Got the 600ohm today, sounds wide to me. It seems not as seperated in the treble compared to a Tesla offering like the 1990, but is still pretty good, and doesnt have the 1990/1770 low mid bump problem. Bass seems very good to me. Reasonably textured and tight. The treble can be slightly peaky on some tracks.
Got the 250ohm version for less than 100 Eur on German Amazon at a sale last year. No issues with padding at all with 10+ hour use a day. But the pads get really dirty fast.
Love my DT880. Spot on review. Not a headphone that sounds exciting but it is very clean and precise. Probably the best reference dynamic headphone that can be found under $200. If I want a little more fun sound, I swap the pads with brainwavz xl perforated pads.
It is an excellent headphone in the 250 ohm version. Of course not as impressing as the hd800s but it is really kind of micro hd800s and for 180 euro for the well 250 pro version it is an absolutely amazing headphone. Yes, the hd600 is more neutral but for me the dt880 is quite analyrical but also fun to listen to.
1:57 Do not subject your headphones to rough handling. I tossed my DT770 about 4 feet onto a settee and I caused a slipped magnet in one of the drivers which costs almost as much to replace as buying a new set of headphones.
Hey man just letting you know I bought these off your recommendation and you're right on the money. For the longest time I thought I was too treble sensitive to enjoy a beyer but it just turns out I just find the HD 800 to be as painful of an experience as you do, but for some reason the 880 do not bother me really at all, they are right up there with HD 6xx in my rec list, they are exeedingly competent for their price.
@@TheDodgefan9 Don't do it I take back what I said about the dt880 here, get HD 600 and sell your 6xx then move onto higher end cans if you so wish. Midfi is a hell of bottomless spending for little gain that you should avoid lingering in.
@@bigyeetus2866 Sundara and DT 1990 seem to be the next step up. Suppose I'll have to wait to make such a lofty purchase, at least in my current financial state!
@@TheDodgefan9 Don't get the 1990, it's bad, massive disgusting treble spike that fools everyone into thinking it's detailed with sucked out midrange. Get the sundara if you wish, it's supposedly pretty good, my rec would to try the 600-1200 dollar mark cans like elex or something along those lines.
@@bigyeetus2866 I think I want something less dark than 6XX. I have MSR7b's and I really like the Audio Technica signature. They say Elex is like a superior 650. Though I also want to explore planars. I have Tin P1s, and I enjoy their sound presentation too.
Great comparsion! I would recommend the DT880 SE Premium for its much better headband and cushioning. I personally have the 600 Ohm DT990 Premium Limited-Edition Black (from Massdrop) and although the treble is more zingy or sharp depending on who you ask, properly amp/source matched it's very resolving and has an airier presentation, with a wider soundstage and solid bass response none the less. It's no DT1990, but will get you that Beyer sound and pinpoint imaging for less than half the price.
Hej, great video. You might consider putting a legend for the graph since at least I am confused by the red and the several gray lines and their meaning. Also for beginners maybe slightly highlight the area you are talking about in the graph (subbase, base, mids, vocals, etc.) I enjoy your videos!
Nice analysis. I have analyzed 990s and the 880 (both 600 ohms) and I prefer the 990. The 880 are like 990s with a felt in front of the driver. Even the mid range is the same with less decibels but they are more detail and have better soundstage, no doubt the 990 are headphones with which I want to constantly try new music, while the experience with the 880 is monotonous in comparison.
Yeah the 880 has the felt disc over the front of the driver (I think only Beyer with this?), denser foam on the inside of the cup, the same soundhole but with a cap over the back of the driver (where the "semi-open" description comes from). Basically a more heavily damped/neutral version of the DT990.
How is this compared to Fidelio X2's ? These are more like same tier. I'm either gonna go with DT 1990 or settle with one of these X2 or DT 880 600ohm. 600 ohm DT 880 has more positive reviews than any other DT 880 and DT 990.
Are these a good sidegrade if I have HD6XX? I love how those sound but sometimes I want something different, more... trebly and revealing and with better soundstage/imaging without tinkering with EQ. This are rather inexpensive so I consider getting them
@@doodoobutter4406 Also curious because I have a paid with worn out pads and they don't sound anything like what a lot of people describe. Wondering if its worth buying new pads even though I don't use them much as I have dt1990, dt177x and dt770 as well.
There are pads you can buy that alter the tone slightly. I purchased some JMoney lambskin pads back in 2012, but unfortunately they no longer make them. They raised the bass a bit, but not enough to make them "bassheads", and culled a bit of the sibilance at the high end. You can still get replacement pads that sound similar, but they are generally made of fake leather and may, or may not start flaking after a time.
As an owner of both...nah, not really. Although I actually prefer the DT800s (600 Ohm version) as my general use headphones, and really only use the HD800s for very specific use cases (mainly with my A8 Realiser for movies). *I did change the pads on the DT880s though, and AFAIK you can't really do that with the Sennheisers. About to test the waters with the 1990s though. Side note: My original pair of DT880s that I purchased back in 2012 just got retired due to years of accidents with them, and the part of the cable that connects to the ear cup started becoming loose enough that the sound would cut out until I moved it around a bit. Got so annoying that I just decided to box them up and use the second pair I purchased two years ago as a backup. These headphones are so cheap now that there's no reason *not* to grab them if anyone is looking for a really good entry level audiophile headphone. They are one of the best sounding for the price right now. If you're worried about them being too hard to drive, just grab the 250 Ohm version. The sound isn't *that* different.
