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Zondag met Lubach was a great tv show that I still watch back every now and then! Hope you will be covering more of his episodes! He is the same guy that you have covered previously with "America first, Netherlands second".
He can be amazing, but sometimes he's just a tad too left-winged for my taste.
Ignoring those exceptional moments, I really do like him!
@@MarcelNL sometimes??
@@daanloco7200 To me he comes off more center-left. Reactionary, but accepting of different points of view.
Though maybe that is because I'm center-left
@@TheTrueAltoClef dat zal het zijn. Ik niet.
@@daanloco7200 ja iedereen zijn eigen gedachtengoed, en daar heb ik respect voor
It Just now showed that even windmills are dangerous. One of them broke and came down last week here in The Netherlands. Glad I wasn't underneath the thing while biking. 😂
Mag ik toch even gezegd hebben hoe leuk het wel niet is dat juist jij dit zegt
@@grillworsttv6273 hahahaha, maar uh..... paar collega`s van me rijden altijd in die buurt als ze komen werken....... toch best eng idee.
@@grillworsttv6273 hahaha
Wasn't it a block of ice that came down from it? And the detector that is supposed to shut them down during ice formation failed?
Did u know that if see in a windmill park of 10 windmills if 1 windmill is turning the other way it consumes al the energy of all 9 other windmills yust to keep the electricity circuit not to blow up. Because it handel pikes of production.
Make sure to watch till the end if you'rewatching another of his videos. He usually makes a pun at the end while asking you to subscribe.
Most of the puns get lost in translation
Those windmills are actually way worse than nuclear reactors. All the composites that they're using can't be re-used and are sometimes even buried under the ground.
In Holland we love this sarcastic shit😂
I m curious how people in the usa Think about this topics
Great video,really enjoyed your reaction 😂
John Oliver is ook vaak sarcastisch en heeft ook vaak dit soort onderwerpen. Zoek maar eens op. Een late show in de USA
The problem with nuclear energy, the emotional problem, the scare, is that it all started with a bomb. Even the ones that founded environmental organizations, like Green Peace, stated that (see the movie/documentary "Pandora's Promise").
We need to build this on water. If it heats up like chernobyl. You can cool down the meltdown in seconds, and save the uranium etc.
@@edwindevries5869 you do know what happens when water rises to extremely high temperatures, right? sure, the 'meltdown' might be cooled in a short period of time. But what about all that water that has now risen to high temperatures? that water is not longer water as we know it: it's turned into very hot steam that can burn people way worse than that meltdown ever would, as there is no escaping that hot steam. The steam would first burn all the people (and WILDLIFE) within a close radius, which would quickly turn into heavy rain clouds which would be another problem entirely. there is no good reason to build them on water rather than land; it would also be harder, longer and more expensive to transport that energy to land, aka where it's actually needed.
I live in the Netherlands. What an amazing country, what an amazing people, what an amazing culture... Voor altijd dankbaar...
@@matthijsvanemous7046 I stand corrected...
Same for me! Just happy in Friesland!
I live in borssele, every morning when i go to work i see the blue and orange box
hello from the Netherlands Highly .
I don't hear anyone about submarines and aircraft carriers that also run on nuclear energy,
almost all of them have a mini nuclear power plant on board that are a lot less safe than a nuclear power plant on land.
thanks for the video Highly .
Sincerely Hollandduck
Actually, most of them don't use nuclear power. There are something like 47 aircraft carriers active in the world as I write this. All the nuclear powered ones are American (11 of them). With submarines the ratio is vastly different, not only because not all submarines are nuclear but also because not all submarines are military.
