The Benedict Option for Catholics
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By homeschooling, homesteading, and retreating away from the "fleshpots of Egypt", are Catholics abandoning their responsibility to be witnesses in the world?
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The Benedict Option is about consolidating to positions of strength, not retreating. It's about regrouping so as to contend as one united force, rather than leaving everyone to fight in tiny isolated clusters spead across the vast field. It's a standard battlefield tactic.
Really enjoy this description of The Benedict Option! Though, isn't retreating an element of The Benedict Option? In order to consolidate to a position of strength, surely we have to admit that we are retreating from positions of weakness? Retreating and Rallying.
@@brendanelliston In the sense of individuals, yes. Certain individuals will be leaving their tenuous positions to join stronger positions, and certainly that can be described as those individuals retreating. When speaking about the Church in general, however, describing these actions as retreat is misleading. It conjures notions of the Church cloistering itself off from the world, which is precisely the caricature that critics of the Benedict Option so often deride.
Jonathan and Brendan, Brian Holdsworth's co-presenter's assertion of: "Evangelism by procreation", is incomplete.
The position of an absolute power of authorisation of applications of observation measurement terms for ensuring procreation gift and insuring union need in withstanding extreme tensions caused by uncontrollable "oscillation between persistent forms of [purported presumed positions of retreating] regressive familyism on the one hand and an affirmation of radical individualism [purported presumed position of strength] that, in destroying the family reverses the progress of humanisation, heedless of the long-term consequences of so doing" (from the address of Pope Francis' delegate as his President of his Council for the Family, Cardinal Vincenzo Paglia, at the UNO on the UNO designated "The International Day of the Family", 15 May 2014), has been taken by Pope Francis since his election on 13 March 2013 in surpassing the option attempted by Pope Benedict XV1 of purporting presuming in his 3 February 2011 Vatican Radio: "Introduction to the Youth Catechism of the Catholic Church", in his addressing youth that: "... you all know how the community of believers has ['only' implied] recently been wounded by the attacks of evil, by the penetration of sin inside, even into the heart of the Church" that relied only on procreation and union as "inseparable" without as omitted in Pope Paul V1's Encyclical Letter "Of Human Life", Humanae Vitae, 1968, 12 adding 'qualitatively equal'.
Benedictine practice in Downside Abbey, UK, in education in sexuality and true love within the family is evident in Fr Martin Salmon osb's letter to me, dated 30 October 1994, practicing the cardinal virtue of "Prudence" (CCC, 1806) by pointing out the inseparability and equality in quantity and quality of consecrated celibate marriage vowed in Christ "dispensable by man" and male female marriage vowed in God "dispensable only by God".
This exercise of prudence corrected Jesuit injustice, lack of humility and intellectual bias in St Ignatius of Loyola's "Rules for Thinking about the Church" in his "Spiritual Exercises", n.356 (translator Louis J. Puhl sj, Newman Press, 1951) that "matrimony ought not be praised as highly as religious life, virginity and continency".
This correction is evident in a Jesuit, Pope Francis', simultaneous authorisations c. 10 June 2021 with absolute power of applications with 100% accuracy by his Vatican State Secretariat of State of observation measurement terms for:
(a) ensuring procreation charity donation gifts by helpers of the family;
(b) insuring need of union of identities of family members
in the cases respectively of:
1. alleged embezzlement by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others (presently been heard in the Vatican State civil court);
2. alleged unacceptable risk of fraud by passing of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament (defeated in early November 2021).
I agree with that strategy, however I read the Benedict Option and that is not the impression I got from the book
@@spencer2978 Then I think you misread the book
Ok, so my kids go to public schools: college, university and high school. All of my closest friends either homeschooled or currently homeschool. We all experience pretty much the same results : university age kids struggling with their faith, teens having a hard time. I would say, family is key and even though homeschooling is a better option right now, it is not the solution. We need REAL Catholic schools. Kids love school, it is natural, we are social beings. We need to start working and pushing for orthodox parochial schools that will generate vocations and a solid Church.
Generally speaking, homeschooled Catholics are much less likely to stop practicing the faith than non-homeschooled kids.
@@mathieuconklin3146 I can agree with your statement but again, homeschooling is not the solution. The ideal for me is parochial schools taught mainly by priests and nuns and participant parents. That should be the aim. My 22 year old son, who struggles with the faith has been more negatively influenced by the bad example within the Church than by the school system.
easy to say impossible to do
@@Mike-qc8xd Faith. Nothing is impossible for God.
