We can’t make and keep America Great by promoting the cause of Chinese packaging industry! Just think of the journey these boxes were on to get into your hands! BTW, So far, after just 2 hours, 3 dudes unsubscribed. Yet, during the same period, 4 new subscribers jumped on board! No regrets and am very proud to represent the tribe!
I knew from the beginning that you were a different sort of knife reviewer/channel. I appreciate your perspective on making less trash & using more responsible packaging. I have often muttered when watching an 'unboxing' video, "stop making us pay for fancy packaging & put that money into the knife or back in our pockets." This is a good topic & again shows even though you favor Benchmade you are not timid to call them out on their misguided practices.
There was one knife shop in Dallas that couldn't find the box for a cypher my uncle bought so they gave him like 10 percent off. I'd take that deal every time lol.
This is an important point for the knife industry and community. Good on ya for bringing this up, hopefully it gains more traction and leads to better packaging.
I’m with you 💯 %. I hate when they spend money on packaging, handkerchiefs, bags, cans etc. I would rather get a better knife or a cheaper knife. All the Utubers gushing over packaging with anime characters on it 🙄 I appreciate minimal packaging and maximum quality and minimal price. Definitely not today’s Benchmade😂 I’ve seen programs saying that most of the recycling material is exported and ends up in the ocean. It would be better in a landfill. But not making it at all is a real solution. I always appreciate your honest reviews!
Hate to break it to everyone but 98% off all the plastic you recycle goes to the same place your garbage goes, even if its labeled the most recyclable plastic still does not actually get recycled. We used to sell our plastic recyclables to China but now they have entirely to much as well so now we take the recycling we are able to use to make new things and throw the rest away. We throw out more than is made. Keep recycling but dont think its going anywhere but where it would go if you didn't
Good points. Reducing consumption is the way to go. Minimalism keeps the world cleaner and will hopefully lead me to earlier retirement. Unfortunately, I think we are doomed and on our way to extinction. There are just too many humans and we tend to love houses, cars, and stuff.
I wish companies would quit trying to sell their knife by a fancy box and start focusing on those plunge grinds and upgrade to T-8 all around. 😅 Seriously, actually innovate and improve.
@@mel87123 Well, whether or not something gets recycled is a big question, off course! But, not to fact-check Jared, China stopped buying recycled glassware from the US in retaliation to tariffs imposed during Prez Trump’s first term in the office. They are still gabbling up our cellulose based refuse - cardboard, paper etc. Plastics as well: polycarbonate, polyethylene etc.
@@tmille10 unfortunately, the knife market place is so over saturated with nearly identical knives, the only way for a company is to spice up the packaging! Look around and you’ll see that every knife (with few exceptions) is a more or less expensive version of Malibu, Ultratech, Sebenza, 940 Osborne, Izula, Strongarm and LUDT.
Nah you’re totally right. The packaging has gotten pretty egregious. I’m loathe to throw out the 30+ unused zip-up knife pouches I’ve received, knowing exactly where they’ll end up. And the foam, my god, all the needless foam! Nonetheless, Happy Birthday! Hope you find yourself a great knife to celebrate. 🥳
Personally, even if the company offers the box (and we all know they don't do that, they're in for a buck) I don't want trash. Even if it's reusable, the process of making and recycling stuff is polluting in itself. That's why I don't buy much stuff, and usually durable stuff. Less consumption.
@CuttingBoardRx did you ever recieve my email ? You made a reply like this to me back at the beginning of July. I had a typo in your email address that I discovered 3 weeks later & sent one with the correct email for you but haven't heard or seen anything from you.
you are absolutely correct! this also goes to show that benchmade puts profit before anything else, even before the environment. this is an absolute outrage!!
I most definitely agree with everything you said and it's why I follow you and actually watch the videos in the entirety. I can't stand over done packaging that I have no use for other than trash. Give me simple and serviceable packaging on EVERYTHING and lower the product the cost savings in that reduction from the over done packaging. I want all my money going in to the product, not the packaging.
I fully agree with you on this. I hate that I was also forced to pay more for a fancy box. It will either sit on my shelf and do nothing and eventually end up in the trash.
I saw this huge packaging for their tiny knives and thought the same thing. Awful for the world we live in. I'd rather buy Cold Steel with their impressively minimalist packaging.
They’d have been smart to save money on the box and put it into the sheath for that knife. I used to get a lot more worked up about packaging than I do these days, but there’s no need for all that excess material. Happy Birthday!
I think I agree with the poster you outed…..Packaging is something that is super important to the success of a product. Companies spend a lot of time on designing packaging. It’s the first thing people see when they are interested in a product. While I agree with using recycled materials it’s not always possible. So when one of your viewers who probably works in packaging is kindly telling you are commenting on a subject which you have no experience, probably shouldn’t out his comment in video maybe send him your email and ask for a discourse. Kinda like hey CBRx design me some packaging that cost this much and causes the customer to have an emotional reaction. Lots of retail psychological factors with colors, fonts, pictures, shelf space size, etc….i just don’t believe you CBRx has ever done the process of designing professional packaging. Personally I hate the tediousness of it(watch shark tank one of the first things those sharks do change the packaging)…Secondly for knife collectors having the original packaging often adds a significant cost so decent packaging helps you resell a Knife and prove it’s the real deal. So packaging to cheap bad customer experience(I hope McNees and Hinderer see this your packaging sucks guys)and packaging thats to expensive adds too much cost the customer doesn’t want to pay for or need. I guess my point don’t complain about packaging when you haven’t designed the packaging or have a product sold in packaging. I mean the knife industry thinks you CBRx are a Russian subversion operation designed to suck the American knife prices down and put American knife makers out of business…LMAO…. CBRx your content is being talked about by Dr Larrin Thomas mouth on a regular basis. One of his Zealots was just on exclaiming why Dr Larrin process to collect data is correct and yours is not. Which is hilarious because both of you aren’t peer reviewed but somehow his science is more correct than yours. He likes to break “ cheater news” on companies that won’t buy his steel or degrade any other opinion that doesn’t line up with selling more Magnajunk.
