Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania - Spoilers Discussion!
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex Discuss all the Spoilers in Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania! That bad CGI, Kang's Plan, What worked, What didn't and the after credits scenes!
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I can always tell if the movie is bad by how exhausted Alex looks
Yeah and I’m not surprised they didn’t like it. Marvel has been bad since endgame with the exception of Spider-Man and even Spider-Man bored me. No way home was just fan service and fan service is cool but I’m not gonna watch that again.
He always looks like that
Dude hates everything. I have yet to see what he likes besides ep 3 of the last of us.
@@grogu411 I agree NWH actually made me mad coming out the theater. Second one was MoM . Both promised fan service and the hype was crazy. And the pay off was horrible. Killing off aunt may making Peter a orphan. Not using Tobey and Andrew in the whole film which was a once in a lifetime thing. “Saving the villains” plot/ want my friends to go to college plot and the dumb conclusion.
Wanda killing the Illuminati man those movies really pissed me off haha 😂😅
He stays looking like that I mostly ignore him
The Quantum Realm in the previous films is accessed only by becoming smaller than atoms, it's supposed to be a place where the rules of space and time don't apply yet in this film it's treated like a typical alternate dimension or something. It seems to me that Phase 4 has a habit of retconing established things set in the Infinity Saga.
@@EventualWarlord Yes true but my point still stands.
@@EventualWarlord
Tomato Tamato. Point stand Phase 4 and 5 suck
It's not the rules of nature. It's the nature of time.
@@JellisX891 Whatever, my point is that the Quantum Realm in this film has been retconed from what we saw in the previous films.
@@Bardim18 Different characters mention that including Hank, Michelle pifer mentioned something about "hank never went deep enough" idk but yes I agree how in Antman 1 you had to be extremely tiny to go there and I thought only antman could do it
Who knew that a multiversal conquer, one who killed various versions of the avengers numerous times (including some of their heavy-hitters), was weak to a bunch of ants that were borderline magical in their cognitive capabilities, rose to a class 2-type civilization (on the Kardashev scale) and somehow maintained the strictest of loyalties to the protagonists despite being stuck in the quantum realm for a bloody millennia due to the protagonist's fault?! Goddammit, that third act killed most of my brain cells.
“Dude just chill out”
That chekhov's gun really killed the movie for me
Hank: hey audience look at these cool ants that can make their own tech in this ant farm these totally won’t save our lives from a multiversal conquerer at the end of the movie 😉
I couldn’t stop myself from sighing nor face palming you are spot on what a mess.
Here is one for you: Every Kang is going to be weaker than last one. Because we already saw most powerful Kang. Not even ifinity Stones can touch him. This Kang was In Loki season 1. The one who remains won Multiverse war (other Kangs).
A part of me really wishes you were lying. The new main antagonist of the MCU can be beaten by ants. Phase 5 is fucked.
That was Kang the Concurrer. The most agreeable of all the Kangs.
An underrated comment
I feel like whoever came up with this backstory for MODOK also came up with the horrible take on Taskmaster from Black Widow. Just killin characters. Sure it's MODOK, but the point stands.
Unfortunately we will be seeing more of taskmaster in Thunderbolts
In my own canon that's not Taskmaster that's sword lady in costume
@@Ratvivor get outta here, are they actually bringing taskmaster back after that travesty!? LOL
yup I’m definitely avoiding mad stuff around this phase
They keep ruining these characters…… It’s very sad some of my favorites ones get treated like crap
@@MarcusBakerX97 maybe we'll get lucky and it'll be the real Taskmaster.
..I missed Luis. It's not the same without him. Deserved at least a cameo in the first minutes of the movie
Facts I forgot abt him
The movie should have ended with Kang's victory and Ant-man and Wasp stuck in the quantum realm (or with one of them dead). Moreover, I thought that Kang the conqueror eventually becomes "he who remains" (from Loki season 1) given his fixation with creating and maintaining the "sacred timeline". 🤔
I fully agree that Kang should’ve nearly killed Scott and his family sacrifice their way out of the quantum realm in order to save him…..But nah let him get outsmarted by Ant-mans wife and teenage daughter.
Loki season 2 is gonna be even more contrived than the 1st season. especially with how the endgame explained how travel works just for them in Loki to change that and have TVA be absolute morons
( NOT TO MENTION they spend many episodes bullying Loki and even telling him that his female version self is better than him, they say this 1000 times over….)
That's what i thought and i was truly shocked how it went
I do agree, it wouldve had more impact.
@@MarcusBakerX97 The TVA almost have to be morons, because anyone in the time cop position should just be able to dominate, so they almost have to be idiots, so a time travel plot can progress, or the timeline has to be this fragile flower that any little brush can just send it spinning off the rails into la la land. Also, they need to develop the Silvie character, not tell us she's so great, because its really not that obvious what is so great about her.
At the very least leave Kang alive but he has a way out and can truly regain his power. Maybe even have it where he orchestrated the hero's victory for his escape. Now he's going to wage war against the other Kang's and the MCU is his base of operation. Leading to a three way fight between an all powerful Kang the Conqueror, a Kang invasion force, and the Avengers.
