A TINY ATX Case with NO Compromises!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- This is one of the smallest ATX cases on the market at just 14L which makes it SMALLER than most of the best ITX cases. This is the N-ATX, an upsized version of the P-ATX and this one might be one of the best ATX cases because its so space efficient and compact without any large compromises.
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I get it, smaller production stuff has to be more expensive. but over 200 dollars for some extremely basic stamped sheet metal??????
It is not stamped.
@@riba2233 The tooling for stamping something like this would be pretty expensive to make, but it would have allowed the case to be stamped out in huge volumes for very cheap. Problem is they probably couldn't sell those volumes right now. Still I'm a bit surprised at the price. I've been involved in designing custom chassis for customers and seen the cost for having relatively small series, as in three to five hundred, and shopping around we were able to get a pretty good price, and that included painting and logos and text printed on the chassis. Even metallic automotive paint wasn't that expensive when a customer wanted that on their chassis. In all cases these were cut with either laser of water jet instead of being stamped. Holes were threaded then the sheets folded, welded and finally painted.
We also made a all aluminium chassis that acted like a huge heatsink. Every panel was more than a quarter inch thick and everything was screwed together with a total of 28 screws if I remember correctly. This was just the case and none of the internals. Those took another ten standoff and screws, again this is if I remember correctly.
That sucker was expensive as F, and a pig to work with. But it had no fan and could be driven by mains power and on failure switch to a common 12V car battery. It even had integrated circuitry to allow for solar panel charging of the battery in case you needed to set it up somewhere off the grid. The intended use was as a internet router for developing countries with limited or unreliable or even no mains power available. Built using off the shelf parts, save for the case and the power circuitry, it was surprisingly power efficient and yet could route incredible amounts of traffic. We built perhaps ten machines that was shipped to some place in Africa. Later I was told one of the problems they had were people climbing the radio towers where they were installed to steal the boxes and sell them for the scrap price of the metal. Well these were pretty heavy even though they were made of aluminium so I guess they at least got some money for them.
Now just what why was I writing this post again? Yea, right. Not stamped but laser or water jet cut, and the price seems a bit steep...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I mean... You're replying to Riba who's the owner of SFFTime and he designed this case and got it manufactured. I think he's well aware of the cost of stamping dies and the downsides of laser/waterjet cut panels vs stamping. If he sells enough volume to justify investing in stamping dies to make this case, he would already have made the decision to do so.
The fact of the matter is, he's a tiny one man shop who's sourcing materials and manufacturing locally, making a product in a niche within a niche (SFF is a small niche within the DIY PC enthusiast space, which itself is already a niche)
@@DuyLeNguyen Which is why I made the post. It was for those who never have priced out something like this. Not everyone knows how expensive it is to tool up for stamping. All they hear is things like "Just stamping them out costs next to nothing". Sure stamping can be cheap, but tooling up for it is anything but cheap.
Then I got lost in old memories and shadows of old memories.
Thing is at a low volume this case can't be produced really cheaply, and the cutoff is high enough I doubt he is able to sell enough of them right now to reach it. Face it, marketing is another thing that's very expensive. For now he seems to be relying on word of mouth. And that only goes so far. Growing a company like this is not cheap or easy.
And there was heading off the track again... Sorry for that...
@@blahorgaslisk7763 I agree with you about being difficult to grow. Another factor that makes it quite difficult for small companies is the fact that (as far as I know) SFFTime is not crowdfunding this case, he's paying for the production run out of pocket, and then selling the cases in-stock, which requires a bit more risk and having to anticipate demand in advance, and having to manage positive cash flow to keep running.
Having dabbled a bit with sheet metal designs for my own hobby projects, it can get pretty expensive!
really love how small form factor PC become famous so we have so many options now
True :)
Betul bang, tinggal harga PSUnya aja nih turunin.
There's more innovation going on in these smaller cases compared to the normal sized towers
It's the future, computers will only become smaller, and more powerful. The industry has no choice but to comply with progress.
Like nya jangan di tambah
The price would be justified if there was a gen4 riser, I know it's a big cost increase but this is premium case money.
cheap sff cases are rare
And this seems like a premium case, no? How many other ATX SFF cases are comparable?
@@TheFalseHuman Strictly speaking it's not so much premium (as it is essentially just a stee box), what it is is niche, there would not be a large demand for this case and thus it's cost to produce is higher despite using fairly bog standard materials because it's not benefiting from economies of scale.
