Watch our CPU sales volume recap of AMD & Intel sales volume per month here: th-cam.com/video/l3Z7SG3R-A0/w-d-xo.html Watch our Best CPUs of 2019 round-up: th-cam.com/video/5RjS3AhDyJg/w-d-xo.html Edit: Sent AMD an email asking for confirmation on the Zen generation and they replied: AMD noted to us that it mistakenly called it a Zen+ part in some media briefings, but clarified that it is actually Zen1. That's why different media had different reporting on generation. Seems like a mixup by AMD in early briefings, but glad it's cleared up. The good news is that this doesn't change performance results, of course.
In addition to the 14nm process, I think that the fact that it doesn't work on X570 (like Ryzen 1000 parts) suggests to me that the Athlon is Zen not Zen+.
Steve could you do a video on setting up a dedicated streaming PC that uses CPU for encoding? Cover the different quality settings in encoding in OBS to get an idea of what the minimum CPU requirements for encoding at different quality/bitrate settings? Serious streamers use dedicated streaming PC's and there is confusion as to how fast of CPU is really needed.
This thing costs the same as a Celeron here, but it has a much faster iGPU, has 4 threads and not 2, is OCable and tweakable, supports AVX (something even the Pentium does not)... Honestly, this is a slaughter.
The real slaughter is that you can get Ryzen 1600s and 2600s for only $60-80... I've never really seen the point in these low end parts for gaming rigs when you can buy used hardware at way better value...
@@Dracossaint I mean these are super low end. Someone with some sense probably realized pretty quick it wasn't worth the damn effort for something that has a few dollars of margin ;p
@@devilmikey00 aye, they also tried battling people flashing 480 to 580s and vega 56 to 64 power tables/flashing. they tried to address it with this gen as well. But just like thouse examples, people figured a way around it once and they said screw it XD. Its not worth fighting that nieche and like ya said good publicity . Theirs also the fact some people do that stuff because their not gonna buy x this eitheir way and who knows maybe theyll break it earlier then normal and be forced to buy another one anyway.
Dude, my 2200g actaully makes pretty good use of my Titan Xp, and yeah, at 1080p... it’s laughably good compared to what I expected (running a 240Hz 1080p monitor with the Titan Xp Star Wars collectors edition overclocked beyond 13 GHz Vram and custom curve on the core overclock, power limit to max and bouncing off that limit but around 2 GHz or just above depending on the game on 3840 CUDA cores so like 10% faster than a 1080ti overclocked or 2080 overclocked. Not bad for a 4 threaded CPU that costs $59 new recently if you lived near a Microcenter. I was blown away! It only uses like 70% of the overclocked Titan on Fortnite for example (it’s like 165 fps at epic maxed out settings, so 1440p 165 Hz would be just about perfect, though you probably want to ramp it up to 2080ti just for that bump since it should just be GPU bound or a bit of a toss up for the 2200g at 4 GHz). It was supposed to be almost a joke (well at first just doing a CPU benchmark run to gauge its performance), but then it did so well I just added everything RGB to say “RGB makes it go faster!”, so now it’s on an RGB ringlight cooler (from Ryzen 1700), the X370 board has RGB, and I have 2x RGB SSDs, and I just bought some TridentZ NEO RGB RAM, lol, the carnival is back in town baby! Woo! Oh yeah, the stupid Titan only does red (unless you got the Jedi order edition, in which case green, I wanted SLI to “bring balance to the GeForce”, but it was before I had a high paying job). Don’t fret, my main system is Threadripper with quad Xfire for 4k Ultra gaming (it’s over double the FPS of the Titan, I think it’s about a tie with 2x Titan RTX which is the best unfortunately you can get from Nvidia, and I’m using laughably old quad Fury, but it actually runs 4k nicely for dirt cheap, lol, 100 fps in Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra, haha! Mind blowing performance, can’t complain since I basically only have a use for the Titan in Fortnite and SWBF2 lootcrate edition (because it’s a Star Wars card it’s just more fun for the novelty in a Star Wars game).
Louis Garbour it’s ok, I’m fine (testing Ryzen tri-core at the moment, no SMT), this is normal, haha! Im seeing 497cb R15 with 3c/3t at 4.35 GHz, so not bad! It’s way faster than my old laptops, that’s for sure. I may test game performance later because I saw some mind blowing results earlier today. I saw a HUGE uplift from 170 fps to 190 fps disabling SMT in Fortnite from 8c/16t to 8c/8t, but stupid amounts of stutters if you use Shadowplay to record with only 8 threads, I was getting 1% lows of 1.1 fps! So basically 1 second per frame, and 0.3 fps for the 0.1% lows! Prior config with hyperthreading/SMT was indeed lower avg but it kept a respectable ~80 fps on the 1% lows, that’s huge! So from my testing the extra threads dramatically improved gameplay even though the game didn’t quite know what to do with them resulting in lower frame rate but MUCH improved frame drops. Tested with Ryzen 1700 on sub-zero cooling at 4.2 GHz with SMT and 4.25 GHz without (not a substantial difference), with 2133-12-12-12 Trident Z NEO 3600cl16 (on ambient the best I got was 3200cl16 and then it became a $hitfest trying to boot at -60c and I was lucky to get even 2133 MHz to work, haha!). Anyways I’m weird, and I like testing random stuff all the time, haha! Also noticed power efficiency only improved 12% at 70c lower temps, I’m kind of surprised because FX saw massive 35% efficiency gains (500w estimate down to 350w) while Ryzen was only like 130w reduced to 115w. But anyways, random learnings of the day after hours of benching and most of the day testing for fun, haha!
Sina Madani 8k yes, but 4k Id probably bump it up to 2200g or FX-8350 (technically yes, the CPU would be overkill then, as in my testing at 4k with a Titan Xp and FX-8350 stock/underclocked to 4 GHz it looked like most of my games the FX could handle duel Titan Xp/duel 1080ti). But the 2200g is just so close in cost (they were recently $59 new in the US), that I’d just go with that instead of the Athlon for running a $1300+ GPU and 4k/8k setup, but yeah, you really could be fine even on an overclocked Athlon! Right now graphics cards are embarrassingly behind the performance curve needed for high resolutions, and it’s only worse when Nvidia gimps the best to duel Titan RTX (probably not any improvement over my old 2015 quad Fury, coming in at less than 1/10 the price currently!). At this current time you must use multi-GPU to get 60 fps at high/ultra settings at 4k (and if you’re using low/medium, I’d rather run 1440p high refresh rates, 4k is all about the graphical fidelity).
I love seeing how far AMD is pushing APU solutions. I want a competitive APU space since i usually build mid-low tier systems and saving money, space, and heat off a GPU would be so dope
@@MrComputerCoder It will increase the price, but it definitely isn't impractical. APUs are bandwidth starved, that's the main reason why they are so slow. If there is HBM on APUs they will have much more bandwidth and thus much more performance
You could build a desktop with this for about $200. Wish this thing existed when i was in highschool, gaming off an AMD A8 laptop cooled with orange juice bottles
Bro, everyone knows the real meta move is rotating popsicles for a cold-air intake. Jokes aside, glad I'm not the only one who tried to squeeze performance from nothing.
Pushing hardware beyond what it was really meant to do was always fun, until the VRAM on the (low end) GPU fried. Then the motherboard died. Then the RAM developed an issue. I wanted to play with SM3.0, damnit.
Ugh, sucks in Texas cause it’s like $3+/liter (Airgas wanted $177 for a regular 30L dewar, Tri-gas was $95 and so even delivered to your door way out of service range was still cheaper), damn, was going to do some LN2 benching on my 2200g (delided and pretty epic golden sample), but at that price I’ll just build an LN2 generator or speed up my triple stage cascade plans! Was going to test with LN2 today, because the plan is to cool the TR-64 core to -100c as my next daily machine, you know, 24/7 capable with less maintenance than a waterloop). That I anticipate would only cost $500 DIY (using used compressors) for normal processors and I’m expecting $3k cost since I’m having to make a custom CNC machined expansion block for TR4 socket since it doesn’t exist and using massive compressors it won’t even sweat it while cooling over 1kW heat load (yeah, I really need to figure out if a 128 core is coming, because if not I could greatly reduce compressor costs and improve efficiency).