Rolled my eyes like the 3rd time one of the protagonists got the drop on a Kang henchman because they were inexplicably not searched and stripped of their tech/weapons.
I was just thinking about this😂 walking them through the hall and all of the sudden they kick their knees and escape
I’d hate to have legs around these people 😂
Wait, how many times did someone escape the henchmen in this movie? I want to watchbit again just to count lol
@@grinningwombat 2 times I believe but I can’t remember, once was Cassie and the other one was the grandma
Uh, you know that only happened like ONCE?
If I’m being honest, I’m absolutely ready for Marvel to go on a year long hiatus, minimum.
They did back in 2020.
@@achaudhari101 alright then, two year hiatus, and maybe not due to a global pandemic.
Not a bad idea
Yeah right. Then people will be complaining about the hiatus.
Can’t wait for DC to take over the superhero landscape man
I like how they explained why they understand the quantum people. In other MCU films, all aliens from the universe speaks english or they just can understand one another immediately
I agree that was a good way to explain it at least
Can't the likes of Thor speak all languages in the canon? Godly beings are omniscient, whilst advanced alien civilizations beyond humanity would either have knowledge of all languages or a way to translate them.
Did al 4 of you miss the 3 scenes showing why and how they can all understand eachother? Wow
The longer they talk about this movie and the more I look at Alex‘s face the more I’m convinced this is blow a 5/10
I mean you can practically feel his depression
Do you notice that Joe tries to shut Alex down and put him down then gets scared and backs down 😂 Alex doesn’t fight back because of course Joe is his boss lol
@@VastoFlo13 see I love this channel and subscribe to the channel because it was different from a lot of the other ones out there, having three different perspectives was always awesome, but yeah Joe has a tendency to shut them up and talk over them… A lot
Did you see the review of rings of power? It got really, really bad. So much so that the audience was talking about it in the comment section so much that Joe had to address it… Not that he actually did anything about it but complain
@@JackEverton101 the three of them together is awesome but Joe sometimes goes to extreme and wants to show power. He is legit a man child lol. Do you ever notice he always wants to stand out when he talks about celebrities, or gamers by saying yeah I know them, they are good friends of mind or I predict that would happen 😂. He is funny but like I said a man child 95% of the time
@@VastoFlo13 well yeah… he never had to get an actual job and isn’t humbled by the normal life you or I live. He literally plays videos games and watches movies for a living 😂. And yes i’m super jealous hahah
@@VastoFlo13 I hate how Alex or OJ will be about to make a great point but then get interrupted
I think Alex nailed it:
It's all about tension and stakes that we can relate to.
There are infinite kangs and they travel between infinite universes to do anything: who gives a damn.
Thanos can beat the hulk in a fist fight: HOLY $H!T
One is totally intangible and we can't relate to it on any meaningful level. The other is a threat because it relates to a benchmark is strength we've been very familiar with and have come to assume was reliably unmatched. There is a real sense of shock and threat when we see the hulk beaten in a fist fight without any mcguffins or dumb scifi magic.
Yeah this is far tooo confusing I knew when Endgame came out and they introduced multiverses in FUCKING MOVIES this shit would be over RIP MCU
@@Thatguyyoudontknow594 This is all in service to reboot the MCU just wish they would hurry up and get it over with.
I don’t really agree. It’s about how you write the characters and their stakes, no matter the situation. Eddie Brock in comics is going through some wild ass shit right now that would be comparable to a “kang dynasty” type of thing, but the writing and character drama makes that concept worth while.
Well Said
It was all very well done with Purple Guy.
Thanos was teased throughout the years.
First scene of the movie where he's the main villain he kills Loki and Heimdall and beats Thor and Hulk.
When Bruce Banner comes to Dr Strange place and with fear on his face proclaims that "Thanos is coming" the audience knows it's gonna be a hard one.
Kang as a big baddie of current MCU timeline was teased in a... TV show? (Another point about movies in current phases being so deattached from one another)
First scene showing his power are the flashbacks where we're told stuff.
He gets taken out with Hank's ants. Then he returns just like that (I presume he beat the ants? So they weren't as strong for him? Why didn't they show it???) and gets stopped by Ant Man & The Wasp!
Marvel needs a break, no more shows no more crossover movies. Just take a year off and focus on individual characters and their own classic villains. It’s become very over saturated at this point
Nah bruh we gotta pay Brie Larson next for more marvel time next time you know Kamala Khan is gonna beat a version of Kang next 😂
Fuck it let it die
i'm ok with the shows(not the quality) but the movies......
No thanks after this I don’t want to watch a movie which is superhero fight bad guy, bad guy gets upper hand and superhero comes back and wins in final 3rd, you need crossovers now can’t go back to boring tiny no stakes films
They already are.
Hollywood reporter..
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With Kang's ship power, it gets both tiny and huge Pym Particles at the same time, which is why it is and looks broken. The middle part gets tiny whilst the outer part gets huge.
I refuse to believe this Kang killed a single Avenger.
Kang is all bark & no bite!
lost to fkin ant-man the guy who got clowned by his entire family that belittled his accomplishments like a loser earlier in the SAME film lol.