@@roady7420 I haven’t seen any comments from the good doctor, for whom I have deep respect. And he’s not paid commission for developing MagnaCut. The one thing he came up with that, IMHO, is very misleading is the point system to rate steels. Why: because he took a snap shot of the steels at their best level of performance. And, as we now know, almost no mass producer of knives heat treats that well. Hogue, Demko and Cold Steel are the only ones that seem to follow his recommendations vs the official data sheets on Crucible site.
I almost didn't make it through your excessively long comment, but then I saw the Russian BS at the end. I think and certainly hope you were joking. Good luck finding a more patriotic American than CBRx. As far as complaining that he shouldn't post his review of packaging because it is not his occupation is total nonsense. He can discuss whatever topic he likes as long as he isn't breaking site rules. You or I could do the same. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch.
@@mel87123 well I guess some people don’t like R jokes. Really I was just creating the next great American conspiracy! CBRx vs Dr Thomas. Science fight….lmao….i have no ill will, just standing up for the packagingperts and having a little trolling fun. we don’t need if then statements to resolve this on yt…let’s take our fingers off the button(shit another R joke). Ohhhhhhh noooooo!!!!!!
@@mel87123 are you so concerned of politics you would come to knife packaging video to find your political foes? Your assuming and reading what you want to read but I promise their is no pizza gate operation going on…..sometimes comedy offends…what sound does the nuts you mentioned make…like a crushed walnut or maybe pistachios…😂
@@robertmiller6822 as expensive as these knives have become I think alot of people are keeping the packaging...but I guess even if its a 100 years down the road eventually it'll be thrown away so the more biodegradable the better.
@CuttingBoardRx yeah I don't keep them in the boxes most are scattered round the house and in my bedside table and little knife cases but the boxes I've still kept, I suppose I used to collect all my archery equipment boxes now it just goes in trash unless I definitely wanna resale it.
@@Robert-vb9gh Thanks for agreeing and for commenting! Our voice will not be heard by the industry until the channel hits 50K subscribers. You can help by subscribing and sharing my content with friends.
I bought a Mini Adira & even though I love it, I gotta admit the box design was totally unnecessary. It's great & all, but not a Gold Class or anything, sheesh. Just put it in a cardboard box & charge me $30 less, while reducing waste.
Dude, that box is ridiculous! I agree with you 100%. I would so much rather a company send me a product in a paper bag with cotton fluff for protection. Everything would be biodegradable, and I would appreciate that sooooo much more! And at 12.3 oz, the Benchmade box is probably heavier than the knife it came in! That’s a little bit overkill
@@CuttingBoardRx good point, that could be the case. Either way, it’s sad when companies care about packaging their product more then they care about our planet
@@CuttingBoardRx I recently bought a 940 and 945 Osbornes in Magnacut. Brand new product but old Benchmade box. Easily could have changed the dimensions of the box and still had something unique like making the box reflect its a water series. Blue box = Blue class, Black box = Black class, Gold box = Gold class. So why Water series = unnecessary fancy magnetic box that is massive despite carrying a 6.5 inch Intersect
I already knew about the trash island, it is important to talk about that, people have to know. Thanks. In Asia, because of cultural reasons, the packaging is considered very important, and in China or Japan, for example, everything is sold in beautiful packages. In general, in asian culture, how everything, people, or things appear, is as important as they really are. How beautiful and perfect is the skin of fruits is considered as important as the taste. I have personal experience with Japan, and they tend to use a lot of plastic. Fortunately, they have an incredibly efficient recycling sistem, everithing is cleaned and separated in the base of the material in order to recycle it. I have no experience on the recycling in China. For us, as Western culture people, what is inside the box is more important than the box, what in in the heart of a person is more important than the clothes this person is wearing, usually. And I don't give a Shit on the skin if a fruit tastes good!. We should continue on our path, in my opinion. Of course, a commercial item has to be attractive, I understand that, but if the company goes too far on it, and in a non responsible way, I see it as a scam.
@CuttingBoardRx reading again my long comment, I can see that I generalized. Not everyone is like that. Anyways, it is a tendency I've noticed in the Asian society.
Awesome video. I see it as a sneaky ploy by benchmade to help justify the rising price of their knives. Thank you for bringing up the eco consciousness angle. No point trashing the planet to "make a better impression". 🙄
your not wrong about Benchmade. They have done everything possible to not sell knives yet because they are usually the premium brand in a big box store people still buy their knives(those fucking glass cases gotten so many people). Benchmade won’t change till their sales are affected then they will start listening. Imagine how much money Benchmade left on the table had they sold a budget bugout or kept up with demand at the original price point. 154 cm/s30v bugout for 100 bucks. Look at Spyderco doing pretty much the same thing Benchmade does but because they have a budget line and respond to customers people love them…I am a convert.
