Booze & Boat Crashes - (Making Money Before Safety On Norfolk Broads) Norfolk Broads Forum
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- Boating can be one of the most delightful experiences, especially when you are surrounded by a picturesque location. Whether you prefer a cold beer, a glass of wine, or any other drink, having a drink on a boat is a great way to relax and unwind. However, as a seasoned boater, I have to say it just does not work out favorably with hiring boats on the Norfolk Broads. That this is just my personal opinion and everyone is entitled to their own. If you have a problem with my opinion, you can simply go to another video.
The boating experience can be ruined by accidents and collisions with other boats and vessels. In the Broads, there were 13 reported incidents of collisions in 2017, according to a Freedom of Information request. However, it is important to note that these statistics only refer to reported incidents and not all accidents are recorded. This is because many boat owners don't report collisions that happen to their boats. Furthermore, there is a bylaw against navigating carelessly, but it is not always enforced.
Drinking on a boat is a personal choice, but it is important to be safe while boating. The skipper should not be under the influence of alcohol, as this can put them and other boats in danger. The drink-drive limit for boats is the same as for cars, with a maximum fine of £5,000 and even a two-year imprisonment...yet it is not enforced in the UK.
Another interesting point is that I have never had a problem with small day boats. This could be because these boats are much easier to control, and people are able to navigate the waterways better. On the other hand, big monstrous high boats can be difficult to control and navigate, especially for people who have only had a few minutes of tuition. If people are allowed to rent these big boats, they should be given more training to prevent accidents and collisions.
In conclusion, boating can be one of the most enjoyable experiences, but safety should always come first. Whether you're on a small day boat or a large vessel, make sure to follow the rules and regulations and enjoy the beautiful surroundings.
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Some very interesting theories there. One question i would ask is, as well as the boats being too big, do you think the big 3 or 4 are in fact TOO BIG?. Should a hire fleet be limited to the number of boats they can operate safely, so as to enable them to give a PROPER and in depth handover and trial run, only letting them go when they`ve successfully carried out some vital manouvres in a safe and acceptable manner?. Just a thought?.
Possibly the most sensible and truthful comment posted in this video. I could not have worded it better myself.
Thanks, that is quite an interesting view point of irresponsible skippering. I am a former coastal ships master and River pilot on the Humber. Of the last few years have hired several narrow boats, each experience has been pleasurable and indeed rewarding. I totally understand your thoughts on careless and irresponsible boat handlers with the high risk of alcohol use, it should not be tolerated,it is with that in mind I can reflect on the behaviour of some canal boat owners who without thought but malice, so it seems,try to navigate as if everyone else in a hire boat is a novice and who really has no right to the canal usage.
On a few rare occasions such oncoming fellows clearly will not make room for safe passing and drive their vessels towards the hire crafts in what can only be termed as intended harassment, playing this childish game of chicken. Fortunately, I am only too well aware of such practices and am more than capable of dealing with such nonsense, but less experience skippers can be intimidated causing them to shear and on occasion contact the canal sides or as I have seen, pushed them onto known shallows with the inevitable grounding out. Wether you are a boat owner or hirer, the canal and inland waterways are there to benefit everyone. It is therefore in everyone’s interest that mutual respect and concerns are observed.
Throughout my career, I can say that there is nothing worse than being enveloped in an accident. As ship handlers, we strive to avoid contacts at every level because the consequences to ship, shore structures and worse still injury or death, are a total anathema to us and will do all we can to avert such incidents.
Though inland waterway scales are different to commercial navigation, the principles remain very much the same, it’s just that the inland waterways are connected to the leisure and holiday industry were the points I have made are ignored or just not observed, this leads to the sort of crass stupidity you mentioned. If I was a boat owner such as the originator of this post, I am sure I would be &110% behind you, it is education and safety awareness coupled with respect for the personal property of other waterway users.
Some hirers may not consider the fact that people who have bought their craft, have had to graft and save to make that purchase, the purchase which is very dear to their lives. If only life was perfect......
I agree Miles. Skipper doesn’t drink alcohol. There’s a time a place, and when you’re in charge of a boat is not one of them. If people can’t wait to have a drink. Then stay where you are. Don’t put everybody else and their property in danger. People who hire a boat and damage it should face the consequences, buy being prosecuted and paying for any damage out of their own pockets .
