Bought the MSI B450 Tomahawk based on Steve's recommendation half a year ago with a cheap Ryzen 5 2600. Nice to see that i could even put in a 16 core right now. Thanks Steve. ;-)
I got the msi b450 tomahawk g-skill flare x 3200hz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb memory with 3600x and im happy with my new computer build . The best part is i got a nice 3600x cpu 4460mhz on 4 cores 4399mhz on 2 cores.
@@eurocrusader1724 amd really pissed me off.... anouncing a product for 750€ what you can't buy and then you see it for 940€ (19% tax not included) pre order... i need it for my workstation (that was the plan... but when you want to see god laughing, make a plan!) for less than 400€ more i get a new threadripper... when it's for sale someday... somewhere... when you place a product, you have to sell it. the only 3950x i see is on some youtuber pages.... ha - ha
On my Asus Intel B85 chipset, I can't even run stock clocked i7 4770 at more than 10 minutes without getting it throttled because VRM temps. Forget the AVX load for more than 3-5 minutes and CPU goes way back to 800 MHz. I understand it's an entry-mid level board with 3 phases, but didn't expect to throttle it at stock clock. It's not like I am overclocking or something because it's not even allowed in B85 chipset. Intel and Asus can suck each other's d I am never going to buy any board and CPU from these mofos.
@@deletevil That is pretty poor for stock settings. Asus also had some very bad B350 and B450 boards on the AM4 platform and these even allow overclocking. Their top end boards are very good but at the low-end or lower midrange you're better off with an MSI, ASROCK or GIGABYTE. You could try installing tiny heat sinks on the VRM's (the kind you sometimes see on a Raspberry Pi) and run a fan nearby for some extra airflow. It's a shame to see a good CPU like an i7 4770 to go to waste thanks to a bad motherboard. There's still a lot of life left in that CPU.
@@CheapBastard1988 yeah man, thanks for the info regarding AM4 boards. My bad I didn't do that before, I am used to calling it 4770 even though it is actually Xeon-E3 1246 V3 (exact Xeon replica of i7 4770 locked version). I found that undervolting it to 0.980v from 1.2v and locking it at 36x (no turbo :( at all now ) and disabling HT is the only way I can run this on this crap board. Never mind! Not sure of lot of life on this one but yeah, it is still a good 40 - 80 fps gaming CPU even for modern AAA ones.
Considering how recent and still great 3600 is, I'd keep it for a few years. Then you could even go for a foreseeable 4950X when it gets cheaper, as Ryzen 4000 family will be the last supported by current motherboards.
@@MrDarkSephirot no i think it was the 4000 series with intergrated graphics that will be on am4. I believe they said that the actual new cpu's will be on a new platform.
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020. That's why I believe we'll see the whole Ryzen 4000 family next year for AM4, with just the refined 7nm process (7nm+ with EUV). After that, the next logical step would be delivering new sockets in 2021 for Ryzen 5000 with a new 5nm process, maybe also with support for DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 (on 5/5/2021). Only joking about the date, it's just that I saw it on another comment lol (but who knows...). Of course, nothing is guaranteed and it could well be as you say, I haven't read about it.
Got the B450 Tomahawk based on your recommendation, even though I only got a Ryzen 3 2200G, because I wanted to keep my upgrade path open. Absolutely no regrets!
Sometimes if you are low on money better to buy best mobo you can and not that good CPU but still decent quad core to run until you upgrade to something stronger. Good decent board is a must. Not high end but decent.
@@PsychoCaki absolutely my thoughts when I bought the parts. Now I can drop in up to a 3900X and it will work just fine. I might even get away with a 3950X, not that I'll need that anytime soon!
@@nawarelsabaa Yes man absolutely. How much RAM do you have and whats your GPU? Im going for similar board and Ryzen 1600AF CPU. Gonna OC him and use with 2x8 DDR4 RAM 3200mhz. Now im using i7 2600k 16 gb ddr3 and r9270. Its gonna be sick build for all upcoming games and for my work also! Later on I will ugprade GPU to RX580 or maybe 5600xt if i grab enough money. I was thinking waiting b550 board and go with 3300x but price for decent b550 board when it launch will probably cost 150 dollars and its not gonna be worth since b550 will only support 3000 series and 4000 , not backward compatible, and only zen3 and PCI 4.0 not worth i think. Il just stick to b450 board since i can put 3900x later on if needed and similar and with this build wait for Ryzen 5000 series and AM5 in 2 years. But if we upgrade to 3900x we probably dont even need AM5 because 3900x will be beast so many years due to cores and threads.
@@PsychoCaki I still haven't updated from the 2200G but I will most likely get a 3600/3700X and a decent GPU soon (I started a full-time job and can afford those soon). The 2200G has served me extremely well for my usage and I might drop it into a cheap mATX board and make it into a NAS or something
@@nawarelsabaa Nice man. Those are all decent chips. My friend have 1200 Ryzen quad core and he game pretty much everything. Far Cry 4, Just Cause 3/4 , GTA V so he is happy. Its good to be a part of AMD these days. :)
No you don't. AM4 is getting replaced in 2021 due to DDR5. Also, the whole upgrade path is a stupid argument, because your not changing cpu's that often, anyways. If you got the 2500k back in 2011 and arn't playing any crazy demanding games, then your fine here in 2019, that's 8 years. What's more by the time that your Ryzen chip is outdated. Even AMD's low end chip will be kicking the shit out of it. Just look at the current crop of Ryzen chips, and how they beat the piss out of the older chips, even Threadripper is rendered obsolete by Ryzen 9..
@@Orcawhale1 your argument makes me want to harpoon you. When you want to upgrade to a higher core CPU later, you won't need to change the motherboard, so the upgrade path is cheaper and easier!
@@Orcawhale1 The point here is you can go from a 2c/4t cheap athlon to a ballin 3950x on the same motherboard. That's unheard of and absolutely awesome for us computer lovers. Don't see how you can bash this, it's great progress and very consumer friendly.
Thank you my dude, i have bought the b450 tomahawk after i saw ur video a year ago, and i dont regret a thing. Love ur channel, u always deliver Love from Syria ❤
Hey Steve, thanks for this awesome video! Could you perhaps consider doing the same kind of testing with the 3700X on a couple of B450 mainboards? Thats probably a more realistic pairing as of right now. And when heavily overclocked, the 3700X can also pull up to 150A from the VRM, which makes it most likely too demanding for most of the more entry level B450 bords.
Mortar - no heatsink on SoC, but design similar to Tomahawk, VRM - different mosfets. Mortar from SinoPower , on Tomahawk OnSemiconductor with some balance features.
Unfortunately I bought a B450 Aorus Pro Wifi a few months ago, it was just impossible to find any B450 motherboards at that time. I don’t plan to use a 3950X in the near future, but it is good to see that it’s not impossible with this motherboard. Thanks a lot for your test!
I feel like he almost has a bad b450-f gaming board. Mine has never seen the temps his showed. 2600x with stock fan. And I have the corsair case he showed in this video with my fans in the same configuration.
@@Dennzer1 I fully understand what I was being told. My reply was that his b450-f ran hot with a 2700x as well. My board has never seen those same temps. Which is why I say he must have a bad one. Regardless of processor his b450-f runs hot and mine does not. As others have said as well.
Just going back here to say you were right, snagged a cheap 3900x a few months ago. Dropped straight into my MSI B450 Tomahawk Max, and was running in less than an hour. Cheers!
