My theory is that the forward cant is to compensate for misaligned trunnions found commonly on the rifle versions. I angled down the Warsaw Pact rail i bolted to my rifle as well. But not to compensate for 500m bullet drop, but rather so the FFP POSP reticle remained centered in the FOV when zeroing at 100m. Because the barrel on my rifle is not only canted to the right, but also down lol
Can't say I'm a huge fan of the forward cant on TI's rail, or the one for the DMR. I understand the logic/purpose behind that, but it's just so aesthetically unpleasant. What I am more interested in here is that brass deflector you have on your DMR. It obviously 'floats' on a hinge that use the carrying handle bracket thingy, but I'd still like to get a closer look for sure.
Don't know if you have the funds, but TI has confirmed the side mount rail that ships with the Kobra red kit is different then the one for the Picatinny kit. The Kobra rail may fit some of your Eastern Bloc optics, and may we'll be missing the cant sideways on the Pic rail mount. Maybe you can convince them to send you a mounting plate? It would give further notice to their product.
@@gnutzguy If I find out TI is selling the Kobra side mount plate separately, I will post it here. A fellow on CGN has speculated the Kobra rail should work with any ComBloc mount that has a universal rear stop, but not the SVD front stop. We will see. Thanks!
An update for you @Gnutzguy ; CGN members have procured the Kobra kit, and have fit non-TI 1913 mounts and other scopes mounts on the Kobra plate without issue. It has been described as an AK-universal style mount side plate. TI continues to refuse to sell the Kobra side rail separately from the scope. I suspect this is attempt to recoup their R&D in developing their variant of no drill mount. Proposal for you; do you have a spare non-TI universal AK mounting plate, or could you somehow fabricate one , that could be tapped and threaded in the proper spots to attach to the TI threaded hammer and trigger pins? Or have 3-d printed plastics become strong enough you could reproduce a printed copy of the plate, and then drill it out like the Foxstrap Type 81 to VZ stock adapter? I don't have the firearm or the money to procure one, so just suggesting this as a possible video subject. Thanks!
I think the offset might be ur mount i just got one and it is centered not off to the left but I do still have the small wings on the rail like yours i think the qc might be off a bit i do have to say i had to use a rubber mallet for the first 5 times off and on it was so tight now it is rock solid and straight as an arrow
Hi! How it is going on right now? I have got Vz58 and wanna put red dot on it. Please share your experience using side rail for this. Any wobbling, or different problems?
no wobble bcos its uses 3 screws. since you are using red dot and if yours is a fixed stock Optic ready with high VZ58 mount then check out my Gnutzguy's no drill side mount- 3 pins... th-cam.com/video/L2b79LsUOnQ/w-d-xo.html . much easier to make.
That doesn't look like a POSP style mount, but alright. Personally, I'd tell you to steer clear of mount sold for less than a hundred dollars. I bought six mounts to test out (each pricier than the last) and I ended up using the priciest of them all (NPZ Universal AK mount). The locking mechanism is probably the greatest determining factor, and the one used by TI's mount is kinda jank in my opinion. In any case, forget mounts that say 'SVD' or 'Forward Stop' in their name as they 100% will not fit TI's mount. Anything with a central locking cam also won't (recognizable by a brass colored lever in the middle that throws sideway) unless you modify the rail. You want a rear stop, always. The ohhunt mount can be found on aliexpress for even cheaper, which is an immediate disqualification in my book. But, if you're still willing to thread that silk road, you can now find RS Regulate-type repros on aliexpress. If you want to actually buy a real PSO/POSP, then you're looking at 300 to 400 dollars for the scope with integrated mount at the very least. Don't buy repro made for airsoft, and try to see if whatever you're buying was made by BelOMO or NPZ. Disregard with extreme prejudice if it isn't. The optic game is an easy field to waste money in. 99% of the time it's better to save up and buy the pricier option than to try and shirk with cheaper alternatives. P.S. Same with regular mounts, don't buy PSO/POSP scopes with SVD-type stops (sometime also labelled SKS-type). Look for 'AK' or 'Universal' (though not everything labelled Universal will do either). That is, unless you slap on your own side rail unto the receiver, in which case your options aren't as limited if you got an appropriate rail (or if you are willing to modify it). My own rail sits almost in the exact same spots as the one on Gnutzguy's DMR, but a bit lower. Can't use mounts with a forward stop lug, but I got no problem with central locking cams.
there was a rare type of red dot that mount on the rear of the receiver for T81 (only less than a thousand) it was never mass-produced for an unknown reason. And even some people who work in the Chinese small arms system don't have more information about it. the Chinese-made SVD( type 79 and 85) has a stability problem on the side rail. Until QBZ95 and QBU88 use dovetail rail.