Was my first thought as well.
Gen4 should have been included at this price with this material use.
@@DaemonViews It's a low production volume case, it's obviously not going to be cheap. And while I agree, it would've been better to give users a choice to buy it with a Gen 4 riser, I can understand that riba won't be able to include the Gen 4 riser in this price (reliable Gen 4 risers are still hard to get).
For 229/239, this case: is not made from aluminum; only comes with a gen 3 riser; does not come with all accessories for different build choices; has very visible gaps between frame panels.
I’d say it is a total flop
Perfect summary. My thoughts exactly.
Sud have kept the same price as the original at most.
Agree. And their response to the non-functional riser was unprofessional and overly defensive.
This is competitive with other niche small volume production cases in this market (for example, compare this to the Dr Zaber sentry, Salvo S400/S401 or similar entries in the market).
The company is literally one guy in Croatia designing the case and sourcing materials/manufacturing locally. They don't have the benefit of having a large volume manufacturer like CM or Lian-Li who could leverage higher sales volume and cost advantage to offset development and manufacturing costs.
I agree with almost all these statements/sentiments but economy of scale is a factor. These are not high production cases, personally i would rather go with a well fitted skyreach 4 mini, which also uses better materials, but is a bit smaller.
The filming and settings of this video is astonishing. Pretty much blends- in with the all white gundam build theme!
Tried a new clean white look that I haven’t done in a while. Happy to hear it was a good watch 😂😎
-D.
@@HardwareCanucks loved what you guys are doing. Keep inspiring us with your builds and customization!💪💪
Man, I love it whenever I see those old OCZ drives. To this day, they look gorgeous. It's a shame they're no longer available.
Brought me a bit of nostalgia!
While not in my budget, I appreciate the coverage of the SFF market!
Think I got an addiction or sorts, I've been looking at too many sff/small cases
silverstone sg13, fits atx psu, only 50ish $, worth
Same
Round 2 of this just dropped (already sold out now) and I got myself one. 1 year later and there still is nothing that has all of the features this case has. Thanks for the video, helped me make my decision
I love how Dmitry 3:57 calls going with a 360 rad insane and the creator of this case calling this his dream build configuration
Wanting to covert my ATX build to a smaller footprint. The price of this is just too high especially with just a gen 3 riser cable. Would love to also see a variant with a temper glass side panel with such a beautiful Gundam build.
The price is definitely a joke for the build quality, but a temper glass side panel sounds like a nightmare for airflow
@@reservoir_flow I agree, but to see all that effort in putting together a nice Gundam build just to have it obscured by a ugly side panel is just sad. I'd probably just leave the panel off permanently like he did for most of the video. I'd take a slightly wider case too if that would help the airflow in a TG version.
Yeah, same thought crossed my mind, but when a new ITX board and NR200 is less than this case on it's own... Tough sell to say the least (especially given the build quality seems so lacking).
It's relatively small but the cooling optimization is actually really smart in this - flat, bigger surface area so everything has access to fresh air
I bought this case when you made the P-ATX video, went to the website and saw they had the N-ATX. i saw that i didnt have to buy any new parts. it was a no Brainer. Love it honestly i want to buy another one just and build another PC. I dont even need one.
The film making and audio, the overall watching experience has really gone up for this channel over the years. I used to follow this channel from the time when you used to give out those "Damm Good" awards. One of the best looking tech channels on YT currently, aside from MKBHD.
And they’re both Canadian! Must be something in the water lol
agreed, but then looked at that gear list. yeesh if only i had +$10k for production....
Why would anyone give a thumbs down to this? WHY? Whats the logic? I dont get it.
Looks really nice, but that's a steep price for such a basic build of stamped steel panels that doesn't include accessories or gen 4 riser. I appreciate its partly from the small production runs, but I'd imagine this would be fairly popular if they scaled up a little and could then deliver at a more reasonable cost (particularly as its ATX compatible, and designed around standard GPU and PSU; so it avoids many of the extra expenses/compromises SFF builds often ential.)
