The Ybor city design looks way more fitting for a translucent roof, and it would be in the heart of tampa and boost attendance. The lightning are the hockey team in TAMPA (not st pete) and they have some of the highest attendance in the nhl, beating out extremely larger markets like New York.
Drop the subject. Sternberg has consistently demanded the public pay at least half the cost of a new stadium, and the people of Tampa and Hillsborough Co. are unwilling.
@GeraldM_inNC St. Pete also doesn't want to pay at least 700 million for a new stadium. The rays are always so cheap, and they put themselves here because the St. Pete lawmakers dont want to lose the rays, so they take their time. The stadium won't even start until 2025, and if the plan doesn't go through, they are probably moving.
I think the Rays just enjoy torturing architects and design firms haha. But I think this stadium design looks amazing. If the Rays don't go for it, I hope other teams might pick it up.
Translucent or not would not impact the structural integrity of the building. There would be accommodating support structures regardless. It is more likely due to players having to look up and there is more of a potential for a ball to get lost in that type of translucent ceiling.
@@ArizonaHotSauce You may be right. I know the Hurricanes of Florida affect the building designs out there. I’m sure there are ways to make the roofs structurally sound You make a good point, though
@@nramirez314 Maybe but it would be cost prohibitive and using a translucent roof would just add more to the cost. It would be cheaper to go retractable.
The Pyamid Pavillion really screams Florida and is a great homage to the old St Pete Pyamid Pier. I think it will do well, and with the growth of St Pete and the development of express lanes from Tampa into St Pete in the next 10 years it should do very good.
I saw a Rays game last week, I was in one of the suites. I have been to 15 to 20 pro stadiums over the last 40 years. Tied with the Patriots old Sullivan stadium for the worst venue.
I really like this channel, but you are WAY too negative. This is an AWESOME looking stadium. You constantly complain about how most of these stadiums all look the same, but this is different. It's clean, and looks intimate, which is perfect for a team that can't get a decent crowd to attend their games. Where is all the interest for baseball in Florida? While 30K is small, at least you won't see as many empty seats for each game.
It looks pretty...but basic. Like a really nice domed stadium from the 90s. For some reason, I get the vibe that if San Antonio had an MLB team, this is the type of stadium they would've built for them back in 1998.
Relocating the Rays to Montreal where the natural rivalry with the AL East Division Blue Jays would draw enormous crowds was too common sense for Rob Manfred to promote.
1st black mayor in St Petersburg ever, Ken Welch, which means this deal is happening, promoted as redevelopment of a black neighborhood that was displaced during Trop build, this is mayor's signature accomplishment, he spent 20 years on Pinellas county commission before becoming mayor, loads of connections, guaranteed to pass in July
I’d be at peace with how gross that new stadium design is if they moved it to the Ybor city location right outside of Tampa. If this team wants long term success at the box office, that’s where they need to move to. St Pete is just trash.
Putting a new stadium in St. Pete again makes absolutely no sense. In fact, putting a new baseball park in Florida may not be a good idea either. I wouldn't want to finance this. There are 12 MLB teams whose average attendance is greater than the capacity of this proposed ballpark and 2 of them are in the Ray's division. This ballpark makes no sense.
Stadium looks good - no retractable roof needed. Looks like most of the proposed district surrounding the ballpark will be office / retail, so where are all the new fans coming from, and what % of citizens who live in any new residential areas near the ballpark are going to be Rays season ticket holders? I can't see many Rays fans from Tampa saying hey honey, let's move to St. Pete so we can go to more Rays games - I'll make the nasty commute to and from Tampa for work every day...
As much as the Rays need a new stadium, 1.3 billion for one is insane. I mean, this is a team that doesn't have a big fanbase, doesnt sell to the crowds their market SHOULD appeal to (Tampa is a big sports area and FL in general is home to one of baseballs biggest demographics, older people), and doesnt maintain its stars to give some kind of appeal on a national basis. This is a terrible investment, but I do hope it works out well for them. The Rays always put out a watchable product and average to above average teams
@@sirchi8731 The fortunate thing about Florida is that they can tax tourists instead of the locals via hotel taxes and other touristy areas. It's a proven model, but still is a hit to tax payers. The thing though and what makes it pass is that it's not to the tax payers who sign off on it.
@@sirchi8731 The Rays principle owner is not a billionaire. He owns roughly 48% of the Rays. One other owns 15% and then a bunch of partners own the remaining 37%. It's a complicated bunch.