This video really helped me settle on getting the b450 tomahawk whenever I snagged the 2700x on sale during black Friday. It's been a great motherboard so far!
Great work as always Steve! As for the B450 Tomahawk Max Boards, they have been on Newegg and Amazon for a Few weeks now here in the US. I have Noticed it sells out fast when in stock! As of typing this I just saw it on Newegg for $115 US!
I love your Aussie straight delivery; praise where deserved, and honest trash talk when criticism is required. The companies must quake at the thought of these temperature tests. Great vids Steve.
My b450 gaming f is the best investment I have ever made. It now supports the Ryzen 9 5950x and that is the most powerful and last cpu supported on the am4 socket this just makes me happy.
I'd like to add the MSI Mortar variants (Titanium, Max) to the list of recommended boards, in order to have some mATX option. They have the same VRM configuration than the Tomahawk, less the heatsink over SoC VRMs, but it works just fine without. These boards had some botched BIOS updates over the last year, but the latest version is smooth and stable.
Buildzoid prefers the Mortar (mATX) over the Tomahawk. I think the whole video is great but watch it from this time segment for the Mortar quick review: th-cam.com/video/JGY2mqTn2rc/w-d-xo.html
I’m so glad I took your advice a year ago and grabbed a tomahawk on sale. Right now just running a 1700 but soon it will be beefed up by a ton!! Keep up the great content!
Great Test. Thanks for these more unusual videos, they are some of my favorite ones since this kind of information is really hard to get without buying the stuff yourself. AM4 sure is a nice platform.
I gotta thank you for making that B450 video a year ago,really helped me to pick up the Tomahawk and i gotta say i'm extremely happy with the board,i thought i can barely fit a Ryzen 7 3700x,but this video showed me that Tomahawk is an absolute beast,keep up the great work :D
I have a R5 1600X and a cheap-mid range B350 motherboard with Ryzen 3000 support. I hope an upgrade to the 3900X or the 3950X in a few years works out nicely.
Probably not ryzen 4 unfortunately. While Intel is basically scamming people with how frequently they update their motherboards, motherboards usually have to get upgraded eventually. It's great AMD didn't pull and Intel and made things backwards compatible though. Much better for the consumer.
Pdubbed at least you have an Awesome Upgrade Path whit that Motherboard, how crazy is with a middle end MOBO you can upgrade to the Top of the Line CPU, you can’t do this whit Intel. 😆
I'm continually impressed by the sheer amount of useful information I get from this channel. For those of us that have X470, this would also be useful but I'm assuming all should be well. Thanks again for all you do.
Very happy with my B450 Pro Carbon that I picked up for 110€ just prior to 3rd Gen release. Runs my 3700X beautifully and I'd definitely consider upgrading to a 3900X or 3950X (Or Zen3!) in 3-6 years time.
As a guy who recently build his first pc with a B450 Tomahawk Max and an AMD 5 3600 this makes me really happy that I can more than double my core count while still getting good temps. Thanks for the great videos mate, it truly helped me picking the right parts for my pc, it's a beast now!
@@Sajmafor stock cooler works fine and doesn't limit performance a lot, after a month I got an aftermarket cooler which primarily gets lower temps, also boosts a little higher :)
Using an MSIB450 GPC mobo and just got a 2nd hand 3900x for abt 450USD here in Singapore, warranty up until 2023! Can't wait and thanks for the assurance Hardware Unboxed 😊
@@lienuslatetips4894 IDK, the Gaming K4 was second to the Tomahawk on Steve's prior testing on B450 boards, and well above the Asus and Gigabyte ones who failed miserably. If the Steel Legend has the same VRM it's not a bad choice, but that's the thing I'm not sure about
I bought the Asus ROG Strix B450 2 years ago when it came out with a R5 2600. Now that I am thinking to upgrade my processor I see I'll need a couple more ventilators as well. Great video!
I recently purchased a The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max to go with my Ryzen 5 3600 heavily based off yours (Steve) and Buildzoid's recommendations and reviews of the vrms in hopes that I could do precisely this! I was really hoping that the upgrade path through higher end Ryzen 3000 and in to 4000 would be open to me with this solid board. I was going to go with the Pro Carbon but it turned out to be $50AUD extra including the factory BIOS update required for Ryzen 3000, so Tomahawk it was. Although, The B450-M Mortar's were very appealing, I just don't have a mATX case.. :( but the feature set is slightly better than the TOmahawk. Long story short, you have made me very happy Steve, thank you! Knowing that I can stick a 3950X in this build whenever the day comes that I can afford it is fantastic! :D Legend!
Thanks for this video..I just built a Ryzen 2700x, B450 Tomahawk motherboard (partially got it after watching one of your videos!) , 2 x 8gb Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz RGB ram, w/Silverstone Primera 01 RGB case, added 2 140mm additional be-quiet fans on the interior top...couldn't be happier! Thermals are ridiculously good, even at load. The 2700x is at 4.1ghz, and the ram is at what I call "the sweet spot": 3200mhz. However, like many with this configuration and considering the idea of the newer generation of Ryzen Cpu's, etc...it's good to hear some really good news about the configuration I have currently...and what is possible for upgrades. The tomahawk b450 is a really, really solid and excellent performing MB. Again, thanks for this video and the benchmarks to take into consideration what's possible , the performance of the current boards/cpu's, and what's possible in upgrades.
Bought 4x B450 Tomahawks in the $73-79 range (Amazon warehouse) in early 2020 largely in part to these reviews here. Paired them all with Ryzen 5 1600af’s when they were at $85. 3200mhz 16gb kits were $60-65 at the time. Excellent cheap upgrades for the family and media PCs. Thanks Hardware Unboxed!
2yrs later all the 1600AF's were sold off for $75,60,50 and 50. Now the 5x B450 Tomahawks boards have 3x 5600x and 2x 5600 to top them off for 3 or more years. Crazy low prices on the 5600x/5600 around $106-125ea for 4 of them. Overkill in the house with all PC's with 5000 series except the last 3600 is in the garage for music streaming and fix it videos. Even some light gaming with a GTX1080,B450,3600,16gb on 2560x1080p 60hz.
Probably because its a bad idea, maybe it doesnt even have support? Its an ISL95712 running as a 3 phase for the core, not sure i'd put a 16 core in it. Effectively the reasons buildzoid usually points out with any asrock board they cut every corner they can. Width is shorter than ATX to save copper. They used 6 individual sata connectors instead of the normal dual height ones. They used the smallest vrm heatsinks they could (same shape as on some 4 phase gigabyte matx am3 boards from years ago but with more slots cut, not inherently a bad heatsink but could have been far better for this role). Only 3 audio ports audio (green stereo, pink mic in, blue line in). Thier bios's are usually broken.
@@tomstech4390 And yet that ASRock board had the the second best VRM thermals in the B450 video, which shows how crappy the Gigabyte and Asus boards are. I was expecting the ASRock results, the Steel Legend could be a better alternative to the Tomahawk
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Steel Legend sucks too, Asrock cut the Highside mosfet to 1 per phase. Let along the fact that they sell all steel legend with Nikosem and SM fets, good luck getting the SM version. With 1-Highside per phase this board is only comparable with B450M Pro-VDH and M2 from MSI. MSI is playing ball alone in the VFM B450 with Mortar/Tomahawk unfortunately.
