Idk about not a chance, but in 06 it’s a debate. 05 nash was the winner by a mile and deserved it but for kobe in 06 i’ll at least admit kobe has an argument
I still think 06 has an argument for Nash but Kobe rised up that year and deserved. Made more of an impact than nash in 06. 05 Nash was premium though lol.
@@TheRealMindCrime Suns really made a splash in '05, they kinda came out of nowhere to become a top team in the already loaded West. It's really hard to argue against Nash in '05. For '06, as a Kobe & Lakers fan, I was really disappointed because it was apparent that "best player on best team" held greater weight than any individual performance. If Kobe couldn't win it in '06, I couldn't imagine what type of season an individual player had to have in order to win MVP on a bad team.
Nash did so much in 06 when you take into account the team lost Amare and Joe Johnson. I’m a team first guy and Nash’s impact both years had the biggest impact on winning in the lesgue
Nash definitely deserved both. It's all about winning and the suns were winning a lot. But if anyone should've gotten the 06 mvp instead of Nash it should've been Dirk
For me, Nash deserves his MVP awards, for Kobe, those Awards that he didnt get while appearing in 3 straight finals and won 2, he was the MVP on those 2 years(2009 and 2010).
How impactful he was from 2004 to 2010 ! He became my favorite PG since he started to break the shell with the mavs, but the right offense for him putted him on another level. I would be interested by a face to face with Mark Price.
Nash was so good. Without him, I don’t think the Suns survive In the spirit of MVP conversations, Jonny has a series of who was the real MVP (regular season and Finals) Also, SKAP ATTACK has a new video called “Spoiled Brats continue to destroy the NBA”
nice!! and yeah, because of Nash we had a total resurgence in hoops here in AZ. All of us were rushing to someones house whenever possible to watch the show
Great topic. Kobe had the best stats in modern era but nashs suns were a well oiled machine but never made it to the finals. The lack of defense is enough to question whether he should have gotten those MVPs. In any case this was a competitive time in the league and it was a tough decision.
Oh man. I never realized how good Nash was. I’m pulling for Phoenix to win a championship.. I hope you get that soon. I got into the NBA during Kobe’s rookie year. The gal that I had been dating at that time , her dad was from Arizona so she had strong ties to Arizona and was a huge Suns’s fan. She sat with me through all those Lakers championships. What an amazing lady. Hope she’s doing well .😊 Blah blah blah anyway you’ll get that chip. 🏆
Controversial.. his second MVP? maybe.... maybe... His first tho? No way. He absolutely deserved it. I mean he was the only major addition to a 29-53 record Phoenix (replacing marbury)... and turned them into the best record in the league.
Let’s add to this debate that NBA is always looking where they can get eyes on the product; believe it or not they saw in increase viewership from Latin America because of Nash, by “pushing” screen time (promoting) Nash allowed an audience for Latin American to follow him. Remember that during that time NBA had to find ways to get back what they were losing because the viewership is important. That being said as a player and what Nash did for that team Yes and Yes.
@@TheRealMindCrime Nash was one of those dudes I loved to hate. Dude was so good. I was so hyped when he became a Laker. I just knew him and Kobe were getting a ring together
Nash to Phoenix and Jason Kidd to NJ turned those teams around. They infected those teams with teamwork like the old boston teams. I still remember that Amare block on Duncan in the playoffs 😲
I commented on the original video that Nash definitely deserved his 1st MVP cause he took a Suns team with the same players the previous year that only won 20 games and turned them into a 50+ win team. You can argue that Kobe deserved the MVP over Nash cause he was having a statistically monster year but his Lakers team was still mid, on the other hand Nash took a team of 'role players' without Amare for the whole season and still got 50+ wins out of them and even made it to the Western Finals. The MVP is usually given to the 'Best' player but sometimes it is given to the player who was most 'Important' to said team and without Nash that 05-06 Suns team would've been a non playoff team...heck they would've been last in their division or the Western Conference.
Love this Can you do a reaction to the 2012 all star game where kobe shuts down lebron Lots of subtle basketball psychology to break down in that video and its hilarious to see lebron cower when the true alpha dog is on the court
Nash was 4 FTs away from 6 consecutive 50/40/90 seasons And he did average 51/44/91 those 6 seasons. Haha. I just saw that he averaged 50/40/90 for a decade. 😂
The mavericks kept right on trucking after Nash left. Amazing. Phoenix went from middle of pack offense to #1 by far but went from low level defense to the bottom. Good with the bad?
There's no question about it. Shaq went to a good team that was already being talked about as a future winner that had wade and in 2006 Kobe's team finished 7th. The mvp has nothing to do with who the best player is or Jordan would've won 10 mvps.