This video is kind of fun :D That box was made to be reusable. Take out the foam, or recut it to house something else. A nice box to put things in. Someone else might like it, perhaps with a gift inside. Otherwise if you really want rid of it, burn it nice and hot. To attack single use plastics and waste, I'd go after the every day use items like water bottles, coffee cups, food packaging etc. 'Not many peopje buying a Benchmade a day along with their soda and microwave meals. If you put a knife in a biodegradable wrap and that knife sells decades down the line, as often happens with NOS knives, how do you suppose that will work out? Bearing in mind that off-gassing plastics can cause tarnishing and degradation of materials? You might want to put some knives in poop bags so that you can monitor how well that works for at least as long as you're still around. There's also a thing called waxed paper. Been around for a while. Buy a Case XX knife, that comes in a little cardboard box, and that is what your knife will come wrapped in. I wasn't subscribed and I like knife content that looks at the knives. Cheers!
I think they only did that for the Shadow. The Atom, Neutron and Nerd I received from them all came in the usual pull-out boxes filled with foam. 😒 Personally, the only sugarcane box I’ve ever received was with a Demko AD20.5 in 3V and titanium. It would be great if someone would make it standard but I bet they cost quite a bit extra.
I understand what you are saying but a lot of folks keep the box from an expensive knife. This is just another reason for me to not like Benchmade haha anyways Happy Birthday brother!
@@CuttingBoardRx Yes same here bro I had to start getting rid of the boxes for my "Keepers" due to not having space. Also my wife is not fond of boxes everywhere! haha
Agree. Just got a Drop Bear and a Bel Air. Kershaw is way more responsible. Kizer has way to much fluff and waste. I don't need or want those "fancy" zip up knife pouches and stickers. For those unsubscribes,,, if I could subscribe here twice I would.
The box probably makes it more difficult to counterfeit and more expensive to ship that box from China. I’d imagine it’s tougher to replicate that box than it is their knives
hello, friendly suggestion. you can get an ozark trial knife in d2 steel pvd coated with crossbar lock and bearings with orange frn scales for 10 dollars at walmart now. please test the hrc. thank you
The box is a speck of a speck when considering what goes into manufacturing a knife. I'm all for not wasting shit, but it's hard to take your posturing on sustainability seriously while standing in front of 100s of excess knives. Would you consider your collection a waste of natural resources?
Yep, it is all relative. Like comparing a two story McMansion and an efficiency apartment. An SUV and a bicycle. Air conditioning and opening a window. The box however has no use for a lot of people and will become landfill. Why then not minimize the packaging and make it out of sustainable, biodegradable and/or recyclable materials? At least the knives are useful and durable (depending on the quality). Good ones can last a lifetime and they can transfer ownership if no longer needed.
Well perhaps my knife collection is a waste, but about 95% of them are US-made, so I feel like I support an American metalworker’s family for 1-2 months out of a year. My income taxes, on the other hand, support some family of 4 the whole year and THAT is a waste!
@CuttingBoardRx you can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to, to justify it to yourself. I'm not against reducing waste, I just don't like preaching hypocrits. It's much like the people who celebrate paper straws while still upgrading their phone/car annually. You can criticise the packaging without pretending to be an environmental crusader. I'm sure BM uses the same argument about supporting families in favour of the boxes. Maybe an anti-China approach would be more believable.
You have to understand that you and people who watch this channel see things in a more practical way as people who view knives for the knife. A person is going to look at the package in a store and make a mental correlation Water, Dad, Knife, Fishing, Male Gift, Christmas. Dads going to open a Adira or Undercurrent and think "why would I need this for catch and release trout fishing?". For me you can ship a knife in toilet paper and I would be happy if I was happy with the knife.
A cool box is a cool box and will end up as a decoration but when there isn’t a box like when I ordered my AD20.5 it was just a plastic sleeve. Still probably not recyclable but less waste is still less waste, it makes me happy. Less impact on the environment and less reason for me to justify keeping the box.
One use plastic should really have some restrictions. It’s getting out of hand with the amount of trash we make. Especially concerning packaging, for knives or otherwise. Food packaging is especially bad in my opinion, it’s literally a consumable. If you want Oreos you need to buy it with all the packaging. You can’t just buy the cookies and put them in a reusable sealed container at the store.
I agree with your thoughts on oversized packaging for pocket knives. It is ridiculous. I also suspect that the majority of today’s Knife enthusiasts get some sort of gratification from their knives being shipped in a oversize package filled with cheap trinkets. I can appreciate most USA knife makers, sending their knives in minimalist packaging for me everyone wins and I save money. The maker has lower overhead in the planet isn’t robbed or polluted with trash..
Love how you didn’t hold back even though benchmade commented on your previous video. I agree that knife packing is useless. I keep my old packaging in case I ever decide to sell and prefer less packaging. Aluminum would be preferable IMO.
In many ways Benchmade has jumped the shark. QC needs to improve. They need to lower the BM tax. They need to disclose more info on their steels/heat treats and HRC ratings.
I totally agree! Someone said wow that comes is a fancy box and my reply was and I probably paid for it and look at all the plastic that’s not recyclable… I use to price out special orders at a home improvement store and I’ll use a blind so I’m looking up what the company paid to have it made and what it’s selling for. $160 dollar blind that cost the store $5.35 to order and have it built. Ridiculous
@@bendoe5863 Great point! But actually, cellulose based plastic is both stable and biodegradable. Just look at the capsules in the medicines 💊 💊 💊 💊 they stay solid for years. EDiT: how come you’re not a subscriber?
This channel does not charge you (billfish57) money to watch it. It is easy to criticize someone from the comfort of your armchair but criticizing your fellow Samaritan solves nothing. There are people who get paid to review and critique. Judging by your spelling and grammar (billfish57), you are not one of those people. Try staying in your lane.
To be fair anyone that participates in a hobby that promotes excessively collecting consumer products is doing some level of harm to the planet. If you bought only one benchmade considering its lifetime warranty being your only knife, yes the packaging is problematic but not as bad as buying dozens of Chinese knives in eco friendly boxes. Also almost nobody i know that buys benchmade knives throw away their boxes.