Thanks for this video Steve, not 2 days ago I was looking for an i7 7700 to upgrade my system and thought they were way over priced for a part that is so old now, I did wonder if a B-NNN motherboard and an R5 combo would cost about the same or a bit more for better performance and now you get this video out. Thanks, you're the man!
2 years later and I'm back at watching this video to research the market. I'm on the market of upgrading to a5800x setup and w have some nice 2nd hand boards, some less than 100usd. thanks Steve, back to you Steve.
I'm still pleased with my MSI B350 Tomahawk board. It's been a pleasure to use, and my upgraded CPU (2700x) will sit in there quite nicely with zero problems when it arrives.
I've been looking at affordable parts for a secondary build. Had my eyes on the Tomahawk Max and either R5 2600 or 3600. I guess that would be a very safe pick :) Great video, Steve
Another happy customer with a MSI B450 Tomahawk and wating for big prices drops in cpu for a future upgrade. Thanks Hardware Unboxed for the recommendation 👍
@@Dr.WhetFarts not that poor. I have enough brain cells to realize that even after 7 years Intel's 8th gen CPUs don't get you at least 30% IPC increase if you upgrade. Not to mention same 4 core garbage untill 7th gen. I use my PC mainly for rendering. And use GPU for that. Because Intel Shit CPUs can't even get halfway close to GPUs in rendering. But this 3950X is fast as a mid-range GPU in rendering. So finally a CPU that can Render stuff.
@@matan8074 6350 is a monster compared to i3 2100. You can wait for 4th gen ryzen. Btw check newegg, there were crazy deals last night, I bought an Asrock 5700XT Taichi yesterday for 439 with free 5ghz Asrock G10 Router.
Got the MSI B450 Pro Carbon, on a excelent deal! Now i'm using the 3600x, but once the price for the 3900x or 3950x start to drop, i'll get one of those! Great video Steve!
Coming back and hearing how confident steve was about the pricing of the 3950x and then going to look at prices makes me chuckle. How could we have known lol.
Thanks so much for making this video, I have been looking into upgrading my 1700 to a 3950x to get more cores and higher clocks. I use the gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi and it has been a great board for the most part.
What about b450 aorus elite what should i compare that to ? I mean is it the same as aorus pro Cause i saw that some mobos with wifi have worse temps then their non wifi boards
It packs the same VRM as Aorus Pro and Pro-WiFi so your temps will be same as the results in the video, hence 3950X shouldn't really be a problem but I'd still recommend some kind of airflow over the VRM. As for WiFi boards running a bit hotter, that's only the case when WiFi is being actively used as the WiFi Card typically is situated near the I/O panel under the VRM heatsink so it also pumps heat into the VRM. I don't think WiFi was being actively used for it to get hot in this video hence you should get same results with a non-WiFi board.
This is good to know for people thinking to upgrade and wondering how their current MOBO will perform. I'd like to see a video like this for X470 MOBOs.
some b350 boards could do fine docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281 a320 is just ehhh asking for a fire
Due to pandemic, I was able to settle to the B450 Aorus Pro Wifi to be paired with my Ryzen 7 3800X. Thank you for this Steve. I almost bought the B450 Strix good thing I watched this first.
The MSI B450 Tomahawk I bought in 2020 has now had its second AMD Ryzen chip popped in (5 3600 to a 9 3950x) and it's always handled processing brilliantly. Such a good, affordable board for a business looking to squeeze every £€$ out of that purchase.
Thanks, I've been looking for an answer to this question since I have the MSI B450 pro carbon .. good to know I can use the 3950x to it's full potential.
depend on vrm if the vcore vrm contain 4 or more phrase its totally fine cz all the b450 mobo uz 4 phrase for soc gigabyte use the worst one & msi use the best one but everyone use 4 phrase on their b450 so check out ur mobos vrm phrase
I was eyeing a 3700x at Best Buy yesterday something told me to wait and I just walked out lol. I have a R5 2600x w/ a MSI Tomahawk mb and looks like I won't need to upgrade until 2021 by that time 3800x and 3950 will be much lower in price. This video just saved me a lot of money. Thanks Steve!
Results are about what I would expect. I've been running a 3900X on two MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC's for months now with zero problems, I'd expect the same for the 3950X. That said, I do set a reasonable power cap on the socket via NBIO/SMU in the BIOS (usually 120W or so) and match it against a Noctua tower cooler to keep temps below 60C at full load and to keep the whole system silent. These are blasted good CPUs. -Matt
my B450M Mortar is so ready for a 4950x in a few years as an upgrade to my 3600. Thanks Msi for the great Board and thanks Buildzoid for the nice Heat sink analysis on the b450m mortar titanium :)
Did you notice significant temp difference with them reversed? I have seen cases where you are blowing hot air around it get hotter when proper ventilation isn't there, e.g. too much hot air not being expelled only gets the case hotter. Which you can quickly demonstrate when that is the case by pulling off the side and if the temperature goes down significantly, then your positive pressure is having the opposite effect where you are just blowing hot air around the case, making thing hotter. Now I want to say this guy knows what hes doing and has a reasonably good idea of the cases capability. However I have my doubts that a single 120 MM exhaust is adequate for those types of temps. I kind of feel on average, no one should be using 3 fans to cool a good gaming system. That being said, I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't get a good result from fans pulling hot air out from the top of the case, especially with these vrm's running as hot as they are, given that there is a lot of positive pressure in the case and not a lot of exhaust. Now while I don't know much detail on how the case he used looked inside, i.e. cpu cooling solution, gpu etc, gpus tend to exacerbate the problem. At least the large ones that run hot with multifans. They blow the air around the case and expect the case to remove the hot air flow vs a blower cooler that pulls in air and pushes it out the back of the video card, which is less common, so I think that should have been considered with a gaming or graphical use case for real world scenario. However they were mostly looking at VRM. I just hope they didn't do a disservice to fans in getting them to reverse their fans. Given that you are not on a 3950x, I can only imagine you might be better off not having your fans reversed. A b450 was never considered to have a 12 core or 16 core running on it, I doubt your VRM would be pushed that high where it runs that hot. In this scenario, maybe he has the optimal configuration, I have some doubts and in your case I doubt you are improving your cooling performance by doing this, even if it directly helps cool the VRM. I mean, unless you are running a 3900x overclocked, I just doubt you are pushing the VRM as much as it is here under load. I have worked around this cooling area a bit and have some knowledge of getting optimal cooling. Mostly because I had a lot of intel people tell me their cpu is running at 80c+ and then I get to view their computer and see how bad their cooling requirements are being met(sure this has dropped significantly since intel stopped using TIM under their cpu lids). Ever since the industry went to tempered glass, we lost out on one useful feature that made all components run a bit cooler, side fans(which some water coolers have sort of left those components to cool themselves). They helped where downward cpu blower fans used to. They often helped cool everything around the cpu, from vrm to memory. Now we just have to rely on proper front intake and rear exhaust. So in the case of having a high end gpu, and cpu, I just don't see how it would be wise to have 4 intakes and one 120mm exhaust. Especially if you had a fan blower cpu cooler in this case. Doesn't seem logical, even an all in one radiator cooler just sounds like a bad idea in this scenario, but I understand this was mostly to test out the VRM performance.
@@JeordieEH well my cpu is't that demanding for vrm it's 2600 i use to regular fan as intake to case on the top of the case and one pwm fan as exhaust the temp are very fine but in this format my gpu is little bit hot
@@FeintMotion I already saw it, and really the results of the MSI did not surprise me, I already expected it, its B450 are in some cases better than the 470 of other brands.
