Richard Dawkins interview with Björn Ulvaeus from ABBA | 12th December 2015
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- Richard Dawkins in Sweden. Interviewed by Björn Ulvaeus (of the ABBA group), on the 12th of December 2015.
Discussing a myriad of interesting subjects on Dawkins tour of his new book "Brief Candle in the Dark: My Life in Science"
(The brief introduction is in Swedish, Dawkins comes in at 1:03)
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An interviewer who doesn't interrupt every 5 seconds, how refreshing, great job.
+Bongo DiMao I think that's at least partially a Swedish thing. As a Swede I was quite surprised when I first started watching non-Swedish interviews and the interviewers interrupted so much. (They also talked SO much and started every question with a really long "backstory" instead of just asking what they wanted to ask)
Yes I am a big fan of Sweden because you guys just get everything right. The most evolved people along with Norwegians.
Rohini Malhotra We don't get EVERYTHING right, but we do score a lot of points in many areas :)
C'mon Kree. we are the most evolved ppl, now, aren''t we ;-)
Very Swedish.
Well done Bjoern! What a positive surprise to see and experience you in the role of a well prepared moderator !
Bjorn Ulvaeus is an incredibly sharp and informed individual-not too many of today's popstars could conduct an interview like this. No wonder he was one of the four members of the best pop group ever: ABBA!
I suppose someone like AronRa banging out death-metal with flames shooting out his ass is more your style!
notformebeaky
Sounds like a meaningful reason. :)
Heywood Yabloome
Of coarse you can discuss taste, or debate it. lol
Heywood Yabloome
Agreed, Benny and Bjorn were musical genius in their time, and Anna was not only gorgeous but had the singing voice of an angel. They just couldn't fail in the world of commercial pop music.
notformebeaky "I don't think you can call them "genius"."
But I clearly did, read above! :)
What a lovely interview. Bjorn is a real gentleman
The members of ABBA were and are not just great musicians but clever, intelligent human beings with humility-a rare combinations of amazing character traits for "pop stars". BRAVO BJORN!
Looking forward for the NEW ABBA ALBUM in 2019!
The interviewer asked interesting questions and kept it flowing smoothly. Great discussion.
Yes Dawkins was on the back foot throughout the interview, resorting to political responses with very little to no empirical science whatsoever.
you know who the interviewer is right?
Yeah hes a great interviewer he even interviewed abba once
I find it interesting that the two of them have a similar tone and tempo of talking .. you can hear the wisdom in just the way they talk ... such way of talking seems to evolve with wisdom, I feel that way... When I hear a shallow thinking person talk, they just don't talk this way ...
I had no idea that Björn was such a sensible intellectual! All I knew about him was that he was in ABBA but now that I've heard some of his thoughts and such, I'm beginning to really like him as a person. Makes me quite proud to come from Sweden!
it was the Swedish version of "thank you for the music" I seem to remember...
Tack för alla sånger. ..vem behöver relijoner...
You could interprete ABBA's "The Piper" as an indictment of the messianic religion .. just listen to the lyrics and the medieval tone of the song, and how "Piper" sounds like "Bible", as a metaphor for mass mind control ..
Bjorn had lots of hidden criticisms of religion in this one song ...
88feji This is probably true. But I wonder if maybe it's also about the seductive power of melody, something they obviously knew a great deal about.
+Martin Pitts
Music is one of the ways to seduce people towards religion as we can see from muslim and christian chantings and singing .. its a way to seduce one away from rationality in this manner, when you enjoy the music its a little easier for some to accept what it says or to accept wholesale the source of the music .. but there are plenty of people nowadays who find that they don't necessary have to accept the message inside the religious songs in order to enjoy it for its melody and mood .. thats a good thing ..
In terms of ABBA's music, I think their music has always conveyed a lot of humanitarian sensibilities on a positive note ..
Not in a million years would I have expected to see my 2 very favourite men (my favourites but very different in professions) talking to each other (O.o) ^^
What a nice day this will be !
A very interesting interview of Richard. One of the best ever and I've seen a great number over the years. Well done Bjorn who rates as a very good interviewer.
