Beyerdynamic DT 880 Review - Competitive in 2020? This is NOT the 600 ohm version
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00:00 - Intro
00:37 - Build, Design & Comfort
02:02 - Sound: Technical Performance
04:18 - Sound: Frequency Response & Tonal Balance
07:33 - Comparisons
10:14 - Conclusion - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Just so everyone is aware, my impressions in this video DO NOT apply to the DT 880 600 ohm. This is strictly an evaluation of the 250 ohm version. For anyone wondering the sources I used for this, I primarily used the Topping L30, SPL Phonitor X, and the Cayin HA-1A Mk2 tube amp shown in the thumbnail.
I get the feeling the 250 and 600 ohm vary more unit to unit than with differences in impedance according to oratory's comments on their driver qc
@@metal571 I was speaking with some of the guys about how changes to the voicecoil would impact impedance, and where this may also impact other things that show up in measurements. It's something worth looking into that probably also accounts for the differences in tuning.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow Tyll's graphs for the 250 and 600 looked essentially identical but people almost always say the 600 ohm has more of whatever resolution is. Would love to see what the differences are between those 2 in data
Hey Andrew, awesome review as usual. Since you mentionned the HA-1A Mk2, can i ask if you're planning to review it in a short future ? I know it's been around for a while now but i don't think you said much about it. I'm heavily considering this amp atm so it'd be nice to hear your opinion on it. Actually i don't think anyone reviewed it on youtube now that i'm thinking about it. Thank you!
Does it pair well with your 6XX ? How about the 560S ? Just a lil tease maybe ? 😄
@@random-internet-dude It's decent. Moderately 'tubey', with a unique impedance boost that has some weird/cool synergies with certain headphones like the Focal stuff. For HD650 it widens the soundstage a bit, but not THAT significantly.
The main downside in my opinion is that it's quite 'microphonic', and is very sensitive to vibrations. And I don't mean in the 'get this magical product to remove vibrations' kind of way, I mean like if you tap on the table it's on, you hear it through your headphones.
And also, I wonder if it could have been even more 'tubey'. This is sort of a middle of the road kind of tube flavor, and in some ways I almost want more of that in a tube amp. But... that's also because I have high end SS amps here too.
Great reviews as always. Keep it up.
880 is exceptionally neutral for a Beyer, treble peak aside. Without the peak and with a removable cable, it would be a killer purchase.
Dont realy agree.. maybe 6 years ago. or if its the only thing you have and cant compare to other headphones
I like the treble peak on this one. The DT1990, T1, DT990 have much harsher treble.
The peak is only an issue if you pair them with a treble focused amp. On a warm (like the Schiit Asgard) or tube amp the peak isn't an issue and the 880's sound amazing.
@@error4159 I will never use a warm amp. Neutral or bust.
@@NotOrdinaryInGames Sucks to be you then cause the 880's, 990's and HD650's sound their best on warm class A or OTL tube amp.
If I only could show you how good the 600 Ohm version sounds on a powerful tube amp. I had the 250 Ohm version a few years ago. Sounded just ok. But you'll love the 600 Ohm version.
i tested both and i can hear the diffrence but i think they are pretty simillar in dt 770 80 vs 250 ohm i actually fins 80 ohm sound better ngl
250 vs 600 is absolutely negligible
I have the DT880 and the HD600. The Sennheiser are way more uncomfortable, because of high clamping force. I prefer the sparkling highs of 880 regarding the veiled Sennheiser high mids low highs. As if you were listening music behind a door or through 5 layers of toilet paper in the Sennheiser. Some like this, some not.
Nicest comment. I bought DT880Premium 250ohm over the veiled 650. And much more expensive, thick mid HD600
Clamp force is easily fixed on the sennheisers, just fully extend them and bend the spring steel backwards to loosen them up. Don't try bend the headband, just the retractable steel parts.
I didn't find stretching them over a block to make any significant, lasting difference to the clamp force, plus this also compresses the pads (I ended up using a book to wedge them open to try to avoid this). But a bit of careful bending will immediately solve the problem, it's really helped me appreciate my HD58X a lot more.