@@bentels5340 the point being thats quite a few nuclear reactors that are subjected to the worst possible conditions(salt water environments are among the harshest environments). and apparantly even the risk of outright destruction by high explosive weapons is an acceptable risk. (its a prime military target those subs and carriers) but oh dear if the russions and ukranians start fighting around a nuclear plant then its a major risk. just dont mind the US who sends nuclear powered equipment right into battle thats fine and risk free......just forget about those times in wargames that US carriers were sunk by simple diesel subs.
anyway i think you get the point, while nuclear energy is hardly risk free its still way safer than any other source of energy. but same as with flying(safest form of travel!) the attention goes to every thing that went wrong (plane crashes) in stead of looking at the real numbers across the board.
its an emotions game, you have no control over a plane crash, but you do control your car. thats why people dont really fear a car crash as much as a plane crash. They think they will be able to prevent a car crash themselves which makes them feel in control, even though they rationally understand you cant control other (drunk) drivers driving into our car.
@@Megacheez You do get that they don't hang those reactors in the salt water, right? And that if a nuclear sub or carrier is sunk and the reactor goes down, it ends up being surrounded by the same material nuclear power plants use as radiation shielding, but much more of it? Whereas if the Russians breach a reactor in The Ukraine the radioactive material will be exposed to the atmosphere? Including wind? Sorta like what happened with the Chernobyl installation?
Risk is defined as probability of occurrence times impact of occurrence. With plane crashes and nuclear incidents, the probability may be low but the impact is high. That means the risk is not negligible.
@@bentels5340 I get that they don't hang those reactors in the salt water, but those reactors are much more dangerous!
Those reactors are literal targets in times of war!
And you forget for a moment those 200 submarines that russia has yet to dismantle, that are rotting away!
Have you ever heard of a disaster with a sub or carrier resulting in a mess like Chernobyl or Fukushima????? Or issues like with Petten or Tihange???
haha ow noooo not the zwarte piet box! 😂
this man has watched more zondag met lubach then i ever have. i need a TV dammit
All these data-centra need so much energy
Arjen Lubach did a good episode on that as well.
I love this great satire. Nice to see you 😂
He s so good ,spot on
A good one, thank you for posting 👍🏻
The Dutch think fast...Smart people.
Meh, we're not that smart. We haven't got answers to this one that are any better than anybody else's.
@@bentels5340Education pension .bealthcare .infra roads infra digital safty .pers freedom .life expention 83 age An we are the rich country in the world ...by far
@@renekuipers4563 we are hardly the richest country in the world and in regards to those other things we range anywhere from the top to near the bottom of the European countries.
yes some are smart like him but some are dumb like a lot of politicians that arent caring about climat and i dont know how to type that cause im dutch and english is my second language and we dont have finnish education system.
React to lubachs video on summer and winter time! That one is hilarious
Watch all their episodes ( im from NL ) also i love this guy who is reviewing it !!! ❤
I luv zondag met Lubach!!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe a thorium reactor? It even has the possibility to use nuclear waste for fuel.
It's an idea that has been played with several times over the decades. From what I understand, the basic problem with thorium reactors is that they produce less energy per unit of "fuel", which means you need more of them or you need bigger ones, making them more expensive. So basically (again, from what I understand), they've never been economically viable.
@@bentels5340 Basically, thorium reactors have negative efficiency, and that's the best case scenario. You won't get any reactive power.
@@therealdutchidiot Is there documentation on that? First time I hear of thorium reactors having negative efficiency. I know that China is already testing a TMSR and wants to commercialise in the next decade.
@@sjeeke There are tons of paper on the subject, but the essence is that Thorium just isn't that reactive. You have to keep putting in more energy than you get out for a crazy long time.
@@therealdutchidiot OK. Not sure what search terms to Google that would address that specific problem but I'll keep trying to find those papers. I'm sure I'll find it eventually.
Ja, next level
This was awesome! 👏🏻
Windmills for energy cause mental problems because of the noise they produce. Also the cows become crazy, they can't progress that noise. You can only built those windmills in remote area's where there are no animals suffer the noise and also no humans. For example in deserts. Not here in the Netherlands where it is very crowded... Also the production of windmills and solar panels are not very clean. The windmills itself are buried in the ground, because they can't recycle the windmills.
Brilliant!