It's crazy what gets permitted on these waterways. Boaters in USA and Australia would be in state of disbelief.
Had a boat for a week this summer from brinks craft. I was shocked at the lack of Tuition got 15mins max then was left to get on with it. Amazingly didn’t hit anything but more by luck than judgement. I did well as I pick things up quick but never felt completely in control of the boat when mooring up. To be honest found it stressful and won’t be back on the broads. Feel you should have to pass a safety test before they let you lose with a big boat.
Well said...it's absolutely ridiculous. Profit before safety and everyone else suffers as a result. When boat owners contact Brinks Bank craft to report damage done by one of their boats, they are met with an extremely rude and billigerent director. It's shocking that companies can carry on this way.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum boat was terrible as well hob didn’t work had to get out engineer to fix it. We was also told mud anchor didn’t work which in fact it did just need to reset the trip switch. Really did feel like they could care less about the quality and safety of there boats.
We go on the broads every year, a bunch a lads in a 40+ foot boat. We always drink but have never been in a accident. I do understand where he’s coming from it must be very frustrating having your boat damage by us “holidaying amateurs” but it’s the broads what else do you expect!
i have had my boat on the broads for ten years, no probs, i like to see holiday makers.
Personally, I find that very hard to believe unless you never take your boat out of the marina. Everybody likes to see holidaymakers and that was not the point of the video whatsoever.
I sympathise and concur with your sentiments. We chartered a Broom 29 in Oct 21 and even with 25 years sailing yachts experience and being a qualified Off Shore Yachtmaster, I approached the handling of the boat with caution until I had a feel for it (there is no 2mtr keel on a power boat to pivot on!).
This problem is not isolated to the Broads. It had been the suspicion for many years that anyone could turn up at a power boat manufacture at the Southampton Boat show to be told, "you drive it just like a car", and I note that the Broads charter companies follow the same line. Except for marina manoeuvring, the Solent is a far less crowded space than the boards, albeit speeds on the Broads are much slower. Even so, no boat has brakes wherever they are.
Some ideas which so easily could be implemented which could help things, I would suggest are: One person being appointed 'skipper', they alone have the full responsibility for the boat and should direct the rest of the crew and they are the ones who should have the pre charter training, much of which could be done online prior to turning up. This could include a section of the IRPCS (rules of the road). How to approach a mooring or berth, the difference in approach with the tide (or river flow) or against it, how to get your crew ready. How to use ropes to move a boat on a berth, or hold it in position. How many times do you see someone standing holding a warp screaming at the helm to slow down, when getting a turn on the mooring post (?) would do the work for them. The list is endless, yet quite simple.
The charter boats are constructed like dodgems, it has to be said. However they bare the scars of inexperienced helms. The charter companies would benefit in lower repair costs and be able to keep their fleet looking much smarter if some simple steps were taken with the added bonus that privately owned craft remained safe.
Haven’t been on a boat for a few years now but we used to and we found that private boat owners were the worst for speeding and fairly rude and utter ‘snobs’ now we rent cottages by the rivers but still see ownership boats still speeding
Speeding is a big issue and the problems remain.
My sentiments exactly with the majority of the comments here, been on several holidays on the Broads, 3 times in the last few years as well as 10+ years ago with the parents. The boats have substantially increased in size but the training has not kept pace of this. These boats handle nothing like a car, and as others have pointed out there are no brakes, you are at mercy to fast tides etc! A lot of it is common sense, not motoring along at 12mph, taking that calm pace which allows you to pre-empt and plan for trouble ahead, allowing you to manoeuvre out of difficulty, rather than desperately trying to use the non-existent brakes and inevitably drifting out.
I agree with another person In the comments, having one nominated skipper who can take responsibility and delegate.
I’m at the stage now where I would absolutely love to purchase a boat on the Broads, but the hire craft and indeed very irresponsible Yacht owners I have seen just last week on the Broads makes me nervous.
I wonder if this car ideology really has affected the way people manoeuvre the waterways ?
I have hired boats for 20 years and never had one single accident. But I totally agree with what your saying last year I was hit by 3 boats in a week. Boats are getting ridiculously big 35 foot is my perfect size.
