@@muriloninja I have three of the OEM tires going and I am at 22K miles. One tire was replaced, it had a blowout. I just looked at my Tesla Electric bill, and my Tesla charged 383Kw for the month, all at night after 10 PM at no charge. The torque vectoring done on this car is insane. I don't leave rubber.
@@Dr.Octogon, in general, the naysayers don’t own one. Love my plaid. Way too powerful for daily driving, but that’s why it’s special, and the cost of maintenance is practically nothing compared to supercars.
this is a very nice and thorough "revisit" for a Tesla, i like that you opt in for the things that can protect the car like the mudflap, ppf and the seat cover, and keep it well maintained (as any car owner should) instead of going bare bones then use it regularly and points out "Cons' that it has
Your last comment is very interesting/important - "this is the car I take when I have to go out". While your fun cars, you're taking out specifically to have fun. That seems to align with my current perspective that modern traffic patterns, and congestion, make for limited opportunities to have fun , in proper fun cars (and without alot of extra money, there are such diminishing returns to have high dollar fun cars). I like that you're a real car enthusiast of all cars - breath of fresh air.
I watched your 51k miles review a week or two ago. Love your honest reviews. Not sure how this popped up on my YT feed. I call you OCD Joe but in a compliment way. I’m OCD myself. Have a great Sunday Joe
I have a 2021 S Plaid. I have fixed the inner wear problem with alignment spacers that push out the upper control arm so the rear tire becomes more vertical (less negative camber). Of course an alignment would be required after the spacers to correct toe. Took 1/8" thick spacer on the drivers rear side and 1/4" (two 1/8") on the passenger. I used longer bolts on the passenger side just to be sure of plenty thread engagement. Other than rear tire wear I love the car. These cars definitely have great acceleration. On my Dragy I managed a 5.03 seconds from 60-130 mph.
Great to hear! Thank you for the comment! What color are you getting? I now have 53k miles on my Plaid - it is running strong and still suits my lifestyle perfectly.
👻 I went from the Model 3 Performance in 2018 to a Plaid in 2021. Traded the Plaid for the 2022 Plaid the following year. Better build quality in my opinion from the previous year. Love the car. The 2021 Plaid was awesome BUT the 2022 is just better lol. Be safe, enjoy your Tesla 😊 👍🏾👻
I Xpeled the entire exterior and also filmed the windshield. Got the track pack brakes installed. Im only 1800 miles in and going to yolo enjoy my MSP especially after the recent price cuts. Whatever Elon. I’m waiting on HRE 21” monoblock wheels to further lighten and strengthen. At some point will get the camber adjustment arms. Thanks for sharing! MSP is the best looking four door ev sedan on the market still.
Great to hear about your Plaid! Good call on the protection! The latest price cut was a surprise - what a bargain! Fortunately, I've gotten a lot of use out of my car and I intend to hold onto it. I look forward to hearing updates on your car.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I Xpeled only the 'front'.. wish I'd don't the full exterior lol. Been loving my S since 2017.. no plaid obviously.. but still a wicked good machine. Has aged very well. Still can't find a better EV I'd choose, except a refreshed one. The recent price cuts are making it VERY tempting to go a Plaid.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee lol yeah.. I paid more for my 100D than you would pay to buy a Plaid today.. it’s crazy how they’ve been able to improve the product and reduce cost. Half the reason I’m loath to upgrade is the resale value of my S.. the blue book is around 25-30k.. for a car that you couldn’t match with a $50k new car. The battery replacement nonsense is BS.. my battery is going good for another decade at its current rate of degradation. I don’t get it. I am not selling my S for 25k lol. It’s f’n robbery. 50k, yeah.. I’d go for a refreshed S.. but at this point I think I’ll keep her till she dies and just buy another addition.. got married recently and she’s interested in a Tesla.. but debating on getting a cybertruck next. Waiting to see the final production specs and cost. Would be cool for my long commute.. to absorb the beating the cars take on the highway.
@@airheart1 Tesla pricing is pretty wild. The MSRP on my 2018 Model 3 Performance with FSD was over $80k - I was shocked to find the original sticker in the car (I bought it used). The unwarranted concern that I see with EV batteries is similar to how people viewed hybrids back in the day...no one really talks about hybrid batteries anymore - I suspect that same will be the case with EV batteries in a few years. I placed an order for a Cybertruck (i.e., I paid $100 to get in line for one) - I'm excited for it. Given the demand, my order will probably be fulfilled in a couple years.
Thank you for watching! Links to the aftermarket parts on my car are provided below: Floormats: tsportline.com/products/tesla-model-s-maxpider-3d-kagu-all-weather-custom-fit-floor-liner-mats?_pos=1&_sid=5bfbca955&_ss=r&variant=42618669531330 Wheels and tires: tsportline.com/collections/20-tesla-wheel-tire-packages-model-s-long-range-plaid-june-2021-present/products/ts5-20-tesla-model-s-long-range-plaid-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4?variant=40901799084226 Mudflaps: tsportline.com/collections/tesla-model-s-carbon-fiber-exterior-upgrades-accessories/products/tesla-model-s-carbon-fiber-mud-flaps?variant=41479609876674
Great videos, Joe. Thanks for taking the time to make them. As a fellow owner, I have a much more boring question: What are those floor mats? I missed the name of them, and they look a lot nicer than anything I've been considering. I'm not a fan of the big rubber tub mats you normally see advertised.
Thanks for the feedback! Those are the 3D MAXpider Kagu floormats. I've had them in multiple cars - I love how they have a warmer look than traditional rubber mats and they are easier to maintain.
I bought a used 2022 blue Plaid with 4000 miles on the odometer and FSD included. Rear tire replacement at 7K and alignment by Tesla after being towed. The rear 21” tires are wider so wheel rotation is not 😢possible as they are directional as well. I guess I could spring for new tires and rims. What would you recommend? I don’t think I have any warranty as I bought it as a trade from a VW dealer. No issues like you’ve described so far. Thanks for sharing.