Thanks for this. The Tomahawk doesn't seem to be available anywhere in my area though but, there is the 'MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus' at a reasonable price of €199. Thanks again, Steve!
@@overbe Thanks, overbe. I've been looking over the features of the X570 though and comparing with the B450. I feel that the extra few euro will be worth it in the long run for the X570. Thanks for the tip though. Much appreciated. ;)
@@CNDTNRD x570 is worth getting only if you feel that might need some of those features in the future. Other wise not. There are some pretty trashy x570 boards VRM wise, so make sure you check VRM tier list. Afaik TUF GAMING X570-PLUS is the best value mobo.
I got a 6 month old used X470 Crosshair for 150 euros in August 2019. Got it running with a used ryzen 5 2600 and new 32GB 3200Mhz Ballistic RAM kit. Planning to upgrade to at least 12 cores when the prices come down.
Steve, we are counting on you! Be the hero that builds 3950X + best possible settings without manual overclocking, except on infinity fabric and base clock to finetune the maximum stable infinity fabric clock + best mobo + best AIO or custom watercooling + lowest latency ram (on the planet) + best possible timings (all possible subtimings too) that are stable at gaming/cinebench + all that can be done on software to get the fastest FPS. Like allocating all the processes for the lowest clocking CCX or perhaps on just one core on that CCX, and the rest for the game. Thus no context switching and cache is 100% reserved for the game. Based on all of the results, this should create the fastest gaming PC (at least if the best & worst cases are not averaged into the equation). And when that happens, that video would get pretty massive audience -> new subscribers, which you deserve!
Wow, I was actually going to buy the Asus STRIX B450-F Gaming this Monday with a Ryzen 7 2700X. But you changed my mind. I will instead buy the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC for 10€ more at 129€. And next year upgrade to the Ryzen 3950X. Thanks Steve!
Bought the MSI B450 Tomahawk based on Steve's recommendation half a year ago with a cheap Ryzen 5 2600. Nice to see that i could even put in a 16 core right now.
Thanks Steve. ;-)
me too
Same. Most of my hardware were thanks to HWUB recommendations.
Totally agree, was an excellent and indepth review backed up with the tear down by buildzoid. made it my only choice when i built my system
I love my Tomahawk, im beyond happy with it.
I got the msi b450 tomahawk g-skill flare x 3200hz cl14 b die 2x8 16gb memory with 3600x and im happy with my new computer build . The best part is i got a nice 3600x cpu 4460mhz on 4 cores 4399mhz on 2 cores.
Ah, the beauty of AM4.
Intel must be crying in a corner right now I suppose...
@@eurocrusader1724 Intel made itself pretty nice cash cushion to feel well by milking consumers for so many years.
I agree, PGA 1331 is a great socket. Got to love things Ryzen.
AM4+ where
@@eurocrusader1724 amd really pissed me off.... anouncing a product for 750€ what you can't buy and then you see it for 940€ (19% tax not included) pre order... i need it for my workstation (that was the plan... but when you want to see god laughing, make a plan!) for less than 400€ more i get a new threadripper... when it's for sale someday... somewhere... when you place a product, you have to sell it. the only 3950x i see is on some youtuber pages.... ha - ha
Tested in "best case" scenario and in "worst case" scenario.
I'm seeing myself out.
Don't! I will support your case!
Im not a big fan of asus b450 tuf
hold your ground there boi i got ur case backed up
wow, i was confused but then i got it lmao
@@ipadize I am embarrassed to admit that you're not alone.
I got a B450 Tomahawk Max with my 3600 and I’m happy to see that I can upgrade to a 16c Ryzen in the future.
Thank you Steve
i have the msi b450 basooka if i cop the 16c ryzen later in the future would it be compatible?
@@frostkev7993 well we've learnt this week than B450 wont support zen3, so if you mean the zen2 16c 3950x, yes, it should work as long as you dont OC
@@sergiomadureira9985 Im kinda new to computers but what is OC?
Frost Kev overclock
Sike you can't upgrade anymore
Meanwhile at Intel: "Best I can do is 8 cores and a fire extinguisher. Take it or leave it."
If it had any more threads you couldn't afford it
@@riccardo1796 Even then it still ends at 28 cores and 56 threads which can only clock high with an illegal (in western countries) chiller.
On my Asus Intel B85 chipset, I can't even run stock clocked i7 4770 at more than 10 minutes without getting it throttled because VRM temps. Forget the AVX load for more than 3-5 minutes and CPU goes way back to 800 MHz. I understand it's an entry-mid level board with 3 phases, but didn't expect to throttle it at stock clock. It's not like I am overclocking or something because it's not even allowed in B85 chipset.
Intel and Asus can suck each other's d I am never going to buy any board and CPU from these mofos.
@@deletevil That is pretty poor for stock settings. Asus also had some very bad B350 and B450 boards on the AM4 platform and these even allow overclocking. Their top end boards are very good but at the low-end or lower midrange you're better off with an MSI, ASROCK or GIGABYTE. You could try installing tiny heat sinks on the VRM's (the kind you sometimes see on a Raspberry Pi) and run a fan nearby for some extra airflow. It's a shame to see a good CPU like an i7 4770 to go to waste thanks to a bad motherboard. There's still a lot of life left in that CPU.
@@CheapBastard1988 yeah man, thanks for the info regarding AM4 boards. My bad I didn't do that before, I am used to calling it 4770 even though it is actually Xeon-E3 1246 V3 (exact Xeon replica of i7 4770 locked version). I found that undervolting it to 0.980v from 1.2v and locking it at 36x (no turbo :( at all now ) and disabling HT is the only way I can run this on this crap board. Never mind!
Not sure of lot of life on this one but yeah, it is still a good 40 - 80 fps gaming CPU even for modern AAA ones.
Looking out for the consumers as always. Keep up the good work, Steve and Tim!
I own the B450 Tomahawk Max with a R5 3600. Next year I'll probably snag a R9 3900X when they become a bit cheaper
Considering how recent and still great 3600 is, I'd keep it for a few years. Then you could even go for a foreseeable 4950X when it gets cheaper, as Ryzen 4000 family will be the last supported by current motherboards.
@@MrDarkSephirot no i think it was the 4000 series with intergrated graphics that will be on am4. I believe they said that the actual new cpu's will be on a new platform.
I will upgrade comp with ryzen 7 1800x or something similar.
realy u just buy 3600 and next year u will buy 3950x? smart ass
@@Pand0rasAct0r_ AMD made a commitment to maintain and support socket AM4 through 2020. That's why I believe we'll see the whole Ryzen 4000 family next year for AM4, with just the refined 7nm process (7nm+ with EUV). After that, the next logical step would be delivering new sockets in 2021 for Ryzen 5000 with a new 5nm process, maybe also with support for DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 (on 5/5/2021). Only joking about the date, it's just that I saw it on another comment lol (but who knows...). Of course, nothing is guaranteed and it could well be as you say, I haven't read about it.
Wow 16 core has different perspective now compare back 2-3 year ago
Well yeah? That's how it works with new technology..
@@Orcawhale1 intel doesnt agree with you with their almost forever 4core cpu xD
its 7nm technology tho
@One Piece Vines it doesnt matter though. It is better and there is nothing wrong with Zen 2 winning.