If i take a look at the DT 880 250 Ohm and 600 Ohm reviews from DIY audio heaven then i notice that the frequency response from the DT 880 250 Ohm version seems better. It has a way better curve than the 600 Ohm version on the trebble part. So i m curious as of why did you choose to review the 600 Ohm instead of the 250 Ohm version of the DT 880. Anyway, very interesting review as always.
@Dex4Sure It would be weird as far as neither the 250 or 600 Ohm are bass oriented headphones. The 1db margin is quite marginal. But as said in my previous comment the mail issue reported from BeyerD headphones is the high trebble response that some people don't like. And the difference between the DT 880 250 and 600 Ohm regarding the trebble part of the frequency is a lot more significative when you compare both headphones frequency response.
Could you review the Yamaha MT5 and MT8 if you'd manage to get your hands on them? I had the MT8 and while I ended up returning it because I found it too bright for music without using extra foam in the pads (also, too many headphones), the imaging was very, very precise, so games, movies and some orchestral music were all quite fun.
I'm considering stepping away from my wireless logitech headphones (best buy warranty was too valuable with how reckless I generally have been to switch till now, break and free new updated warranty and new headphones for years...) I know this is a pretty simple question, but currently as we're about to step into 2021 do you see any clearly better options in the price range of these? I love your detail though it's hard to know what factors really matter to me at this stage of my understanding, so i'd really appreciate your advice if you see this comment. P.S. you've been my go-to guy due to your dedication and thorough detail since I first saw you in that Linus video I love your personality, you seem like an amazing guy.
The over-simplified version: the 990's are open-back, the 880's semi-open (and the 770's are closed). But from there, huge differences abound. One reviewer's opinion: www.head-fi.org/threads/dt880-vs-dt990-comparison-review.526839/
@@PK-xj6qz I've been back and forth with purchasing the 880 and 990. I'm somewhat treble sensitive but I like a GOOD amount of bass. Just clear bass, not crazy. But I also like imaging a lot in my headphones. What would you recommend? From what you described, seems like the 880 is for me but clarity is also important...
Can you suggest an audio interface that can drive this 600 ohm headphone ?.... I'm planning on buying a 600 ohm Beyerdynamic headphone and an Audio interface that can drive these headphones
They got that dry Beyer house sound that I find unengaging. If someone is looking for a low-cost HD800 with lower technicalities go for the HD598 or maybe one of the newer cans in the same line up. I own both and they are quite similar only the HD800 being a lot tighter, clearer and detailed with a larger more precise soundstage. The HD800 has more ear fatigue though and the HD598 beats it hands down when it comes to comfort.
I feel that a lot of people are wrong about the hd800. They are actually pretty good. But they require a very natural amp and source and that you change the cable. Once you do that, the headphone becomes like 5x better. Standard hd800 on a Iphone or similar is just crap. And listening to it with the standard sennheiser amp and standard streamer or CD player is also really crap. I recommend getting a triode tube amplifier and a tube source for these, it totally changes the sound for the better.
@@dannybos7024 I tried it 3 times, the normal cable sounds dead and sterile, and standard cardas cable makes it sound half like an Audeze. (natural) But the biggest difference is using triode 300b tube amps on it and having a proper source like an EAR acute cd player. Standard cable and standard transistor amp and source= big mistake.
@@RealHIFIHelp I'm really sorry, but you're actually delusional if you honestly think that cables make an actual audible difference, let alone notice that. They don't even make a measurable difference. Source, EQ, pads or tubes are the best ways to change a headphone its sound signature.
Im not dms but sweet lord if you can power this beyerdynamic dt 880 anyday of the week hd58x is if you want a less than 200 headphone setup but still an AMAZING one at that dt880 is if you can spend 1000 minimum mean decent dac decent amp
@@yuribezminov2825 Plenty of forums have stated that most sub 100 amps will be able to drive these fine. My $60 FX-AUDIO DAC-X6 is driving it right now.
the byerdynamic own amp which they recommend for driving these HP have 100 ohm output impedance .. wonder if using impedance plugs on my amp helps in driving these 🤔
I notice the trend of Beyerdynamic headphones to have brutal peaks at around 5-6k and 8k to give the listener the false impression that the headphones have amazing treble resolution and presence, that "sparkle" a lot of users speak of. However for people who have had the opportunity to listen to the high end headphones that are 1k or more expensive, good examples are Sennheiser HD800(S), Hifiman Arya/HE1000 or Audeze LCD series, they will know that what Beyerdynamic offers is not true resolution but just boosted dB of these ranges so the listeners can hear them better, also the V shape of the frequency response to further boost the high frequencies cuz the mids tend to compete in loudness with the highs.
