The article has interviews with 4 other scientists about this theory, including Donald Hoffman. It gives an overview and discusses the experiments. This video is an opportunity to hear directly from Penrose (also embedded at the bottom of the article). I thought they might complement each other. Thanks for reading/watching
I'm not a science person so forgive me if I am confused by the Hemingway paradox. If he was already dead in classic reality when he pulled the trigger in quantum reality, how could he have made a conscious decision?
@@peterallison5700I'm struggeling to grasp this too. One has to let go of our perspective of time in this classical reality that we experience. Quantum reality is "timeless", it doesn't have an arrow of time. So it's only a paradox when viewed from classical reality, where there is a before and after. My current attempt at understanding it is that, in quantum reality, the present moment is a "bubble" where possibilities are "decided" upon (randomly or not) by wave function collapse. In our experience of time in classical reality, it's less than half a second. In quantum reality, it's just "the moment". So when Hemmingway's consciousness decides to pull the trigger in quantum reality, the effect (killing himself) can appear to happen slightly before that in classical reality. Somehow. But it's all in the same moment, from the quantum perspective. I'm most likely misinterpreting or misunderstanding something though, so I'm sorry if I'm only making it worse :) Hopefully someone else can help make it clearer. In any case, I take it to mean that quantum reality is the fundamental level of reality, of which (proto-)consciousness is a fundamental aspect, which has a lot of philosophical implications.
Well, maybe. There is a lot garbage in all these metaphysical talks. Penrose talks a lot, I feel very suspicious of such talk. How much of his stuff is falsifiable or provable?
I respect your opinion if is based on your deep understanding of Sir. Penrose ideas. He is building a theory that is based on physics and math, not metaphysic@@musiclover4311
@@Joseph-fw6xxI wonder the opposite, as Physics seems to be increasingly captured by stale orthodoxies. Relatively few physicists seem to have the integrity and independence to question them - age might be an advantage.
It takes a really smart interviewer to hold this dialogue with arguably one of the greatest scientific and mathematicical intellects of the past century and still consider the viewer also. Massive kudos for this.
Yes, the interviewer really did her homework and could identify the concepts and move them forward in a clear, concise manner. I think Penrose appreciated this and was pleased. Certainly a tribute to his humanity that he became emotionally overwhelmed recounting the elephant story. A very human being with a staggering intellect. What a treat. Thanks!
This stands out as the best interviews of Roger Penrose in at least a decade. Hats off to the interviewer for investing the time in researching his work and spending time with him in developing trust and raport. This has created an invaluable record of an extraordinary mind, both deaply analytical and charmingly playfull. Thank you so much.
This interview blew my mind. The article is amazing, so well written, but this interview? WOW. Sir Roger Penrose is not one of the most brilliant minds alive: he is one of the most brilliant minds EVER. And so generous, sensitive, what an amazing man. Congratulations Andrea for being such an amazing and prepared interviewer. Thank you, you are a great journalist. What an interview.
It makes me very happy too that folks like yourself go out of your way to show appreciation for his amazing talent. Makes me think that the world is full of interesting humans. :)
Excellent presentation. Penrose threw down the gauntlet (effectively) more than 30 years ago stating physics could not advance significantly until a theory of consciousness emerged. One of the greatest minds ever in physics, I tend to think.
I have a question for everyone who may read this. **WHAT IS THE GENERAL CONSCENSUS OF [DONALD HOFFMAN's] Work? (soory if i mispelled his last name) Im referring to the man that broke Space-time. and add to the simulation theory and the conscious problem.? just curious to know other opinions
Yet physics had made several significant advances in the past 30 years and will continue to without a non-sensical theory cooked up by an elderly professor well past his mental peak and a Peter Gabriel lookalike to flog a few books.
I would argue physics have advanced significantly in the last 30 years though. That claim sounds completely unsubstantiated. Unless you believe in magic then consciousness is an emergent property. Exactly why it emerges I have no idea, maybe that's the theory you're after. While it would be very insightful to find out I don't see why it would cause a significant boom in the rest of the field of physics. I think neuroscientists have a better chance of cracking how conscioussness works than physicists.
REALITY is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose. Understanding the purpose is far more important than knowing anything about anything. From this perspective, Penrose is on the RIGHT TRACK. All science, to be science, must follow the laws of information science. Therefore, treating reality like an information process is the logical thing to do. Quanta = one bit of information.
Living objects are ruled by independent quantum processes, lifeless objects are governed by a single process, which brings up the question, are stars alive?
Since an information process can't be carried out to infinite precision, randomness is necessary to prevent aliasing when functions computed in the frequency domain become fixed.
Wow...I've watched many interviews with Penrose where you could tell he was bored to death and wished he could be somewhere else. But you can tell he is just having the best time in these interviews! This is both thoroughly educational and wholesome....love it!
I've been on a Penrose binge and this is the very first video I found where the interviewer was able to ask piercing, incisive questions that allowed Sir Roger to articulate his thinking more clearly. This shows the interviewer has a level of understanding of the subject that goes beyond shallowness. The ability to restate Sir Roger's thoughts into clearer, more succinct statements is a gem of an ability. Another thing people don't notice is that this video is a collection of videos that were edited together to be logically coherent. Otherwise, it would be hard to follow Sir Roger's thoughts as he meanders quite a bit when explaining things. He often stops and shares anecdotes of past events to connect to his explanations then circle back to the original question after having answered several questions that popped up for him mid-thought. So credit needs to go to the editor as much as to the interviewer. In any case, I think this interview deserves a Pulitzer prize for elucidating such a very diffocult topic to comprehend on a very groundbreaking theory which I feel is on the right track to a UFT or TEO.
This is a comment on the article in Forbes. Please don't take this the wrong way, most science based reporting these days is undertaken by lay people who appear too lazy to research the subject they are writing about. This leads to inaccurate and confusing prose, leading to misconceptions that are sometimes amplified many times over. It is refreshing to read something penned by someone who understands the concepts they are writing about and one who has obviously expended considerable time and effortbin doing so. It shows, your writing is excellent and it was a very interesting article, thank you.
@@donaldhobson8873 so you’re new to the concept of quantum reality Donald? Roger is just being honest because no one truly understands what’s going on…those that pretend they’re no confused are con artists trying to sell you something You’re welcome…
@@DunningKrugerJnr Nope. Many people understand what's going on. Just unfortunately penrose and most pop sci authors aren't among them. I am not particularly new to quantum mechanics, I have done several courses on it at uni.
What a gift this interview is. Andrea, if there's a Pulitzer for interview moderating you deserve a nomination. I've heard so many people try to explain the relationship between quantum and classical physics but never as intuitively as Sir Penrose did here.
Have to agree. I've admired Sir Roger Penrose for decades and this may be one of the best interviews of him I've seen. She deserves great praise for her knowledge, ability to listen carefully, and to ask the right questions. This interview is an accomplishment of a lifetime but I get the feeling we will be hearing more from her and she will continue to blow our minds🎉👍🏾
"I've heard so many people try to explain the relationship between quantum and classical physics but never as intuitively as Sir Penrose did here." I have heard so much confusing "noise" on this topic, but after stepping into R.P.s thought here most of the noise in my mind has now gone quite :)
Your ability to take in and rephrase what Penrose was saying made these interviews truly engaging and thought provoking. Thanks so much for the great work.
Best conversation I have listened to in my life since my father passed away. Sir Penrose is a grace to our species. May consciousness bless him indefinitely And what a sympathetic duo. Excellent job by the interviewer. I look forward to following your work.
Wonderful interview. I have admired Dr Penrose for 30 years and have watched a lot of interviews. You are one of the rare minds able to think on his level and thereby get really great answers. It's remarkable to think that Roger is 93 years old and his mind is sharp as a razor! And he's still working, giving interviews, lectures and working on theory. Amazing man! Definitely one of my heros!🎉👍🏾
I'm just some dumbass that watches a ton of physics, math, and space videos and this is the most natural and enthusiastic I've ever seen him... like this is more in like with how he is not in interviews I like to imagine.
You have done an outstanding job of drawing out Sir Roger so that he clearly explains his ideas. You have posed some wonderful questions that have him pondering things in ways that he hasn't thought about. I think that you two make a powerful combination, and I recommend that you both work together much more! Fantastic!
This has to be the most comprehensive and digestible presentation of this theory available on the internet right now. More people need to try to understand these ideas so we can actually fund the experiments that matter!
Agree!. Superb. Her questioning is very clear and very sharp. It is the best way to discuss such a topic. You can see places where Roger or her seem confused but they were not. Just contemplating the complexity of the subject. It gets the mind ramping to 100%...
I don't agree at all, on the subject of digestible. Pembrose's hypothesis that the observer effect confuses us because we've been looking at it *backwards* could be presented in a single sentence. But it was a good ramble, guided by smart questions.
Great interview. Penrose really is the greatest physicist of my lifetime, and I have to commend the interviewer for being smart and empathetic in her ability to understand and communicate these ideas.
This has to be the BEST interview with Penrose I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Andrea Morris is a wonderful interviewer....so very smart, inciteful and provocative. I'm REALLY looking forward to a follow up on this cause we were going places you don't get to in so many other interviews. Plus...I can't get enough of Andrea, my god she is stunningly beautiful.
What a wonderful interview! I've never seen one in which he's so engaged in an enthusiastic back and forth of ideas, rather than just answering prepared questions. I'll bet he found your spontaneous intelligence very refreshing! You really 'got' him. and what a lovely man. Thanks for this.