2011-2017 mainstream = 4/8
2017-2019 mainstream = 8/16
2019-???? mainstream = 16/32
Thanks AMD for change mainstream processors :D
Got the B450 Tomahawk based on your recommendation, even though I only got a Ryzen 3 2200G, because I wanted to keep my upgrade path open. Absolutely no regrets!
Sometimes if you are low on money better to buy best mobo you can and not that good CPU but still decent quad core to run until you upgrade to something stronger. Good decent board is a must. Not high end but decent.
@@PsychoCaki absolutely my thoughts when I bought the parts. Now I can drop in up to a 3900X and it will work just fine. I might even get away with a 3950X, not that I'll need that anytime soon!
@@nawarelsabaa Yes man absolutely. How much RAM do you have and whats your GPU? Im going for similar board and Ryzen 1600AF CPU. Gonna OC him and use with 2x8 DDR4 RAM 3200mhz. Now im using i7 2600k 16 gb ddr3 and r9270. Its gonna be sick build for all upcoming games and for my work also! Later on I will ugprade GPU to RX580 or maybe 5600xt if i grab enough money. I was thinking waiting b550 board and go with 3300x but price for decent b550 board when it launch will probably cost 150 dollars and its not gonna be worth since b550 will only support 3000 series and 4000 , not backward compatible, and only zen3 and PCI 4.0 not worth i think. Il just stick to b450 board since i can put 3900x later on if needed and similar and with this build wait for Ryzen 5000 series and AM5 in 2 years. But if we upgrade to 3900x we probably dont even need AM5 because 3900x will be beast so many years due to cores and threads.
@@PsychoCaki
I still haven't updated from the 2200G but I will most likely get a 3600/3700X and a decent GPU soon (I started a full-time job and can afford those soon).
The 2200G has served me extremely well for my usage and I might drop it into a cheap mATX board and make it into a NAS or something
@@nawarelsabaa Nice man. Those are all decent chips. My friend have 1200 Ryzen quad core and he game pretty much everything. Far Cry 4, Just Cause 3/4 , GTA V so he is happy. Its good to be a part of AMD these days. :)
I think I chose well when buying a Tomahawk B450. I have upgrade path for years
Just 3rd and 4th gen
No you don't. AM4 is getting replaced in 2021 due to DDR5.
Also, the whole upgrade path is a stupid argument, because your not changing cpu's that often, anyways.
If you got the 2500k back in 2011 and arn't playing any crazy demanding games, then your fine here in 2019, that's 8 years.
What's more by the time that your Ryzen chip is outdated. Even AMD's low end chip will be kicking the shit out of it. Just look at the current crop of Ryzen chips, and how they beat the piss out of the older chips, even Threadripper is rendered obsolete by Ryzen 9..
@@Orcawhale1 your argument makes me want to harpoon you. When you want to upgrade to a higher core CPU later, you won't need to change the motherboard, so the upgrade path is cheaper and easier!
@@lesibabambo1856 Can't say it better myself. Smh. What an absolute ignorant, idiot ---> @Orcawhale
@@Orcawhale1 The point here is you can go from a 2c/4t cheap athlon to a ballin 3950x on the same motherboard. That's unheard of and absolutely awesome for us computer lovers. Don't see how you can bash this, it's great progress and very consumer friendly.
Thank you my dude, i have bought the b450 tomahawk after i saw ur video a year ago, and i dont regret a thing.
Love ur channel, u always deliver
Love from Syria ❤
I like how you move teddy around! Please keep him in your videos
Maybe it is not Steve moving him around....?
*The Twilight Zone theme plays... *
Hey Steve, thanks for this awesome video! Could you perhaps consider doing the same kind of testing with the 3700X on a couple of B450 mainboards? Thats probably a more realistic pairing as of right now. And when heavily overclocked, the 3700X can also pull up to 150A from the VRM, which makes it most likely too demanding for most of the more entry level B450 bords.
Gotta love the B450M Mortar (MAX) with it's USB-C 10Gbps, same great VRM heatsink as the Tomahawk etc.
Mortar - no heatsink on SoC, but design similar to Tomahawk,
VRM - different mosfets. Mortar from SinoPower , on Tomahawk OnSemiconductor with some balance features.
@Aamir Am apu and io (like memory controller inside cpu), but tell that to the person whom I answered, not to me.
Unfortunately I bought a B450 Aorus Pro Wifi a few months ago, it was just impossible to find any B450 motherboards at that time. I don’t plan to use a 3950X in the near future, but it is good to see that it’s not impossible with this motherboard. Thanks a lot for your test!
I just built a PC with the b450 tomahawk max last week! Thanks for making me feel even better about my new build mate :)
Seeing Teddy in the background got me in the feels
Try it on the most recommended B350, the MSI Tomahawk
I wish I had seen your video about B-450 boards before I bought my Asus B450-F
I am using this board for about an year with a overclocked Ryzen 1700. Excellent motherboard, vrm temps are below 60 at full load.
I feel like he almost has a bad b450-f gaming board. Mine has never seen the temps his showed. 2600x with stock fan. And I have the corsair case he showed in this video with my fans in the same configuration.
@@richkar1127 this ^
@@brdon2099 yea. I know. What are you telling me? I don't think you saw that his asus b450 was hot in another video.
@@Dennzer1 I fully understand what I was being told. My reply was that his b450-f ran hot with a 2700x as well. My board has never seen those same temps. Which is why I say he must have a bad one.
Regardless of processor his b450-f runs hot and mine does not. As others have said as well.
Just going back here to say you were right, snagged a cheap 3900x a few months ago. Dropped straight into my MSI B450 Tomahawk Max, and was running in less than an hour. Cheers!
Feels like I’ll be golden with my Asrock B450M Pro. The upgrade from my 2600 is going to be massive in a couple of years.
This video really helped me settle on getting the b450 tomahawk whenever I snagged the 2700x on sale during black Friday. It's been a great motherboard so far!
Bought the B450 Tomahawk max last week based on your recommendation on the regular tomahawk. Now I love it even more.
Me too grab one 5 days ago coming from asus, my first msi mobo and im verry impressed
Great work as always Steve! As for the B450 Tomahawk Max Boards, they have been on Newegg and Amazon for a Few weeks now here in the US. I have Noticed it sells out fast when in stock! As of typing this I just saw it on Newegg for $115 US!
I love your Aussie straight delivery; praise where deserved, and honest trash talk when criticism is required. The companies must quake at the thought of these temperature tests.
Great vids Steve.
My b450 gaming f is the best investment I have ever made. It now supports the Ryzen 9 5950x and that is the most powerful and last cpu supported on the am4 socket this just makes me happy.
I'd like to add the MSI Mortar variants (Titanium, Max) to the list of recommended boards, in order to have some mATX option. They have the same VRM configuration than the Tomahawk, less the heatsink over SoC VRMs, but it works just fine without. These boards had some botched BIOS updates over the last year, but the latest version is smooth and stable.
Should i buy mortax or tomahawk?
Buildzoid prefers the Mortar (mATX) over the Tomahawk. I think the whole video is great but watch it from this time segment for the Mortar quick review:
th-cam.com/video/JGY2mqTn2rc/w-d-xo.html
I’m so glad I took your advice a year ago and grabbed a tomahawk on sale. Right now just running a 1700 but soon it will be beefed up by a ton!! Keep up the great content!
Josiah Koop get a bios update before you upgrade.