@@CuttingBoardRx That's my point, your tripping over a non recyclable box.. yet you have 300 knives the kind of pollution that put out producing 300 knives is so much worse than one box. Kind of makes your point look silly. I don't care what you do, just seems like if you really cared about that planet so much you wouldn't be buying 300 knives that are equally un recyclable. And no I don't really know that much about your channel, but I do know finding literally any reason to shit on benchmade seems very popular in the knife community. Anyways this isn't meant to be an attack just my thoughts.
Great perspective! As much as SOME people get a positive first impression from extravagant packaging, SOME of us actually see it as a negative. I've always appreciated Spyderco's minimal packaging. Unfortunately, Benchmade has been making a lot of decisions that emphasize appearance over function and practicality.
It's your channel, so you get to say whatever you choose. If Billfish57 doesn't like it he doesn't have to watch. I'm glad you spoke about this. It doesn't necessarily bother me that much, but as you stated, you know all of that packaging added heavily to the cost of the knife. That I find ridiculous. Thank you for this video.
Hate to be a contrarian but I like the Benchmade box and it's cardboard and foam not plastic, so if the foam is reasonably biodegradable then I don't see a problem. Also if there was a super simple box with no foam, people would complain about that to. And is the included microfiber cloth for cleaning your knife really something to complain about? I don't always agree with Benchmade either but I mean come on...and what about the foam in the spyderco boxes?
@@leeward6762 Respectful difference of opinions is always welcome on my channel! The layered or pressed cardboard would be a much better choice as I illustrated in this very video.
@@CuttingBoardRx yeah, I agree the cardboard or biodegradable foam would be better, but what they got now isn't horrible, plastic clamshell packaging is horrible...appreciate the response
Just received a knife from North Arm in Canada (Skaha ll). Opened the box it was shipped in and the knife was in a plastic bag with a rubber band around it. That was sitting on some type of straw. That’s it other than a slip of paper on proper care. I’d be happy to see others shipped out the same way. Definitely minimalist.
Everyone gets so bent out of shape over recycling but the fact is, it all mostly gets dumped into the same pile snd recycling proces itself creates alot of pollution. Just throw it out and move on.
So because we are doing a bad job, we shouldn’t try to be better? But the bigger issue is that the blame lies with the businesses using this crap. Still worth calling them out for doing dumb shit.
Bro who made that comment thinks he's smarter than everyone, is sexist, has poor communication skills, aaaaaand doesn't realize that most of us order things online anyways so the box is irrelevant when we decide to pay 😂
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We can’t make and keep America Great by promoting the cause of Chinese packaging industry! Just think of the journey these boxes were on to get into your hands! BTW, So far, after just 2 hours, 3 dudes unsubscribed. Yet, during the same period, 4 new subscribers jumped on board! No regrets and am very proud to represent the tribe!
@@CuttingBoardRx people unsubscribing over this is crazy...but yeah you'll gain more than you'll lose
That joke was my first genuine lol today 😄 gj!
Nothing but support for this cause ❤
@@leeward6762 Thanks for this comment! Question: What can I do better to earn your subscription?
@@SkunkPunch73 thanks for watching
I knew from the beginning that you were a different sort of knife reviewer/channel. I appreciate your perspective on making less trash & using more responsible packaging. I have often muttered when watching an 'unboxing' video, "stop making us pay for fancy packaging & put that money into the knife or back in our pockets."
This is a good topic & again shows even though you favor Benchmade you are not timid to call them out on their misguided practices.
I sincerely appreciate this comment! I don’t work for Benchmade or BHQ, or Reate! I work for you.
I wish they had an option of me paying $5 less and getting just the knife without a box.
More like $15-20 less!
There was one knife shop in Dallas that couldn't find the box for a cypher my uncle bought so they gave him like 10 percent off. I'd take that deal every time lol.
I fully support your view on the carelessness of benchmade and many other companies.
We are many. We need to be heard!
Is the butterfly tax just paying for more packaging? That looks like an expensive box.
This is an important point for the knife industry and community. Good on ya for bringing this up, hopefully it gains more traction and leads to better packaging.
Benchmade is the second largest knife company in USA and 4th or 5th in the world!
I’m with you 💯 %. I hate when they spend money on packaging, handkerchiefs, bags, cans etc. I would rather get a better knife or a cheaper knife.
All the Utubers gushing over packaging with anime characters on it 🙄
I appreciate minimal packaging and maximum quality and minimal price. Definitely not today’s Benchmade😂
I’ve seen programs saying that most of the recycling material is exported and ends up in the ocean. It would be better in a landfill. But not making it at all is a real solution.
I always appreciate your honest reviews!
Hate to break it to everyone but 98% off all the plastic you recycle goes to the same place your garbage goes, even if its labeled the most recyclable plastic still does not actually get recycled. We used to sell our plastic recyclables to China but now they have entirely to much as well so now we take the recycling we are able to use to make new things and throw the rest away. We throw out more than is made. Keep recycling but dont think its going anywhere but where it would go if you didn't
Good points. Reducing consumption is the way to go. Minimalism keeps the world cleaner and will hopefully lead me to earlier retirement. Unfortunately, I think we are doomed and on our way to extinction. There are just too many humans and we tend to love houses, cars, and stuff.
I wish companies would quit trying to sell their knife by a fancy box and start focusing on those plunge grinds and upgrade to T-8 all around. 😅 Seriously, actually innovate and improve.
@@NeevesKnives Thanks for watching!
