Slavoj Žižek meets Yanis Varoufakis (Part 1)
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- Join us for a captivating celebration of the life and thought of the rockstar philosopher and revolutionary, Slavoj Žižek! In this special event, Slavoj, known for his unique blend of dialectics, psychoanalysis, and humor, engages in a profound discussion that promises to be both erudite and entertaining.
At 75, Žižek shows no signs of toning down his provocative insights. Accompanied by Yanis Varoufakis, we will explore his extraordinary life story and intellectual journey-from his upbringing in the former Yugoslavia under Soviet rule, where even his master's thesis was deemed ‘not Marxist enough,’ to his efforts in democratizing Slovenia and advocating for human rights.
This is a rare opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the man dubbed ‘the most dangerous philosopher in the West’ and to hear his thoughts on pivotal issues facing our world today. In a sneak peek of his latest book, Against Progress, Slavoj tackles pressing questions: What are his views on AI and emerging technologies? Is there still hope for humanity amid the looming threats of climate change? And critically, is progress always a good thing? Join us for this intellectual deep dive as we uncover answers to these questions and more from one of today's most outrageous and maverick thinkers. Don’t miss out-subscribe and hit the notification bell for updates on this thought-provoking event!
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Varoufakis trying to get Zizek to stay on point is like watching a man wrestling an unruly dog
A large wet dog.
What was the actual critique of Lacan? I got lost.
😂😂
As zizek once memorable said...
" ja I know I'm only supposed to speak for 4 muinets but you know... well.... fuck you".
Both are very influential. Propably they survived so long, because there was always another one presenting them a bottle of milk, which they then emptied. Glory to them, the milk producers are dead now. Now they hope, that the new producers are as good in producing stuff, because they don't want to drink just half or some poisened stuff. The new producers might think now, that they are the new kings, but they don't find buyers anymore, so they earn half as much and soon have drastic shortages. So, they die, too. Officially, they were against Putin and the oligarchs, but they are the helping idiots dying for nothing.
the ability this man has to never finish a thought is astounding
Talk with Will Self was hilarious
@@ranro7371
Trump is a twisted fruit, just what losers like @ranro7371 need
I guess that would be more of an inability to finish a thought... :D
He is high
@@janbudin5900 that would explain the constant sniffing for all those years yeah
Slavoj comes out snortin and coughing up a storm before he even speaks. The content that keeps me coming back.
He really is the most coked up sober person I’ve ever seen. I wonder if he ever took cocaine it might slow him down.
It is very simple. He is using coke.
And within 5 minutes says the most brilliant s#!t!!! What a trooper, taking one for the human team. 😊
@@zinovigoubarHe had tics. He actually talks about how he doesn't do it as much when speaking French.
truly the bulldog of modern politics.
I remember somewhere I read that Slavoj looks like a raccoon that used to live in a dumpster in the back of a library and was transformed into a human by a magical fairy. It is hilarious how every time I see this guy this thought comes back to my mind
Actually no it's not so funny as it is ordinary.
It certainly is a powerful image.
Ahahaha I was simply not prepared for this comment
This is the level of childish discourse in the comments. JFC the American left is absolutely inept.
once saw a clip where the top comment mentioned how he hits like a 5 point sniffle nose touch combo and now i sorta keep track while I watch him talk it's fun.
İf part 2 doesnt come soon we will RIOT!!
Seize the Means of Part 2! The CapitaClysm.
Lets riot anyway, it's in vogue across all political spectrums....
Watch out! Sir Keir Starmer will send one of his state-sponsored Grooming-Gangs round to kick your door in.
We are together to do so. :)
Because it has to go on and so on
"And so on, and so on" - S. Žižek
you know ? sniff
This is slowly getting old :(
i have a theory that the people who comment about zizek's tics rather than literally any other part of the video are the same people who talk about how they misheard something in a conversation rather than discuss the topic itself.
the negation of contribution is the popular discourse of the internet.
