I watched your video and having been a kayak angler for about 10 years you have done plenty of research in making your decision. You have considered the positives and negatives and made your decision. Good job!
Thanks for a great rundown of options. Some of those i've never heard of and looked like really nice boats. Here's some notes from my recent experience with Hobie I bought a 2011 Hobie Revo 11 as a first pedal drive yak.. Took it to the Chesapeake Bay and used a sail kit with my 45lb dog on the back and had a great time. Nice light kayak and stable enough that i used a 12' Hobie sail on it with my dog on the back and had no problems. Really like the front dry hatch and the original pedal drive is still very smooth and fast. For what a new Revo costs, i'm surprised at the lack of rigging, gear tracks, etc. I've had it out in some nasty water and it had zero issues... Fast forward to last year, i went to lancaster marine and bought a new Outback! When you look at all the Hobie models side by side, the Outback has it all. Its bigger and heavier but when you get out on the water, there's nothing like it. I'm 5'8" 160lb and its about all i can handle loading and launching by myself but there are techniques you can use and it gets easy once you do it a few times. I was recently out under the bay bridge in the deepest part of the bay fishing for stripers and the outback does it with ease. Reverse is something i'd almost say you need when fishing around bridge pylons and such. I wish it was easier to switch back and forth but it does work. Both pedals have to be lined up then you pull the cord and go. The Old Town PDL's were also at Lancaster Marine and we looked long and hard at those too. I'd love to try one especially due to the instance reverse.
Sounds like you confirmed my research - the Hobie Outback is pretty well rounded. Biggest drawbacks are the reverse and the price! Glad you're enjoying yours.
Native slayer Max 12.5~ or 10 is like the upgraded version of the regular propel drive kayaks. I like how they really cater to the fisherman by including plano box inserts, instant reverse (no lever needed to be pulled), great storage, side rod holders and vertical rod holders, with an included storage container that comes out underneath the seat, along with yak track systems all over the boat, really amazing bmx grips and battery box storage with transducer mounts and side wall plates (so you dont drill into your kayak). And they are ready to be upgraded with a trolling motor or anchor system. I was going to get a Hobbie, but I heard how much of a hassle it is to use the levers for reverse, and many people hate it when they hooked a fish and want to keep a hold on it while trying to pull the lever for reverse at the same time. Also, I heard hobbie drives break faster and are not as solid as the 701 drive that native has. More modifications need to be made, than a native which is already prepared for everything. And the drive is easily serviceable.
The Natives sound nice. I've been happy with the Hobie so far. I've definitely put the shallow water capabilities to use. The reverse is the only real drrawback so far. And maybe the cost... :)
My first kayak was a Wilderness Pungo 120. I was amazed how much easier and faster it was to paddle than my Bell Rockstar canoe. I wanted to try fishing so I bought a Wilderness Tarpon 120. Not quite as easy to paddle because it is 3” wider but still pretty efficient and noticeably more stable. Being an “elder statesmen” I decided a peddle drive was needed. I bought a Hobie Outback because I thought the “back and forth” peddle motion was much preferred to the normal bicycle type. I love the Hobie. Even got a Humminbird Helix fish finder. The two drawbacks compared to the Tarpon is it is so heavy I had to get a Malone Trailer, and even with the “flutter” pedal it is not as good in really shallow water. I fish saltwater marshes. I eventually bought a Bixpy electric drive which easily mounts on the back of the Hobie using the preinstalled inserts. The Bixpy is great to get from the launch to some distant fishing site, then use the peddles to fish. Also the Bixpy reverse allows you to back out of a tight spot or fight a big fish. I bought a spare mounting bracket and can now use it on my Tarpon. I even rigged up a mechanism to steer the drive since the Tarpon doesn’t have a rudder. I can go 4 mph in the Hobie and 6 mph in the Tarpon with about 20 miles of range if I run at moderate speed. The Hobie is more stable and comfortable, but the Tarpon is more nimble and much faster to setup and launch. Since I live on a bayou I tend to use the Tarpon more for quick outings. The drawback of Bixpy is it costs as much as a Tarpon. All kayaks are 2020 or newer.
I had been looking at the tarpons for a while - but ultimately decided on the Hobie myself. Appreciate you sharing your detailed thoughts and experiences. My one fishing trip in Lousiana was after we had made a few mission trips to the Houma / Bayou Terrebonne area to help rebuild after Katrina and Rita. I had a blast catching redfish while simultaneously exploring and documenting how much some of the marsh areas had been changed with one of the local relief effort leaders. I definitely look forward to getting back down there at some point.
I have the PA14 (2015) and an Outback (2017). The PA always goes in the truck first. Have not fished the Outback in years. It's my guest / spare kayak. Perhaps the PA is less than ideal in streams and rivers. I fish saltwater creeks and impoundments. But you will not regret your decision. Guarantee.
I could definitely see the PA being a great option - just for my needs seemed like the Ouyback was a better choice. Happy so far! Appreciate you sharing your experience!
I mainly fish super weedy lakes, and the mirage drive is phenomenal in that use case. I haven't used a prop drive kayak, but my buddies with trolling motors hate that lake in the late summer when water levels drop.
Outstanding rundown. I appreciate your take on each of them. I love how much the pedal market has evolved over the last 10 years with so much competition and innovation. All appear to be great choices for varying anglers and budgets. Would you mind time stamping each of the makes for easier reference in the future? I think that’d be very useful. Thanks for posting this one.
Good comments. I am sure you are enjoying your new yak by now. For others reading this, the Old Town PDLs have a break away latch if you hit something. Th latches are cheap and simple to replace on the water.
I’m also at the early stage of picking a fishing kayak. I am interested in all the water features but also transport and storage. I am hoping I can transport by securing inside my truck bed and stand it up vertically in my garage…lol Another issue is in streams with current..the portage of entry in the stream and exit if I can’t go against the stream to get back to my truck.
That last one is a big deal. Along with the vertical storage. That's a tough trek with a heavy kayak. Might be worth considering something like a Wenonah Solo Kevlar Canoe....
So, one thing I think you missed is native and bonafide uses the exact same drive which has a weed guard on it. While it doesn’t stop the entanglement 100%, it does keep weeds out of the unit so it’s super easy to undo if it does get tangled. Also, both are built to where if you hit something, you can give it were the drive just bumps up and won’t do any damage.
I own a nucanoe frontier with a pedal drive that uses the propeller and tried a few other but after borrowing my buddies Hobie PA 360 i can honestly say the hobie is my favorite to pedal.
Great analysis - here's my long-winded, but accurate, 2 cents! Late 60s here - I've been fishing with sit-on-top kayaks in SE Louisiana for about 12 yrs. Early in my kayak-fishing days I bought several used kayaks, some with pedal drives and others without. I have experience with a 2012 Outback, 2015 PA12, and love and continue to use my 7 yr old 2016 Native Slayer Propel 13 (only new one I've bought)! Since shallow grass beds are not my preferred fishing spots, I much prefer the instantaneous (truly hands free) forward/reverse capability of a propeller style drive. However, my Slayer will catch grass when present in shallow water! Now, my second point: DO NOT BUY A KAYAK THAT CANNOT BE PADDLED BACK TO THE LAUNCH IF THE DRIVE BREAKS! The new Hobies do have nice underwater obstruction protection - great! The mirage also handles grass much better than any propeller drive, but even they have limits in shallow, grassy water. My fishing buddy, did have his fairly new PA-14 drive fail a couple of times a long ways from the launch due to internal mechanical issues. No one wants to cover miles in a barge (i.e. PA-12 or PA-14) with no pedal drive! I towed him back in my Slayer a couple of times (and loved it, if you know what I mean)! I've effectively paddled my Slayer for 5 miles on a trip when my drive was in the shop (propel drive is not perfect, either). My bottom line here is: Whatever pedal drive you buy - be sure that you can paddle the kayak effectively for long distances. If I was picking Outback or PA today, the decision would be Outback for paddling efficiency. I also think that your great selection of propeller-driven kayaks in this video include some kayaks that are more stable than the Outback. Good luck!