Penrose is what in earlier times would have been called a "polymath". He's not just a scientist; he's a visionary, and he's an artist as well. It doesn't need to be pointed out that the man who was Stephen Hawking's Ph.D advisor is a heavy hitter in intellectual circles. The way Penrose thinks simultaneously scientifically and artistically about existence (as did Einstein) is truly something to behold. I also love the way he's willing to go out on a limb, and delve into areas where he knows he doesn't have the answers. I personally think he's on the level with the greatest scientist/philosophers who have ever lived, but of course, that's just my opinion.
No, not really, Penrose came after a time where a plymath was possible. A polymath was an expert in many fields, but as time went on the knowledge base and specialization as well as the growth of the number of fields grew such that it was no longer possible for great thinkers to be foremost experts in more than perhaps a few. But no doubt had he been born at a early time in history he would likely have been a polymath.
And yet he says things like, "Memory may be stored in nuclear spins. I don't know." That's not where it's stored, and if it were, strong magnets could wipe your memory. Smart people have bad ideas, too, and I'm pretty sure Orch OR is a humdinger of a bad idea. Other tells include, "We don't have funding yet" and "Not sure about the experiments." He's Roger Freaking Penrose. If his proposed research had merit, he'd have funding by now.
Wow, you are killing it with this interview! Penrose isn't particularly easy to talk to and this is wonderful. Can't wait to see what else you've got on your channel 🙌
What a beautiful and insightful interview... Your intelligence is clearly evident when maintaining a conversation with Sir Penrose, where he laughs out of questions he didn't imagine coming and/or have no answers to. What a treat!
Incredible conversation and subsequent elucidation of these beautiful ideas. What a gift to humanity to have the intellect of Penrose coincide in time with the observed capacity of the interviewer to crystallize these concepts into a meaningful and understandable web of ideas and remaining questions to be further explored.
@DeepState-nf4bc It's been my experience that when someone takes the time to bash religion in a discussion about science, they clearly know dick about either. I'm sure you're no different.
Just SO good! I love Penrose for sticking to his guns about consciousness not being computational. For talking about 'understanding' which he admits he cannot define. For me, this whole discussion goes back to the first living cells. In order to persist, there had to be some 'understanding' going on. And the kicker is that the cell and the environment are in and of a single dynamic, ever-changing system, albeit with regularities that are exploitable. So, in my view, our precious 'understanding' of so much about our world, may not be separated from the first living cells, and all that has transpired since. This is truly a mega multidisciplinary investigation and Penrose has begun the investigation, as well as this interviewer who has an extremely sharp mind, refreshingly quick in her thinking and keeping up with Penrose. No wonder the conversations have been more than just one! Bravo to both people!
Fantastic conversations with a fantastic man. I’ve been obsessed by OrchOR for years, and your video is the best I’ve seen so far on TH-cam. Such a shame Penrose and Hammeroff are getting so old! We need people to keep this idea alive and moving forward…
The lady who conducted this interview is the collapse of the wave function. She is fantastic and intelligent, asks great questions, listens carefully and doesn't talk over others, and she makes the subject interesting and intelligible for a non-scientific poet like me. Sir Roger Penrose is an amazing man, a super brain but also kind and humble, funny, and a gentleman. What an amazing video!
Actually, I found her very annoying and it was as if she were interviewing herself butdecided to look at the comments and after seeing yours I thought I'd give her another chance so I'll see. I've seen many interviews with Sir Roger and generally the interviewer stays off screen.
@@williambrady1043 Try interviewing Penrose as well as she did. It ain't easy. He's charalay von cordinglygoose, and therefore she's prenopoliocko. I think she's absolutely fantastic and I think you should too. Besides, we're all going to have to get on in eternity ❤️
Could the big bang have been caused in the future? If we reach the point where the quantum codes required to create the universe are found, would this cause the false vacuum state to suddenly become true, and then reformat the universe to form new heavens and a new earth?
How did I stumble on this?! So fascinating, I thought I’d listen to a few minutes and ended up watching the whole thing. I may have struggled understanding some of the concepts but got the gist of most and I studied Physics at A level. Two highly intelligent people in conversation, riveting stuff 💪🏽
Amazing interview. I couldn't imagine how proud I would be to sit down with the legendary, Sir Roger Penrose, and to have him impressed by my questions and knowledge. Thank you! I've got a lot to think about now...
I don’t think impress is the right word. Giving a statement that would interest him. One that challenges in an inviting way. I believe that for most all that it would be many more challenging to themselves to get there.
As a former skateboarder in freestyle of semi-pro level ability ( I did kickflips back in 1977 after meeting the world champion & could do over 20 360s ) you have a projection ahead of the reality of hitting that ramp edge, stony surface, doing rapid spins on a wet piece of concrete or anything else that might throw you off course or out of the routine. This envisaged mental construct of what one hopes is the preprogammed fruition of a coming trick event. When I fell, which truthfully wasn't THAT often, time slows down. Or appears to. Sports coaches refer now to things like muscle memory. Skate tricks done now are so complicated and rapid that skaters are capable of flipping the board back or cancelling it mid flight. Even in the 70s I sometimes landed 4 or 5 rotation kickflips on my specialist board before finally snapping it ! Todays skating tho is so fast and complicated that even slow motion replays need several viewings to understand the orientations, foot/ rider stance or positioning, minor foot pivoting differences that a skater of ability knows to register at critical points on the board. Good skaters become very aware of practical classical physics- centre of gravity, pulling in on spins etc. However I found myself back then that the ideal spin seemed quantized. A faster speed and generally more rotations could seemingly be achieved by pulling in the arms in a somewhat jerky motion- in stages. The head positioning also was critical. Nowadays even vert ramp aerials are measured in multiple spins at pro level. Not just the usual 180 or even 540s! (To non skaters- references of note - Rodney Mullen , Johnny Giger, K.Harris , Andy Andersen Bob Burnquist, Mitchie Brusco, Sky Brown, Tony Hawk) The feedback mechanisms registered bodily in sports, music and the other performing arts, even cooking, painting etc, based on time aware and time sensitive (even recent past abrogating? Twin directional? ) micro tubules at cytological to neural networking level? A surfer might literally feel a collapse of the wave function 🏄♀️. Shrodinger's wipeout? Interesting that the construct of micro tubules seem helical in nature from what little I have seen after my interest was stimulated recently by this video.
"In the zone" Perhaps, its because the observer is unconsciously the observer in such moments. No character/narrative "Me", separating the observer from the observed. Its a nice place. Like when one gets in the car sometimes, only to look up and see one has already arrived, no recollection of being present to form a memory of it as a person driving.
Kudos on this interview! Finally a more comprehensive elaboration of Roger Penrose's theories on quantum mechanics and the universe at large as a consequence. After years of hearing bits and pieces, they are conjoined in this interview. Fantastic!
What an amazing dialogue! You're basically the perfect interviewer: you did the research well enough to understand this challenging and mind-bending subject and ask probing and intelligent questions, then let him talk instead of talking over him or turning it into a debate. I'm also impressed with Penrose for the level of intellectual humility he has, being careful to avoid making pronouncements outside his area of expertise or outside the bounds of where his theory has reached so far. Being an absolute legend in physics--and now consciousness studies--it would be way too easy for a person in his position to start making oracular pronouncements in areas where he doesn't know what he's talking about. 😄 I wonder what he would think of the experiences people have while using DMT and Ayahuasca, and how he would (or wouldn't) integrate them into his theory of consciousness. It would be especially interesting if he were to experience them for himself, to see if he might be able to make more sense of them than most people, using his theory of quantum consciousness as a basis.
The Hemingway paradox absolutely blew my mind. I have to say this was the best interview of Sir Penrose I've ever encountered. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have some difficulties articulating just how fantastic this has been for reinvigorating my passion. Thank you! You have contributed to the immortalization of one of the greatest polymaths of our time.
I saw someone in these comments say they could tell Penrose doesn’t know what he’s talking about. First; that’s probably because he literally said “I don’t know what I’m talking about” when it came to things outside his expertise and even things that physicists at large don’t really understand. 2) He’s 93 3) You are not smarter than Roger Penrose. You don’t know the subject matter as well as he does. You are in no position to judge that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. This man is a treasure. If only all experts (people for that matter) would be so open about their limits and so humble. Unfortunately some people don’t respond well to humility. I have more respect for this guy than almost any other person alive. God bless you Sir Roger. What a gift your life has been to all of us. I’m so happy you are finally getting some of the recognition you deserve. I hope he is going to be taken more seriously now that he’s a Nobel laureate. We have the technology to test his cosmological origins theory. I think it is a beautiful theory. Good luck to Mr Penrose. Great job w the interview madam. At about 45 minutes you blew him away. His jaw dropped. You really did go the extra mile to do your homework before this talk. Namaste all🖖
you hold this man to too high of a degree. he has descended into woohoo bullshit surrounding conscious observers. his ideas are way too centered from the point of view of living organisms. the laws of the universe don't care whether we exist, and certainly don't care whether we understand them or not, they just are. he talks about quantum ideas like wave function collapse and says it doesn't make sense, but gives none of the many interpretations that actually make sense of it (like many worlds). people take Penrose's current ideas too seriously.
she's wearing him out but at the same time stimulating him with her thoroughness and piercing clarity. I love that there is a medium that allows masters of wisdom to communicate with new emerging knowledge...i love him, i love her! i love his sense of humor, he doesn't take things TOO seriously. I love how their conversation meanders from pure science to philosophy to the esoteric, kinda like a wave particle function, sometimes sounding like a conversation from alice in wonderland 🤔
Definitely by far the best Penrose podcast! The way these two interact is incredible. I’ve never heard Penrose so happy and excited by your question and analysis of his theories and explanations. Pure poetry using the language of the universe. I cant get enough of it. So stimulating
This was brilliant. I’ve watched lots of rogers interviews but never seen him explaining things like the way you’ve extracted them from him. Brilliant 👏🏻
Interviewer is a truly intelligent lady. She summarised some of Roger’s ideas so succinctly that it made understanding these edgy ideas easier. Thank you!