@@GenteelCretinI don't think that's a "negation of contribution", atleast not in the hegelian dialectic sense if that's how you meant it.
he allways sais the same thing . He has one script which is mostly empty
the first 20 Seconds of Zizek already killed me, tongue out and agressive sniffing in the microphone lmao.
After 20 years of listening to this guy it's still excruciating to do so. I guess it's a testament to him that I still do it.
Yanis, and Slavoj, you Rocks Guyz !!!!!! thanx a lot for that.
🦾🦾
thank you seeing zizek and varoufakis in this dark times is always a delight 🍷
It's super unfortunate because it's an important point but at 10:57 he actually meant to say that it's in perversion (not hysteria) that the unconscious is most repressed, according to Freud. He says it correctly in his Oxford address posted on Nov 26, 2024.
yes thank you
Completely correct. Saw the Oxford address too
Yea, I was very confused after that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but perverts are more repressed because they identify with the imaginary structure of the object instead of what the object actually appears as. Hysterics are less so because they lack identity and are therefore more capable of seeing past just the imaginary structure and potentially seeing the object as it really appears to be.
Bang on good catch
The fact that Yanis didn't correct him is quite telling!
When he calls him a sweetie pie in the introduction, my heart melted. The highest praise I can give to a stranger is to call them an obvious sweetie head. So it's like I value that trait a lot. And I did not come to watch this video when I saw it suggested to me because I was like oh, I bet there's a high chance if I click this that somebody will call the speaker a sweetie pie. And when that was indeed what happened, it smote my heart. The world needs more of that.
Serious rigorous , ntellectual, empathetic activists who could nevertheless best be described as a "sweetie pie." that's the way to help everybody and I'm glad to be witness to this
Why characterize a man as a gentleman when instead you can accuse him of being a sweetie pie?
@PadraigTomas Oh that's a loaded word accuse haha
“A genuine sweetie pie” oh my god I love them both ❤
This is the way you talk to Zizek as equal, not by showing how smart you are in your question, but just going; “what the fuck is up with Lacan man?”
They both look great, good to see them again!
I love how Yanis tries to corral Zizek's wandering mind.
As much as I enjoy listening to Varoufakis, I would have happily listened to Žižek for 20 minutes.
honestly doesnt really help, I'd just rather listen to zizek rambling for longer and eventually arrive at a beautiful conclusion
It’s like trying to staple the wind
Herding cats; nailing fog to the wall. And such Sisyphusian metaphors. But fun!
Talk with Will Self was hilarious. He did it, without being very nice about it.
The host understood many things in which Zizek is an expert and it was amazing. So many talks with Zizek have a host who has absolutely no idea what Zizek is an expert on. They flounder as an overeducated communications major or whatever. who's underqualified to host an interview with Zizek. This was much better.
I highly recommend Yanis (the host) stuff on techno fuedalism and the problems with neo classical econ
Yanis is a heavyweight
“The host” is a former Greece’s Minister of Finance, an activist who’s now banned by Zoinist Germany, and quite a heavyweight himself especially when it comes to Economics!
This is not a host interview situation, Yanis is his own full blown (economical) philosophical figure!
Because that host is really not just a host, he's also an excellent economist. I dont agree with everything he says, but he is getting a lot of things right.
Varoufakis is the only person i have witnessed in discussion with zizek that can shut him up mid-sentences 🤔
Was relieved to hear Varoufakis say about Lacan “… who I’ve never managed to understand …” at 9:10 since he sympathizes/agrees with Zizek. If two people as intelligent as Chomsky and Varoufakis say they don’t understand an author, I will never, so no need to try. Also liked how Zizek said he reads secondary literature first.
"Also liked how Zizek said he reads secondary literature first."
Like reading the comments on a video first, as I'm doing right now XD
Can't tell you how many times I'm unsure as to whether a video might have something interesting to say... look at the comments... nope not gonna bother.
@@salmongod9115 This is a rule i live by for years now.
In the description you say "from his upbringing in the former Yugoslavia under Soviet rule". No. Yugoslavia was not part of the Soviet block. Thank you.
Yeah. It can get really grating. Nobody ever get's that right. I would even go as far to say that it was anti-Soviet.