I know that the joke is that it runs cool, but let me anecdotally say how cool it runs. With the CPU, GPU, AND SoC voltages all set to as high as my B450M PRO will let me, it barely hits 60°C on sustained stress tests. That's with the cooler that comes in the box. If you're lucky, that means 4GHz CPU and 1700MHz GPU, that seems like the most anyone is able to get. 2c/4t@4GHz Zen 1 for $49 is a deal when the Vega 3@1700MHzis thrown in. Granted I haven't seen it for the MSRP of $49, I've only seen it as low as $55. But as Steve says Intel isn't competing with it anyway. But do keep an eye on G5400 prices in case they ever come down to a similar price.
@@superacidi You dont need a decent psu for this cpu. Hell it could probably run off a couple off triple As that you dad keeps buying when you assk for double As
So things that haven't been relevant in low end gaming for awhile now? Looking locally the only i3 I can even buy is the 9100F. It's a quad core but it is more expensive ($79.99). If you are picking up a dual core i3 or even a late pentium branded chip hopefully it's for free out of a scrap pile. Certainly wouldn't pay for it lol.
@@willembeltman if you were paying attention to was replying to a guy comparing it to dual core i3s which aren't anything someone would buy or that stores even stock.
On super budget chips can you run 2 more tests. 1. A nas test. Throw in gigabit ethernet and every last bit of SATA ports need to be filled with ssd's. How much sustained throughput can you achieve? And 2. A pfsense/router/firewall test where you try to max out connections between 2 test computers to try to find the max users/torrents/spyware that the chip can handle. Maybe bring Wendell back to help along with linus' 32gamers 1 cpu rig.
I was considering this for a nas build, I already have the HDDs, case and psu, I just need a ssd boot drive ($20) RAM (8gb 3000 mhz for $33) and a mobo ($60). I would be nice to see testing transfer speeds through gigabit but I guess in this case the bottleneck would be the HDD?
What came of your nas build? My FM2+ media Pc needs to be retired. ( AMD video drivers on linux) Thinking of using this for nas, but its TDP is a bit high. The 240ge looks really good, but 2400g/3400g have more support options, and the 300g seems middle of the road.
In 1997 I was making $40-$60 a week while in high school, I would have totally purchased this to do SOME gaming until I could buy a dedicated GPU. This APU makes the difference between gaming in a couple of months versus a year or so. I wouldn't even think about buying this these days though it is awesome for the people in that kind of financial scenario. Thanks for posting.
Athlon 3000G + 2080ti, now thats a bottleneck and a half right there :D Glad to see you still give attention to even the cheapest options out there, good work !
It's amazing how close the performance is to the TR 1950X, which was at one point $1000, and also factoring in that this includes a GPU as well! Would've been interesting to see the gaming performance on older games though and what the dGPU equivalent is (from about 7 years ago)
For anyone laughing at this, I have an Athlon 200GE tiny computer, and it is faster than a normal 4-core Phenom II for most things, while providing new features (NVMe m.2, AES-NI, etc.) and consuming way less power. They make great bedroom computer, or a little Unix box. Everything is relative. It's amazing how much you can get for so little money.
@@rodrigofilho1996 This is very strange. On my Lenovo Tiny (M715q), NVMe slot will only have half the lanes (PCIe gen.3 x2) when using 200GE (as opposed to x4 lanes with 2200GE/2400GE). Not really a problem for me, though. I have Samsung 970PRO 512GB in there (LOL) working just fine. I suppose it's possible AMD dedicated more PCIe lanes to graphics inside 3000G and left the NGFF lanes unconnected. _shrug_
As a person rocking with a Athlon X4 845, I appreciate this reviews quite a bit. I haven't been part of the Graphics arms race for a while, so such bottom tier CPUs ended up being useful for the work and games I actually use without breaking the bank. I planned to do drawing and video editing with my current box, but I was very constrained on money and could not really afford the latest and greatest. Stuff like the Athlon line allowed me to get my foot in the door, and it makes me happy each time I boot the thing up.
That $50 CPU is what actually casual people need. Just some Chrome, no need for additional GPU, power efficient. Not everyone games, Not everyone overclock. So these chips with Integrated GPUs are better for small time casual, office ( non heavy, non time bound ) productivity. Probably the reason I still have a i3 - 3210 and haven't upgraded it till date. It still works fine for home use, small spreadsheet tasks and so on.
I have an i3-2100 and am upgrading to the 3000G because it's 5 times better, literally. I could've upgraded the 2100 system with more ram and a cheap ssd but either way it's very much on its last leg and I can get years out of a 3000G with my "workflow".
would love to see one of these small ones with like 10 NAVI CU's, 3 is just ridiculous but slap more CU's in and you have a very capable machine for us people that love older games and are able to run at 1080p
In case you don't know there are the 2200g (4C/4T/8CU) and 2400g (4C/8T/11CU) and their refresh 3200g and 3400g. The 2000 series tend to be sold out these days but can sometimes be had with a good discount or used.
@@wawagabriel they are with VEGA not NAVI ;-) still waiting for the 7nm APU to pop up... maybe next year we will get em with some NAVI inside, just a shame they are so behind
@@LiLBitsDK the rumour for the 4000 series apus is they're 7nm with a hybrid vega gpu portion using part of the display engine from navi, but in terms of performance it's still ultimately vega.
Brad Haines a lot of times the names that sub genres under EDM don’t have anything to do with the style of song itself For example Synth wave isn’t made using a wave of synths or even with synths. It’s just a name that everyone universally agreed on.
@@bradhaines3142 Crabcore is a move some metalcore guitarists did live and in music videos back in the late 2000's where they bent down really low with their guitar while playing breakdowns (resembling a crab) and headbanged. It's not so much a genre but a joke. Attack Attack, Asking Alexandria, I See Stars, and Abandon All Ships notably used the move. Crabcore is closely associated with bands that incorporated synth keyboards or or EDM/techno bits in their songs.
It would interesting to see a complete budget build, meant for lighter stuff like media player, or something simple like that. Like was mentioned in the video, it isn't just about people not having the money to spend, but for simple solutions, there might be more price worthy solutions that makes a bigger budget a waste of money. A seasonal ultrabudget build could fit that niche, just as a seasonal "latest intel gen gaming build" would do for it's purpose.
This thing performs way above expectation honesly. Perfect for people who play mostly older games, free to plays and the low end on steam. I mean, if you can't splash for a upgrade to a 1600 you won't be buying tripple a games at launch anyway with their insane cost structure nowdays. Good stuff.
This helps A LOT! I might actually build 3 different PCs with this CPU for my 3 Daughters as a start PC with a DGPU. Thank you, GN!!!! (ALSO... We need a Vid with you OCing this thing to it's max on both Liquid cooling and LN. Especially LN. Why? Because why not? :D )
Probably the better alternative would be a r3 1200, where I'm located at it's 47euros for a brand new 1200 and it's basically the same performance as the 3000G, maybe even better in some cases because of 4 cores/4 threads.
@@cm01 My school got these HP Probook x360 11 G2 EE 2-in-1 laptops. Intel Core i5-7y54, Intel HD 615 graphics, 128 GB Sata M.2 SSD, and8GBs of RAM. And that's for the whole Middle school _and_ high school. I think they lease from HP for reduced price? IDK. Sadly, they _are_ passively cooled, so thermal throttle land.
On the charts there are like almost 20 different CPU's (stock and overclocked), but most are not in the same price class. Would be great to compare it with an Intel Pentium Gold... ...and slaughter it.
I think it can be used to show that a $50 piece is running at 50% the performance of say the 9900k, which is $500. It demonstrates that (when graphics are no limitation) the 3000g will be half as good for 1/10 of the price. It shows that your not losing much of anything considering the price which I think is a good metric to show.
Really cool video! Awesome option for home theater builds! Also, could be a great option for people that want to buy a computer now, and upgrade down the road!
I put one on a itx motherboard with graphics built in, then threw it in an ammo box as a "faraday PC" build. With a small touch screen, and keyboard/touch pad combo. It all fits inside with no holes on the outside. The intake is behind the screen and the PSU is the outlet, I'm running Linux pop ATM but eventually it going kodazhi soon.