Enjoyable interview with excellent natural interview technique from Bjorn that other interviewers could learn from.
couldn't agree more!
Dawkins is one of my favourite people and one of the most interesting by far! My respect for Björn has also grown alot after watching this interview
As a Swede and an Atheist (obviously), this is..........like the most mind-blowing mashup imaginable!
The man who made the first music I ever heard and loved, interviewing the man I've admired for decades for being someone who spreads the music of rationality to the world.
Had I been a Christian, the closest comparison to this would've been if God and Jesus came over for a tea party, I suppose.
A perfect host, true gent, Sweden has it all !!
It doesn't have me. I moved to Iceland.
It had me, though.
He's a perfect host because he's intellectually very very up there as well ....
Great host and very interesting questions. Enjoyed it.
OMG this conversation is a gem. Thank you very much.
A great pop musician who turns out to be a great host, especially for as unlikely a guest as Richard Dawkins. Whoda thunk??? I was half-hoping Bjorn would conclude with "Thank you, Mr Dawkins. It's been a pleasure. And now for your listening enjoyment...." whereupon the other members of ABBA come out in regalia and they all do Dancing Queen for Richard.
THAT would have been epic! I love Björn! He does a great job here. :-)
No, what they should've done is sing 'I Have a Dream'. Then when they got to the bit where it says 'I believe in angels, something good in everything I see' Richard might start arguing with them in the usual fashion, asking 'But what evidence do you have that angels exist?'
Björn and Richard have a lot in common, even in public life.
I would die for ABBA!! :) Great great interview, loved every minute of it! :)
Bjorn Ulveus is a good interviewer interviewing that Guy and I congratulate him on his success and integrity and intelligence and talent
and hopefully people will see that the signs of the times are everywhere and the world is getting crazier so they can seek ye first the kingdom of heaven and of God and then all those things will be added unto you
Björn is obviously more used to being interviewed, however as an interviewer He is very insightful and asking intelligent questions for which Richard seems very impressed and appreciative of.
Two Titans in Their respective Fields
great interview Björn!
I feel sorry for the translator trying to translate: The adjective noun of the adjective noun which adverbly adverbly verbed in noun of the noun which verbed adverbly verbed.
Bra jobbat, Björn.
Bjorn is very thoughtful and conscientious and does a fine job interviewing a bright, truth telling guest in Richard Dawkins. It’s funny because Bjorn is one of those valuable people who will always tell it like it is. When asked why there was such a current revival of interest in ABBA and their love filled songs he said simply, “Well you know in dark times like these people tend to cling to nostalgia.” Giving no credit to the band or any self promoting or feel good BS answer as would have been expected.
A kind of...Björn again moment...
+EASYTIGER10 Yes it seems.... there's one Björn every minute...
Bjorn interviewed Richard Dawkins? No way!!!
He can speak English with almost no hint of foreign accent. He sounds very British.
He writes pretty good English song lyrics too.
I listen to a lot of old ABBA videos on TH-cam, and have seen him speak German, Spanish and French, too.
He spends a lot of time in the UK.
When Richard says he describes himself as a scientist more than an author the Swedish text appears and says he is an author lol
I think we might all be concerned about Richard's health after his recent minor stroke. May he soon be up and about - and kicking butt!
www.bbc.com/news/uk-35571588
Richard must love visiting countries with educated populations
is this the björn from abba??
+carryall69 It is indeed :)
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Did you miss the title of the video?
+carryall69 Here's what you do. You open up Google, you write "bjorn abba" and immediately Google will display you his full name, as well as links to websites containing other information about the person. It's not that hard, is it? :)
+carryall69 : No, it is the Björn from Sweden!
I would like to interview Bjorn.
6:14
His answer to "what if you are wrong" is best
6:13 That laugh!
As a Christian and a curious fan of science, it seems the more people try to disprove the Bible the more they prove the Master of the universe exists. The interstitium (sp) that fills the spaces in between and around the planets, stars and satellites is full of surprises. And whenever one question or theory is explained, another question or questions surface. A never ending mystery. Religion is not of value as much as spirituality is...so much mystery!