@@ginemginem They were anti few years after the split (1948.) but later, once the Stalin was out of the picture, they had projects together and stuff. But still, from 1948. onwards Yugoslavia was not a part of the Soviet block. She, on the other hand, had it's own non-alignment movement from 1961.
What an embaressment
@@ginemginem it was not... don´t go to far when you don´t know where you´re heading...
@@lazarveljkovic584 Yugoslavia differed from the rest of the eastern block in that it wasn't part in the Warsaw pact. but it can be counted as part in the Byzantine commonwealth.
Yes!! 2 of my favourite speakers
Someone turn up the high's on Slavoj's mic so I can hear the sniffing even better pls
This is what I was waiting for @16:37 this "escalation problem" put in a perfect context. Thanks Zizek.
Good to see that Zizek has finally got on top of his ticks.
It’s like he is on a walkie talkie that keeps clicking in and out right in the middle of the important bits.
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If part 2 doesn’t come soon I will get a job! Please hurry
How I love Žižek for his style of answering a Question "why ...."" with "Because .........."
That's rare in modern times
It's like watching a failing, sputtering old incandescent bulb trying to light a room in this modern age of high efficiency LEDs. Astounding💡
as a 62 year old American working woman, I can share that all my organisms start in the mind, so to hear this older man say that his mental organism was, at his age, better than his physical organisms was very relatable.
Žižek moves between orthodox Marxist radicalism and a perverse conservative nostalgia, a chameleon of dialectical critique and reactionary longing.
agree except he isnt really a standard orthodox marxist
Zizek is the chaturbate of philosophy.
Some would say hegalian
Some might even say Stalin
And some might even say choo-choo-choo!
Slavoj's problem is, that he speaks much, much, faster than he can think, something that applies to most people in the modern world. While it makes for slow and somewhat laborious conversations, one should never talk faster than you can think, it produces precise & impeccable speech.
I think he's more the opposite, his brain is racing off and the rest of him is struggling to keep up.
For those who think that Žižek speaks incoherently and cannot understand what he means. The truth is that philosophy is not easy for those who have not studied it, like other subjects. He does not speak for the general public, he assumes that the listener is aware of the generalities and he is usually making a reference. In addition, the philosopher's job is not to answer questions, but to raise more questions.
yeah when he said "JD vance has performed a perfect Lacanian intervention" and just moved on I was like "but what's a lacanian intervention" lmfao
@@birdwalkin you only understood that sentence because it didn’t have a lot of S’s in it
Slavoj Žižek, the philosopher with thee cleanest nose.
When you take out your Zizek bingo card, you always get bingo
Love to see this one.
*Slavoj Žižek and Yanis Varoufakis, two of the bests!*
Where is part 2 ?!
It is in the gap which opens up between the transcendental horizon of meaning and the Thing in itself.
@@sprobablycancr4457 😁
@@ashotsnkhchyan6813 in the future.
@@sprobablycancr4457 blah blah CTMU
it's out now if you still care
do not agree with everything these guys say, but man, this is a breath of fresh air to have a powerful discussion and exchange of ideas in the spirit of the true platonic academy and aristotelean tradition - and yes Kant is responsible for Ukrainian war; totally based xD lol
We need part 2
cool...two of my favourite people
Oh yes, two of best users of the letter S in this era. Truly wholesome.
Zizeks greatest hits 🔥
Before I even watch it I’m smiling because you know you’re going to settle down to listen to Zizek
I love this intelligent banter.....
Under ‘Soviet rule’?! Are you American or just born this century?
They installed Tito right?
@ in god’s name what age are you?
@grahamorandazzo5090 Tito installed Nazis, the serbian nationalists and the croatian fascists in their graves and then came in power.
@@grahamorandazzo5090no, they didn’t. Tito took over his nation himself without being installed by either the Soviets nor Americans. This is why Stalin tried to assassinate him for not falling in line like the actual puppet leaders he installed in the rest of eastern Europe and the Americans would never tolerate a socialist puppet government
In order for someone to have knowledge on something, do they need to be have been born in the century that it happened or was invented?
