he was clearly not in control of the World of Dreams. Furthermore, it is stated on multiply occasions in the WoT that the Dark One exists out of the Pattern. On the other hand, the World of Dreams exists within the Pattern, if my memory serves me well. Thus, the Shayol Ghul can't be located in the World of Dreams.
I do like this theory. But I feel like the Bore and the realm that the Dark One exists in is it’s on pocket dimension. I agree that Shayol Ghul is probably a place where the line between the realms is thinnest. I bet drilling through the Bore also drilled through a layer of the World of Dreams. So the influence of the Dark One seeps through that hole and into each layer of reality they drilled through to get to it. Maybe the other layers of reality were PART of the barrier around the Bore?
Tel'aran'rhiod was said to underly the Pattern, like the floorboards under a woven carpet. It makes sense, then , that a plce where the Pattern was becoming thin and threadbare, you would start to see and feel the floorboards beneath.
It doesn't really make sense for the Bore to be 'in' Tel'aran'rhiod, since the Bore is a hole cut in the pattern itself, and TAR lies outside the pattern. So, while it's an interseting idea, I don't think it really holds water, even without the infromation in MoL.
Great theory, I've heard it before and tend to agree with it. I have to say you mentioned dreamwalkers can heal themselves, but they can't. They can only imagine things like stitches to help injuries.
KPruchE99 they can replenish blood with will but healing takes...other things. Willing a ter angrail that heals would do it.
Interesting. Like the explanation. Thanks
Great video to watch if you're a devout fan of WOT. Did anybody else put together that the Forsken are Wolf "Brotheres"? The dark lord can switch there bodies in the dream world and bring them back in the true world. Awesome theory, I don't know if it's true but fun to think about.
Never heard this theory before. It really does make a lot of sense. Great analysis!
The real bore was inside us all along
It's a very interesting theory. Another way to look at this is that it is possible that the Creator "dreamed" up creation from the dream world.
I like your theory, and it may fit with my own:
This is not a complete theory, more like a question with some connected dots:
Is the Stone of Tear the seal on the Bore?
This could explain its unusual shape.
There is also the connection with Callandor, it’s role in sealing the Bore, and what happens to the Stone in Tel’aran’rhiod.
Lastly (told you it wasn’t complete, it could explain the name “Tear”. What started this train of thought was the fact that “Tear” was translated to “Rift” in my norwegian copy. This made me think of how different the name is compared to all the other names of places I WoT, and why this could be.
Finally, I haven’t seen this “theory” anywhere, so there is probably an obvious reason why this is completely nuts that I have overlooked...
I think you nailed the stuff he didn't know yet. But I agree, a interesting theory that is plausible
I have read this theory before and I think it is really good.
The Portal Stones access the Multiverse....
I sense a Wot-MCU crossover...
Avengers, CHANNEL!
If his prison was in the world of dreams then the forsaken could be accessing the dark ones power through the world of dreams because the it is a connecting world of all world's. I think the true source can also be accessed through the world of dreams were the true source is as well. The forsaken also are established as being ignorant of many things and it is the awe of the people of the new age and their myths that make what the forsaken know as truth infallible. Also Rand does use his will to over throw the dark one extensively in the last battle. I think that the pit of doom was where the dream and real world intersected. That's why the time distortion was so massive and the matter storm was so powerful. I also think that the dark one and the creator both exist is the world of dreams and it is they that are sensed "being watched" that all dream walkers feel watching them. I think it is the power of the creators protection that keep domesticated animals and people from appearing to those in the world of dreams without sleeping. It is also how the dark one and the creator can be omnipresent in all and can affect all. The Bore is a plot device ( it's there because it has to be somewhere) .
Yes! RJ constantly uses the fading into myth trope. Meanwhile Ishamael has been out pretty much the whole time, using dream shards on everyone...eventually the rest get loosed. They are gods for a time. But a lot of the power at first comes from their power in the world of dreams, not in power in the One Power...Rand literally just throws it around full force right from the start. Only after when Egwene and Perrin and to some extent Rand learn this separate dimension do they begin to match their foe. Always being watched! Maybe the creator’s eyes and the destructor’s eyes are the same...that ALL CAPS voice in EOTW
I think the wheel has 2 lubricants. Saidar/Saidin (let's call it Saida) on one side, coating the threads of the pattern before going through the wheel, and the dark one on the other side. Both are required to keep the wheel "balanced."