Nash technically has 2 rings as a consultant with the Golden State Warriors in 2017 and 2018. Hey, they can't be worth less than Durant's 2 rings from the same run. 😂
steph is gonna go down as the greatest shooter in history but i really liked shooters like nash, mullin and petro who had strong mid range game to go along with the 3s.
You realize Nash made Marion, JJ, Q-Rich and Stoudemire look so much better than they really were. Like all-star worthy. Those guys on other teams were mediocre at best.
I know this bring back great memories mindcrime but tremendous hurt especially that horry cheap shot the team should stay in there seats. Image nash rookie team in this small ball era with rex chapman a mcdyess❤
@@TheRealMindCrime i know this era that team would be the golden state warriors that be great western conference final nash first mvp season with joe johnson jim jackson stack stoudamire matrix against 2014 2015 curry first ring home court advantage will determine the series
@ bro there two video you absolutely need to watch LEBRON JAMES BEING TOP 2 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE (COOK SESSION) by crunch time . This guy knows his sheet.
Funny how we just had this conversation the other day. Im ok with 05. 06 im not. Kobe was ripped off, PERIOD. He had Kwame Brown and Chris Mimm..... bunz azz Smush Parker i think? Some other bums who never did anything other than collect a paycheck as well. Nash wouldn't have won with those guys, they were not NBA standard players. As for where he is rated? I have him above CP3 on my list of PG, mainly cuz i think CP3 is way overrated. And Nash does have those MVP's deservedly or not. Soooo.... idk man. He was a great player to have run your team though. And D'Antoni i couldn't stand. I have to argue u on this. I think this is where the idea of todays NBA came from. Is it different yes, however the concept of being able to just take so many more shots and not play defense looks exactly the same. He did this crap everywhere he went, and every team looked the same doing it. Just like todays game. Jus sayin
Yeah ironically we were just talking about this lol. I agree about 06 and that he deserved it. The style of the 05 suns was cool though. Back then teams were still unique and played differently from each other so it was fun to have a run n gun team play during a very slow defensive era. What sucks is now everyone plays a boring version of this style. But I can't blame them for being original back then
@smittyque2567 no it's not. If every team he joins gets so much better tell me how many rings that man has won? And let's not act like he hasn't been on some really good teams. Clippers should've netted him bare minimum 1 ring alone. When I watch him play I see a really good PG not an all time PG. Our opinions can differ and that's perfectly fine, which is why I said on MY LIST
@TheRealMindCrime I would love for to take a deep dive into how many more possessions per game they got running this style. Because I'm curious as to how many more assists this netted Nash? Because most teams took the shot clock down to 4 seconds more often than not back then. So in theory this would give the Suns 3 x more possessions right? How much do u think this inflated his numbers? Honest question, not throwing shade.
@@ReaperCrew2682 so how many rings does Nash have hhhmmm? What were the Hornets before Paul, how about the Clippers, his impact on Houston, OKC wasn't even supposed to be a playoff team 🤔, turned Phoenix into a contender. That's my point it's always funny to me when cats use rings for certain players and then throw them away for others.
I think the NBA was making a statement and that’s “we’re looking at the whole person,” not just what they’re doing on the court. And yeah, I wish Shaq showed a little humility.
Here's what happened in 2005: Nash joined a 29 win Suns, he replaced Marbury and vet Penny Hardaway, they also acquired Nash's former Mavs teammate Raja Bell and they go on to win 62. So from a 29 win team adding Nash and Bell made them a 62 win team the best in the NBA that year. Shaq joined the Heat, a fourth place finisher in the East the year before, who was led by rookie DWade to a 1st round playoff win. So for those who forget DWade's greatness and celebrate CP3's rookie run, DWade actually did better than him in their rookie seasons. Both Heat and Suns lost in the conference finals. So with that, Nash has the edge and definitely deserves the MVP. In 2006: The Lakers not only had no business being in the playoffs that year, they should not have finished 7th in the West. This was the year Kobe scored 81 points and the Lakers almost upset the Suns (they were up 3-1) in the 1st round. I think they gave Nash the award because they beat the Lakers (this was the time the season MVP was given during the WCF/ECF, a way to narrow down who should receive the trophy) but if you think about it Kobe had a solid case there. All in all Nash also deserves the MVP but if it was up to me Kobe should've had this one.
2005 I say yes. 2006 not a chance
Idk about not a chance, but in 06 it’s a debate. 05 nash was the winner by a mile and deserved it but for kobe in 06 i’ll at least admit kobe has an argument
i’m a big fan man do you have any other social media platforms
I still think 06 has an argument for Nash but Kobe rised up that year and deserved. Made more of an impact than nash in 06. 05 Nash was premium though lol.