I think this theory ties in very well with the idea of light comes, which Michael Levin describes very well in his theory that involves cognitive light cones. It seems to me that information can be transmitted not only forward, but also backwards from the present moment, as the collapse of the wave function occurs, But only within the successively increasing Diameter of each slice of these light cones, as you progress further away from the present moment.
Amazing interview! Sir Roger Penrose was in his element here and had to put some effort into the replies to your guiding questions. Very enjoyable to watch. Well done!
Wow. What a treat. Superb interviewing and wonderful to watch such a great person as Penrose think and continuously develop ideas. Best interview I've seen in years.
Few interviewers could have such a fruitful and lively conversation with Roger Penrose. Kudos to you. And to Roger Penrose for his impeccable self-effacing honesty throughout, clarifying whenever he is saying something about which he is uncertain.
Andréa Morris, Hat's off to you! Having followed the work of Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff for as long as I can remember, I can confidently say that your recent interview with Roger Penrose was nothing short of brilliant - it was the best I've ever seen. Your ability to delve into profound topics with such clarity and insight is truly remarkable. I also couldn't help but notice your striking good looks, which added an extra layer of charm to the experience. It's not just your interviewing skills but your captivating presence that sets you apart. I'm eagerly hoping to see you conduct a similar interview with Stuart Hameroff in the near future. I have no doubt it would be equally exceptional. Anticipating your next presentation with excitement and gratitude. Warm regards, Max...
This is the best physics interview I've ever seen, you really got the best out of Sir Roger. The chemistry was great - at times it was like a teacher and student with some really good and novel questions. Other times it was quite touching, like a wizard and hobbit smoking pipeweed, whilst discussing what makes things grow. Thanks a lot
I rarely leave comments on videos. Ever since I discovered Penrose’s theories a few years ago, I’ve been waiting to stumble on a comprehensive video that shows an interview of him, with concise summaries and explanation of what he’s talking about. Something for slightly less technical people. I have to say you have you delivered this to perfection. I am finally at rest knowing my ravenous appetite in understanding this subject is satiated. I have watched countless videos of him and he often corrects the interviewers when they try to sum him up. I can tell he was pleasantly surprised with your great recaps and often has nothing more to add. Congratulations! Subscribed.
1:07:00 so touching sir roger is very emotional talking about mortal issues knowing his own life is in its twilight.. such an incredibly great mind and person he is a hero to many. Top interview ❤
The part about what he called rhe Hemingway Paradox is something ive personally noticed. Many times over the years i noticed that my minds decisions could be so fast as to be impossible. One could say it were just instinct, but I had already presupposed potential choices. I realized i felt as if i had already made the choice first but my conscious mind had simply yet to construct a framework to let me cognizant of it.
Think about how fast you choose what someone in a dream will say to you or do. It happens so fast we usually don't even remember considering what they will do.
Good old Roger! His mind is still all there - AND firing on all cylinders - at 92 y/o! Sixty years ago, when I was first introduced to wave function collapse at the moment of observation, I well remember thinking this idea was just too weird to be a genuine physical concept. And the note of desperation in my Lecturers' explanations did not help me to accept it! A great interview by a great interviewer.
Its weird, but commonly misunderstood --- observation in quantum mechanics is the process by which an interferometer reports a reading. It has nothing to do with whether a human being is in the room "observing." Theres a youtuber whose first name is Sabine who made a video on it clarifying the subject thats very excellent.
@@peppermintgal4302 Yes indeed... the understanding of what "observation" actually means has been anthropomorphised far too much in popular treatments. I blame Schrodinger for introducing cats into the discussion!
Wow! Really impressed by the level of physics here. You ask the right questions and get the answers. Bravo. I want the next part... Sir Penrose, please go on...
@@VariableMinds and thank you for the periodic summarizations....I'm trying so hard to pay attention but his accent is hypnotic I end up follow the tones rather than the words...hoping there is an overall summarization in as few words as possible at the end....still listening
I’m always so happy to see a new Roger Penrose video! I’m rooting for Orch OR. I mention it in my book from 2016 and hope to expand on it a bit in my new edition. I love the way he thinks geometrically, outside the box, and his boldness to take on new ideas. He’s also very charismatic and pleasant all the while. ❤ Ok now I’m watching!!
Fantastic interview! As for retroactive time phenomena, I’m reminded of Doc Ellis’s perfect score, while high on LSD, and a friend who’s table football (foosball) skills where unmatched while under the same psychedelic, to quote, ‘ I knew exactly where the ball was intuitively, before it arrived!’ Many thanks
That's just normal prediction. The human brain has basically a built in newtonian mechanics simulation, or something approximating it. No retro-causality.
Seeing Roger getting caught out being upset about the true story of the Elephant got me choked. I already knew about those Elephants and what happened. I thought this interview was absolutely brilliant. Pls more.
Andréa Morris, I must compliment you on your incredible care and effort in creating this video. Much of your work is subtle since the goal of a good editor is to make the flow of thoughts as seamless as possible, but that goal requires much work. Your efforts have captured Sir Penrose's always-deep insights beautifully. Well done!
This is a magnificent interview. Seldom do you see such a well-prepared, energetic, bright, and caring interviewer. In addition, it is quite apparent that Si Roger clearly appreciated every question and quite clearly expressed his delight at the caliber of the questions and insights presented to him. For such a deep and difficult topic to grasp, I found it truly engaging. A true delight, many tanks.
Really enjoyed this conversation. Penrose is one of my heroes and your questions really brought out this thinking in a clear way. Glad TH-cam recommended your channel. Have subscribed and look forward to seeing the channel grow.
Bravo! Something I've always wanted to do: Have this conversation with Sir Penrose. You've accomplished a wonderful, and delightful, presentation of his and Hameroff's theory, which has been sorely lacking. The duo of Gandalf & Yoda!
What a mesmerising conversation and what a brilliantly well informed interviewer - that’s a rare thing in itself!!! - And isn’t it nice to see this intellectual giant admit that even he does not understand some things and even he ‘doesn’t know what he’s talking about’ in some area’s - that honesty only adds credibility to all the areas where he is an authority - and, of course, it’s reassuring to know that even physicists and mathematicians struggle with QM almost as much as the rest of us - it seems they can do the equations but the underlying reality, the concepts, implications and meanings are still quite opaque even to them - love that :)
I’ve watched this interview with Roger Penrose three times now. Each viewing led to a better appreciation of his theory of the collapse of the wave function. Thank you for such an illuminating interview. I’m looking forward to the next installment.
Ok. What fundamental mistakes did Penrose make that lead him to such a theory? What is the first step in his reasoning where he goes from correct to garbage?
@@lewismackechnie7240 The first error is assuming that, if the schrodinger equation was the only rule, that the universe would look "more quantum". We don't see cats in a superposition of alive and dead. Cats can be in a superposition of alive and dead, and when we look at them, we are put in a superposition of feeding a live cat and burying a dead cat. Neither superimposed version of us will see any kind of half way in between cat. Thus "quantum collapse" isn't needed. Also, the ideas about godel's incompleteness theorem. It's true that no process that can flawlessly answer all possible maths questions is computable. So if humans are computable, there must be maths problems we can't solve. Well we are talking about all possible maths problems, including the ones so long that we couldn't read the question in a lifetime. So yeah, there are some problems that humans can't solve.
If I understand you correctly, it seems that you’re advocating the”many worlds” interpretation of Scrohrodingers cat. As a quantum observer of a quantum cat, I think you’re saying that we see either a live cat or a dead cat, not half way in between cat. It seems that a quantum collapse occurs, but we’re aware of only the one one into which we, the observer collapses into as well. I struggle with the Schrödinger cat example, because it seems to me that the cat is made up of an extraordinary number of quantum particles, all of which must collapse into a collection of particles that are either a dead or live cat. All of those particles in the cat must be observed by an observer who is also made up of an extraordinary number of particles that must also collapse into the observer. (Perhaps the cat is the observer of the observer??) In this scenario, it seems there are infinities being added to infinities. What appeals to me about Penrose’s theory is that something independent of the observer (ie gravity) causes the quantum state for all particles to collapse into a classical state. In a sense, the quantum state is unstable after very brief periods of time and spontaneously becomes a classical state that we experience. As to Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, I don’t have a good way of understanding Penrose’s discussion of how that applies to his argument. I’ve got to work on that one some more
@@lewismackechnie7240 Collapse isn't real. No such thing. "observer" also isn't a thing. There is just a reality that exists. Scientist sees cat in superposition of alive and dead. Scientist gets into superposition of feeding live cat and burying dead cat. The universe continues on in superposition. But the inside of any one of the superimposed universes feels normal, nothing obviously quantum is happening to scientist or cat.
To the lovely young lady who carried out this discussion with Roger,... thank you so so much. Roger is one of my lifetime heroes The way you conducted this discussion was truly poetic. That is not easy to do on the subject of science. I can honestly say it ranks as one of my all-time best discussions/interviews l ever saw of this great man. Kudos to you and thank you so much.
This is more like an amiable talk between friends sitting in drawing room couches, felt not only educationally enriched but relaxing too. Glad to see Sir Roger (our Saint of Science) is looking well and healthy!