Since the threads of the pattern are people, the bore wouldn't be a place, but a hole burned through the souls of people. Whether that's all people or just some, I couldn't say.
This theory also explains the taint. I think males touch one side of Saida, and females the other. The taint is on the side closest to the wheel, which is the side males touch.
I always considered the Dark One to be a singularity akin to Black Holes. He definitely would be able to affect the World of Dreams because of that nature and warp things naturally, pulling them in. This also aligns with what I took as the Dark One's true goal: Ending all creation eternally. Him being able to control the souls of the Forsaken then can be easily explained by what is described when Rand breaks off Asmodean from the Dark One. They have a connection that binds them to him. And when they die, he just needs to pull on it. The theory is definitely interesting and very accurate for the time of its release. Who could have guessed that Rand would use the Pattern to fix the Bore.
Everyone knows that Exxon and BP teamed up and accidentally bored into the dark ones pit while looking for oil. Great video, thank you.
Fact.
Lanfear worked for BP confirmed lol
I always felt the bore was a temporal rift in the fabric of space and time. Like a tear in a cloth of fabric (makes sense since WoT uses terms like weaving, threads and patterns. The Bore essentially loosed the The Dark One from the Pattern, making a vital part of existence unhinged and act in the extremes of itself. What Rand realizes in the last book is that there can't be just Light or Dark, there needs to be a balance in existence. So he wove The Dark One back in the fabric of the Pattern.
Nice theory.
Dang, going to need to re-read the last book, lol again.
Haha talking about this stuff has me constantly re-reading everything
@@NaeBlisI'm glad the books are getting more attention now, they got me into reading (whoa) uh 30ish years ago. Before them my reading was the Sunday funny's if that. Robert Jordan opened up a whole new world for me, for that I am eternally grateful.
Love the channel and have been watching a bunch of your vids leading up to the shows release. Read all the books but not going to lie its been a couple of years, though I have been listening to the audio books over the last few months to get me ready. Personally I always thought that the bore could have been in the ways. Similar to Tel'aran'rhiod distance and time are a bit funky there and Machin Shin was either some derivative of the dark one or even a sort of guard dog that was warped over the eons.
Do you think Davey Crocket could be hero of the horn?
Would him wielding a musket blow their minds?
You should revisit this with Mogedian's comments on TAR added in and put into consideration. "some things that can be done here are far stronger than in the waking world" or something like that - and many other comments.
Great theory! I have always kinda thought along these lines. I think all that stuff is connected. I will got further and say that (and I don't have any fleshed out theory on this) Rand kind of took the powers on the DO and TAR into the waking world at the end.
My headcanon says the Aiel were right, life IS a dream and only Rand has truly accepted that this makes it another reflection of Tel'Aran'Rhiod.
Even if we grant that the bore is in the dream world, that doesn't prove that's where it was made. The creation of the bore could just have transcended the physical world into the dream world etc.
I'm just not sure it works with the AOL material in The Shadow Rising. Where is The Sharom?
Is there a World of Dreams for every reality that can be accessed through the portal stones? There should be, but I think the book says otherwise, which wouldn't make sense.
The world of Dreams touches all worlds so theoretically you could meet people from other worlds in the World of Dreams
@@orrinscott-stewart3641 that could be a plothole. In the books, the Aes Sedai use the world of dreams to look for letters, messages, etc and the only stuff they find comes from their reality.
The idea that the bore is a black hole makes plenty of sense to me just intuitively. Using that map of spacetime curvature where black holes bend it super far "down," you could imagine the dark one being on a layer of reality far "below" spacetime, so to breach the gap you need a force that can bend spacetime so far as to tear it.