7:29 can anyone tell me where I can find Zizek's book 'Politics and So On'?
It's part of Hegel and so and so
Not at all about 'getting Trump', that is about 'getting the appeal of Trump'.
Also, a lot of the left gets it. Liberals don't
Liberals absolutely "get Trump". Its the right, esp. "conservatives" in America who don't really understand Trump. They think he "says mean things but freedom and stuff". Hopefully they don't learn the hard way just what electing a tyrant means.
I think zizek miss spoke, no where is the unconscious more repressed then in a pervert, is what he ment, the hysterics are the good ones tapped into the unconscious questioning all things (big others).
When the place we play, breathe and think within is owned by one or two corporations. Yes, the final point of part 1.
ABSOLUTELY horrifying, and so on and whatever.
The answer is easy Slavoj, it doesn't need a lecture: we turn them from profit oriented corporations, into mission oriented worker managed collectives. One worker one vote. But I guess there are no short answers for a Lacanian 😅
Slavoj just aims to inspire much more radical thinking - in the broadest sense demolish thought barriers to converge on a new collaborative social relationship
@@joshmcilwain2427 Yes, I think so too. It's propaganda, basically, since there is no movement, so there is nothing much you can do. I was mostly joking though, not trying to lecture Slavoj on communism.
Nothing less has been said with more words
Apparently you have never listened to Jordan Peterson.
Žižek talking about Left is like the Queen Elizabeth talking about High Performance Programming. The guys is just stupid and takes advantage of his "I'm from Yugoslavia" past. He celebrated every single bombing in the Balkans.
Two intellectuals sit down and talk about the state of society, and manage only to prove how divorced they are from the reality of "average" people - not surprising considering who is on stage. People vote for Trump because they have no faith in the established political elite any more, due to rising inequality, crime and a feeling that you have no power over your own life - and since they are not offered a candidate who will change things for the better, they will vote for any change, even if it for the worse, as long as the status quo doesn't continue. So Trump.
When Kamala Harris talks all people see and hear is a practiced facade that doesn't mean anything, while Trump at least seems sincere ( at least they got this right ).
Zizek is brilliant. It is only now that it occurred to me what the trump thing is. It is like sitting in a comedy club where half the people get the joke and half not only do not get the joke but are offended. No matter how much you try to explain the joke, the people who don’t get it, will never get it. Janis does not get it. « Trump does not understand postmodernism »…WHAT? Of course he doesn’t. That is not the point, never was. Zizek not only isn’t offended, he understands the joke. Not surprising. Zizek is still Slavic and laughing with the one who can BS the most is a national pastime.
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Theres a old video ,not a long piece, featuring Yanis and Slavoz talking .
Im so happy to see them together again bc it was that old piece was the reason I really got turned on to them both
I think that was when I first got aware of Varoufakis technofeudalism concept and we were all just waiting for him to write the book about it which wasn't there yet at that point
@flibflob2785 I think that could well have been it . Not a long drawn out thing but memorable for the reason you state
Biggest “what the EU just signed a few days ago will ruin the union once and for all” drama queen of all time -> GV
I'm pretty sure Zizek mixes up perversion and hysteria, as he meant to say "nowherere is the unconscious more repressed than in perversion" but says "... in hysteria" instead. He says it correctly in his talk at Oxford.
speakers whose articles in my reading experience are among the most cogent in contemporary public discourse, not to worry overly regarding their books that I haven't managed to finish, because they speak wonderfully as well
I love the way Yanis turns to the camera at 6:15 like wtf is this dude saying
Maybe you didn’t listen. Yanis is a fanboy, not a slacker commenter.
I think he turned to the camera like that cos it’s hard to keep Slavoi on his point and the direction of the conversation gets twisted every two minutes 😂
They are going to publish this interview in four parts one every week, aren't they?
The background state is of very high complexity.
In the present, we're only interacting with a small part of it.
Sometimes, it takes a long time to figure out the complexity of the background from our small interactions with it.