I just had my second 21" rear tire failure (the inner edge came apart) earlier this month. The tire that failed had ~10k miles on them. I had a wheel alignment performed by Tesla after the first tire failure. I put my Arachnids back on for the summer after I took off the 20" all season set up for an update video and just left them on not thinking I would have premature tire failure again because I had a wheel alignment done. My 20" all season tire set up has over 30k miles on them. That tells me that there is something up with the 21" Arachnid wheel and tire combo since my 20" set up doesn't have the inner edge wear problem. Some people think that it is the negative camber that is causing the tire failure - there are aftermarket solutions to adjust the camber for the rear suspension. I haven't tried it yet but Macboost is the solution that I would go with as it the simplest and lowest cost solution. I suspect that there is an issue with the tire design - I plan to open a claim with Michelin. Does it get cold where you live? If so, perhaps consider an all season tire on an aftermarket wheel? If you don't need all season tires and want to keep the OEM wheels and tires, perhaps try a camber kit like the one offered by Macboost (www.macsboost.com/product/macsboost-tesla-s-x-camber-kit-2021-palladium/)?
Super video! Thx! I have a 2018 Model S base model with 21” Twin Turbines. Rear Tires: my inner shoulders wear out faster (ie uneven wear). The Tesla service center told me that Tesla “Toes-In” (camber alignment) the rears on Model S for performance handling. Uneven wear on rears is natural by Tesla.
Thanks! Good point on uneven tirewear. The rear tires on my old model 3 performance wore more on the inside. However, they lasted much longer. At 35k miles, when I sold the car, it was still on the original tires.
Thank you very much, for all the honest to goodness videos with lots of useful and basic information for day to day life, using your Tesla car. I also have a 2020 model 3 performance package Tesla in Blue, and I always get compliments and people always like to let me know, how much they like the color of the car. I appreciate your videos, and I've subscribed to your channel as of now. Have a great day. I also like your Porsche in your garage.
Good video. Respect your opinions and experiences on the car. I’m 23 so I can’t afford this yet but I’m looking to get one as my final dream car. Currently looking at getting a Tesla model 3 M3P which is my current dream car since 16.
Thanks for the comment! I think the Model 3 Performance is a great car. The 10:1 steering ratio, relatively small steering wheel, and lighter weight relative to the Model S give it a sporty go-cart feel that I missed when I replaced mine with the Model S Plaid.
Good review. Hard to believe the current price point of this car for what you get performance-wise. $90-92k and paint options are no longer an upcharge. I'd be happy with the base model S for $75k! I'd want the upgraded brakes. Sorry if I missed it, but do you feel the brakes have been an issue for you?
Thanks for the feedback. I've had some hairy moments with the brakes when trying to slow down immediately after a "full throttle" acceleration. I attribute that to the momentum of the car which has to stop accelerating before it starts slowing down. I've never noticed a problem with the brakes under normal driving or just trying to slow down from a high speed.
hello fellow Joe! Finally a video i can relate to! You said you have a 160 mile commute round-trip. I too have have a long commute, 174 mi a day. 5 days a week. Do you commute everyday? I too also have a M3p sitting around 125k of miles now. What made you decide to upgrade to a Model S Plaid? Im trying to convince myself to do the same but my m3p has been good to me but just caked with rock chips on the rear fenders and doors. However my front ppf is doing good, it absorbed most if not all the rock chips 😅
Hi Joe! Great to hear about your Model 3 Performance and the miles that you have on it! I commute 2 - 3 days / week. I used to commute 5 days a week, but that was before I purchased a Tesla. Although my commute is 160 miles, I regularly travel 200+ miles in a given day. With the Model 3 Performance, I had to stop to charge on those 200+ mile days. I wanted a little more range so that I wouldn't have to stop to charge. Going for a Plaid instead of a Long Range was a YOLO move (owning a car with over 1000 hp is a dream come true) and I'm happy with my decision. The Plaid makes the commute (which is mostly highway) shorter and more fun - it is a beast at highway speeds. The Model 3 Performance has quicker steering and feels more nimble. The extra weight of the Model S is noticeable. On local roads, I prefer the feel of the Model 3 (at least from what I recall). For highway driving, I prefer the Model S (more relaxed steering, faster acceleration, more comfortable seats and suspension). Also, I like having ventilated seats on hot days.
Hi, the reason why the tire did rip apart was probably because the suspension settings are screwed up, lit in many Teslas because of the large tolerances at the production facility. Did you do a alignment on the suspension settings?
Hello, I think my wheel alignment was not set right from the factory with too much toe out in the rear. I had my alignment done at Tesla service center after I had my tires replaced. I asked them to performed the wheel alignment with the car in low mode as I wanted the toe to be set properly in the mode that I drive in the most. When I went to pick up the car, I asked them for the before and after and they said that they didn't have the numbers to give me as they had "cleared" the data (perhaps they didn't want to?). I didn't think much of it but I noticed that the back end of the car was much more stable in the rain after the alignment. The camber is not adjustable back there so the toe is the only thing that was changed. I'm on a different set of wheels and tires now so it is not apples to applies, but I have over 25k miles on my current set of tires. When I checked them at 20k miles, they were worn evenly with about 50% tread left.
Good honest video. Seems like this car did have some issues that would bother most people. Did you stick with a staggered set up? If so, have you noticed a decrease in range with the T sportline 20’ rims? ⚡️
Thanks! I still have the square setup T Sportline wheels on the car. I put the 21" Arachnids back on for about a month in fall. The OEM tires are quieter but I like the look (lower offset and style) of the T Sportline wheels better. Now that I have over 20k miles on the T Sportline wheels and Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires, I'm getting slightly better range (~3%) than with the 21" Arachnids.
@@TheLifeofJoeLeeis there a big decrease in wear with the 20” Tsports? I just ordered ‘24 MSP and I switched to the 19’s last minute because I really don’t want to deal with constant tire issues(which I dealt with on my 21s on my E43 AMG). My plan is to get some 20” Tsportlines as well, but really curious if it’ll still wear a lot like the 21s or much better like the 19s…
@@Tommy43087 I've put 30k miles on the 20" T-Sportline set up with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 tires and I estimate that they could go another 10k - 15 k miles (they have 40% tread depth remaining and are worn evenly). I'll be filming an update on my wheel and tire set up within the next 2 weeks. The original tires that were on the 21" arachnid wheels were replaced after 18k miles when one rear tire wore through the cords and the rest of the tires had pretty bad wear on the inside edge. I had a wheel alignment performed when I replaced the tires (had the alignment set while the car was in low mode). There are a lot of variables here (different tire compounds, wheel alignment, etc.), but I'm happy with the longevity of the 20" set up.