Love your videos
The boat crash at the end was filmed by my father they was moored on other side came out hit our boat went down river came back and hit boat behind us and our boat again before they crashed into the bridge what people tend to forget is boats don’t handle like cars.
They handle like a car does when it's floating down a river.
May "bump" into you in October or March , 😂😂😂 , hope you have had a great summer and get that boat back in the water asap 😃
I coming down for 4 days on the broads and one thing that worries me is party boats full of drunks how much of this kind of behaviour is there?
Honestly, it is a problem at times and results in incidents.
If you wish to avoid? I would suggest avoiding public moorings and rather make good use of a mud weight on wild moorings.
August time is bonkers.
There is a strange urge for many boat hirers to head from pub to pub, so if a mooring has a pub? Avoid.
Only went on the broads once. That was a family holiday in 1980. My dad got about 30 minutes instruction and off we went. First couple of days ok, then we moored up at Gt Yarmouth. Came back to the boat to find someone had loosed the mooring lines. My dad thought it was kids so he tightened them up again. Not sure when, but at some point in the night we were awoken by an increasing and rather alarming creaking noise. The tide had gone out and we were dangling on the lines almost fully out of the water. Not sure how my dad managed it, but he took the full weight of one of the lines whilst my mum untied it. I do remember the crash as it hit the water.
Wow, you won't forget that in a hurry.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum kind of proves your pount too. My dad was no mug, but there was no warnings about tides when we picked it up. Just a quick familiarization with the controls and a warning it wouldn't fit under the bridge at Potter Heigham.
Problem is the higher companies, not enough training given. Very simple. If the area lost the revenue generated by holiday makers how many shops, hotels and restaurants would go out of business.
Probably not as many as one might initially think.
As someone who has grown up around boats and worked on and hired as well, I totally agree with you. I pointed this out to the owner of my last hire boat on the broads after being rammed by one of his other customers. I never allow any alcohol to be consumed until the boat is safely moored up. All of the boat yards need to give proper tuition and need to explain the rules of navigation to hirers. After all, it must surely be in their own interest to reduce collisions and therefore damage to their own craft.
I watched your video with interest and agree with most of what you say. I was, however, astonished by your claim that there is now a drink drive limit on the Norfolk Broads. I decided to check on this with the Broads Authority. They confirmed that there has not been a change and that any such changes would be published on their website and social media pages.I completely understand that you don't want to be crashed into, nor do I, but why make claims that aren't true? For me, this causes your video to lose credibility, which I think is a bit of a shame as most of it is very good.I don't think alcohol is to blame for boat crashes. It is lack of tuition, lack of respect and in some cases, stupidity. I know it's a pain, but I have found that being picky about where I moor in summer can greatly reduce the chances of being hit. I don't moor at places like Ranworth Staithe or Neatishead Staithe in summer for this very reason. I have spent most of the summer upriver of Potter Heigham bridge. It really does make a difference as I haven't been hit once to my knowledge. Maybe this might help you. Just trying to offer some advice. I hope you are not offended by my comments as this is not my intention at all.
Thank you for your input and there is no reason why I should take offence. It is important to allow people to comment from their own perspective and despite what people may suggest in an arbitrary fashion, I only delete comments from people who troll and attempt to cause a negative effect. In other words, they don't contribute to the subject but rather see it as a platform to download their potty mouths.
The Broads Authority are not the folks to speak to about drinking regulations as many rangers don't even know the Broad's Byelaws. That is an observation and not intended as an insult as I believe what they do in many cases is laudable.
Back to the point of alcohol:
"Drink-boat legislation is actually on the statute books, in the Railways and Transportation Safety Act of 2003. Section 80 has yet to come into force because officials struggle to define a small craft, however, the RYA have opposed it as they describe it as a sledgehammer being used to crack a nut.
Boaters may be prosecuted under the Merchant Shipping Act 1995 if their actions on the water are seen to be endangering other vessels, structures or individuals and they are under the influence of alcohol.
Hope this helps.
Regards
Yes it does help, thank you. I do have a few pints at the pub and leave on my boat, but I don't drink to excess unless I intend to stay overnight. I make sure I can always handle my boat safely and competently. I have had similar problems with trolls to you. I get trolled because I take my boat under Potter Heigham bridge for myself. I think it's because the trolls don't have the confidence to do it for themselves. I think I may have seen your boat in the Wroxham area last winter. Maybe we might meet sometime as I will visit Wroxham regularly during the winter. I am on Facebook too. Regards David.