Appreciate your feedback. I agree that most fot he kayaks I was looking at were easier to paddle if needed, and also more efifcient overall because I plan to fish upstream quite often. I do hope to try out a lot of the other manufacturers this year as well.
You did your homework on this for sure! I think you will be very happy with a peddle kayak no matter which one you choose. I do wish there was one that was closer to the 60-70lb range but idk if that exists.
Switching to a pedal drive doubled my hooksets Due to the fact that I can start peddling backwards before I set the hook. The same way you take a step back on shore before you set the hook. Also being able to hit reverse without having to reach down and switch gears like the hobies, Is a major plus also
@Angling with Aaron Also, the drive floats. I've seen many craigslist ads where people have found Hobie drives And are trying to find the rightful owners. I also felt that I wasn't buying a kayak, I was buying a warranty. 5 years on the drive and lifetime on the hull was unmatched. I did research for a year And used it for Over 2 years And the only legit complain I have is steering response. Other than that, it's everything I was looking for. It's also no worthy that I fish flat water And I don't get into the weeds too often.
Have you ever looked at the Feel Free line up? I have a Lure 2 Tandem with the peddle drive. This kayak is 14ft long. I can do rivers and open water with ease. Customer service is great and the price is good for every budget.
I know you made this review a year ago. I'm really looking at Old Town 106 or 120 pdl.... I stopped the review... at 4.30 minutes ... I fast forward to the first one. I will give your review of one year ago a good honest watch so I will start over. This nothing but your review. As a consumer for the bang vs... performance, the development, designs... the overall. I know it's a kayak... not a boat. I am looking for the options available.... that's not spoke well of is a game brake... I don't hear her anout a lot of fishing kayaks. Seems oldtown is the one. Expensive but... it's really the most dry and stable for a lake. Really is one of the hardest to tip and one of the ones easy to get back into. Anyway, for your review... I will watch.
Also when choosing a kayak, consider what type of waters your fishing (rivers, lakes -big/small, remoteness etc) and if you plan on doing any tournaments. I say this because bigger heavier kayaks are a pain to load and unload. Although I’m on Team Bonafide, I would be more than happy to help you decide on a new rig. 👊🏼🎣
Exactly. That's why the PA, as nice as it is, is simply a non-starter for me. That and the price. And funny, a few years ago the knock on the Bonafide SS127 people gave when I was considering it was that it was too heavy, But with most pedal drives, they are heavier than the SS127! I do see a lot more trailers for kayaks these days too... Appreciate the comment.
The PDL system of Old Town is designed so that if you do get a hit from under, the securing knob will break off thus not damaging the drive. I always turn the knob half/half so that if it happens ( happend 1 time so far) , you can still use the other half to secure the drive. I now carry around spares just in case.
@@AaronHuntFishing my hips can't handle the pushing ( stair master)of the mirage drive..awesome vessels that I'd like to test for a day but up here in Quebec, we don't get demo days. tight lines my friend
I was lucky to find a pristine used Hobie PA12 about 5 years ago. I fish 5 or 6 days a week May to Oct on lakes in Ontario, Canada. (Lake Trout, walleye, pike, bass) Last year I upgraded to the 180 drive with kick up fins, expensive but 100% worth it, and it handles very, very weedy areas like a champ. I'm in my 60s and cartop my pa12 no problem. The drive is very efficient, I can cruise at 3mph easily and push it to 4 mph if needed. On my bigger lakes I can travel up to 3 miles to get to the area I'll fish, fish till the sun starts to drop and head back to the launch. I'm 230lb and find the pa12 to be very stable in choppy conditions. If I'm fishing a potentially good spot on the shoreline, I'll often put it in reverse before making my first cast, getting ready to back that first fish away from the structure and avoid drifting in and ruining the spot. I've also fished from canoes and this kayak is far superior, more stealthy and less wind sensitive. If I somehow lost or broke this one, I'd go buy another tomorrow.
In a lot of the kayak review community, Old Town has replaced Hobie as the best brand. Hobie's reliability and customer service has REALLY gone downhill. I own a Perception pilot myself, and it has a few minor annoyances, but has been a great "starter" kayak for me...also, the fins on the Hobies are great, but there is no instant reverse (or any device at all depending on which drive you get)...this is a show stopper for myself and many fishermen. instant reverse is essential. especially for river fishing.
Yep - the instant reverse was clearly my main concern, and the only real drawback for me after a year of using the Hobie. But, the shallow-running and kick-up fins came in handy more often than the moments of me wishing I had instant reverse. I think my "ideal" kayak is a fleet of 5. :P
Hey people seem to really like the old town big water PDL from what I see on TH-cam reviews. It has more of a v hull design which makes it more ideal for ocean use and rougher waves than the top water and other more flat hull designs. It’s still plenty stable enough for any use case though. I managed to buy one used for 50% off new but it took time and negotiating for sure.
You can find new 2022 Hobie Outback for under 3k. I paid 2800 for my 2022 Outback back in Oct 2022. Just gotta look around. One thing I've noticed is you can negotiate price with the dealers, which I didn't know.
@@JumbleTronChannel Thanks! It's on my calendar. You know, sometimes I don't really know the day or date anymore. Just realized yesterday my watch was a day behind...course I can't see that date without my glasses on anyway, so.... ;P
Not a bad video. I do think instead of mentioning Native’s entry level pedal drive kayak in the Standard Slayer you could have focused more on the Slayer Max and the Titan which add more features and benefits especially if you are mentioning it against the a Hobie.
I could have I guess. I mentioned the model I see in my area the most often. And since the drive system was the main differentiator for how I fish, trim levels and such didn't much matter. I didn't do an exhaustive dig on all the different options each kayak offered, especially if it was one I wasn't interested in buying. And over the years Native just hasn't been one that impressed me. But at least it got mentioned, unlike several other brands! :P Thanks for the comment.
Hi Aaron! From your videos, which I'm just starting to dive into, I think we might be frequenting the same destination but from different directions. I've been fly fishing from a Hobie inflatable i12s off and on for the last five years; it has a Mirage Drive 180 (reverse gear), but doesn't have the kick-up fins. I've had a lot of enjoyment using it, and have even done a couple multi-day backcountry fishing trips where it performed well. One thing, though, with Hobie, I'd recommend that you do some research into basic maintenance on the pedal-drive and rudder systems. They are reliable enough that I do backcountry trips, but I have had to do some field repairs and adjustments along the way (I carry my pump, emergency patch kit, extra fins and masts and the appropriate tools). I use the reverse gear a lot when cruising shorelines and reading surface topography in search of fish. While the kayak has a pretty tight turning radius, the reverse drive is essential for backing out of good water (before you cruise over it) and giving you more chances to cast to target structure or fish. I've been enjoying your videos, as I'm trying to learn about bait casting and eventually BFS. in order to expand fishing opportunities. And I wouldn't give up your kevlar canoe too quickly, if you like getting into more remote spots where I'm told the fish are bigger and more plentiful. Tight lines!
Appreciate the comments and feedback. The Kevlar canoe is long gone. But after a couple years of not having a solo fishing craft, it was time for another. I’ll look into the maintenance and work on assembly of a spares kit this year. Glad you’re enjoying the videos.
I've been using a cheap 800$ pelican getaway for the last 1.5 years and it's been great for a cheap pedal yak to get me out on the water to chase fish. I'm upgrading to a perception crank prop drive for having instant reverse.