@@MarcusBakerX97 technically he lost to those hyper intelligent super ants that'll probably end up conquering everything in the known universe if they developed tech to escape the quantum realm
@@romitch18 Yeah…..still a big bummer that can’t be taken in serious direction, they definitely felt like a plot device tbh
What’s sad is that we went from the greatest mind of the generation “Tony stark” faced with a life and death 2 week deadline, making armor out of his redemption arc to now 2 girl college students in back to back films that can make his style of tech and quantum devices in their garbages LOL
@@MarcusBakerX97 like how are they making tony level suits in the garage, that is utter nonsense.
The psychic powers of him tossing people around and the explosion ability alone was enough to beat everyone. They really dropped the ball with Kang the Conqueror. This needed a tragic ending to show how dangerous Kang is.
Someone should've died sacrificing to keep Kang in the quantum realm. Thought it was gonna be Antman and the Wasp, but nope, got portaled back. Maybe if they don't have the guts to kill Antman and the Wasp, they should've killed both Hank and Janet, or just Janet. Just someone.
@@akmal94ibrahimCassie should have been the one to die. That would be so heavy and set the tone for the next phase. But Disney ….
When Alex & Joe mentioned that the one they took down is “The Most Powerful Kang”, I jittered in shock thinking “You seriously killed off the big one so soon? And leave us with these other weaker versions of this guy?”
Yeah i was shocked and said thats it? 😐
Someone else under a different comment already made this point (so I take no credit for this), but technically the most powerful Kang, the one who defeated all of the others and was in charge of the multiverse, was defeated by Sylvie.
@@famousthaneus9810 defeated by Sylvie? He willingly wanted to die
@@HeisenStark13 didn't he also say that he would come back....
@@caliginousmoira8565I think the point of it was to show how a much more evil Kang could arise. So he was just keeping up one universe to avoid a multiversal war. But when he died there’s nothing keeping it stable. So yeah it’s Kang but like a different version of him
I knew they were gonna mess Kang up the moment they announced he'd be in Ant Man. Kang is an easy character to mess up because he can be silly that's why he works as a background threat. The doom you're meant to feel when Loki sees his statue should have been across all of phase 4. Kang shouldn't actually show up until we have an established Avengers team so he can casually beat them. Earth's Mightiest heros did it well because dude literally is just talking smack while trivializing all the Avengers and he only loses because of plot. I just feel bad for Majors, dude is being wasted.
I knew Kang was going to be the new bad guy when they introduced the TVA, as this is such a dumb organization, and Kang did basically the same thing in his comic arc, just much better than they did. The TVA is like if Purgatory had an evil bureaucracy that made people they didn't like wait in line for no real reason, and they never really used their limited time altering power to do anything of significance, and the people they banished pretty much seemed to deserve it anyway, so it was hard to care what happened to the TVA, one way or another, which made their being a Kang tool really not matter in any way.
@@sprinkle61 The TVA ia arguably exactly what the MCU needed, just in s bigger way. Imagibe an entire phase without the major Avengers because they're being audited by the TVA. It's an amazingly mundane threat to follow the epicness of Endgame. The idea of the multiverse wasn't a bad one but it was disjointed. The link between the TVA multiverse and Dr.Strange multiverse was basically nonexistent.
Him being in an Ant Man makes sense as he basically the one responsible for getting the avengers to time travel. Wish the movie lead into that more as it’s basically his fault.
@@roxtechs Seems like they're implying the Kang in the 1900s invents a different time travel. Kang would make the most sense in a Fantastic 4 story since Reed is his ancestor.
Marvel has wasted all their villians played by great actors , gorr for example
When MODOK revealed his face my whole audience started bursting out in laughter. The film just straight up made him a punchline throughout which got old pretty quick.
Humpty Dumpty 😅😆😂
Mine did too
If they get reaction then there winning
Idk that sounds like MODOK to me at least cuz that guy just can not be taken seriously
MODOK is a joker in the comics too, it was intentional
I don't think Kang the Conqueror is dead...I think Marvel just wanted to show him real quick so they can tuck him away and focus on the variant Kangs across multiple movies & shows before bringing him back as a true Avengers level threat in The Kang Dynasty...Him getting sucked into the orb thingy is a good set up for him possibly growing even more powerful and at the same time making the audience forget about him long enough to have it be a surprise when he returns...as it says at the end of the movie
I think you are right but ur missing the point
The audience no longer cares, they’ve become disengaged with the MCU
@@thecommentsofyoutube7265 Your use of "missing the point" is unnecessary 🤦🏾
Why? His threat level has gone, When he shows back up all they after do is call for the communist Ants to come defeat him again
@@indyscribable but u did miss the point
@@gandalftheswoll519 Nope...I wasnt replying to any points...just commenting on the spoiler section for a movie I watched...You clicked my comment just for that? 🤨
Would have been a cool Ending when they come out of the quatum realm and many years have passed, kang has conquered earth and the entire universe and its scott fault because he basically set him free. All the upcoming movies could Deal with the other heroes dealing with the situation when kang took over and then in the upcoming avengers: the kang dynastie they come together to stop him.