As some one who's been around boats all my life and comes from a boating back ground I come and visit the brouds alot on holiday it's just not the holiday boats I've seen hit other boats its people who own there own boats who don't have a clue they can't even moor up don't know rules of the river to be fair it's the silver spoon tw+ts with money are the ones who don't have a clue there rude and think they own the water ways. I can under stand why this gets your back up. The company's and other boat owners should pay out for any damages they have Caused. This is why i come up at the start of the season and the end less idiot's. On the water ways and more chance too get Moored up and not been smashed into. Have a great summer
Thank you for your input.
I think your proposals are perfectly reasonable.
I let my 12 year old kid drive my boat and he drives better than them!
Children generally seem to show great ability at the helm and I believe it is because they are aware of other craft much more than someone after a few Stellar Artois.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum Lol.
I was last on the broads in 1978. It was never like that. Boat handling was taken seriously. You've forgotten one important factor.... Tides. The skipper must be conversant with tide times and how to use the tide to your advantage
Tide is no more than 4 6 inches on northern rivers
1.5 -2 metres on the south.
Tide is important but the actual current is priority...well at least on the southern Broads.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum I'm returning to the broads in April after a 40 years absence.
I was lucky to have a father who encouraged me to take the helm as a child. I've took 8 berth boats under most bridges apart from Potter Higham. I've taken boats through Yarmouth both ways.
I know I have to re-acquaint myself which is how I discovered your video.
I hope I don't come across any of these buffoons.
A lot of points, all very well made. I feel that in this day and age the answer to making each captain accountable for their actions is to start to include technology into the equation.
Today a mobile phone can be tracked to the meter (almost) and cameras are really low cost now so any crash can be reported with video evidence so that the police etc. can find the boat that was there at that exact time and hold them to account.
Just a thought but it would help.
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it's outright criminal.
So ranty in a wonderful dry way! 😀 Love it! Great video and content! Subscribed!
I had two holidays on the broads, loved every minute of it. . I don’t remember having proper tuition. It was throttle pushed forward, go forward, same in reverse. Turn the wheel to port and it turns left, same with starboard. They showed you how to check the engine and the inlet pipe. Which you had to do daily. That was it really.
Use to make me laugh, in the beginning, everybody is waving at everybody. By the end of the fortnight, it was almost, bog off.
If I feel emasculated or offended by this video, should I not clip it up and make a response video like you have? Or is that petty and childish?
You have no reason to be offended by this video. As for making a video....why not?
It is obvious that most people think a boat steers like a car . I have sailed on the Broads since 1967 and before that sailed Enterprise and Cadet dinghies . Since then I have sailed across the Channel on a 100ft. sailing ship and can tell you that even some 'experienced' sailors can't help themselves when coming to a new heading . I also don't think a lot of people hiring a boat realise that the rudder acts like a brake if they change direction quickly . Strangely enough I use the rudder when sailing on the Broads as a brake , heading the boat in the wrong direction first of all . It looks almost impossible but works even though you frighten other people on the water .
Can't think what you mean using the rudder as a brake but obviously works for you on a sailboat as the rudders are so big. I am often surprised how small some rudders are on motor boats
I watched your film by accident "excuse the pun" but it made a lot of sense and as a previous boat owner and seasoned renter of big boats on the broads and Thames I feel that all renters should be taught or made to demonstrate a level of ability and an understanding of safety on the water. In the long run, less damage to the hirer boats will save repairs and thus create better profit.
There is room for a lot of improvement.
Inland waterways are covered under same maritime laws as the sea. If the skipper in charge is under the influence of alchohol they can be charged with rather large fines. Bigger fines than car laws. If theirs an accident it could result in a prison sentence. This also covers speeding and not keeping a proper lookout too wether drunk or not. All can & will result in an easily avoidable accident. A local jetskier in our harbour in Brightlingsea was recently fined £1500 for speeding in a 4knt area. You don't see fines like that in cars!