So after your review... you want that kayak... you just dont wanna pay full price. Welcome to the club. Hope you got it. I think Old Town is just as good for a river not a creek. I dont intend in river fishing with it but if I do... its very controlled... its very much less likely to tip. 12 foot long fishing kayak is really for that. Whatever you desire for a creek.... is like a monster truck in a mud puddle? Where are you trying to commit suspended animations? I have to see this? So I will be back.
So what I'm hearing you say is ,you haven't fished or you have very limited experience fishing out of a kayak? It appears you are basing your opinions on what you have gathered thru research . Consider this if you fish HEAVY grass and Lilly pads. How do you propose to clear the fins or propeller of a pedal drive system once you get a 5 gallon bucket size good of grass wrapped around them or perhaps a 3/4" stems of Lilly pads and the pad itself wrapped around the drive. You will not be able to bring it up through the opening !!!. Also consider this concerning your age , I'm 65 , while fishing do you want to constantly be peddling/ positioning yourself while using another hand for rudder control? Where do you set stuff in front of you that won't constantly be in the way of the pedals. The 180 drive I believe has to be manually switched from forward to reverse for direction changes. You went from considering a $1000.00 yac to a $5000:00 yac without ever saying you actually tried one out. It's like someone who's never Fly Fished giving their opinion on the top ten trout flies based on what they see and hear on Y-tube? I fish out of a yac and you really seem to be missing some of the more basic concerns in purchasing a yac other than the drive system . The majority of the type of water and it's cover is more important than most people realize when first purchasing a yac please consider this reality and factor in physical restrictions present and to come before spending large $$$ on a yac. It's very tiring to view a video when someone speaks of things but has no admitted practical experience to back his discussion. Are you physically able and willing to right and re- enter a large heavy pedal drive kayak in adverse conditions? Trust me they don't seem to flip on calm days. But you will do what you want so I wish you a safe journey with your choice. Be safe 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🇺🇲🇺🇲
So Froggy, this was a year ago. i fished out of the Hobie kayak all last year- my previous experience was boating and canoeing. I can say that fishing Kayaks are much more stable than either kevlar or vintage wood and canvas canoes. I mentioned my kayak experience was limited to a perception (and maybe menmtioend ocean kayaks at the beach for a few years). I had zero of the problems you worried about. The Hobie performed exactly as my extensive research had indicated - which is kind of the point of good research and weighing pros and cons. I have no issues pedaling and controlling the rudder - even while fighting a fish. If you check my latest video - you'll see I plan for 2024 on getting back into shape to run 6 days a week - so pedaling a kayak is no biggie. In fact it's good exercise. And the type of water I fish and the cover are pretty much the exact reasons I decided on the Hobie. The weight and transporting it were the biggest concerns. It's like you didn't watch the video. It gets very tiring people making detialed comments on a video when the things they mention were covered in the vid ... everybody seems to think they're the expert, right? I simply shared my experience and my decision makign process - and didn't say "This is the best kayak for YOU." It's the one that made the most sense for me. And after a year - it still does. I saved my review for the end of the year: th-cam.com/video/Ux7zJRlcoRs/w-d-xo.html I admitted my positon and that was the point of the research - sharing my process and hopefully helping others. Data and information are helpful in decision-making as well - you don't have to wait 6 months for a demo day and go try every possible kayak and pay top prices in-season because you waited to expereince it instead of trusting your intelligence and the experience of others you trust. If I were to get back into fly fishing, I 100% would do research to understand what the best flies are for my area and I would buy the top recommend flies. And I'd probably share my findings on my cahnnel. And then give a follow-up review. Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you want to help other anglers make better decisions and elarn from your process and possible mistakes? From there you can experiement with what looks cool or new patterns. But flies are a couple bucks. Kayaks are a couple grand. Good research seems even more improtant unless you just have too much money. And FYI - paragraphs make reading long tirades like yours easier... Appreciate the comment and the algo bump...
I love to fish. And for me... I think the Old Town is the best... would he alright. I love to swim. It's sorta a playground on the water and in the small lakes around that I always fished, even if I get dumped I know I can flip it. I would never desire something that's not really water ready. I would honestly wanna see anyone take one of them Old Town fliped over that sinks? For fishing and just a personal it's really a no brainer. I think it's a reasonable thing. A personal water craft without anything. Reaching over $3000 I could buy a boat. And a truck to pull it.
The best thing with weed situations, is the simple fact that you can always pull your prop out while in the boat and clear any blockages with ease. Personally I've seen more with the Native Titan Propel than most models. And that includes grown men standing on the bow tip to show it's stability (depending on the model and a persons balance). I tend to not worry much about the used market as some of the best brands and models, to my knowledge, are yaks that guys hold onto for 3-5 years of consistent use. While Hobie is arguably the "king" of the kayak fishing world, I feel like you generally pay more just for the name. They just always seem to have a $500-$1000 markup over other brands comparable but that also depends on my opinion but my two cents.
Agree Hobie commands a premium, but the drive is at least fundamentally different. And as I said, everything is a trade off. And I could probably be happy with the most budget option I mentioned in the Perception Pilot as well. The only reason I pay attention to the used market is that is how I tend to save money . :p. Appreciate the thoughts. Good info for others to consider.
I've owned an older Outback (after a few years of use sold it for what I payed for it!) and at present my son has 22 Outback, I also have an older PA, and a Lynx (love the Lynx). The design of the rudder on the new kayaks makes it hard to load without the risk of damage, especially by yourself. So work that out before you buy.
The price for the Hobbie is pretty steep to be sure but if I am gonna spend the money on a peddle Yak, the Outback is probably a sure thing and well worth the added cost! I looked at the Pro-Angler's and Adventure Island's but they are very heavy for the additional space and weight capacity they give you over the Outback and cost a lot more! Been fishing from Yaks on the ocean and larger lakes as well as more protected waters since about 1995. When I up grade from my Prowler 13, it will be a Outback if I dont just break down and get a Jon Boat (I aint 19 anymore!).
Retracting fins/pedals and transducer or not- I don’t use a pedal kayak on streams or rivers. I’ve done river kayaking for years and there is *no way* to win a race with a big rock in current.
Thank you Aaron, I enjoyed this video. I notice you said that the Hobie Pro Angler 14 might be too large for the areas you sometimes fish. Have you considered that it also comes in a 12 foot version?
I have. It's a good bit larger than the outback at that size, and is not very efficient at moving upstream in rivers. The outback has been great so far.
Would love to get into a kayak but just don’t think it’s a very feasible option for Southern California sadly. Maybe for salt fishing but I have a very healthy fear of sharks haha 😆. I’ll probably look into float tubes at some point but even that might not see much use as I’d probably only use them in the sierras. Wish we had some nice wide open flats or more water sources to use kayaks in. Anyhow much luck with the kayak search and Cheers!
Thanks man. It's kind of amazing how far kayaks have come is just a handful of years! There's a lot of water I don't fish because I really need a boat of some sort - so the kayak will open up a lot of new water for me.
@@AaronHuntFishing ooc how are you planning on transporting said kayak? Seems like a lot of work? I haven’t the slightest clue when it comes to that kinda stuff.
@@AaronHuntFishing interesting… seems like a whole new level of fishing. The payoff seems pretty high though. Wish there were more freshwater bodies around here that allowed for that kind of fishing. In any case good luck with the search as it seems like a fun project customizing kayaks and getting them dialed in. Cheers!
I live just north of the OBX in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. So I am looking for kayak that is light weight and easy to transport to fish the sounds and Chesapeake Bay tributaries. Not a tournament fisherman but I want a kayak capable of doing some fishing and just recreational paddling/pedaling for the exercise and enjoyment of being out on the water.
@@stevesafety6743 Guess it depends on your definition of "light". The Outback is a great kayak for that area. I'll be using mine with a cart for transport. Maybe check out the Vibe Shearwater too.