Yes they think people Ia dumb
yup ... Knowing that you can get an NR200P for MUCH cheaper and and more options and accessories
@@256alexdt plastic exterior mass production case with meh space efficiency vs steel limited production highly specialized case. They are not comparable
At least it can fit a more substantial cpu cooler than the Node and other cases like it. That and the airflow EVERYWHERE would be nice. I like this case. 200 dollars seems about right for this world of cases. I wouldn't expect anything less to be honest unless it was something cranked out by Silverstone or Fractal. I imagine they do larger production runs and all that sort of stuff. Also, if you have an assortment of components, you can probably toss them in this case. What other case is this accepting of such a mix of sff and full size components in this slim console style case? The price doesn't scare me away from this one. I dig it. It's at least a step in a cool direction. ITX cases are fun but this thing opens up more possibilities for me personally.
The whole Gundam theme is beautiful
Cooler Master did SFF cases right with the NR200/P/Max. Low cost, very user friendly, and great component compatibility.
Meshalicious as well I'd say
Yeah they just reduced the size without making any compromise, it's just sad it's so close to being compatible with the best air coolers xD It's still kind of big but I had a ncase m1 and gpu compatiblity was annoying as hell especially in these times because you want to get any gpu you can find at a decent price
Why can't fan manufacturers get their stickers perfectly centered? It's 2021, some technology must exist to ensure that the fan hub sticker is centered at the factory. Few things annoy me more than a wobbly looking fan hub in an otherwise cleanly cabled and perfect system.
Couldn't agree more.
Don't tell me dude. I got 5 corsair fans in the case and 1 is front bottom with the wobbly sticker so it's not visible.
just peel all the ugly stupid stickers...only way to get the cleanest install possible =)
Just slap another sticker on it
I love the P-ATX, though I slightly wish I had waited for the N-ATX for triple slot and ATX mobo. On the other hand, it’s very obviously good enough for the level of gaming I was targeting with the hardware I crammed in there.
man the aesthetics of this setup with the gundam colorway is just INSANE ;-;
That's a Silverstone Air blazer 120 ARGB white. So elusive, I can't order one. But I have 3 of the black version. It's an extremely good airflow/static pressure fan while being very cheap. Absolutely great combo with shuriken.
3.53 mmH2O at 2200rpm, and the stats checked out on Tech Buyer's Guru's fan comparison test.
Agreed. A really good fan 👍
-D.
this build would be insane if it had tempered glass so you can view your pc, but temps would be a problem
Yup SFF is taking hold, I built a new ITX system a few months ago based on the 10700k and 3060, I wanted Ti, but that's all they had. Still it's not small enough for me, I prefer the sandwich style itx case...only trouble is limited space and I'm still using a very good 3TB hd, so I went with an NZXT case which is small but still had enough room for extra drives, perfect for me right now. My next build will downsize even more.
I have P-ATX and this thing is so moddable, I love it. With a little bit of work, the case can fit ATX mobo with a 2-slot card or 2x 1-slot cards. This makes SFF-Time cases the only SFF option for reverse-sleeper PC hardware that only comes in ATX format.
PS. N-ATX, should have 4 threaded holes under the side cover, same as P-ATX, you can use them for installation of a glass panel if you decide to order or make one. A little easter egg by the makers.
That's one hell of a beautiful build. Including that monitor is icing on the cake.
**EDIT:** I just noticed that they announced an N-ATX V2 case which is 15L.
I wish more manufacturer are trying this layout because this is the one SFF case with standard size parts compatibility that actually able to bring anywhere with a backpack
While I have absolutely no desire to spend that kind of money on that case, it actually inspires me to want to create a case for myself in a similar fashion.
How does this compare to the Conswole? From the looks it's identical.
Awesome build. I'd recommend a LINKUP gen 4.0 riser. I've bought 3 of them and they work flawlessly. They save so much of a headache, especially when dialing in memory OCs in a SFF case :D
I'm really looking forward to the restock of the N-ATX V2. This console style case is exactly what i was lookin for because of its material and because its one of the few that can fit my Corsair ATX PSU (and I got that recently. If i hadn't, and had i known about console style cases, i would gotten an SFX PSU). Apparently the V2 case is made from aluminum so that'll reduce weight.
I know small run stuff like this from smaller companies is going to have a higher price but god damn $230/240? Wowy wow wow. That's a tall order considering it only comes with a gen 3 riser.
I don't think Cooler Master has anything to worry about with their superior NR200 case. I picked up the white version for $65.
My body is not sff, but it's ready.