@@gnutzguy yeah Chinese army never considered to adopt it. It might be just for research purposes. Chinese army favorite the Swarovski on the AUG, so the scope come with QBZ95 is a LP non-VO
I don't know, all I know is I can not find anyone that has one in stock. I'm thinking of fabricating one myself. Though it would be by hand as I don't have machining equipment
@@jw791plus3 it can be done. do it in two stages. attached a proper thickness blank plate to the threaded holes then attached the side plate to the blank plate.
Are you or anyone you know selling one of these Type 81 picatinny mounts?? I have been searching for one to purchase and its been a struggle to say the least..
It is one of the few semi-automatic magazine-fed centerfire rifles that are both very reliable and affordable (from the dealer at least), and surprisingly good performance. Unfortunately, especially since 2020, our options of having comparable rifles are limited to say the least, and with the exception of the Type 97 (which I am also looking for), other rifles with similar characteristics will range from $2500 to $5000 or more. I have encountered malfunctions on the B&T APC223 I used to have, and also on my CZ Bren 2 Ms in 5.56 which I still have, but never have I ever ran into any kind of stoppage from my Type 81 despite putting more rounds through it than both the others combined, of which most were ungodly surplus ammunition of questionable origin, and very good accuracy can be achieved using decent loads such as Hornady Black SST; and of course, it is a fraction of the price of the others I mentioned.
does your pivoting smaller lock has tension? not the locking bigger lever. if it does then this is extra. if no tension then its for the pivoting smaller lock. see if you slide it in thru the gap.
@@pznili thats your opinion. we in canada are not as lucky as you, you got the whole country's backing... we have to adapt with what we have. you have a nice day.
My theory is that the forward cant is to compensate for misaligned trunnions found commonly on the rifle versions. I angled down the Warsaw Pact rail i bolted to my rifle as well. But not to compensate for 500m bullet drop, but rather so the FFP POSP reticle remained centered in the FOV when zeroing at 100m. Because the barrel on my rifle is not only canted to the right, but also down lol
thank you so much for this video almost bought off tactical imports the optics ready version thinking I could mount any side mount
Lol, no .... They should have cancelled production of the $200 Picatinny side rail after the 4th shipment of OR version .
They cancelled the Picatinny rail kit too soon, when they are two more shipments of OR still to arrive.
For underfolder type 81,is it possible to fold the stock with a side rail scope mount on it?
See my T81M video.
Send me the link 👍
Is their a link you can share for that mount? thanks
Can't say I'm a huge fan of the forward cant on TI's rail, or the one for the DMR. I understand the logic/purpose behind that, but it's just so aesthetically unpleasant.
What I am more interested in here is that brass deflector you have on your DMR. It obviously 'floats' on a hinge that use the carrying handle bracket thingy, but I'd still like to get a closer look for sure.
good eye, its made from 3/4" copper pipe, unfolded and some what flatten. bolted to the carrying handle bracket, might as well make it useful.
I came up with that idea long time ago , I sell them the screw on type
It might be the side rails you were using, a guy on Reddit posted his LMG with a Midwest Industries AK rail adapter on the the Tac Imports mount.
The MI rail isn't the issue, it's with other ak47 standard rails.
Don't know if you have the funds, but TI has confirmed the side mount rail that ships with the Kobra red kit is different then the one for the Picatinny kit. The Kobra rail may fit some of your Eastern Bloc optics, and may we'll be missing the cant sideways on the Pic rail mount. Maybe you can convince them to send you a mounting plate? It would give further notice to their product.
i dont mind spending $200 to review a new accessory but not more. like all new product improvements are expected. gen 2 is coming, lol.