Way better idea than what we got. But they even changed the ending of this movie which was a terrible idea
That actually works. It would hook you in for the next film as well.
You know what would have been even better? Kang offs all of them in the Quatum Realm and escapes to start the dynasty. But that’s way too dark for Disney.
My biggest issue with the movie was how dumb they think the audience is, they had to do actual on screen flash backs during exposition what, 5 times? And once it was even a flashback/exposition dump about something that had happened 45 minutes earlier in the same movie
What did they flash back to? Intrigued but not going to watch this
@@xSabinx1 the most egregious were reminding us who yellowjacket was twice and then reminding us something that hank pym was doing earlier in the movie
@@k--music The first Ant-Man was 7 years ago and the last time we saw Yellowjacket. It's not that unbelievable some would've forgotten him.
How’s kang gonna be an avengers level threat bruh gets solo’d by a Loki and now antman LOL
Ant-Man bruh?!!!
I think that it's gonna be all of the Kangs joining forces against the Avengers.
@@Bardim18 Oh god, I hope that the next Avengers movie doesn't end in another heroes fighting a hoard of "X"
Because they lie to try n sell tickets 😊
@@SirDubbs I'm afraid that it's gonna be Avengers vs an army of Kangs.
The ants were seconds away from soloing Kang. “Modok” literally just killed himself to complete a joke.
The ants seriously should be the next big threat lol
Lmaooooo i can't believe it
Lmfao don’t play those ants so far are a planetary threat to anything alive😂😂😂
Thousands of years of evolution but they still fight like they haven’t evolved.
Yeah, they still fight like ants, using claws to penetrate a force shield? Wearing a helmet does not make you an advanced civilization.
@@eliramh Im disappointed in the movie, they cater to the woke and kids too much. They should realise that most of their hardcore fans from the comic book days are 30+ years old.
Seeing this movie's Kang being not only defeated by one of the MCU's C-list heroes but also saying that he was the one Kang these other Kangs feared felt so ass backwards. Its like playing a game and the first boss you encounter turns out to have been the final boss and every boss you fight after is just a mini boss.
MCU is going from a well-adapted Comic universe to a family friendly kids show.
How many more invincible hero children are they going to add?
Edit: Other than Groot, are all the kids introduced Daughters?
MSheU-gotta have the bestest Evar wahmen saving the universe. Next up is "The Marvels", should start a sweepstake now on how much money Disney will lose this year, i'm betting they can lose another $3b easily at this rate.
"Kids show" when most of the things from the M-She-U and Disney nowadays wants to groom children.
@@SpideyfanX no... i do not subscribe to that nonsense. It's just bad writing and an attempt to pander to what they think is a current audience.
If you think Disney is trying to change your children? Be a better parent or take your meds.
Well they have already stated they are working toward a "young avengers" project, and it should also be apparent from the current state of the MSHEU that an all female team up movie is planned, however I think the Marvels is going to flop so hard that they kill that project.
@@1978JWJ 'The Marvels' looks bad on paper. They need to build villains. At this point, James Gunn taking over DCCU? We are going to see a shift in quality. DC is gonna start hitting us with 'PG-13' content.
Marvel will still be not devolping villains and pushing kid characters.
One of my issues I expected from the trailers, was that Antman Thrives from scale. The audience needs things they recognize and can relate to in order to get a sense of scale with the shrinking and growing. Within the made up Quantum realm. There were No relative things to scale against. Which made most scenes confusing, especially the "you're huge" scene.
And this Kang guy. There is no setup to what he can do. So he just does anything. Like that kid in the playground "I have everything armour"
At least with the Purple guy and his Rock collection. You set up his strength, by fighting green angry man. And the magic rocks all had a special name associated with what they could do. Great set ups.
Didnt really enjoy this antman. It has been my favourite MCU hero to follow. Disappointed
I agree about the scale part, I see a lot of other people mention that too. At the end when he said "you're huge!!" someone said after you wouldn't even be able to tell they grew in size if you muted the movie. In Civil War you had the airport and other heroes for size reference, in Ant-Man and the Wasp you had the city of San Fran and the ship for scaling, in the Quantum Realm everything is already unfamiliar sizes and weird dirty colors so it's hard to tell.
@@navonmyhand7999 yep. Agreed
Loki Season 1 explained Kang and the multiverse much better. In fact, they should have cancelled quantummania entirely and just put all their effort and marketing into Loki Season 2. Big oof 😢
Loki and Sylvie are the real villains even worse than Thanos, for killing He who remains 😅 actually probably tony for creating time travel and getting loki caught by the TVA in the first place 😂
Silvies life in exchange for the creation and destruction of infinite people and universes is tight
You ain't wrong
The Loki show literally ruins everything lol, makes nothing matter at all
@@idiot_city5444 yeah, I liked the show, but after that it made me not care about the MCU anymore, or at least not take it serious in it's story.
@@Collect2Disconnectyou just blew my mind…
I think this movie needed SOME visual tease of the multiverse. The main problem was this movie talked so much about Kang being this multiversal conqueror but we didn't see so much as him killing a single Avenger variant. Just like, show anything at all. There was no HOLY CRAP moment that made me really excited to see Kang Dynasty.