Great Test. Thanks for these more unusual videos, they are some of my favorite ones since this kind of information is really hard to get without buying the stuff yourself. AM4 sure is a nice platform.
I gotta thank you for making that B450 video a year ago,really helped me to pick up the Tomahawk and i gotta say i'm extremely happy with the board,i thought i can barely fit a Ryzen 7 3700x,but this video showed me that Tomahawk is an absolute beast,keep up the great work :D
I have a R5 1600X and a cheap-mid range B350 motherboard with Ryzen 3000 support. I hope an upgrade to the 3900X or the 3950X in a few years works out nicely.
Me too.. was hoping that they mention something about that.. guess we will have to wait for someone else to test it :-)
Ryzen 4 will probably be released on am4 too
Probably not ryzen 4 unfortunately. While Intel is basically scamming people with how frequently they update their motherboards, motherboards usually have to get upgraded eventually.
It's great AMD didn't pull and Intel and made things backwards compatible though. Much better for the consumer.
Have a highend b350f strix and 3700X , 0 Problems
I recently upgraded from a 1600x with a B350 Asus Prime Plus motherboard to a 3700x with the same motherboard. Works wonderfully.
Great content man! This is exactly what I was looking for.
I love my b450 tomahawk mb. Even though I have an R3-3200g paired with it, it was still the best bang for my buck brand new.
Pdubbed at least you have an Awesome Upgrade Path whit that Motherboard, how crazy is with a middle end MOBO you can upgrade to the Top of the Line CPU, you can’t do this whit Intel. 😆
max version or non max version bro ?
This video helped me so much. I bought a b450 tomahawk max and it works just as well as expected. Thank you Steve!
So happy that i got a MSI B450 Tomahawk 😂
Me too! I don't care about the upgrade path, but it's very good knowing this board is as strong as it is.
@@solfernus1337 yeah!🤘🏻
I’m glad I bought the b450-f from Asus, it may not have the best VRMs but it has much better features.
@EvilTurkeySlices lmfao, 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I have the gigabyte board...so, yay?
Sporting a Ryzen 2600 on a MSI Tomahawk as well! Thanks to HUB's recommendations we got a clear upgrade path for years.
HI TEDDY!
Amazing, I bought the b450 tomahawk with my 3700x so glad to see I can stick a 16 core inside in a few years.
PSA: The mortar is the matx version of the tomahawk.
They have the same VRM and the ATX version adds nothing of value anyway so just buy whichever's in stock
I'm continually impressed by the sheer amount of useful information I get from this channel. For those of us that have X470, this would also be useful but I'm assuming all should be well. Thanks again for all you do.
Very happy with my B450 Pro Carbon that I picked up for 110€ just prior to 3rd Gen release. Runs my 3700X beautifully and I'd definitely consider upgrading to a 3900X or 3950X (Or Zen3!) in 3-6 years time.
The best b450!, DDR5 is the only reason to change boar in the next 4 years.
As a guy who recently build his first pc with a B450 Tomahawk Max and an AMD 5 3600 this makes me really happy that I can more than double my core count while still getting good temps. Thanks for the great videos mate, it truly helped me picking the right parts for my pc, it's a beast now!
Stock or aftermarket cooler?
@@Sajmafor stock cooler works fine and doesn't limit performance a lot, after a month I got an aftermarket cooler which primarily gets lower temps, also boosts a little higher :)
Please make «Top 5 budget motherboards that can handle Ryzen 9 3950x»
ASUS TUF B450M-Pro Gaming performs with Ryzen 3900x even better than Tomahawk. And it's cheaper.
@@0namey why should you give fake infos?
@@0namey Not even close to the truth..
Sorry guys, I was wrong. Here is the list - i.redd.it/7n48gewun0p21.png
@@0namey do u work in Asus?
Using an MSIB450 GPC mobo and just got a 2nd hand 3900x for abt 450USD here in Singapore, warranty up until 2023! Can't wait and thanks for the assurance Hardware Unboxed 😊
No testing on the ASRock B450 Steel Legend? Seems like a decent alternative to the Tomahawk
Also the mATX version please
That thing is no match for the Tomahawk. IIRC pretty meh 4 phase design.
@@lienuslatetips4894 IDK, the Gaming K4 was second to the Tomahawk on Steve's prior testing on B450 boards, and well above the Asus and Gigabyte ones who failed miserably. If the Steel Legend has the same VRM it's not a bad choice, but that's the thing I'm not sure about
I bought the Asus ROG Strix B450 2 years ago when it came out with a R5 2600. Now that I am thinking to upgrade my processor I see I'll need a couple more ventilators as well. Great video!
Steve: We won't bother with A320 boards!
Bryan: Hold my beer!
At least we now know that even a crap am4 motherboard is still capable with 65 watt cpu's
@@terlaluanjay i have a320 mobo :::c
I recently purchased a The MSI B450 Tomahawk Max to go with my Ryzen 5 3600 heavily based off yours (Steve) and Buildzoid's recommendations and reviews of the vrms in hopes that I could do precisely this! I was really hoping that the upgrade path through higher end Ryzen 3000 and in to 4000 would be open to me with this solid board. I was going to go with the Pro Carbon but it turned out to be $50AUD extra including the factory BIOS update required for Ryzen 3000, so Tomahawk it was. Although, The B450-M Mortar's were very appealing, I just don't have a mATX case.. :( but the feature set is slightly better than the TOmahawk. Long story short, you have made me very happy Steve, thank you! Knowing that I can stick a 3950X in this build whenever the day comes that I can afford it is fantastic! :D
Legend!
Me looking at the 2600x in my b450 Tomahawk.....
Thanks for this video..I just built a Ryzen 2700x, B450 Tomahawk motherboard (partially got it after watching one of your videos!) , 2 x 8gb Corsair Vengeance 3200mhz RGB ram, w/Silverstone Primera 01 RGB case, added 2 140mm additional be-quiet fans on the interior top...couldn't be happier! Thermals are ridiculously good, even at load. The 2700x is at 4.1ghz, and the ram is at what I call "the sweet spot": 3200mhz. However, like many with this configuration and considering the idea of the newer generation of Ryzen Cpu's, etc...it's good to hear some really good news about the configuration I have currently...and what is possible for upgrades. The tomahawk b450 is a really, really solid and excellent performing MB. Again, thanks for this video and the benchmarks to take into consideration what's possible , the performance of the current boards/cpu's, and what's possible in upgrades.
How about X370 (SpecificallyAsus X370-Pro) since they also have BIOS upgrades to support Zen2 processors?
Bought 4x B450 Tomahawks in the $73-79 range (Amazon warehouse) in early 2020 largely in part to these reviews here. Paired them all with Ryzen 5 1600af’s when they were at $85. 3200mhz 16gb kits were $60-65 at the time. Excellent cheap upgrades for the family and media PCs. Thanks Hardware Unboxed!
2yrs later all the 1600AF's were sold off for $75,60,50 and 50. Now the 5x B450 Tomahawks boards have 3x 5600x and 2x 5600 to top them off for 3 or more years. Crazy low prices on the 5600x/5600 around $106-125ea for 4 of them. Overkill in the house with all PC's with 5000 series except the last 3600 is in the garage for music streaming and fix it videos. Even some light gaming with a GTX1080,B450,3600,16gb on 2560x1080p 60hz.
why did the asrock b450 gaming k4 excluded after it was shown in the beginning?