@@ArizonaHotSauce The team it self if worth billions they can go get a private loan like the Giants did to build Oracle and the price of construction in SF Bay area is 10X that of Florida. Giants didn't get one single cent from the City or the State. They took out a 20 Year loan at 25 Mill Per, paid for the rest with PSL and naming rights, Pac Bell originally paid around 50 Million for 10 years. Rays can do the same. Stop crying poor for these owners. Using tax payer money for these things is absurd when schools are cutting lunches, music programs and other activities for kids, but they can come up with millions for sports teams.
As a Clearwater resident st pete is the right move yes tampa is more central located for all around the bay but i tell ya what st pete is blowing tf up there downtown footprint id say is way more nright for the future.
@@andrebailey6676 The Trop is due for a replacement, but it's not terrible. It's actually gotten better over time with each renovation over the last 25 years.
@@andrebailey6676 Besides the location, the Trops problem was it was an obsolete design by the time they got a franchise. Baseball fans would look back at it more fondly if it were built in the late 70s and replaced in the mid 00s. But what they’ve done with the video boards, putting a bar in the outfield, and making the walk way go all the way around the dome (you used to have to go back out in the concourse to make a full loop), has made the Trop the best version of itself. But it’s past due to be replaced.
"IF" they build a new place for the Rays nobody will go unless the Yankees, Phillies, Sox. or Mets are playing them. It will be just like the Marlins ballpark when you hear the air conditioning running during the game.
I didn't like this design when I first saw it, but it's really growing on me. I hope St. Pete will support the Rays longer than 5 years after it's built.
1.3 billion? Maybe they should invest that in a team. A major league team that is. Edit: did you say expand? We have about 7 total in attendance and they are worried about more room?
The problem is the location, not what it will look like or the features around the stadium. People don’t want to have to cross the bridges and fight the traffic both ways. Should have worked out something in Tampa near Channelside.
I mean the Giants and Jets play in East Rutherford NJ which actually further away than it is from NYC, than it is from Tampa to St Pete. And the 49ers play in Santa Clara which is nearly an hour away from San Francisco. At least the rays actually play in the Tampa Bay area.
@@RhinoXpress but it’s different in football. You only have 8-9 home games a year and games are once a week. For baseball, it’s 81 home games and there are like 6 games a week
@@jtfritz9169 it's not that far it's only a 26 minute drive from Tampa. People will talk about low attendance is due to location, but that's not the issue, it's a Florida in general issue. Loan depot park is in Miami and it still has attendance problems. Florida isn't an ideal place for an MLB team.
It’s the suburban and lazy people that complaining about the location. We have it easier than many MLB markets when it comes to traffic and location. St. Pete isn’t the boondocks it’s the most urban spot in the Tampa Bay Area
I like the idea & the lower cost of this project. The size is fine for all the reasons you stated. TB's issue is location. Navigating TB vs St. Pete is such an interesting problem.
The rays don’t deserve a new stadium. Until rays fans start selling out the trop I see no reason to use tax payer money to build a new stadium. Especially since baseball doesn’t seem too popular in Florida
Not one of these stadiums have upper bowl seats that are close to the field. Why not build a modern day Ebbets Field if you want a low capacity seating? 1 bil. for a 30k seating, GTF ATTA HERE!
Tampa people are jealous of St Pete, downtown st pete ,the pier ,central ave are so much better than downtown Tampa and the riverwalk, water st and sparkman Wharf major overrated, why is Armature Works in middle of nowhere, should be much close to Arena
@@Hernando12 St. Petersburg is away from the main population center in the area. A new stadium needs to be near Tampa is it has any chance of succeeding long term. I give it five years until the attendance is no better than it is today at the Trop.
@@Hernando12 that wouldn't be possible. No MLB team would be allowed to only have weekend home games. I believe the problems will persist as long as the Rays remain in St. Petersburg.
St. Pete residents aren't voting on this. The city council will and since the tax money will be a tourist tax, then the locals wont have to pay much into it.
I got a slightly better idea the Rays should play at George M. Steinbrenner Field. It's near Raymond James stadium and it's smaller so they can easily sell out.