Once the spoiler review started I was shocked this got a 5/10. Should be way lower.
AJ chopped his balls off with his manscaped razor.
I rate if Kang killed Scott in that final fight and showed us how proper strong he was and sent dread to those on the other side of the portal movie would have been pretty ok😄
Ant Man 3 was around the same level as Thor Love and Thunder. I think that is it for me with Marvel.
I myself have been done since Endgame..so I do not blame you my friend..who wants to spend their money on the MsheU?
See you at the next movie
Then quit watching. Nobody is making you.
Been done since endgame, couldn't force myself to pirate captain Marvel, the eternals lmfao I watched loki (insanely insulting to the character of loki) and I watched winter soldier and falcon (super insulting to the winter soldier)
@@jasonhowell9723 we had 10 years with the cast being prominently men, you I assume, didn't have a problem then, so don't bring your sexism here :)
alex not laughing at joe's antics, makes joe try even more going over the top. love it!
The quantum realm in end game made ant-man jump five years into the future because he was in there for five hours.
The quantum realm in quantumania? Eh, it'll be fine, if we just completely ignore that, right?
come on now, you can't expect the writers to watch their own movies, let alone read any of the comics, that takes effort and might require some level of talent...
And they steady act like the ants getting lost in a time dilation is a big surprise like "whatttt time down here is different??" 😑
To be fair they did say it isn’t linear and that he got lucky.
Time doesn’t move at a constant rate down there.
5 hours could be 5 years or it could be 20.
Shit you’re right
@@viscoselight23 Sounds like a perfect excuse for terrible writers to contrive the hell out of the script.
Friends should never let friends get interrupted mid sentences
Poor Alex. You are so brave for watching movies that you don’t like or ones that bore you. At any rate, keep up the good work you all and I’d like to see Alex speak more since he analyzes everything as fair as possible. Oh and I can’t wait to see Fantastic 4 and the other MCU heroes team up and defeat Kang and possibly Doom and/or Galactus if possible since Kang May not be the strongest big threat out there
Galactus will be murdered by ants friend
@@Collect2Disconnect And Captain Marvel will easily defeat Dr Doom by boring him to death..glad I will not go to see such trash..best wishes to you
Yea poor poor Alex... sooo brave being payed to see movies
why do you always have to mention alex? seriously
I only mention Alex because he’s a really good and fair critic. Plus combined with Joe and other Joe, they all form a strong opinion/review of movies and other stuff. Also, I rarely see him enjoy something other than No Way Home and Prey
Wasn't it neat that teenage Cassie built the device to map the Quantum realm. Super genius Hank Pym spent 30 years trying to do the same thing but couldn't
Hank was there helping her, and many things have be invented by people that other people spent their entire lives trying to build but never could.
She's so cute.
It's clearly stated that she and Hank did it together.
10:30 Victor Von Doom's back story is insane actually! He with Reed and Dr. Strange-outsmart Mephisto to save Victor's mother's soul. Mephisto sends him to the dark ages hoping it kills him. INSTEAD he is saved by Merlin and ends up bro's with Arthur! o-0 and taught magic by one of the grandmasters. He's sent to the 33rd century because no matter when he picks past 30th, Merlin can't nor can Arthur. WHEN Victor does, he's met with Nathaniel Richards attempting to take Earth over!
What makes Doom such a awesome villain like Magneto but with a twist. Doom thinks the only way to stop Nathaniel from doing his Kang future is to kill Reed Richards in current years o-0 the John Connor Terminator paradox! such a cool character and set of villains
What u just said sounds like convenient childish writing.
Pffff.
Ridiculous doesn't mean entertaining nor does "crazy" mean great ( in this case ).
that is the dumbest thing Ive ever heard
What a horrible and cringe backstory
@@idiot_city5444 right?
It's so ridiculous and over the top.
Time travel is overrated AF.
No one cares lol I read two sentences then made this comment hate me for it
The helmet-on/helmet-off thing drove me nuts. Not just MODOK. Ant-Man, Wasp, Cassie, Kang. Constantly. On, off. On, off. On, off. Just keep the goddamn helmets on!!
My favorite part of the movie is that the ants made a type two civilization haha
they will conquer the multiverse and reach type billion something and fight the multiverse super AI.
In the films defense Janet combined both the enlargement orbs with the shrinking orbs so it put the sphere in a state of Flux which cause the probability storm and that's why Kang couldn't enter it without loosing his mind... I also think that's how we get the Ultimate Kang (or Prime) because he looses his mind and one of the variants created in the new probability storm will be the most dangerous version 🤷🏾♂️
How tf did antman beat KANG… let me say it again HOW TF DID ANTMAN BEAT KANG
>>>>> Disney writing
Thank you … I left the theaters pissed what a mess of a movie
I love how kang said multiple times that he beat multiple versions of the avengers including thor yet antman beats him...because its his movie or whatever lol
@@masm7642 lazy writing at its finest. Kang should’ve won in brutal fashion to put everyone on notice that he is coming … yet they have him to lose to some damn ants … what a joke
And thats supposed to be the big Baddie of phase 5? He was a joke
didn't Janet have weird power in ant man 2? that was completly ignored in this movie
No, she never had extra powers. She was just saturated in extra Quantum energies she used to heal Ghost and the energy was all used up.