It is funny that you say that. I find the DT880 to be far less comfortable than the HD650 because it doesn't have as much clamp force. I think the HD6-series could use *more* clamp. I realise I am likely the exception to the rule here, but it always amazes me how different we can be. Love the DT 880, the treble is so smooth. But it has too little clamp to be comfortable, so I still use the HD650 and prefer to be disappointed by its sound and be more comfortable.
I'd love to see you review the Beyerdynamic TYGR 300r
I have the TYGR 300 R. It's quite an amazing (and supremely fun surround-sound) headphone for the money, but not the best Beyerdynamic I own. That title goes to my T90.
I agree with basically everything you said, and yet the DT880 is still my most used headphone. Sure, the Sennheiser are more detailed, but the 600 series, even the 660s, doesn't sound as neutral to me. The 560s are more neutral but the DT880 still win when it comes to soundstage. Also i HATE the oval earcups on Sennheiser headphones, i keep adjusting them every 2min because they never feel quite right. The Sundara beat the DT880 in every way when it comes to sound, but they aren't exactly built to be just thrown into a bag and tossed around. I was very interested in the Elex, but they don't ship to Germany. Maybe there is some magical solution to my headphone woes above 1000$, but in the three figures price range everything has some kind of deal breaker that has me coming back to the DT880.
DT 880 600 ohm when sourced and amped properly beats a lot of 1000+ dollar headphones.
All sennheiser headphones except the he1 have dark veiled treble and lack bass. (It's all mids) These do not have better detail retrieval than the dt880's, or bass separation. Hifiman Sundara have dark treble aswell. Messurments don't lie!
What you do want is a 5db bass boost and a slight 200hz mudcut. Not as much as the harmen target. And you want diffuse field level treble extension, aside from above 10k where you want a little roll off, aswell as a 2.5-3k dip for a wide soundstage.
The dt880 600 ohms follows this target the best. They do have a 6k peak, but that is not a problem on a warmer side amp. And with a dac's bass button these don't even lack sub bass. With these you have perfect bass, mids and nearly perfect treble aside from the peak. Hifiman sundara are not better than the 880's! These have dark treble aswell just sennheiser headphones
@@TagePerssonAs an owner of both the 880 600Ohm and Sundara, I can say for listening purposes, I always go to the Sundara. They are more enjoyable to listen to!
For work, I go to the 880 every time.
Not sure what hd600 you are listening to , but the DT880 600 Ohm is WAY more detailed with better seperation .. it does have to driven properly tho , it likes plenty of power .. The HD 600 is intimate , the DT880 is insightful...
Dt 880 600 ohm or bust.
I have endgame headphones in my collection, and at least 30 + different high end headphones.
Yet the dt880 600ohm, is so special and astonishing, it sounds like a more intimate hd800s if that makes any sense, the details the speed the dynamics, especially when amplified properly.
Its very close to the t1 gen2 and the hd800s.
I wholeheartedly recommend the dt880 600ohms, its a bargain and a steal for its incredible performance.
T1 gen 3 is utter garbage. I tested one just few days ago, and it sounded like crap even compared to my DT 880 Pro 250 ohm. Kinda have hard time to believe T1 gen 2 would be any better. Made me really realize not all 1000 dollar headphones are as good as you might think, some are in fact worse than 5x cheaper headphones.
@@teemuvesala9575 the t1 3rd gen is a piece of trash.
It's boomy, the bass bleeds into the mids, and it sounds muffled.
Arguably the worst flagship headphone I auditioned.
The t1 1st gen and 2nd gen sound a lot like an hd800.
If I would describe the difference between them, the 1st gen sound like hd800, 2nd gen sounds like an hd800s, 3rd gen sound like beats by Dre on steroids.
Research the difference between 3rd gen and 1st gen you will astonished, 2nd gen has slightly more bass than the 1st gen and by slightly I mean hd800 to 800s difference.
What amp do you use?
I bought modded 880 600 ohm from custom cans, got some headphones worth roughly 2000$ and guess what xD those 880 keep up with them, best buy I did but its not for poor people since you need serious amp to understand it
Incidentally, i bought a DT 880 Pro (350 ohm) in 2011, too, and agree very much to pretty much everything said in this review. Still not bad when you aren't treble sensitive and can get it for around 150€ and very good gaming headphone. Amp definitely required, though.