I'm calling it now: final scene of the game, Sam is dying, releases baby, baby fights for breath as Sam dies, timefall soaks dying baby, baby grows up and it's ... Sam! Mind blown, Kojima is a genius.
@@dannybos7024 yeah, I'm saving up for the Diana v2, I think that's the logical next step. Unless someone can convince me that the ZMF Verité is a better move
Hello everyone. Could anybody who reads this post please advise me if my Onkyo A9030 home amplifier or a similar type amplifier would power the DT 880 600ohm? This version sounds the better purchase than the 250ohm version but just need to make sure before any purchases are made. Thank you.
DT880 pads are near perfect... for the first 100hrs. Quickly went mush and dirty relatively for velour pads which not only worsen the sound but also causes my ears to touch the insides (comfort went from 9 to 7). The K702 is quite similar but not as severe in degradation with its larger but firmer pads, but the stock headband were atrocious with its annoying bumps and elastics that quickly went loose. Owned the old trios: DT880 (250 ohm) best for reference/monitoring, best imaging (ear placed dead center of driver) HD600 best for music, best tonality and mids K702 best for gaming.. kinda, soundstage is exaggerated If I were to keep one, I'll probably keep the HD600 for a baseline comparison against other headphones.
I have the schiit asgard 3 and modious dac. Will this be enough power for the 600ohms. I think it’s more than enough but on z reviews he made it seem like even the asgard 3 would be enough.
@@reesonnz8467 the asgard 3 has plenty of power at-least to my ears/personal taste. I’m sure if you have more clean power it could even sound better maybe but I think the asgard is plenty. It’s not nearly as compressed feeling or sharp/syblant like when you just plug them into a phone or a weaker portable amp. I feel on the asgard they really open open with better separation/imaging and the harshness is way down. Can still be a bit sharp at times but not all the time and it doesn’t bother me but I like brighter sounding headphones. Do you also have an asgard 3 and contemplating buying the dt 880 600?
Any chance DT880 will run smoothly on FiiO Q5s and JDS Element 2 with reasonable volume? If not, what other portable and desktop setup would you recommend?
i just picked up the SMSL sp200 and i wonder how these will fair on that amp since it has the full 6 watts of power available from the single ended output.
They are. Your phone could probably power them. All that's different is the impedance, the power sensitivity is the same. Just the current and voltage requirements are different sue to the impedance
Could you tell me , if they can play "REALLY" loud? I mean VERY loud, because the dt770, despite the amazing sound, they can't play in really high volume, and although I loved their sound, this was a deal breaker for me, to be able to listen to music only in average volume. Sometimes I love to live in my "own" club-head 😉
No headphone has a volume ceiling. Whatever youre running them off of doesn't have a strong enough amp and you'd need to get an external one. (JDS Labs Atom, Geshelli Labs Archel Pro, Schiit Magni, etc)
@@DatHombre with an AK4493 DAC, a vacuum tube headphone amp (as preamp) and a FiiO E09K as the final amp.... if it's not enough, I guess I'd need a power factory to run them! When I say they can't play loud, I mean without distortion, to the point that they'll get damaged.
But it does require lot of power? My problem that I have is idk if it's bad headphones or my amplifier is archel pro and my dac is a enogpro both of them from geshelli labs.
I just don't get the midrange-comparison; just had a user tell me that the 2C's midrange is recessed and this seems insane. I know people are different and ears are different but the 2C did vocals better than the HD600-series. As I said, I know pinnas etc. but really? DT880 does not have better vocals in comparison, they might be more forward but the clarity and presentation leaves much to be decired IMO. The DT880, once EQ:d, do bass well, vocals good and treble great, I love the sparkle and clarity that these headphones have. Sadly they do sound like crap with crappy recordings, though.
@@bigblueocean Yeah. I keep asking these guys to take a high-level headphone and review/compare less expensive alternatives. So far, nobody's picked up this idea. I bought the K702s because I have read that it's 90%+ close to the HD800. I'd love to see a review that backs this up.
For reference I have the phillips fidelio X2s. I like the wide sound stage. Out of curiosity are there any headphones that would also have that wide sound stage and a powerful sub bass/bass without worsening the rest of the frequencies? Is it possible to get something that can reach those low frequencies and still be open back?
I rlly like the bass in the fidelio X2s it sounds rlly smooth and nice to me i just wish it could hit those real low powerful thumps while like watching a movie
The M1060 is relatively affordable and extends really low. Also Josh Valour just posted a review of the open back M1060C that he raved about that you could check out
DMS have to disagree HD800 are superior and if u can’t bear them it’s cuz ur not using a good setup for them. It’s about synergy, if a headphone doesn’t sound that great one one amp it might sound better on another. HD800’s are very picky so you have to pick ur setup wisely.
I owned hd800 for a while and used them on a few dozen high end amps. Even tried the SDR. I agree they're amp picky but the FR is just straight up unbearable and the sound stage is ridiculously exaggerated
I've watched about 10-15 of your videos, and it's really annoying how you sound so unsure of everything you are saying. How am I supposed to be confident about your video if you obviously aren't?