@@gnutzguy If I find out TI is selling the Kobra side mount plate separately, I will post it here. A fellow on CGN has speculated the Kobra rail should work with any ComBloc mount that has a universal rear stop, but not the SVD front stop. We will see. Thanks!
An update for you @Gnutzguy ; CGN members have procured the Kobra kit, and have fit non-TI 1913 mounts and other scopes mounts on the Kobra plate without issue. It has been described as an AK-universal style mount side plate.
TI continues to refuse to sell the Kobra side rail separately from the scope. I suspect this is attempt to recoup their R&D in developing their variant of no drill mount.
Proposal for you; do you have a spare non-TI universal AK mounting plate, or could you somehow fabricate one , that could be tapped and threaded in the proper spots to attach to the TI threaded hammer and trigger pins? Or have 3-d printed plastics become strong enough you could reproduce a printed copy of the plate, and then drill it out like the Foxstrap Type 81 to VZ stock adapter?
I don't have the firearm or the money to procure one, so just suggesting this as a possible video subject. Thanks!
I think the offset might be ur mount i just got one and it is centered not off to the left but I do still have the small wings on the rail like yours i think the qc might be off a bit i do have to say i had to use a rubber mallet for the first 5 times off and on it was so tight now it is rock solid and straight as an arrow
interesting, on the forum the dealer said the cant was put in deliberately but here you are with no cant, go figure.
Can you please make a video on how u tuned ur trigger on your type 81 lmg
im a bit busy cos i got several vid in the works already. maybe if i get a break.
Hi! How it is going on right now? I have got Vz58 and wanna put red dot on it. Please share your experience using side rail for this. Any wobbling, or different problems?
no wobble bcos its uses 3 screws. since you are using red dot and if yours is a fixed stock Optic ready with high VZ58 mount then check out my Gnutzguy's no drill side mount- 3 pins... th-cam.com/video/L2b79LsUOnQ/w-d-xo.html . much easier to make.
Let me know if you grind those bumps on the TI rail down, if it corrects the left canter. I feel like you're about to haha. Thanks.
since your're the first to mention it, i think you should volunteer, lol.
I got a POSP style scope mount on ebay that fit on the side rail for 50$
What us the link for it?
@@hunter5369 ohhunt Tactical 25.4mm 30mm Side Scope Mount Ring w/ Defense Quick Detach System
That doesn't look like a POSP style mount, but alright. Personally, I'd tell you to steer clear of mount sold for less than a hundred dollars. I bought six mounts to test out (each pricier than the last) and I ended up using the priciest of them all (NPZ Universal AK mount). The locking mechanism is probably the greatest determining factor, and the one used by TI's mount is kinda jank in my opinion. In any case, forget mounts that say 'SVD' or 'Forward Stop' in their name as they 100% will not fit TI's mount. Anything with a central locking cam also won't (recognizable by a brass colored lever in the middle that throws sideway) unless you modify the rail. You want a rear stop, always.
The ohhunt mount can be found on aliexpress for even cheaper, which is an immediate disqualification in my book. But, if you're still willing to thread that silk road, you can now find RS Regulate-type repros on aliexpress.
If you want to actually buy a real PSO/POSP, then you're looking at 300 to 400 dollars for the scope with integrated mount at the very least. Don't buy repro made for airsoft, and try to see if whatever you're buying was made by BelOMO or NPZ. Disregard with extreme prejudice if it isn't. The optic game is an easy field to waste money in. 99% of the time it's better to save up and buy the pricier option than to try and shirk with cheaper alternatives.
P.S. Same with regular mounts, don't buy PSO/POSP scopes with SVD-type stops (sometime also labelled SKS-type). Look for 'AK' or 'Universal' (though not everything labelled Universal will do either). That is, unless you slap on your own side rail unto the receiver, in which case your options aren't as limited if you got an appropriate rail (or if you are willing to modify it). My own rail sits almost in the exact same spots as the one on Gnutzguy's DMR, but a bit lower. Can't use mounts with a forward stop lug, but I got no problem with central locking cams.
@@axelord4ever well with the scope on it kinda looks like a POSP and it is very close in design to the one from tactical imports
I have the no screw mount on my type 81 and it shoots fantastically, very accurate and holds zero.
please let me know after half a dozen trips. im interested in long term.