At that point it's more rhetoric than it is pseudoscience, but that would work in the world of dreams.
The Dark One would probably manipulate reality the same way one does in the world of dreams but on a bigger scale, like what Rand does at the very end of AMoL.
It makes sense that the bore was drilled concurrently in both the waking world and the world of dreams.
I laugh very hard with the bawdy sentences/jokes that «someone» writes in your videos, you truly are the Nae'blis!!! XDD
The Bore is everywhere and nowhere, just as the pattern is. The Theory is solid, the only issue is the final statements about how to seal the Bore.
Nice new set!
these videos make me wish that there was an abridged version of the WoT that cut the material in half. The world is so amazing, but so many plot threads become tedious after the first four or five books
Is the Bore a reference to CERN?
Question: Is it possible to summon Sa'Angreal in Tel'aran'Rhiod?
+ You can influence (and thus possibly summon) weaves in there, so you have some measure of power over the one power independent of your chanelling ability.
- Angreal (and thus probably Sa'Angreal) are created by chanelling your ability through this seed Ter'Angreal thingie. This makes it rather probable (in my eyes) that some measure of your ability is left in the Angreal. Lanfear stated that it is impossible to create this ability in the World of Dreams, no matter your skill.
- No one ever does this. I understand that skilled Dreamwalkers don't necessarily need one, but people like Elayne or Siuan are definitely better off with it. And even Dreamwalkers should prefer it occassionally. Think of the battle in Tel'Aran'Rhiod between the Aes Sedai and Mesaana's black ajah. Simply get every Aes Sedai and Wise One out, summon the strongest Sa'Angreal you know, and burn the whole Tower to the ground with it, ideally with Balefire to make sure Mesaana has no time to escape (since her capture was the reason for the whole battle).
Or when you fight someone, simply have a mountain or an ocean of lava collapse on top of them or summon a storm so great that it will take time and strength to overcome the bloody thing. While none of these methods are lethal against skilled opponents, the Sa'Angreal provides a whole new and surprising set of attacks.
The fact that no one ever does this made me wonder. Why? Someone must have thought of it.
Has Brandon Sanderson ever answered the question?
I need to read it again, I thought it was a big visible, silvery sphere that just sat there suspended in air before and above a lake of fire under a volcano after the breaking?
Stumpy Hobbit I think that was the academy/research institution that Mierin worked at but I could be wrong.
@@Rancor9000 Its both the Reaerch institute was where they did the drilling.
When I first read this series, I thought the shayol ghoul and mordor were the same place . Smh
Thanks for the awesome video
Oooh, what about how entering TAR in the flesh is “evil”? Does this support the theory?
i don't think it is in the world of dreams i think the reason that you see the effects of the dark one more strongly in the world of dreams is because the last battle was happening across all the mirror worlds and the world of dreams exists across them all so it makes sense you would see it there the most. Also i think was in ?Shadow Rising? when he first used a portal stone the Dark One was wining in all of the other worlds so it would make sense that their was an unmaking going on in the world of dreams.
If the bore blew up the collum dan then why did shayol ghul develop on a rustic island in a cool sea like thousands of miles away?
He removed that pattern with reality and the very lace of ages. The one power and true power were to force the dark one out of reality right?
What is the difference be tween a wolf brother and a dream walker
I'm not sure where the bore is but I think it is a singularity.
I dont buy it that it's in the world of dreams. Rand has the vision in the Rhudiean Ter'angreal of Lanfear using the Dome (flying saucer ship..thing) crash and bore the hole in the real world.
Does it have a mirror image/influence in the world of dreams? Yes, it's been around for 1000s of years by now so of course it would.
agreed
The bore is a hole in reality as the book states because that is what the wheel is, reality. Hence why the dark one is able to reach through and make changes to the waking world/reality. People, and even the dark one, cannot make changes from the dream world to the waking world as the world of dreams is a reflection of the waking world and not a reality like the waking world. The world of dream is more of a 'spirit' world or a world in outside reality and oblivion/the dark one's prison. One might even argue it is the opposite of the dark one’s prison. This is highly supported from all interactions we see the characters have with the dream world.