@@mel87123 Well, whether or not something gets recycled is a big question, off course! But, not to fact-check Jared, China stopped buying recycled glassware from the US in retaliation to tariffs imposed during Prez Trump’s first term in the office. They are still gabbling up our cellulose based refuse - cardboard, paper etc. Plastics as well: polycarbonate, polyethylene etc.
@@tmille10 unfortunately, the knife market place is so over saturated with nearly identical knives, the only way for a company is to spice up the packaging! Look around and you’ll see that every knife (with few exceptions) is a more or less expensive version of Malibu, Ultratech, Sebenza, 940 Osborne, Izula, Strongarm and LUDT.
Nah you’re totally right. The packaging has gotten pretty egregious. I’m loathe to throw out the 30+ unused zip-up knife pouches I’ve received, knowing exactly where they’ll end up. And the foam, my god, all the needless foam!
Nonetheless, Happy Birthday! Hope you find yourself a great knife to celebrate. 🥳
I couldn't agree more. It's not about the box! This is just common sense. And thank you for your channel.
Thanks for watching!
Personally, even if the company offers the box (and we all know they don't do that, they're in for a buck) I don't want trash. Even if it's reusable, the process of making and recycling stuff is polluting in itself. That's why I don't buy much stuff, and usually durable stuff. Less consumption.
@@ARAW-__- I would like to get your shipping address to send you something. Can you email me?
@CuttingBoardRx did you ever recieve my email ?
You made a reply like this to me back at the beginning of July. I had a typo in your email address that I discovered 3 weeks later & sent one with the correct email for you but haven't heard or seen anything from you.
Knife Lennin's DEEP CUTS: Quit selling us extra trash comrades!
you are absolutely correct! this also goes to show that benchmade puts profit before anything else, even before the environment. this is an absolute outrage!!
This would never happen if Les was still alive. The committee decision-making at BM must stop!
Great video, with an even better message. I as well will be celebrating my birthday on the 24th. Happy Birthday
Do you know that we share our birthday with late Sean Connery and Mt. Vesuvius eruption? Happy birthday!
Finally, a much needed review on packaging!
Happy Birthday CBRx!
I most definitely agree with everything you said and it's why I follow you and actually watch the videos in the entirety. I can't stand over done packaging that I have no use for other than trash. Give me simple and serviceable packaging on EVERYTHING and lower the product the cost savings in that reduction from the over done packaging. I want all my money going in to the product, not the packaging.
Exactly! And I appreciate you being a subscriber!
You are right. I hate excess packaging! So wasteful
@@heavyweightsound thanks for sharing your thoughts and for subscribing to this channel!
I fully agree with you on this. I hate that I was also forced to pay more for a fancy box. It will either sit on my shelf and do nothing and eventually end up in the trash.
Exactly!
I saw this huge packaging for their tiny knives and thought the same thing. Awful for the world we live in. I'd rather buy Cold Steel with their impressively minimalist packaging.
They’d have been smart to save money on the box and put it into the sheath for that knife. I used to get a lot more worked up about packaging than I do these days, but there’s no need for all that excess material. Happy Birthday!
@@MrBowser2012 exactly!
I think I agree with the poster you outed…..Packaging is something that is super important to the success of a product. Companies spend a lot of time on designing packaging. It’s the first thing people see when they are interested in a product. While I agree with using recycled materials it’s not always possible. So when one of your viewers who probably works in packaging is kindly telling you are commenting on a subject which you have no experience, probably shouldn’t out his comment in video maybe send him your email and ask for a discourse. Kinda like hey CBRx design me some packaging that cost this much and causes the customer to have an emotional reaction. Lots of retail psychological factors with colors, fonts, pictures, shelf space size, etc….i just don’t believe you CBRx has ever done the process of designing professional packaging. Personally I hate the tediousness of it(watch shark tank one of the first things those sharks do change the packaging)…Secondly for knife collectors having the original packaging often adds a significant cost so decent packaging helps you resell a Knife and prove it’s the real deal. So packaging to cheap bad customer experience(I hope McNees and Hinderer see this your packaging sucks guys)and packaging thats to expensive adds too much cost the customer doesn’t want to pay for or need. I guess my point don’t complain about packaging when you haven’t designed the packaging or have a product sold in packaging.
I mean the knife industry thinks you CBRx are a Russian subversion operation designed to suck the American knife prices down and put American knife makers out of business…LMAO…. CBRx your content is being talked about by Dr Larrin Thomas mouth on a regular basis. One of his Zealots was just on exclaiming why Dr Larrin process to collect data is correct and yours is not. Which is hilarious because both of you aren’t peer reviewed but somehow his science is more correct than yours. He likes to break “ cheater news” on companies that won’t buy his steel or degrade any other opinion that doesn’t line up with selling more Magnajunk.
@@roady7420 I haven’t seen any comments from the good doctor, for whom I have deep respect. And he’s not paid commission for developing MagnaCut. The one thing he came up with that, IMHO, is very misleading is the point system to rate steels. Why: because he took a snap shot of the steels at their best level of performance. And, as we now know, almost no mass producer of knives heat treats that well. Hogue, Demko and Cold Steel are the only ones that seem to follow his recommendations vs the official data sheets on Crucible site.
I almost didn't make it through your excessively long comment, but then I saw the Russian BS at the end. I think and certainly hope you were joking. Good luck finding a more patriotic American than CBRx. As far as complaining that he shouldn't post his review of packaging because it is not his occupation is total nonsense. He can discuss whatever topic he likes as long as he isn't breaking site rules. You or I could do the same. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch.
@@mel87123 well I guess some people don’t like R jokes. Really I was just creating the next great American conspiracy! CBRx vs Dr Thomas. Science fight….lmao….i have no ill will, just standing up for the packagingperts and having a little trolling fun. we don’t need if then statements to resolve this on yt…let’s take our fingers off the button(shit another R joke). Ohhhhhhh noooooo!!!!!!