Good job,i have a question :) I never fished from kayak,but if you don’t have trailer for kayak how hard is to put it on the roof on the car and stuff like that? Thank you
It’s doable. Easier the lighter it is. And the lower the car roof! Make sure you have decent roof racks. There are racks made for kayaks that can make it easier. I’m using a truck and carrying it in the bed, but we carry our canoe atop a Jeep.
Bonafide isn’t stable as the others mention. Pescador is a good yak and tracks well in the water. If you want a good pdl yak look at vibe shearwater, it’s outstanding for the price and quality. Vibe has a lot of quality yaks. Don’t buy a hobie they aren’t honoring the warranty because they are almost out of business.
Interestigng perspective. Will be curious how the Hobie thing shakes out - I only saw one speculative video that was based on a warranty claim for a replacement hull not bought from a dealer so far though.
The Hobies are def nice, but if Im spending that much on a new one, Id rather just buy a boat. Used would be the way to go for one. Been fishing in my old town 120 the last 3 years and it fits me just fine. Not a thing I dont like about it.
Good Eye - It is a Lauterbach, but it is known has Heavy Duty - H202. I took the photo the last event the Rick Beatty drove the boat. Unfortunately he died during a practice session a couple weeks later. It's been one of my favorite vintage hydros for quite a while.
@@AaronHuntFishing Dad used to crew on Miss Madam Blue in the 70's. I believe she was a 2.6L. Used to hit most all the limited hydro races in Washington state. Fond memories.
just got a jackson coosa FD gonna buy the upgraded rudder for it 30 bucks...got the Kayak for 1500.00 with yak anchor system and c tug trolley..got a great deal...!!!
My first time Kayaking and this Kayak held strong. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4k5UrhC3v_Y4hIEaXLGvHcN5a5aBmZNB The water got pretty rough as a speed boat zipped by me, and the Kayak withstood it (I expected to be capsized). The Ores are very easy to put together, the pump worked beautifully. the seats are a bit hard to sit in after a while (I recommend sitting on the floor). after reading the reviews I was very scared it'd get a hole in it, the material is very strong and durable. The Air valve may need a small Phillips head screwdriver to adjust, other than that, it's well worth the money!(update)I've gone Kayaking in 3 Lakes and 2 rivers totaling about 40 miles. the kayak had two holes and they patched easily and no other problems can't wait for kayaking season this year!
I may eventually, but having never owned a kayak, it wasn't a primary concern. I excluded any models that had clear, verifiable issues that seemed worse than normal. I chose to buy from a reputable, long-time dealer in case I needed support (which I haven't). Every decent brand has it's imperfections and it's fan boys. Like I said, there is no perfect fishing kayak. But, since you bring it up - after a year of owning the Outback, banging the fins off of stumps, logs and rocks on a regular basis, "fluttering" my way through shallows far too often, getting all the benefits of the kick up fins I expected to need, and dragging it up and down the bank, I'm happy with the purchase. Next year I MIGHT add an inflatable paddleboard for small lakes and ponds and truly skinny creeks which haven't been practical to kayak and to take with me on certain trips with air travel.
@@troyclayton8659 My take on that was to consider PM and use case. And again, to trust my dealer more than the brand and folks on the interwebs. Non-pedal drive is less prone to problems...
We can always use more money right? Whenever I'd ask My father in law about buying something. he used to say "geets" - as in you need more money to "geets" stuff. :)
Actually NuCanoe's pedal drive seemed the most complex, so i immediately discounted it. They seem to be more focused on the powered market. So maybe they have "all kinds of motor options" is a better perspective. But appreciate the comment.
Yeah, I kinda decided it was going to be similar to canoeing / sailing / boating in general - there really is no instantaneous reverse - that is the potential downside over prop drives. There is no perfect kayak that does everything "the best".
@@AaronHuntFishing If I pull up to a promising bass structure in my pa12 with the 180 Mirage drive, I put it in reverse before my first cast so I can back that first fish away from the spot and not ruin it by drifting over top of the fish or otherwise disturbing the other fish.
Disagree. I started with a Kevlar canoe for fishing, still have a wood and canvas for exploring. But the fishing Kayak is a much better fishing-specific craft.
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I watched your video and having been a kayak angler for about 10 years you have done plenty of research in making your decision. You have considered the positives and negatives and made your decision. Good job!
Thank you. Much appreciated. year 1 has been a blast - now to consider accesories! :P
Thanks for a great rundown of options. Some of those i've never heard of and looked like really nice boats. Here's some notes from my recent experience with Hobie
I bought a 2011 Hobie Revo 11 as a first pedal drive yak.. Took it to the Chesapeake Bay and used a sail kit with my 45lb dog on the back and had a great time. Nice light kayak and stable enough that i used a 12' Hobie sail on it with my dog on the back and had no problems. Really like the front dry hatch and the original pedal drive is still very smooth and fast. For what a new Revo costs, i'm surprised at the lack of rigging, gear tracks, etc. I've had it out in some nasty water and it had zero issues... Fast forward to last year, i went to lancaster marine and bought a new Outback! When you look at all the Hobie models side by side, the Outback has it all. Its bigger and heavier but when you get out on the water, there's nothing like it. I'm 5'8" 160lb and its about all i can handle loading and launching by myself but there are techniques you can use and it gets easy once you do it a few times. I was recently out under the bay bridge in the deepest part of the bay fishing for stripers and the outback does it with ease. Reverse is something i'd almost say you need when fishing around bridge pylons and such. I wish it was easier to switch back and forth but it does work. Both pedals have to be lined up then you pull the cord and go. The Old Town PDL's were also at Lancaster Marine and we looked long and hard at those too. I'd love to try one especially due to the instance reverse.
Sounds like you confirmed my research - the Hobie Outback is pretty well rounded. Biggest drawbacks are the reverse and the price! Glad you're enjoying yours.
Native slayer Max 12.5~ or 10 is like the upgraded version of the regular propel drive kayaks.
I like how they really cater to the fisherman by including plano box inserts, instant reverse (no lever needed to be pulled), great storage, side rod holders and vertical rod holders, with an included storage container that comes out underneath the seat, along with yak track systems all over the boat, really amazing bmx grips and battery box storage with transducer mounts and side wall plates (so you dont drill into your kayak). And they are ready to be upgraded with a trolling motor or anchor system.
I was going to get a Hobbie, but I heard how much of a hassle it is to use the levers for reverse, and many people hate it when they hooked a fish and want to keep a hold on it while trying to pull the lever for reverse at the same time. Also, I heard hobbie drives break faster and are not as solid as the 701 drive that native has. More modifications need to be made, than a native which is already prepared for everything.
And the drive is easily serviceable.
The Natives sound nice. I've been happy with the Hobie so far. I've definitely put the shallow water capabilities to use. The reverse is the only real drrawback so far. And maybe the cost... :)
My first kayak was a Wilderness Pungo 120. I was amazed how much easier and faster it was to paddle than my Bell Rockstar canoe. I wanted to try fishing so I bought a Wilderness Tarpon 120. Not quite as easy to paddle because it is 3” wider but still pretty efficient and noticeably more stable. Being an “elder statesmen” I decided a peddle drive was needed. I bought a Hobie Outback because I thought the “back and forth” peddle motion was much preferred to the normal bicycle type. I love the Hobie. Even got a Humminbird Helix fish finder. The two drawbacks compared to the Tarpon is it is so heavy I had to get a Malone Trailer, and even with the “flutter” pedal it is not as good in really shallow water. I fish saltwater marshes. I eventually bought a Bixpy electric drive which easily mounts on the back of the Hobie using the preinstalled inserts. The Bixpy is great to get from the launch to some distant fishing site, then use the peddles to fish. Also the Bixpy reverse allows you to back out of a tight spot or fight a big fish. I bought a spare mounting bracket and can now use it on my Tarpon. I even rigged up a mechanism to steer the drive since the Tarpon doesn’t have a rudder. I can go 4 mph in the Hobie and 6 mph in the Tarpon with about 20 miles of range if I run at moderate speed. The Hobie is more stable and comfortable, but the Tarpon is more nimble and much faster to setup and launch. Since I live on a bayou I tend to use the Tarpon more for quick outings. The drawback of Bixpy is it costs as much as a Tarpon. All kayaks are 2020 or newer.