With sentry mode, the absence of a key fob (i.e., no RF signal to clone or amplify), the option to require a pin to be entered before the car can be driven, and the fact that the car's location is always known, I think the security features provided by Tesla are sufficient. I didn't find marketing of aftermarket alarm systems for Tesla.
Sorry to hear about your seats. In the past I had purchased protective covers that were specifically marketed for car seats - I found that the textured bottom side left marks on my seat which is why I went with a cloth sheet for this car. The cloth sheet covers more of the seat which helps in the summer when the kids have sunscreen on for summer camp.
My 2018 recently has had some issues with the steering wheel and most recently Tesla support is telling me that updates are not fully Being pushed thru although car says they are. So I think I may have hit my limit with this guy….too many little issues add up
Hey Joe - love your videos! I'm curious about the all-seasons and how they affect performance. I'm running the stock P-Zero tires on my Plaid but was wanting to switch to the coveted PS4S as it's my daily. You mentioned something about it @2:05 -- have you seen a big degradation in grip/performance? 0-60 or 60-130mph times? Not that you're going out and doing 1/4 on the highway all the time, hehe... Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the comment! I'm running the Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 - I'm happy with the tire considering its all weather grip. Compared to the PS4S, I notice a little more slip when launching the car. I don't mind it but it is noticeable. Once the car is moving I don't notice any difference in grip but I don't have acceleration data to compare the two tires. With the AS4s not being an EV tire (there is no foam in the tire), there is a noticeable increase in road noise transmitting into the cabin. However, despite the tradeoffs I didn't care to put the Arachnids with PS4S tires back on the car this summer. In a couple weeks when I provide an update on the TS5 wheels and AS4s, I'm thinking of putting the OEM wheels and tires back on just to remind myself of what they are like.
Great review. I’m considering getting a 2021 model s plaid over a brand new 2024 model 3 (LR or performance once it’s out). What are you thoughts? Is the plaid a no brainer? I’m using it for mainly daily driving, but I haven’t upgraded my car in a while so I’d like to splurge a bit. Thanks for your input!
Thanks! I still love my Model S Plaid (I now have 43k miles on it) and consider it to be the best daily driver for me. I don't have experience with the new Model 3 but having owned the previous gen Model 3 Performance and having had a Model Y LR as a loaner recently, I wouldn't sell my car for one. Here are a few things to consider with the 2021 Model S Plaid: 1) the bumper-to-bumper factory warranty will likely only have a year or so left so factor in repair costs and/or the cost of an extended warranty (I plan to get one); 2) the Model S Plaid is known to go through tires quickly so factor that cost in - I think the factory wheel alignment is part of the problem - my second set of tires is wearing much better (I have over 25k mile on them and they still look good); it is a bigger car and is less nimble than the Model 3 - if you are primarily driving in an urban city, the Model 3 may be better suited.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks for the elaborate response. Interesting, I thought the 2021 would have the original 100k mile warranty. I’ll have to inquire about that.
@Mamba310 The power train warranty that covers the motors, battery, etc. is good for 8 years / 150k miles. The bumper-to-bumper basic warranty is 4 years / 50k miles.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee ah ok, that makes sense. Thank you. So essentially I’d have roughly 4 years left on the warranty on a 2021 (assuming the mileage is low).
@@Skeetskeet333 It nice that the Model S and X have relatively long powertrain and battery warranties. The powertrain and battery warranties on my 2021 are good until Aug 2029 / 150k miles. I'm thinking of getting an extended warranty for the other components incase something goes wrong with the suspension, ECU, screens, etc. Feel free to email me if you have any other questions: joeymlee@gmail.com
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with Tesla glass. My replacement windshield has a lot of chips. If I ever need to replace it because of a crack, I'm going to protect the new windshield with XPEL windshield film.
My sister sold her Model 3. So many small issues that are just annoying. She went back to a Rav4. Teslas response to the issues was pretty much just saying that they were common and thats it.
Thank you! I have 57k miles on the Plaid. I had contemplated replacing it as I typically don't hold onto cars this long, but after looking into some other vehicles (to include the BMW M3, Audi RS5 and RS6, Audi eTron GT, Porsche Taycan and Porsche Macan EV) I haven't found anything worth replacing it with. The Plaid suits my use case as a daily driver. At this point, I plan to hold onto it until it starts becoming problematic or if hw3 becomes too limiting. A few weeks ago I had looked into trading for a brand new Plaid (I like the new Silver option) but I didn't think it was worth it financially. It sounds like you are open to buying used - I recommend going that route given the sharp depreciation of EVs, which the Plaid was not spared from. If FSD is important to you, I recommend going with a 2023+ that has hw4. I'm still good with the FSD on my hw3 car - I use it all the time as my car is my rolling office.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Thank you so much for the reply. I am planing to buy an used Tesla Model S Long range for the same reason you mentioned "depreciation" ultimately I want this car for the practically but I am car enthusiast and I was entertaining the idea of buying the M2 However, I think financially in the long term the Tesla made more sense as your primary car. I am planing to keep the car for a long time since I like to keep my cars for more than 5 years. Please keep us updated on the maintenance since there is not a lot of videos on models S high milage from 2021 and up models. Do you think it will be smart decision financially if I am planing to hold the car for 5 years or more to buy knew? instead of use?
How many miles do you typically drive in a year? Will you be able to charge the car at home or at work? For me, the Model S suited me better as a daily driver than the G87 M2. The G87 was more fun during the occasions when I wanted to row gears or hear the engine but I prefer the instant torque, ability to stay under the radar (i.e., doesn't make much noise when I want to get somewhere quickly without getting pulled over), better tech, and more comfortable interior of the Model S. The battery and drive unit warranty on the Model S is 8 years / 150k miles. The basic warranty is 4 years / 50k miles. An extended warranty to 150k miles which covers most of the basic warranty items can be purchased for around $3k miles. Although there is less downside financial risk with the long range than the plaid, unless you think you'll own it for 7+ years, in which case, the full battery and drivetrain warranty would be beneficial, I still think it is better financially to buy a 1 - 2 year old car that has taken its initial depreciation hit. At this point, I will be providing an update on my car every 10k miles. I plan to include results of a battery health test in my video.
Hey Joe, love the content and just subscribed. I’m currently driving a ‘21 M3P (from a ‘19 RS3) and am looking at purchasing a MSP. I had some questions that I don’t want to contest your chat with - if you have an email you’re willing to share please shoot it my way. Saw you’re in Cherry Hill, I’m in Hamilton Township, small world we live in. Thanks either way and all the best.