Well, Steinbrenner field capacity is around 11k and even for the rays that is small. Yesterday 1pm game was little over 15k, a lot of weekend games seems to be around 20k. Not to mention a minor league team plays there
Some video ideas: "What if the Twin Towers had translucent roofs?" "What if 9/11 happened during a total solar eeclipse?" "Best stadiums that never happened" "Stadiums in Turkmenistan"
Ybor would be a terrible location. That area where they wanted to build is hard to get too and will require a hike from parking. The two best locations in Hillsborough are next to RayJay or at the fairgrounds off I-4. No one down here liked the goofy Ybor dome proposal. It did not fit with Ybor’s aesthetic and the Rays inability to design something that fit with Ybor’s historic look is what killed any hope they had there. Also the Lightning did not want to share the downtown area. The Bucs do not want a next door neighbor. That leaves the fairgrounds, which are a much worse location.
Give it five years, and attendance will be no better than it is currently. Baseball doesn't work in Florida and St. Petersburg is the worst area in the Tampa Bay region for a sports stadium. This will fail.
Tbf to the state, that's on the Marlins and Rays. These are teams that do their best to drive fans away. I mean, in the last 15 years the one star each "tried to retain" was traded to the Yankees and the FBI within 16 months of the deals. They're terrible ownership groups who try to skimp to make money, instead of take a Steinbrenner kinda approach to build with stars who basically market themselves to baseball fans
@@michaelleroy9281 As a Rays fan, I’d rather see teams relocate to Nashville or SLC. Charlotte or Portland, too. I don’t think the league is ready for an expansion. Wait until they have the current 30 teams in markets that can support them.
@@michaelleroy9281 both the Lightning & Panthers have good teams right now, the Rays & the Marlins both made the MLB playoffs in 2023, they couldn't draw.
Wow, that looks awesome. I want to retire to St. Pete and go to games there everyday.
How much time you got left working?
Might want to rethink that. It’s a gh3too
The Ybor city design looks way more fitting for a translucent roof, and it would be in the heart of tampa and boost attendance. The lightning are the hockey team in TAMPA (not st pete) and they have some of the highest attendance in the nhl, beating out extremely larger markets like New York.
Exactly…. Rays will never succeed in St Pete….. Lightning are the lightning bc of location as well.
Drop the subject. Sternberg has consistently demanded the public pay at least half the cost of a new stadium, and the people of Tampa and Hillsborough Co. are unwilling.
@GeraldM_inNC St. Pete also doesn't want to pay at least 700 million for a new stadium. The rays are always so cheap, and they put themselves here because the St. Pete lawmakers dont want to lose the rays, so they take their time. The stadium won't even start until 2025, and if the plan doesn't go through, they are probably moving.
@@austinsandel I have my doubts that St Pete's share can be raised through a tourism tax. St. Pete isn't Las Vegas.
I think the Rays just enjoy torturing architects and design firms haha. But I think this stadium design looks amazing. If the Rays don't go for it, I hope other teams might pick it up.
The reason for no translucent roof is because the Florida hurricanes would constantly damage the roof. 🌀 That’s my theory
good point
Translucent or not would not impact the structural integrity of the building. There would be accommodating support structures regardless. It is more likely due to players having to look up and there is more of a potential for a ball to get lost in that type of translucent ceiling.
@@ArizonaHotSauce
You may be right.
I know the Hurricanes of Florida affect the building designs out there.
I’m sure there are ways to make the roofs structurally sound
You make a good point, though
@@nramirez314 Maybe but it would be cost prohibitive and using a translucent roof would just add more to the cost. It would be cheaper to go retractable.
True that
I think it's creative. It doesn't look like any other stadium so I like it.
Its not creative
All these future stadiums this uploader analyzes - most of them will never be built.
He has a problem with large upper decks and small upper decks
I've been to the rays home stadium tropicana field and its not as bad as i thought it would be.
Looks like a 1980's mall food court.
The Pyamid Pavillion really screams Florida and is a great homage to the old St Pete Pyamid Pier.
I think it will do well, and with the growth of St Pete and the development of express lanes from Tampa into St Pete in the next 10 years it should do very good.
Honestly, this rendering is way better than Tropicana Field!
At first I hated this rendering but now I kinda like it !
I can tell you who is not deliberating anymore 😅
I saw a Rays game last week, I was in one of the suites. I have been to 15 to 20 pro stadiums over the last 40 years. Tied with the Patriots old Sullivan stadium for the worst venue.
I really like this channel, but you are WAY too negative.