@@themasterofdisaster1 system logs are always useful. my approach while using r7 1700 was: 1. Get a mobo that supports booting into the os without needing a graphics solution. 2. Plug in a gfx card. It was 1060 for me. Fine tune the system to your needs. openssl created some sort of kernel panics that weren't getting logged when I initially migrated the system from Intel. 3. Thoroughly test(stress test) the system for a month without rebooting. 4. Monitor the logs. 5. Set up necessary health/error notification scripts. Test them. 6. Remove the gpu. Monitor the system for a while again. If everything is going great, then everything is going great. That's how I was running a NAS/squid/hostapd wifi5(ac) ap/bandwidth aggregator using 2 additional 4g lte x9 modem (old)phones/h265 encoder. If you want to splurge, then you can have a mobo with ipmi.
Well considering how many games aren’t cpu bound, it’s a good idea to invest in a graphics card and mobo that can expand, and get a cheap cpu that’s slower and upgrade down the line. You won’t be disappointed with a ry3. Later down the line you might find you need more horse power in the cpu department, well look, you already have a good mother board and gpu, no need to worry about an expensive item, and you don’t have to worry about the mobo dying or it killing your graphics card because you know it’s a quality board.
Currently thinking about getting either a Pentium G5420 or a 3000G. They cost exactly the same here and the motherboards i've considered is available for both at similar prices. I need a complete build that looks nice or atleast decent, as cheap as possible, as it's just for casemods for "show", basically. Been waiting for 3000G reviews, as going with Ryzen gives me a chance to work with the AM4 platform for the first time and upgradeability. Gonna pair it with 16GB ram and possibly an RX 570/580, so being able to upgrade to something like a Ryzen 2600 later on, could make it quite a decent budget machine for productivity and maybe a bit of gaming. Thank you, Tech Jesus!
I have one (on an ASRock ITX motherboard, in a small Silverstone case), and I just LOVE this thing. It works perfect in simple, light, casual computer usage. In fact, it works as smoothly as my R7 3700X/RTX 2060 Super in all that; no stuttering, no lag, not anything whatsoever. I love this thing. :))))
Now I want a comparison between the iGPU with overclocks for all the zen APUs, Intel and maybe even one of the older AMD APUs. 3400G, 3000G, 2200G, 200GE, A12 9800 (which exists on AM4 w/ DDR4 for a nice comparison) etc.. :)
The problem with saying, "For just $X more...." is that there's not an end to it. Figure out your budget, prioritize performance over aesthetics, and make sure you leave yourself an upgrade path. Sometimes, you have to go with the $500-$100 CPU. Sometimes, you have to go with a $100-140 GPU. Worse case scenario (if you can't wait till your budget is bigger) is that any extra old parts from an upgrade can go towards a media PC. From there you can choose to use it in your own home or give it to someone might need it for school work or whatever.
When Robert Hallock was on PCWorld, he said it was Zen and not Zen+. On an APU like this, I would personnally overclock only the iGPU so it has the cleanest power possible available to overclock it, unless the iGPU is good enough that it becomes memory limited of course.
This is pretty great for ultra-budget PC's. AVX and that iGpu are a great addition for the money. I think this kind of CPU's are great for beginners. Let's say you don't know pretty much anything about debugging and etc (so you are scared to go the used parts route) and you conclude that you'll buy new parts but you are on a tight budget. What makes it so good is that you will probably be able to swap it for a Ryzen 5 2600 on the cheap side once you build enough confidence/knowledge. Pair it with a RX570/GTX1050Ti or something like that and you just got a cheap gaming rig that will play a lot of games on FullHD. Of course, no amazing FPS or any Ultra settings but hey! You will be able to play decent games, for a very low investment. Great review!👍
The r5 1600 and 2600 really is a blast for the money..im getting a $99 without cooler 2600 next week,not gonna bottleneck anything in 1080p75 for 3-4years to come
AMD has just made this class of part seriously useful. You can now build a handy box for $200 USD. And there is now a space for a new class of mobo/case etc - something like a cross between a laptop and NUC into which you install an APU, RAM, SSD and go. Tiny but capable of gaming, productivity etc. I'd buy a few. I'd take one everywhere to plug into TVs...
That new class already exists with things like the ASRock Deskmini A300. It's a whole computer, with replacable APU, RAM, NVMe M.2 SSD (x2!), all in a box smaller than my PSU. I built one for my dad, and he's super happy with it, even though he's a bit of a power-user for a 60 year old. Put a last-gen 2200G in his, works very well.
Love these little processors. Such great value and so many use cases. And for $50s. That's almost the cheapest part of the build for Christ sake. Amazing value. I costed the value of a Raspberry pi 4 with 4 gigs of ram, power supply, sdcard and one or two other bits and bobs and the total in euros was creeping towards the 300euro mark. I know which I'd rather have but I do love the single board compute concept. Just not enough horse power though and the pricing is becoming more and more difficult to justify as the hp isn't matching the price.
ARM is not great, even with the same horse power. And the SoC from the RPi4 was dead on arrival compared to Rockchip's one. The next Ryzen Embedded series should be interesting compared to those ARM single board computers.
@@PainterVierax Yea I had a Rockchip a couple years back and even then it was impressive. The Udoo Bolt V8 is an interesting bit of kit but, I can't justify the cost even though the 3000G and a SBC are aimed at different users and markets. But, like you I to am really looking forward to what AMD can do in the new year on the embedded SOC/SBC. A market that needs competition and hopefully AMD will do to that segment what they have done since 2017 i.e. give the consumer a choice at a fair price.
I do remember for about $7, I bought an AMD Phenom x4 9650 CPU which is 4 core and 4 thread, although much older, from early 2008. Still works well though for light gaming.
Yeah and it’s not like you can innovate Fan technology. You can upgrade parts on the fan, and redesign aspects of it. But when it comes down to it, a fan is a fan is a fan. As long as it pushes air it’s doing it’s job.
@@prescott231233 No, there's definitely room for innovation in fans. Just look at all the fine tuning that's been done so far to minimize noise, make the noise a much less irritating frequency, increase efficiency, optimizing for pressure or airflow, and guiding the vortex of air into a straighter line so that it can maintain pressure at greater distances. They're easy to underestimate, but the amount of engineering that goes into some of them is very impressive.
@@prescott231233 There's a lot more to fans than that. That's like saying jet engines can't be innovated because as long as they compress air & fuel to generate high pressure gas to drive a big fan on the front, they're doing their job. lol. Noctua fans genuinely do innovate. They cost a lot too, and probably aren't worth it to most people, but to claim they they don't actually innovate is bullshit. They don't innovate in pricing, sure, but in technology they do.
@@Mythricia1988 I'd like to meet a person who sais noctua is noth worth the money when they hold one of there 120mm flagship fans in there hand. Everything from unboxing, over the weight and feel of the fan in hand, to the noise and performance in a system (no matter if as rad or case fan) just screams quality. I usually build with be quiet sw3 for black builds or noiseblocker eloop for white builds, and while they are nice, they dont reach the feel of noctua. Even have some gentle typhoons here, that still work great, but not still at noctua level :)
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Oh I'm a fan myself (pun intended), I have 8 Noctua fans in my current O-11 Air build. 3x NF-A12 in top radiator, 3x NF-A12 in side rad, and 2x NF-S12A's in the front. I love these things. But I do think it's fair to say that for the average gamer, they actually don't care at all - it's way more money for a quality increase that is too small to matter for them.
Is 4GHz the max? I was hoping you'd overclock it as far as possible. Maybe even try some liquid nitrogen cooling to see what kind of benchmarks you could get from it.
According to UserBenchmark, the Athlon 3000G appears to be on par in performance with Intel's Core i03-4170 from the Haswell Era, though the additional features provided in the Zen+ architecture make it an ideal choice over the 4150 to 4170 any day of the year, especially at its price point; from what I've been able to gather, this is an APU that is aimed at the markets of Public Schools, Local Libraries, and Public Office Buildings, a demographic that Intel thrived in for many years when Athlon was an afterthought, which is where AMD is trying to gain investors in with this option, it's a smart move on AMD's part and makes this an ideal resource to last students deep into the end of the Windows 0I0. Video Game Emulators and Workstation tasks are where the Athlon 3000G shows its true colours: You will be able to play most titles from Generation 0I to VI of gaming on this (barring many Gamecube titles in Dolphin, that emulator loves high thread counts), and if this performs as powerfully as my Intel 4160 did from Christmas Eve of 20I5 to December 0I0 of 20I8, then very likely you will be able to pump out any project in Vegas Pro in Standard Definition (0854x0480 and I280x0480) with ease, you will need at least an RX 5300 from AMD or a GTX 1660 from Nvidia to truly get any real Standard HD (0720p) or Super HD (I080p) workloads done in the modern era but it is something to keep in mind if you are using Athlon 3000G as a holdover until you can get a Ryzen chip that suits your intended use case; the incompatibility with X570 will likely be dissipated with future Motherboard BIOS updates, at least one could hope, it is weird for AMD to lock out a new chip on a new series of motherboards with the same socket and I would be concerned if this is not addressed sooner or later.
all i want is to encode my 1080p youtube videos in at least 1:1 fps/speed instead of taking like 15x as long... never thought i would get to the point that encoding takes longer than uploading!