I'd like to know that also. Not that I'm going to build an ITX 3950X system. I have a 2600 right now (Steve's budget build from a little while back).
Probably because its a bad idea, maybe it doesnt even have support? Its an ISL95712 running as a 3 phase for the core, not sure i'd put a 16 core in it.
Effectively the reasons buildzoid usually points out with any asrock board they cut every corner they can. Width is shorter than ATX to save copper.
They used 6 individual sata connectors instead of the normal dual height ones.
They used the smallest vrm heatsinks they could (same shape as on some 4 phase gigabyte matx am3 boards from years ago but with more slots cut, not inherently a bad heatsink but could have been far better for this role).
Only 3 audio ports audio (green stereo, pink mic in, blue line in).
Thier bios's are usually broken.
@@tomstech4390 And yet that ASRock board had the the second best VRM thermals in the B450 video, which shows how crappy the Gigabyte and Asus boards are. I was expecting the ASRock results, the Steel Legend could be a better alternative to the Tomahawk
I don't think Asrock has officially released the new Agesa that supports the 3950X for previous gen boards.
@@thelegendaryklobb2879 Steel Legend sucks too, Asrock cut the Highside mosfet to 1 per phase. Let along the fact that they sell all steel legend with Nikosem and SM fets, good luck getting the SM version. With 1-Highside per phase this board is only comparable with B450M Pro-VDH and M2 from MSI. MSI is playing ball alone in the VFM B450 with Mortar/Tomahawk unfortunately.
Thanks for this video Steve, not 2 days ago I was looking for an i7 7700 to upgrade my system and thought they were way over priced for a part that is so old now, I did wonder if a B-NNN motherboard and an R5 combo would cost about the same or a bit more for better performance and now you get this video out.
Thanks, you're the man!
Love me some domino discount when newer ryzen comes out
2 years later and I'm back at watching this video to research the market. I'm on the market of upgrading to a5800x setup and w have some nice 2nd hand boards, some less than 100usd. thanks Steve, back to you Steve.
Am4 is the main reason i choose Amd, i am getting tired change my board when intel release new proc.
I'm still pleased with my MSI B350 Tomahawk board. It's been a pleasure to use, and my upgraded CPU (2700x) will sit in there quite nicely with zero problems when it arrives.
it's a very good processor.
i started saving money to buy it :-)
If i start saving now maybe i can get one in 5 years when they are cheaper XD
Would love to see what mini-itx boards can handle that chip. Keep the niche videos coming, I love them all and watch em' asap.
Hey @steve, plz test the msi b350 Tomahawk.
I've been looking at affordable parts for a secondary build. Had my eyes on the Tomahawk Max and either R5 2600 or 3600. I guess that would be a very safe pick :) Great video, Steve
Test on a Chinese a320
Fireworks :D
It limits to 4 cores, otherwise it would melt :(
That capable of runnjng 3990X.
All these motherboards are produced in China lol.
@@elsasslotharingen7507 He's talking about Chinese brands
Another happy customer with a MSI B450 Tomahawk and wating for big prices drops in cpu for a future upgrade.
Thanks Hardware Unboxed for the recommendation 👍
Watching this on a PC with i3 2100. My wait has ended. Time to go ryzen.
you must be a poor pleb.
@@Dr.WhetFarts not that poor. I have enough brain cells to realize that even after 7 years Intel's 8th gen CPUs don't get you at least 30% IPC increase if you upgrade. Not to mention same 4 core garbage untill 7th gen. I use my PC mainly for rendering. And use GPU for that. Because Intel Shit CPUs can't even get halfway close to GPUs in rendering. But this 3950X is fast as a mid-range GPU in rendering. So finally a CPU that can Render stuff.
2 cores, and I thought I was doing badly with an fx-6350.
@@matan8074 6350 is a monster compared to i3 2100. You can wait for 4th gen ryzen. Btw check newegg, there were crazy deals last night, I bought an Asrock 5700XT Taichi yesterday for 439 with free 5ghz Asrock G10 Router.
@@Pixel_FX FX-6300 NOT i3-6300, are CPUs are similar.
cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-2100-vs-AMD-FX-6300/m41vs1555
Got the MSI B450 Pro Carbon, on a excelent deal! Now i'm using the 3600x, but once the price for the 3900x or 3950x start to drop, i'll get one of those! Great video Steve!
9:26 My MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC would like a word with you.
Coming back and hearing how confident steve was about the pricing of the 3950x and then going to look at prices makes me chuckle. How could we have known lol.
I'm using a b450m steel legend (asrock), would it be able to run a 3950 without throttling issues?
It will have throttling issues if you don't put a fan in the back of the case
Thanks so much for making this video, I have been looking into upgrading my 1700 to a 3950x to get more cores and higher clocks. I use the gigabyte b450 aorus pro wifi and it has been a great board for the most part.
Did you do it yet? Same board, same cpu but I'm upgrading to 3900x.
If you did how's the cpu temperature? I use water cool.
What about b450 aorus elite what should i compare that to ? I mean is it the same as aorus pro
Cause i saw that some mobos with wifi have worse temps then their non wifi boards
My current sistem is
Ryzen 7 3700x
B450 aorus elite
16gb of 3600mhz 2x8kit asrock xpg rgb
Saphire puls rx 5700 xt
Seasonic 650w gold
2tb hdd seagate barracuda
256 adata sx8200pnp nvme ssd
Elite VRM=Pro VRM, but Pro has got more features
It packs the same VRM as Aorus Pro and Pro-WiFi so your temps will be same as the results in the video, hence 3950X shouldn't really be a problem but I'd still recommend some kind of airflow over the VRM. As for WiFi boards running a bit hotter, that's only the case when WiFi is being actively used as the WiFi Card typically is situated near the I/O panel under the VRM heatsink so it also pumps heat into the VRM. I don't think WiFi was being actively used for it to get hot in this video hence you should get same results with a non-WiFi board.
This is good to know for people thinking to upgrade and wondering how their current MOBO will perform. I'd like to see a video like this for X470 MOBOs.
A320? B350?
He said he won't bother with A320 motherboards
some b350 boards could do fine docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d9_E3h8bLp-TXr-0zTJFqqVxdCR9daIVNyMatydkpFA/edit#gid=611478281 a320 is just ehhh asking for a fire
I feel so proud I can see myself in this video, I have a Ryzen 5 2600 and B450 Tomahawk all thanks to the information in your reviews.
i have the msi b450 basooka if i cop the 16c ryzen later in the future would it be compatible?
An even better question would be if an A320 mobo could handle that XDD
Undervolted*
And I doubt it, maybe an undervolted Ryzen 7
Due to pandemic, I was able to settle to the B450 Aorus Pro Wifi to be paired with my Ryzen 7 3800X. Thank you for this Steve. I almost bought the B450 Strix good thing I watched this first.
C'mon B450 Tomahawk!
The MSI B450 Tomahawk I bought in 2020 has now had its second AMD Ryzen chip popped in (5 3600 to a 9 3950x) and it's always handled processing brilliantly. Such a good, affordable board for a business looking to squeeze every £€$ out of that purchase.
9:43 In Finland, Tomahawk B450 MAX available over 25 item. Hmmm, should I ?
100% do it!
Thank you for this great content!
Ik have a b450 tomahawk max motherboard and was currious what my upgrade perspectif was.
In your words " i'm golden"
X470 Boards next.