This is an AWESOME looking stadium. You constantly complain about how most of these stadiums all look the same, but this is different. It's clean, and looks intimate, which is perfect for a team that can't get a decent crowd to attend their games. Where is all the interest for baseball in Florida? While 30K is small, at least you won't see as many empty seats for each game.
It looks pretty...but basic. Like a really nice domed stadium from the 90s. For some reason, I get the vibe that if San Antonio had an MLB team, this is the type of stadium they would've built for them back in 1998.
Relocating the Rays to Montreal where the natural rivalry with the AL East Division Blue Jays would draw enormous crowds was too common sense for Rob Manfred to promote.
1st black mayor in St Petersburg ever, Ken Welch, which means this deal is happening, promoted as redevelopment of a black neighborhood that was displaced during Trop build, this is mayor's signature accomplishment, he spent 20 years on Pinellas county commission before becoming mayor, loads of connections, guaranteed to pass in July
Another Tampa/St Pete airline hangar for 12,000 fans to watch the Rays. $1.3B to maintain the status quo......
Looks decent!
I like that inside the stadium the upper deck wall is actually like sting ray gills. That's a nice touch
I’d be at peace with how gross that new stadium design is if they moved it to the Ybor city location right outside of Tampa. If this team wants long term success at the box office, that’s where they need to move to. St Pete is just trash.
Putting a new stadium in St. Pete again makes absolutely no sense. In fact, putting a new baseball park in Florida may not be a good idea either. I wouldn't want to finance this. There are 12 MLB teams whose average attendance is greater than the capacity of this proposed ballpark and 2 of them are in the Ray's division. This ballpark makes no sense.
I think this stadium is beautiful and I hope it gets built
I actually think this looks really cool. Everything you said was bad I actually like
Stadium looks good - no retractable roof needed. Looks like most of the proposed district surrounding the ballpark will be office / retail, so where are all the new fans coming from, and what % of citizens who live in any new residential areas near the ballpark are going to be Rays season ticket holders? I can't see many Rays fans from Tampa saying hey honey, let's move to St. Pete so we can go to more Rays games - I'll make the nasty commute to and from Tampa for work every day...
1: no it doesn’t ; priority housing to gas district
At 30,000 capacity, why bother?
Word in Vegas is there’s going to be big news about the As stadium next week!
As much as the Rays need a new stadium, 1.3 billion for one is insane.
I mean, this is a team that doesn't have a big fanbase, doesnt sell to the crowds their market SHOULD appeal to (Tampa is a big sports area and FL in general is home to one of baseballs biggest demographics, older people), and doesnt maintain its stars to give some kind of appeal on a national basis.
This is a terrible investment, but I do hope it works out well for them. The Rays always put out a watchable product and average to above average teams
Either way. Cough up the tax dollars
@@sirchi8731 The fortunate thing about Florida is that they can tax tourists instead of the locals via hotel taxes and other touristy areas. It's a proven model, but still is a hit to tax payers. The thing though and what makes it pass is that it's not to the tax payers who sign off on it.
@@ArizonaHotSauce either way these billionaires no matter what will demand subsidies. So it's up to Tampa/St.Petersberg if they want sports or not
@@sirchi8731 The Rays principle owner is not a billionaire. He owns roughly 48% of the Rays. One other owns 15% and then a bunch of partners own the remaining 37%. It's a complicated bunch.
@@ArizonaHotSauce The team it self if worth billions they can go get a private loan like the Giants did to build Oracle and the price of construction in SF Bay area is 10X that of Florida. Giants didn't get one single cent from the City or the State. They took out a 20 Year loan at 25 Mill Per, paid for the rest with PSL and naming rights, Pac Bell originally paid around 50 Million for 10 years. Rays can do the same. Stop crying poor for these owners. Using tax payer money for these things is absurd when schools are cutting lunches, music programs and other activities for kids, but they can come up with millions for sports teams.
Wish they would move to downtown Tampa.
So does everyone else. St. Pete has the tax money. Tampa does not.
Rays do need a new stadium
Trop is awesome
A normal upper deck is ridiculously large. A small upper deck is ridiculously small. I give up on you
Would the dimensions be pitcher or hitter friendly or neutral ?
As a Clearwater resident st pete is the right move yes tampa is more central located for all around the bay but i tell ya what st pete is blowing tf up there downtown footprint id say is way more nright for the future.