Thanks for the comment! My email address is joeymlee@gmail.com. You are relatively local - I was just up in that area on Monday. I look forward to your email.
NEED HELP!: this is truly an amazing car, I bought mine a couple weeks ago and accidentally already scraped a bit the bottom of the nose coming out of a parking lot very slowly, you can't actually see it unless you get under like a mechanic haha but have you scrape yours? how do you mitigate this issue in your experience?
Congrats on your Model S Plaid! Sorry to hear about the scrape. Fortunately, the car doesn't have any active aero that will get damaged from scraping the bumper. The car has air suspension so if I'm approaching a steep transition (e.g., pulling into a driveway or parking lot), I'll raise it up to high. One neat feature is that the car will remember where you raised it up and will automatically raise the suspension when you are there (you can tell it to forgot the area if you don't want it to raise there).
Thanks for the video! really considering trading in my M3P for an S plaid since the price has dropped so much. I have a couple rattling noises that come and go in the interior but other than that I've had zero complaints about my M3. Trying to do as much homework as I can before deciding whether or not I want to go through with it
I went from a M3 dm + performance upgrade, to a 2023 Plaid. (pretty similar performance to a M3P) I agree with what @TheLifeofJoeLee says. However,....during normal road use, the Plaid doesn't feel "Seat of the pants" that much quicker than my M3! People are going to say I'm crazy, 2 secs 0 -60 vs 3.6secs how can I say that!? Answer: They are both bloomin fast but the Plaid doesn't "feel" twice as fast. Maybe it's because you haven't got it in track mode etc when you are using it as a daily driver. That said, I'm not disappointed by the Plaid in any way and with the price cuts, it's a real bargain. Worth 2 M3P's? No, but if you can afford it, what the heck. My suggestion is, go and test drive a Plaid and see what you think.
No. I love the Plaid. I do however still have the M3 which my wife now uses. Both are great cars. Is the Plaid worth 2 x M3P? No. But you could equally ask is a Merc S class worth 2 x C class? and the answer again would be no.@@THECANDYISGONE
The original driver's side rear tire wore through the cords on the inside edge at around 18k miles. The inner edge on the passenger side rear tire was pretty worn but probably had another 3k miles left on it. When I replaced all 4 tires, I had the car realigned at Tesla with the suspension set on low mode. I've put close to 20k miles on the current set of tires and they seem to be holding up.
Joe, did Tesla resolve your rain smell? I have a 21 Plaid as well (made in August) and Tesla Service been trying and failing for two years to resolve the issue. It always happens when it rains.
Yes, the smelly AC problem has been resolved. I was giving it some time before speaking about it, but I'm confident now that the problem has been resolved. Based on what I had read on one of the Tesla forums, I asked them to change the HEPA filter that is under the hood. The service center tried talking me out of it as that filter is recommended to be changed every 5 years and it was pricey ($600), but I asked them to do it anyway. I've since put over 1k miles on the car and we've had a ton of rain here in NJ - I haven't noticed any foul odor (or any odor) from the AC since having the HEPA filter changed. I have the old filter - I didn't notice any foul odor in it but I was planning to put some water on it to see if that activates the odor. Note: the HEPA filter design in the refreshed Model S and X is different from the predecessor's HEPA filter. Perhaps it uses a different material.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks Joe. This is a huge help. How many miles were on your car when you replaced it? I’m in service now and trying to convince them other late 21 model s plaids are having the same problem
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks! did they just replace the filter or the whole assembly? Also, it looks like the assembly part number may have changed twice since our build. Would you mind sharing the part number on your invoice? on TPC when I search hepa, they only list the 16-21 filter, not the new one we use, but they do list the assembly. 🤔
@@benwat999 HEPA FILTER ASY(1750575-80-B) - they replaced the whole assembly. They ordered the wrong part at first. Feel free to text me or call me - my phone number is in the email I sent yesterday.
Yes, I've put over 20k miles on the square set up and seeing around 330 wh/mi for my commute which is on par with what I was getting with the OEM 21's. There are some days when I'm in the high 200s (~290 wh/mi) when I drive a bit slower due to traffic.
Great video im new to tesla and new to EV's and decided to go all out and just picked up a 21 plaid and after this video I had to subscribe great info the first thing I'm going to knock out from that list is getting some paint protection and tint and i love the look of those floor mats so i will be getting those as well 👍🏾
It depends on the price of electricity in your area. In my area, the electricity at my home (residential rate) currently cost ~$0.10 / kWh which for my battery (it is a 100 kWh battery) would be $6 to charge from 20% to 80%. The cost of electricity at charging station is based on commercial rates which are around $0.38 / kWh in my area so it would cost $22.80 to charge from 20% to 80%.
The back seat cover that I'm using in the plaid is just a black flat sheet that is folded along the long edge: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NY73KHP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 I found that the car seat covers (e.g., Prince Lionheart and Munchkin Elite) that I've used in other cars do not conform to the contours of the plaid's back seat.
I chose the Chargepoint Home Flex to be eligible for the utility company's (PSEG) off peak charging credit. Eligibility requirements include providing them access to usage data on the charger. The Tesla chargers (wall and mobile) did not qualify (they still don't). There were only 2 brands that qualified, Chargepoint was one of them. I owned stock in Chargepoint (terrible investment) so I chose to go with it. I'm happy with the Home Flex and had one installed at the office too. They now offer an NACS option. That wasn't available when I purchased mine so I use an adapter.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Ah Ok, are you with PSE&G? When I looked up rates on my bill to manage the back up batteries, and tesla charging I felt like I didnt see an off peak rate.
@@victorc168 yes, PSE&G is my electricity provider. I had to apply for the off peak EV credit. Do you use PSE&G as well? Do you have solar? If so, the credit only applies to electricity supplied through PSE&G.
Any thoughts on the round wheel retrofit ? I got used to the yoke but after driving a Model 3 loaner a few days ago ( of course with round wheel,) I’m now thinking about doing the retrofit for $700. I also have an Aug 2021 built plaid.