I'm certainly not unsure about anything i'm saying. I take a lot of time to test and form my opinions before filming. That's the first time in 3 years and 2 million views that anyone has felt that way.
@@SweetDaddo2.0 I tried both of them I consider the 880 natural and a lilbit bright with zero bass and very weak imaging and soundstage. The hd 800 is a V shape sound wider and got more lively sound in eather way i still prefer the k712 and hd 650 over both
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Note: this is ONLY a review of the 600 OHM VERSION! They are all different!
hey dms, not sure if i caught it or not but how would u say these compare with the dt880 pro 250 ohms?
@@moEEYaYoo I didn't enjoy the 250ohm quite as much.. It's not quite as detailed and the FR is slightly different.
@@DMS3TV great thanks !! keep up the reviews they're really enjoyable!
@@DMS3TV Is that from memory or did you have both on hand this time to A/B the 250 Ohm with the 600 Ohm?
had both to A/B but they also measure differently.
Got the 600ohm today, sounds wide to me. It seems not as seperated in the treble compared to a Tesla offering like the 1990, but is still pretty good, and doesnt have the 1990/1770 low mid bump problem. Bass seems very good to me. Reasonably textured and tight. The treble can be slightly peaky on some tracks.
Dt990 wins ?
I dig the cinematography in this man. Great work.
he talked straight into a camera for 10 mins, what cinematography?
Got the 250ohm version for less than 100 Eur on German Amazon at a sale last year. No issues with padding at all with 10+ hour use a day. But the pads get really dirty fast.
Love my DT880. Spot on review. Not a headphone that sounds exciting but it is very clean and precise. Probably the best reference dynamic headphone that can be found under $200. If I want a little more fun sound, I swap the pads with brainwavz xl perforated pads.
It is an excellent headphone in the 250 ohm version. Of course not as impressing as the hd800s but it is really kind of micro hd800s and for 180 euro for the well 250 pro version it is an absolutely amazing headphone.
Yes, the hd600 is more neutral but for me the dt880 is quite analyrical but also fun to listen to.
Wow a TH-cam video that actually fits my screen on Sony Xperia 10
1:57 Do not subject your headphones to rough handling. I tossed my DT770 about 4 feet onto a settee and I caused a slipped magnet in one of the drivers which costs almost as much to replace as buying a new set of headphones.
Bought this based on your recommendation Just got it. Love it. Thanks!
Do you use an amp?
Hey man just letting you know I bought these off your recommendation and you're right on the money. For the longest time I thought I was too treble sensitive to enjoy a beyer but it just turns out I just find the HD 800 to be as painful of an experience as you do, but for some reason the 880 do not bother me really at all, they are right up there with HD 6xx in my rec list, they are exeedingly competent for their price.
Do they complement the 6xx well? I'm looking for something a bit different.
@@TheDodgefan9 Don't do it I take back what I said about the dt880 here, get HD 600 and sell your 6xx then move onto higher end cans if you so wish. Midfi is a hell of bottomless spending for little gain that you should avoid lingering in.
@@bigyeetus2866 Sundara and DT 1990 seem to be the next step up. Suppose I'll have to wait to make such a lofty purchase, at least in my current financial state!
@@TheDodgefan9 Don't get the 1990, it's bad, massive disgusting treble spike that fools everyone into thinking it's detailed with sucked out midrange. Get the sundara if you wish, it's supposedly pretty good, my rec would to try the 600-1200 dollar mark cans like elex or something along those lines.
@@bigyeetus2866 I think I want something less dark than 6XX. I have MSR7b's and I really like the Audio Technica signature. They say Elex is like a superior 650. Though I also want to explore planars. I have Tin P1s, and I enjoy their sound presentation too.
@DMS - What amplifiers did you use with the DT880? Any one stand out?
Beardman56 Z reviews?
th-cam.com/video/JpqnGbP9aTo/w-d-xo.html here's a review for amping the DT880 600 Ohm
I have the, dt880_32ohm, I use teac p50 , and a few cheaper headphones amp. $30.00 sound better, go figure
Great comparsion! I would recommend the DT880 SE Premium for its much better headband and cushioning.
I personally have the 600 Ohm DT990 Premium Limited-Edition Black (from Massdrop) and although the treble is more zingy or sharp depending on who you ask, properly amp/source matched it's very resolving and has an airier presentation, with a wider soundstage and solid bass response none the less. It's no DT1990, but will get you that Beyer sound and pinpoint imaging for less than half the price.
tremot what amp/dac combo do you use with dt990
What amp are you using with it?
Glad someone is doing headphone reviews again
Apt description of DT 880. It is indeed a great headphone for its price.
For classical music DT880 or DT1990PRO ?
Hej, great video. You might consider putting a legend for the graph since at least I am confused by the red and the several gray lines and their meaning. Also for beginners maybe slightly highlight the area you are talking about in the graph (subbase, base, mids, vocals, etc.)
I enjoy your videos!
I agree on pad size, the phones always just ever so slightly touch my ear.
Soundstage?
@@shadouxg7150 think he's just talking about the pad size and how his ears touches either the inside of the cup or the top and bottom of the pads.