@@12gardensbyj.verzino5 Yes. But for now, parents do not have good schools to send their kids too. "Catholic" schools are among the worst of them. But yes, the problem in Catholic schools now is rooted with the deep corruption in most institutions of the Church. Unfortunately, this is going to be a while to fix, possibly not even in our lifetimes, so parents have to do their best with homeschooling. Plus there's lots of good homeschooling communities out there
We are Orthodox Christians, we have been homeschooling for 22 years and I find it so much easier to teach my children about our faith and tradition than if they were gone from me for nearly 7 hours a day. Our family is the main influence. I think too much time with peers is a problem. Too much time in a conformity setting is not healthy. There are lots of ways to homeschool and sadly many just do public school at home. I have seen homeschool change over these 20 years and it makes me sad. It's becoming more like public school but just at home. The days of family focus, a slow paced home life that is filled with enrichment and goodness is leaving the homeschool community and is being replaced with individualism, high academic achievement focus, extra curricular activities and busy, busy busy and not a nurturing and gentle home for a child to grow and a family to grow together. So if you are not seeing a difference between homeschool and public school than that is why. So the core problem is family and how we are raising our children with very secular and worldly focus even in our Christian homes!! The internet has caused huge problems in our home, way more than tv,movies and video games. Once the internet has been brought into our home I find it to be a constant battle!! I don't know what to do but pray constantly for our family!!!
so true..I agree with you 100% I am
a homescjooling mama of 7 and feel you’ve nailed this 👍 even the families I know who have run away to the bush thinking the cities are rhe reason but it is that families need to slow down and make prayer life an important part of their day…nurturing children and slowimg down instead of worldly focus.
what i would love Nancy,…is to find a space on the net where families are doing this correctly …what it looks like so I can create the same in my own home. a place where perhaps we can discuss and encourage eachother with these goals in mind (of slowing down) pursuing Him.
No matter what school your child goes to, you must always consider your time with them to be THE most important factor in their faith development. Your teaching and example at home must be so strong and loving that they will always value it most amongst anything they hear in a school classroom.
Too many kids today are valuing society’s values over their parents’ values. I personally think both parents working has not been good for the kids overall . Raising a Christian takes lots of time and presence.
Great content! Even friends I have who are missionaries in NO parishes (through FOCUS parish missions) make great effort to raise their children and surround themselves in community OUTSIDE of their mission field in order to protect their families from the influence of the world, many homeschool and have additional community to build each other up in the faith and to be reinvigorated for their missionary work. They serve parishioners who are in various journeys in the faith, and even though they serve at a Catholic Church, many parishioners are of and in the world.
Yes, God led me to the path of homeschooling (when it was never ever in my plans) but His direction is so loud and clear, I don't see any other way.
I homeschooled all 3 of my sons and the oldest was just ordained in the traditional rite. Impossible to save your souls today staying in the Novus Ordo church.
Amen brother.
Thank you for this interview! I’m halfway through his book and I’m loving this idea. The secular Overton Window is a circus tent. Keeping our children among wolves is sacrificing the future of Christianity
I appreciate that he didn’t forget the unmarried childless who may feel out of place in such a community. I don’t think I’m called to the consecrated life but I would love to live and contribute to a Christian community.
This is so clear... Down to earth... And true it's scary, knowing that there is no way I could do what needs to be done. Only with the Grace of God can I advice the strength, wisdom and diligence. Sooo scary. Yet it is in the scripture the woman (the Church) will flee to the desert in hiding. I guess it's time
Bishop Robbert Barron during the St.Benedict episode in his Pivotal Players series ask if we might be on the cusp of another Benedict moment. A moment when the church really hunkers down and studies and stabilize in order to be able to go out and evangelize.
@Hold Fast right. Cause he's a heretic correct?
@Hold Fast heretic is not a name, it's an adjective. And he doesn't need to be evangelized. When it comes the Catholic faith he is one of the most solid guys.
@Hold Fast I really don't know why you gave an initial reply if you're not willing to engage.
Matter of fact this video made me go back and review some of my Word on Fire St.Benedict material.
@Hold Fast what's your point?
Cause right now you're comming across as a protestant.
@BVale he is luke warm when his audience isn't Catholic. Not to mention he has been hanging around with James Martin lately. I have my suspicions about Barron.