So delightful to hear Roger talking, and with such honesty and self-deprecation too, in spite of having a brilliant mind that is more capable than many of pondering the nuances of these challenges.
What a great podcast/interview, The content and frankness of the scientific world has been enjoyable. I love the way the interviewer and interviewed enjoy their discussion and bounce of each other in enlightenment and dscovery. How great is Roger Penrose's mind. These podcasts are so important for the future.
Wow now THIS is an interview of exceptional rigour, depth and originality! Anything with Sir Roger is a pleasure, it’s saddening to know he’s not so young anymore :( on the plus side, you’ve earned yourself a subscriber :)
This was really enlightening, entertaining and enjoyable. It's a topic I've been fascinated with for nearly my entire life. I was wondering so many ideas while listening to the two of you tickling parts of my brain that wants to know and understand the hows and if possible the whys. Thank you for this. ❤
I wonder how this plays into the law of attraction narrative, i.e. you need to believe you have achieved something before achieving it. Its metaphysical but kind of plays into this theory that the wave function collapses in the past and that leads to the classical reality we now observe. Btw, this channel is a gem. I have never seen such active engagement from the interviewer asking the right questions and leading the interviewee into a chain of thoughts. Keep posting!
One thing I love about this is it gets around the determinism of those who say the brain starts taking the action before we "decide" to do it, thus demonstrating that there is no such thing as "free will," or so they say. I've never believed it and Sir Roger gives me a way out. Bravo!
People are all over the place on what they think. Somewhere out there, new worlds are popping into existence at some unknown interval. That is the one that bugs me, but people give that nonsense credibility. I cannot believe they would consider that possible.
You said "I've never believed it and Sir Roger gives me a way out", that is not how science works. You are essentially seeking scientific support for a belief system. This is a fundamental error in human psychology and is the reason the scientific method was established. You should go where ever the data leads you when practicing science.
What a magically fascinating, charming conversation you two share. 😊 🙏Thank you both. I have become conscious, and becoming conscious was bizarre and wonderful. I doubt I will ever hear any more descriptive theories of how it all happened to me. ❤❤❤
Great interview; questions and summation - and humour! A genuine dialectical exchange; like a verbal game of chess. Andrea asks challenging questions and Penrose - unlike some of his peers - has the humility to admit he doesn't know; or even understand.
Wow, beauty and brains! It’s quite impressive to see an interviewer grasp the concepts that Penrose puts forward. Even when Jordan Peterson interviewed him, you could tell he was falling behind constantly trying to keep up with Penrose. Penrose is my favorite scientist currently and you certainly did him justice! Thanks for the video!
Look him up, he's both one of the most prominent thinkers of our time (recent Nobel laureate) and he's willing to take risks. At his age and he's still on the cutting edge, which is rare. His lectures on spinors and twistor theory are mind blowing. They'll take your full attention though.
Lookup the Emmy Network Mind and Matter symposium from a couple years ago - their website links Penrose and Hameroff and Basil J. Hiley giving a talk to them - I agree with Hiley on this. "In the book, he cautions that we may err when applying the physics of time to our conscious perception of time. He writes that consciousness is the only phenomenon in modern physics that requires time to flow at all. Penrose’s ideas about retro-activity as an explanation for quantum anomalies are only recently gaining traction. Retrocausality is the proposal that a measurement in the present can change a particle’s properties even before the measurement was made. “You need this distinction between the two realities,” says Penrose. Classical reality and quantum reality are fundamentally different realities. He adds that even the notion of before and after may be incoherent in quantum reality. Why might gravity-induced wave function collapse produce non-computational consciousness? Consciousness “could be non-computable because it’s retroactive,” says Penrose.
Andrea Morris, you are a gem. I am so happy that this video got recomnended in my feed. This is one of the best interviews i have ever seen. Subscribed. Waiting for more such vids. ❤
Instant subscribe! Roger Penrose continues to live and breathe his work and this interview shows it perfectly. His emotional reaction to telling the story of the elephant was beautiful, too
Out of all of the biological computational machines Sir Roger really seems to be a non computational one. The fact that he knows what he knows and knows what he dont clearly sets out perfect example of it.♥️♥️
Well done with the interview and the helpful visuals. The article is also well done, though it’s strange that it’s published in Forbes. I hope you do another one with Stuart Hammeroff and the quantum biology aspect of this theory
Yes, I need to follow up soon. I first learned about Orch OR when I interviewed Stuart a couple years ago for the Forbes article "An Experiment For Consciousness? Scientists And Philosophers Across Three Countries Debate It"
Weirdly enough, makes me think of a high thought I had. I don't do it often, so things get weird when I do. I remember having this vivid imager that our brains are actually just in a sense reading a film tape. Except, instead of just one line being fed in, there are two. One line starts at some arbitrary beginning while the other is the coinciding ending.
May you continue still to get love for this. Imo, you have asked some of the most intelligent, deepest, and provocative questions and as far as I can tell the best or my favorite interview and opening up from him that is available on yt
I really, really enjoyed this. Extremely well-researched and presented. Dr. Penrose is as sharp as a needle and never studders when answering. Andrea has a lovely personality, projecting intelligence with beauty . Her understanding of complex topics deserves much applause, as well as her clarity and enthusiasm. I am an artist and writer well versed in philosophy, not so much in physics, but I have come to understand it. My thoughts within my domain agree with Walter Penrose's retro idea in thinking rather than a step-up-the-ladder approach, leaving the door open for criticism while remaining transparent in my mind. I am presently writing a book, and this podcast gives me affirmation to continue writing. Thank you. I will definitely revisit it from time to time.
I have read physics books since I was 14 and have not gotten to hear Sir Roger Penrose speak so back and forth in such an interview. I just heard about Orch OR and love the anesthesia / Hamerhoffs input. Multidisciplinary is the way it has to be thank you for this please do similar stuff in the future !
Fantastic article in Forbes. Wish I had known I could've watched it lol. Or did I know?
The article has interviews with 4 other scientists about this theory, including Donald Hoffman. It gives an overview and discusses the experiments. This video is an opportunity to hear directly from Penrose (also embedded at the bottom of the article). I thought they might complement each other. Thanks for reading/watching
I'm not a science person so forgive me if I am confused by the Hemingway paradox. If he was already dead in classic reality when he pulled the trigger in quantum reality, how could he have made a conscious decision?
@@VariableMinds where can I find what else you've written?
Per haps, all ways, eventually....
@@peterallison5700I'm struggeling to grasp this too. One has to let go of our perspective of time in this classical reality that we experience. Quantum reality is "timeless", it doesn't have an arrow of time. So it's only a paradox when viewed from classical reality, where there is a before and after.
My current attempt at understanding it is that, in quantum reality, the present moment is a "bubble" where possibilities are "decided" upon (randomly or not) by wave function collapse. In our experience of time in classical reality, it's less than half a second. In quantum reality, it's just "the moment". So when Hemmingway's consciousness decides to pull the trigger in quantum reality, the effect (killing himself) can appear to happen slightly before that in classical reality. Somehow. But it's all in the same moment, from the quantum perspective.
I'm most likely misinterpreting or misunderstanding something though, so I'm sorry if I'm only making it worse :) Hopefully someone else can help make it clearer.
In any case, I take it to mean that quantum reality is the fundamental level of reality, of which (proto-)consciousness is a fundamental aspect, which has a lot of philosophical implications.
By far the best interview on TH-cam in years. Sir Penrose is 93 and his brain is still working like a Swiss watch.
Well, maybe. There is a lot garbage in all these metaphysical talks. Penrose talks a lot, I feel very suspicious of such talk. How much of his stuff is falsifiable or provable?
I respect your opinion if is based on your deep understanding of Sir. Penrose ideas. He is building a theory that is based on physics and math, not metaphysic@@musiclover4311
@@musiclover4311yes sometimes I wonder about all these scientist and their theories they seem to be more farther out as they get older
@@Joseph-fw6xxI wonder the opposite, as Physics seems to be increasingly captured by stale orthodoxies. Relatively few physicists seem to have the integrity and independence to question them - age might be an advantage.
Jesus!! 93... I'm 32 and jealous of how well he has aged!
It takes a really smart interviewer to hold this dialogue with arguably one of the greatest scientific and mathematicical intellects of the past century and still consider the viewer also. Massive kudos for this.
Yes, the interviewer really did her homework and could identify the concepts and move them forward in a clear, concise manner. I think Penrose appreciated this and was pleased. Certainly a tribute to his humanity that he became emotionally overwhelmed recounting the elephant story. A very human being with a staggering intellect. What a treat. Thanks!
As if math wasn't a science.
She enabled the ant to converse with the genius and he smiled.
Yes she is great
Ja
The level of understanding and preparedness on the side of the interviewer is unbelievable.
This stands out as the best interviews of Roger Penrose in at least a decade. Hats off to the interviewer for investing the time in researching his work and spending time with him in developing trust and raport. This has created an invaluable record of an extraordinary mind, both deaply analytical and charmingly playfull. Thank you so much.
This interview blew my mind. The article is amazing, so well written, but this interview? WOW. Sir Roger Penrose is not one of the most brilliant minds alive: he is one of the most brilliant minds EVER. And so generous, sensitive, what an amazing man. Congratulations Andrea for being such an amazing and prepared interviewer. Thank you, you are a great journalist. What an interview.
Gracias y Bendiciones 🙏
More than a great journalist. Andrea's intellect had me running to keep up. I'm not sure I succeeded!
