Bang and Olufsen Beolab 8000 vs Beolab 18 - Should YOU upgrade your B&O speakers?
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Bang & Olufsen fans, your journey starts here! Steve from Sounds Heavenly visits B&O Lincoln to review Bang and Olufsen's iconic Beolab 8000 speakers alongside their new replacements, Beolab 18. Should YOU upgrade your Beolab 8000 speakers? Are the new speakers any better? Find out here..... (sorry for the traffic noise in the background!)
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thank you i'm saving for this speakers👍👍👍
thank you for the review
You are welcome, I hope it was useful!
20 years ago i tought i spended to much on my super tweeters fom tannoy but they stil make them only the price is much higher after all they stayed and i love to look at them as i listen ( spend many hours staring at a my tweeters hahaha) they are just as mesmerising just as the b&O tweeters .... just lovely !
Hi Steve!
Another great video.
Thanks!
Yes, I would definitely recommend it. They sound so good and rich in acoustics 👍👍
Agreed.
Well done. Yes, 8000 is after 20 years still very good. I upgrade to the 18 a few weeks ago and there is a difference. The high notes are a little sharper and more clear. In compare with the beolab 3 the where the high notes are a little warmer. I did use the 8000 with the 2 and 3 together for a long time now and recently have the same setup with the 18. I love it. The upgrade is fine but not needed. Still love my 8000 that I still have.
Thanks, the 8000s are certainly good speakers, but the improvement in the 18s makes them even better. Beolab 3, now there is another great speaker that needs to be reviewed..... ;-)
Great video and extremely informative, I’ve just picked up a pair of 8000’s and a Beocenter 9300 at a steal £430 I will see how they perform before deciding my next purchase 👍
Thanks, glad you liked the video. That is a great deal you got there! Please ask if you need any help with cables!
You actually summatized it in one sentence - You listen to a BL18 once and the BL8000 becomes a regular speaker. Although the iconic speakers of the 20th century still have a special place in my house, my BL18s are just immaculate and are the actual centerpoint of the house. Just heavenly 😊 Thanks for the videos Steve
Thanks, that sums these great speakers up perfectly!
Fantastic video, thank you Steve!
Glad you liked it!
@@soundsheavenly I was watching this video when trying to make up my mind between the 8000 and the 18. The 8000 can be found for ~£500 whereas the 18 is much rarer and still goes for close to its rrp of £4000. Given that would you say that the 8000 remained the sensible choice?
@@williamsmith9579 Whilst each person will have their own views on prices, I personally feel that the difference between these speakers are reasonably small. I have owned both Beolab 8000 and 18, but I have kept my 8000s after the 18s were sold. This is because I feel that they give a great sound for a very reasonable cost. Beolab 18 is certainly a better speaker, but is it 8x better than Beolab 8000?
@@soundsheavenly Thanks so much for your perspective! I'm a huge fan of B&O so I'm glad to hear the 8000 still represent a nice opportunity to enjoy their products and is not better but still comparable to their modern offerings, I might try and track a pair down!
I m still using 2 beolab 8000 but associated with my two beolab 9…. I m very satisfied with this configuration. Thanks for your very good videos.πR
These are great speakers, glad you like the videos!
Great video once again! You came more or less to the same conclusion I did plus in my opinion the 18's just look fantastic, even more so than the 8000's.
Thanks, I think the 8000s look great....until you see them next to the 18s. The 18s appear somehow more elegant and slender, plus the sound is a real improvement.
A few years back I owned a pair of 8000’s and indeed the bass was really light, so light in fact that I had to add a subwoofer. For example I am a Yes fan and I couldn’t hear Chris Squires bass pedal work at all pre sub.
Thanks for letting me know - I wonder if your speakers had a fault of some kind? The 8000s usually have quite a good bass, although not massively deep. A subwoofer will always help though, especially for rock and beat driven music.
Steve at Sounds Heavenly Thanks for the reply Steve and I must say your cables have been a positive help in many of my hi fi systems over the years.Keep up,the good work.
@@Broadmaynewood Thanks!
Hi Steve
Is there an mk2 on the way to beolab 18, do you know anything about that?