NVENC (1650Super and up) or AMD VCE (RX550 and up) would be way faster than any CPU if you need speed. I regularly use NVENC in Handbrake and at the SLOWEST setting it has (SLOW) it encodes x265 at 200fps+ at 720p and 130fps+ at 1080p. My 6-core ryzen can only do 30-50 on those settings. CPU looks better, yes, but not by much and GPU encoding is so much faster it's not even funny.
I suppose but my golden rule for grandmas computer is... It's going to be up to current standards even if she wont utilize it fully. SSD is a must because prices are dirty cheap these days and I'm the one who's going to be troubleshooting problems so I'm not waiting on an old as hard drive. 16GB of ram because chrome is eats ram faster than a fat kid eats candy on halloween. Wireless mouse&keyboard because I hate wires and they're very well made these days. Just about everything else doesn't matter and I'll cut cost on cpu&psu&motherboard&case only thing I might spend a bit more on is quality silent fans.
@@ghostrider2214 you're talking about your rare maintenance. That's important but your grandma won't use 16Gb since her usage of Chrome/FF won't be dozens of tabs and she would need to call you when the batteries of the mouse and keyboard are dead. Silent fans? depends if her audition is still good enough. After all, this CPU doesn't require a large airflow. Same with vision: a higher dot pitch monitor with a good view angle could be more comfortable for her.
@@PainterVierax My parents are old enough to be grandparents (well, they are grandparents, just not mine) - and my mother in particular has like 50 tabs open in Chrome every time I see her. You can't really assume by age that they are incapable of abusing their machine - old people more than anything are very capable of abusing their computer, because they don't know better. I think putting
Honestly this is a great cpu if you want to get it for a child or teenager for The holiday, or a birthday, if they have an interest in building computers, or as a project to work on with them! It’s only $50 and it delivers satisfying enough performance in Esports titles that they could feel genuinely good about themselves after they get it working! Edit: You don’t have to worry about breaking it or blowing it up because at the end of the day, it’s only $50 spent, and, you had a good learning experience!
It's a real shame that you didn't include the R3 1200 in the lineup, since that currently costs about exactly the same as the 3000G where I live, so it would've made for a nice comparison.
Love the data you provide and it helps to make purchase decisions. However, is there any way you can make it readable on mobile? These charts are so tiny that no detail can be seen on my iPhone XS when watching the video. Do we really need the top of the data on this chart to get the point or can you just enlarge and show the bottom half?
Interesting, but probably more relevant to the CPU's target market is whether or not it would starve or decently satisfy a budget GPU like an RX 570 or RX 480, or at most an RX 580, RX 5500 (when it's out) or 1650 Super.
I actually threw a Athlon 220GE in my parents new build and it's not necessarily about gaming but it's really worth the basic performance you get. It's the perfect old person machine who has had the same desktop since 2011 and this seems more of the same. I did buy a used RX 570 just in case I'd ever want to use it for something gaming related for mild titles.
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Edit: Sent AMD an email asking for confirmation on the Zen generation and they replied: AMD noted to us that it mistakenly called it a Zen+ part in some media briefings, but clarified that it is actually Zen1. That's why different media had different reporting on generation. Seems like a mixup by AMD in early briefings, but glad it's cleared up. The good news is that this doesn't change performance results, of course.
am i early?
No igp Ocing? This little igp can be overclocked over 1600mhz :-)
In addition to the 14nm process, I think that the fact that it doesn't work on X570 (like Ryzen 1000 parts) suggests to me that the Athlon is Zen not Zen+.
Steve could you do a video on setting up a dedicated streaming PC that uses CPU for encoding? Cover the different quality settings in encoding in OBS to get an idea of what the minimum CPU requirements for encoding at different quality/bitrate settings? Serious streamers use dedicated streaming PC's and there is confusion as to how fast of CPU is really needed.
>LowSpecAlex: am I a joke to you
This thing costs the same as a Celeron here, but it has a much faster iGPU, has 4 threads and not 2, is OCable and tweakable, supports AVX (something even the Pentium does not)...
Honestly, this is a slaughter.
Alexander Yordanov for the price, absolutely.
Don't forget superior upgrade path!
@@prescott231233 "For the price"? By what metric is it NOT a slaughter?
The real slaughter is that you can get Ryzen 1600s and 2600s for only $60-80... I've never really seen the point in these low end parts for gaming rigs when you can buy used hardware at way better value...
@@wewillrockyou1986 Because those don't have an IGPU and not every country has such low prices. That is why.
Funny how AMD took the Athlon 200GE overclock oversight by stride rather than try to lock it down on microcode updates or future processors.
They did try at first, but they said screw it after trying once
@@Dracossaint I mean these are super low end. Someone with some sense probably realized pretty quick it wasn't worth the damn effort for something that has a few dollars of margin ;p
It was probably cheaper to do it this way. Plus some free publicity.
@@devilmikey00 well u would think that would be what happens
but people with common sense are rare
@@devilmikey00 aye, they also tried battling people flashing 480 to 580s and vega 56 to 64 power tables/flashing. they tried to address it with this gen as well. But just like thouse examples, people figured a way around it once and they said screw it XD. Its not worth fighting that nieche and like ya said good publicity . Theirs also the fact some people do that stuff because their not gonna buy x this eitheir way and who knows maybe theyll break it earlier then normal and be forced to buy another one anyway.
Ah yes, Athlon 3000G paired with 2080Ti, my dream setup.
Dude, my 2200g actaully makes pretty good use of my Titan Xp, and yeah, at 1080p... it’s laughably good compared to what I expected (running a 240Hz 1080p monitor with the Titan Xp Star Wars collectors edition overclocked beyond 13 GHz Vram and custom curve on the core overclock, power limit to max and bouncing off that limit but around 2 GHz or just above depending on the game on 3840 CUDA cores so like 10% faster than a 1080ti overclocked or 2080 overclocked. Not bad for a 4 threaded CPU that costs $59 new recently if you lived near a Microcenter. I was blown away!
It only uses like 70% of the overclocked Titan on Fortnite for example (it’s like 165 fps at epic maxed out settings, so 1440p 165 Hz would be just about perfect, though you probably want to ramp it up to 2080ti just for that bump since it should just be GPU bound or a bit of a toss up for the 2200g at 4 GHz).
It was supposed to be almost a joke (well at first just doing a CPU benchmark run to gauge its performance), but then it did so well I just added everything RGB to say “RGB makes it go faster!”, so now it’s on an RGB ringlight cooler (from Ryzen 1700), the X370 board has RGB, and I have 2x RGB SSDs, and I just bought some TridentZ NEO RGB RAM, lol, the carnival is back in town baby! Woo! Oh yeah, the stupid Titan only does red (unless you got the Jedi order edition, in which case green, I wanted SLI to “bring balance to the GeForce”, but it was before I had a high paying job).
Don’t fret, my main system is Threadripper with quad Xfire for 4k Ultra gaming (it’s over double the FPS of the Titan, I think it’s about a tie with 2x Titan RTX which is the best unfortunately you can get from Nvidia, and I’m using laughably old quad Fury, but it actually runs 4k nicely for dirt cheap, lol, 100 fps in Crysis 3 at 4k Ultra, haha! Mind blowing performance, can’t complain since I basically only have a use for the Titan in Fortnite and SWBF2 lootcrate edition (because it’s a Star Wars card it’s just more fun for the novelty in a Star Wars game).
@@jakegarrett8109 that has got to be the weirdest flex I have ever seen.
Y-you ok dude?
Louis Garbour it’s ok, I’m fine (testing Ryzen tri-core at the moment, no SMT), this is normal, haha!