I had been looking at the tarpons for a while - but ultimately decided on the Hobie myself. Appreciate you sharing your detailed thoughts and experiences.
My one fishing trip in Lousiana was after we had made a few mission trips to the Houma / Bayou Terrebonne area to help rebuild after Katrina and Rita. I had a blast catching redfish while simultaneously exploring and documenting how much some of the marsh areas had been changed with one of the local relief effort leaders.
I definitely look forward to getting back down there at some point.
I have the PA14 (2015) and an Outback (2017). The PA always goes in the truck first. Have not fished the Outback in years. It's my guest / spare kayak. Perhaps the PA is less than ideal in streams and rivers. I fish saltwater creeks and impoundments. But you will not regret your decision. Guarantee.
I could definitely see the PA being a great option - just for my needs seemed like the Ouyback was a better choice. Happy so far! Appreciate you sharing your experience!
I mainly fish super weedy lakes, and the mirage drive is phenomenal in that use case. I haven't used a prop drive kayak, but my buddies with trolling motors hate that lake in the late summer when water levels drop.
Good to hear. I'm always trying to fish where it's tough for others to get to.... ;P
Yup, same. My PA12 is great in even very weedy areas!
Outstanding rundown. I appreciate your take on each of them. I love how much the pedal market has evolved over the last 10 years with so much competition and innovation. All appear to be great choices for varying anglers and budgets.
Would you mind time stamping each of the makes for easier reference in the future? I think that’d be very useful. Thanks for posting this one.
Great point. I'll do that this weekend! Appreciate the nice feedback.
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I have the Hobie Compass with a Bixby Jet drive on it. It’s a game changer. I would highly recommend the Bixby on any Hobie.
Yeah, those look cool!
Good comments. I am sure you are enjoying your new yak by now. For others reading this, the Old Town PDLs have a break away latch if you hit something. Th latches are cheap and simple to replace on the water.
Absoulutely- Starting year 2 on the Hobie Outback.
Glad you chose one you like. The Outback is an excellent choice. Fishing from a kayak is pretty awesome
Im struggling trying to find the best kayak for me but this video just made my life simpler thanks
Hey, great to hear. Enjoy the kayak, and good luck on your hunt.
I’m also at the early stage of picking a fishing kayak. I am interested in all the water features but also transport and storage. I am hoping I can transport by securing inside my truck bed and stand it up vertically in my garage…lol Another issue is in streams with current..the portage of entry in the stream and exit if I can’t go against the stream to get back to my truck.
That last one is a big deal. Along with the vertical storage. That's a tough trek with a heavy kayak. Might be worth considering something like a Wenonah Solo Kevlar Canoe....
So, one thing I think you missed is native and bonafide uses the exact same drive which has a weed guard on it. While it doesn’t stop the entanglement 100%, it does keep weeds out of the unit so it’s super easy to undo if it does get tangled. Also, both are built to where if you hit something, you can give it were the drive just bumps up and won’t do any damage.
Good to know!
I own a nucanoe frontier with a pedal drive that uses the propeller and tried a few other but after borrowing my buddies Hobie PA 360 i can honestly say the hobie is my favorite to pedal.
I've been really enjoying the Hobie so far. Still hoping to try out some of the others this year with some other guys.
I've been looking at the live free moken. It has a built-in in wheel in the Keel for easier transport from car to water
Yep - heard good things about that one too.
Great analysis - here's my long-winded, but accurate, 2 cents! Late 60s here - I've been fishing with sit-on-top kayaks in SE Louisiana for about 12 yrs. Early in my kayak-fishing days I bought several used kayaks, some with pedal drives and others without. I have experience with a 2012 Outback, 2015 PA12, and love and continue to use my 7 yr old 2016 Native Slayer Propel 13 (only new one I've bought)! Since shallow grass beds are not my preferred fishing spots, I much prefer the instantaneous (truly hands free) forward/reverse capability of a propeller style drive. However, my Slayer will catch grass when present in shallow water! Now, my second point: DO NOT BUY A KAYAK THAT CANNOT BE PADDLED BACK TO THE LAUNCH IF THE DRIVE BREAKS! The new Hobies do have nice underwater obstruction protection - great! The mirage also handles grass much better than any propeller drive, but even they have limits in shallow, grassy water. My fishing buddy, did have his fairly new PA-14 drive fail a couple of times a long ways from the launch due to internal mechanical issues. No one wants to cover miles in a barge (i.e. PA-12 or PA-14) with no pedal drive! I towed him back in my Slayer a couple of times (and loved it, if you know what I mean)! I've effectively paddled my Slayer for 5 miles on a trip when my drive was in the shop (propel drive is not perfect, either). My bottom line here is: Whatever pedal drive you buy - be sure that you can paddle the kayak effectively for long distances. If I was picking Outback or PA today, the decision would be Outback for paddling efficiency. I also think that your great selection of propeller-driven kayaks in this video include some kayaks that are more stable than the Outback. Good luck!
Appreciate your feedback. I agree that most fot he kayaks I was looking at were easier to paddle if needed, and also more efifcient overall because I plan to fish upstream quite often. I do hope to try out a lot of the other manufacturers this year as well.
You did your homework on this for sure! I think you will be very happy with a peddle kayak no matter which one you choose. I do wish there was one that was closer to the 60-70lb range but idk if that exists.
Yeah, the weight is the drawback. Hopefully it just keeps me in a little better shape!
@@AaronHuntFishing Hobie Lynx 45 lbs
Native watercraft Slayer propel 10 around 65lbs , this is the original 10 not there new Max.
@@nashguy2814 awesome
Switching to a pedal drive doubled my hooksets Due to the fact that I can start peddling backwards before I set the hook. The same way you take a step back on shore before you set the hook. Also being able to hit reverse without having to reach down and switch gears like the hobies, Is a major plus also
Makes sense. After a couple trips on the Hobie, I'm starting to get the feel for when to switch directions...
@Angling with Aaron Also, the drive floats. I've seen many craigslist ads where people have found Hobie drives And are trying to find the rightful owners. I also felt that I wasn't buying a kayak, I was buying a warranty. 5 years on the drive and lifetime on the hull was unmatched. I did research for a year And used it for Over 2 years And the only legit complain I have is steering response. Other than that, it's everything I was looking for. It's also no worthy that I fish flat water And I don't get into the weeds too often.
Have you ever looked at the Feel Free line up? I have a Lure 2 Tandem with the peddle drive. This kayak is 14ft long. I can do rivers and open water with ease. Customer service is great and the price is good for every budget.
I think early on I looked at the Feel Free Lure, but didn't check out the peddle drives. Aprreciate the tip.
I know you made this review a year ago. I'm really looking at Old Town 106 or 120 pdl.... I stopped the review... at 4.30 minutes ... I fast forward to the first one. I will give your review of one year ago a good honest watch so I will start over. This nothing but your review. As a consumer for the bang vs... performance, the development, designs... the overall. I know it's a kayak... not a boat. I am looking for the options available.... that's not spoke well of is a game brake... I don't hear her anout a lot of fishing kayaks. Seems oldtown is the one. Expensive but... it's really the most dry and stable for a lake. Really is one of the hardest to tip and one of the ones easy to get back into. Anyway, for your review... I will watch.
Old town is definitely a good kayak.