Does this not seem like a shitty nock off of Tron: Legacy. It's literally on point story wise
And they didn't mention this in their review
Somebody probably stumbled upon the script and thought nobody would notice
I was thinking this !
MODOK out here looking like George Lopez from sharkboy and lavagirl.
I was waiting for kang to use his time travel arm band to rewind time and fix the fight he lost AND THEY DIDNT EVEN DO IT ... WHAT A SHAME...
It was a bad call to have Kang as a villain in this movie like this. They should've introduced him in the teaser and played that along towards an avenger movie. But I don't think Marvel intended Kang to be the central villain in the next avengers movie though. They have some other character in mind. The quantum world and Kang are generally very difficult to portray in a live action movie as general audiences won't understand it. In the comics, it makes sense as it is pages in a comic with artwork.
Did you miss the mid credits? Are you aware that they have a movie coming out called “Avengers: Kang Dynasty”?
@@LostHope84 Yeah. I know about that, haven't seen this movie though. They'll have to elevate Kang somehow for that avengers movie.
@@LostHope84 And? in this movie the the B/C list hero's killed the most powerful Kang. What exactly are the stakes? Kang the Conqueror in comics is a huge Thanos level threat more so then his other incarnations. So now with him gone it's what a disposable Kang army? I was excited after Loki I couldn't wait to see Jonathan Majors Kang the Conqueror after his He Who Remains but now what's there to look forward to. It would be like if Winter Soldier killed Thanos and Marvel said don't worry there's a blood thirsty baby Thanos who is going to reek havoc on the MCU. It's like okay but the superior one just went down easy.
@@LostHope84it’s doesn’t because their isn’t an main villain for the audience the fear, understand of relate too. Imagine if infinity war was just Guardians of Galaxy movie that they basically jobbed Thanos.
The avengers movie has his name in the title of the movie they definitely have him the main bad guy.
The thousands of Kangs in the post credit scene would have worked better. If the main Kang felt like a huge threat, at least establishing what he can do. Then seeing the thousands of them would have made the audience feel uneasy. As if it took this much effort to take out one. Thousands is going to be an issue
I thought that threat where he says "I will kill your daughter and make you rewatch it over, and over. " was cool but I mean it could have been better if he showed him with the first Demonstration then rewind time. Has more of an impact.
Alex making AJ laugh is why I watch these reviews. So fucking wholesome
I don't think Kang is dead, but instead is spending an eternity within the paradox dimension, slowly losing his mind being surrounded by an infinite amount of himself. Never able to escape. But he gets out in Kang Dynasty and goes ape shit, giving us the Kang we deserve.
Maybe so, but he was already described as someone who destroyed timeslines, killed avengers, and controls time itself. And then a joke head charges at him and wins? Why not reverse time? Jump backward or forward? Move a finger to choke enemies? Doesn't make sense.
Lol we cares if he's dead or not. There are a million more of him.
Wait so it's almost like this is a setup for the rest of phase 5? Whoa! Crazy concept! .......
@@DFQreacts that's why I wrote the comment. Cus people actually think Kang is dead.
@@fredericgibbinsthe2nd721 absolutely, its like they haven't seen a comic book movie before and still treat these as stand alone films and not as they are: another episode in a high budget TV show lol
I really loved the part when Kang said "It's Kangin' Time!"
1. They were already trying to mine the quantum realm for its resources in previous films (setting up the huge plot point for defeating Thanos)... but Suddenly a signal down there is a problem?
2. Darren was Pim's protégé. Between him and Kang they couldn't figure out how to undo Janet's exploding of the core?
Did I miss the part where Janet no longer had those quantum healing powers she had in the last movie? I feel like MODOK could have benefitted from them being around.
Let it slide under the rug like it never happened
I got a Star Wars vibe from the movie. The world building, different alien races, rescuing other characters, the ships, cities and the big battle with the Rebels at the end.
Thought exactly the same thing while watching. Lucasfilm was in the credits so it could be that.
Never steal from the prequels. atrocious.
“It’s just MODOK, who cares” is such a cop out. They could have made him really cool and scary (and yes, ridiculous).
Pray for the boys during this new phase…..
Anyone calling this film great/good or even saying Kang is the best current big bad is doing a massive cope mechanism. Such a good start to the next phase of the MCU, have your big bad (Kang, a man who’s defeated the avengers many times) in this very film get outsmarted and defeated by goddamn ant-man, his wife and his teenage annoying daughter 😂 plus CGI Giant Ants (Alex was right it wasn’t that many) this movie was seriously an L for me i’m not looking forward to marvel if this is how weak Kang is gonna be presented, not excited at all for the upcoming phase.
Gotta love how super nerf Kang is (intelligence wise too)
Shouts out to Alex I truly appreciate him a lot because I’m honestly just like him after watching this.
Lol and to think that Kang is the big baddie of the entire phase....what a joke. Good luck to Marvel, they're gonna need it this phase.