Im seeing 497cb R15 with 3c/3t at 4.35 GHz, so not bad! It’s way faster than my old laptops, that’s for sure. I may test game performance later because I saw some mind blowing results earlier today.
I saw a HUGE uplift from 170 fps to 190 fps disabling SMT in Fortnite from 8c/16t to 8c/8t, but stupid amounts of stutters if you use Shadowplay to record with only 8 threads, I was getting 1% lows of 1.1 fps! So basically 1 second per frame, and 0.3 fps for the 0.1% lows! Prior config with hyperthreading/SMT was indeed lower avg but it kept a respectable ~80 fps on the 1% lows, that’s huge! So from my testing the extra threads dramatically improved gameplay even though the game didn’t quite know what to do with them resulting in lower frame rate but MUCH improved frame drops. Tested with Ryzen 1700 on sub-zero cooling at 4.2 GHz with SMT and 4.25 GHz without (not a substantial difference), with 2133-12-12-12 Trident Z NEO 3600cl16 (on ambient the best I got was 3200cl16 and then it became a $hitfest trying to boot at -60c and I was lucky to get even 2133 MHz to work, haha!).
Anyways I’m weird, and I like testing random stuff all the time, haha! Also noticed power efficiency only improved 12% at 70c lower temps, I’m kind of surprised because FX saw massive 35% efficiency gains (500w estimate down to 350w) while Ryzen was only like 130w reduced to 115w. But anyways, random learnings of the day after hours of benching and most of the day testing for fun, haha!
It's a legit setup for 4K or 8K gaming
Sina Madani 8k yes, but 4k Id probably bump it up to 2200g or FX-8350 (technically yes, the CPU would be overkill then, as in my testing at 4k with a Titan Xp and FX-8350 stock/underclocked to 4 GHz it looked like most of my games the FX could handle duel Titan Xp/duel 1080ti). But the 2200g is just so close in cost (they were recently $59 new in the US), that I’d just go with that instead of the Athlon for running a $1300+ GPU and 4k/8k setup, but yeah, you really could be fine even on an overclocked Athlon!
Right now graphics cards are embarrassingly behind the performance curve needed for high resolutions, and it’s only worse when Nvidia gimps the best to duel Titan RTX (probably not any improvement over my old 2015 quad Fury, coming in at less than 1/10 the price currently!). At this current time you must use multi-GPU to get 60 fps at high/ultra settings at 4k (and if you’re using low/medium, I’d rather run 1440p high refresh rates, 4k is all about the graphical fidelity).
I love seeing how far AMD is pushing APU solutions. I want a competitive APU space since i usually build mid-low tier systems and saving money, space, and heat off a GPU would be so dope
Probably with ddr5. Until they finally add some hbm to their apu's.
@@dondraper4438 HBM on APUs will be amazing
@@KalmerVT But far to costly and impractical.
@@MrComputerCoder It will increase the price, but it definitely isn't impractical. APUs are bandwidth starved, that's the main reason why they are so slow. If there is HBM on APUs they will have much more bandwidth and thus much more performance
this wkth
You could build a desktop with this for about $200. Wish this thing existed when i was in highschool, gaming off an AMD A8 laptop cooled with orange juice bottles
Bro, everyone knows the real meta move is rotating popsicles for a cold-air intake.
Jokes aside, glad I'm not the only one who tried to squeeze performance from nothing.
SAME! Except I bought a laptop cooler pad 😂😂😂
@@YoMazR Yeah, I had a fan base that I was shoving said frozen stuff under to force the slightly cooler air up.
Pushing hardware beyond what it was really meant to do was always fun, until the VRAM on the (low end) GPU fried. Then the motherboard died. Then the RAM developed an issue.
I wanted to play with SM3.0, damnit.
I read the first sentence and my brain unconsciously followed it to "But I wanted to go all out, so I spent around $2000".
I love that you are so grounded, in touch and appreciate many have a low budget. Such great content
same
Needs LN2
I think ice water is enough for it to get over ghz
Ugh, sucks in Texas cause it’s like $3+/liter (Airgas wanted $177 for a regular 30L dewar, Tri-gas was $95 and so even delivered to your door way out of service range was still cheaper), damn, was going to do some LN2 benching on my 2200g (delided and pretty epic golden sample), but at that price I’ll just build an LN2 generator or speed up my triple stage cascade plans!
Was going to test with LN2 today, because the plan is to cool the TR-64 core to -100c as my next daily machine, you know, 24/7 capable with less maintenance than a waterloop). That I anticipate would only cost $500 DIY (using used compressors) for normal processors and I’m expecting $3k cost since I’m having to make a custom CNC machined expansion block for TR4 socket since it doesn’t exist and using massive compressors it won’t even sweat it while cooling over 1kW heat load (yeah, I really need to figure out if a 128 core is coming, because if not I could greatly reduce compressor costs and improve efficiency).
I know that the joke is that it runs cool, but let me anecdotally say how cool it runs. With the CPU, GPU, AND SoC voltages all set to as high as my B450M PRO will let me, it barely hits 60°C on sustained stress tests. That's with the cooler that comes in the box.
If you're lucky, that means 4GHz CPU and 1700MHz GPU, that seems like the most anyone is able to get. 2c/4t@4GHz Zen 1 for $49 is a deal when the Vega 3@1700MHzis thrown in. Granted I haven't seen it for the MSRP of $49, I've only seen it as low as $55. But as Steve says Intel isn't competing with it anyway. But do keep an eye on G5400 prices in case they ever come down to a similar price.
When a decent amount of ram costs more then the cpu
And you need decent ram speed to maximize APU performance too.
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Not to mention a decent PSU...
@@GentlyUsedFrog, since we're correcting people, you only need one asterisk to correct a grammatical error. More than that is redundant.
@@superacidi You dont need a decent psu for this cpu. Hell it could probably run off a couple off triple As that you dad keeps buying when you assk for double As
Finally! A review of a product for the common man. Thank you tech Jesus!
uwu
yeah, for a common man with a 50$ CPU and a *RTX 2080Ti*
@@r3strt lmfao
This fuks the Celeron, the Pentium and dual core i3s.
So things that haven't been relevant in low end gaming for awhile now? Looking locally the only i3 I can even buy is the 9100F. It's a quad core but it is more expensive ($79.99). If you are picking up a dual core i3 or even a late pentium branded chip hopefully it's for free out of a scrap pile. Certainly wouldn't pay for it lol.
I believe Intel no longer makes Dual Core i3s.
@@Aelfraed26 since 8'th gen, but shops still have a lot of them.
You mentioned the Celeron and having been stuck using one for a few years and not willing to recommend it to a dinosaur, that surprises me.
@@willembeltman if you were paying attention to was replying to a guy comparing it to dual core i3s which aren't anything someone would buy or that stores even stock.
it would be a good pick for a kid's first computer to get them started in building and learning tech for their possible future endeavors.
I applaud how thoroughly you test these machines, has to be hours upon hours, test after test.
he use the same benchmarks for a year, and just has a spreadsheet with all the other CPU's being benchmarked
@@for_all_those3611 way to out him lol
@@JustAverageJeff it would be stupid to do otherwise hahahaha
yay i've been waiting for this, no one else reviewed it as a cpu paired with a gpu
I can't remember the last time a $50 CPU was such a good value. It's so good to have AMD back giving Intel some real competition.
Did intel ever stand a chance
This CPU reminds me of the good old days. The insane gains from overclocking are legit exciting.
On super budget chips can you run 2 more tests. 1. A nas test. Throw in gigabit ethernet and every last bit of SATA ports need to be filled with ssd's. How much sustained throughput can you achieve? And 2. A pfsense/router/firewall test where you try to max out connections between 2 test computers to try to find the max users/torrents/spyware that the chip can handle. Maybe bring Wendell back to help along with linus' 32gamers 1 cpu rig.
I was considering this for a nas build, I already have the HDDs, case and psu, I just need a ssd boot drive ($20) RAM (8gb 3000 mhz for $33) and a mobo ($60). I would be nice to see testing transfer speeds through gigabit but I guess in this case the bottleneck would be the HDD?
@@PR_Punk1 Any reasonably recent magnetic hard disk is easily faster than Gigabit Ethernet.
@@johnm2012 Nice, I have Barracuda 7200 rpm HDD that should be enough for a NAS build I think.