It makes me very happy too that folks like yourself go out of your way to show appreciation for his amazing talent. Makes me think that the world is full of interesting humans. :)
Journalist are mostly failed musician athlete scientist 😂
Excellent presentation. Penrose threw down the gauntlet (effectively) more than 30 years ago stating physics could not advance significantly until a theory of consciousness emerged. One of the greatest minds ever in physics, I tend to think.
Well-worded, was about to say the same, thanks for doing so already. ❤
💯 How is he still so lucid?? Dude is an alien...
I have a question for everyone who may read this. **WHAT IS THE GENERAL CONSCENSUS OF [DONALD HOFFMAN's]
Work? (soory if i mispelled his last name)
Im referring to the man that broke Space-time. and add to the simulation theory and the conscious problem.? just curious to know other opinions
Yet physics had made several significant advances in the past 30 years and will continue to without a non-sensical theory cooked up by an elderly professor well past his mental peak and a Peter Gabriel lookalike to flog a few books.
I would argue physics have advanced significantly in the last 30 years though. That claim sounds completely unsubstantiated. Unless you believe in magic then consciousness is an emergent property. Exactly why it emerges I have no idea, maybe that's the theory you're after. While it would be very insightful to find out I don't see why it would cause a significant boom in the rest of the field of physics. I think neuroscientists have a better chance of cracking how conscioussness works than physicists.
"Can you elaborate?"
"No, because I don't know what I'm talking about." 🤣🤣🤣
Penrose is a rare gem.
Not the same - it comes from a place of intellectual humility and awe at just how much is yet to be discovered and understood.
REALITY is an information process, set in motion and sustained by God for a purpose. Understanding the purpose is far more important than knowing anything about anything. From this perspective, Penrose is on the RIGHT TRACK. All science, to be science, must follow the laws of information science. Therefore, treating reality like an information process is the logical thing to do. Quanta = one bit of information.
Living objects are ruled by independent quantum processes, lifeless objects are governed by a single process, which brings up the question, are stars alive?
Since an information process can't be carried out to infinite precision, randomness is necessary to prevent aliasing when functions computed in the frequency domain become fixed.
@@g1motion who are you talking to?
Wow...I've watched many interviews with Penrose where you could tell he was bored to death and wished he could be somewhere else. But you can tell he is just having the best time in these interviews! This is both thoroughly educational and wholesome....love it!
he really did have a lot of genuine smiles and moments of deep thought! great energy between these two, awesome questions
The girl is attractive in both inner mind and body ..its natural to be ..alerted here!!
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I've been on a Penrose binge and this is the very first video I found where the interviewer was able to ask piercing, incisive questions that allowed Sir Roger to articulate his thinking more clearly. This shows the interviewer has a level of understanding of the subject that goes beyond shallowness. The ability to restate Sir Roger's thoughts into clearer, more succinct statements is a gem of an ability.
Another thing people don't notice is that this video is a collection of videos that were edited together to be logically coherent. Otherwise, it would be hard to follow Sir Roger's thoughts as he meanders quite a bit when explaining things. He often stops and shares anecdotes of past events to connect to his explanations then circle back to the original question after having answered several questions that popped up for him mid-thought.
So credit needs to go to the editor as much as to the interviewer.
In any case, I think this interview deserves a Pulitzer prize for elucidating such a very diffocult topic to comprehend on a very groundbreaking theory which I feel is on the right track to a UFT or TEO.
Dr. Penrose is rare in this day and age. The fact that he is able to say, "I don't know", is the hallmark of a REAL scientist.
This is a comment on the article in Forbes. Please don't take this the wrong way, most science based reporting these days is undertaken by lay people who appear too lazy to research the subject they are writing about. This leads to inaccurate and confusing prose, leading to misconceptions that are sometimes amplified many times over. It is refreshing to read something penned by someone who understands the concepts they are writing about and one who has obviously expended considerable time and effortbin doing so. It shows, your writing is excellent and it was a very interesting article, thank you.
I truly appreciate that. It's heartening to know that the effort to make these ideas accessible is resonating.
I saw clear indications that penrose didn't understand what he was talking about.
@@donaldhobson8873 so you’re new to the concept of quantum reality Donald? Roger is just being honest because no one truly understands what’s going on…those that pretend they’re no confused are con artists trying to sell you something
You’re welcome…
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Nope. Many people understand what's going on. Just unfortunately penrose and most pop sci authors aren't among them.
I am not particularly new to quantum mechanics, I have done several courses on it at uni.
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What a gift this interview is. Andrea, if there's a Pulitzer for interview moderating you deserve a nomination. I've heard so many people try to explain the relationship between quantum and classical physics but never as intuitively as Sir Penrose did here.
Have to agree. I've admired Sir Roger Penrose for decades and this may be one of the best interviews of him I've seen. She deserves great praise for her knowledge, ability to listen carefully, and to ask the right questions. This interview is an accomplishment of a lifetime but I get the feeling we will be hearing more from her and she will continue to blow our minds🎉👍🏾
Strongly agree!
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"I've heard so many people try to explain the relationship between quantum and classical physics but never as intuitively as Sir Penrose did here." I have heard so much confusing "noise" on this topic, but after stepping into R.P.s thought here most of the noise in my mind has now gone quite :)
Agree 10000%
Your ability to take in and rephrase what Penrose was saying made these interviews truly engaging and thought provoking. Thanks so much for the great work.
Best conversation I have listened to in my life since my father passed away. Sir Penrose is a grace to our species. May consciousness bless him indefinitely
And what a sympathetic duo. Excellent job by the interviewer. I look forward to following your work.
Wonderful interview. I have admired Dr Penrose for 30 years and have watched a lot of interviews. You are one of the rare minds able to think on his level and thereby get really great answers. It's remarkable to think that Roger is 93 years old and his mind is sharp as a razor! And he's still working, giving interviews, lectures and working on theory. Amazing man! Definitely one of my heros!🎉👍🏾
this was the best interview of Roger Penrose I've ever seen, and I go back in physics more than four decades!
I'm just some dumbass that watches a ton of physics, math, and space videos and this is the most natural and enthusiastic I've ever seen him... like this is more in like with how he is not in interviews I like to imagine.
You have done an outstanding job of drawing out Sir Roger so that he clearly explains his ideas. You have posed some wonderful questions that have him pondering things in ways that he hasn't thought about. I think that you two make a powerful combination, and I recommend that you both work together much more! Fantastic!
You missed that it was 100% scripted and thus fake dialogue.
This has to be the most comprehensive and digestible presentation of this theory available on the internet right now. More people need to try to understand these ideas so we can actually fund the experiments that matter!
Thank you so much for your kind words. I agree, let's champion the understanding and funding of pivotal experiments.
Agree!. Superb. Her questioning is very clear and very sharp. It is the best way to discuss such a topic. You can see places where Roger or her seem confused but they were not. Just contemplating the complexity of the subject. It gets the mind ramping to 100%...
@@VariableMindsAs if that's REALLY what you want 😅
I don't agree at all, on the subject of digestible. Pembrose's hypothesis that the observer effect confuses us because we've been looking at it *backwards* could be presented in a single sentence. But it was a good ramble, guided by smart questions.
@@GPRidley Exactly!
Great interview. Penrose really is the greatest physicist of my lifetime, and I have to commend the interviewer for being smart and empathetic in her ability to understand and communicate these ideas.
This has to be the BEST interview with Penrose I've ever had the pleasure to watch. Andrea Morris is a wonderful interviewer....so very smart, inciteful and provocative. I'm REALLY looking forward to a follow up on this cause we were going places you don't get to in so many other interviews. Plus...I can't get enough of Andrea, my god she is stunningly beautiful.
What a wonderful interview! I've never seen one in which he's so engaged in an enthusiastic back and forth of ideas, rather than just answering prepared questions. I'll bet he found your spontaneous intelligence very refreshing! You really 'got' him. and what a lovely man. Thanks for this.
I agree.
It's refreshing to see a dialogue instead of an interview 🙂
AI chatbot level prose
Penrose is what in earlier times would have been called a "polymath". He's not just a scientist; he's a visionary, and he's an artist as well. It doesn't need to be pointed out that the man who was Stephen Hawking's Ph.D advisor is a heavy hitter in intellectual circles.
The way Penrose thinks simultaneously scientifically and artistically about existence (as did Einstein) is truly something to behold. I also love the way he's willing to go out on a limb, and delve into areas where he knows he doesn't have the answers. I personally think he's on the level with the greatest scientist/philosophers who have ever lived, but of course, that's just my opinion.
No, not really, Penrose came after a time where a plymath was possible.
A polymath was an expert in many fields, but as time went on the knowledge base and specialization as well as the growth of the number of fields grew such that it was no longer possible for great thinkers to be foremost experts in more than perhaps a few.
But no doubt had he been born at a early time in history he would likely have been a polymath.
So nicely stated. He’s a treasure!
They call me a polymath, but I argue against it with a half dozen degrees.
I absolutely agree! A true scientist, the way I see it.
And yet he says things like, "Memory may be stored in nuclear spins. I don't know." That's not where it's stored, and if it were, strong magnets could wipe your memory. Smart people have bad ideas, too, and I'm pretty sure Orch OR is a humdinger of a bad idea.
Other tells include, "We don't have funding yet" and "Not sure about the experiments." He's Roger Freaking Penrose. If his proposed research had merit, he'd have funding by now.
Wow, you are killing it with this interview! Penrose isn't particularly easy to talk to and this is wonderful. Can't wait to see what else you've got on your channel 🙌
What a beautiful and insightful interview...
Your intelligence is clearly evident when maintaining a conversation with Sir Penrose, where he laughs out of questions he didn't imagine coming and/or have no answers to.