I think the round wheel that they offer for the Model S and X is a bit too large (probably so that it doesn't block the screen behind it. The steering wheel on the 3 seems smaller to me (I think it is a sporty feeling wheel). Last month I had entertained taking advantage of the FSD transfer by trading my plaid in for a 2023 model. I was ready to pay $1k for the yoke.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee … yeah that’s a good point. The Model 3 wheel does feel sporty and the right size. That being said, the round wheel that Tesla is using at the present time for the S & X seems smaller / nicer than the round wheel when it first became available. I didn’t like it at first but now it looks better and even has a flat bottom. Maybe they improved it recently but maybe I’m wrong. When you have a min, take a look at a picture of the current round wheel and see if you think they improved it. Cheers
@ajbucks I sat in a new S and an X last month when I had contemplated trading in my 2021 to take advantage of the FSD transfer incentive. The steering wheel seemed large to me, and I had decided from that experience that the yoke was worth paying extra for.
Yes, PPF or a wrap would protect the paint from rock chips. From my experience with PPF on a car that is driven a lot on the highway, rocks can still go through the PPF and will damage the PPF itself (which can be removed) which looks bad, but it will save the paint from a lot of damage.
That should help as the negative camber increases as the car is lowered. On the rear axle of my car I measured -1.8 degrees in low mode, -1.6 degrees at standard height, and -1.1 degrees at the high setting. I think having the toe set close to zero would help even more as the tires would "scrub" less.
@TheLifeofJoeLee it's crazy that you have the ability to spank the living hell out of my M5, my grandsport corvette, and my 68 dodge charger, at over 1,000 hp, and your vehicle will do it without even making a sound!
Had an August 2021 Plaid, traded it for a M3P last summer and just bought another Plaid 2 months ago. Better build quality and lots of new/updated features sure you’re familiar with. Is my only car and consider it a special car even if demand isn’t there. Still check it out when I walk away like you said and the performance never gets old. Much faster, quieter, more comfortable, better ride quality than the M3P. Can be your only car with the charging network, all wheel drive, storage space etc. Live in Chicago and have the summer 19’s and run high performace Michelin Alpin winters. Hope the car doesn’t disappear- still the best car they make and has significantly improved. Consider it a performance bargain where I bought it-108k. Even more so now with the latest price drop. Surprises me there isn’t more interest at these levels especially. Much cheaper than it’s competition but may not be around much longer if latest demand trigger is ineffective. Would be a shame and have me looking elsewhere for a high performance luxury sedan. And yes it is luxury-minimalist design does not constitute a lack of luxury. Materials used are top notch after the update. As someone once said trying to define luxury: “Luxury is defined by doing more things better” and that applies here. Not everything perfectly but more things better….Apprciate the update on your car- have seen your earlier videos on it.
Great to hear your experience and thoughts on your Plaids and M3P. I went from a M3P to the Plaid and had questioned whether it was worth the price difference (it was much bigger when I bought my 2021 Plaid). I then sat back in a M3P - that confirmed that I had made the right decision to go with the Plaid. The most recent price drop is shocking - what a good deal!
@@theiceman8190 You and I are in the same boat, lol. Yes, the price cuts kind of screwed us. Good thing it's a good car. I typically change cars every year but I plan to hold onto this one.
I’m in the same boat. I also have an Aug 2021 build (438471 are the last 6 of my VIN) and paid $130k ughh. Mine has 38k miles now. I love the car as much today as I did day 1 so I’m going to hold on to it.
@@ajbucks we've put our cars to good use. I have 37,959 miles on my plaid. My VIN ends in 436072. Driving home today I was thinking that there is no other car that I'd want for my commute.
Good to hear that you haven't had the same problems with your car. I think a couple issues (inaccurate location and broken center console lid) were related to the windshield replacement.
The powertrain warranty on the Model S which includes the battery and motors is good for 150k miles / 8 years, so the cost should be $0 while I own the car. Out of warranty, I hear that it around $20k.
Yes, I like that the yoke doesn't block the instrument cluster and it makes it easier to get in the car as the bottom is flat. It took a couple of days to get used not grabbing the top of it but I now wouldn't want it any other way. In my 911, I regularly have to move my head to see the sides of the instrument cluster through the steering wheel. Last month I had considered ordering a new Model S Plaid given the price drops - I was ready to pay $1k to have the yoke over the steering wheel. I think the steering wheel that now comes standard with the Model S and X is really large. It is probably sized that way so it doesn't block too much off the instrument cluster. For a sports car, I'd only want a yoke if it had a quick enough steering ratio such that the yoke would only need to be moved 90 degrees in either direction. What do you think of the yoke?
I only tried it once in a Model X. Maneuvering in a parking lot is clumsy but for most driving I could get used to it. Agree about round wheel blocking the instrument panel.
Damn! 160 miles round trip commute??? Here I am bitching about my 24 mile round trip commute. LOL. Although it does take me 40 minutes to cover 12 miles in the carpool lane.
Yeah, 160 miles is a lot, lol...and I've been doing it for almost 10 years. It takes me about 70 minutes each way. I used to do that commute 5 days a week (I don't know how), now I do it ~2 days a week.
Sorry to hear. Do you drive with your suspension in low mode? After I had my tires changed, I had Tesla align my car with the suspension set to low (I have my suspension default to low). I plan to closely inspect my tires next week to see how they are holding up after 16k miles.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee interesting. Unfortunately my driveway in on a steep angle and requires the car suspension to go max height every time I park at home. I’m getting the fronts replaced tomorrow. Had Tesla roadside replace the one that basically disintegrated. Also keep the car in plaid mode all the time probably not good for tires.
@sehrishsaeed4477 I keep my car in plaid mode all the time as well. Because the camber gets more negative as the car gets lower, I was hoping that aligning it in low mode would help my situation (at least to get the toe neutral so I wouldn't have negative camber and toe in or toe out). How many miles did you have on your car when the tire failed?
@@TheLifeofJoeLee 21k miles. Also getting the fronts replaced but the wear is pretty even on the fronts. Only had the car for 2 years and getting all 4 tires replaced. Seems odd.
I had the HEPA filter changed about a month ago. We've had some hot and humid days since changing the filter. Thus far, the smell has not come back. Hopefully, that resolved the problem.