I've had a boat for many years on the Broads & you can guarantee every time we went out we would see or be involved in an incident with a hire boat or a sailing boat I think my boat was a magnet for these boats it totally took away the enjoyment of boating & I was constantly stressed needless to say I no longer have a boat on the Broads & I totally agree with you about the big hire companies they don't give a crap about anyone, I was in a well known hire company once on business & a large family was hiring out two boats & the subject of lifejackets can up from one of the wife's the lady behind the hire desk said in response" This is the Norfolk Broads we issue you with lifejackets but there's no need to wear them" I wonder if she knew just how many people drown on the Norfolk Broads each year ?!?
It is simply crazy and unfair to other boaters. A couple got hit three times yesterday by the same boat and not one person apologised.
Hi hate to admit. Because I don't like your attitude on other user of the water. But. (Lump in my throat). I think they should at least have a full driving licence. And leave credit card details with the higher company in case of damage..your right about the rules in renting a large boat. Some snotty nose drug infested buffoon could take a huge boat out. No experience needed
Yes some demonstration of ability at least
Hi Miles , we have hire both large (45 ft) and not so large (27 ft) now the smaller of the boats which you have seen us on, handles, sorry , handled ( past tense as it is no longer on the fleet ) like a dream , and I was very confident helming said vessel, the larger of the boats , frankly , could be a nightmare, in one particularly frightening incident I felt like I had lost control of it completely , not through my own use of the vessel , it felt like I had lost the steering,, seemingly the wheel was no longer connected to the rudder, thankfully this was not the case , it was a lack of hydraulic fluid in the steering , but a very scary moment , particularly as I was approaching the turn at Horning outside the Swan pub, so for myself a smaller vessel is by far a more sensible choice, better maneuverability , easier to moor up and indeed cast off, especially when there are two people aboard. Not only that, it is by far easier to get out of trouble in a smaller boat than one of the larger 45 ft x 12ft.6in cruisers. had you also noticed that a lot , not all , of the hirers of larger vessels go on the " Might is right " attitude ? and don't seem to give two hoots about speed limits or other boaters?
regards Bob .
They need to start making small boats and putting your suggestions in place
My self and daughter love the broads we have a little dingy 13ft with outboard iv got a speedometer on board we always stick to the limits but I often find other big boats are over taking us 😟 also the sports Canoes can be really rude and say slow down slow down when I i know I’m doing the speed limit! But thinking what impresses me .. when they are racing they are going at some speed ! Right ???? Well over the speed limits !! 🧐
I'm afraid i have to agree with you , alot of people can't handle big boats , especially when they've had alot to drink , the boat companies should stop people taking lots of boxes of beer on board boats , some take that much that it would be enough to sink the titanic, a few years ago , we were in the middle if two boats of all male parties throwing water bombs at each other, & we kept getting wet & had to pull in out of the , & they were all tanked up with booze, so there should be a limit they can have while driving boats , & we've been going on the broads for about 15 years & have been hit quite a few times , & those people never seem to apologise when they've done it either .
It is just crazy at times.
Killing the lifestyle for the good folk with this... i agree to a point but i love sailing around with a few shandies down the hatch, lack of boating experience is certainly the main issue... idiots with no experience at the helm of a hire boat is always going to be trouble.. people need to be made more accountable for their actions....
Back in the 80's while running a hire fleet on the Broads, one of our voters decided to leave his small grandson on the helm for a few short minutes while he got a drink. The child then struck a police barge near the Thurne mouth, causing substantial damage to both vessels, and Granddad was prosecuted for undue care and attention.
That said, there were many more hire boats on the Broads in those days compared to today.
It's " without due care and attention" , in other words doing something without the care that's due to it. There is no such thing as undue care and attention.
I've been driving pleasure boats for 25 years and I'm still learning. A ten minute demo is not enough before being let loose.
You are quite right.
The reason I stopped coming to the broads.
I totally understand and so do many others.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum the hire companies never allowed large all male/female parties at one time & the broads were the better for it. They put their prices up massively & as a consequence, they started allowing the Large groups. I love the broads dearly, but I wouldn't come back for that reason.
As previous comments have mentioned it doesn't help the boats are getting so damn big. Putting a complete novice at the helm of a 50ft cruising boat is madness. I suspect they get in them thinking they are going to drive like a car not realising they steer from the rear and have no brakes lol. Not quite so bad with canal boats as they are so slow.