Science isn't about disproving God, science is about studying and understanding the Universe.
And not a single thing in that study Suggests the existence of any God.
If anything it's clear that the idea of Gods and Holy books are made from human fiction.
You are free to believe what you want of course.
But if you are truly rational, you'll realize human like species have been around for roughly 200 thousand years, only the last 2000 we invented Christianity, and then we literally have the historical knowledge of Judaism and Islam being created too... and not just that, there is nothing supernatural about how they were passed down. They were written by people in books...
Written language and books are human inventions, fictional stories are human inventions...
So it's pretty obvious we just created Gods as a fictional story.
Not just that, we also know people invented literally thousands of gods in stories all around the world.
Greek, Norse, Hindu etc.
Even the Middle East had many different gods before Islam was created.
I'm curious why you believe in God, and why you do you think Science is proving the existence of a god?
The existence of mysteries doesn't prove the existence of a god???
Feel less lonely that so many people like me held my believes. And that Richard is the 1st knight.
Bjorn is highly intelligent. now you know where the songs came from.
Also the brains behind the money of ABBA
God
"Nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent. This is one of the hardest lessons for humans to learn. We cannot admit that things might be neither good nor evil, neither cruel nor kind, but simply callous--indifferent to all suffering." Richard Dawkins
HOW, WHEN and WHERE humans started suffering? WHICH selfish gene is responsible for their suffering? WHAT genetic mutation makes it so hard for them to learn that nature is not cruel, only pitilessly indifferent?
16:00
Well, they do fade, tattoos. But since they say "every *x amount of years* all your cells are replaced". Now, IIRC isn't tattos also scar tissue? Because scar tissue doesn't really get replaced
Good on ye both, a very magnetic interview. Praise Brian son of Brian
Seems Bjorn doesn't take pop music culture as serious the way he is serious being a thinker. A rare pop star with high intelligence.... no wonder why he is a genius lyricist in the history of pop music.
I like the idea that the "self" is an illusion. And I think it is ...
Well, it's an illusion in the sense that we think our thoughts are our own, whereas in reality, we're merely reacting and responding to chemical and electrical impulses
in the brain. We may feel hungry, but it's the body that's hungry; not us. So if we use that as an example, it makes you wonder to what extent we're slaves to our own beings?
Is it possible that our minds could force us to behave in a violent manner, for example? Without us having a say about it?
It's not uncommon that people who suffer from head injuries suddenly start to behave in very uncharacteristic ways. So are they no longer "themselves", or have their brains
adapted to their new situation and altered their personality? And if so, is the new personality any less real than the previous one?
Questions, questions, questions...
My brain grew
Bjorn is Swedish.
Respekt Bjjörn
Isn ‘t the drawings in caves a form of language? (Communication).
Would there not be a form of language or communication then? They say the Summarians were the first to have formed written words. Curious about that.
I do not believe in the Darwin theory. I do believe in Creation.
Intellect seems to pull people away from spirituality. From dignity to better than thou attitude. Nice interview. Got me opening my science books again.
You don't have to believe in Darwins theory, Theories are proven explanations. The word you meant to use is "hypothesis", an hypothesis is a guess at a possible explanation. A Theory is something that has been tested and can be proven and has no evidence against it (because if it did, it would be instantly rejected by science as disproven and therefore NOT an explanation of anything).
If you know anything about biology and medicine you know Evolution is real. The fact that you don't "believe" in Evolution means you don't actually understand biology and Medicine to any meaningful depth.
I'll explain it for you:
Evolution or Darwins Theory is proven and based on two things: Genetic Mutation and Natural Selection.
Both of which you can observe.
Cells, Dna, Bacteria, viruses etc. Mutate, change, adapt.
This is literally Darwins Theory that you can see in real time.
And natural selection occurs in nature all around us all the time as well as in human society even.
The creation of wildly different physical features from natural selection is obvious, but if you want a solid example you can look up the Silver Fox Experiment, which they artificially bred Silver Foxes after different behaviors, and by accident created Foxes that had MANY different colors, coats, physical features as well as mental features.