Great book..good advice.
Rod Dreher is a good author, and The Benedict Option inspiring and illuminating!
Rod is ex-Catholic who left after the pedophile scandales.
As with anything we need to consider whether our actions are moving us closer to God and His will, or away from it. Some are called to live their lives as witness to the Gospel in a world that may not accept it. Others are called more to the internal search for God. It’s important to act with charity and faith no matter where the Holy Spirit guides us.
Excellent in every aspect. It is the answer to our times and the corruption of those in Hierarchy,
FYI: Not everyone can homeschool.
Don't take it personally. Homeschooling generally is objectively better
Well the other option is public school where sexual predators are teachers, gang violence, prostitution, drugs, and mass shootings are a regular event.
I know a lot of homeschooled kids from good Catholic families that are atheist now.
I grew up homeschooled, went to an orthodox Catholic school, then went to a Catholic college. After we got married, my husband started working at a public school.
My takeaway, after seeing all three pretty close up, is that the best educational option is what's going to work for your family. Full stop.
That is true, but many people who think they can't actually can. In all my years of homeschooling God provided for our family in financial ways and also in ways to give me the strength and patience to be my kids homeschool mom. I give all glory to God. I am not going to say everyone should or everyone can because I know that is not true and it's not fair. But I do believe very much that many people who think they can't actually can if they allow God to work in that way. I think it should atleast be something all parents pray about and ask God for wisdom, discernment and help and direction!!
Henry David Thoreau went to Walden Pond for a year so that he might live deliberately. Throughout history, men have gone off into isolation for a time so that they could find themselves, get back in tune with things, and return stronger. Even today, we see vestiges of this in how men often like "alone time" where they don't want to talk to anyone for an hour after they get off from work.
As for the idea that children can be "missionaries" to the public schools, that's just a huge sin. Sorry, no two ways around that. That's probably one of the biggest and worst sins I can imagine. It's based in laziness of the parents, but also in cowardice, too. As the old saying goes, "Never send a boy to do a man's job." Well, what is a boy but someone who hasn't yet grown and learned enough about the world to handle it on their own? Why would you expect them to lead by example when they can barely keep their own head on straight? Why would you think they are somehow capable of going up against college graduates and deviants with decades of experience? I call this the "Harry Potter Fallacy" because too often I see adults who honestly think kids can go up against the world and be okay. No. Stop. Kids are in no way capable of besting people who have decades more education and life experience, never mind the resources that adults can bring to bear.
But, parents can be lazy and happy to take the easy way out when they can come up with a justification for it.
I send my kid to public school. It's not to be a missionary, it's because that school is the best option in our area.
My husband works as a public school administrator. He does see what he does more or less like being a missionary.
I have seen countless of former catholics that lost their faith very quickly after their parents kept them away from the opposing ideas for several years.
Because of that it's hard for me to see homeschooling as a good alternative.
What I'm sure about(regardless if homeschooling is a good choice or not) is that the Church have to adapt the evangelization methods for the current world.
I have the feeling that most former catholics were afraid to ask the _difficult questions_ to qualified teologians and they ended looking for the answers in other places. Where they ended receiving unsatisfying answers from their parents(that were not well prepared) and defamatory propaganda from elsewhere.
I think they should have spaces to ask those questions and also most Catholics should know how to respond to those issues. Putting them under the rug is no longer an option. Remember 1 Peter 3:15
"ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you"
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In my homeschool of 22 years we openly talk about all sorts of things. Most children in homeschools are not kept to isolated ideas, infact in my years of experience most homeschool kids are exposed to more ideas than those in the public school. It is a HUGE myth that people have with homeschool kids. That they are socially isolated and that they are isolated in terms of learning. It's just simply not true. Most families are able to have all sorts of conversations regarding faith, the world, politics. Many homeschool families embrace this. They don't shy away from talking about tough stuff. That is something you see more in a classroom not in a home. Homeschool allows better these conversations to come up and to be talked about.
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Perhaps what is meant here is “tend to your own garden”. What is meant by that is not apathy. It’s the state of mind you rationally resolve to when you have tried your best. Like Jordan Peterson says, don’t devalue your own words. But what it shouldn’t be is apathy. Don’t stop voting. Don’t stop offering your opinion, even if not asked for. So many are too timid to speak, but when you do, it emboldens them. Don’t stop tending your own garden because everyone else’s has gone to weeds. It’s not a hard and fast rule, because life is variable.