Nice analysis. I have analyzed 990s and the 880 (both 600 ohms) and I prefer the 990. The 880 are like 990s with a felt in front of the driver. Even the mid range is the same with less decibels but they are more detail and have better soundstage, no doubt the 990 are headphones with which I want to constantly try new music, while the experience with the 880 is monotonous in comparison.
The dt 990 has more enclosure airflow as well.
Yeah the 880 has the felt disc over the front of the driver (I think only Beyer with this?), denser foam on the inside of the cup, the same soundhole but with a cap over the back of the driver (where the "semi-open" description comes from). Basically a more heavily damped/neutral version of the DT990.
What amp did you use for you 600 ohm dt990?
If you don't use an high voltage amp they can sound boring
@@danieleturrin5625 hi,. how do i know if the amp is high voltage and how high?
Is that a Amiron home box in the background? Any plans to review it? I just got one for 299 which seemed a great deal.
Man great review! I remember you ssid you were going to stop reviews because of abyss. You are not attached now;
i really dont need these but i kind of like the design of beyers and have always wanted the mid fi trio to complete my q701 and hd650 collection
How is this compared to Fidelio X2's ? These are more like same tier. I'm either gonna go with DT 1990 or settle with one of these X2 or DT 880 600ohm.
600 ohm DT 880 has more positive reviews than any other DT 880 and DT 990.
Are these a good sidegrade if I have HD6XX? I love how those sound but sometimes I want something different, more... trebly and revealing and with better soundstage/imaging without tinkering with EQ. This are rather inexpensive so I consider getting them
Beyer velour pads also wear out way too quickly, I put Shure 1540 pads on my DT 770 Pro 80 Ohm after 6 months.
Skumbag Sterlo did that do anything to the sound like bass?
@@doodoobutter4406 Also curious because I have a paid with worn out pads and they don't sound anything like what a lot of people describe. Wondering if its worth buying new pads even though I don't use them much as I have dt1990, dt177x and dt770 as well.
Great pair of cans, using them right now
Great review - I found it a tad bright at times but overall a great headphone.
There are pads you can buy that alter the tone slightly. I purchased some JMoney lambskin pads back in 2012, but unfortunately they no longer make them. They raised the bass a bit, but not enough to make them "bassheads", and culled a bit of the sibilance at the high end. You can still get replacement pads that sound similar, but they are generally made of fake leather and may, or may not start flaking after a time.
As an owner of both...nah, not really. Although I actually prefer the DT800s (600 Ohm version) as my general use headphones, and really only use the HD800s for very specific use cases (mainly with my A8 Realiser for movies). *I did change the pads on the DT880s though, and AFAIK you can't really do that with the Sennheisers.
About to test the waters with the 1990s though.
Side note: My original pair of DT880s that I purchased back in 2012 just got retired due to years of accidents with them, and the part of the cable that connects to the ear cup started becoming loose enough that the sound would cut out until I moved it around a bit. Got so annoying that I just decided to box them up and use the second pair I purchased two years ago as a backup. These headphones are so cheap now that there's no reason *not* to grab them if anyone is looking for a really good entry level audiophile headphone. They are one of the best sounding for the price right now. If you're worried about them being too hard to drive, just grab the 250 Ohm version. The sound isn't *that* different.
DMS you should review some of the budget headphones like under 100 dollars.
Definitely going to
I am waiting for your thoughts on ATH-r70x. I own them and I love them :P
That one is definitely coming soon
If i take a look at the DT 880 250 Ohm and 600 Ohm reviews from DIY audio heaven then i notice that the frequency response from the DT 880 250 Ohm version seems better. It has a way better curve than the 600 Ohm version on the trebble part.
So i m curious as of why did you choose to review the 600 Ohm instead of the 250 Ohm version of the DT 880.
Anyway, very interesting review as always.
@Dex4Sure It would be weird as far as neither the 250 or 600 Ohm are bass oriented headphones. The 1db margin is quite marginal.
But as said in my previous comment the mail issue reported from BeyerD headphones is the high trebble response that some people don't like.
And the difference between the DT 880 250 and 600 Ohm regarding the trebble part of the frequency is a lot more significative when you compare both headphones frequency response.
@@GolgothFR 600 ohm drivers are so good with right amps, like them equal to my 2000$ headphones
Great job my man!
Hmm. It's caught my eye. I was looking at the T60rp for a balanced but fun sounding headphone.
Another balanced one coming in a few videos that’s even better.
That cable is the deal-breaker and why I stick to the 250 Ohm Pro model.
Could you review the Yamaha MT5 and MT8 if you'd manage to get your hands on them?
I had the MT8 and while I ended up returning it because I found it too bright for music without using extra foam in the pads (also, too many headphones), the imaging was very, very precise, so games, movies and some orchestral music were all quite fun.
I'm planning to buy yamaha hph mt 5.
Please also do a video of these vs 1990 pro
I'm considering stepping away from my wireless logitech headphones (best buy warranty was too valuable with how reckless I generally have been to switch till now, break and free new updated warranty and new headphones for years...) I know this is a pretty simple question, but currently as we're about to step into 2021 do you see any clearly better options in the price range of these? I love your detail though it's hard to know what factors really matter to me at this stage of my understanding, so i'd really appreciate your advice if you see this comment.