I will suggest that the bore is a hole that goes through the waking world into something else, an anti-reality if you will or as we are told in the books "the dark one's prison". The dark one is the source of his power from this realm/world as the creator is the source that Aes Sedai draw power through. The bore does not wholly reside in the world of dreams as one would have to tap into the world of dreams from the waking world, even if you step into it in the flesh. We are shown the physical/walking world image of the effects of the bore opening in Rand's vision in Rhuidean, an entire city is swallowed up by it.
Also, are we ever introduced to interactions with the dark one in the world of dreams beyond the actions of his servants? No. But! In the waking world we are introduced to bubbles of evil. And the reason why time slows by Shayol Ghul is because the dark one's realm is anti-time/anti-reality/anti-pattern. The dark one is a 4th dimensional being which means that it is outside of time.
The patter is time/reality itself and the dark one has to power overcome it or counter it if you will because that's what he is, he is the antithesis of the creator who created the ENTIRE pattern/span of time. The world of dream is not a connector to the two realms, it is more of an afterlife or after realm that is connected to the pattern where creations of the waking world live on and are reborn from; Brigette's and the wolves' existence makes this abundantly clear. All of this is why balefire is so dangerous because it negates not only the waking world but the world of dreams as well. The dream world is a pool from which the waking world can renew itself in a way or at least with the living creatures of the world who seem to be recycled often. The division of worlds would be as: dream world/waking world/dark one's prison and not waking world/dream world/dark one's prison. The dark one can touch the world of dreams once he is able to touch the waking world. He was not able to pull people from the world of dreams until the seals weakened and broke as we see in the books.
I would recommend that in order to understand the principles of these theories to Robert Jordan's world one has to be familiar with deism and quantum physics to a degree. None of this should be a surprise as Jordan was a great student of history, science, and religion.
Sorry for zeroing in on something you said in the introduction rather than the primary topic of the video, but I do not believe your assertion that the world of dreams spans all realities, but rather that each reality has it's own world of dreams. If this weren't the case, any character could only exist in a single reality at any given time. (Remember that Bergitta can sense at the end of AMOL that she's being reborn.) The heroes of the horn would only be able to fight in a last battle in a single reality at a time, which does not make sense as there are an infinite number of realities and they would naturally be called on to fight in many at once. Additionally, the versions of the characters in multiple reality must access the world of dreams simultaneously, just because of the nature of there being infinite realities; with this being true, how/why would they never meet each other while in the world of dreams? Also, what about the realities where buildings/cities were built in different locations than others? If one world of dreams exists for all realities at once, the ephemeral reflection of the buildings that exist for a long period of time in each reality would mean that the entire world of dreams would be built up.
The books only make sense if the world of dreams is specific to the reality you're in, with each reality having it's own.
Actually, some things remain constant in all realities. The Creator, the Dark One, and a world that surrounds them all at once (WoD). Verin also stated that if the DO is freed in one world, he is freed in all. No one exists in all realities (other than the gods), and even should you exist there, they would most likely have different experiences, skill sets, abilities based on who and what that person is. Also, the reality that the book takes place in is consideres the true worls where others are mere mirrors, only some being ALMOST as solid as ours. When Rand, Loial, and Hurrin were traveling through one of the worlds in The Great Hunt, it reflected the passing of the Horn and those that carried it. That suggests that the Horn (and those tied to it) are another constant. Perhaps the heroes are spun out in other worlds to exclude others (that would explain many other names and deeds) if they have the possibility of existing there, or they are spun out in all applicable worlds at once. Egewene, while still with the Aiel, mentions seeing dreams from people from other worlds that make no sense to here, which would also support the WoD existing AROUND all realities.
@@joshuafriday9748 That's just it though... if reality splits with every decision everyone makes, then there are versions of reality that are completely 100% identical to this one, only in which I took a drink of water before writing this instead of after. (IMO, this is the problem with the whole theory, which originated in quantum physics.)