What a treat!
He laughs likely because he's giddy that there are sharp young minds asking the right questions. He knows he can't live forever. My 2c
I'm far from being a physicist, but it's one of the highest pleasures to listen interviews/compilations like this one.
Incredible conversation and subsequent elucidation of these beautiful ideas.
What a gift to humanity to have the intellect of Penrose coincide in time with the observed capacity of the interviewer to crystallize these concepts into a meaningful and understandable web of ideas and remaining questions to be further explored.
Thank you, I'm touched by this.
It was copied from Indian Yogi's Yahoo chatroom from 1999.
@DeepState-nf4bc When standing in judgment, don't forget to tell God that he was just invented to explain physics.
@DeepState-nf4bc Yeah that's a new story I invented, and totally not one that's been around for thousands of years.
@DeepState-nf4bc
It's been my experience that when someone takes the time to bash religion in a discussion about science, they clearly know dick about either. I'm sure you're no different.
And that's how you interview with Penrose. This is among the best interviews available in TH-cam. Congratulation.
Mother elephant bones story made me cry, especially when the emotion showed on Penrose’ face. What a rare genius he is.
Just SO good! I love Penrose for sticking to his guns about consciousness not being computational. For talking about 'understanding' which he admits he cannot define. For me, this whole discussion goes back to the first living cells. In order to persist, there had to be some 'understanding' going on. And the kicker is that the cell and the environment are in and of a single dynamic, ever-changing system, albeit with regularities that are exploitable. So, in my view, our precious 'understanding' of so much about our world, may not be separated from the first living cells, and all that has transpired since. This is truly a mega multidisciplinary investigation and Penrose has begun the investigation, as well as this interviewer who has an extremely sharp mind, refreshingly quick in her thinking and keeping up with Penrose. No wonder the conversations have been more than just one! Bravo to both people!
Great comment!
complete nonsense.
@@dfghj241 😂🙃😉 You may be right!
Fantastic conversations with a fantastic man. I’ve been obsessed by OrchOR for years, and your video is the best I’ve seen so far on TH-cam. Such a shame Penrose and Hammeroff are getting so old! We need people to keep this idea alive and moving forward…
The lady who conducted this interview is the collapse of the wave function. She is fantastic and intelligent, asks great questions, listens carefully and doesn't talk over others, and she makes the subject interesting and intelligible for a non-scientific poet like me. Sir Roger Penrose is an amazing man, a super brain but also kind and humble, funny, and a gentleman. What an amazing video!
She vibrates at a higher frequency
Actually, I found her very annoying and it was as if she were interviewing herself butdecided to look at the comments and after seeing yours I thought I'd give her another chance so I'll see. I've seen many interviews with Sir Roger and generally the interviewer stays off screen.
@@williambrady1043 Try interviewing Penrose as well as she did. It ain't easy. He's charalay von cordinglygoose, and therefore she's prenopoliocko. I think she's absolutely fantastic and I think you should too. Besides, we're all going to have to get on in eternity ❤️
Could the big bang have been caused in the future? If we reach the point where the quantum codes required to create the universe are found, would this cause the false vacuum state to suddenly become true, and then reformat the universe to form new heavens and a new earth?
How did I stumble on this?! So fascinating, I thought I’d listen to a few minutes and ended up watching the whole thing. I may have struggled understanding some of the concepts but got the gist of most and I studied Physics at A level. Two highly intelligent people in conversation, riveting stuff 💪🏽
Amazing interview. I couldn't imagine how proud I would be to sit down with the legendary, Sir Roger Penrose, and to have him impressed by my questions and knowledge.
Thank you! I've got a lot to think about now...
I don’t think impress is the right word. Giving a statement that would interest him. One that challenges in an inviting way. I believe that for most all that it would be many more challenging to themselves to get there.
@@brendawilliams8062 cool
I came here for Penrose and I stayed for Andrea who I've just discovered.
So brilliant woman!
Great interview.
Subscribed to the channel.
Man is a genius. And very sensitive one. Perceptive one. As emotional as intelligent. Extraordinary person. Excellent interview(s). THANK YOU!!!!
As a former skateboarder in freestyle of semi-pro level ability ( I did kickflips back in 1977 after meeting the world champion & could do over 20 360s ) you have a projection ahead of the reality of hitting that ramp edge, stony surface, doing rapid spins on a wet piece of concrete or anything else that might throw you off course or out of the routine.
This envisaged mental construct of what one hopes is the preprogammed fruition of a coming trick event.
When I fell, which truthfully wasn't THAT often, time slows down. Or appears to.
Sports coaches refer now to things like muscle memory. Skate tricks done now are so complicated and rapid that skaters are capable of flipping the board back or cancelling it mid flight. Even in the 70s I sometimes landed 4 or 5 rotation kickflips on my specialist board before finally snapping it !
Todays skating tho is so fast and complicated that even slow motion replays need several viewings to understand the orientations, foot/ rider stance or positioning, minor foot pivoting differences that a skater of ability knows to register at critical points on the board.
Good skaters become very aware of practical classical physics- centre of gravity, pulling in on spins etc. However I found myself back then that the ideal spin seemed quantized. A faster speed and generally more rotations could seemingly be achieved by pulling in the arms in a somewhat jerky motion- in stages. The head positioning also was critical.
Nowadays even vert ramp aerials are measured in multiple spins at pro level. Not just the usual 180 or even 540s!
(To non skaters- references of note - Rodney Mullen , Johnny Giger, K.Harris , Andy Andersen Bob Burnquist, Mitchie Brusco, Sky Brown, Tony Hawk)
The feedback mechanisms registered bodily in sports, music and the other performing arts, even cooking, painting etc, based on time aware and time sensitive (even recent past abrogating? Twin directional? ) micro tubules at cytological to neural networking level?
A surfer might literally feel a collapse of the wave function 🏄♀️. Shrodinger's wipeout?
Interesting that the construct of micro tubules seem helical in nature from what little I have seen after my interest was stimulated recently by this video.
We all just collapsed laughing….
But seriously can you say all that again in little words?
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I had plenty of time on my hands that hour didn't I? It WAS a bit of an over blown wind up re my old 🛹 ing past TBH ! 😬
"In the zone"
Perhaps, its because the observer is unconsciously the observer in such moments.
No character/narrative "Me", separating the observer from the observed.
Its a nice place.
Like when one gets in the car sometimes, only to look up and see one has already arrived, no recollection of being present to form a memory of it as a person driving.
Athlete to athlete, this was an interesting comment.
Kudos on this interview! Finally a more comprehensive elaboration of Roger Penrose's theories on quantum mechanics and the universe at large as a consequence. After years of hearing bits and pieces, they are conjoined in this interview. Fantastic!
What an amazing dialogue! You're basically the perfect interviewer: you did the research well enough to understand this challenging and mind-bending subject and ask probing and intelligent questions, then let him talk instead of talking over him or turning it into a debate.
I'm also impressed with Penrose for the level of intellectual humility he has, being careful to avoid making pronouncements outside his area of expertise or outside the bounds of where his theory has reached so far. Being an absolute legend in physics--and now consciousness studies--it would be way too easy for a person in his position to start making oracular pronouncements in areas where he doesn't know what he's talking about. 😄
I wonder what he would think of the experiences people have while using DMT and Ayahuasca, and how he would (or wouldn't) integrate them into his theory of consciousness. It would be especially interesting if he were to experience them for himself, to see if he might be able to make more sense of them than most people, using his theory of quantum consciousness as a basis.
The Hemingway paradox absolutely blew my mind.
I have to say this was the best interview of Sir Penrose I've ever encountered. Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have some difficulties articulating just how fantastic this has been for reinvigorating my passion. Thank you! You have contributed to the immortalization of one of the greatest polymaths of our time.
I saw someone in these comments say they could tell Penrose doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
First; that’s probably because he literally said “I don’t know what I’m talking about” when it came to things outside his expertise and even things that physicists at large don’t really understand.
2) He’s 93
3) You are not smarter than Roger Penrose. You don’t know the subject matter as well as he does. You are in no position to judge that he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
This man is a treasure. If only all experts (people for that matter) would be so open about their limits and so humble.
Unfortunately some people don’t respond well to humility.
I have more respect for this guy than almost any other person alive.
God bless you Sir Roger.
What a gift your life has been to all of us. I’m so happy you are finally getting some of the recognition you deserve.
I hope he is going to be taken more seriously now that he’s a Nobel laureate.
We have the technology to test his cosmological origins theory. I think it is a beautiful theory.
Good luck to Mr Penrose.
Great job w the interview madam. At about 45 minutes you blew him away. His jaw dropped. You really did go the extra mile to do your homework before this talk.
Namaste all🖖
Calm down dear
you hold this man to too high of a degree. he has descended into woohoo bullshit surrounding conscious observers. his ideas are way too centered from the point of view of living organisms. the laws of the universe don't care whether we exist, and certainly don't care whether we understand them or not, they just are. he talks about quantum ideas like wave function collapse and says it doesn't make sense, but gives none of the many interpretations that actually make sense of it (like many worlds). people take Penrose's current ideas too seriously.
@@timh2859 He mentions many worlds many times in this interview, did you even watch it?
A truly wonderful interview, Andrea. This is the best interview of Sir Roger I've seen. You ask the best questions!
I very much appreciate your watching and this kind comment!
The way you articulte his thinking is outstanding.