I still have the M2. I had purchased the Type R to replace the Plaid as my daily as it has strong resale value, high fun factor, etc. In the end, I found that the Plaid is so well suited for my uses that I no longer wanted to replace it. I ended up selling the Type R as I found that as much as I loved it, I really didn't have time to drive it. I found myself driving the M2 much more.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Great to hear that! Type R is definitely a great car for the MSRP but I agree with you that M2 is more fun for sure. I had a M2 order and I had an october allocation but I found 2021 M240 in manual in mint condition so I canceled my order. In the end, there are no regrets since I saved around $20K+ and the power of first gen b58 is more than enough for me.
@@tolgaayazseven9139Great to hear about your M240i! I think they look great and you can't go wrong with the B58 engine. I think it sounds better than the S58.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Thanks sir! Yeah, its stock right now so it's sound ok. The car is very light that makes you wanna push around the corner every time. Only thing it misses is the heads up display and little comfier seats.
Your smell in humid issue is water POURING into your fan and cabin filter in bucket loads from Poor design of the intake. My video shows a 10$ fix . Thank me after
@oci464 thanks for sharing! That helps explain why changing the HEPA filter, which is under that opening, eliminated the smell for me. I'll try your solution to prevent the smell from coming back.
For most people, the long range is the way to go. The plaid traps the quarter mile around 25 mph higher - it takes a lot of additional power to add that much speed. The plaid offers an opportunity to experience a car that does the quarter mile in less than 9 seconds with a trap speed of over 150 mph while maintaining a factory warranty. Most people don't care about that... but for me, that is a dream come true.
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My 2022 Model S Plaid is the greatest daily drive car ever. The sound system, the acceleration, the quietness, the security,..... Second to none.
Yes, but at a cost! Let's be honest about it, the tire wear alone on the Plaid should be common knowledge.
@@muriloninja I have three of the OEM tires going and I am at 22K miles. One tire was replaced, it had a blowout. I just looked at my Tesla Electric bill, and my Tesla charged 383Kw for the month, all at night after 10 PM at no charge. The torque vectoring done on this car is insane. I don't leave rubber.
@@muriloninjacurious, do you own one?
@@Dr.Octogon, in general, the naysayers don’t own one. Love my plaid. Way too powerful for daily driving, but that’s why it’s special, and the cost of maintenance is practically nothing compared to supercars.
So this is what it sounds like when a real human being provides a ~long term car review.
Favorite actual long term review. Tired of the other car youtubers. This was actually useful
Thank you for the feedback! I plan to provide an an update on the Plaid (the car now has 51k miles) next weekend.
this is a very nice and thorough "revisit" for a Tesla, i like that you opt in for the things that can protect the car like the mudflap, ppf and the seat cover, and keep it well maintained (as any car owner should) instead of going bare bones then use it regularly and points out "Cons' that it has
Your last comment is very interesting/important - "this is the car I take when I have to go out". While your fun cars, you're taking out specifically to have fun. That seems to align with my current perspective that modern traffic patterns, and congestion, make for limited opportunities to have fun , in proper fun cars (and without alot of extra money, there are such diminishing returns to have high dollar fun cars). I like that you're a real car enthusiast of all cars - breath of fresh air.
My Tesla S has been flawless. None of the issues you’ve had. Best car I’ve ever owned
Great to hear! I still consider my Model S to be the best car, in general, that I've owned.
I watched your 51k miles review a week or two ago. Love your honest reviews.
Not sure how this popped up on my YT feed. I call you OCD Joe but in a compliment way. I’m OCD myself. Have a great Sunday Joe
Thanks for the comment! It is great to meet you here! I hope you are enjoying the day.
I have a 2021 S Plaid. I have fixed the inner wear problem with alignment spacers that push out the upper control arm so the rear tire becomes more vertical (less negative camber). Of course an alignment would be required after the spacers to correct toe. Took 1/8" thick spacer on the drivers rear side and 1/4" (two 1/8") on the passenger. I used longer bolts on the passenger side just to be sure of plenty thread engagement. Other than rear tire wear I love the car. These cars definitely have great acceleration. On my Dragy I managed a 5.03 seconds from 60-130 mph.
From my understanding the tire wear issue is attributed to the 21” wheels and the 19” wheels do not exhibit the same tire wear behavior
I've been on the fence for a while now, but this video has convinced me to get one. Picking it up next week. Very well done! Thanks.
Great to hear! Thank you for the comment! What color are you getting? I now have 53k miles on my Plaid - it is running strong and still suits my lifestyle perfectly.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee the ultra red. I’ve seen a few TH-cam vids about build quality on the red in particular, but hopefully they fixed those.
Cracking me up; I leave my wife’s Lexus running when I get out too. Keep forgetting to push that fancy start/stop button 😂😂.
Love my MSP!
👻 I went from the Model 3 Performance in 2018 to a Plaid in 2021. Traded the Plaid for the 2022 Plaid the following year. Better build quality in my opinion from the previous year. Love the car. The 2021 Plaid was awesome BUT the 2022 is just better lol. Be safe, enjoy your Tesla 😊 👍🏾👻
Good update on the car. Looks like a spacious, fast, and all around great daily driver.
Thanks!
I Xpeled the entire exterior and also filmed the windshield. Got the track pack brakes installed. Im only 1800 miles in and going to yolo enjoy my MSP especially after the recent price cuts. Whatever Elon. I’m waiting on HRE 21” monoblock wheels to further lighten and strengthen. At some point will get the camber adjustment arms. Thanks for sharing! MSP is the best looking four door ev sedan on the market still.
Great to hear about your Plaid! Good call on the protection! The latest price cut was a surprise - what a bargain! Fortunately, I've gotten a lot of use out of my car and I intend to hold onto it. I look forward to hearing updates on your car.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I Xpeled only the 'front'.. wish I'd don't the full exterior lol. Been loving my S since 2017.. no plaid obviously.. but still a wicked good machine. Has aged very well. Still can't find a better EV I'd choose, except a refreshed one. The recent price cuts are making it VERY tempting to go a Plaid.
@@airheart1 You can get a brand new Plaid for under $100k and the used ones will get pushed down in value accordingly (stinks for me, lol).
@@TheLifeofJoeLee lol yeah.. I paid more for my 100D than you would pay to buy a Plaid today.. it’s crazy how they’ve been able to improve the product and reduce cost. Half the reason I’m loath to upgrade is the resale value of my S.. the blue book is around 25-30k.. for a car that you couldn’t match with a $50k new car. The battery replacement nonsense is BS.. my battery is going good for another decade at its current rate of degradation. I don’t get it. I am not selling my S for 25k lol. It’s f’n robbery. 50k, yeah.. I’d go for a refreshed S.. but at this point I think I’ll keep her till she dies and just buy another addition.. got married recently and she’s interested in a Tesla.. but debating on getting a cybertruck next. Waiting to see the final production specs and cost. Would be cool for my long commute.. to absorb the beating the cars take on the highway.