There are other known studies of bacteria and viruses.
As well as some observations on Adaptation by Lizards on a particular island that Evolved and changed during a very short time. A few decades.
You can easily google these things and find the stories and information online on these and more.
These two things alone prove Darwinism and Evolution is real, happens, and has happened.
Also you are spitting in the face of human ancestors as THEY are the real creators of Humanity, not Gods. You are insulting our heritage as a Species by claiming we didn't create ourselves and then you give this away to the idea of a God that doesn't exist.
We Human Beings created our species AND we created Gods.
Not the other way around.
Forget your belief for a second and imagine that, people struggled so we could live, and then you go and say "no, God did it".
That's wrong, PEOPLE died so we could live.
Not Gods.
Non sequitur. The brain that was selected to survive on the African savannah is not the brain that comprehends quantum physics. The latter is a brain that has been selected through later evolution.
I don't want to talk
about the things we've gone through...
My hero!
He say that the first human would have nobody to talk to. But what if it started in twins? Twins seem to have a stronger ability to create language then most.
This may be a bit more in deep water. But how about triplet, where 2 where had conjoined brains. That culd have given them some abnormal way to comunicate, and some of it may have been transfered to the last triplet that survived.
Its the first thing that pops into my mind anyway. >.>
+Caim Pact I don't remember if it was Dawkins or Björn who said it? I would assume Björn?
Either way it most likely happened gradually in the end. The ability to communicate clearly exists in most if not all species to varying extents, in one form or another. So the gradually increasing complexity of what that communication can contain and perform a function between two or more individuals isn't so hard to see I think.
Or maybe the part of the brain that allowed for more human type language might have survived for a different function, and the added complexity in perception and linguistics might have been just an added bonus. Who knows.
Or maybe it's as you say, a quintet of babies ;)
+Caim Pact Actually now that I think of it, it's not unforeseeable that a single individual born with such an ability might still have had a function for it. Though that individual might not have been able to communicate their line of thought to others, they could still show them the products of it, in problem solving, and their ways of thinking improving.
So maybe there was but a lonely soul at some points, or maybe more likely even several at different times before that trait became widespread.
Space Age Shakespeare
I would think a person able to think in such a way would have a rather great edge. And I was thinking of 2 brothers like that, hunting together. Compared those who culd not comunicate as well.
I culd more or less, see them become heros within their family or group. And just like somone who speak english would teach an african child english. The parents would naturaly have their children learn the same way to comunicate.
So it spreding alredy after the first generation , I see as very possible.
While the childs brain may not naturaly be set to comunicate like the parent. We know a child who play instruments like violin, can change the brain physically.
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There are a lot of strange things that can happen to peoples brains too. I belive one such thing is called savant? Where the brain do some rather strange stuff. There shuld have been a lot of strange brains up thru time.
Caim Pact Well we do know that children who don't develop language before a certain age remain with a severe impediment to learning language for the rest of their life, so that tells you that the capacity is in the brain, but that it had to be pushed and essentially developed, invented, consciously designed etc.
And then trained into the brain from childhood to really grasp it the way we do today. That's a very interesting fact I think.
In other words we're born with the capacity, but only attain the ability to use it with training.
"a lot of strange brains up thru time" I like the way you put that haha :)
+Caim Pact
Perhaps the most profound thing you alluded there, to is ..."things that pop into the mind..." _How_ does this happen? is probably a better question here, rather than "Why" does this happen? I know that Sam Harris has his own ideas about this.
A genius interviews another genius.
Who wrote these subtitles?! They are so badly spelled.
Swedish subs...
Not for Swedes. lol
I was there that evening, and I remember thinking; If I'm ever to be killed in a islamistic attack, tonight is the night! Well... I'm still here.
Bjorn,why do you fight against some that doesn't exist,especially since ultimately nothing matters,so what's the point,since you believe there is no point.
Why are you arguing against a fabricated Björn that you just made up?
Björn doesn't believe what you just said, that life is meaningless etc.