Also when choosing a kayak, consider what type of waters your fishing (rivers, lakes -big/small, remoteness etc) and if you plan on doing any tournaments. I say this because bigger heavier kayaks are a pain to load and unload. Although I’m on Team Bonafide, I would be more than happy to help you decide on a new rig. 👊🏼🎣
Exactly. That's why the PA, as nice as it is, is simply a non-starter for me. That and the price. And funny, a few years ago the knock on the Bonafide SS127 people gave when I was considering it was that it was too heavy, But with most pedal drives, they are heavier than the SS127! I do see a lot more trailers for kayaks these days too...
Appreciate the comment.
Which one is best for brackish water I’m looking a kayak to fish in the Indian River here in Florida
@@321thach I'd still say the Hobie Outback.
The PDL system of Old Town is designed so that if you do get a hit from under, the securing knob will break off thus not damaging the drive. I always turn the knob half/half so that if it happens ( happend 1 time so far) , you can still use the other half to secure the drive. I now carry around spares just in case.
There are plusses and minuses to every system it seems. Definitely see advantages to the "instant" Reverse after a couple battles in the Hobie.
@@AaronHuntFishing my hips can't handle the pushing ( stair master)of the mirage drive..awesome vessels that I'd like to test for a day but up here in Quebec, we don't get demo days. tight lines my friend
@@experimentalfishing1292 wish we could do a meet up! almost every other drive is a bicycle drive,, so anything else might work!
I was lucky to find a pristine used Hobie PA12 about 5 years ago. I fish 5 or 6 days a week May to Oct on lakes in Ontario, Canada. (Lake Trout, walleye, pike, bass) Last year I upgraded to the 180 drive with kick up fins, expensive but 100% worth it, and it handles very, very weedy areas like a champ. I'm in my 60s and cartop my pa12 no problem. The drive is very efficient, I can cruise at 3mph easily and push it to 4 mph if needed. On my bigger lakes I can travel up to 3 miles to get to the area I'll fish, fish till the sun starts to drop and head back to the launch. I'm 230lb and find the pa12 to be very stable in choppy conditions. If I'm fishing a potentially good spot on the shoreline, I'll often put it in reverse before making my first cast, getting ready to back that first fish away from the structure and avoid drifting in and ruining the spot. I've also fished from canoes and this kayak is far superior, more stealthy and less wind sensitive. If I somehow lost or broke this one, I'd go buy another tomorrow.
Man, love the pro tip about popping it into reverse before the first cast. Awesome. Great info for all.
In a lot of the kayak review community, Old Town has replaced Hobie as the best brand. Hobie's reliability and customer service has REALLY gone downhill. I own a Perception pilot myself, and it has a few minor annoyances, but has been a great "starter" kayak for me...also, the fins on the Hobies are great, but there is no instant reverse (or any device at all depending on which drive you get)...this is a show stopper for myself and many fishermen. instant reverse is essential. especially for river fishing.
Yep - the instant reverse was clearly my main concern, and the only real drawback for me after a year of using the Hobie. But, the shallow-running and kick-up fins came in handy more often than the moments of me wishing I had instant reverse. I think my "ideal" kayak is a fleet of 5. :P
Hey people seem to really like the old town big water PDL from what I see on TH-cam reviews. It has more of a v hull design which makes it more ideal for ocean use and rougher waves than the top water and other more flat hull designs. It’s still plenty stable enough for any use case though. I managed to buy one used for 50% off new but it took time and negotiating for sure.
Yep, it's definitely a popular choice. Great you found one at a good price!
You can find new 2022 Hobie Outback for under 3k. I paid 2800 for my 2022 Outback back in Oct 2022. Just gotta look around. One thing I've noticed is you can negotiate price with the dealers, which I didn't know.
Agreed. I ended up getting mine for a great price. ;P Seems to be easier to deal in the winter too!
Great info in this video Aaron. I didn't realize how many options there are! I am sure others will find this very useful!
Thanks man. Yeah, there are a lot of kayaks and these were just the ones I was most interested in. Looking forward to your Livestream Wednesday night!
@@AaronHuntFishing Tomorrow night!!! Wednesday!!!
@@JumbleTronChannel Thanks! It's on my calendar. You know, sometimes I don't really know the day or date anymore. Just realized yesterday my watch was a day behind...course I can't see that date without my glasses on anyway, so.... ;P
@@AaronHuntFishing You sound like my parents!
@@JumbleTronChannel Well, thanks... :P
Not a bad video. I do think instead of mentioning Native’s entry level pedal drive kayak in the Standard Slayer you could have focused more on the Slayer Max and the Titan which add more features and benefits especially if you are mentioning it against the a Hobie.
I could have I guess. I mentioned the model I see in my area the most often. And since the drive system was the main differentiator for how I fish, trim levels and such didn't much matter. I didn't do an exhaustive dig on all the different options each kayak offered, especially if it was one I wasn't interested in buying. And over the years Native just hasn't been one that impressed me. But at least it got mentioned, unlike several other brands! :P Thanks for the comment.
@@AaronHuntFishing I can understand your rationale. Just wanted to through that out there is all. Again nice job on the video, very informative.
Great breakdown
Thanks. Appreciate the comment and the sub.
Hi Aaron! From your videos, which I'm just starting to dive into, I think we might be frequenting the same destination but from different directions. I've been fly fishing from a Hobie inflatable i12s off and on for the last five years; it has a Mirage Drive 180 (reverse gear), but doesn't have the kick-up fins. I've had a lot of enjoyment using it, and have even done a couple multi-day backcountry fishing trips where it performed well. One thing, though, with Hobie, I'd recommend that you do some research into basic maintenance on the pedal-drive and rudder systems. They are reliable enough that I do backcountry trips, but I have had to do some field repairs and adjustments along the way (I carry my pump, emergency patch kit, extra fins and masts and the appropriate tools).
I use the reverse gear a lot when cruising shorelines and reading surface topography in search of fish. While the kayak has a pretty tight turning radius, the reverse drive is essential for backing out of good water (before you cruise over it) and giving you more chances to cast to target structure or fish.
I've been enjoying your videos, as I'm trying to learn about bait casting and eventually BFS. in order to expand fishing opportunities. And I wouldn't give up your kevlar canoe too quickly, if you like getting into more remote spots where I'm told the fish are bigger and more plentiful. Tight lines!
Appreciate the comments and feedback. The Kevlar canoe is long gone. But after a couple years of not having a solo fishing craft, it was time for another. I’ll look into the maintenance and work on assembly of a spares kit this year. Glad you’re enjoying the videos.
I have HooDoo 120 Impulse, pedal fin drive ….no reverse…but great kayak n price $1200. Great customer service n warranty dept .
Sounds like another great option...
I've been using a cheap 800$ pelican getaway for the last 1.5 years and it's been great for a cheap pedal yak to get me out on the water to chase fish. I'm upgrading to a perception crank prop drive for having instant reverse.
I think you'll enjoy the perception.
So after your review... you want that kayak... you just dont wanna pay full price. Welcome to the club. Hope you got it. I think Old Town is just as good for a river not a creek. I dont intend in river fishing with it but if I do... its very controlled... its very much less likely to tip. 12 foot long fishing kayak is really for that. Whatever you desire for a creek.... is like a monster truck in a mud puddle? Where are you trying to commit suspended animations? I have to see this? So I will be back.
I got it 18 months ago for the price I wanted. Been very happy. It has handled the skinny water very well.
@AaronHuntFishing I really am jealous. Thanks for your review.