I have couple of questions at the very start of the movie
1. Why is janet so scared of quantum realm in this movie, but had sent Scott to collect the quantum particles earlier in 2nd part where he gets stuck , that time wasn’t she scared.
2. Is it me or do everyone feel weird when scots daughter calls janet and pimp as grandpa and grandma, like dude they are not related to you in anyways and they act like her grandparents 🙄
3. Why was his daughter researching to find Scott from quantum realm for 5 years, coz she didn’t know if he got blimped or not, also only
People who knew he was stuck themselves got blimped.
And how come getting smaller, if totally different locations, brings you back to the same micro location, with the same creatures you met before? Isn't it like goiwng to another galaxy, shrinking and still reaching earth somehow?
Answer to 1 is they knew where he was going and was going to bring him right out, answer to 2 is you don't have to be related to see someone as a grandpa, grandma or aunt and uncle.
I think the Cassie actor would’ve made a good Ellie in last of us
I kinda found it annoying that at the end grandma (can't remember their names) says the orb has enough power for one more trip. I thought Scott was going to sacrifice himself, trapping himself with Kang, but then they just reopen the portal from the other side. Just kinda felt like a missed opportunity to have a bittersweet victory by having Scott either die or be at the mercy of Kang.
Jack Black would have been a great traditional MODOK.
so to sum up the spoilers:
- bad modok cgi
- shytty adaptaion of "not actually modok"
- Kang was beaten by a joke
- no one important really dies
- there are hundrends of Kangs that behave like mindless sportfans
- there'll be a Kang in Loki S2.
These new marvel shows and movies are making me rethink if they were ever good.
I’m sorry but Namor was way more threatening than this Kang. The ending should’ve been Kang escaping and some of the Ant family getting trapped in the Quantum Realm. The mid credit scene would’ve had more weight because now all the other Kangs would have to come together to stop Kang the Conqueror
10:00 Rama Tut- kang is the original Kang. Dr. Doom foiled his plan in the 33rd century to take the world over. AND Kang told him- I'm going to go back and turn your GREATEST hero into the greatest Villain. And I want you to know it's YOUR Fault Victor. He goes back to when En Saba Nur was a teenager lost in the desert, and murders the actual Rama Tutt to take his place. Twisting him into the villain we all know as Apocalypse. It's why if they are ever in the same room, Doom can't look him in the eyes or face to face, if he does it's at a downward angle.
They portrayed Kang as someone who’s taken over universes and killed countless avengers like thor, hulk, etc. Saying that he lost count of how many versions of the guy with the hammer he’s killed (thor), yet got his ass beat by a normal dude who can shrink and a bunch of ants what an absolute joke of a movie. Like Loki set up the multiverse story perfectly, but when it was time to make the movie that would set up the big bad of the next phase we got “It’s never too late to be a dick,” and “i’ve got holes!” man mcus a joke.
People are getting duped into willingly watching the credits just to see commercials for other movies, and I find that hilarious LOL
It was cold af outside I’m glad we stayed. Got to talk wit my group of friends cuz when we got outside we all bolted to our cars
Just finished watching it...I don't know when but there was a point where I forgot I was watching a Marvel film. It straight up turned into a Star Wars film.
The ants felt like storm troopers
Kang beaten by ants was so silly!
MODOK best line: I don't know what to do?
Cassie Lang: Don't be a dick!
Why does the MCU have little girls calling grown men "dicks"
I love how kang's entire motivation revolves around trying to fix a device that allows him to leave the quantum realm, meanwhile Modok literally figured out how to do that shit before the movie even started and that's WHY all the ant people are even in the quantum realm for the whole movie.
Take a drink every time Scott said "My daughter" Also Scott was not in his world at the end of the movie , thats why everything was different
Wasp got completely sidelined in this movie so hard, Janet’s storyline about her being so infamous was barely touched on, and Hank did virtually nothing except for the ants
Hahaha Alex has had it 🤣
Cannot blame him he has to suffer through lackluster story telling.
Why does angry Joe even bother to have Alex on the show if Joe is gonna cut him off before he can speak and get his point across?
fucking tell me about it
I thought this movie was going to be a loss for the heroes like infinity war where they're beaten but escape alive but maybe lose someone like Hank Pym and this exiled Kang escapes the quantum realm setting up a multi sided struggle for the fate of everything.
I actually wouldn't mind seeing a movie that is entirely Kang vs Kang vs Kang etc.
Feels like DC is on the way up and Marvel on the way down. Thank you Disney.
yes!!! Finally !!! i love you DC
I doubt it. I think both will slowly fade into obscurity, meanwhile perhaps a new genre of movie will take over superhero films. That or one or both will completely change course.
With the utter trainwreck that was Black Adam, and with how generic the new Shazam and Flash movies look, I doubt they will match Black Panter or Spider-Man numbers.
I don't think so. James Gunn already f*cked up with Henry Cavil. The only reason why the flash movie would be worth watching is probably because of Michael Keaton. Otherwise I expect it to be a mid movie at best.