@@TheRealMindCrime Suns really made a splash in '05, they kinda came out of nowhere to become a top team in the already loaded West. It's really hard to argue against Nash in '05. For '06, as a Kobe & Lakers fan, I was really disappointed because it was apparent that "best player on best team" held greater weight than any individual performance. If Kobe couldn't win it in '06, I couldn't imagine what type of season an individual player had to have in order to win MVP on a bad team.
Nash did so much in 06 when you take into account the team lost Amare and Joe Johnson. I’m a team first guy and Nash’s impact both years had the biggest impact on winning in the lesgue
Nash definitely deserved both. It's all about winning and the suns were winning a lot. But if anyone should've gotten the 06 mvp instead of Nash it should've been Dirk
Dirk huh? Yeah he was ballin out at that time too
For me, Nash deserves his MVP awards, for Kobe, those Awards that he didnt get while appearing in 3 straight finals and won 2, he was the MVP on those 2 years(2009 and 2010).
Agreed
Kobe should have definitely gotten one of those
No
I'd give him 06
@@TheRealMindCrime idk about 06. But it was definitely 4 man race
How impactful he was from 2004 to 2010 ! He became my favorite PG since he started to break the shell with the mavs, but the right offense for him putted him on another level.
I would be interested by a face to face with Mark Price.
Him and Price were very similar!
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05 Suns and the Spurs were a clinic everytime. Something you'd watch to learn how to play the game, the right way.
Imo those games were showdowns of the best two teams in the league. We were their counter and they were ours. Always a battle
from 29 wins to 62 wins is actually a 110% improvement
insane. yeah he definitely earned that first mvp
Not really he got Marion and Stoudamire basically that's Dallas of Dirk and Michael Finley as well.
@kaksmirknight5318 so what did Amare and Marion do the year before?
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Marion and Amare were on the suns when they won 29 games.
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You should go back and check that again. Marbury was not hurt that season.
I’ve been waiting for this one great video. I do think Kobe had a very strong argument in 06 but 05 was a no brainer
Thank you! So many who say 05 wasn't deserved I get surprised cuz no 1 man had a bigger impact on a teams winning than him.
@ he made players I will say Amare and the matrix we good anyway but he made them much better
Nash was so good. Without him, I don’t think the Suns survive
In the spirit of MVP conversations, Jonny has a series of who was the real MVP (regular season and Finals)
Also, SKAP ATTACK has a new video called “Spoiled Brats continue to destroy the NBA”
nice!! and yeah, because of Nash we had a total resurgence in hoops here in AZ. All of us were rushing to someones house whenever possible to watch the show
@ absolutely! In favorite point guards - it’s always a battle between Steve Nash and Jason Kidd
Great topic. Kobe had the best stats in modern era but nashs suns were a well oiled machine but never made it to the finals. The lack of defense is enough to question whether he should have gotten those MVPs. In any case this was a competitive time in the league and it was a tough decision.
it was, 05-06 had a lot of great players at a high level. I miss those years
Oh man. I never realized how good Nash was. I’m pulling for Phoenix to win a championship.. I hope you get that soon. I got into the NBA during Kobe’s rookie year. The gal that I had been dating at that time , her dad was from Arizona so she had strong ties to Arizona and was a huge Suns’s fan. She sat with me through all those Lakers championships. What an amazing lady. Hope she’s doing well .😊 Blah blah blah anyway you’ll get that chip. 🏆
Oh wow fives. Sounds like a nice one you had then lol. Thanks for the phx love. I hope we get one eventually too man
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Fives your favorite clone?
Controversial.. his second MVP? maybe.... maybe...
His first tho? No way. He absolutely deserved it.
I mean he was the only major addition to a 29-53 record Phoenix (replacing marbury)... and turned them into the best record in the league.
absolutely. If that doesn't show "value" then i dunno what does lol
Let’s add to this debate that NBA is always looking where they can get eyes on the product; believe it or not they saw in increase viewership from Latin America because of Nash, by “pushing” screen time (promoting) Nash allowed an audience for Latin American to follow him. Remember that during that time NBA had to find ways to get back what they were losing because the viewership is important.
That being said as a player and what Nash did for that team Yes and Yes.
Well said and good points!