A beautiful conversation! Please record more with Roger Penrose.
she's wearing him out but at the same time stimulating him with her thoroughness and piercing clarity. I love that there is a medium that allows masters of wisdom to communicate with new emerging knowledge...i love him, i love her! i love his sense of humor, he doesn't take things TOO seriously. I love how their conversation meanders from pure science to philosophy to the esoteric, kinda like a wave particle function, sometimes sounding like a conversation from alice in wonderland 🤔
Definitely by far the best Penrose podcast! The way these two interact is incredible. I’ve never heard Penrose so happy and excited by your question and analysis of his theories and explanations. Pure poetry using the language of the universe. I cant get enough of it. So stimulating
This was brilliant. I’ve watched lots of rogers interviews but never seen him explaining things like the way you’ve extracted them from him. Brilliant 👏🏻
Interviewer is a truly intelligent lady. She summarised some of Roger’s ideas so succinctly that it made understanding these edgy ideas easier. Thank you!
She just shouldn't push her face into the camera like that.
Edgy ideas from the edgiest person alive, Sir Roger Penrose, that's right.
Thank goodness...his melodius voice makes it difficult for me to pay attention
Yeah she rocks! I totally want a date with her LOL
I think this theory ties in very well with the idea of light comes, which Michael Levin describes very well in his theory that involves cognitive light cones.
It seems to me that information can be transmitted not only forward, but also backwards from the present moment, as the collapse of the wave function occurs, But only within the successively increasing Diameter of each slice of these light cones, as you progress further away from the present moment.
Amazing interview! Sir Roger Penrose was in his element here and had to put some effort into the replies to your guiding questions. Very enjoyable to watch. Well done!
Excellent interview.
It's terrific listening to Penrose converse with someone who can not just comprehend his theory but extrapolate from it.
Wow. What a treat. Superb interviewing and wonderful to watch such a great person as Penrose think and continuously develop ideas. Best interview I've seen in years.
Few interviewers could have such a fruitful and lively conversation with Roger Penrose. Kudos to you. And to Roger Penrose for his impeccable self-effacing honesty throughout, clarifying whenever he is saying something about which he is uncertain.
Andréa Morris,
Hat's off to you! Having followed the work of Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff for as long as I can remember, I can confidently say that your recent interview with Roger Penrose was nothing short of brilliant - it was the best I've ever seen. Your ability to delve into profound topics with such clarity and insight is truly remarkable.
I also couldn't help but notice your striking good looks, which added an extra layer of charm to the experience. It's not just your interviewing skills but your captivating presence that sets you apart.
I'm eagerly hoping to see you conduct a similar interview with Stuart Hameroff in the near future. I have no doubt it would be equally exceptional.
Anticipating your next presentation with excitement and gratitude.
Warm regards,
Max...
*tips fedora*
This is the best physics interview I've ever seen, you really got the best out of Sir Roger. The chemistry was great - at times it was like a teacher and student with some really good and novel questions. Other times it was quite touching, like a wizard and hobbit smoking pipeweed, whilst discussing what makes things grow.
Thanks a lot
I rarely leave comments on videos.
Ever since I discovered Penrose’s theories a few years ago, I’ve been waiting to stumble on a comprehensive video that shows an interview of him, with concise summaries and explanation of what he’s talking about. Something for slightly less technical people.
I have to say you have you delivered this to perfection. I am finally at rest knowing my ravenous appetite in understanding this subject is satiated.
I have watched countless videos of him and he often corrects the interviewers when they try to sum him up. I can tell he was pleasantly surprised with your great recaps and often has nothing more to add.
Congratulations!
Subscribed.
1:07:00 so touching sir roger is very emotional talking about mortal issues knowing his own life is in its twilight.. such an incredibly great mind and person he is a hero to many. Top interview ❤
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The part about what he called rhe Hemingway Paradox is something ive personally noticed. Many times over the years i noticed that my minds decisions could be so fast as to be impossible. One could say it were just instinct, but I had already presupposed potential choices. I realized i felt as if i had already made the choice first but my conscious mind had simply yet to construct a framework to let me cognizant of it.
Think about how fast you choose what someone in a dream will say to you or do. It happens so fast we usually don't even remember considering what they will do.
@@imaginaryuniverse632I never choose what happens in my dreams. Interesting idea though.
@@Azoryth Do the characters in your dreams choose?
Brother can tell us little bit about you? What happened with you in the past? Any events which changes the reality around you?
Amazing !! I have been there many times.
Good old Roger! His mind is still all there - AND firing on all cylinders - at 92 y/o! Sixty years ago, when I was first introduced to wave function collapse at the moment of observation, I well remember thinking this idea was just too weird to be a genuine physical concept. And the note of desperation in my Lecturers' explanations did not help me to accept it! A great interview by a great interviewer.
Its weird, but commonly misunderstood --- observation in quantum mechanics is the process by which an interferometer reports a reading. It has nothing to do with whether a human being is in the room "observing." Theres a youtuber whose first name is Sabine who made a video on it clarifying the subject thats very excellent.
@@peppermintgal4302 Yes indeed... the understanding of what "observation" actually means has been anthropomorphised far too much in popular treatments. I blame Schrodinger for introducing cats into the discussion!
@@hectorpascalIt's never wrong to introduce cats into the discussion. Superimposed alive/dead cats can be problematic though.
The mans brain works better than mine and i'm only 46.
@@peppermintgal4302Sabine Hossenfelder. 🤠
Wow! Really impressed by the level of physics here. You ask the right questions and get the answers. Bravo. I want the next part... Sir Penrose, please go on...
Thank you~ Hoping to do more
@@VariableMinds and thank you for the periodic summarizations....I'm trying so hard to pay attention but his accent is hypnotic I end up follow the tones rather than the words...hoping there is an overall summarization in as few words as possible at the end....still listening
I’m always so happy to see a new Roger Penrose video! I’m rooting for Orch OR. I mention it in my book from 2016 and hope to expand on it a bit in my new edition.
I love the way he thinks geometrically, outside the box, and his boldness to take on new ideas. He’s also very charismatic and pleasant all the while. ❤
Ok now I’m watching!!
I am an artist. I watched breathlessly. It was incredible.Thank you so much Andrea.
Great interview! Love seeing Penrose contemplating and laughing 😊
Thank you! I agree :)
Fantastic interview!
As for retroactive time phenomena, I’m reminded of Doc Ellis’s perfect score, while high on LSD, and a friend who’s table football (foosball) skills where unmatched while under the same psychedelic, to quote, ‘ I knew exactly where the ball was intuitively, before it arrived!’
Many thanks
That's just normal prediction. The human brain has basically a built in newtonian mechanics simulation, or something approximating it. No retro-causality.
That was just a great and skillful player intuition
I know we’re going off topic but Cary Grant thought everyone should try LSD
@@donaldhobson8873there is retrocausality, explained by the CTMU.
Seeing Roger getting caught out being upset about the true story of the Elephant got me choked. I already knew about those Elephants and what happened. I thought this interview was absolutely brilliant. Pls more.
Me too never saw that coming.
How exceptional is this conversation? Amazing! How very beautiful, quite apart from the mind-bending dimension
Andréa Morris, I must compliment you on your incredible care and effort in creating this video. Much of your work is subtle since the goal of a good editor is to make the flow of thoughts as seamless as possible, but that goal requires much work. Your efforts have captured Sir Penrose's always-deep insights beautifully. Well done!
This is a magnificent interview. Seldom do you see such a well-prepared, energetic, bright, and caring interviewer. In addition, it is quite apparent that Si Roger clearly appreciated every question and quite clearly expressed his delight at the caliber of the questions and insights presented to him. For such a deep and difficult topic to grasp, I found it
truly engaging. A true delight, many tanks.
Not really. Failed to go too deep. Comes off as a kind of erudite p.r. stunt raising more questions than it answers.
@@James-ll3jbthat's kind of the point dude
I love that the majority of her questions came as genuinely interesting surprises to him
It's impressive if you managed to understand quantum mechanics from that. Penrose is in the process of spectacularly misunderstanding it.
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Really enjoyed this conversation. Penrose is one of my heroes and your questions really brought out this thinking in a clear way. Glad TH-cam recommended your channel. Have subscribed and look forward to seeing the channel grow.
Thank you, I'm also glad the TH-cam algorithm can help those of us interested in this stuff find each other.
Bravo! Something I've always wanted to do: Have this conversation with Sir Penrose. You've accomplished a wonderful, and delightful, presentation of his and Hameroff's theory, which has been sorely lacking. The duo of Gandalf & Yoda!
Brilliant editing, Andrea! If my feeble mind can digest it, anyone's can. Well done!
What a mesmerising conversation and what a brilliantly well informed interviewer - that’s a rare thing in itself!!! - And isn’t it nice to see this intellectual giant admit that even he does not understand some things and even he ‘doesn’t know what he’s talking about’ in some area’s - that honesty only adds credibility to all the areas where he is an authority - and, of course, it’s reassuring to know that even physicists and mathematicians struggle with QM almost as much as the rest of us - it seems they can do the equations but the underlying reality, the concepts, implications and meanings are still quite opaque even to them - love that :)
I’ve watched this interview with Roger Penrose three times now. Each viewing led to a better appreciation of his theory of the collapse of the wave function. Thank you for such an illuminating interview. I’m looking forward to the next installment.
Ok. What fundamental mistakes did Penrose make that lead him to such a theory? What is the first step in his reasoning where he goes from correct to garbage?
@@donaldhobson8873I give up…what fundamental error does he make? I’m not a physicist, so I’d like to understand your point of view.
@@lewismackechnie7240 The first error is assuming that, if the schrodinger equation was the only rule, that the universe would look "more quantum".