I hope you review the DT 990 Edition someday, as there aren’t any good reviews of that model.
Edit: Also these headphones in Europe cost at around 140-160€, I only mention this because you keep bringing up the price and comparing them to 6XX.
Got mine back in 2008, other than the leather parts breaking off(wrapped it with a bandana) the sound is still clear.
I recently purchased a discontinued well-loved (but in good condition) Beyerdynamic T90, the open-back with the 250 Ohm Tesla driver. Was wondering if you heard it and what your impressions are? PS: I love it, especially on my tube amp it sounds magical to my ears.
Maybe it's different in the USA but here the other options are usually more expensive when looking at sales. Looking at the sub 150€ market is a bit underwhelming but these seem like the most well rounded combination of sound, low price and build quality. At this point I think I will just order them and try for myself.
own this since 2013, still using it, did paired it with tube
Wow I've never heard another person use the word 'whelmed'
Had me quite gruntled.
What would you recommend be the 880 and Hd58x, in regards to soundstage, detail retrieval and imaging?
I mostly agree with your review, but dynamics are actually quite good for me? Why better than my 600 at least. It is also more detailed in the Bass. Overall I prefer the 600. But for me, the 880 is actually less aggressive sounding than the 600, since the 3k elevation is a bit much for me and I can take the treble peaks without any problems.
I noticed that you have the Cayin HA-1A MK2 tube amp in the preview picture for this video, Elex review and also for the Rosson headphones. Can you please do a review of that amp? I'm very interested in it but there are very few reviews on that amp and no youtube review. Thanks.
The DT880's are Beyer's best kept secret from a mix engineer standpoint. Shame about the captive cable though.
i never understand this argument, it seem like an attached cable is less prone to break and less sensitive to cable rub transmissions.
plus, the cable is available from beyer, and since the headphones are made to be repairable easily, it would be a piece of cake for anyone with basic soldering skills to attach a new one.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vlplus they can be modded for 100 dollars if you don't wanna do it yourself so I don't see much of a reason to complain
Glad how you add that ENGINEER STAND POINT for 90% of these headphones making now aren't good like these
mine are 600 ohm from custom cans, modified with their mass loading and damping + nice cable, sound is so good that I got hard time to believe its true 😂
What you have said is exactly what i have heard when i tried it.
Excellent review from excellent reviewer.
by better detail I think you mean it within the midrange (u have to specify it) cause in the treble the senns has some veil. That being said the beyers and senns are not that behind with each other in therms of detail with the 880 being more natural and senns more in ur face type of details in the mids, but what is more of a difference, the dt 880 is more open and transparent without beaing too sharp. It is a better headphone to me (more real like sound, not veiled).
Hi and thanks for the very interesting and detailed review. I am puzzled everytime I want to check objective data, since several expert or audiophile websites show quite different frequency responses for the very same headphone variant. In theory of everyone follows the measurement standard, the results should end up comparable, taking out measurement tolerance and part-to-part variation. How can one evaluate the headphone performance if the sources are all different?
Good question and what interests me: What genre of music do they listen to with these headphone? The DT880 is recommended by Beyerdynamic for classical and jazz music and then I have to hear that it doesn't sound good with rock music and metal. Really now?
The DT 880 Edition delivers good detail, soundstage and imaging, which is an advantage with classical music. I sometimes have the suspicion that many listen to the wrong headphones for their music style.
It also doesn't surprise me that after such a long time that the DT880 has been on the market, there are better ones out there. But at €150 the choice is slim in this category.
I have dropped this thing a few times and surprisingly nothing broke. It feels flimsy but the connection can take a hit.
I have standard version and they are amazing!