You are fabricating a version of him that doesn't exist just so that you have an argument to make.
The same thing you do when you fabricate a belief in a God that never existed so that you can try to make the argument for Immortal life after Death because you fear Death.
And because you're too weak to make your own meaning in life so you believe because you think you HAVE to believe in order for you to overcome these things because you can't find answers to those questions on your own.
The sad part is that you decided to take answers from others who are 2000 years old 😑
We have BETTER answers now.
Life is the only thing that does have meaning in the universe, it's a life spent believing something that doesn't exist that is meaningless.
Not life without the lie.
42:55 Well, hell will answer that question for you.
Very interesting but they don't make any difference between religion and the existence of a creator.....you might not be a religious person (don't follow any religion) .....but believe in the existence of a creator
I get what you're saying, but Dawkins has talked about that before elsewhere.
And also, Religion is defined as a "belief in a supernatural controlling power".
So being religious in other words doesn't necessarily mean you believe in any of the established Religions.
Just that you believe in a supernatural creator or controlling power.
First ,Thanks for your answer...... I approach the existence of a creator in a very rational way...the first atom, the first quark or string didn't show up in the universe (whatever this means) by any magic ....or else was an infinite existence....the logic is that somebody create it ....between two principles magic presence of matter, quark etc and/or infinite existence (not even mathematicians deal with) and the existence of a creator .. I go for the simple one,...and the existence of a creator doesn't have to be a controlling or intervening power in the universe
There's no logic in saying "someone created it", because you then have to answer "who created that creator?".
If you think it's plausible that simple things like atoms and sub atomic particles can be "created" and require a creator to be explained, yet something FAR MORE complex LIKE a "creator" can just pop up out of nowhere with no explanation then your Logic is completely backwards.
It's the other way around.
Things would logically have to begin simple, not begin with the most complex thing we know which is a conscious lifeform.
The idea of the creator is actually way more complex! Not simple!
Because you actually have to explain how that creator functions and show proof of it doing the things you just claimed. All the evidence show the opposite, that no conscious being created anything.
And again, you'd then have to explain where you get the proof and evidence that such a being exists, that they're capable of doing that.
Which means that IF that was true, you'd be able to test that any day of the week at any time. But you can't, because it's not true.
Either it's real and you can test it and that's how you know its real, or you can't test it, in which case how do you know anything about it if you can't test any part of it?
You're just making shit up at that point.
Not that is the thing we don't have to explain how the creator function....We can't understand Quantum mechanics...even less string theory ....and we are going to pretend how the creator function....that is arrogance!!. I don't have a theory how the creator works. Well if you think you can prove the opposite the Universe...or whatever came before the big bang exist forever (infinity)....PROVE it to me. According to people who deny the existence of a creator....they think they have to prove nothing. WRONG!!!. They have to prove that this Universe or previous Universes or first quark, string or atom came from something and not just show up like "magic". Because for me the only alternative that there is no creator is, .....the forever existence of some kind of Universe, initial quark, string etc.... not even the mathematicians can deal with infinity... they always go around
Which itself is the most disingenuous fallacy of the human intellect.
the fist discussion no one fanatic try to convince richard
Genetic ingenering is doing in very few moment what nature would do in hundred of years but sometimes the wind and the bees/mosquitos would precipitate !
If you change your mind...
I'm the first in line! Honey I'm still free, take a change on me!
I had no idea Clinton knew so much about programming.
+deezebee2 I think there are some old great documentaries with him on TH-cam which are very interesting, where he talks about his fascination and love of programming :)
There's one where, in a lecture, he brings out a computer to see how many generations it would take for a spiderweb to take the shape that they often have today, pressured to take the shape that is most efficient for catching prey, and most efficiently built.
It's pretty interesting :)
Space Age Shakespeare that's pretty cool.
Did he ever say which programming languages he learned and which one/s is/are his favourite?
deezebee2 He did :) in a recent similar interview but I can't remember which one, sorry.
DOS is not a programming language, it's a simple operating system. I saw this interview a few weeks ago and remember Dawkins talked about recursion in programming languages, but I totally missed out about "Clinton"...?