I would be very interested in being part of such. I think many would.
You should know that in India there's a large village that decided that they want to embrace the Sanskrit language and culture and that's what they did. It's a thoroughly modern village and people drive cars and motorcycles and whatnot but they all speak Sanskrit this supposedly dead language from another era. Even the youngsters in their fashionable clothes speak to one another and date one another in Sanskrit.
How about traditionalist Catholics do the same? Not only create unique Catholic towns (there is one in Florida) but also an intense Catholic culture so deeply rooted in the faith that they actually make Latin the language of the town. What could be better than a close knit Latin speaking town where the kids are raised in a wholesome Catholic environment?
Out of curiosity- What is the Catholic town in Flordia ?
What would be better? Learning acient Aramaic and accient Hebrew; the two languages that Jesus would have actually spoke while walking on Earth.
@@Sandib1983 maybe ave maria outside Naples. But I think it’s mixed with traditionalist and novus ordo Catholics.
@@mariepaukowits1709 I figured that was was the town that was being referred to, but wanted to double check. Thanks for the reply :)
@@Sandib1983 Ave Maria.
Of course you don't have to be Catholic to live there, that wouldn't be allowed constitutionally. But it is a town intentionally built for Catholic society and culture with a cathedral at its center.
It amazes me the way so many people wrongly interpret the Benedict Option. Just shows you people hear what they want to hear.
You're hitting home runs, Brian.
I've heard evangelizatio so much when its clear that catechesis is absolutely the number one problem.
Great video but how can you say "corrupt" might be a little bit strong when every institution has been shown to be corrupt? That is exactly what is wrong corruption
The world is not well especially in the name of "inclusion" we are allowing terrible behavior to be accepted and even celebrated. That is why we are moving from the US.
I agree with him that traditionalist is a label, I would add that is a label that was imposed to us as a way to outcast us from the main stream modernism of the today CC. Also is a dismissed way to call us traditionalists. I was thinking a lot about this because I became " traditionalist" because of Covid for the simple fact that those churches didn't close the doors and those orders continued celebrating masses while my church in my town closed it. It is like open your eyes, but then I understood that modern Catholics have a lot of prejudices out of ignorance to the Catholics who stick to the LM, so I tell my friends who are still in the Modern church and new church, because the Novus Ordo is very new, against the old who has been for 1900 shh around and got us here, anyway, I discovered that people think that " traditionalist " are bigots or crazy.or fanatic, and that is the key to understand them, why their reserves, so now I'm bringing people to the " traditional " side and explain to them the mass and how they have to see the mass. I don't impose it, they just come.to us because they are tired of so mambo jumbo in the NO, their priest now follow all the gov directions, they make the people pray for Ukraine and for Covid, you confess and after the absolution the priest asked you to pray for Ukraine, so are we taking sides now?. Or it is that the church is being used as a political globalist weapon?
Brian, your co-presenter's assertion: "Evangelism by procreation", requires union as union requires procreation in covenant, non-presumed reciprocity.
Pope Francis in correcting his Jesuit Order's error demonstrates keeping or allowing inseparability and qualitative equality of procreation and union in marriage whether vowed to Christ of consecrated celibacy such as of the Jesuit, Pope Francis, or vowed to God as of consecrated male female couples.
Benedictine practice in Downside Abbey, UK, in education in sexuality and true love within the family is evident in Fr Martin Salmon osb's letter to me, dated 30 October 1994, practicing the cardinal virtue of "Prudence" (CCC, 1806) by pointing out the inseparability and equality in quantity and quality of consecrated celibate marriage vowed in Christ "dispensable by man" and male female marriage vowed in God "dispensable only by God".
This exercise of prudence corrected Jesuit injustice, lack of humility and intellectual bias in St Ignatius of Loyola's "Rules for Thinking about the Church" in his "Spiritual Exercises", n.356 (translator Louis J. Puhl sj, Newman Press, 1951) that "matrimony ought not be praised as highly as religious life, virginity and continency".
This correction is evident in a Jesuit, Pope Francis', simultaneous authorisations c. 10 June 2021 with absolute power of applications with 100% accuracy by his Vatican State Secretariat of State of observation measurement terms for:
(a) ensuring procreation charity donation gifts by helpers of the family;
(b) insuring need of union of identities of family members
in the cases respectively of:
1. alleged embezzlement by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others (presently been heard in the Vatican State civil court);
2. alleged unacceptable risk of fraud by passing of the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill before the Italian Parliament (defeated in early November 2021).