I agree with the detail retrieval part and separation but for the sound the dt880 is way more balance and clean to my ear than HD650. I don’t know if the dt880 250ohm is that much different than 600ohm though. I don’t think they are that far off. 🧐
or they could be?! 😂 I had 770 250 ohm now I own 880 600 ohm, when my tube amp push those 600 ohms you can literally feel that energy, they wipe the floor with cans much more expensive
Nowadays .. people are more interested in the 600ohm version .. so a comparision would be nice between the two
I got the DT880 premium 600 ohm second hand for £70. Have now paired with the Hip DAC2 which has a great sounding bass boost. These are, to me, a perfect match because the 880 is quite lean in bass but can now switch it off as appropriate … what sounds best. Highly recommend best sonic experience I’ve had with headphones.
I got 600 ohm 880's from custom cans, rewired with balanced wire and their tuning kit, I dont power them with silly amps just proper tubes. They have great bass, can sizzle at highs if recording is low quality but overall they are killers up to lets say 1500$. My cans for around 2000$ can sound bigger in stage or tighter in bass, more detailed at highs but its not that big of a difference and price is 10x higher
That's what I like with Andrew is that unlike other reviewers *cough (Joshua Valour), Andrew recognizes the technical performance of an HP without being fooled of the fake details that accented treble of a particular HP like for the example in the video which is (HD650 v. DT880). There is much more than boosted treble giving out details.
Care to elaborate your criticism on Josh? I have felt that something is off about his reviews, but I've never been able to word it.
@@dannybos7024 I find Josh's review using audio description sometimes inaccurate and his lack of experience shows. For instance his review on HE-1. He describes soundstage and imaging per frequency like bass, etc. which should not be the case since those descriptors is judged as a whole frequency as every item in soundstage have a whole total sound like instruments and other objects that causes a sound. Also he refers to the position of voices inside the head which should not be the case as HP's tend to mimic speaker so there should be a center image so the voices should be in front. Though I know there are some hp's that have very narrow soundstage.
@@Lamp_God Interesting. I can definitely agree to a certain extent. His descriptions are really cryptic sometimes.
The main reason I don't watch Joshua Valour videos is I hate staring at his greased hair and shaped beard. I am watching videos for information, and the last thing I want to do is stare at a man for twenty minutes.
@@tysontyson1244 Fair, fair. But I'd much rather watch his beard than get fucking nauseous because of all his movements and the child pornography anime garbage some other youtuber has spread around his house (cough Z)
Im mainly trying to find out if the 560s is better than the dt 880 better for gaming
hey Andrew, will you ever review the AKG K701 or K702?
That'd be interesting
I have the AKG K712 Pro and it's very good.
@@JTB-- I had the 712 and IMO the mids are kinda fucked
@@chuckyfox9284 the 702 is just a worse built 58x
I bought a pair several years ago, found them very underwhelming. Looking for a 600 ohm version to compare. From what I hear, you have to have a very powerful amp to make them sing!
what a stupid question DT770, 880 and 990 will be not Just Competitive but always a Giant in the industry even after 35 More years
Sorry, dont like HD6XX. Allways Dt880 250ohms for me. Bye !
Hey Andrew I'm halfway across the world but I do have a DT880 600 ohm and it's extremely harsh to the point of hurting my ears even at low volumes I don't know what the hell is wrong with it but something is
I would not expect it to sound like the HD 600. A DT 880 costs about 150€, whilst ol mate Senny wants 300€ for the HD 600.
Really depends on where you live, with this one.
Look at 6xx, not 600/650, as he mentioned several times...
@@Tallnerdyguy drop are not delivering them everywhere. so for those who was unlucky to spawn in a wrong place 120 euros for dt880 is a better deal than hd58x 170$ or hd6xx for 220$.
Eh. If it has better imaging than the HD600 then it should follow that it is more detailed. I think the annoying peaks are masking some of that detail.
Please do a review of the Cayin HA-1A MK2 Vacuum Tube Headphone Amplifier / Pre amplifier showing in your video.
Please I need help, My first and only headphone is the m40x, I was so surprised by it because it was my first of decent audio gear so I was surprise how much detail it reproduced in comparison to the speakerd I had before. So I want the best for under 1000 dollars, I've been thinking of the Ananda. What do u think?
It's a good choice. I also recommend an EQ'd LCD-2 (not the classic or the closed).