Can one connect beolab 18 to a non b & o tv via toslink and they will turn on
Sorry I can't comment on unreleased products, but you will hear about them on my channel as soon as I am allowed to talk about any new products. Please don't try to connect the speakers via Toslink to a non-B&O TV or you won't be able to control the volume. Instead please use the TV headphone output to the Line input of the speakers with this cable: soundsheavenly.com/line-in-connection/77-241-minijack-to-beolab-line-in-using-phono-rca-sockets-one-cable-for-two-speakers.html#/2-length-1m
I have 8000 and beolab 2…the beo 2 it literally lifted the sound of the 8000s in the mids and highs
Yes, adding the subwoofer really helps the sound
@@soundsheavenlyI think is the best upgrade the beo 2 for the beo 8000s 🙂
Hey Steve, I sent you an email about this but just want your opinion! I am setting up my first home listening space and TV set up! I am 100% sure I want to grab the BEO 9000 cd player but I am stuck between the 8000s and the 18s. Is it worth saving the money and getting the 8000s or should I invest in the 18s. Also if you have another recommendation please let me know! Thanks, Ibraheem
Hi Ibhaheem, thanks for your email, I will reply to this when I get back to the office. Best to hear both speakers for yourself before making your decision
one of my concerns with many speakers is the performance at low volume, including the 8000 I own, is you lose the treble. cymbals in particular disappear completely. when you go to dealers you won't notice this as the volume is up, back home when you need to crank it down. As the 18's all have individual amps for each speaker I would expect a tweeter boost at low volume. did you notice this Steve? I love the 50's but will never be able to afford them, 18's are a possibility.
Yes, the 8000s do sound a little muffled at low volumes, this seems to be a common issue with other B&O speakers of the same era. I suspect that this is due to the "ABL" (bass management) circuit in the speakers, which gives a boost to the bass at low volumes to make the sound appear deeper. Older speakers like Pentas didn't have this issue. I always suggest asking for the remote control when listening to speakers in store, don't be afraid to turn the volume up or down to your preferred level (although the store may object if you wish to listen too loudly!)
Peter Waugh I find this as well, i find this to be less of a problem with the smaller drivers in the 6000’s and the front of the 7.x, i have the 7.1 in the centre of my music room and i absolutely love it, i recommend them to accompany any pair, i also have 6000s to compliment the 3’s as rare speakers.
If you go through the whole range i found that the bigger speakers lacked a small bit of what the smaller ones give, so i just used both and for me it works, i just like to play around with them.
what I did is... I sold the Beolab 6000 and bought the Beolab 18 to pair them with my Beolab 8000 (bought from B&O Chelsea in 2001).
Good call! I remember visiting Tony at B&O Chelsea before the store closed, that was a great location for a B&O store
Hi Steve, two points on your Video and both negative:
1. Your get me in trouble with my wife in the future, i have to go for BL18 and should upgrade from BL8000.
2. (and this is really negative) B&O could not have a store with such a bad acoustic and isolation, even with hidden rooms and so on.
How, i´ve almost forgot, Congrats for another (necessary) VG video.
Regards from Portugal
Hi, I know what you mean, I am already in trouble with my wife for suggesting that we need an upgrade..... I think we were unlucky on the day, road works nearby meant that a lot of heavy lorries were passing directly by outside the store. This isn't usually the case, but it did harm the sound on the video, so I apologise for this.
To soften the acquisition of BL8000 I've offered a Beotime to her, got think on something new :)
Thanks for your amazing dedication.
@@fangface88 Sounds like a good idea!
Hi Steve, thanks for doing these vids on B&O products. I'd like to please ask for your advice... I've got a pair of 8000s. One has stopped producing sound- the light stays red despite a signal. The RCA cable is fine (delivered a signal to the other speaker). The switch is correctly set to 'line'. I was listening to the system very loud the other day, which has me wondering if there's a fuse in there... I've taken the speaker apart, but I don't see any fuses (of the sort I'm familiar with... the type that is held in place in a little clip, and the fuse is a glass tube with a wire in it). Perhaps there's a type of fuse I don't recognize? If it is a fuse, how do I access it and what does it look like? Thanks very much! James
Hi James, thanks for your kind words, I'm glad you like my videos! I am sorry that I don't know anything about repairs, I just make cables. I suggest asking your local B&O store for their advice on the repair. If you need any cables for your B&O products once you have got them working, please ask and I will be happy to help!