Not just about money, the opposite even. Most environmental organizations have roots into the seventies and eighties, most of the arguments are still the same and they are imprinted deeply on the collective minds, and they are not rational or reevaluated. These arguments from Lubach are also not new either and were heard in engineering and scientific circles in the early nineties. (and probably before, but then I wasn't part of them). Though back then the argument was still more "fossil fuels will run out in years, rather than climate.
'no we're not simply spouting talkingpoints, it's pure coincidence we all say cookie factory... honest!'~
right, so what im getting from this is; a nuclear power plant is NOT a cookie factory. aight, i guess that's the way the nuclear waste crumbles.
I heard that "they" found a way to use nucleair waste to make New nucleair energie.
Molten Salt Reactor of MSR) is a type kernreactor.
News in the Netherlands 14 november 2022
Arjan had great points to see, and wei thinking of wy, thanks higly for this video ❣️
BOOM! Straight to the real issue. 13m14s
There is a country in war with Ukraine and they kept on bombing power stations and nuclair facilities were under attack. I can tell you that even some here in the Netherlands were a bit nervous. ( I was pregnant of my first when Tjernobyl exploded and we could not eat the spinace that came from the farmers. 2000+ km from here......and we were worried as f*ck).
Yeah, and now a days fortunate don't have to worry for your baby getting sick from airpolution, due by dumping thousands of metric tons of poisionous gasses in the atmosphere daily by burning fossil fuels, raising global tempratures so the planet slowly becomes unhabitable for all life its not that Europe is expierence atm the warmest winter ever recorded, and now suffering as always a terrible siberian winter in Netherlands, just like 70+ years ago, and still have the 11 steden toch ridden each year. and hope maybe one day we invent ways to use renewable energy sources so efficient it can feed the whole planet it power needs 24/7/365 infinite so we can stop burning those fossile fuels..
Only real idiots would do that, that doesn't happen in reality with all those smart politicians in control, right
Oh.. wait..
Damn...
ever wondered where valve got it's orange box idea from?
Though I totally agree with all arguments in favour of nuclear energy I’d like to point out that nuclear energy is NOT free of carbon emissions, it might be sometime in the future but today it is not. Mining uranium, enriching it to levels of uranium-235 that can be used in nuclear power plants, the cooling of the waste and all of the transport involved is certainly not carbon free. That said, it is still much lower on carbon emissions than fossiel types of fuel, I guess.
Windmill's and Solar Panels. What about the parts that are not recyclable?? Bid piles of carbage for who knows how long!
No hate, but everything about those is recycled. I work in the recycling and every single part is re-used. So there is no wased comming from them. At least, not from recycling them. The making of them is extremely bad and is damaging.
Pls look more at him. I came from the Netherlands and I say to you: you have enough to see. Nice video
I'm a big fan of his shows .. I'm glad you liked it to!
Hallo, I am from Germany, Black Forrest region. WE have some regions Here, the Cäsium Rate IS still so high, hunted meat and picking Mushrooms are still forbidden.(because of Chernobil). And in whole Europe, there IS still No End Storrege Place for the nuclear Waste in sight. Plutonium IS a threat for the next 400 000 Years. I am glad, my Country IS turning its Back to this technologie.
Another Thing . Last hot Summer, the French Nuclear Powerplants needed to be shut down, because of the Lack of cooling water.
You are one of the people that simply do not listen. And that is exactly what the programme shows: I don't understand but you are OK with Braunkohle, that is bonkers. Luckily China and India are working on a molten salt reactor. Way less dangerous, maybe you should take a look at it. Though I do not think you will.
I did Listen, Just explayning my personel opinions on this Subject.I did Not critizies anything about this Show.
@@martinaklee-webster1276 So you did listen? Why did you claim there was no storage in sight?
No, you didn't listen. You heard, but didn't listen.
A really emotional German, that can't think straight.
How does shutting down all the modern nuclear in Germany help to burn less coal?
Or use Thorium , most cleanest energy with also the most energy.
There is now the Avondshow its equally as good
4:05 Not the craziest idea ever. Making an anime based on the Axis Powers maybe. But Id love to see that become reality
Even here in Norway people want nuclear powerplants after the previous energy bs.