So what I'm hearing you say is ,you haven't fished or you have very limited experience fishing out of a kayak? It appears you are basing your opinions on what you have gathered thru research . Consider this if you fish HEAVY grass and Lilly pads. How do you propose to clear the fins or propeller of a pedal drive system once you get a 5 gallon bucket size good of grass wrapped around them or perhaps a 3/4" stems of Lilly pads and the pad itself wrapped around the drive. You will not be able to bring it up through the opening !!!. Also consider this concerning your age , I'm 65 , while fishing do you want to constantly be peddling/ positioning yourself while using another hand for rudder control? Where do you set stuff in front of you that won't constantly be in the way of the pedals. The 180 drive I believe has to be manually switched from forward to reverse for direction changes. You went from considering a $1000.00 yac to a $5000:00 yac without ever saying you actually tried one out. It's like someone who's never Fly Fished giving their opinion on the top ten trout flies based on what they see and hear on Y-tube? I fish out of a yac and you really seem to be missing some of the more basic concerns in purchasing a yac other than the drive system . The majority of the type of water and it's cover is more important than most people realize when first purchasing a yac please consider this reality and factor in physical restrictions present and to come before spending large $$$ on a yac. It's very tiring to view a video when someone speaks of things but has no admitted practical experience to back his discussion. Are you physically able and willing to right and re- enter a large heavy pedal drive kayak in adverse conditions? Trust me they don't seem to flip on calm days. But you will do what you want so I wish you a safe journey with your choice. Be safe 🐸🐸🐸🐸🐸🇺🇲🇺🇲
So Froggy, this was a year ago. i fished out of the Hobie kayak all last year- my previous experience was boating and canoeing. I can say that fishing Kayaks are much more stable than either kevlar or vintage wood and canvas canoes. I mentioned my kayak experience was limited to a perception (and maybe menmtioend ocean kayaks at the beach for a few years).
I had zero of the problems you worried about. The Hobie performed exactly as my extensive research had indicated - which is kind of the point of good research and weighing pros and cons.
I have no issues pedaling and controlling the rudder - even while fighting a fish.
If you check my latest video - you'll see I plan for 2024 on getting back into shape to run 6 days a week - so pedaling a kayak is no biggie. In fact it's good exercise.
And the type of water I fish and the cover are pretty much the exact reasons I decided on the Hobie. The weight and transporting it were the biggest concerns. It's like you didn't watch the video. It gets very tiring people making detialed comments on a video when the things they mention were covered in the vid ... everybody seems to think they're the expert, right?
I simply shared my experience and my decision makign process - and didn't say "This is the best kayak for YOU." It's the one that made the most sense for me. And after a year - it still does.
I saved my review for the end of the year: th-cam.com/video/Ux7zJRlcoRs/w-d-xo.html
I admitted my positon and that was the point of the research - sharing my process and hopefully helping others. Data and information are helpful in decision-making as well - you don't have to wait 6 months for a demo day and go try every possible kayak and pay top prices in-season because you waited to expereince it instead of trusting your intelligence and the experience of others you trust.
If I were to get back into fly fishing, I 100% would do research to understand what the best flies are for my area and I would buy the top recommend flies. And I'd probably share my findings on my cahnnel. And then give a follow-up review. Why wouldn't you do that? Why wouldn't you want to help other anglers make better decisions and elarn from your process and possible mistakes?
From there you can experiement with what looks cool or new patterns. But flies are a couple bucks. Kayaks are a couple grand. Good research seems even more improtant unless you just have too much money.
And FYI - paragraphs make reading long tirades like yours easier...
Appreciate the comment and the algo bump...
Glad you can afford high $ yak!
I used to love to ride bikes... road and off.... it's really something I really enjoy.
I love to fish. And for me... I think the Old Town is the best... would he alright. I love to swim. It's sorta a playground on the water and in the small lakes around that I always fished, even if I get dumped I know I can flip it. I would never desire something that's not really water ready. I would honestly wanna see anyone take one of them Old Town fliped over that sinks? For fishing and just a personal it's really a no brainer. I think it's a reasonable thing. A personal water craft without anything. Reaching over $3000 I could buy a boat. And a truck to pull it.
The best thing with weed situations, is the simple fact that you can always pull your prop out while in the boat and clear any blockages with ease. Personally I've seen more with the Native Titan Propel than most models. And that includes grown men standing on the bow tip to show it's stability (depending on the model and a persons balance). I tend to not worry much about the used market as some of the best brands and models, to my knowledge, are yaks that guys hold onto for 3-5 years of consistent use. While Hobie is arguably the "king" of the kayak fishing world, I feel like you generally pay more just for the name. They just always seem to have a $500-$1000 markup over other brands comparable but that also depends on my opinion but my two cents.
Agree Hobie commands a premium, but the drive is at least fundamentally different. And as I said, everything is a trade off. And I could probably be happy with the most budget option I mentioned in the Perception Pilot as well. The only reason I pay attention to the used market is that is how I tend to save money . :p. Appreciate the thoughts. Good info for others to consider.
I have a lot of luck just peddling and reverse. That seems to clear my prop well as long as I do it before it's too clogged up
I've owned an older Outback (after a few years of use sold it for what I payed for it!) and at present my son has 22 Outback, I also have an older PA, and a Lynx (love the Lynx). The design of the rudder on the new kayaks makes it hard to load without the risk of damage, especially by yourself. So work that out before you buy.
I've found a cart has been really helpful, and Hobie includes a loading block which seems to do a decent job of protecting the rudder.
The price for the Hobbie is pretty steep to be sure but if I am gonna spend the money on a peddle Yak, the Outback is probably a sure thing and well worth the added cost! I looked at the Pro-Angler's and Adventure Island's but they are very heavy for the additional space and weight capacity they give you over the Outback and cost a lot more! Been fishing from Yaks on the ocean and larger lakes as well as more protected waters since about 1995. When I up grade from my Prowler 13, it will be a Outback if I dont just break down and get a Jon Boat (I aint 19 anymore!).
I did get the outback, and only had it out twice now that spring has finally arrived. No regrets!
Retracting fins/pedals and transducer or not- I don’t use a pedal kayak on streams or rivers. I’ve done river kayaking for years and there is *no way* to win a race with a big rock in current.
I've definitely been cautious about current so far. Figuring out what the kayak can do.
Do you have a follow up review of the hobie? im thinking of getting my first kayak and it's near the top of my list.
Yes I do! Here's my review from the end of last season. Still fishing it this year as well with no issues. th-cam.com/video/Ux7zJRlcoRs/w-d-xo.html
@@AaronHuntFishing Thank you, Just yesterday I bought my Outback. going to hit the lake this friday for the first time.
I love my '21 outback with bixpy j2, produces alot of fish tacos 😊😊😍😍
Nice to hear. I'm enjoying mine as well!
The peddles are a hindrance when getting untangled. I still find myself going to the paddle to get out of snags.
I have done that also. And recently got my line around the rudder. That was a nightmare!
Why did you leave out the nucanoe unlimited
Wasn't on my radar, and the pivot drive system looked odd with the extra cables.
Just get something you like and install a trolling motor on it. You can run a fish finder of of the battery as well
Probably no trolling motor for me. Fish finder, yes.
Thank you Aaron, I enjoyed this video. I notice you said that the Hobie Pro Angler 14 might be too large for the areas you sometimes fish. Have you considered that it also comes in a 12 foot version?
I have. It's a good bit larger than the outback at that size, and is not very efficient at moving upstream in rivers. The outback has been great so far.
What do you think about oldtown 106?
It's a fine kayak. I was looking at 12' models due to better efficiency in rivers. Otherwise, the 106 has the same overall capabilities of the 120.
Ever considered a Vibe Shearwater 125? Very similar drive to the Hobie
Nope. Didn't really get on my radar.
Would love to get into a kayak but just don’t think it’s a very feasible option for Southern California sadly. Maybe for salt fishing but I have a very healthy fear of sharks haha 😆. I’ll probably look into float tubes at some point but even that might not see much use as I’d probably only use them in the sierras. Wish we had some nice wide open flats or more water sources to use kayaks in. Anyhow much luck with the kayak search and Cheers!