Nah DC will always be trash, I'd watch Antman before any movie of DC
@@tre3961 they haven’t released anything yet. Ant man trailer had just as much as hype and it didn’t do as well
Can we for once, just let Alex speak without getting constantly interrupted
Joe likes to hear his own voice 🤣
Joe: "Alex what about you?"
Alex : " well i thought..""
Joe : " i thought this movie sucks!!!"
I knew it was going to be stupid pretty quickly. Why is Cassie the one creating the quantum thing? Getting pretty sick of "the key to everything" children. But.....at least me and the crew I went with got a lot of enjoyment. The enjoyment was laughing at the sheer stupidity. I heard a lot of people in the theater like "wait what", "why's Cassie creating the quantum thing" "even the council of kangs is Goofy ". Da fuck is Disney doing? This movie got love and thundered up.
This is more aligned to how I felt. The most badass Kang defeated by family and ants.
*AJ needs to slow his roll in these reviews. He still (on occasion) interrupts Alex who's got invaluable input to challenge other viewpoints...*
Pretty dissapointing, kang is supposed to have already killed all the avengers, in many different timelines, with thor for sure being one of them, and he gets bitched like this by Ant-man and his crew? Really? It’s fine for an Antman like movie, but when you are hyping it up as this “new dynasty” that’s being established, it really fails to deliver anything close. Kang could have literally been replaced with any other mildly smart villain and it would have been exactly the same. 5/10
@32:49 bro Jet Li in the one was amazing! Had the most badass ending for a villain ever! Def need a sequel 🔥🔥
The worst part of the movie is when Kang is showing all the different variants of himself throughout the timelines and he says "We were Kangs".
Does that actually happen? I might become a pirate to watch this if so.
@@aytony4090 No. I wish though.
@Bargain Tuesday The sad part is I just saw it last night, but couldn't remember if this actually happened or not. Really forgettable movie.
The only time I would find its kangin time joke lol
I highly doubt that Kang is dead…he got sucked into a portal
Hes gonna come back as modok 🤣
Don't put an excuse on Rick and Morty's writers. Plz...
I can't wait for the pitch meeting! Gonna be alot of getting ALL the way off the back & super easy, barely an inconvenience going on. Whoops! Whoopsie!!!
Oh….a very rude ant 😂😂😂😂😂
IDK, I liked this movie more than most things in phase 4. It feels like it's going back to classic MCU form. Ridiculous, but fun with great action. Solid movie, imo
Nah guys, George Lopez is not Spy Kids. It's Sharkboy and Lavagirl.
Right
This Kang isn’t dead. He’s the big bad of Secret Wars.
The Kang Dynasty fights the Avengers until this Kang (Beyonder) wipes out all existence and creates Battleworld
I love the show, but I hate the low-key tension I feel that AJ akways has towards Alex. Alex puts up with mad disrespect. All you guys are equally as awesome. AJ, stop disrespecting Alex.
I 💯% agree with you and also see it. AJ is such a baby. He constantly interrupts and when someone else makes a joke he quickly changes topics. If OJ and Alex start talking to eachother he quickly changes subject. If he doesn't like the point they are making he shuts them up. He legitimately shut Alex up multiple times.
I feel sorry for Jonathan Majors, especially after that post credits scene
Don’t feel too bad I’m sure he’s doing fine with his millions for this crap
@@shazbazzy maybe he'll make even more with his creed project
It was good, I think you didnt see it which what Im noticing a lot from people when it just got launched in screens hrs ago....watch it at 8am?
Imagine 3 movies from now when Riri Williams snaps her fingers and declares, " I'm Iron Heart", to Kangs face as he turns to ashes. Humanity then owes a great debt to her
Sounds like Kang is gonna have the Ultron problem. Ultron had an infinite number for his army and that made it really boring.
My guy Alex always spitting facts. When he can actually finish tho.
This isn't his show.
@@rubenpena246 so he shouldn't be allowed to finish his statement cause it's not his show??
Agreed, Joe is still very bad with interrupting. I kinda wish Alex had his own show
@@murkinsmurff219 agreed he's very reserved and patient
Joe, let Alex finish a fakin sentence
AJoe is so self absorbed
At the end of the film when Ant-Man starts rethinking everything Kang said to him and becoming unsure if Kang was truly stopped, I think this is the 'cursed with knowledge' situation that Iron Man had with Thanos, where he was getting mental flashes of the impending doom coming after the first Avengers film. That's how it came off to me anyway
There was no real threat of consequences in this movie. I wonder if the rebel fraction is a motif that is just going to continue in most every MCU/Disney property. If so, maybe make them more interesting and give them a backstory. I felt like we were going to get a She-Hulk season ending moment in this where Scott would do something and tells the writers that this story is garbage and Kang isn’t very powerful for him to be worse than Thanos. The fourth wall breaking felt strange at the end.
All I learned is you can’t please everyone the film was good and imo better than most phase 4 films. At this point I think you’re nitpicking with MODOK and Cassie
Also I doubt Kang is dead
It's better than the other phase 4 ones but still not that great. 6/10
Endgame felt like such a concise ending I have had no interest in the MCU since then. They have become the McDonalds of movies.
I heard they gave MODOK a redemption arc??? Seriously?! Goddamn MODOK?