R joke? As in political? It really just wasn't funny. It genuinely sounds a little nuts.
@@mel87123 are you so concerned of politics you would come to knife packaging video to find your political foes? Your assuming and reading what you want to read but I promise their is no pizza gate operation going on…..sometimes comedy offends…what sound does the nuts you mentioned make…like a crushed walnut or maybe pistachios…😂
I love knives, but they can keep the 5 dollar box. ❤
Great video!!
Emerson too. They sell their folders in just a small box like the Kershaw.
Appreciate the comment! Also CRKT, I should have mentioned!
I usually keep my knife boxes but they are starting to add up and have filled 2 draws. Still is good to see recyclable stuff.
@@robertmiller6822 as expensive as these knives have become I think alot of people are keeping the packaging...but I guess even if its a 100 years down the road eventually it'll be thrown away so the more biodegradable the better.
@@robertmiller6822 My knives would have a hissing fit if I kept them in a box! Already they are complaining that I they don’t get out enough!
@CuttingBoardRx yeah I don't keep them in the boxes most are scattered round the house and in my bedside table and little knife cases but the boxes I've still kept, I suppose I used to collect all my archery equipment boxes now it just goes in trash unless I definitely wanna resale it.
I’m a bit shocked you could earn any more of my respect! That is the best response to criticism I believe I’ve ever seen. Thank you sir! Keep it up!
I appreciate that!
I completely agree. These companies waste money on stupid packaging.
@@Robert-vb9gh Thanks for agreeing and for commenting! Our voice will not be heard by the industry until the channel hits 50K subscribers. You can help by subscribing and sharing my content with friends.
Agree with your stance. I like how Twosun's folders all come in a simple little cardboard box, from budget to premium.
Bahahaha. Tell that to strider. You’re lucky to get a plastic baggy I love it!
Right?!
I bought a Mini Adira & even though I love it, I gotta admit the box design was totally unnecessary.
It's great & all, but not a Gold Class or anything, sheesh. Just put it in a cardboard box & charge me $30 less, while reducing waste.
Dude, that box is ridiculous! I agree with you 100%. I would so much rather a company send me a product in a paper bag with cotton fluff for protection. Everything would be biodegradable, and I would appreciate that sooooo much more!
And at 12.3 oz, the Benchmade box is probably heavier than the knife it came in! That’s a little bit overkill
@@JedHead3409 I’m certain it’s made in the PRC. I wonder if they have to buy it there so that they can export to China. What a waste!
@@CuttingBoardRx good point, that could be the case. Either way, it’s sad when companies care about packaging their product more then they care about our planet
@@CuttingBoardRx I recently bought a 940 and 945 Osbornes in Magnacut. Brand new product but old Benchmade box. Easily could have changed the dimensions of the box and still had something unique like making the box reflect its a water series. Blue box = Blue class, Black box = Black class, Gold box = Gold class. So why Water series = unnecessary fancy magnetic box that is massive despite carrying a 6.5 inch Intersect
@@dambigfoot6844 Marketing people have mind of their own.
I already knew about the trash island, it is important to talk about that, people have to know. Thanks.
In Asia, because of cultural reasons, the packaging is considered very important, and in China or Japan, for example, everything is sold in beautiful packages. In general, in asian culture, how everything, people, or things appear, is as important as they really are. How beautiful and perfect is the skin of fruits is considered as important as the taste.
I have personal experience with Japan, and they tend to use a lot of plastic. Fortunately, they have an incredibly efficient recycling sistem, everithing is cleaned and separated in the base of the material in order to recycle it. I have no experience on the recycling in China.
For us, as Western culture people, what is inside the box is more important than the box, what in in the heart of a person is more important than the clothes this person is wearing, usually. And I don't give a Shit on the skin if a fruit tastes good!.
We should continue on our path, in my opinion.
Of course, a commercial item has to be attractive, I understand that, but if the company goes too far on it, and in a non responsible way, I see it as a scam.
A very interesting comment! Thanks!
@CuttingBoardRx reading again my long comment, I can see that I generalized. Not everyone is like that. Anyways, it is a tendency I've noticed in the Asian society.
Awesome video. I see it as a sneaky ploy by benchmade to help justify the rising price of their knives. Thank you for bringing up the eco consciousness angle. No point trashing the planet to "make a better impression". 🙄
your not wrong about Benchmade. They have done everything possible to not sell knives yet because they are usually the premium brand in a big box store people still buy their knives(those fucking glass cases gotten so many people). Benchmade won’t change till their sales are affected then they will start listening. Imagine how much money Benchmade left on the table had they sold a budget bugout or kept up with demand at the original price point. 154 cm/s30v bugout for 100 bucks. Look at Spyderco doing pretty much the same thing Benchmade does but because they have a budget line and respond to customers people love them…I am a convert.
This video is kind of fun :D
That box was made to be reusable. Take out the foam, or recut it to house something else.
A nice box to put things in. Someone else might like it, perhaps with a gift inside.
Otherwise if you really want rid of it, burn it nice and hot.
To attack single use plastics and waste, I'd go after the every day use items like water bottles, coffee cups, food packaging etc. 'Not many peopje buying a Benchmade a day along with their soda and microwave meals.
If you put a knife in a biodegradable wrap and that knife sells decades down the line, as often happens with NOS knives, how do you suppose that will work out? Bearing in mind that off-gassing plastics can cause tarnishing and degradation of materials?
You might want to put some knives in poop bags so that you can monitor how well that works for at least as long as you're still around.
