Hi-Fi Sound, Low-Fi Budget - Review: DT 880 600 Ohm
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 ต.ค. 2024
- The Beyerdynamic DT 880 600 Ohm headphones are power hungry but not a huge drain on the wallet, these affordable open-back studio headphones offer a taste of the Hi-Fi sound signature at a fraction of the cost.
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I’d be skeptical about that conversion. I can’t remember if it’s converting xlr-3.5 or balanced period-3.5 but it’s supposedly dangerous and could either wreck the headphone or the amp. As it’s not truly balanced your just pulling more power from the xlr out which is what you want I suppose but at what cost? Could be a rare problem but something I haven’t looked to much into. Should have terminated it in 2.5 trrs
Ah yes, Balanced is a loaded term: th-cam.com/video/yZlFNR5DUGg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=EQCsdS7pz51wKgIJ&t=85 but a proper conversion is *balanced* in that you are running a dedicated ground per channel. Having access to more power is often a benefit but not the exclude reason to run balanced cables to your headphones. In fact, some amps offer the same power output from both their TRS and XLR outputs. While slightly bigger, the 3.5 is more common which will allow you to reuse your cable with other headphones (like many Hifiman for instance).
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Hey thanks, just checked out your channel as well, lots of great review over there th-cam.com/channels/7oIaIC1DAEMDdgScBoJzMA.html I'd definitely be down for some kind of collab in the future.
@@SineCraftAudio thanks for the response and the kind words. I do have an idea for something if you want to shoot me an email, we can chat more. The address should be available on my account page.
Watching this with Dt880/600. Giving that dt880 is neutral-bright analytical headphone, the sound is very smooth. I expected to experience some dry and a bit cold sound but that's not the case here. It's quite smooth, somewhat warm with bright treble. The mid is very good here also, not shouty or recess. The sound is very balanced to my ears.
Do you have a chance to try the Hifiman Sundara or Deva?
Which has better sound quality?
I second this.
Not yet. From what I've read the Sundara seem to be winner from a pure sound quality standpoint but I've not heard them first hand.
@@SineCraftAudio Some reviews find the bass to be lacking, are the sub-bass present on these headphones?
@@SineCraftAudio Sundara is 104 more expensive than the DT880 600 Ohms our place, which would you choose between these two? Thank you for the reply I really appreciate it.
Bass is present and articulate on these but they will not satisfy you if you like a lot of heavy, powerful bass. I have not tried the Sundara but the Hifiman headphones I have sampled all had more bass than the DT880. I like how planar headphones produce bass personally.
How long does it take to burn these in?
Btw: Do you think these headphones, the 600 ohm edition will be an upgrade over my dt770 80 ohm?
I haven't hear the DT770 but from what I've read they are going after a different sound, not better or worse, just different. Burn is was quick. They are a very tight headphone and sound pretty spot on right out of the box. The critical thing with the 600 ohm is to ensure you have enough drive or they will sounds dull and thin.
How the 880 sounds with the original single connection ?
If you have a powerful amp with a quarter-inch output it should sound decent but not as impressive as with the balanced set up.
The Philips treble is much better-balanced and they have a more natural soundstage thanks to front-to-back angled drivers. They're also less fatiguing to wear for long listening sessions since they fit less tightly than the Beyerdynamic.
Would they work on the IFI Zen DAC or Amp?
At 196 mW @ 300 Ohm from the SE output I'm not sure that it would drive it well. The Balanced out has significantly more power, guessing you'd have closer to 800 mW which should do them justice.
@@SineCraftAudio Okay, and what about as a stack? I have both.
can you recommend dac to power it?i only play games no mic need
What's your budget? The Schiit has some good options in the Jotunheim and Magnius. AudioGD makes some very powerful amps that you can find used for a very good price. If you can convert them to balanced you will have more options for high powered amps.
@@SineCraftAudio do you play competitive games?is there better headphones than dt 880 600 ohm?
@@yamin2000 I do not do much gaming. You might check out the Beyerdynamic TYGR 300R. It is well reviewed for both music and gaming and will share some of the Beyerdynamic sound.
I use a cheap Amplifier soundblaster for 20 bucks and Boom 3D , I forget the cost of this app, but cheap, I can get theatrical sound with "spatial" on the app, and you feel like you're in the cinema with them, and I crank up the bass with "Bass boost", put it to the highest, but still not a lot of bass. I will buy a bass booster amp and see if it can. And for classical I select "Fidelity" to the max. I have the 250 ohm, it's pretty good for 200 Australian dollars, unless you're a bass head it's a good buy, because it can recreate those unique sounds from flagship headphones, and it's really confortable. The expensive headphones have mostly the same components that you find in amplifiers, except that they're small and in the headphones. But if you outsource this stuff in an outside amp / bass booster, you just need a pair that can execute the changes made by them, and this pair does (except for bass, yet to confirm it with a proper bass amp.)