P.S. you've been my go-to guy due to your dedication and thorough detail since I first saw you in that Linus video I love your personality, you seem like an amazing guy.
Any reccomendations of a relatively affordable setup for this?
Oh dang, is that a Perception 220 or 420? I use the tube version of that mic (820) and I like it a lot.
DT880 vs DT990, what are the diffrances.
The over-simplified version: the 990's are open-back, the 880's semi-open (and the 770's are closed). But from there, huge differences abound.
One reviewer's opinion: www.head-fi.org/threads/dt880-vs-dt990-comparison-review.526839/
DT 990 is heavily V-shaped (which is kind of interesting from an open back), the DT 880 is more reference like. DT 990 treble can be razor sharp.
@@PK-xj6qz Very good comparison, having had all three models, I totally agree.
@@PK-xj6qz I've been back and forth with purchasing the 880 and 990. I'm somewhat treble sensitive but I like a GOOD amount of bass. Just clear bass, not crazy. But I also like imaging a lot in my headphones. What would you recommend? From what you described, seems like the 880 is for me but clarity is also important...
@@PK-xj6qz I actually have the 660 S, funny enough lol
Make a video on the best headphones on diffrent price range
Can you suggest an audio interface that can drive this 600 ohm headphone ?.... I'm planning on buying a 600 ohm Beyerdynamic headphone and an Audio interface that can drive these headphones
Emotiva A100
Do you have any experience of the Ultrasone signature series ? if so, are they any good ?
How does this stack up against the 58x jubilee? do they have a place together or do they directly compete? :)
A significant step up from a m560? or a parallel step?
What model Rotel amp is that? I have the RSX-1550.
Hello. Has anybody have any ideas if there is a difference between the 250 and the 600 ohm version please?
They got that dry Beyer house sound that I find unengaging. If someone is looking for a low-cost HD800 with lower technicalities go for the HD598 or maybe one of the newer cans in the same line up. I own both and they are quite similar only the HD800 being a lot tighter, clearer and detailed with a larger more precise soundstage. The HD800 has more ear fatigue though and the HD598 beats it hands down when it comes to comfort.
Interested! Mate have you tried these on a monster amp like in the Zeos review?
Yeah. Mine have speaker terminals on them. I told him to get a pair lol.
I feel that a lot of people are wrong about the hd800. They are actually pretty good. But they require a very natural amp and source and that you change the cable. Once you do that, the headphone becomes like 5x better. Standard hd800 on a Iphone or similar is just crap. And listening to it with the standard sennheiser amp and standard streamer or CD player is also really crap.
I recommend getting a triode tube amplifier and a tube source for these, it totally changes the sound for the better.
I really hope you're joking about the cable.
@@dannybos7024 I tried it 3 times, the normal cable sounds dead and sterile, and standard cardas cable makes it sound half like an Audeze. (natural)
But the biggest difference is using triode 300b tube amps on it and having a proper source like an EAR acute cd player.
Standard cable and standard transistor amp and source= big mistake.
@@RealHIFIHelp I'm really sorry, but you're actually delusional if you honestly think that cables make an actual audible difference, let alone notice that. They don't even make a measurable difference.
Source, EQ, pads or tubes are the best ways to change a headphone its sound signature.
@@dannybos7024 Good luck with that type of sound.
@@RealHIFIHelp I beg your pardon?
What are the sound differencies Sennheiser drop 58x jubilee compared Beyerdynamic dt 880 600 ohm? Which one you prefer?
Im not dms but sweet lord if you can power this beyerdynamic dt 880 anyday of the week hd58x is if you want a less than 200 headphone setup but still an AMAZING one at that
dt880 is if you can spend 1000 minimum mean decent dac decent amp
Hey DMS should i buy beyerdynamic T 90 for 100 dollars?
Thank you for the video. Can a Schiit Vali-2 adequately drive these headphones? At 600 Ohms, the Vali's max power is 140 mW RMS per channel
Absolutely not go to zeo's channel and watch that but no it can not get near powering this
@@yuribezminov2825 Plenty of forums have stated that most sub 100 amps will be able to drive these fine. My $60 FX-AUDIO DAC-X6 is driving it right now.
@@uninja7650 I have the same amp, it drives it but i feel like the cans would benefit from a better amp.
the byerdynamic own amp which they recommend for driving these HP have 100 ohm output impedance ..
wonder if using impedance plugs on my amp helps in driving these 🤔
mine are modded with balanced cable so its easier for me to drive them, sound is really pro
I notice the trend of Beyerdynamic headphones to have brutal peaks at around 5-6k and 8k to give the listener the false impression that the headphones have amazing treble resolution and presence, that "sparkle" a lot of users speak of. However for people who have had the opportunity to listen to the high end headphones that are 1k or more expensive, good examples are Sennheiser HD800(S), Hifiman Arya/HE1000 or Audeze LCD series, they will know that what Beyerdynamic offers is not true resolution but just boosted dB of these ranges so the listeners can hear them better, also the V shape of the frequency response to further boost the high frequencies cuz the mids tend to compete in loudness with the highs.