There's also a thing called waxed paper. Been around for a while. Buy a Case XX knife, that comes in a little cardboard box, and that is what your knife will come wrapped in.
I wasn't subscribed and I like knife content that looks at the knives.
Cheers!
thanks for watching.
Trm sending out knives in sugarcane containers. Setting a great example
I think they only did that for the Shadow. The Atom, Neutron and Nerd I received from them all came in the usual pull-out boxes filled with foam. 😒 Personally, the only sugarcane box I’ve ever received was with a Demko AD20.5 in 3V and titanium. It would be great if someone would make it standard but I bet they cost quite a bit extra.
Great point. We need to phase out non biodegradable plastics.
I understand what you are saying but a lot of folks keep the box from an expensive knife. This is just another reason for me to not like Benchmade haha anyways Happy Birthday brother!
@@Mikey_Trailz I keep every box, even for the cheapest knives. In case I decide to give them away or sell them. That poses a huge storage issue.
@@CuttingBoardRx Yes same here bro I had to start getting rid of the boxes for my "Keepers" due to not having space. Also my wife is not fond of boxes everywhere! haha
@optimus_slimes Well, she’s a good wife anyway since she’s ok with you buying so many knives that the boxes storage is now an issue 🤣👍
@@CuttingBoardRx This is true brother! haha
Agree. Just got a Drop Bear and a Bel Air. Kershaw is way more responsible.
Kizer has way to much fluff and waste. I don't need or want those "fancy"
zip up knife pouches and stickers. For those unsubscribes,,, if I could
subscribe here twice I would.
Thank you!
The box probably makes it more difficult to counterfeit and more expensive to ship that box from China. I’d imagine it’s tougher to replicate that box than it is their knives
hello, friendly suggestion. you can get an ozark trial knife in d2 steel pvd coated with crossbar lock and bearings with orange frn scales for 10 dollars at walmart now. please test the hrc. thank you
The box is a speck of a speck when considering what goes into manufacturing a knife.
I'm all for not wasting shit, but it's hard to take your posturing on sustainability seriously while standing in front of 100s of excess knives.
Would you consider your collection a waste of natural resources?
Yep, it is all relative. Like comparing a two story McMansion and an efficiency apartment. An SUV and a bicycle. Air conditioning and opening a window. The box however has no use for a lot of people and will become landfill. Why then not minimize the packaging and make it out of sustainable, biodegradable and/or recyclable materials? At least the knives are useful and durable (depending on the quality). Good ones can last a lifetime and they can transfer ownership if no longer needed.
Well perhaps my knife collection is a waste, but about 95% of them are US-made, so I feel like I support an American metalworker’s family for 1-2 months out of a year. My income taxes, on the other hand, support some family of 4 the whole year and THAT is a waste!
@CuttingBoardRx you can do whatever mental gymnastics you need to, to justify it to yourself.
I'm not against reducing waste, I just don't like preaching hypocrits.
It's much like the people who celebrate paper straws while still upgrading their phone/car annually.
You can criticise the packaging without pretending to be an environmental crusader.
I'm sure BM uses the same argument about supporting families in favour of the boxes.
Maybe an anti-China approach would be more believable.
@@razorbackss Thanks for watching!
You have to understand that you and people who watch this channel see things in a more practical way as people who view knives for the knife. A person is going to look at the package in a store and make a mental correlation Water, Dad, Knife, Fishing, Male Gift, Christmas. Dads going to open a Adira or Undercurrent and think "why would I need this for catch and release trout fishing?". For me you can ship a knife in toilet paper and I would be happy if I was happy with the knife.
I totally understand where you are coming from. You’d think businesses would use more recyclable materials for packaging.
From what I read most recycling is a scam anyway. It's a deep rabbit hole. Sad world we live in.
A cool box is a cool box and will end up as a decoration but when there isn’t a box like when I ordered my AD20.5 it was just a plastic sleeve. Still probably not recyclable but less waste is still less waste, it makes me happy. Less impact on the environment and less reason for me to justify keeping the box.
One use plastic should really have some restrictions. It’s getting out of hand with the amount of trash we make. Especially concerning packaging, for knives or otherwise. Food packaging is especially bad in my opinion, it’s literally a consumable. If you want Oreos you need to buy it with all the packaging. You can’t just buy the cookies and put them in a reusable sealed container at the store.
What are the top 5 quietest opening folding knife you own🤫
I agree with your thoughts on oversized packaging for pocket knives. It is ridiculous. I also suspect that the majority of today’s Knife enthusiasts get some sort of gratification from their knives being shipped in a oversize package filled with cheap trinkets. I can appreciate most USA knife makers, sending their knives in minimalist packaging for me everyone wins and I save money. The maker has lower overhead in the planet isn’t robbed or polluted with trash..
Love how you didn’t hold back even though benchmade commented on your previous video. I agree that knife packing is useless. I keep my old packaging in case I ever decide to sell and prefer less packaging.
Aluminum would be preferable IMO.
In many ways Benchmade has jumped the shark. QC needs to improve. They need to lower the BM tax. They need to disclose more info on their steels/heat treats and HRC ratings.
I totally agree! Someone said wow that comes is a fancy box and my reply was and I probably paid for it and look at all the plastic that’s not recyclable…
I use to price out special orders at a home improvement store and I’ll use a blind so I’m looking up what the company paid to have it made and what it’s selling for. $160 dollar blind that cost the store $5.35 to order and have it built. Ridiculous
@@MrCaissed Totally!
Thanks for covering a subject almost never visited by other knife channels. Your comments could apply to many other industries as well.