@@airheart1 Tesla pricing is pretty wild. The MSRP on my 2018 Model 3 Performance with FSD was over $80k - I was shocked to find the original sticker in the car (I bought it used). The unwarranted concern that I see with EV batteries is similar to how people viewed hybrids back in the day...no one really talks about hybrid batteries anymore - I suspect that same will be the case with EV batteries in a few years. I placed an order for a Cybertruck (i.e., I paid $100 to get in line for one) - I'm excited for it. Given the demand, my order will probably be fulfilled in a couple years.
Great video Joe. Always interesting to see and hear your car collection progress.
Thank you!
That blue is so beautiful
Hi Joe, thank you for taking the time to share your experiences with Tesla. Can you post links to after market parts? Floor mats, wheels...
Thank you for watching! Links to the aftermarket parts on my car are provided below:
Floormats: tsportline.com/products/tesla-model-s-maxpider-3d-kagu-all-weather-custom-fit-floor-liner-mats?_pos=1&_sid=5bfbca955&_ss=r&variant=42618669531330
Wheels and tires: tsportline.com/collections/20-tesla-wheel-tire-packages-model-s-long-range-plaid-june-2021-present/products/ts5-20-tesla-model-s-long-range-plaid-wheel-and-tire-package-set-of-4?variant=40901799084226
Mudflaps: tsportline.com/collections/tesla-model-s-carbon-fiber-exterior-upgrades-accessories/products/tesla-model-s-carbon-fiber-mud-flaps?variant=41479609876674
Great videos, Joe. Thanks for taking the time to make them. As a fellow owner, I have a much more boring question: What are those floor mats? I missed the name of them, and they look a lot nicer than anything I've been considering. I'm not a fan of the big rubber tub mats you normally see advertised.
Thanks for the feedback! Those are the 3D MAXpider Kagu floormats. I've had them in multiple cars - I love how they have a warmer look than traditional rubber mats and they are easier to maintain.
I bought a used 2022 blue Plaid with 4000 miles on the odometer and FSD included. Rear tire replacement at 7K and alignment by Tesla after being towed. The rear 21” tires are wider so wheel rotation is not 😢possible as they are directional as well. I guess I could spring for new tires and rims. What would you recommend? I don’t think I have any warranty as I bought it as a trade from a VW dealer. No issues like you’ve described so far. Thanks for sharing.
I just had my second 21" rear tire failure (the inner edge came apart) earlier this month. The tire that failed had ~10k miles on them. I had a wheel alignment performed by Tesla after the first tire failure. I put my Arachnids back on for the summer after I took off the 20" all season set up for an update video and just left them on not thinking I would have premature tire failure again because I had a wheel alignment done. My 20" all season tire set up has over 30k miles on them. That tells me that there is something up with the 21" Arachnid wheel and tire combo since my 20" set up doesn't have the inner edge wear problem. Some people think that it is the negative camber that is causing the tire failure - there are aftermarket solutions to adjust the camber for the rear suspension. I haven't tried it yet but Macboost is the solution that I would go with as it the simplest and lowest cost solution. I suspect that there is an issue with the tire design - I plan to open a claim with Michelin. Does it get cold where you live? If so, perhaps consider an all season tire on an aftermarket wheel? If you don't need all season tires and want to keep the OEM wheels and tires, perhaps try a camber kit like the one offered by Macboost (www.macsboost.com/product/macsboost-tesla-s-x-camber-kit-2021-palladium/)?
Super video! Thx! I have a 2018 Model S base model with 21” Twin Turbines. Rear Tires: my inner shoulders wear out faster (ie uneven wear). The Tesla service center told me that Tesla “Toes-In” (camber alignment) the rears on Model S for performance handling. Uneven wear on rears is natural by Tesla.
Thanks! Good point on uneven tirewear. The rear tires on my old model 3 performance wore more on the inside. However, they lasted much longer. At 35k miles, when I sold the car, it was still on the original tires.
On Joe's other video, he said that after he got wheel alignment done with car set to low suspension, the problem with inner tire wear was gone.
Thank you very much, for all the honest to goodness videos with lots of useful and basic information for day to day life, using your Tesla car. I also have a 2020 model 3 performance package Tesla in Blue, and I always get compliments and people always like to let me know, how much they like the color of the car. I appreciate your videos, and I've subscribed to your channel as of now. Have a great day. I also like your Porsche in your garage.
Thank you for the feedback and for subscribing! Great to hear about your Model 3 Performance!
Good video. Respect your opinions and experiences on the car. I’m 23 so I can’t afford this yet but I’m looking to get one as my final dream car. Currently looking at getting a Tesla model 3 M3P which is my current dream car since 16.
Thanks for the comment! I think the Model 3 Performance is a great car. The 10:1 steering ratio, relatively small steering wheel, and lighter weight relative to the Model S give it a sporty go-cart feel that I missed when I replaced mine with the Model S Plaid.
Plaid = Best DD on the planet
I agree!
Good review. Hard to believe the current price point of this car for what you get performance-wise. $90-92k and paint options are no longer an upcharge. I'd be happy with the base model S for $75k! I'd want the upgraded brakes. Sorry if I missed it, but do you feel the brakes have been an issue for you?