@@PR_Punk1 Did you get ECC RAM? Some motherboards support it
What came of your nas build? My FM2+ media Pc needs to be retired. ( AMD video drivers on linux) Thinking of using this for nas, but its TDP is a bit high. The 240ge looks really good, but 2400g/3400g have more support options, and the 300g seems middle of the road.
So much power in a small package.
That's what my gf said.
With overclock it is awesome for the price
In 1997 I was making $40-$60 a week while in high school, I would have totally purchased this to do SOME gaming until I could buy a dedicated GPU. This APU makes the difference between gaming in a couple of months versus a year or so. I wouldn't even think about buying this these days though it is awesome for the people in that kind of financial scenario. Thanks for posting.
I feel like an old man trying to read the text on the benchmarks
Oh me too
watch the video on a gaming PC not on your phone
Jersey Tom sorry, but I can’t put my gaming pc in my pocket.
@@TheSjuris Get pants with bigger pockets.
Ya, not sure why the top 15 are in there, should have stopped at 3600 or so and expanded the graphs
New Budget Build, 2080Ti, + AMD Athlon 3000G, 16 GB 3000 DDR4 Ram and a B450 Mobo, for a Total of 1300 €
100% worth it
Cooler? Case? PSU? You forgot a few things in your 1300€.
@@dustinmajo9897 stock cooler and no case, leave the MB on top of the box, only power supply needed.
Athlon 3000G + 2080ti, now thats a bottleneck and a half right there :D
Glad to see you still give attention to even the cheapest options out there, good work !
LowSpecGamer recommended cpu for budget gaming
It's amazing how close the performance is to the TR 1950X, which was at one point $1000, and also factoring in that this includes a GPU as well! Would've been interesting to see the gaming performance on older games though and what the dGPU equivalent is (from about 7 years ago)
For anyone laughing at this, I have an Athlon 200GE tiny computer, and it is faster than a normal 4-core Phenom II for most things, while providing new features (NVMe m.2, AES-NI, etc.) and consuming way less power. They make great bedroom computer, or a little Unix box. Everything is relative. It's amazing how much you can get for so little money.
Athlon 3000G doesn't support NVME, only SATA M.2
@@rodrigofilho1996 This is very strange. On my Lenovo Tiny (M715q), NVMe slot will only have half the lanes (PCIe gen.3 x2) when using 200GE (as opposed to x4 lanes with 2200GE/2400GE). Not really a problem for me, though. I have Samsung 970PRO 512GB in there (LOL) working just fine.
I suppose it's possible AMD dedicated more PCIe lanes to graphics inside 3000G and left the NGFF lanes unconnected. _shrug_
As a person rocking with a Athlon X4 845, I appreciate this reviews quite a bit.
I haven't been part of the Graphics arms race for a while, so such bottom tier CPUs ended up being useful for the work and games I actually use without breaking the bank. I planned to do drawing and video editing with my current box, but I was very constrained on money and could not really afford the latest and greatest. Stuff like the Athlon line allowed me to get my foot in the door, and it makes me happy each time I boot the thing up.
That $50 CPU is what actually casual people need. Just some Chrome, no need for additional GPU, power efficient. Not everyone games, Not everyone overclock. So these chips with Integrated GPUs are better for small time casual, office ( non heavy, non time bound ) productivity. Probably the reason I still have a i3 - 3210 and haven't upgraded it till date. It still works fine for home use, small spreadsheet tasks and so on.
Laptop
@@jussikankinen9409 Low-end laptops all have 1.6 GHz CPU, Getting a PC with it gets you 3GHz
You don't know what "causal" people need. XD
@@XsaviXander Hmm hmm... Casual people need a Shintel i9 on 10nm+++++ architecture to watch Netflix.
I have an i3-2100 and am upgrading to the 3000G because it's 5 times better, literally. I could've upgraded the 2100 system with more ram and a cheap ssd but either way it's very much on its last leg and I can get years out of a 3000G with my "workflow".
I've been waiting for this. Thanks for spending $50 for us, Steve, we all appreciate it.
would love to see one of these small ones with like 10 NAVI CU's, 3 is just ridiculous but slap more CU's in and you have a very capable machine for us people that love older games and are able to run at 1080p
In case you don't know there are the 2200g (4C/4T/8CU) and 2400g (4C/8T/11CU) and their refresh 3200g and 3400g. The 2000 series tend to be sold out these days but can sometimes be had with a good discount or used.
@@wawagabriel they are with VEGA not NAVI ;-) still waiting for the 7nm APU to pop up... maybe next year we will get em with some NAVI inside, just a shame they are so behind
@@LiLBitsDK the rumour for the 4000 series apus is they're 7nm with a hybrid vega gpu portion using part of the display engine from navi, but in terms of performance it's still ultimately vega.
@@kynikostashasch2218 yeah time will tell
Thank you for including discrete GPU results!
Steve can we get a video of you head bagging to Black Metal or Crab Core one day?
Finally somebody has the balls to ask.
Please, Steve. We need it.
With a jacked German dude yelling something about dragons.
Brad Haines a type of EDM ( Electronic Dance Music)
Brad Haines a lot of times the names that sub genres under EDM don’t have anything to do with the style of song itself
For example
Synth wave isn’t made using a wave of synths or even with synths. It’s just a name that everyone universally agreed on.
@@bradhaines3142 Crabcore is a move some metalcore guitarists did live and in music videos back in the late 2000's where they bent down really low with their guitar while playing breakdowns (resembling a crab) and headbanged. It's not so much a genre but a joke. Attack Attack, Asking Alexandria, I See Stars, and Abandon All Ships notably used the move. Crabcore is closely associated with bands that incorporated synth keyboards or or EDM/techno bits in their songs.
It would interesting to see a complete budget build, meant for lighter stuff like media player, or something simple like that. Like was mentioned in the video, it isn't just about people not having the money to spend, but for simple solutions, there might be more price worthy solutions that makes a bigger budget a waste of money.
A seasonal ultrabudget build could fit that niche, just as a seasonal "latest intel gen gaming build" would do for it's purpose.
This thing performs way above expectation honesly.
Perfect for people who play mostly older games, free to plays and the low end on steam.
I mean, if you can't splash for a upgrade to a 1600 you won't be buying tripple a games at launch anyway with their insane cost structure nowdays.
Good stuff.
This helps A LOT! I might actually build 3 different PCs with this CPU for my 3 Daughters as a start PC with a DGPU. Thank you, GN!!!! (ALSO... We need a Vid with you OCing this thing to it's max on both Liquid cooling and LN. Especially LN. Why? Because why not? :D )
Probably the better alternative would be a r3 1200, where I'm located at it's 47euros for a brand new 1200 and it's basically the same performance as the 3000G, maybe even better in some cases because of 4 cores/4 threads.
Great and thorough review. Love the CPU scaling chart for CIV.
Grown ups use computers for non gaming purposes. This is a good general use apu for low power terminals.
A small correction: this is not Zen+. This is just Zen (2000 series APU core).
I.e. a cut down 2200g!
I'll just point out that at scale every $1 is important. Say you need to build 500 computers for a school lab...
You'd order 500 education edition 2-in-1s with a mobile Pentium and 4gb ram if you're lucky, or an atom processor and 2gb ram if you're not.
@@cm01 My school got these HP Probook x360 11 G2 EE 2-in-1 laptops. Intel Core i5-7y54, Intel HD 615 graphics, 128 GB Sata M.2 SSD, and8GBs of RAM. And that's for the whole Middle school _and_ high school. I think they lease from HP for reduced price? IDK. Sadly, they _are_ passively cooled, so thermal throttle land.
My school has polaris gpu
This CPU is amazing for simple office PC's, used mostly for simple sheets and browsing. Also, media PC for the TV.
aye gotta love GN after work.
Thankyou for enduring MORE benchmarking monotony , although at least this one's slow enough to allow you to walk away to make coffee while testing xD
Is it just me or this guy is way more technical than the other similar channels?
On the charts there are like almost 20 different CPU's (stock and overclocked), but most are not in the same price class.
Would be great to compare it with an Intel Pentium Gold...
...and slaughter it.
Yes. All the pentium golds. And silvers.
I think it can be used to show that a $50 piece is running at 50% the performance of say the 9900k, which is $500. It demonstrates that (when graphics are no limitation) the 3000g will be half as good for 1/10 of the price. It shows that your not losing much of anything considering the price which I think is a good metric to show.