Have excatcly the same magnetic tray from princessauto...
lol
there was a rare type of red dot that mount on the rear of the receiver for T81 (only less than a thousand) it was never mass-produced for an unknown reason. And even some people who work in the Chinese small arms system don't have more information about it.
the Chinese-made SVD( type 79 and 85) has a stability problem on the side rail. Until QBZ95 and QBU88 use dovetail rail.
i have seen that red dot mount combo in the net but visually, i dont believe it will work bcos its top heavy and no solid footing.
@@gnutzguy yeah Chinese army never considered to adopt it. It might be just for research purposes. Chinese army favorite the Swarovski on the AUG, so the scope come with QBZ95 is a LP non-VO
@@blackcatpack I also believe it was done for research, same for the T81 underfolder. I seen lots of pics but no actual soldiers using them.
I have a vz 2008 and can not find anyone that has the complete side mount and rail
i had three last year but sold one. was there much imported into the US?
I don't know, all I know is I can not find anyone that has one in stock. I'm thinking of fabricating one myself. Though it would be by hand as I don't have machining equipment
@@jw791plus3 it can be done. do it in two stages. attached a proper thickness blank plate to the threaded holes then attached the side plate to the blank plate.
Are you or anyone you know selling one of these Type 81 picatinny mounts?? I have been searching for one to purchase and its been a struggle to say the least..
Any luck?
Have you checked gunpost?
u telling me they are selling ali experss rails for 250?
No, not just the rail. you are also getting a mount and two pins for $200. I said the mount has a Canadian manufacturer's name on it.
Can I ask how to remove bipod and handle from lmg
On either side of the barrel are two roll pins, just punch one out. The carrying handle pin that connect to the bracket needs to be drilled out.
@@gnutzguy thank you so much！
I want the pso-1 scope. Is it mountable?
check this out. th-cam.com/video/JVl-MZQ7b2M/w-d-xo.html
Is the lmg version bent a bit as well?
none visually.
As Chinese, I am curious about how do you guys favor 81? Just it’s like ak?
Well, we are not allowed AK47 so if i want an AK? this is it, no choice.
It is one of the few semi-automatic magazine-fed centerfire rifles that are both very reliable and affordable (from the dealer at least), and surprisingly good performance.
Unfortunately, especially since 2020, our options of having comparable rifles are limited to say the least, and with the exception of the Type 97 (which I am also looking for), other rifles with similar characteristics will range from $2500 to $5000 or more.
I have encountered malfunctions on the B&T APC223 I used to have, and also on my CZ Bren 2 Ms in 5.56 which I still have, but never have I ever ran into any kind of stoppage from my Type 81 despite putting more rounds through it than both the others combined, of which most were ungodly surplus ammunition of questionable origin, and very good accuracy can be achieved using decent loads such as Hornady Black SST; and of course, it is a fraction of the price of the others I mentioned.
Do you have any idea if the type 81 will come back in stock on tactical imprts because right now its only people reselling for crazy prices
Yup , more coming at the end of this month.
They are here right now!
@@jointaimbot55 hell ya just got one
Where from? Because I cannot find the optic Mount or the bracket anywhere. I've been looking for quite some time
I just got mine and a little tiny spring popped out of the bottom, not sure what it is for but Its already broken out of the box.
does your pivoting smaller lock has tension? not the locking bigger lever. if it does then this is extra. if no tension then its for the pivoting smaller lock. see if you slide it in thru the gap.
the side plates are wrong, I am working with army of Bangladesh in modernising process... they have type 81 and local manufactured b8 08
Ofcos, thats why vz58 had to be adapted.
@@gnutzguy overall solution is wrong :) look...every white hair in my head is caused by that bloody rifle
@@pznili thats your opinion. we in canada are not as lucky as you, you got the whole country's backing... we have to adapt with what we have. you have a nice day.
if TI makes a standard AK style side rail to fit t81 no one will buy the whole package lmao
lol. hhhmmm, marketing strategy?
Too bad half your actions are out of frame
please read disclaimers.
@@gnutzguy ok but you’re still out of frame
@@polarlab113 you're still here? Lol. your class is down the hall. Please press next.
Ouch that leaves a mark
Canadian made? lol there are nothing Canadian made anymore!
yup, not many made here.