That is his first name, was named so after his father.
People don't get into science because not everyone has a head for the weird maths required...
QUESTIONS I will address:
[1] The majority of humanity does not understand what "existence is?"
[2] Religion is not a "possestion" of Biblical Worship?
[3] Does the majority of humanity understand the verb: to be?
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EXISTENCE
Existence is all solar systems collectively as one place. The People and the planets and the sun and all stars are one huge "single place. The earth does not work without the sun. The people do not live without the earth.
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The whole of all existence is occurring and every entity in existence effects the other (the sun effects the earth and so on).
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The "BIG BANG THEORY and the EVOLUTION THEORY" are not proven.
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What is known is that: All existence is one BEING (collectively). Existence is BEING (Being; Existence is occurring).
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TWO
RELIGION
RELIGION is the "Practice of a Belief which is chosen as fact to be BELIEVED to be true. RELIGION applies to all life, not just BIBLICAL HOUSES of WORSHIP.
For human beings to develope, human beings must form BELIEFS and then RELIGOULY practice those beliefs. If human beings believe 2+2=4, then human beings can build upon 2+2=4 to reach 4+4=8 therefore, human beings are developing. Vocabulary can be advanced, by RELIGOUSLY practicing the formation of an alphabet. Human beings can develope.
Human Beings do things RELIGOUSLY. Sample: 2+2=4
Since 2+2=4 we religously practice 2+2=4
We do NOT *RELIGOUSLY* practice 2+2=7
We RELIGOULY practice what we BELIEVE to be true.
[[NOTE]]
[A] Christian Worshippers believe JESUS to be the Messiah, therefore, a Christian's BELIEF in JESUS, to be the Messiah, is one of the BELIEFS which the Christians *RELIGOUSLY* practices.
[B] JEWISH Worshippers do NOT BELIEVE Jesus is the Messiah, therefore the Jewish people do NOT *RELIGOUSLY* practice the BELIEF that Jesus is the Messiah.
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Therefore, *RELIGION* is a "practice of a BELIEF" which is chosen as fact to be true.
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It is BELEIVED that one nation of people can *RELIGOULY* practice the Swedish Language and communicate properly. The French BELIEVE they can *RELIGOUSLY* practice the French language and communicate properly. And it is true, people can Develope themselves and DEVELOPE different languages in order to communicate properly.
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THREE
The Verb TO BE
TO BE means to occur; TO BE means to exist: TO BE means BEING (existing).
At the begining of this article which I am writing, I wrote about EXISTENCE. All EXISTENCE is BEING, therefore, All EXISTENCE does "BE" (thus: TO BE or NOT to BE/ NOT TO BE or TO BE). Humanity may name the BEING of existence (BEING; The OCCURRING OF ALL EXISTENCE) and the BEING can be given a name, and that name can be: GOD.
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People are BEINGS who can be called: Human BEINGS.
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Life as WE know LIFE to BE, from the BEGINING, Began as GOD chose. IF GOD ( The BEING of EXISTENCE) CHOSE the "BIG BANG THEORY" in the begining, then GOD chose the BIG BANG THEORY. If GOD Chose EVOLUTION, in the begining, then GOD chose EVOLUTION. Neither the BIG BANG nor EVOLUTION is proven. However it is PROVEN EXISTENCE is a BEING who we may call GOD.
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Existence is a CREATION. Since CREATION is a CREATION, CREATION has a CREATOR; The CREATOR (BEING) is whom many people have chosen to call GOD.
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RELIGION is neccessary to the developement of life (humanity).
It's unfortunate you have no slightest understanding about science, mathematics and linguistics.
"The "BIG BANG THEORY and the EVOLUTION THEORY" are not proven."
Just like gravity, atoms electromagnetic waves etc are not proven. You cannot prove scientific theories. But unfortunately for you, however, there is massive amount of evidence supporting both big bang and evolution theory for being extremely accurate model of how the nature works.
"Since 2+2=4 we religously practice 2+2=4"
You may practice it religiously, but unfortunately for you, however, mathematicians don't. They use very basic algebra to *prove* 2+2=4.