Applied specifically to the books, there are versions of reality in which everything is completely identical to the one we read about, only Rand stubbed his toe walking up to the cave where he confronted the Dark One and one where he didn't. If there is only one world of dreams and one set of heroes of the horn, they could only be summoned to one reality at a time, which does not make sense given the whole infinity universes theory.
Given the theory, there are realities where somebody built his house 1/16" closer to his neighbor than in another reality and another where his house is 1/16" farther away and another where his house is 3/32" farther away and another where... Extend this and entire cities move, meaning the single world of dreams reflecting ALL of these realities, would be built up literally everywhere. What about the version of reality that has Shadar Logoth where the White Tower is in the reality we read about? Why isn't that reflected in the world of dreams equally as strongly?
Or maybe RJ intended it to be that only major events cause splits in realities, or only by specific people. That's not what it has in the books (or source theory) though.
As far as Verin, I don't trust what she says as she was a dark friend and could be manipulating the people around her. (She IS Aes Sedai after all... when aren't they trying to manipulate others? ;-) )
It is an interesting discussion...
It probably does not split EVERY decision/possibility, but only those with consequences. Like the "stubbing the toe on the way to the pit" could be a possibility where it would cause him to trip and not have the equilibrium of will to force the roof back up, thus getting crushed by the Dark One's Teeth (I win again Lews Therin).
It could also be that the WoD takes into account your reality and reflects itself as your mind would know it (as the strength of that place is the strength of the mind). Which is why it would occasionally show glimpses of other places (like the jointly ruled Tar Valon). That brings up the interesting point that Slayer and Perrin could possibly travel to other realities via the WoD if they could envision the correct world.
Also Verin was not Black. She was a sheep in wolves clothing (and with a sheep costume over the wolf costume). She told the truth and even gave Egwene the truth about Ishmael (which im sure she did understand that "name within a name" paper). Being Brown means that faking knowledge would have been anathema to her.
Just here for the white board!
Tel'aran'rhiod has its own rules and they are quite clear. Because of those rules it makes no sense for the Bore to be in there. The Bore is in the Pattern and the prison of the Dark One is outside of the Pattern.
It dawned on me, Lanfear is kind of a Lilith, seeing as Illiana appears to be an Eve; at least if you accept that Jordan was strongly influenced by Christian Judeo religion and admitted as such. Lews Therin Kinslayer is fallen man. Also, the way the stone of tier deteriorated in the world of dreams parallels the deterioration of the 7 cuendillar seals in the real world. The Dark One's Power must have been eating away at them the same way. "Everything fails, when he touches it."
@Amber Hoke Yeah, the stone of tier thing is pretty obvious.
It's an interesting theory, but has a ton of holes in it until you adjust just one piece of new information, but we need to clarify two points first. The first point is that time doesn't always slow in the dream world, but rather it's distorted and can be longer or shorter compared to the physical world. This supports the study of worm-holes and planes of existence. The second is that Lanfear was a scientist, but not a scientist who studied the dream world, but rather a scientist who studied energy. The books expressly explain that she was the lead on a project to tap into a whole new kind of energy. The world had already mastered every kind of positive energy, nanotech, mag-grav and dozens more. She was looking at a new unlimited source of power. Now considering what we know from the stories, the world of time is our world and exists in the positive. The dream world is a reflecting plane of existence which only derives structure from the real world. In fact only animals with structured minds appear in the world of dreams. If you pass through from the positive existence into the purgatory of the dreamworld, then on the other side of that reflection is the dark one. I believe he is a being of pure anti-matter. Suddenly all the clues work. When Graendal channels the True Source it's described as not drawing from the dark one, but rather touching him or releasing just a bit of his pure essence (or energy). The forsaken constantly mention the Dark One "unmaking" the world. A perfect description of introducing anti-matter to matter. He is a being of pure energy and lusts for structure, but can only find it in our dimension which is why he covets it. He is pure negative energy on the other side of the reflection of the world of dreams. When his creatures, which are constructed with his negative-plane energy step through Death Gates, they instantly die because Gateways are positive material plane points pierced with pure positive energy and it causes a disruption that instant kills them (like two alternate charges meeting), but leaves their physical bodies behind completely intact. When fades "travel in shadows" it describes them as being able to travel the between of physical world and light energy and the negative world where light (a positive energy) is lacking. I believe the Bore was Lanfear's attempt at a physical gate to draw anti-matter which is constantly described as unlimited power even in our day and age. So our world is the positive, the dark one exists in the negative, the dreamworld is the infinitesimal surface between the two and the bore was a physical attempt to build worm-hole to access anti-matter.