@@soundsheavenly Thanks! I appreciate your passion for B&O products- your videos are great! Keep them coming!
@@jgc2j1 Thank you, will do!
Check this video. I had the same issue and it saved my speaker. th-cam.com/video/PR8kSrkgoKI/w-d-xo.html
If your speakers have the black foam inside,it goes sticky and eats away pcb traces. Chances that the small pcb traces from the power relais are gone. Can be repaired. Best to check wich serial numbers you have. You can check the info on the Beoworld forum.
Hi Steve, thanks for your lovely channel and your commitment to quality music listening. I'm considering buying the Beolab 18s for our smallish family living room for a music setup. I have a turntable with preamplication, but I am looking for the most wireless or minimalist possible option for an effective setup. Would the Beolab 8s on the Mozart system be a better choice or is there a way to set up the Beolab 18s with minimal wiring, through let's say the Bluenote Nord or an equivalent streamer, I'm trying to avoid the traditional hi-fi route by having to wire both speakers to a central hub of some sort, or is this unavoidable with this product (and the fact I have a turntable) any cabling wisdom you might have from your website would be much appreciated and many thanks again.
Thanks for your kind words! The only way to avoid wiring each speaker to a central point is to use a Beolab Receiver 1 on each speaker, plus a Beolab Transmitter 1 linked to the music source. You will also need a device with a volume control linked between the turntable pre-amp and the speakers to control the volume.
@@soundsheavenly Thanks so much for your help there Steve, that clears it up. What I don't understand about this product (the 18s) is why B&O bills this product as a wireless speaker. It's really no different to setting up wireless on any legacy B&O product. It would have saved me lots of confusion if they had just written on their site, "Classic wired active speaker, but can be extended to wireless with a few other products". It just would be a more honest approach. Am I missing anything here?
@TomDonald Thanks, Beolab 18 is wireless via WiSA when used with a compatible B&O TV
@soundsheavenly that's useful to know. Is there a way to activate the WISA features on the speakers without a TV. Is there some equivalent device that could do that? Do the speakers still need two recievers plugged into the speakers, when paired with a B&O TV? Having to get four devices including two recievers seems like a lot of hassle for a wireless speaker. It seems strange because when you visit the B&O site there is a big focus on how this is an elegant wireless product. It's certainly a beautiful speaker but it's functionality doesn't seem that different from a vintage B&O speaker. I don't know if I'm missing anything here.
@TomDonald hi, these questions are too detailed to answer in TH-cam comments but if you are in UK or Europe then please get in touch at soundsheavenly.com and I can help in more detail
Hi, would you say a pair of beolab 3's and a beolab 2 sub would perform better than the beolab 18s? Thanks
Interesting question! Small speakers with a sub give a very different experience to larger stereo speakers. I recommend listening to both options for yourself before making your choice if possible, as whilst the specifications may be similar, you are likely to have a personal preference for either one or the other once you hear them...
@@soundsheavenly Thank you Steve. I'm afraid I won't be able to compare them anytime soon, besides what is being said in forums and videos like yours. I want to fill a relatively large livingroom with sound, like 500square ft. I definitely like the new omnidirectional "tweeters" they both have on top (so no 8000s), and I like both style-wise, but the price difference is so steep atm I'm favoring the 2/3s combo. I'd be great if you could briefly explain how the 2 types of setup (stereo vs 2+1) differ from each other, at least in your opinion :)
@@scenopiachannel Hi, I fully understand. That is too complex a topic to cover in TH-cam comments, but I think it will be a good issue to discuss in a future video, please subscribe to be the first to hear once this video is ready!
The Beolab 2 subwoofer is bigger than the 8000, 3, 18, 17 etc. Enormous power and frequency range in the lower notes. The 18 can not go so low as the 2 because the woofers are very small. But the sound pressure from the 18 ánd 8000 is higher than the 3. For total sound pressure the 3 is not going that loud like the others ( 3 = 94dB stereo and 8000 = 99 dB stereo, so 5 dB higher sound pressure.