The present is necessarily contingent, then, due to constraints on our awareness of it.
And, we should not overestimate our capacity to make sense of many perspectives with one perspective.
this is a lucid conception, i'd just add that recent work on the implications of bell inequalities (extended wigner's friend, 'local friendliness' constraints, etc) strongly suggest that contingency is ontological, not just epistemological.
@@joshwalker7460 It's funny you say that, I had a similar problem on my mind when I wrote that comment.
I was thinking about how to treat quantum measurements as simple thermodynamic systems.
Contingency is a necessary feature of both thermodynamics and quantum mechanics, and at the point of measurement there's an interesting symmetry there.
It seems to be necessary to assume contingency right from the start, or the process of isolating thermodynamic energy can't be performed.
I think the primitive in object recognition is this process of isolation, and the thermodynamic energy associated with it.
It's not so clear in quantum mechanics the universe is isolated much at all! There's interdependencies everywhere, by necessity.
@@ywtcc these thoughts are close to my own, i strongly suspect that this line of thinking is fruitful.
your last remark made me chuckle; since adolescence i've argued this to my father, a staunch engineer with a pragmatic disposition-- 'where is the evidence that the universe can be considered as a closed system?' this argument has become highly symbolic and seems strangely important.
is it possible that there is some useful refinement of our basic concepts here?
All this seems very good to me, a meeting between friends and such. But it seems to me that defining oneself as a socialist or communist today seems obscene without first having updated a doctrine that, like so many others, does not stand the test of time. Back then, they first defined vocabulary and processes, today they wander between subjectivities and personalisms. It seems incredible to me to continue dreaming of utopias.
Omg but Žižek piping his snot in the microphon while Yanis is introducing him 😂😂😂😂😂
I’ve mentioned this in other Zizek threads, but I’d be curious to see what his thoughts are vis-à-vis Hegel and how Leopold van Ranke’s historicism clashed with the former, since van Ranke to me exhibits a more robust “contingent” historical outlook with a undoubtedly romantic notion of human agency yet strikingly less deterministic than the universal march of the Hegelian spirit.
10:52 I think he meant to say: _(Freud), 'Nowhere is the unconscious more repressed, more inaccessible than in _*_Perversion.'_* [not Hysteria]
10:00 zizek is my actual prof; he is wrong about this point; the hysteria is the response to the hivemindidioms, the hivemindidioms are not hysterical "dusk of minerva" point.
for a critique of zizek, see my work "carrying over the burdens of trace"
Don't do us like that, give us part two already 🙃
Oh yes we do!
9:10 Why Lacan? Because we live in the absurd. But somehow, everyone believes that everyone else knows what they know. The ultra absurd.
Intense!
Yes, where is part 2? Please get your act together!
Hell yes!
Varoufakis' face is a give away haha
I really wish there is a virgion where he continues the ideas he was speaking 😢
"Western politics is the marketing of fear and ha"Western politics is the marketing of fear and hatred." (aka pro a ganda.) Western politics often employs fear and hatred as tactics to sway public opinion and achieve political goals. This phenomenon is rooted in human psychology, evolutionary biology, and the manipulation of information. Recognizing these dynamics is crucial for promoting a more informed and critical citizenry, capable of resisting the exploitation of fear and hatred in political discourse.
👉 In short it works because we love to hate, it makes us feel righteous and superior without having to think a blink.
I think there is no need to include western in this sentence. I think this applies to politics in general.
@@DJONOTrax I don't know about other hemispheres. I live in the West and observe Western politics in Europe, US, Canada and Australia. I avoid talking about what I don''t/can't observe.
I just look at the inner politics of the countries I mentioned, I look at what ii did and does to it's own citizens.
You are 100% right western politics use fear as their weapon because of revolutionary biology fear is the real master. BUT THE THREAT AND DANGER IS VERY REAL. I"S"LAM SPREAD BY SWAORD DEATH BY INTERNET. YES FEAR IS NOTREAL ITS IMAGINARY BUT THE DANGEROUS AND THREAT IS VERY MUCH REAL.