"TO BE means..."
In English "to be" may mean the things you describe. In some languages there are many words which when translated to English becomes "to be". In others there are words which at the same time means what English "to be" means and also other things. As I just demonstrated, semantic gymnastics with words doesn't prove anything. It only tells about the language the words belong to.
Conclusion: I highly recommend you to educate yourself. First in science, then in mathematics and finally in linguistics.
How could there be evolution when he's talking about precise changing and sudden alteration . Evolution suppose gradually changing and multiple options with selection ?
In a way he's contradictory!
He's using 'i don't know'" too many times ,so how can he have convictions
I like that he is honest in admitting these things. To me they do point in the different direction of evolution.
lo que menos me esperaría de una estrella de pop de los 70 xd
"Ali" XD
Swedish Otaku LOLOL
Please, translate to spanish
Science will never conquer pop culture as pop is easier for many people, requires little effort.
15 minutes in and Dawkins is clearly out of his depth, he is clearly uncomfortable within this interview, he left science long before and resorted to political statements and personal philosophies rather than scientific responses to the questions posed by Bjorn.
If one looks at Bjorn's body language it's evidently clear the whole way through this that he does not like Richard Dawkins very much on a personal level, even at the end where they shake hands, Bjorn does not want to get too close.
It's clear that all the questions were written down for Bjorn, however when he makes the statement "I as a secular humanist..." one must wonder how a secular humanist could write a lyric to the masses "I believe in angels". Care to respond Bjorn? :D
ABBA fans take note.
ABBA is God.
ABBA in Hebrew means "father"
But NOT Bjorn ulveaus
I dunno guys, Dawkins is proposing jellyfish cats, he's gone too far this time.
Dawkins is clearly afraid to confront ihimself with scientists studying spiritual phenomena, and actual events that near death experiences. He just interviews religious which is easy to argue against.
There's no such thing as a "spiritual phenomena".
Near death experiences aren't hard to explain at all. Try "after death" experiences when the activity of the brain has totally stopped :P no experiences like that exist obviously. You are just experiencing hallucinations with your brain in near death states.
In other words, you dream. When you dream your mind creates an entire world that you exist in. When you hallucinate it creates elements that aren't there and jumbles the brains model of reality that your sense create, and the brain then constructs from the senses input. When something strange happens in the brain, that models gets messed up and voila: hallucinations.
Or when the brain simulates it's own inputs when asleep you get dreams.
It's all fantastic, wonderful, amazing etc. but there's nothing spiritual about any of it.
There's no such thing as a "spirit" or "soul" for that matter, they are poetic words meant to describe some feature of a persons personality or the felt characteristics of reality or otherwise. Poetic descriptions in other words.
The word "Soul" is a nice word to use for the collective features of a persons personality and way of being/living/etc. but that is not the same as meaning that a soul is some thing that is separate from the body, it's just a word to sort of poetically describe the sum of your being. It's not a "thing" in and of itself.
Strange that all people of all ages and from all cultures have almost identical hallucinations ha ha ha. You made a good attempt to answer here, but not good enough. You are now talking with a person who has set himself thoroughly into this subject in a period of more than half a century, and have he's own experiences of many contacts with deceased. Eternal existence of our consciousness, is the most logical and natural of all, and there is nothing to be afraid of.
flyingroster05 No I'm saying you clearly did not study Neuroscience nor psychology properly if at all during that half a century you just boasted about.
If you knew anything about modern Neuroscience (which of course, didn't exist as it does today half a century ago) then you'd know that when you look at plausible explanations for hallucinations or "visions" as you might call them, then you'd quickly realize that the most plausible explanation is a known and explicit phenomena of the brain which is precisely Hallucination. Hallucinations can be extremely vivid because the thing is this: when you look at the world as it is, without hallucinations or visions, you're actually seeing a model your brain creates from the input it gets from your senses (your smell, sight, hearing etc.). In this case, primarily your eyesight.
So what you are seeing, or indeed ANYONE is seeing, is actually not reality itself, but the human brains interpretation of the sense input FROM reality.