Beolab 2 is still a great subwoofer but I think the newer Beolab 19 is more easily controlled for music.
Would you recommend a sub if using the 18 for movies?
Absolutely! If you like action movies, then a good subwoofer will give you the extra depth to get them sounding great. Beolab 18 are superb for midrange and treble, but their slim design does limit their bass performance.
A dsp works also great for alot of speakers
Yes, please check out my recent video on adding DSP to B&O speakers!
@@soundsheavenly i ordered a mini dsp, going to build a powerlink dsp. 1 input and 2 outputs (big speakers like penta and small like 6000) to give the 6000 less bass and set the eq to make it more warm sounding
@@yurianhuizing2352 Sounds interesting! Please let me know how you get on :-)
@@soundsheavenly yes, then you can also connect low pass to a sub and let the B&O 8000/18 focus on what they are good at!
@@oscarjung5405 Yes, that is a good solution!
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Hello. Just to share my experience of using a BEOLAB 2 + Beolab 8000 (or Beolab 6000 or Beolab 3) with a DSP (almost mandatory...), the improvement is very strong. The Beolab 2 filter picks up everything below 120 hz which frees up the Bass/Medium speakers of the beolab 8000 allowing them not to be polluted by the bass and to play much more beautiful mids. The only problem is the extraordinary performance of Beolab 2 which needs to be managed. Moreover, many people describe the Belolab 2 as "too slow" for music but excellent for home cinema. From the installation of a DSP it appears that the Beolab 2 is by far the best subwoofer produced by BO. In my room there were a lot of standing waves (around 180 HZ) which made listening to certain musical tracks "slobbery" with invasive bass. The addition of a miniDSP + Dirac Live 3 has completely removed this heaviness to obtain fast and clean bass, making beolab 2 a formidable and very precise subwoofer with great but controlled force. Coming from the world of traditional HIFI (high-end amp + all the rest of the chain at the same level for more than 20K€, the result is very surprising. Of course I pushed the logic to the limit by using an EAR868 preamp (English) connected to Beolab 2 with Steeve's excellent cables + tigger, all powered by a SOTEM Streamer + linear power supply for the streamer and the miniDSP Studio connected via USB to a Chord Qtest DAC, all with electrical filtering. result proves that "old loudspeakers" come back to life when they are properly fed with quality digital sources and good equipment (Qobuz).
Sorry for my broken English (I'm French) but to conclude, beolab 2 + Mini DSP Studio + what you want in B&O can only strongly improve the qualitative result.
Try it with Beolab 18 to improve the treble (I find that Beolab 3 is very good in treble, but the distribution of the mids is less "spatial" than with the BO 8000s, which should be corrected with the BL18s.
Thanks, that is a great setup, glad to have been able to help with the cables! I agree that these are great speakers, adding DSP is a superb way to improve the sound even further
So, 18’s over 9’s and is there really that much or any difference between 20’s and 9’s?
Hi, there are some big differences in the sound between these speakers, you really do need to hear them before making up your own mind (don't take my word for it as everyone's ears are different!) I am happy to help with cables once you have chosen the speakers you want to buy!
Sounds Heavenly Im not sure i can imagine there being enough in it for me to turn in the 9’s that goes for ether the 18’s or the 20’s, im a massive DL gen fan, but i might turn into one of the stores to have a quick listen.
Mostly thought it would make for a good video comparison.
Thanks, I will try to get these speakers on video, although that may be some time away as they are heavy and I would need to get them to my workshop for a proper comparison.....in the meantime your best option is to have a listen in store if you can - I can help with cables if you do decide to buy them! ;-)
BL18 has base port -
Is it effective ??
Does 8000 have a base port?
Hi, yes, both the Beolab 8000 and 18 have a bass reflex port fitted, this is how they get good bass extension in both speakers from such a slim cabinet.
Which is a better speaker? The Beolab 18 or 20?
Good question......this is one I hope to cover in a future video! In the meantime, please have a listen to both speakers when you have a chance and please let me know what you think?
Interesting video but the sound is really bad.
You should recorder it, Sir !
Hi, really sorry about the sound, I will use a better mic for the next video.....