I’ve been boating most of my life (58) and it’s not about the size of the boats or whether they are holiday hirers or private owners it’s more about what sort of person gets behind the helm. Granted, large hire boats with idiotic ‘drivers’ at the helm cause the most damage but they will never stop as the hire companies are far too greedy to ever consider stopping them. In the last 30 odd years of hiring boats on the broads the worst incident was when a private boat rammed into the side of our boat as they came in to moor at the old Berney Arms pub mooring and then tried to blame me for having the nerve to be moored up quite correctly. No apology, nothing and then they refused to give their details so I photographed them and their boats registration number. My boat hire company (MD) just shrugged it off as what usually happens. As you say more training and more responsibility would help. (Your still laughing and snorting at the end of each video btw...lol)
Brilliant video..Thank You High seas..
Like some here, I’ve been on the water 39 years. In my experience there should be a qualification to helm a boat. Also boats going too fast should be taken off the water. I have over 700 horsepower and if I can go slow, anyone can.
Unless the victims of these incompetent boaters demand compensation for damages....including the cost of professional repairs and the time and effort of having the repairs made...nothing will change. It has to be understood that not only will it be expensive, it will ruin one's holiday having to wait around exchanging insurance information, having police come to make a report for the record, etc.
Also if people want to complain here's one for the rag n sticks...
We have a speed limit on the broads I cruise on tickover on the north short cruise times to each location current not that strong against the time... on the southern side against the tide I will up the revs. But on holiday in no rush would rather conserve fuel....
But I when we have strong winds some rag n sticks have full sails up easy breaking the speed limit..
I have never not once seen a rag.n stick drop sails to keep to the speed limit....
I'am a competent helmer can control any cruiser with easy & you. It can be rather patronising people complain about stuff like this....
If an accident happens get a camera out take a photo of the boat with reg if possible. Photo of the same & witness details. You have insurance so does a hire yard. If a hire yard has any sense they will repair the damage...
Road users have the same risk as boaters nothing you can do about it. Those who purchase riverside property if the river floods shit happens you know the risks.
Don't get me wrong miles I have common sense & looking at it from both sides
Sailing boats are exempt from the speeding limit to the best of my knowledge.
Generally speaking, sailors are competent and you won't be hit by a sail boat.
I cruise up the river colne in essex as a sailor and reduce sail to reduce speed quite regularly. Normally headsail only which is easy to furl to reduce speed even further but yes a lot of people do set full sail no matter what.
I had my first experience of a boating holiday on the broads two years ago.... it was a fantastic experience..... fortunately I didn't have any collisions..... it's not exactly hard to manoeuvre a boat travelling at 3 or 4 mph on the broads is it.... even while on "the sauce".... it's not exactly training for the SAS is it ha ha!!
You need SAS training in hire boat defence
If you're using something else besides your body and a pair of shoes, don't drink. It's pretty simple
Did I pass you way back in September at Sutton Staithe? Sorry if I wasn’t very chatty but I was still a touch hungover, and trying to moor and not without hitting anyone 😀
Yes, that was me. I had run aground and had difficulty getting out. Even more so when you moored right behind me lol
Sailing High Seas - Norfolk Broads I apologise if I made it difficult for you I did hold back for a bit to let you out till you waved me in. Next time just come up and say hi, I’m awful for not recognising people and forgetting names 😀 would love to share a pint and chat about the difference between cruisers and sailing boats as I know very little about sailing 😀
While I agree with the content having hired on the Broads for over 40 years, it was unfortunate you chose to illustrate your point with a stern collision involving a private boat. There's plenty of footage out there of hire boat collisions.
These were other clips provided with the permission of third parties. Not all would agree with me using clips and were more interested in financial gain than making the Norfolk Broads safer. I do like the fact that one is a private boat as it demonstrates that it is not a witch hunt against boat hirers. I have made a public request for boat crash videos and clips on my forum https//:norfolkbroadsforum.co.uk and I welcome people to send them especially if they prefer to stay incognito.
They should be ashamed of themselves. As is a minute or two of already well circulated youtube footage would have made a difference to them. I expect they are exactly the type of people that watch and download full length movies and TV shows before youtube takes them down. @@NorfolkBroadsForum
It ought to be mandatory to report all waterbourne collisions.
It is, there is a byelaw but nobody gives a f*** except private boat owners.