I like the videos, but the ads that start mid sentence almost makes me hit the close button. Too many ads.
Really really nitpicky detail here but, technically you can't heal yourself by willing it in tel'aran'rhiod. You can use channeling to heal in tel'aran'rhiod (but it isnt possible to heal oneself even with channeling), see the slayer vs perrin fight. Slayer couldn't heal the cracks in his face, he had to will them stiched together.
sorry but world of dreams doesn't work more like the "world" the dark one is in seeps into material world and allows him to shape it like how dreamers shape the dream world. So the bore I see as more of tapping into another universe were the dark one is so the bore would be on the "lace" or universe level and flow onto everything and would connect as you get closer to its area
I'm going go with a *nah* on this one.
Cool theory though.
The main problem with this theory is that nothing done in the world of dreams to the world can effect the waking world.
Oneofdazzz dream spike....
8:27 you hinted that the creatures in the Blight were projections of the Dark One. This not accurate. I do remember that one of the Forsaken actually referred to the worms as a creation of one of the other Forsaken and how the Borderlanders merely call them worms. I do not remember which book and which of the Forsaken had mentioned it though I do know it was one of the male talking to one of the female Forsaken.
On an unrelated note: I cringe everytime I see that image you have of Rand, Mat, and Perrin in your intro. Perrin's hammer is not that large, it is actually only the size of a blacksmith's hammer with a slightly longer handle. The hammer that is portrayed in the image would be unwealdable even with Perrin's strength and size.
Think about ishamael’s predilection for using the WoD
Whiteboard response: At least they wern't board.
love my red spoiler but my white board lacks snarky or joke comment. its just a quote. Love the channel. work on the white board haha!
FWIW: Instead of using the expression, _"this is not my first rodeo,"_ I like to use my own aviation-related metaphor referring to the standardized aircraft traffic pattern at an airport. {Upwind, Crosswind, Downwind, Base, and Final Approach.} I say, _"I have been around the pattern once or twice",_ or something similar.
NOW that I am REREADING the WoT novels, when I think or say that aviation-related metaphor, THE FIRST THING I think of is _the weave of the pattern_ from Jordan's novels. Really.
It's interesting to note that RJ was a door gunner in Vietnam
I think Daniel Greene gets more "recognition" or whatever for being the Wheel of Time guy on TH-cam, but I think your analysis and other content should be lauded more. I don't mean to denigrate Daniel at all, but he doesn't go deep into it like you do, and that's what I'm looking for. Thank you!
moved out of the basement? nice! :)
@Nae'Blis >>> WHA...? Oh, you meant the _Bore_ from _THE WHEEL OF TIME!_
For a moment I thought this video was about ME...😝
Hi Nae'Blis. The music in every intro of your videos made me think of that dutch song !
Perhaps you will like it ! Or maybe you alrealdy knew it. :-)
House of the king - Focus.
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The Dark one did nothing wrong.
I like this theory too. I hope Amazon doesn't exploit the series for whatever insincere ideas but rather respects it and do deep dives into lore and expand the world
To me, if it is in the World of Dreams, that's fairly boring.
I just realized in re-reading Cadsuane's interogation of Semhirage that a flaw in WOT is that the Chosen (Forsaken) are way too weak and too easily defeated. The idea that Nynaeve, for example, an inexperience Accepted could have captured Moghedian is patently absurd. The Forsaken should have been MUCH more powerful than they were described in the book and probably should have won. I'm hoping the TV show will modify the ending so that the Great Lord of the Dark prevails.
Signed,
Padan Fain