I mean sounds about right. why build a 40k stadium when you can only fill in on avg of 15k. 30k to 40k is the new avg for modern MLB baseball parks.
30000 would be about right for the Rays considering their fans don’t support them.
Probably because Tropicana is garbage
@@andrebailey6676Traffic and location are the main reasons.
@@andrebailey6676 The Trop is due for a replacement, but it's not terrible. It's actually gotten better over time with each renovation over the last 25 years.
@@91_C4_FL it really hasn't because if you did they wouldn't have needed a new stadium
@@andrebailey6676 Besides the location, the Trops problem was it was an obsolete design by the time they got a franchise. Baseball fans would look back at it more fondly if it were built in the late 70s and replaced in the mid 00s. But what they’ve done with the video boards, putting a bar in the outfield, and making the walk way go all the way around the dome (you used to have to go back out in the concourse to make a full loop), has made the Trop the best version of itself. But it’s past due to be replaced.
"IF" they build a new place for the Rays nobody will go unless the Yankees, Phillies, Sox. or Mets are playing them. It will be just like the Marlins ballpark when you hear the air conditioning running during the game.
It looks Great too me
I like it
The refusal to move out of St. Petersburg to across the bay is what is killing the Rays
Move the team to Nashville and the ass-leticcs somewhere - anywhere - but the coliseum.
You'd have to be crazy to keep dumping money into this franchise
Looks like a circus tent
The Rays would be moving from one circus tent into another.
I didn't like this design when I first saw it, but it's really growing on me. I hope St. Pete will support the Rays longer than 5 years after it's built.
Trust me ur instinct
9:07 That's not a translucent roof shown....
This is such a bad idea! It’s still going to be in the same hella difficult part of town to get to.
Would it make sense to put the ballpark in Tampa? Anybody?
This rendering of the new rays stadium is boring and not impressive
1.3 billion? Maybe they should invest that in a team. A major league team that is. Edit: did you say expand? We have about 7 total in attendance and they are worried about more room?
They’re called the “Rays” as in “sun rays” for a reason. Get some more light in there. Or make the roof retractable. This is just Tropicana Field 2.0
They're called the Rays after the sea animal
No it’s the sun rays but it can be both
No retractable roofs for baseball in FL. It would be a waste of money.
The name means both the sun's rays and the sea animal.
@@TuxEarth That’s dumb. It should only be the animal.
The problem is the location, not what it will look like or the features around the stadium. People don’t want to have to cross the bridges and fight the traffic both ways. Should have worked out something in Tampa near Channelside.
Need them sting ray tanks!!!
The Rays new stadium out in St. Petersburg is a bad idea. It’s like putting the Coyotes new arena back out in Glendale
I mean the Giants and Jets play in East Rutherford NJ which actually further away than it is from NYC, than it is from Tampa to St Pete. And the 49ers play in Santa Clara which is nearly an hour away from San Francisco. At least the rays actually play in the Tampa Bay area.
@@RhinoXpress but it’s different in football. You only have 8-9 home games a year and games are once a week. For baseball, it’s 81 home games and there are like 6 games a week
@@jtfritz9169 it's not that far it's only a 26 minute drive from Tampa. People will talk about low attendance is due to location, but that's not the issue, it's a Florida in general issue. Loan depot park is in Miami and it still has attendance problems. Florida isn't an ideal place for an MLB team.
It’s the suburban and lazy people that complaining about the location. We have it easier than many MLB markets when it comes to traffic and location. St. Pete isn’t the boondocks it’s the most urban spot in the Tampa Bay Area
@@RhinoXpress that and we also have the Yankees, Phillies, Blue Jays, Pirates and few other teams who plays here as well.
I like the idea & the lower cost of this project. The size is fine for all the reasons you stated. TB's issue is location. Navigating TB vs St. Pete is such an interesting problem.
The rays don’t deserve a new stadium. Until rays fans start selling out the trop I see no reason to use tax payer money to build a new stadium. Especially since baseball doesn’t seem too popular in Florida
Not one of these stadiums have upper bowl seats that are close to the field. Why not build a modern day Ebbets Field if you want a low capacity seating? 1 bil. for a 30k seating, GTF ATTA HERE!
waste of money
As a Tampa area resident, I don't want this. I want the team relocated to Orlando. I hope this doesn't go through.