@@Biwa_Hayahide Sounds good man. Let me throw away my 9900k, I won't be needing that anymore. I'm sure the 3000g will pair with a 2080ti just fine.
@@BreadDestroyer where did he say that? Why you gotta act that stupid?
Really cool video! Awesome option for home theater builds! Also, could be a great option for people that want to buy a computer now, and upgrade down the road!
Athlon 3000G the new 10980xe killer!
I'm so happy you got one of these, regardless of how it does.
Low end CPU market is very interesting now. It can do so much compared to just a couple years ago.
Steve another great video man.
I put one on a itx motherboard with graphics built in, then threw it in an ammo box as a "faraday PC" build. With a small touch screen, and keyboard/touch pad combo. It all fits inside with no holes on the outside. The intake is behind the screen and the PSU is the outlet, I'm running Linux pop ATM but eventually it going kodazhi soon.
As soon as I get my hands on one of them, I'll stick it into my new NAS. AMD should release 15-35w socketable AM4 cpus, too.
@@BeamMonsterZeus yeah, i know. right now that's what I'm doing on a headless r7 1700 server.
@ lol
@@nutterztube I also thought about running a headless server. Can you somehow debug it if something goes wrong?
@@themasterofdisaster1 system logs are always useful. my approach while using r7 1700 was:
1. Get a mobo that supports booting into the os without needing a graphics solution.
2. Plug in a gfx card. It was 1060 for me. Fine tune the system to your needs. openssl created some sort of kernel panics that weren't getting logged when I initially migrated the system from Intel.
3. Thoroughly test(stress test) the system for a month without rebooting.
4. Monitor the logs.
5. Set up necessary health/error notification scripts. Test them.
6. Remove the gpu. Monitor the system for a while again.
If everything is going great, then everything is going great.
That's how I was running a NAS/squid/hostapd wifi5(ac) ap/bandwidth aggregator using 2 additional 4g lte x9 modem (old)phones/h265 encoder.
If you want to splurge, then you can have a mobo with ipmi.
Sounds like an interesting build. Freenas/unraid? Got a pcpp link?
I am a simple man.
Like first , watch Steves video later.
Keep up the great work !
An extra $50 or 70 could get 'you' to a better GPU. Quite an interesting proposition - then buy a better CPU later..?
Well considering how many games aren’t cpu bound, it’s a good idea to invest in a graphics card and mobo that can expand, and get a cheap cpu that’s slower and upgrade down the line. You won’t be disappointed with a ry3. Later down the line you might find you need more horse power in the cpu department, well look, you already have a good mother board and gpu, no need to worry about an expensive item, and you don’t have to worry about the mobo dying or it killing your graphics card because you know it’s a quality board.
I recently used this CPU for a build to run PowerPoint in a church. The whole system was $220 + monitor and runs amazingly smooth.
Currently thinking about getting either a Pentium G5420 or a 3000G. They cost exactly the same here and the motherboards i've considered is available for both at similar prices. I need a complete build that looks nice or atleast decent, as cheap as possible, as it's just for casemods for "show", basically. Been waiting for 3000G reviews, as going with Ryzen gives me a chance to work with the AM4 platform for the first time and upgradeability. Gonna pair it with 16GB ram and possibly an RX 570/580, so being able to upgrade to something like a Ryzen 2600 later on, could make it quite a decent budget machine for productivity and maybe a bit of gaming. Thank you, Tech Jesus!
I have one (on an ASRock ITX motherboard, in a small Silverstone case), and I just LOVE this thing.
It works perfect in simple, light, casual computer usage. In fact, it works as smoothly as my R7 3700X/RTX 2060 Super in all that; no stuttering, no lag, not anything whatsoever.
I love this thing. :))))
Now I want a comparison between the iGPU with overclocks for all the zen APUs, Intel and maybe even one of the older AMD APUs.
3400G, 3000G, 2200G, 200GE, A12 9800 (which exists on AM4 w/ DDR4 for a nice comparison) etc.. :)
The problem with saying, "For just $X more...." is that there's not an end to it. Figure out your budget, prioritize performance over aesthetics, and make sure you leave yourself an upgrade path. Sometimes, you have to go with the $500-$100 CPU. Sometimes, you have to go with a $100-140 GPU. Worse case scenario (if you can't wait till your budget is bigger) is that any extra old parts from an upgrade can go towards a media PC. From there you can choose to use it in your own home or give it to someone might need it for school work or whatever.
When Robert Hallock was on PCWorld, he said it was Zen and not Zen+.
On an APU like this, I would personnally overclock only the iGPU so it has the cleanest power possible available to overclock it, unless the iGPU is good enough that it becomes memory limited of course.
This great information.
Thanks for posting.
Also, have you made a video comparing Laptop gaming processors?
I wish he would take more pauses between semtences otherwise great video. Might use this CPU for a Plex NAS
fuck that noise athlon 3000g was and still is the PERFECT chip for me - light gamer and a bit of coding here and there
This is pretty great for ultra-budget PC's. AVX and that iGpu are a great addition for the money.
I think this kind of CPU's are great for beginners. Let's say you don't know pretty much anything about debugging and etc (so you are scared to go the used parts route) and you conclude that you'll buy new parts but you are on a tight budget. What makes it so good is that you will probably be able to swap it for a Ryzen 5 2600 on the cheap side once you build enough confidence/knowledge. Pair it with a RX570/GTX1050Ti or something like that and you just got a cheap gaming rig that will play a lot of games on FullHD. Of course, no amazing FPS or any Ultra settings but hey! You will be able to play decent games, for a very low investment.
Great review!👍
The r5 1600 and 2600 really is a blast for the money..im getting a $99 without cooler 2600 next week,not gonna bottleneck anything in 1080p75 for 3-4years to come
i was really looking forward to this i love super low budget parts they're fun to play with. and for those who can't afford much a miracle.
I built my 5 year old a Minecraft rig with this. With its IGP, it’s perfect for that and his kindergarten schoolwork this year.
I love the predecessor. I use it in my homeserver. low power consumption, decent power, low price. Good CPU all around.
tech yes city did a review on the 3500x, tech jesus in depth analysis needed on this cpu
The 3500X is an awesome CPU being it's far cheaper than the 3600 yet pretty much offers the same level of gaming performance.
@@gsydaz 70usd cheaper than 3600 for the loss of 6 threads , its worth it
@@supershafik 6 cores is still 6 cores, the gaming benchmarks would indicate that it does not matter too much.
AMD has just made this class of part seriously useful. You can now build a handy box for $200 USD.
And there is now a space for a new class of mobo/case etc - something like a cross between a laptop and NUC into which you install an APU, RAM, SSD and go. Tiny but capable of gaming, productivity etc. I'd buy a few. I'd take one everywhere to plug into TVs...
That new class already exists with things like the ASRock Deskmini A300. It's a whole computer, with replacable APU, RAM, NVMe M.2 SSD (x2!), all in a box smaller than my PSU. I built one for my dad, and he's super happy with it, even though he's a bit of a power-user for a 60 year old. Put a last-gen 2200G in his, works very well.
Love these little processors. Such great value and so many use cases. And for $50s. That's almost the cheapest part of the build for Christ sake. Amazing value. I costed the value of a Raspberry pi 4 with 4 gigs of ram, power supply, sdcard and one or two other bits and bobs and the total in euros was creeping towards the 300euro mark. I know which I'd rather have but I do love the single board compute concept. Just not enough horse power though and the pricing is becoming more and more difficult to justify as the hp isn't matching the price.
ARM is not great, even with the same horse power. And the SoC from the RPi4 was dead on arrival compared to Rockchip's one. The next Ryzen Embedded series should be interesting compared to those ARM single board computers.
@@PainterVierax Yea I had a Rockchip a couple years back and even then it was impressive. The Udoo Bolt V8 is an interesting bit of kit but, I can't justify the cost even though the 3000G and a SBC are aimed at different users and markets.
But, like you I to am really looking forward to what AMD can do in the new year on the embedded SOC/SBC. A market that needs competition and hopefully AMD will do to that segment what they have done since 2017 i.e. give the consumer a choice at a fair price.
I do remember for about $7, I bought an AMD Phenom x4 9650 CPU which is 4 core and 4 thread, although much older, from early 2008. Still works well though for light gaming.