This episode was from a few years back. Now with the war in Ukraine and the dependancy of Russian oil in Europe. European countries are FINALLY starting to see the need for nuclear energy.
It was planned to close the current nuclear plant. But now they are talking about expanding it with new reactors while allowing the old one to stay open a bit longer.
I've been saying for 20-ish years that we need more nuclear energy and invest in newer more advanced, more safe, amd more efficient nuclear power plants. Power plants that can re-use the old fuel. So that we can pretty much use the already stored fuel to make more energy.
Mammon is our God.
Mooi he hahaha
Good news, they're reopening the power station in Petten! Until we no longer depend on nuclear, this is simply the best solution.
Thit you do the of the superbowl
Arjen is wright to the POINT!!!!!!!,
Don’t forget that mining the fuel for this energy will cost more and more energy over time because the ore gets less and less rich of uranium
Moreover, I think most of the current uranium is coming from Russia... 😞
Not really
@@EMvanLoon I think Australia exports a lot of Uranium, and it is quite common and you don't need much.
Sure, we can't keep getting all our energy from it for 3000 years, but that is not the goal.
We definitly need more nuclear stations, there planning for planning 1 or 2 more in Borssele. Im from borssele and everyone here doesnt have a problem witb placing more
Planning for placing*
Solar panel parks be like chopping whole forrests and built solar panels on the same are so compagnies can claim that their energy is green. Did you know that grass fields absorbs even more co2 than forrests? Solar panel parks here in the Netherlands are built on grass frields.. Now the grass can't grow as fast anymore. It's like chopping a forrest because people think it is more green. It's stupid.
anyone about the fact how he said zondag met lubach XD as dutch person i think its funny
Remeber that there also is fusion now way safer.
Just send the waste into space🤷 with that amounts you probabably have to send 1 missile in 30 years or something and you can build it really simple cuz it wont have to return.
How can you call a nuclear meltdown that made hundred of thousands of people move away from their homes no real disaster because only 1 person died
That's easy. That's not what happened. The tsunami did that.
btw nuclear isnt a tabooo anymore. the netherlands gonna build 2 new reactors.
It's only 2 because it's a taboo.
You are right! Its all about the money! Sad!
they need to shoot he waste in to space there is enough space up there so if you shoot it in to the sun or a gass giant problem solved
@12.07 The big orange box is resistant to snow plows? Jeremy Renner will be relieved!
(So sorry for this terrible joke....)
Why are you wearing a woofer? 😂
Atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki still got radiation.
There is this one thing we haven't had yet as far as nuclear power plant accidents go and that is the big one. Two words: China Syndrome.
And there's a reason for that: it's thoroughly impossible.
BTW, the realistic core (hah!) of the "China Syndrome" myth (a core meltdown) has in fact happened, at Three Mile Island. Scared half the United States shitless because it was 12 days after the movie "The China Syndrome" was released. Other than that though the movie did nothing but prove that American high school education was no great shakes between 1965-1979 either, as a tunnel drilled from anywhere in the US straight down and through wouldn't end up in China.
In 1987 I was still in school (I'm 48 now) and we all got the question: what do you think of nuclear energy?
Most kids said that it's bad and stuff. I replied that it's not much of an issue, as there's just steam coming out of those pipes, but that the waste is the main problem.
The teacher came to me and we had a good talk about it, he agreed with me. One solution can be to shoot the waste into the sun, problem solved.
Moral of the story: if a 12 years old kid in 1987 already knew this, why is it still so uncommon in 2023? And why is money an issue to improve our entire planet?
There are about 195 countries in the world (a little less or more, some countries don't recognise some other countries). If every country contributes it's part where possible for free, as an obligation to our planet, to make it a better place for all of us, problem solved. It's not that complicated, it's money, greed and power preventing this, as so many other things.
It's way to dangerous to shoot it into the sun. You have to get it into space first
@@themadsamplist Duh
@@Random_user_8472 Will you still say Duh when a rocket explodes on take of resulting in another exclusion zone????