Beyer doesn't seem to readily post/identify the drivers. Based on the specs I can find, it seems like Beyer outsources it's drivers and it uses the same driver or maybe a select few drivers for all of the headphones it sells today. Only the new 700 and 800 series use the updated Stellar driver, and again, both use the same driver, same 100mW power handling, only with increased sensitivity at 100 d/t ppl, including me, c/o the older ones not getting loud enough.
hi, I have a presonus studio68, can I drive the 250ohm perfectly?
Presonus 68 Headphone Outputs:
Maximum Power 150 mW/channel (56Ω load)
Frequency Response 20 Hz - 20 kHz (±0.2 dB, 56Ω load, 48 kHz)
Dynamic Range 107 dB (A-wtd, 56Ω load)
THD + N 0.002% (1 kHz, -1 dBFS, no load)
Impedance Working Range 32Ω to 300Ω
Did he say HD 650? Those are 400€ while dt 880 is ~150€. Is this comparison even sane?
why not, price not always go in pair with performance
This is not a PREMIUM version. It is the EDITION version.
When will you review the 600 ohm?
Not sure. Whenever I'm able to get one in haha. I'm told it's the best one though.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow it is. i have the 600 ohm and the 6xx and the 600 ohm kills the 6xx when it comes to resolution, detail, imaging and separation. 6xx sounds grainy as hell in comparison. please get a 600 ohm to review. cant wait to see your evaluation.
hey what about the he400i ?
The HD6xx is nearly the same headphone as the HD650? Not exactly? is there any difference in sound?
I measured a VERY slight difference between the two, like 2dB at most between 4-6khz. Both were new units so it's not pad wear. It could be within unit variation tolerances, but the difference in build could also be responsible. So realistically we can think of them as being sonically equivalent.
@@ResolveReviews This could also be baffle differences if you have an older 650, they went through several baffle revisions I believe, such as silk baffle, paper baffle, etc. Some have claimed that they do sound notably different.
@@xzackly7131 the baffle in the 650 was .5mm thicker than the 6xx.
Unless you have super hearing (yes thats real) you can't tell a difference in 99.95% of music. If you are an orchestra composer with 85 instruments playing? You might notice when a violin is off key by a 1/8 octave
for me it isnt too bright. A sennheiser would be too dull for me..
In Germany the Sennheiser HD 6 series is twice as expensive as the Beyerdynamics... Feelsbadman...
Edit: Beyerdynamic Produces in Germany, might give them a price edge...
dont get fooled, sennheisers are nothing special despite many headphone reviewers praise them. they are veiled and boring sounding with poor soundstage and honestly bad resolution because they veil treble and lot of the bass too. its just flat midrange headphone.
@@teemuvesala9575 according to sonarworks, hd 650 is the flattest sounding headphone they ever tested, which is yes, boring, but what you want for music production. the 880 is also meant for this use case, somehow people seem to enjoy this kind of headphones, they even made the 880 edition for that which have less clamping force.
The 600 ohm version needs to be reviewed
I own a DT880 and you just sold me an HD560S :)
Thank you for the review Resolve.
Same here. The Beyers were a great start into the Hobby.
Curious if you get your hands on a T1 Gen3. The low imp. is a bummer, though it could be warmer tuned. Did not visit my local store, to get my hands on and I wait for the sub 1k ZMF next year. So with the HEDD and the Elegia plus a 6xx and others(Beyers as well)at home, I‘m fine, but curious LoL.
Have a good time.
I tried the new T1 as well as the T5p and I gotta say that the rnd team at Beyerdynamic has had a little too many Kronen Bräus during development. They are, in my opinion, an insult to the entire audio enthusiast community.
'The crazyness in the treble' - totally agree. Even the 600ohm that has less energy in lower highs sounds way too bright. Putting clinex paper tissue doesn't help. The HD600 is way more neutral, although image narrower than DT880s. I revisited diyAudioHeaven to take a look his measurements, so there's actually quite a difference between 250 and 600 ohm version. They might be OK editing as they show more upper freq 'details'. If the HD560 would have less of the 4-7kHz peak and a bit more energy at the very top, that would be nice.