We don't see cats in a superposition of alive and dead. Cats can be in a superposition of alive and dead, and when we look at them, we are put in a superposition of feeding a live cat and burying a dead cat. Neither superimposed version of us will see any kind of half way in between cat.
Thus "quantum collapse" isn't needed.
Also, the ideas about godel's incompleteness theorem. It's true that no process that can flawlessly answer all possible maths questions is computable. So if humans are computable, there must be maths problems we can't solve. Well we are talking about all possible maths problems, including the ones so long that we couldn't read the question in a lifetime. So yeah, there are some problems that humans can't solve.
If I understand you correctly, it seems that you’re advocating the”many worlds” interpretation of Scrohrodingers cat. As a quantum observer of a quantum cat, I think you’re saying that we see either a live cat or a dead cat, not half way in between cat. It seems that a quantum collapse occurs, but we’re aware of only the one one into which we, the observer collapses into as well.
I struggle with the Schrödinger cat example, because it seems to me that the cat is made up of an extraordinary number of quantum particles, all of which must collapse into a collection of particles that are either a dead or live cat. All of those particles in the cat must be observed by an observer who is also made up of an extraordinary number of particles that must also collapse into the observer. (Perhaps the cat is the observer of the observer??) In this scenario, it seems there are infinities being added to infinities.
What appeals to me about Penrose’s theory is that something independent of the observer (ie gravity) causes the quantum state for all particles to collapse into a classical state. In a sense, the quantum state is unstable after very brief periods of time and spontaneously becomes a classical state that we experience.
As to Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, I don’t have a good way of understanding Penrose’s discussion of how that applies to his argument. I’ve got to work on that one some more
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Collapse isn't real.
No such thing.
"observer" also isn't a thing. There is just a reality that exists.
Scientist sees cat in superposition of alive and dead. Scientist gets into superposition of feeding live cat and burying dead cat.
The universe continues on in superposition. But the inside of any one of the superimposed universes feels normal, nothing obviously quantum is happening to scientist or cat.
To the lovely young lady who carried out this discussion with Roger,... thank you so so much. Roger is one of my lifetime heroes
The way you conducted this discussion was truly poetic. That is not easy to do on the subject of science.
I can honestly say it ranks as one of my all-time best discussions/interviews l ever saw of this great man. Kudos to you and thank you so much.
It was scripted. They were reading off teleprompters, mr. conditioned tool.
This is more like an amiable talk between friends sitting in drawing room couches, felt not only educationally enriched but relaxing too. Glad to see Sir Roger (our Saint of Science) is looking well and healthy!
Thank you, what you're seeing is Roger's endless patience explaining these ideas. It was a joy getting to learn from him.
Absolutely. I haven't seen him as cheerful in giving interviews before. You have been wonderful for bringing us this classy conversation! Gratitude
So delightful to hear Roger talking, and with such honesty and self-deprecation too, in spite of having a brilliant mind that is more capable than many of pondering the nuances of these challenges.
Fantastic interview Andrea. Your questions were outstanding and your ability to summarize and simplify Roger’s theories was brilliant!
What a great podcast/interview, The content and frankness of the scientific world has been enjoyable. I love the way the interviewer and interviewed enjoy their discussion and bounce of each other in enlightenment and dscovery. How great is Roger Penrose's mind. These podcasts are so important for the future.
Wow now THIS is an interview of exceptional rigour, depth and originality! Anything with Sir Roger is a pleasure, it’s saddening to know he’s not so young anymore :( on the plus side, you’ve earned yourself a subscriber :)
This was really enlightening, entertaining and enjoyable. It's a topic I've been fascinated with for nearly my entire life. I was wondering so many ideas while listening to the two of you tickling parts of my brain that wants to know and understand the hows and if possible the whys. Thank you for this. ❤
I wonder how this plays into the law of attraction narrative, i.e. you need to believe you have achieved something before achieving it. Its metaphysical but kind of plays into this theory that the wave function collapses in the past and that leads to the classical reality we now observe. Btw, this channel is a gem. I have never seen such active engagement from the interviewer asking the right questions and leading the interviewee into a chain of thoughts. Keep posting!
The way you phrase these questions and stimulate his brilliant mind is impressive. This interview is gold.
Gotta love Penrose.
He thinks creatively.
One thing I love about this is it gets around the determinism of those who say the brain starts taking the action before we "decide" to do it, thus demonstrating that there is no such thing as "free will," or so they say. I've never believed it and Sir Roger gives me a way out. Bravo!
How?
People are all over the place on what they think. Somewhere out there, new worlds are popping into existence at some unknown interval. That is the one that bugs me, but people give that nonsense credibility. I cannot believe they would consider that possible.
You said "I've never believed it and Sir Roger gives me a way out", that is not how science works. You are essentially seeking scientific support for a belief system. This is a fundamental error in human psychology and is the reason the scientific method was established. You should go where ever the data leads you when practicing science.
What a magically fascinating, charming conversation you two share. 😊 🙏Thank you both. I have become conscious, and becoming conscious was bizarre and wonderful. I doubt I will ever hear any more descriptive theories of how it all happened to me. ❤❤❤
Great interview; questions and summation - and humour! A genuine dialectical exchange; like a verbal game of chess. Andrea asks challenging questions and Penrose - unlike some of his peers - has the humility to admit he doesn't know; or even understand.
Wow, beauty and brains! It’s quite impressive to see an interviewer grasp the concepts that Penrose puts forward. Even when Jordan Peterson interviewed him, you could tell he was falling behind constantly trying to keep up with Penrose. Penrose is my favorite scientist currently and you certainly did him justice! Thanks for the video!
What a fascinating person!! I’m going to have to rewatch this over and over to squeeze out all the ideas he talks about. An absolute inspiration ❤
Look him up, he's both one of the most prominent thinkers of our time (recent Nobel laureate) and he's willing to take risks. At his age and he's still on the cutting edge, which is rare.
His lectures on spinors and twistor theory are mind blowing. They'll take your full attention though.
@@ivocanevo will do!
Scientist/artist/graphic designer no less!
Lookup the Emmy Network Mind and Matter symposium from a couple years ago - their website links Penrose and Hameroff and Basil J. Hiley giving a talk to them - I agree with Hiley on this. "In the book, he cautions that we may err when applying the physics of time to our conscious perception of time. He writes that consciousness is the only phenomenon in modern physics that requires time to flow at all.
Penrose’s ideas about retro-activity as an explanation for quantum anomalies are only recently gaining traction. Retrocausality is the proposal that a measurement in the present can change a particle’s properties even before the measurement was made. “You need this distinction between the two realities,” says Penrose. Classical reality and quantum reality are fundamentally different realities. He adds that even the notion of before and after may be incoherent in quantum reality.
Why might gravity-induced wave function collapse produce non-computational consciousness? Consciousness “could be non-computable because it’s retroactive,” says Penrose.
Andréa, Wonderful and fascinating discussion. I have some questions and comments but still processing them and will post them later.
Absolutely fantastic interview. Best thing I’ve seen on the internet in forever.
Andrea Morris, you are a gem. I am so happy that this video got recomnended in my feed. This is one of the best interviews i have ever seen.
Subscribed. Waiting for more such vids. ❤
Instant subscribe! Roger Penrose continues to live and breathe his work and this interview shows it perfectly.
His emotional reaction to telling the story of the elephant was beautiful, too
Out of all of the biological computational machines Sir Roger really seems to be a non computational one. The fact that he knows what he knows and knows what he dont clearly sets out perfect example of it.♥️♥️
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Well done with the interview and the helpful visuals. The article is also well done, though it’s strange that it’s published in Forbes. I hope you do another one with Stuart Hammeroff and the quantum biology aspect of this theory
Yes, I need to follow up soon. I first learned about Orch OR when I interviewed Stuart a couple years ago for the Forbes article "An Experiment For Consciousness? Scientists And Philosophers Across Three Countries Debate It"
Yes, ask the other guy too! We need to hear this all the way through.
Weirdly enough, makes me think of a high thought I had. I don't do it often, so things get weird when I do.
I remember having this vivid imager that our brains are actually just in a sense reading a film tape. Except, instead of just one line being fed in, there are two. One line starts at some arbitrary beginning while the other is the coinciding ending.
Fabulous interview, Ms. Morris. He enjoyed it as much as you did, and your questions and his responses were awesome.
May you continue still to get love for this. Imo, you have asked some of the most intelligent, deepest, and provocative questions and as far as I can tell the best or my favorite interview and opening up from him that is available on yt
I couldn't stop listening. The best interview with Roger Penrose I have seen
I really, really enjoyed this. Extremely well-researched and presented. Dr. Penrose is as sharp as a needle and never studders when answering. Andrea has a lovely personality, projecting intelligence with beauty . Her understanding of complex topics deserves much applause, as well as her clarity and enthusiasm. I am an artist and writer well versed in philosophy, not so much in physics, but I have come to understand it.
My thoughts within my domain agree with Walter Penrose's retro idea in thinking rather than a step-up-the-ladder approach, leaving the door open for criticism while remaining transparent in my mind. I am presently writing a book, and this podcast gives me affirmation to continue writing. Thank you. I will definitely revisit it from time to time.
Thanks so much!
umm I believe his name is Roger tho
@@matthewskillo8577 correct . Thanks
Amazing discussion. A truly intellectual showpiece. Thank you both!
Thank you for watching and for such a kind comment!
I have read physics books since I was 14 and have not gotten to hear Sir Roger Penrose speak so back and forth in such an interview. I just heard about Orch OR and love the anesthesia / Hamerhoffs input. Multidisciplinary is the way it has to be thank you for this please do similar stuff in the future !