Where do you get clean uranium from without co2 emissions and without poisoned regions and people where it’s mined?
@@barthuisman6076 For sure that will give less emission than burning brown coal :) There are ways to protect people (radiation suits).
So, if it's mined correctly, it's not an issue.
There is a new way of nuclear on the way
Nuclear fusion, you mean? Yeah they're making insanely good progress with that, finally!
@@MarcelNL As much as i like nuclear fusion to become a reality we are still far far away from net gain and make it worthwile. Meanwhile we still produce more co2 then nature can handle. There was some high praise that net gain was reached errr well depends how you look at it , you had a chamber where many lasers received energy i can't remember how much was involved but let's take a number 2.2, then they fused a pallet the size less then a grain of rice and got 3.6 out of it! Hurray net gain right? Well not so fast bringing 2.2 energy into that chamber required much much more energy more then 10 times the net gain , much energy was lost before it came into the chamber! But i don't want to sound to pessimistic by proving net gain is possible it becomes an engineering problem rather then a scientific one so that's good. Let's hope upscaling will fix the issue of energy loss either with this method or with another my eyes are on you ITER.
@@randar1969 Many inventions come with humble small steps. The first diesel engine for instance also looked like a disaster. :-)
@@MarcelNL yes sorry I am Dutch butt there is a new way of fusion coming and one week ago they made it work for the first time. And I know it is only the first steps they are making right now
@@ddekruik You're Dutch? OMG, that's crazy, how's life there??? :D
(Groeten uit Drenthe!)
a thorium reactor would be even better, 100% cleaner and 99% more efficient at creating energy. but offcourse that will keep beeing supressed untill it's to late or all fossil fuel is gone...
I looked at what's on the shelf and intercourse with corpses and Lolita's weren't things i expected
Zijn ook Nederlanders 🤔
He is funny, is'nt he but is he right?... I think he is.. . There are too many anti groups around.... As example, I have transported windmill equipment around the world as a mariner...at a fuel cost... then calculating production and erection costs...mega....Then after life span the windmill blades get burried because they are not recycle-able.....So which is more harmfull??
And hello, when a family member gets cancer, would you say no to a treatment like chemo or radiation or radiotherapy?? That's also creating nuclear garbage.
Everybody is talking about Chernobyl and Fukushima but I also remember a documentary about Three mile island in Pennsylvania. The aftermath is usely swept under the rug. My brother was born in 1986 and he and a lot of his former classmates have had cancer when they were beween 18 and 25 years old. I've visited Chernobyl myself when the nee sarcofagous was built. It still anything but safe. The war between Ukraine and Russia has caused new threats because the Russians were digging in the famous Red Forrest and bombing near the site. I get the current environmental issues but even the European Union finds the Dutch goals very very challenging. Our country is screwed by these decisions. Too many building projects are postponed while we're in enormous lack of affordable housing or housing anyway. Farmers will be kicked out of their businesses because of the pollution. And what happens when we will be too dependable on other countries? Well, Russia is the perfect example with gas. I know a bunch of people who are paying 6000 euros a month for electricity and gas. When I think about the smog in India due to pollution or that so many countries don't have smart traffic lights or do not even recycle their waste what's out tiny country change in the big picture. And what about not reproducing? Of course, because it's normal or it's the standard to have kids your not supposef to mention this but it will effect almost every environmental issue in the world. Anyway in the end.. In The Netherlands we're screwed anyway..
Sellafield, Cumberland, United Kingdom - est. 240 cancer victims
Idaho Falls, Idaho, United States - 3 deaths
Three Mile Island, Pennsylvania, United States - core meltdown could be avoided
Plymouth, Massachusetts, United States - Recurring equipment problems forced emergency shutdown of Boston Edison's Pilgrim Nuclear Power Plant
Surry, Virginia, United States - Feedwater pipe break at Surry Nuclear Power Plant killed 4 workers
And many many more - even with modern western reactors.
That, on the other hand, may be too pessimistic.