I'm calling it now: final scene of the game, Sam is dying, releases baby, baby fights for breath as Sam dies, timefall soaks dying baby, baby grows up and it's ... Sam! Mind blown, Kojima is a genius.
death stranding looks pretty wacky
I have the Focal Elex and the HD660s, are these a worthwhile addition to a collection or are they not going to offer much new?
I'd personally look for a nice planar to add to your collection.
@@dannybos7024 yeah, I'm saving up for the Diana v2, I think that's the logical next step. Unless someone can convince me that the ZMF Verité is a better move
@@corbinchristensen1555 I'd go with ZMF.
And vs hd600?
SO this or the DT1990?
Hello everyone. Could anybody who reads this post please advise me if my Onkyo A9030 home amplifier or a similar type amplifier would power the DT 880 600ohm? This version sounds the better purchase than the 250ohm version but just need to make sure before any purchases are made. Thank you.
DT880 pads are near perfect... for the first 100hrs. Quickly went mush and dirty relatively for velour pads which not only worsen the sound but also causes my ears to touch the insides (comfort went from 9 to 7). The K702 is quite similar but not as severe in degradation with its larger but firmer pads, but the stock headband were atrocious with its annoying bumps and elastics that quickly went loose.
Owned the old trios:
DT880 (250 ohm) best for reference/monitoring, best imaging (ear placed dead center of driver)
HD600 best for music, best tonality and mids
K702 best for gaming.. kinda, soundstage is exaggerated
If I were to keep one, I'll probably keep the HD600 for a baseline comparison against other headphones.
Is this similar to Grado 325? If you have both, which do you like better?
Smaller treble spikes than the 325 and better built.
I have the schiit asgard 3 and modious dac. Will this be enough power for the 600ohms. I think it’s more than enough but on z reviews he made it seem like even the asgard 3 would be enough.
yo! did you figure out if they were enough? Maximum Power, 600 ohms: 300mW RMS per channel right?
@@reesonnz8467 the asgard 3 has plenty of power at-least to my ears/personal taste. I’m sure if you have more clean power it could even sound better maybe but I think the asgard is plenty. It’s not nearly as compressed feeling or sharp/syblant like when you just plug them into a phone or a weaker portable amp. I feel on the asgard they really open open with better separation/imaging and the harshness is way down. Can still be a bit sharp at times but not all the time and it doesn’t bother me but I like brighter sounding headphones. Do you also have an asgard 3 and contemplating buying the dt 880 600?
Do you have any knowledge on Phonon SMB-02 ?
Why does your name always switch between different three letters
It's always the same??? DMS
How does the 770 (250 ohm) compare?
I need your opinion about IFI nano BL with HD650+ 990pro does it worth buing the IFI dac ???
For the price of the Ifi you could get a JDS Atom, and Khadas Toneboard. Much, much better value.
Any chance DT880 will run smoothly on FiiO Q5s and JDS Element 2 with reasonable volume? If not, what other portable and desktop setup would you recommend?
Tonezou absolutely not
@@hadiffnazhan862 I see. At least the Element 2? Specifications include 600 ohms, it might be my mistake though.
Tonezou yeah its close to impossible to drive, even the thx 789 cant drive those. You need something close to a speaker amp
@@tonezou3918 ok, hear me out. DT880 600Ohm + BasX-A100
or you mod them to make them balanced
My cable died on me, I need to detachable mod it.
thanks for the insight
i just picked up the SMSL sp200 and i wonder how these will fair on that amp since it has the full 6 watts of power available from the single ended output.
You won't have an issue. Topping A90 single ended has far less power and on high gain I'm only between 10-1 o'clock on the volume.
6 WATTS through 600ohm? That's pretty overkill, but then again what is this hobby anyway hahaha
@@Jacksirrom not 6w at 600ohm lucky get get half a watt
What good is a set of reasonably priced, excellent headphones if you don't have or can't afford an amp to push them?
ath-50x
beyer tygr
Is this better set than T1 (ver.2) ?
I'm guessing a schiit magni 3 wouldn't be sufficient to power these?
They are. Your phone could probably power them.
All that's different is the impedance, the power sensitivity is the same. Just the current and voltage requirements are different sue to the impedance
DMS, what headphones have a sound signature the most similar to Vandersteen. Elex?
Spot on
Would this be a good headphone to contrast to the HD 650 on tubes?
what do you mean?
They definitely sound great on tubes (littledot Mkiii OTL in my case), preferable to SS IMO.
why is there so much static in the intro?
how are the dt880 250 ohm for gaming i just got them used for 100 bucks i hope im not going to regret it.
They're good.
Could you tell me , if they can play "REALLY" loud? I mean VERY loud, because the dt770, despite the amazing sound, they can't play in really high volume, and although I loved their sound, this was a deal breaker for me, to be able to listen to music only in average volume. Sometimes I love to live in my "own" club-head 😉
No headphone has a volume ceiling. Whatever youre running them off of doesn't have a strong enough amp and you'd need to get an external one. (JDS Labs Atom, Geshelli Labs Archel Pro, Schiit Magni, etc)
But also with that said, you shouldn't be listening to audio "VERY LOUD" unless you want your hearing to go to shit by 40.