How great is the sound difference between the 250 version compared to the 600? I am considering the 250 because I have the atom amp and I don't think that would power the 600. I currently have the he400i and the 1more over ears.
The 250 ohm version sounds really nice. It's detailed, it has some well articulated based, etc. I think if you had not heard the 600 version you would be happy. The 600 sounds more alive, more energetic. You feel like you are hearing the recording room more. It's a more differentiated sound signatures. I think both options are going to sounds thiner and more accurate than the HE400i.
@@SineCraftAudio Thanks 👍
My atom amp powers the 600 ohm fine.
@@tcideh4929 Thanks 👍
Great review and I agree with everything you said on this review. I own some TOTL Headphones from Utopia, Empyrean, Susvara, Z1R, HD800 and the DT 880 Pro Premium 600 ohm. And I tried to run Single Ended through allot of AMPS and the only ones that made a sound difference and powered DT 880 600 ohm was the Felix Euforia to about 75%, my Yamaha AS-3000 Int Amp, and the BasX A-100 (UNLEASHED), and my new WA33 Elite. After seeing this video planning on sending it out to get balanced. People trust me this is a great headphone and it is NOT the same as the lower ohm models and stop with any amp can power 600 ohm because you are WRONG. Yes any AMP can power a headphone but it will NOT be to it's fullest capabilities. Oh yeah SUBSCRIBED
Thanks for the positive feedback and sharing your experiences! Hope you enjoy them balanced.
The headphones can only take 100 mw max. I run them and dt990 600 ohm on a schiit magni just fine.
Yeah, I can't really explain it as I'm not an EE but if you listen to this headphone on more and less powerful amps there is definitely a difference in how it sounds. In my testing when driving it with beefier amps over balanced outputs it really comes alive. Having a watt on hand is definitely not a requirement but to my ear more power = more better.
@@SineCraftAudio moreso higher output voltage rather than pure wattage if you look at the sensitivity combined with the resistance. I also tested my pairs on slightly more expensive amps like the thx and asgard and the difference was there but wasn't really worth the price increase imo. I might get either one of mines balanced to test with the thx xlr out but I don't really feel the need to since I'm loving how it sounds with my current setup.
@@filipiino96793 If you love it as is, then don't mess with it. This hobby is law of diminishing returns for sure. Enjoy the tunes!
@@SineCraftAudio great review, outlined the way these sound very well. You got yourself a sub. Also seems like you have excellent equipment to test them on.
These really are very engaging and dynamic, and sound fantastic with stringed instruments.
You are correct in saying that these benefit from beefier amps. The science behind it, if you’re interested, is that the individual coils in the driver are thinner and more densely packed, as a result lighter and quicker to push air. The catch is that it requires a large amount of voltage swing to move these coils efficiently. Solid state amplifiers usually prioritize current gain rather than large voltage gain and thats why a lot of folks plugging them into low power solid states may find them thin, but personally I’ve found high-output impedance 2-ch stereo amps or Tube amps with big voltage swing work wonders with these headphones.
Low impedance headphones (75ohm or lower) require more current gain than voltage gain, if things werent already complicated, the best way to gauge how hard it is to push a headphone is to look at its impedance in addition to the sensitivity in (dB/V) decibels per input volt or (dB/mA) per input ampere.
So theoretically, having a higher impedance driver is actually preferable for amplifiers and is “easier” to drive than a lower impedance, because the amp has better control over the drivers and the thinner, denser coil with a lower mass can push air more quickly. Hope this has not bored you to death. If so I would not blame you.
Source: Im an EE
@@MohamedAli965 Very much appreciate the EE insights! I knew some of that but you laid it out really clearly, makes a lot more sense now. I'm going to build some adapter cables so I can try using the speaker taps on my Taboo to drive the DT880. Hopefully I don't destroy anything in the process.
I really wonder how this resurgence in popularity came to be.
the 600 Ohm version has been out for as long as I can remember ?
I think Z Reviews and DMS have been pimping them. Also, I suspect the proliferation of more affordable and powerful amps has made them more attractive / usable to more folks.
@@SineCraftAudio What amp is the bare minimum to drive these with a 'desirable synergy'
Best guess would be a half watt at 600 ohms, but don't quote me on that ;)
@@N3ukenInD3K3uken An Atom is fine
@@SineCraftAudio Would a Schiit Magni 3+ be alright to power these?