The title is very confusing. I would re-title it, "Beyerdynamic DT 880 250 ohm Review". The way you have it written sounds like you're stating outright that the 600 ohm version is not competitive, but perhaps the other versions are.
At any rate, do you know if the DT 770 sounds like a closed 880? I'm very interested to hear the 770, but almost certain I'll dislike it.
Good point. Switched it up. DT-770 is more V-shaped.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow I have the dt770 250 ohm and dt880 pro 250 ohm and totally agree that the 770 is way more v-shaped, the midlow dip just makes the balance too weird for me. I use the dt880 pro for mixing and the only time I’d grab the 770 is for tracking sinced it’s closed back.
Never tried the dt 880 premium myself.
If one doesn’t need a closed back then I’d always recommend the 880 pro instead of the 770.
DT 880 Premium 250 ohm would be an even better title, to make sure people know it’s not about the DT 880 Pro 250 ohm. I don’t think the 770 sounds like the 880, the V-shape of the 770 makes it just to weird of balance imo. Has a weird dip in the midlows. If having a closed back is not a must then I think the 880 pro 250 ohm is a much better choice. Huge difference.
@@greedokenobi3855 Have you listened to the dt990 by chance? How does it compare with the 880s? I'm trying to decide between them. Sorry for bad English
@@sergiomorales2087 I have not. I’ve never tried them.
Detail retrival is better on the 650? I disagree.
are your sundaras still holding up? looking to get one but qc is concerning
I've never had any issues personally, but I'm just one person. I'm not aware of the failure rates.
Does anyone know if the aeon open x and aeon flow RT are the same?
They are not. The RT stands for "retuned" so they are not drastically different but better bass response on the RT.
The flaws in this headphone are ideal in my current gaming rig. The treble peaks allow for emphasized dialog and footsteps, add my modmic and its perfect. I have much better headphones but for this specific use case I have not found better.
For footsteps, i could see it being good, but most people don't buy headphones to listen for footsteps...and for the rest, we aren't good enough or cheaty enough for it to matter
WOW, ive heard just the opposite concerning sibilance (every review is different).
what's different from the PRO version???
i need to know that
thanks
From what I've seen it's just a longer coiled cable.
just the cable attached (non removable in both cases) and headband. the pro is one made in the 250 ohm version, while the non pro can be made 32 ohm, 250 ohm and 600 ohm
In your opinion what would be the best headstone In the $200-$400 range for aggressive punch in the face sound? I mean, I want to be assaulted by Stevie Ray Vaughan’s guitar, I understand?
The best headphone in that range is a current revision Sundara (with an amplifier), but I wouldn't exactly call it the most punchy. For that you might want to look at something from Fostex, or maybe an EQ'd Elegia
I much prefer the 600 ohm version, currently have the 250 ohm and it just doesn't stack up well to the other
The best midrange on headphones, also better hd800s
I take the DT880 250 ohm over HD6xx. A better amp might change my mind. I dont know. Use an Asgard 3.
This is so weird .
For me 6xx is way better than 880 and the hifiman 400i is better than both in a big margin
Maybe because HF 400i tuning is somewhere between the two of them. Didn't hear the 400i yet. I wonder how is the Massdrop 4xx comparing to the 400i🤔
@@pliedtka
I think jushua talked about their differences on his review of 400i 2020 revision
I take the Beyerdynamic DT-990 250 ohm over Sennheiser HD6XX. The Monolith Liquid Spark amp creates magic with Beyerdynamic headphones. I have tried the HD6XX with most of the popular cheap amps out there. Only the now discontinued Schiit Magni 3 had the best results, even over the newer Schiit Magni Heresy. With all the other amps the HD6XX sounded underwhelming.
@@tysontyson1244
Interesting information
This is weird. My 880 Pro doesn't actually sound sibilant at least to my ear. Maybe batch variation or Pro vs Premium. I'm not really sure.
Success with the sibilant Beyerdynamic headphones are often amp dependent. Perhaps you are using an amp that pairs well with them.
I agree, the treble sounds coherent, even crankable. Nothing like the ice pick of DT990. The Pro version is the better model too.