Don't drink when I drive don't drink when helm a boat. Size of the boat doesn't matter I can helm an ideal45 with east & turn it round at Sutton staithe with ease its the lack of helm tuition. Just like on the roads rouge hgv drivers who have to pass hard tests but it's those incompetent few that give the rest a bad name.
Also on hand over nobody listens to instruction it's like we've waited long enough we want to go.
I think the BA should be scrapped over paid bunch of bureaucrats but not going to happen.
That leaves also the question why boaters don't need a licence. In Germany you have two options: get a licence or - in some regions, mostly in the east - a 3-hout tuition which includes the basics of rules, signals and so on plus about 30 minutes on the helm with an instructor. Being completely unfamiliar with a boat even after some instructions you have to learn to handle it. I do not own a boat, so we hire one or two times a year. For two people 30ft (or 10-11 m) is comfortable enough but on every hire I need time to get comfortable with the boat. And I have a licence for inland waterways ...
I have to agree I hire a 45 footer every year never had an incident mainly because I try my hardest to moor away from private boats as they should be respected as much as you would someone’s house I think the tuition that is given is a joke I have personally seen some horrendous piloting including a lot of stag and hen doos that frankly should not be on the water
Fun fact everyone! A boat longer than 40 feet, is technically a yacht
This needs to be made more aware.notice screwed to hire boats making them aware of the fine.
Miles, you are dead-on. I first.cruised the Broads when I was about 12, on a Broads Tours day trip in about 1967. That kicked off my love for the place. Since that time, I have cruised the Broads many times and finally got a boat of my own there - perfect! Well, it was, but in two years I was hit so many times by uncaring and inept hire boat captains, that I sold my boat. I gave up. It was breaking my heart to see my little boat continually scraped and scratched. Your comments will not offend any private and decent boat owner. The hirers receive so little training. I lay much of the blame at the feet of the hire boat companies. They just don't seem to care. It's like a game of dodgems on the Broads and is ruining it for everyone. Good luck, Miles.
Well said mate. Universal I reckon
everyday is rediculous! just like politicians here in the states, no accountability.
I heard a lady recently say,'ridonkeylous'...sums it up to me
Oh you there Bloke who needs a shave on that boat … Now ive got you attention Enjoyed as have all your videos , apart from when dog passed away sad one there . When we get instructions on driving a car and learn to park we don't park up in a completely empty space so why teach boaters to moor in empty areas . I wild moored for 3 nights as was unsure if is get hang of reverse mooring . I can understand the need to express your feeling if people are bumping into your Craft , Cant spell Yacht … Id go crazy if my car was hit so many times . Keep up the good vlogs and hopefully see you next year .. P.S still laugh at the Love me tender ...
Thank you for understanding the point behind the video
My dog is still sadly missed but had two wonderful years on the rivers.
Totally agree with what you are saying. I’ve been on boating holidays for nearly a decade on the Broads and coming back in April. In don’t drink as I’ve never liked the taste of alcohol. Sadly this year I have my first ever collision on the Broads and I was totally devastated as I appreciate all the people who live on the Broads and make it the brilliant place that it is. We ended up going back to the boat and did a damage check on the boat ( luckily it was a few bent hooks for the canvas) and we ended up paying for the damage instead of using the damage weaver. The man who owned the boat did say that we didn’t have to but we felt like it was our fault and our duty too. It did put my back off coming back again but i decided to come back. Will be extra careful this year.
Accidents happen all the time. Only recently I went flat on my face on the boat. The solution is to deal with it in a polite manner. In 6 years of boating on the Broads, every single boat that has smashed into me has fled.
We couldn’t do that. It was our fault and had to come back and make sure things were ok. It didn’t help that the same day my grandad had a stroke so that was playing on my mind too but I love the Broads so much that I couldn’t not come back after having one negative experience.
This is one of the reasons we hire out of season, it's so much quite and the people that are on the water are taking their time. I take pride in my boat handling but I'm still learning. I'll never forget putting into practice what I'd been told about morning stern on, it went so well, I was so pleased!
I am currently out on a hire boat seeing it from a different perspective.
@@NorfolkBroadsForum I hope it goes well - good luck! We have just booked for the last week in October!
I totally agree
Hire boats need to have a warning screwed to the helm.good video.