Tampa people are jealous of St Pete, downtown st pete ,the pier ,central ave are so much better than downtown Tampa and the riverwalk, water st and sparkman Wharf major overrated, why is Armature Works in middle of nowhere, should be much close to Arena
Tampa Theater is beautiful, everything in downtown should be built around that, I mean right next to , shouldn't have to walk 4 blocks
@@Hernando12 St. Petersburg is away from the main population center in the area. A new stadium needs to be near Tampa is it has any chance of succeeding long term. I give it five years until the attendance is no better than it is today at the Trop.
Maybe it's just baseball in florida, tues weds night nobody would go in tampa either, maybe baseball should only be thurs-sun
@@Hernando12 that wouldn't be possible. No MLB team would be allowed to only have weekend home games. I believe the problems will persist as long as the Rays remain in St. Petersburg.
This stadium is a waste of money as long as it not easy to get to. It is not the long term fix to their attendance issues.
Why do they need a 30K capacity for a team that won't even average 20K?
They should build it by the casino or tampa downs
Some of the photos look like a Mall to me..
St. Pete residents aren't going to go for any more tax money to pay for a stadium.
😂😂😂
St. Pete residents aren't voting on this. The city council will and since the tax money will be a tourist tax, then the locals wont have to pay much into it.
I got a slightly better idea the Rays should play at George M. Steinbrenner Field. It's near Raymond James stadium and it's smaller so they can easily sell out.
The Yankees own that, so no.
@@ArizonaHotSauce but since they can't sell out that depressed Tropicana dome they could save money and play at that smaller ballpark nearby.
@@albertsancho5909 I enjoy the Trop. No depression here. I don't like the location though.
Well, Steinbrenner field capacity is around 11k and even for the rays that is small. Yesterday 1pm game was little over 15k, a lot of weekend games seems to be around 20k. Not to mention a minor league team plays there
can't wait to see this gem empty every night.
Some video ideas:
"What if the Twin Towers had translucent roofs?"
"What if 9/11 happened during a total solar eeclipse?"
"Best stadiums that never happened"
"Stadiums in Turkmenistan"
Great. Y shuld i go as a homeboy since inception ? Same mediocre bs in woke tourist ville.
Ybor would be a terrible location. That area where they wanted to build is hard to get too and will require a hike from parking. The two best locations in Hillsborough are next to RayJay or at the fairgrounds off I-4. No one down here liked the goofy Ybor dome proposal. It did not fit with Ybor’s aesthetic and the Rays inability to design something that fit with Ybor’s historic look is what killed any hope they had there. Also the Lightning did not want to share the downtown area. The Bucs do not want a next door neighbor. That leaves the fairgrounds, which are a much worse location.
And nobody will go because the ticket prices will be ridiculous and nobody went even when they were winning ..Just move to Nashville
Y.R U home right now
Absurd building in the exact same location fans have said they don't want to drive to. They would be better off building in Orlando
Attendence is awful in Florida for both MLB teams I doubt another new stadium will change it that much
Give it five years, and attendance will be no better than it is currently. Baseball doesn't work in Florida and St. Petersburg is the worst area in the Tampa Bay region for a sports stadium. This will fail.
Tbf to the state, that's on the Marlins and Rays.
These are teams that do their best to drive fans away. I mean, in the last 15 years the one star each "tried to retain" was traded to the Yankees and the FBI within 16 months of the deals.
They're terrible ownership groups who try to skimp to make money, instead of take a Steinbrenner kinda approach to build with stars who basically market themselves to baseball fans
Just move the team to Orlando
Orlando sucks.
Won't matter if MLB doesn't draw in Florida
Salt Lake City
@@michaelleroy9281 As a Rays fan, I’d rather see teams relocate to Nashville or SLC. Charlotte or Portland, too. I don’t think the league is ready for an expansion. Wait until they have the current 30 teams in markets that can support them.
Orlando is smaller than Tampa people rather go to the amusement parks in that area
This is incredibly ugly and cheap. Terrible organization. MOVE THE TEAM TO ORLANDO!!!
Time for the Rays to finally get out of Florida, these pictures are nothing but teasers. No Florida MLB/NHL can draw.
You're wrong about hockey
Lol the lightning and panthers both draw
@@michaelleroy9281 both the Lightning & Panthers have good teams right now, the Rays & the Marlins both made the MLB playoffs in 2023, they couldn't draw.
Having lived in Clearwater it doesn’t matter how good the team is they will never draw fans because nobody is born there.