For the most part Lubach has a good point, but he's being somewhat untruthful while trying to sweep the downsides of nuclear energy under the rug. High-level nuclear waste is going to be dangerous for around 100.000 years -- and that orange box isn't going to last that long. Which is why it isn't intended as permanent storage. So what is, you ask? And the answer is: we don't know. Unsolved problem. There are countries that are dedicating granite caves to this, but we don't have those. And the problem here is, it's not our children we have to think of. It's the children 30 and 60 and 120 and so on generations on. Who can guarantee us that if we put up a big sign that says "KEEP OUT", they will still be able to read it? This is perhaps a containable problem, but not necessarily a simple one.
That aside, nuclear energy is not renewable -- even oil and coal regenerate over the course of thousands of years, nuclear does not. We have a limited supply of fissible material, so it's not a final solution.
(Edit: forgot something): BTW, it's cheap of Lubach to say that "only one" person died because of Fukushima. It will undoubtedly be more -- although a number are still alive right now.
Okay, let's expand on this. Let's get down to the physics.
What does it mean when something radiates for 100 years vs 1000 years or 100.000 years?
It means the same energy is being output over a longer period. Nuclear waste that has a half life of say 50 years is a lot less dangerous than the same waste with a half life of 500 years.
The argument literally ends here, because it's elementary physics.
Trace back the waste that keeps irradiating much more than background, which is what the 100.000 years means.
It's just not that dangerous. It does literally nothing.
In the same vain, nuclear waste that irradiates the surroundings over the course of a day is really dangerous. The expenditure is constant, the time period is (mostly) the key part.
In essence, radiation, electricity and yes, even temperature follow Ohm's law.
Responses like yours show people in general don't know the physics. This is the problem.
And this is why it's all about emotion. People think it's dangerous when it really isn't.
It's the same thing with "radiation" from mobile phones, WiFi and the like. Even a simple lightbulb is much more dangerous than those things combined. Because yes, it's the same thing. Light? Radio? UV? Röntgen? Gamma? It's literally the same thing, just different wave lengths.
WiFi and other mobile signals aren't only much less powerful than visible light, but up until UV-B there's literally no danger at all. And the danger starting at UV-C means you get immediate sunburns.
Look at how much more powerful Gamma and Röntgen are, and do consider the fact Röntgen is generally safe.
That's the physics involved.
You know when a bit of Plutonium or Uranium gets dangerous? When you eat it. The skin protects from outside sources, like the freaking sun.
Don't be gullible, learn some physics.
@@therealdutchidiot Yes, yes, yes! Learn some physics people. Stop getting your information from anti-nuclear activists or apocalyptic Hollywood movies.
@@therealdutchidiot We are talking about highly radioactive waste here, not stuff that's emitting alpha particles. And will do so for 100.000 years, which is why it has to be contained that long.
The rest of your response is gobbledygook.
People are scared of nuclear energy and if something does go wrong, it indeed will go very wrong. However, fukushima was caused by a natural disaster. Chernobyl was caused by bad management & communist regime. We do not have natural disasters in the Netherlands, so unless they decide to build in Groningen which does have earthquakes due to gas drilling, the risk is completely dismissable.
There still are risks of bad management, sabotage, or terrorist attacks. Not a big risk here, but not completely dismissable either, and strict security would still be needed.
No natural disasters? Tell that to the people in Zeeland where over 1900 people died due to flooding in the 50's or many more in the centuries before that. I believe we build protections to prevent such a thing from happening again and it consumed a lot of money. In the end though nature always wins it has more time then we do.
@@randar1969 True, but there are no current threats or natural disasters. Obviously they would need to stay faar away from the dams.
@@randar1969 just build up instead of down. Put the whole system on an artificial mount (terp) high enough to hold against even the worstcase sea level rise indications.
@@randar1969 I was about to say, ever heard of 1953? Or the St. Elizabeth's Flood?
You are becoming an "Atlantian"
How more video's i watch bout the netherlands, more i want to leave this wrecked USA...