Nash deserved 05, but 06 was All Kobe
That seems to be the view of most of us according to these comments
@@TheRealMindCrime Nash was one of those dudes I loved to hate. Dude was so good. I was so hyped when he became a Laker. I just knew him and Kobe were getting a ring together
Nash was a late bloomer
yeah he really was. He just kept getting smarter and smarter til his body gave out
Nash to Phoenix and Jason Kidd to NJ turned those teams around. They infected those teams with teamwork like the old boston teams. I still remember that Amare block on Duncan in the playoffs 😲
I commented on the original video that Nash definitely deserved his 1st MVP cause he took a Suns team with the same players the previous year that only won 20 games and turned them into a 50+ win team.
You can argue that Kobe deserved the MVP over Nash cause he was having a statistically monster year but his Lakers team was still mid, on the other hand Nash took a team of 'role players' without Amare for the whole season and still got 50+ wins out of them and even made it to the Western Finals.
The MVP is usually given to the 'Best' player but sometimes it is given to the player who was most 'Important' to said team and without Nash that 05-06 Suns team would've been a non playoff team...heck they would've been last in their division or the Western Conference.
well said here. You nailed it
Yep. 29 wins to 62 wins. Incredible.
Love this
Can you do a reaction to the 2012 all star game where kobe shuts down lebron
Lots of subtle basketball psychology to break down in that video and its hilarious to see lebron cower when the true alpha dog is on the court
I did a long time ago but i should definitely revisit it soon
Appreciate it bro keep posting @TheRealMindCrime
Don't ask shaq 😂.
Nash gonna live rent free in his head forever.
Right? 😆
Nash deserved the first one but Kobe should have won the second one
I think so too these days
Letting iso Joe go is wild. Dude was clutch. Always good for a bucket and to take some stress away from Nash.
People dont understand that height and athleticism matters. It simply requires more skill for nash to play the way he plays.
Exactly. He had to use his speed, smarts, and handles to mess with the defense constantly
All respect to him, but we also have to acknowledge that he doesn't belong in the same sentence as Kobe. But, imagine Steve in the NBA today...sheesh
Nash was 4 FTs away from 6 consecutive 50/40/90 seasons
And he did average 51/44/91 those 6 seasons.
Haha. I just saw that he averaged 50/40/90 for a decade. 😂
Thats just insane. Especially being a pass first player
The mavericks kept right on trucking after Nash left. Amazing.
Phoenix went from middle of pack offense to #1 by far but went from low level defense to the bottom. Good with the bad?
Yeah. Defense has always been a problem here. Still is.
There's no question about it. Shaq went to a good team that was already being talked about as a future winner that had wade and in 2006 Kobe's team finished 7th. The mvp has nothing to do with who the best player is or Jordan would've won 10 mvps.
Steve Nash is my favorite NBA player of all time.
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@TheRealMindCrime likewise my friend
2005 nash definetely deserved it like he literally doubled his teams wins from last year but 2006 i gotta give it to kobe
Most people in the comments here seem to agree with us on this
Nash technically has 2 rings as a consultant with the Golden State Warriors in 2017 and 2018. Hey, they can't be worth less than Durant's 2 rings from the same run. 😂
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I liked Nash in Phoenix, they just couldnt get over the hump against the Spurs. 😁
Damn spurs. That Horry cheap shot will always be remembered lol
@@TheRealMindCrime horry was added to spurs for the dirty job and clutch time scoring, he is known for that.
@@TheRealMindCrime Horry does the dirty job for the spurs during those times. He even did TD dirty for snaking his wife. LoL
Nash deserved both MVP. It's not a popularity contest. Well it's not supposed to be.
I always gave it to nash cuz of all the winning we had because of him
I remember how good Nash was, kinda wish he stayed in Dallas with Nowitski. What might've been. I don’t know if I spelled it right?
I wish Nash would've won a ring. Whether in phx or dallas. I feel like between him and Dirk they would've done it at least once
05 he deserves it. 06 I don’t blame him for winning it too. It was definitely 4 man race and they gave it to him. I think cause he didn’t have Amare
Thats true. Also i think the whole country was watching the suns games thosr years. It was pure excitement and we all knew Nash was the little engine
@ True. That 06 season was so good. I miss that era of basketball
steph is gonna go down as the greatest shooter in history but i really liked shooters like nash, mullin and petro who had strong mid range game to go along with the 3s.
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Quick answer....Hell No. Either Kobe, Shaq or Duncan should have gotten it.
06 or both?
You realize Nash made Marion, JJ, Q-Rich and Stoudemire look so much better than they really were. Like all-star worthy. Those guys on other teams were mediocre at best.
No, to both mvp:s. Shaq told me. Did not watch back then but Shaq can`t be wrong
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I know this bring back great memories mindcrime but tremendous hurt especially that horry cheap shot the team should stay in there seats. Image nash rookie team in this small ball era with rex chapman a mcdyess❤
It truly was the best of times and the worst of times. But, i wouldn't trade those times in. Basketball brought a lot of joy to AZ during that time.