@@origami74 You may have to research headphones that would be better than Beyerdynamic DT880 for mixing and mastering. However, if you had to stick with the DT880, the Ray Samuels Emmeline XP-7 with opamp upgraded to AD797 is a good pairing that I had used for two decades. Of my newer modern amplifiers, the Singxer SA-1 plays nice with the DT880. My preference is to use a Darkvoice 336SE tube amp with DT880. If you want a cheap modern budget level solid state amp, the Monoprice Liquid Spark at $100 pairs nicely with the DT880.
hearing loss is a significant parameter often left out, hearing los occurs first in the higher ranges, hearing loss occurs naturally with time plus the exposed environment.
The guy want to hear through headphone what we trying to hide as a professional musician
i am still baffled that hd 650 and dt 880 are loved by the audiophile community, they are made for music production, and try to be flat and consistent.
@@JohnSmith-pn2vl my modded 600 ohm version powered by tubes is musical rather than flat, the only problem is that you need source that is kind of expensive to drive them, once you have the source they can outperform headphones way more expensive
I tried these with a guitar amplifier( 250 Ohm version). They sound sucks. I can't tell why. Cheaper Sony headphones (MDR-7506) perform better.
I use it a lot for the Z review sound demos (600ohm) I think it is good and transparent to pick up on those different tonalities. The only weird thing I hear is something I would call a gray background, it doesn't quite have the deep blacker backdrop in separation that the 990 (600ohm) has. But somehow this makes it stand out when listening to the sound demos because it will pick up on dynamics and try to reproduce them anyway. But for casual listening I think the 990 (600ohm) is better, even if it is more sounded. Dunno why but my 880 is actually brighter than my 990. The 880 doesnt have the resolution in the air treble like Sundara does, but it has like massively better soundstage and imaging IMO. I think those Beyers, together with the 770 250ohm are one of the best desktop, do it all headphones of all time, that don't destroy your wallet. For something different and more organic one could go for the biocell drivers /denon/fostex. Personally I dont like the 560S and I think the beyers are lightyears better, them sennheisers have all the 2-6khz you would would want, but above 8-15khz I think the sennheiser 600 series is a little lacking. Also; HD560S mid treble sounds agresively grainy, also not even close to 880 stating or imaging. Non-existent high treble also. Although on some measurements they extend well. But compared to beyer they are veiled. But to say the 880 is metallic in timre ? No No No - judge for yourself guys!
What amp do you use with your dt990 600ohm?
Good call. I think some reviewers focus too much on technicalities and miss out on the big picture. The same reviewers are giving high marks to HD560S and DT990 which have obvious flaws. It's like walking into a electronics store with TVs that have the saturation turned all the way up, that's not how you want to view it long term.
you are comparing open back headphones with a semi open back..
so did i waste my money? i’m relatively new to audiophilia and i prefer a cool-bright neutral leaning sound texture with more focus mids and treble
the dt880 premium 250 ohms is my first open back dynamic headphones and i bought it earlier on this year i was advised from an audiophile discord server to buy the dt880 and/or dt1990 since i enjoy listening to extreme metal
I don't think so DT 880 is one of the best open backs I've heard. I've learned to take audiophile discussions with a grain of salt after I discoverer how bad super hyped headphones sounded once I had a chance to listen with my own ears.
People swear by these and i still don't know why...the treble feels like it's trying to scratch out my earballs
Meet the 990. Better technical performance and worse tuning.
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HERE COMES TREBLE!
Going on and on about HD 6xx at $220 - is this Video/ this Video Channel meant only for US of A Viewers? Are you aware that there are quite a lot of other Countries in the World besides US of A? Secondly, measurements and graphs are not the be all and end all of an audio component's real sound as perceived by the human brain. Ridiculous garbage Review, centered around a stupid graph.
Great sound quality but very cheap flimsy design. Those headphones would snap into pieces within a week of use.
no, this is are by far the best headphones ever made, including 770 and 990.
they are easily repariable, you can get every part from beyer since ever, which is over 40 years for the 880.
easily dissasemble, even the cable is available.
they are unbeatable in price/performance and last literally forever.