When a cpu is cheaper than two Noctua fans😂👌
Yeah and it’s not like you can innovate Fan technology. You can upgrade parts on the fan, and redesign aspects of it. But when it comes down to it, a fan is a fan is a fan. As long as it pushes air it’s doing it’s job.
@@prescott231233 No, there's definitely room for innovation in fans.
Just look at all the fine tuning that's been done so far to minimize noise, make the noise a much less irritating frequency, increase efficiency, optimizing for pressure or airflow, and guiding the vortex of air into a straighter line so that it can maintain pressure at greater distances.
They're easy to underestimate, but the amount of engineering that goes into some of them is very impressive.
@@prescott231233 There's a lot more to fans than that. That's like saying jet engines can't be innovated because as long as they compress air & fuel to generate high pressure gas to drive a big fan on the front, they're doing their job. lol. Noctua fans genuinely do innovate. They cost a lot too, and probably aren't worth it to most people, but to claim they they don't actually innovate is bullshit. They don't innovate in pricing, sure, but in technology they do.
@@Mythricia1988 I'd like to meet a person who sais noctua is noth worth the money when they hold one of there 120mm flagship fans in there hand. Everything from unboxing, over the weight and feel of the fan in hand, to the noise and performance in a system (no matter if as rad or case fan) just screams quality.
I usually build with be quiet sw3 for black builds or noiseblocker eloop for white builds, and while they are nice, they dont reach the feel of noctua. Even have some gentle typhoons here, that still work great, but not still at noctua level :)
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Oh I'm a fan myself (pun intended), I have 8 Noctua fans in my current O-11 Air build. 3x NF-A12 in top radiator, 3x NF-A12 in side rad, and 2x NF-S12A's in the front. I love these things. But I do think it's fair to say that for the average gamer, they actually don't care at all - it's way more money for a quality increase that is too small to matter for them.
Is 4GHz the max? I was hoping you'd overclock it as far as possible. Maybe even try some liquid nitrogen cooling to see what kind of benchmarks you could get from it.
According to UserBenchmark, the Athlon 3000G appears to be on par in performance with Intel's Core i03-4170 from the Haswell Era, though the additional features provided in the Zen+ architecture make it an ideal choice over the 4150 to 4170 any day of the year, especially at its price point; from what I've been able to gather, this is an APU that is aimed at the markets of Public Schools, Local Libraries, and Public Office Buildings, a demographic that Intel thrived in for many years when Athlon was an afterthought, which is where AMD is trying to gain investors in with this option, it's a smart move on AMD's part and makes this an ideal resource to last students deep into the end of the Windows 0I0.
Video Game Emulators and Workstation tasks are where the Athlon 3000G shows its true colours: You will be able to play most titles from Generation 0I to VI of gaming on this (barring many Gamecube titles in Dolphin, that emulator loves high thread counts), and if this performs as powerfully as my Intel 4160 did from Christmas Eve of 20I5 to December 0I0 of 20I8, then very likely you will be able to pump out any project in Vegas Pro in Standard Definition (0854x0480 and I280x0480) with ease, you will need at least an RX 5300 from AMD or a GTX 1660 from Nvidia to truly get any real Standard HD (0720p) or Super HD (I080p) workloads done in the modern era but it is something to keep in mind if you are using Athlon 3000G as a holdover until you can get a Ryzen chip that suits your intended use case; the incompatibility with X570 will likely be dissipated with future Motherboard BIOS updates, at least one could hope, it is weird for AMD to lock out a new chip on a new series of motherboards with the same socket and I would be concerned if this is not addressed sooner or later.
all i want is to encode my 1080p youtube videos in at least 1:1 fps/speed instead of taking like 15x as long... never thought i would get to the point that encoding takes longer than uploading!
NVENC (1650Super and up) or AMD VCE (RX550 and up) would be way faster than any CPU if you need speed. I regularly use NVENC in Handbrake and at the SLOWEST setting it has (SLOW) it encodes x265 at 200fps+ at 720p and 130fps+ at 1080p. My 6-core ryzen can only do 30-50 on those settings. CPU looks better, yes, but not by much and GPU encoding is so much faster it's not even funny.
Would you recommend this cpu for "grandma's pc", aka a browsing/TH-cam/checking email system?
I would. (You could also use an Athlon 200GE as an alternative...)
even an old G4560 is quite sufficient for this type of tasks.
I suppose but my golden rule for grandmas computer is... It's going to be up to current standards even if she wont utilize it fully. SSD is a must because prices are dirty cheap these days and I'm the one who's going to be troubleshooting problems so I'm not waiting on an old as hard drive. 16GB of ram because chrome is eats ram faster than a fat kid eats candy on halloween. Wireless mouse&keyboard because I hate wires and they're very well made these days. Just about everything else doesn't matter and I'll cut cost on cpu&psu&motherboard&case only thing I might spend a bit more on is quality silent fans.
@@ghostrider2214 you're talking about your rare maintenance. That's important but your grandma won't use 16Gb since her usage of Chrome/FF won't be dozens of tabs and she would need to call you when the batteries of the mouse and keyboard are dead.
Silent fans? depends if her audition is still good enough. After all, this CPU doesn't require a large airflow. Same with vision: a higher dot pitch monitor with a good view angle could be more comfortable for her.
@@PainterVierax My parents are old enough to be grandparents (well, they are grandparents, just not mine) - and my mother in particular has like 50 tabs open in Chrome every time I see her. You can't really assume by age that they are incapable of abusing their machine - old people more than anything are very capable of abusing their computer, because they don't know better. I think putting
Yeeers this is what we wanted in that poll
Gosh I want to see this thing under LN2
I always have such high hopes for GN videos. But then 10 minutes in, Im BORED to death with data, data, data, data....
Ever think about getting a fan to blow your hair around like a rock star???
Bet you have.😉😆
A nice follow-up video to watch after watching Low-Spec Gamer's review.
TBH, as a potential user, I'd be more interested if this CPU would bottleneck a budget card like RX570 or 1650Super rather than 2080Ti.
Honestly this is a great cpu if you want to get it for a child or teenager for The holiday, or a birthday, if they have an interest in building computers, or as a project to work on with them! It’s only $50 and it delivers satisfying enough performance in Esports titles that they could feel genuinely good about themselves after they get it working!
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You don’t have to worry about breaking it or blowing it up because at the end of the day, it’s only $50 spent, and, you had a good learning experience!
I know that it's not really your thing, but would you consider doing a video or article on the best apu for a HTPC build ?
It's a real shame that you didn't include the R3 1200 in the lineup, since that currently costs about exactly the same as the 3000G where I live, so it would've made for a nice comparison.
im happy with my 3200G, i have only one modle of 8 Gbs of ram but for what im doing (some old games like FO4 and some university stuff) is good
I would love to watch how far can the 3000G and the Vega 3 go in emulation
Fernando MP ETA Prime has done several videos on emulation with the Athlon 200GE, which is almost the same chip as this one.
@@segaprophet it's actually the exact same chip physically
Would be nice to see it in esport games. Seems like it could do a job for a budget system
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Love the data you provide and it helps to make purchase decisions. However, is there any way you can make it readable on mobile? These charts are so tiny that no detail can be seen on my iPhone XS when watching the video. Do we really need the top of the data on this chart to get the point or can you just enlarge and show the bottom half?
When's this supposed to be available in the US? I've been checking daily for weeks and there's nothing. It's been readily available in Europe, though.
Would've loved if you threw the FX 8350 in there just for the hell of it.
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Ln2 5ghz? Stupid but would be cool to see how much more performance can be squeezed from 2 cores.
Might use this for my arcade pc build
Interesting, but probably more relevant to the CPU's target market is whether or not it would starve or decently satisfy a budget GPU like an RX 570 or RX 480, or at most an RX 580, RX 5500 (when it's out) or 1650 Super.
It's probably just me, but looking at wall of graphs and listening to several minutes of stats does not help me make buying decisions.
I actually threw a Athlon 220GE in my parents new build and it's not necessarily about gaming but it's really worth the basic performance you get. It's the perfect old person machine who has had the same desktop since 2011 and this seems more of the same. I did buy a used RX 570 just in case I'd ever want to use it for something gaming related for mild titles.
How is this CPU compared to Ryzen 3 1200 stock/oc ?
Funny thing about this athlon and 200GE, you can play WoW Classic on classic L3 settings on 60-100FPS with just this cpu :)
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