@@TheRealMindCrime i know this era that team would be the golden state warriors that be great western conference final nash first mvp season with joe johnson jim jackson stack stoudamire matrix against 2014 2015 curry first ring home court advantage will determine the series
Underrated/Overrated Nash was just the best at that time when he won 2 MVP"s. Kobe was deserving to win the 2nd one but he didn't.
Yeah Nash was so awesome in that era
I still think he looks like Tom Petty. 😂
For the algorithm.
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Steve Nash robbed Kobe. No way n Hell!!
Well, he didn't pick himself for mvp but i think the voters robbed Kobe in 06
I thought LeBron was your favorite player 😂
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@ bro there two video you absolutely need to watch LEBRON JAMES BEING TOP 2 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE (COOK SESSION) by crunch time . This guy knows his sheet.
@@TheRealMindCrime bro check out that video. It is amazing
Nah 06 is Kob
Thats what im thinking too. 05 nash 06 kobe
Funny how we just had this conversation the other day. Im ok with 05. 06 im not. Kobe was ripped off, PERIOD. He had Kwame Brown and Chris Mimm..... bunz azz Smush Parker i think? Some other bums who never did anything other than collect a paycheck as well. Nash wouldn't have won with those guys, they were not NBA standard players.
As for where he is rated? I have him above CP3 on my list of PG, mainly cuz i think CP3 is way overrated. And Nash does have those MVP's deservedly or not. Soooo.... idk man. He was a great player to have run your team though.
And D'Antoni i couldn't stand. I have to argue u on this. I think this is where the idea of todays NBA came from. Is it different yes, however the concept of being able to just take so many more shots and not play defense looks exactly the same. He did this crap everywhere he went, and every team looked the same doing it. Just like todays game. Jus sayin
Yeah ironically we were just talking about this lol. I agree about 06 and that he deserved it. The style of the 05 suns was cool though. Back then teams were still unique and played differently from each other so it was fun to have a run n gun team play during a very slow defensive era. What sucks is now everyone plays a boring version of this style. But I can't blame them for being original back then
It's hard to say CP3 is overrated when every team gets better when he's added to the roster.
@smittyque2567 no it's not. If every team he joins gets so much better tell me how many rings that man has won? And let's not act like he hasn't been on some really good teams. Clippers should've netted him bare minimum 1 ring alone. When I watch him play I see a really good PG not an all time PG.
Our opinions can differ and that's perfectly fine, which is why I said on MY LIST
@TheRealMindCrime I would love for to take a deep dive into how many more possessions per game they got running this style. Because I'm curious as to how many more assists this netted Nash? Because most teams took the shot clock down to 4 seconds more often than not back then. So in theory this would give the Suns 3 x more possessions right? How much do u think this inflated his numbers? Honest question, not throwing shade.
@@ReaperCrew2682 so how many rings does Nash have hhhmmm? What were the Hornets before Paul, how about the Clippers, his impact on Houston, OKC wasn't even supposed to be a playoff team 🤔, turned Phoenix into a contender. That's my point it's always funny to me when cats use rings for certain players and then throw them away for others.
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First! Winner!!! 🏆
I think the NBA was making a statement and that’s “we’re looking at the whole person,” not just what they’re doing on the court. And yeah, I wish Shaq showed a little humility.
Shaq wasn't even in the conversation that year for mvp lol. Hes nuts
Here's what happened in 2005:
Nash joined a 29 win Suns, he replaced Marbury and vet Penny Hardaway, they also acquired Nash's former Mavs teammate Raja Bell and they go on to win 62. So from a 29 win team adding Nash and Bell made them a 62 win team the best in the NBA that year.
Shaq joined the Heat, a fourth place finisher in the East the year before, who was led by rookie DWade to a 1st round playoff win. So for those who forget DWade's greatness and celebrate CP3's rookie run, DWade actually did better than him in their rookie seasons.
Both Heat and Suns lost in the conference finals.
So with that, Nash has the edge and definitely deserves the MVP.
In 2006:
The Lakers not only had no business being in the playoffs that year, they should not have finished 7th in the West. This was the year Kobe scored 81 points and the Lakers almost upset the Suns (they were up 3-1) in the 1st round. I think they gave Nash the award because they beat the Lakers (this was the time the season MVP was given during the WCF/ECF, a way to narrow down who should receive the trophy) but if you think about it Kobe had a solid case there.
All in all Nash also deserves the MVP but if it was up to me Kobe should've had this one.
Steve Nash has more mvps than kobe...what the fuq