@@DatHombre with an AK4493 DAC, a vacuum tube headphone amp (as preamp) and a FiiO E09K as the final amp.... if it's not enough, I guess I'd need a power factory to run them! When I say they can't play loud, I mean without distortion, to the point that they'll get damaged.
@@DatHombre I'm in 50's DJing for many years and my hearing is more then excellent! Occasionally I like it LOUD.
But it does require lot of power? My problem that I have is idk if it's bad headphones or my amplifier is archel pro and my dac is a enogpro both of them from geshelli labs.
What headphones? I have your same setup and love it. The Archel Pro is also very powerful and would have no problem driving these
@@DatHombreI solve the problem and the headphones that I got is the DT880 600ohm.
Very impressive on LG quad dac
i dont know which one to get
DT990 or DT880 (32ohm)
i want it for music - game - movies ( i rather natural sound )
DT880 all the way.
Neither sound natural
hello, can someone recommend me witch headphones shoud i buy the DT-990 Premium (600ohm) or the DT 880 Premium (600ohm)?
What info are you looking for that isn’t in the video?
The 990 have more bass basically
Please review the AMIRON HOME!!!
I just don't get the midrange-comparison; just had a user tell me that the 2C's midrange is recessed and this seems insane. I know people are different and ears are different but the 2C did vocals better than the HD600-series. As I said, I know pinnas etc. but really? DT880 does not have better vocals in comparison, they might be more forward but the clarity and presentation leaves much to be decired IMO. The DT880, once EQ:d, do bass well, vocals good and treble great, I love the sparkle and clarity that these headphones have. Sadly they do sound like crap with crappy recordings, though.
DT880 600Ω (200€) or K712 Pro (255€)? For hi-fi/music listening.
880
hi, this or the mmx300??
What about the AKG K702? Close?
That would be good to know. :)
@@bigblueocean I have a set of the AKGs and they're terrific.
@@fuffy442 I do too.... But I'm looking for more if that makes sense without spending sennheiser hd650 money
@@bigblueocean Yeah. I keep asking these guys to take a high-level headphone and review/compare less expensive alternatives. So far, nobody's picked up this idea. I bought the K702s because I have read that it's 90%+ close to the HD800. I'd love to see a review that backs this up.
These vs Sundara?
Sundara
these will last you longer than a sundara which will somehow break down after 3 years.
Can my Schiit Heresy power these headphones ?Thanks
You'll get volume out of it, but I'd say to save up for something more powerful.
Good review, but its like comparing nissan z to gtr...yeah...nah. hd800 is on a different level
The difference being HD800 is an objectively worse headphone.
No because the DT880 600 Ω distorts like crazy in the low frequencies. HD800 is ultra clean but still has that treble peak.
your amp must be useless, mine never distort and its super clean very technical sound
too bad sweetwater has the price all jacked up on these. I'd get a pair.
Thanks!
For reference I have the phillips fidelio X2s. I like the wide sound stage.
Out of curiosity are there any headphones that would also have that wide sound stage and a powerful sub bass/bass without worsening the rest of the frequencies? Is it possible to get something that can reach those low frequencies and still be open back?
I rlly like the bass in the fidelio X2s it sounds rlly smooth and nice to me i just wish it could hit those real low powerful thumps while like watching a movie
The M1060 is relatively affordable and extends really low. Also Josh Valour just posted a review of the open back M1060C that he raved about that you could check out
It Is an 1000 dollar headphone
on good source yea it easily can be compared to some 1000$ headphones
No, they are not. lol
Exactly. Because they are actually bearable.
DMS have to disagree HD800 are superior and if u can’t bear them it’s cuz ur not using a good setup for them. It’s about synergy, if a headphone doesn’t sound that great one one amp it might sound better on another. HD800’s are very picky so you have to pick ur setup wisely.
I owned hd800 for a while and used them on a few dozen high end amps. Even tried the SDR. I agree they're amp picky but the FR is just straight up unbearable and the sound stage is ridiculously exaggerated
ahhh E2k
I've watched about 10-15 of your videos, and it's really annoying how you sound so unsure of everything you are saying. How am I supposed to be confident about your video if you obviously aren't?
I'm certainly not unsure about anything i'm saying. I take a lot of time to test and form my opinions before filming. That's the first time in 3 years and 2 million views that anyone has felt that way.
No way dt 880 is similar to the hd 800
Btw i don't recommend any of them
Why?
FR-wise they’re pretty close
@@SweetDaddo2.0
I tried both of them
I consider the 880 natural and a lilbit bright with zero bass and very weak imaging and soundstage.
The hd 800 is a V shape sound wider and got more lively sound in eather way i still prefer the k712 and hd 650 over both
@@davidmason8212 Thank u for elaborating.
@@davidmason8212 hd 800, v-shaped... not heard that one before