@@a.randomjack6661 Fair enough you don't have to follow politics everywhere nor have an opinion about politics everywhere. I was just saying that this statement applies quite universally to politics across various human social settings, at least in the era of sedentary aggrarian slave/feudal/capitalist societies.
The idea that non-western societies are exempt from some of these most toxic political phenomena is a bit infantilizing of non-western people's. Again, I am not saying that you nor Zizek/Varoufakis is saying that. I am just saying that sometimes leftists (like myself) can become a bit obsessively critical of toxic phenomena in the west to the point that we start thinking in terms of western exceptionalism in the leftist sense - i.e. western phenomena are exceptionally bad! And while that statement might be partly true, we should not fall into the philosophical pitfall of thinking that such toxic phenomena is inherent to the west and completely foreign to the rest of the world. Such a philosophical position would just be the other side of the same coin of essentialism that the right wing engages. That is not as bad as the right-wing's philosophical assumption, but it is still essentialism.
@@DJONOTrax I agree with that. I just think that nowadays in the West, like in the last 25 years, hatred against groups of all sorts, from races to economical classes, to those that said no to some experimental treatment has increased in tone and frequency.
Divide to rule is basic predator behavior, especially within social animals, wolves, lions etc.
Baboons are particularly interesting, they are very political animals even if they don't vote. See Robert Sapolsky whom studied them.
Anything and everything is used as a wedge to split us in groups and have them angry at each other.
We have never been so manipulated and divided. we are ran by predators ready to destroy society, if not the world so they can accumulate more, a lot more wealth.
It's called a pathocracy. ☮
These people are really smart and gifted but always present the problem without giving a viable solution
Time for you to use your own brain. Philosophers only think. They don’t arrange people into groups or make policies.
Just to say Yanis - Hegel was not missing from our curriculum when I studied Philosophy at The University of Nottingham in the UK in the 1990s
Now that this encounter has happened, the universe can end.
Ignorance and hate does not stand a chance against intelligence and love. That is why absolutely noone in the intelligent part of the world aren't "afraid" of Trump. Actually we do not care about him, except feeling sad for the lack of love and intelligence among the American population.
Part 2, please.
Oh no, we get him, we just don’t understand why anybody in their right mind would want him in any position if power
2:26 "This country" is which country?
uk
We all know by now that Slavoj's rap is acoustically juicy. Please EQ his mic!
Can I find it as a podcast
Listening to Zizek I am struck by how common the letter “s” really is.
If part 2 doesnt come soon I will become a Julius Evolian
Interesting
Can you post link to Part 2?
when was this recorded
15/11/2024
@@kllokoq useful and important information
@@kllokoq Thank you!
microseconds after it was spoken
@@MattNolanCustomThat's pretty funny 😂(and accurate)... I loved the precision, kid.. Keep on with the good work 👍🙌🤜🏼
It's like a conversation between Daffy Duck and Bugs Bunny.
- Let the gladiators to the arena!
- But, master, they're Varuoufakis and Zhizhek...
- Never mind. We will let the rhinos later. This is just a warm up.
I think when Zizek is talking about shame he is speaking of it as a form of self-censorship to maintain a minimal degree of harmony. It's a very Confucian idea. There needs to be a bit of repression; we need to be somewhat repressed to maintain a basic level of decency. When we abandon repression, shame, and this productive act self-censorship, we lower the standard so much that someone like Trump emerges, which is the most obscene thing imaginable.
Hands up fellow Misophonia sufferers who find it impossible listening to Slavoj Žižek's slurping.
Seripusly who does. There is a most troubling problem that has descended on the American people. A huge moral vacuum that has gripped this lovely country
There is a reason why people turned to Trump … if you can’t see it then you are living in some fantasy ! 🤷
Part 2 please
It's not the Ukrainian War, it is the Russo-Ukrainian War. Aggressor is pointed first in such kind of names.
Then it'd be Ukraino-Donbas war.
In high demand: Žižek-de-esser.
A handkerchief, anyone? A kingdom for a handkerchief!