It looks amazing and strikes a good balance between thermals and size
Those temps are better than my VXR case with 9 fans
That is what direct access to fresh air and clean exhaust path do ;)
Interesting - can this fit inside of a bookbag or laptop brief case? I want to lug this around as a portable desktop (I will be traveling a lot) and I don't want to buy a laptop if I don't have to (because it is less powerful for the money, lower lifespan due to heat buildup, etc). Do you think this would be a viable portable desktop option? Or do you have any recommendations?
You can see dimensions on our website
I was hoping something like this would exist. A compact case that could still fit regular full sized parts.
I'd love to see a watercooled build in this case.
I love this case, definitely similar to my Dr Zaber Sentry. Perfect for a desktop that can slip into your backpack.
Nice video! What monitor are you using?
nice white themed build! what monitor are you using?
This is as simple as a case needs to be. Why haven't big brands done this?
Makes you wonder right :)
beautiful case. Im looking into a SFF build for my next build though im not sure if I wanna go ITX, M-ATX, or just SFF ATX. however, no dust filters is an absolute no go for me. idc about air flow. I want dust filters.
This build looks terrific
So even with an atx mb I can put in a 140 or 120 aio or radiator 1 80mm fan at the top position and one 120 or 140 fan on the mb tray side position. So it has more cooling options he's just not using all of them. (Does say 3 120 fans in a comparison chart on the home page but that could have been in an earlier version)
i mean, imo this is really good case, the dimensions perfect cuz it doesnt take as much space, its easier for travel, looks nice and if you had it next to some archives it would fade in. for me it would be worth the price
by this taking less space i mean if you get like nr200, which is awesome case, it might be smaller in size but it got bigger footprint on the table and the dimensions would be more akward to carry with you
This case (N-ATX, 14 litre volume) is actually quite a bit smaller than the NR200 (18 litre volume)
oh, even better
Yeah but the NR200P is much cheaper, more accessories, you can actually fit more things like mine have 2 x 240mm rad and a 80mm rad. I also have a full custom loop including a rez etc ...
@@256alexdt yeah but can it take an ATX motherboard? Because that's the differentiating factor here... This case (if configured correctly, can also take a ITX board, 1u waterblock, watercooled GPU and a 55mm thick 360mm rad. Can the NR200P do that? I think you're comparing apples to oranges here. The NR200P is great for what it does, and this is also great for what it does
@@DuyLeNguyen The only thing you mention that is a pro vs the NR200P is the ATX. So if that's the requirement you have when you're building an SFF build then yes this is a better option. For everything else you'll get more options with the NR200P, including price that is half. Are you working for SFF time ?
Finally a case worth considering to make an external water cooling of it :D
2:35 Oh, how nice. They even include a plastic plant for the premium price.
imma buy this case build a pc in it and instead of blputing a slimm cooler on it imma just make a big af hole in the side pannel for a huge tiwer cooler
Awesome video as always! When would you use the NR200P (Max or non) vs the N-ATX? I saw you loved both cases
lol his face trying to hold back his excitement at 30 secs is so funny..🤣🤣
Great video from you guys. Looking forward to a build from Optimum Tech.
Hello, Can the 3090 fit inside this case if I use a mini itx?
Absolutely gorgeous set up! 🤩
5:44 The final build looks sooooo clean and good
Needs more blue in representation of the chest torso. Otherwise perfect build.
I’d think reasons for going for nvme storage would be speed, not cable clutter XAXA.
How did the gpu fit?
I really wanted the gundam build when it came out, it looks so nice. Hope Asus next anime collab is white themed colour
How much room is there for 3.5" HDDs? I'm thinking about this for a plex media server.
That's an AWESOME build, Dimitri. I was shocked you got the GPU in the at all. I'm one that likes using ATX motherboards but with that case I'd go with an ITX motherboard. Thank you for the great video.
Off topic, but I'm surprised nobody made a parody of Psy's Gangnam Style, but replacing the word Gangnam with Gundam, and changing the language to Japanese, with an AMV style music video comprised of clips from the Anime and shots of the Manga. Also, I love cases like this, as well as non-standard layouts, like the cases with fan slots running parallel to or on the plane with the motherboard tray.
Gorgeous
Wow long talk, skip to : BUILD STARTS AT 5:18
Really cool stuff. Case is pricy though. Wonder what you could do going full custom watercooling
With some improvements this case will be a winner. Need a SFF which supports ATX and 4090...properly secured
Looks like a dust magnet without any dust filters over the perforations.
I really love this case, but ITX more, and one more reason is that guys who make this case are from my country of Croatia. For me is not a problem to clean little more to have so small and clean case
Hvala! Btw jedan samo hehe
With builds like these, will dust be a big issue?