Thanks, I've been looking for an answer to this question since I have the MSI B450 pro carbon .. good to know I can use the 3950x to it's full potential.
How does it run on a X370 ? :D
depend on vrm if the vcore vrm contain 4 or more phrase its totally fine cz all the b450 mobo uz 4 phrase for soc gigabyte use the worst one & msi use the best one but everyone use 4 phrase on their b450 so check out ur mobos vrm phrase
I was eyeing a 3700x at Best Buy yesterday something told me to wait and I just walked out lol. I have a R5 2600x w/ a MSI Tomahawk mb and looks like I won't need to upgrade until 2021 by that time 3800x and 3950 will be much lower in price. This video just saved me a lot of money. Thanks Steve!
*gamedevelopers getting more cores* - " Great, now we dont need to optimise our code at all. lower development times = more money"
Results are about what I would expect. I've been running a 3900X on two MSI B450I Gaming Plus AC's for months now with zero problems, I'd expect the same for the 3950X. That said, I do set a reasonable power cap on the socket via NBIO/SMU in the BIOS (usually 120W or so) and match it against a Noctua tower cooler to keep temps below 60C at full load and to keep the whole system silent. These are blasted good CPUs.
-Matt
so...b450 pro carbon is good too?yay!!!i have that..xD
Its one of the best B450 boards (if not the best). And full of features. Intel LAN, HQ DAC, great vrms, great heatsinks, etc etc.
my B450M Mortar is so ready for a 4950x in a few years as an upgrade to my 3600. Thanks Msi for the great Board and thanks Buildzoid for the nice Heat sink analysis on the b450m mortar titanium :)
well i have the asus one
i put two fan on top of the vrm immidetly after i saw this vid
Did you notice significant temp difference with them reversed? I have seen cases where you are blowing hot air around it get hotter when proper ventilation isn't there, e.g. too much hot air not being expelled only gets the case hotter. Which you can quickly demonstrate when that is the case by pulling off the side and if the temperature goes down significantly, then your positive pressure is having the opposite effect where you are just blowing hot air around the case, making thing hotter. Now I want to say this guy knows what hes doing and has a reasonably good idea of the cases capability. However I have my doubts that a single 120 MM exhaust is adequate for those types of temps. I kind of feel on average, no one should be using 3 fans to cool a good gaming system. That being said, I find it hard to believe that you wouldn't get a good result from fans pulling hot air out from the top of the case, especially with these vrm's running as hot as they are, given that there is a lot of positive pressure in the case and not a lot of exhaust.
Now while I don't know much detail on how the case he used looked inside, i.e. cpu cooling solution, gpu etc, gpus tend to exacerbate the problem. At least the large ones that run hot with multifans. They blow the air around the case and expect the case to remove the hot air flow vs a blower cooler that pulls in air and pushes it out the back of the video card, which is less common, so I think that should have been considered with a gaming or graphical use case for real world scenario. However they were mostly looking at VRM. I just hope they didn't do a disservice to fans in getting them to reverse their fans. Given that you are not on a 3950x, I can only imagine you might be better off not having your fans reversed. A b450 was never considered to have a 12 core or 16 core running on it, I doubt your VRM would be pushed that high where it runs that hot. In this scenario, maybe he has the optimal configuration, I have some doubts and in your case I doubt you are improving your cooling performance by doing this, even if it directly helps cool the VRM. I mean, unless you are running a 3900x overclocked, I just doubt you are pushing the VRM as much as it is here under load.
I have worked around this cooling area a bit and have some knowledge of getting optimal cooling. Mostly because I had a lot of intel people tell me their cpu is running at 80c+ and then I get to view their computer and see how bad their cooling requirements are being met(sure this has dropped significantly since intel stopped using TIM under their cpu lids). Ever since the industry went to tempered glass, we lost out on one useful feature that made all components run a bit cooler, side fans(which some water coolers have sort of left those components to cool themselves). They helped where downward cpu blower fans used to. They often helped cool everything around the cpu, from vrm to memory. Now we just have to rely on proper front intake and rear exhaust.
So in the case of having a high end gpu, and cpu, I just don't see how it would be wise to have 4 intakes and one 120mm exhaust. Especially if you had a fan blower cpu cooler in this case. Doesn't seem logical, even an all in one radiator cooler just sounds like a bad idea in this scenario, but I understand this was mostly to test out the VRM performance.
@@JeordieEH well my cpu is't that demanding for vrm it's 2600
i use to regular fan as intake to case on the top of the case and one pwm fan as exhaust
the temp are very fine but in this format my gpu is little bit hot
guys , i'm leaving in iran and we the internet was blocked for almost a week
sorry for not responding
fuck this shit hole
Nice. This time of uploads is back.
B450 + 16 core? Time for some suicide run, xD. Also, are you planing to do your typical 35 game test on this chip?
Ya gotta watch the video m8
It's more efficient than the previous gen 8 core.
shut up
@@Rentta Indeed, but people get crazy for anything, just look the comment behind.
@@FeintMotion I already saw it, and really the results of the MSI did not surprise me, I already expected it, its B450 are in some cases better than the 470 of other brands.
Thank you for this! I can finally sleep again, not overthinking which one to buy on a budget!
That is the information I needed! Thanks and GG!
Msi B450M Mortar here, bought the last one in Canada last year, paired with a 2600X. Good to know im set!
Thanks for this. The Tomahawk doesn't seem to be available anywhere in my area though but, there is the 'MSI MPG X570 Gaming Plus' at a reasonable price of €199. Thanks again, Steve!
103 eur in ComputerUniverse. There is also B450m Mortar for 95.
@@overbe Thanks, overbe. I've been looking over the features of the X570 though and comparing with the B450. I feel that the extra few euro will be worth it in the long run for the X570. Thanks for the tip though. Much appreciated. ;)
@@CNDTNRD x570 is worth getting only if you feel that might need some of those features in the future. Other wise not. There are some pretty trashy x570 boards VRM wise, so make sure you check VRM tier list. Afaik TUF GAMING X570-PLUS is the best value mobo.
love seeing the r7 1800x :) been running with it since release still running so tough with a overclock. longest lasting cpu i’ve ever had.
I got a 6 month old used X470 Crosshair for 150 euros in August 2019. Got it running with a used ryzen 5 2600 and new 32GB 3200Mhz Ballistic RAM kit. Planning to upgrade to at least 12 cores when the prices come down.
Very well done Steve. In depth useful data with unbiased recommendation.
Steve, we are counting on you! Be the hero that builds 3950X + best possible settings without manual overclocking, except on infinity fabric and base clock to finetune the maximum stable infinity fabric clock + best mobo + best AIO or custom watercooling + lowest latency ram (on the planet) + best possible timings (all possible subtimings too) that are stable at gaming/cinebench + all that can be done on software to get the fastest FPS. Like allocating all the processes for the lowest clocking CCX or perhaps on just one core on that CCX, and the rest for the game. Thus no context switching and cache is 100% reserved for the game.
Based on all of the results, this should create the fastest gaming PC (at least if the best & worst cases are not averaged into the equation). And when that happens, that video would get pretty massive audience -> new subscribers, which you deserve!
Wow, I was actually going to buy the Asus STRIX B450-F Gaming this Monday with a Ryzen 7 2700X.
But you changed my mind. I will instead buy the MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC
for 10€ more at 129€.
And next year upgrade to the Ryzen 3950X.
Thanks Steve!