For instance, the sense of balance is determined by parts that sit near your ear. When people get certain ear diseases some part of the ear gets swollen, this puts pressure on the nerves that signal to the brain where your balance is and as a result the patient feels like the room is spinning and they collapse. Is the room spinning? No.
Yet they are absolutely certain it did or experienced it as if it happened, yet most of them of course know and understand it didn't happened, it's hard to come to terms with because it truly is a reality altering type of disease to have because it precisely throws your senses with false information due to the swollen ear parts that distort the signals to the brain that tells it where your balance is, which side is up, which side is down etc.
So anyway, these kinds of "jumbling" of reality itself (as it is perceived by the human brain) isn't just limited to hallucinations, drug induced or otherwise, nor to just dreams, nor even to just powerful imaginative people who can imagine and feel themselves into a different place (through meditation or just having fun with imagination), but that doesn't mean they actually went somewhere, just like the dreaming person also didn't go anywhere from their bed, nor did the hallucinating person actually see the things they thought they saw because the brains signals were going haywire.
The point is that these are all examples of how this function of the brain, the model it makes, and the vulnerabilities and possibilities that mechanism of the brain has.
What it ISN'T an example of is "supernatural" phenomena that outright contradict what we know in ANOTHER field of Scientific study, which is Physics of course.
It just doesn't exist, sorry, what you have experienced are extraordinary cognitive and perceptive phenomenas, not anymore real than a beautiful dream, and dreams can be powerful, important and wonderful experiences indeed, so by no means am I saying that this belittles your experience. I'm just telling you what it is the result OF.
Whether you "believe" that explanation or not is irrelevant, it's the ONLY explanation that is correct whether you agree or not. Facts exist independently to whatever anyone may think of them :S
I used to wish we could move mountains with hour minds, but alas, that's not reality, maybe one day Science will make it reality though ;)
You made here a long comment. but you know very well that Neuroscience don't explain consciousness at all, nor the NDI. There is a specialists in this field who is on my side, and even experienced NDI by himself. You can escape from the truth to your dying day, it's up to you.
Did the aliens talk to you about that?
He seems to think that gene editing is like computer programming but it is laborious and often unsuccessful and viruses not human can do it so that comparaison is totally false !
At th-cam.com/video/ZmacqKEJHvM/w-d-xo.html the guy openly admits he was accompanied with an escort LOL
Escort doesn't mean "prostitute" you moron 🤦🏻♂️
An Escort just means a person accompanying you. It is used to mean shady things but that's not what he meant. You should learn what the word means and use your brain next time.
Dawkins is married ffs for a LONG time 🙄
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Bugger off.
Nobody will convert because of some internet guy's bible quote
Too bad .they both are clever persons but richard Downkins will surely not remembered as Aristotle will be in 500 hundred years or more . This guy seems totally in love with himself ?!
don't bring a fantasy writer such as Marx in a conversation of logic.
Are you trying to dictate to them what to do? Marx was a historian, and you may not agree with him, but...
I've got so tired with all these religion vs atheism ,creation vs evolution, flat earth vs globe earth shit so I unsubscribed all channels and stopped seeing this video but I don't know why sometimes get recommended with this unnecessarily I don't want to any of these videos on debates debunking and stuff but this stupid fucking recommendations irritate me
Well, that would be TH-cams algorithms for you. If you've watched related videos in the past it recommends the stuff.
I agree the debates are ridiculous, this video however is not about a debate :) it's just an interview.
Sorry but you sound self-contradicting ..why did you click on the recommended videos even though you're so tired of seeing them ??
88feji It explains (rather well) why the person seems uninterested in these debates. If you're tired of the truth, don't seek it.
I think its a sign of addiction when one swears to quit watching certain kind of videos and debates , yet can't help but click on it when its recommended on his screen ..
" ....The first human had no body to talk to..." first of all, Adam was created first and EVE from him. Second God was talking to humans, directly. Most importantly male and female are necessary, at least for life to have real life. Before you comment on creation know basics. Thanks,