Not really from my experience
This is perfect for used atx motherboard
I'm curious did you name this build White Base?
About dust filter, Demciflex have magnetic dust filters for their previous mode, the P-ATX, so I'm guessing they'll also make some for this case.
Nice thin case, steep price though.
this seems like the only sorta-currently available SFF case that could fit a 4000 series nvidia GPU!
I wish there was a case small like this that can fit 4 HDD
I can’t get rid of yet
my only problem with loads of SFF cases are no dust filters. sure i can buy some cutom ones but cmon. A few degrees off with dust filters is something im willing to work with. Good case.
Thanks! Dust accumulation is much less of a problem in this kind of case compared to regular mid towers.
Oh man, I kind of want this for the 360 rad because I want to watercool both my GPU and CPU while also being very small
only other case thats pretty small that can do this is the sliger SV590 v2
I would like to see a review on both updated versions if it would be possible for you guys
I've been looking for something like this. Nice
Over 2 years after you made this video and they're still sold out of every case they make on their website. That's the problem with good SFF cases, they're never in stock and they cost so much money. The updated version of this case still doesn't have fine mesh to keep dust out.
An SFF case I can place a beautiful ASUS ProArt board in!
Great build, I miss optimum tech's builds
makes my $80 (cdn) Coolermaster NR200 look like a steal in comparison.
aesthetically looks nice, though.
My streaming pc is an sfx. Well i can't even see it because of my mid tower hiding it. My next main build will be sfx. I believe there is some positive effects on your mindset when the stuff takes less space.
This case would be perfect for a rack mount
How do these new Phanteks T30 fans compare to the Noctua A12's? I've heard some good things about them but wouldn't mind seeing a review from you.
While the case is pricey for what it is, I'm still very interested in it. I want as small a computer as possible while staying on mATX, which doesn't leave many options until I found this one.
Planning to pick one up when/if they come in stock again, and transplant my current mAXT-system into it. Can't run my Noctua NH-D14 for obvious reasons, so will have to step down to the NH-L12S. Just have to swap out that gods-awful fan...
Love the look of the Gundam-build, though. Very very sweet, even with the "messy" cablemanagement-solution.
gen 3 riser cable? are we not at gen 4 with gen 5 already on the horizon?
The finished build looks great, bummer about the riser cable issue. But that price though...
If that had existed when I was building my machine, I might have built in it. My current build is in a Silverstone FTZ01, very similar dimensions although it doesn't support ATX.
If you’re only using a 2-slot GPU, could you use a second riser cable or one with bifurcation to run a GPU+capture card in the 3+ slots? Looking at the manual makes it seem like you’d be able to do that, I guess if you also had an extra GPU support bracket/tab.
Some customers did that, but it can be a bit tight to install two risers.
@@riba2233 That’s great to know! Is there a how-to or is it 100% DIY, you’re on your own?
@@jeremybarber2837 you will have to figure it out since it is not one of the supported layouts, sorry :|
DIY works for me!
That green plant looms good
Okay this case is a game changer.. but the price is kinda steep af..it's too damn pricey.. guess I'll just wait for the hype to die down..
Would make a sick mobile pc if you attached a vesa mount and small monitor to the side of the case. Then just a low profile keyboard and wireless mouse. Would be great for somebody who needs big power on the go.
I’m thinking of switching to a smaller build. Dark base 700 is just way to big for my desk. Any good suggestions for a first time SFX builder?
Yeah, buy a bigger desk, it's cheaper.
Try cooler master nr200p
Unless you absolutely need a smaller build stay away from them. They might look cool but you will spend more money than a standard chassi and they will perform worse.
The NR200(P) or the Meshlicious are both extremely popular and very easy to work with for SFF, both are also priced very fairly. Give em a look
I miss u man with your case reviews.
Being it can fit a 3-4 slot wide card, can it fit say a thunderbolt or a 10gb Ethernet card on the non-shroud side of the expansion slots, given with a normal 2 slot card and a matx or atx board?
It could yeah.
Any time i tell my clients that we will have to use a riser cable and move from PCI-E Gen4 to Gen3 for the GPU to work, ALL my clients chose another case to mount the GPU directly to the motherboard so it can work to it's full potential even though i explain that not necessarily they lose performance.
I heard He said "Gangnam Style" instead Gundam Style