Thanks man. It's kind of amazing how far kayaks have come is just a handful of years! There's a lot of water I don't fish because I really need a boat of some sort - so the kayak will open up a lot of new water for me.
@@AaronHuntFishing ooc how are you planning on transporting said kayak? Seems like a lot of work? I haven’t the slightest clue when it comes to that kinda stuff.
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Truck bed for hauling. Will probably pick up a Wilderness Systems cart for transport back and forth from the truck to the water.
@@AaronHuntFishing interesting… seems like a whole new level of fishing. The payoff seems pretty high though. Wish there were more freshwater bodies around here that allowed for that kind of fishing. In any case good luck with the search as it seems like a fun project customizing kayaks and getting them dialed in. Cheers!
@@BFSFISHINGCHANNEL Thanks again. I have high hopes for a much more productive year!
Do fish Chesapeake bay or the Currituck Sound? Your hat in the video is an OBX village.
I have fished the Currituck Sound. Corolla is one of our favorite vacation destinations!
I live just north of the OBX in the Hampton Roads area of Virginia. So I am looking for kayak that is light weight and easy to transport to fish the sounds and Chesapeake Bay tributaries. Not a tournament fisherman but I want a kayak capable of doing some fishing and just recreational paddling/pedaling for the exercise and enjoyment of being out on the water.
@@stevesafety6743 Guess it depends on your definition of "light". The Outback is a great kayak for that area. I'll be using mine with a cart for transport. Maybe check out the Vibe Shearwater too.
Thoughts on fin drive vs prop drive?
Might add pedal drive, or paddle boat to your header.... i came here looking for kayaks.
already there - twice in the first 4 sentences. Thanks for the algo bump... good luck on your hunt.
Good job,i have a question :) I never fished from kayak,but if you don’t have trailer for kayak how hard is to put it on the roof on the car and stuff like that? Thank you
It’s doable. Easier the lighter it is. And the lower the car roof! Make sure you have decent roof racks. There are racks made for kayaks that can make it easier. I’m using a truck and carrying it in the bed, but we carry our canoe atop a Jeep.
Bonafide isn’t stable as the others mention. Pescador is a good yak and tracks well in the water. If you want a good pdl yak look at vibe shearwater, it’s outstanding for the price and quality. Vibe has a lot of quality yaks. Don’t buy a hobie they aren’t honoring the warranty because they are almost out of business.
Interestigng perspective. Will be curious how the Hobie thing shakes out - I only saw one speculative video that was based on a warranty claim for a replacement hull not bought from a dealer so far though.
The Hobies are def nice, but if Im spending that much on a new one, Id rather just buy a boat. Used would be the way to go for one. Been fishing in my old town 120 the last 3 years and it fits me just fine. Not a thing I dont like about it.
Cool - good to hear! Appreciate the comment.
Is that a pic of the laturbach special over your right shoulder?
Good Eye - It is a Lauterbach, but it is known has Heavy Duty - H202. I took the photo the last event the Rick Beatty drove the boat. Unfortunately he died during a practice session a couple weeks later. It's been one of my favorite vintage hydros for quite a while.
@@AaronHuntFishing Dad used to crew on Miss Madam Blue in the 70's. I believe she was a 2.6L. Used to hit most all the limited hydro races in Washington state. Fond memories.
@@jamespierson9312 I grew up on them in the 70's and 80's as well. Now only hit 1-2 races per year usually.
Check out Lightening Nomad Kayak.
happy to check them all out.
Too bad this was a year ago. I was gonna say to just take a look at the the FeelFree Dorado V2
I routinely look at new models, so appreciate the comment.
just got a jackson coosa FD gonna buy the upgraded rudder for it 30 bucks...got the Kayak for 1500.00 with yak anchor system and c tug trolley..got a great deal...!!!
Sounds awesome - be safe and enjoy!
My first time Kayaking and this Kayak held strong. th-cam.com/users/postUgkx4k5UrhC3v_Y4hIEaXLGvHcN5a5aBmZNB The water got pretty rough as a speed boat zipped by me, and the Kayak withstood it (I expected to be capsized). The Ores are very easy to put together, the pump worked beautifully. the seats are a bit hard to sit in after a while (I recommend sitting on the floor). after reading the reviews I was very scared it'd get a hole in it, the material is very strong and durable. The Air valve may need a small Phillips head screwdriver to adjust, other than that, it's well worth the money!(update)I've gone Kayaking in 3 Lakes and 2 rivers totaling about 40 miles. the kayak had two holes and they patched easily and no other problems can't wait for kayaking season this year!
Thanks - I've been enjoying it so far.
You aren't going too talk about durability and parts availability!! Thanks
I may eventually, but having never owned a kayak, it wasn't a primary concern. I excluded any models that had clear, verifiable issues that seemed worse than normal. I chose to buy from a
reputable, long-time dealer in case I needed support (which I haven't). Every decent brand has it's imperfections and it's fan boys. Like I said, there is no perfect fishing kayak.
But, since you bring it up - after a year of owning the Outback, banging the fins off of stumps, logs and rocks on a regular basis, "fluttering" my way through shallows far too often, getting all the benefits of the kick up fins I expected to need, and dragging it up and down the bank, I'm happy with the purchase.
Next year I MIGHT add an inflatable paddleboard for small lakes and ponds and truly skinny creeks which haven't been practical to kayak and to take with me on certain trips with air travel.
@AnglingwithAaron I have been in the market for a fishing kayak !but research shows durability is not good and parts are not cheep.
@@troyclayton8659 My take on that was to consider PM and use case. And again, to trust my dealer more than the brand and folks on the interwebs. Non-pedal drive is less prone to problems...
Personally I find the only "best" in kayaks is the one you find "best" for you!!!
Excellent point. I think I said int he video, they all have tradeoffs.
I think I am going to get the Hobie pa14.
I fish more lakes than rivers though.
Makes perfect sense. I fish mostly creeks and streams, lakes and rivers are secondary.
I’m I retested in nucanoe. Just need more money.
We can always use more money right? Whenever I'd ask My father in law about buying something. he used to say "geets" - as in you need more money to "geets" stuff. :)
Aaron I am in the same boat no pun intended...lol
After fishing on several trips, I have to think you will absolutely enjoy it whichever model you pick!
I just bought a old town sportsman 120. Pick it up tomorrow. I’m selling my BKC RA 220 11’5” it has issues.
Enjoy the Old Town!
@@AaronHuntFishing thx you too
nucanue has better cayaks whit all type of propulsion with better prices
Actually NuCanoe's pedal drive seemed the most complex, so i immediately discounted it. They seem to be more focused on the powered market. So maybe they have "all kinds of motor options" is a better perspective. But appreciate the comment.
Good luck trying to go on reverse right away
Yeah, I kinda decided it was going to be similar to canoeing / sailing / boating in general - there really is no instantaneous reverse - that is the potential downside over prop drives. There is no perfect kayak that does everything "the best".
@@AaronHuntFishing If I pull up to a promising bass structure in my pa12 with the 180 Mirage drive, I put it in reverse before my first cast so I can back that first fish away from the spot and not ruin it by drifting over top of the fish or otherwise disturbing the other fish.
Hope you have not bought yet. Get out in an OldTown before you buy. There's a reason the OldTown is used by some top notch fishermen.
About 3 months too late - bought the Hobie. very happy, but hoping to try them all.
@@AaronHuntFishing Cool.. there's really no wrong choice in what you were looking at. Enjoy.
... 20lb weight on a rope = no more movement in the water...
Yep - after a year of fishing the kayak "naked", an anchor of some sort is very handy. :)
canoes are better
Disagree. I started with a Kevlar canoe for fishing, still have a wood and canvas for exploring. But the fishing Kayak is a much better fishing-specific craft.
Lk...i like
Appreciate the support!
The Vibe Makana 100
Looks like a great option!