@@mantaray2239 I’ve been doing it a lot 🤣
Benchmade turned off all comments on their ad videos! I may have said too much…
They aren’t interested in feedback I guess
The commenter doesn't seem to understand Apple packaging. Apple wouldn't be caught dead offering packaging like that.
@@kid5Media Precisely!
Actually I'll agree and subscribe!
well dam who went and wound up the bald guy ? somebody put on the Pink Floyd and calm his a55 down he gonna pop a blood vessel lol.
Not all of have knice display case's I keep my knife in that box with lid open works out great for me.
@@southside1975 I asked all my knives and not a single one wanted to live in a box. 📦
@@CuttingBoardRx lol mine to
Goes deeper into the ocean.
if spyderco uses biodegradable plastic bags, they will fall apart in the box if you like to store your knife in the original packaging.
@@bendoe5863 Great point! But actually, cellulose based plastic is both stable and biodegradable. Just look at the capsules in the medicines 💊 💊 💊 💊 they stay solid for years.
EDiT: how come you’re not a subscriber?
White River knives sure wasted material on their packaging, but at least it was unique and theoretically more likely to be repurposed or kept....
Also, the wooden box WRKs com with are made in USA
This channel does not charge you (billfish57) money to watch it. It is easy to criticize someone from the comfort of your armchair but criticizing your fellow Samaritan solves nothing. There are people who get paid to review and critique. Judging by your spelling and grammar (billfish57), you are not one of those people. Try staying in your lane.
@@tomjones901 harsh! He’s probably one of those unsubscribed…
I agree that Benchmade belongs in a dog poop bag, lol.
@@litsci4690 I think big box retailers that pretend to care about the nature belong in Benchmade’s anus. Which is precisely where they are!
You should head to the dispensary ASAP.
Thanks for watching!
Seems like everyone keeps their microtech boxes
Yea, we as well as Companies need or SHOULD do better. What’s the argument?
To be fair anyone that participates in a hobby that promotes excessively collecting consumer products is doing some level of harm to the planet. If you bought only one benchmade considering its lifetime warranty being your only knife, yes the packaging is problematic but not as bad as buying dozens of Chinese knives in eco friendly boxes. Also almost nobody i know that buys benchmade knives throw away their boxes.
FYI: I own approximately 300 knives and only 20-30 of them are made in China. You may have confused me with some other channel
@@CuttingBoardRx That's my point, your tripping over a non recyclable box.. yet you have 300 knives the kind of pollution that put out producing 300 knives is so much worse than one box. Kind of makes your point look silly. I don't care what you do, just seems like if you really cared about that planet so much you wouldn't be buying 300 knives that are equally un recyclable. And no I don't really know that much about your channel, but I do know finding literally any reason to shit on benchmade seems very popular in the knife community. Anyways this isn't meant to be an attack just my thoughts.
Great perspective! As much as SOME people get a positive first impression from extravagant packaging, SOME of us actually see it as a negative. I've always appreciated Spyderco's minimal packaging. Unfortunately, Benchmade has been making a lot of decisions that emphasize appearance over function and practicality.
Absolutely!
I'm sure Apple doesn't use slave labor but I guess they got something right
@@justinhorn2864 You do understand where Apple phones and packaging are made?
It's your channel, so you get to say whatever you choose. If Billfish57 doesn't like it he doesn't have to watch. I'm glad you spoke about this. It doesn't necessarily bother me that much, but as you stated, you know all of that packaging added heavily to the cost of the knife. That I find ridiculous. Thank you for this video.
That dude who messaged you, thinks like a bigot. Great job throwing the Apple packaging in his face
@@KinKnives Thanks for watching!
@@CuttingBoardRx great video and great point
Because they don't care and they know it's all how you rap up a turd
Way to go benchmade 😊! Actually wearing my bm shirt at the breakfast table. Only on this rock once who wants to buy recycled crap.
Thanks for watching!
Hate to be a contrarian but I like the Benchmade box and it's cardboard and foam not plastic, so if the foam is reasonably biodegradable then I don't see a problem. Also if there was a super simple box with no foam, people would complain about that to. And is the included microfiber cloth for cleaning your knife really something to complain about? I don't always agree with Benchmade either but I mean come on...and what about the foam in the spyderco boxes?
@@leeward6762 Respectful difference of opinions is always welcome on my channel! The layered or pressed cardboard would be a much better choice as I illustrated in this very video.
@@CuttingBoardRx yeah, I agree the cardboard or biodegradable foam would be better, but what they got now isn't horrible, plastic clamshell packaging is horrible...appreciate the response
Just received a knife from North Arm in Canada (Skaha ll). Opened the box it was shipped in and the knife was in a plastic bag with a rubber band around it. That was sitting on some type of straw. That’s it other than a slip of paper on proper care. I’d be happy to see others shipped out the same way. Definitely minimalist.
Unfortunately, knife people seem to drool over packaging, stickers, and rags.
Everyone gets so bent out of shape over recycling but the fact is, it all mostly gets dumped into the same pile snd recycling proces itself creates alot of pollution. Just throw it out and move on.
Recycling isn't even the main point of the video, it's about biodegradable materials.
So because we are doing a bad job, we shouldn’t try to be better?
But the bigger issue is that the blame lies with the businesses using this crap. Still worth calling them out for doing dumb shit.
Dude, review the knives,,, not the boxes. Who cares about boxes. 🙄
@@virgilbarnett3770 Thanks for watching
Bro who made that comment thinks he's smarter than everyone, is sexist, has poor communication skills, aaaaaand doesn't realize that most of us order things online anyways so the box is irrelevant when we decide to pay 😂
Great point about ordering online! Thanks!
Lol meanwhile my Kailash just arrived packed with old Nepali newspapers