Family home shepherding from union is masqueraded as “Catholic Homesteading” Brian Sheard’s “evangelism by procreation”.
It is “the family [home that] can and must require from … [its helpers their] respect for those rights [they consider to be their rights] which in saving the family, will save society itself” (CL, 1988, 40), which “rights” are simultaneously:
1. to have “require[d of them this] … respect” (CL, 40);
2. “to make the family aware of its identity … and its role …” (CL, 40).
Pope Francis is a reference point, through both advice and example, of valid and proper marriage in his simultaneous authorisation c. 10 June 2021 with an absolute power of his Vatican State Secretariat of State’s applications with 100% accuracy of observation measurement terms for requiring this respect by ensuring protection from embezzlement procreation gift charity donations within the family by Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine others and insuring protection from unacceptable risk of fraud family member identities’ union by the Italian Parliament passing the “Zan” anti-homophobia bill.
How do you raise your kids this way without leaving them completely naieve and vulnerable? I went to a Catholic college and saw several kids raised this way basically eaten alive. How do you strike that balance?
Make sure to send them to a truly Catholic College. There are still a few out there. '
The word "Catholic" in the name does not mean it is so. Especially right now.
I went to a college on the Newman list (is that still a thing?). Still ended up seeing this. I'm not sure that's the answer, because a college can check all the right boxes and still give someone an awful experience.
First off, the command of Matthew 28 can still be obeyed by overtly evangelizing within the community and anywhere outside of the community. Retreating to community and evangelization are not mutually exclusive. Being a "sent one" doesn't define where we are being sent. Notwithstanding God's direct leading to an individual, I would argue that Western society should be our target to evangelize, we don't have to go to Asia or Africa to be a missionary. Secondly, it's been my personal experience that those who claim that we're abandoning the Matthew 28 command by retreating to community are frequently those who never evangelize themselves. My frame of reference is non-denominational independent churches, but the percentage of regular attendees of any given local assembly who actively evangelizes with any frequency at all is extremely low; I wouldn't feel out of line estimating it to be less than 2%. So, I'm hopeful we can finally put to rest the whole idea that evangelism is hindered by believers retreating to community. It's a specious argument and one that I feel has little value within an honest and cogent dialog about the retreat of believers to community.
The author of the Benedict Option joined the Orthodox Church.
I feel like you should almost write that the other way around: A member of the Orthodox Church wrote the Benedict Option.
Circle the wagons when the attack is underway...
Honestly I feel like I'm suffercating in the diabolical multicultural society I'm living in, where could Christians form a closed off community? Seriously
Getting a little culty here lol
EDIT: Which I fully support!
Withdraw from mainstream society and build communities where children may be raised in an authentic Catholic culture free from secular influences? Klaus Schwab says "Nein!"
This guy is dressed for very cold weather isn't he?
What if your small rural Catholic Church consists of parishioners who find voting for pro-abortion political candidates perfectly acceptable?
What should I do in this community?
Participate in what you can, and try to form pro-life ministry that helps women in crisis. That's one side of it that both can agree on.
Move to Steubenville??
That happened in my old county too:-(
The Benedict Option? Isn’t that just Orthodoxy haha
I won't lie, this Benedict Option is giving me some serious FLDS vibes. Best case scenario, you found a religious town, get a little judgy, burn a few witches, and your children/grandchildren turn their backs on the Church within your lifetime because of it (see Puritans). Worst case scenario (more likely), you become a fundamentalist compound that gets raided by the ATF/FBI for crimes against humanity.
But seriously, the Church's example here shouldn't be Abraham or Lot so much as it should be Philemon; whether slave or freeman, we're sent back out into the world as it is for the sake of one another, and it is for one another that we continue on in this world when it might be better for us to leave and be with God (Philippians 1:21-26).
As for the "flesh pots" of our modern world: "No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it." (1 Corinthians 10:13)
I have mixed feelings. I can see the need for supportive community, but I agree hunkering down comes with its own serious pitfalls.
Benedict has left his seat empty I am convinced more and more and does not consider Bergoglio his successor. He has an impeded see according to canon 412 and is unable to communicate. He has simply left the seat empty until it can be validly be filled again without threat.
Weak.