Thanks for the feedback. I've had some hairy moments with the brakes when trying to slow down immediately after a "full throttle" acceleration. I attribute that to the momentum of the car which has to stop accelerating before it starts slowing down. I've never noticed a problem with the brakes under normal driving or just trying to slow down from a high speed.
hello fellow Joe! Finally a video i can relate to! You said you have a 160 mile commute round-trip. I too have have a long commute, 174 mi a day. 5 days a week. Do you commute everyday? I too also have a M3p sitting around 125k of miles now. What made you decide to upgrade to a Model S Plaid? Im trying to convince myself to do the same but my m3p has been good to me but just caked with rock chips on the rear fenders and doors. However my front ppf is doing good, it absorbed most if not all the rock chips 😅
Hi Joe! Great to hear about your Model 3 Performance and the miles that you have on it! I commute 2 - 3 days / week. I used to commute 5 days a week, but that was before I purchased a Tesla. Although my commute is 160 miles, I regularly travel 200+ miles in a given day. With the Model 3 Performance, I had to stop to charge on those 200+ mile days. I wanted a little more range so that I wouldn't have to stop to charge. Going for a Plaid instead of a Long Range was a YOLO move (owning a car with over 1000 hp is a dream come true) and I'm happy with my decision. The Plaid makes the commute (which is mostly highway) shorter and more fun - it is a beast at highway speeds. The Model 3 Performance has quicker steering and feels more nimble. The extra weight of the Model S is noticeable. On local roads, I prefer the feel of the Model 3 (at least from what I recall). For highway driving, I prefer the Model S (more relaxed steering, faster acceleration, more comfortable seats and suspension). Also, I like having ventilated seats on hot days.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks so much for your input and experience. This is valuable info I need to convince my CFO. (Wife) to let me go for it. 🤣
Hi, the reason why the tire did rip apart was probably because the suspension settings are screwed up, lit in many Teslas because of the large tolerances at the production facility. Did you do a alignment on the suspension settings?
Hello, I think my wheel alignment was not set right from the factory with too much toe out in the rear. I had my alignment done at Tesla service center after I had my tires replaced. I asked them to performed the wheel alignment with the car in low mode as I wanted the toe to be set properly in the mode that I drive in the most. When I went to pick up the car, I asked them for the before and after and they said that they didn't have the numbers to give me as they had "cleared" the data (perhaps they didn't want to?). I didn't think much of it but I noticed that the back end of the car was much more stable in the rain after the alignment. The camber is not adjustable back there so the toe is the only thing that was changed. I'm on a different set of wheels and tires now so it is not apples to applies, but I have over 25k miles on my current set of tires. When I checked them at 20k miles, they were worn evenly with about 50% tread left.
been looking forward to this!
Thank for the video. Helpful as I wait for my MSP
Good honest video. Seems like this car did have some issues that would bother most people. Did you stick with a staggered set up? If so, have you noticed a decrease in range with the T sportline 20’ rims? ⚡️
Thanks! I still have the square setup T Sportline wheels on the car. I put the 21" Arachnids back on for about a month in fall. The OEM tires are quieter but I like the look (lower offset and style) of the T Sportline wheels better. Now that I have over 20k miles on the T Sportline wheels and Michelin Pilot Sport All Season 4 tires, I'm getting slightly better range (~3%) than with the 21" Arachnids.
@@TheLifeofJoeLeeis there a big decrease in wear with the 20” Tsports? I just ordered ‘24 MSP and I switched to the 19’s last minute because I really don’t want to deal with constant tire issues(which I dealt with on my 21s on my E43 AMG).
My plan is to get some 20” Tsportlines as well, but really curious if it’ll still wear a lot like the 21s or much better like the 19s…
@@Tommy43087 I've put 30k miles on the 20" T-Sportline set up with Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 4 tires and I estimate that they could go another 10k - 15 k miles (they have 40% tread depth remaining and are worn evenly). I'll be filming an update on my wheel and tire set up within the next 2 weeks. The original tires that were on the 21" arachnid wheels were replaced after 18k miles when one rear tire wore through the cords and the rest of the tires had pretty bad wear on the inside edge. I had a wheel alignment performed when I replaced the tires (had the alignment set while the car was in low mode). There are a lot of variables here (different tire compounds, wheel alignment, etc.), but I'm happy with the longevity of the 20" set up.
By the way, is the security of the Tesla cars, good enough, or do you recommend an after market alarm for the car???
With sentry mode, the absence of a key fob (i.e., no RF signal to clone or amplify), the option to require a pin to be entered before the car can be driven, and the fact that the car's location is always known, I think the security features provided by Tesla are sufficient. I didn't find marketing of aftermarket alarm systems for Tesla.
Very cool , good thing you put down the cover on the back seat, my kids car seat ruined the leather in my genesis. 2 permanent creases.
Sorry to hear about your seats. In the past I had purchased protective covers that were specifically marketed for car seats - I found that the textured bottom side left marks on my seat which is why I went with a cloth sheet for this car. The cloth sheet covers more of the seat which helps in the summer when the kids have sunscreen on for summer camp.
My 2018 recently has had some issues with the steering wheel and most recently Tesla support is telling me that updates are not fully
Being pushed thru although car says they are. So I think I may have hit my limit with this guy….too many little issues add up
Hi Joe, are you planning to do an update on real life range on road trip conditions in the near future?
@borishristev63 I plan to have a 51k mile update on TH-cam this weekend that will include a range update for my 160-mile commute.
I am looking forward to it.
Hey Joe - love your videos! I'm curious about the all-seasons and how they affect performance. I'm running the stock P-Zero tires on my Plaid but was wanting to switch to the coveted PS4S as it's my daily. You mentioned something about it @2:05 -- have you seen a big degradation in grip/performance? 0-60 or 60-130mph times? Not that you're going out and doing 1/4 on the highway all the time, hehe... Thanks in advance!
Thanks for the comment! I'm running the Michelin Pilot Sport AS4 - I'm happy with the tire considering its all weather grip. Compared to the PS4S, I notice a little more slip when launching the car. I don't mind it but it is noticeable. Once the car is moving I don't notice any difference in grip but I don't have acceleration data to compare the two tires. With the AS4s not being an EV tire (there is no foam in the tire), there is a noticeable increase in road noise transmitting into the cabin. However, despite the tradeoffs I didn't care to put the Arachnids with PS4S tires back on the car this summer. In a couple weeks when I provide an update on the TS5 wheels and AS4s, I'm thinking of putting the OEM wheels and tires back on just to remind myself of what they are like.
fantastic! Thanks so much, @@TheLifeofJoeLee . Keep up the great content :-)
Great review. I’m considering getting a 2021 model s plaid over a brand new 2024 model 3 (LR or performance once it’s out). What are you thoughts? Is the plaid a no brainer? I’m using it for mainly daily driving, but I haven’t upgraded my car in a while so I’d like to splurge a bit. Thanks for your input!
Thanks! I still love my Model S Plaid (I now have 43k miles on it) and consider it to be the best daily driver for me. I don't have experience with the new Model 3 but having owned the previous gen Model 3 Performance and having had a Model Y LR as a loaner recently, I wouldn't sell my car for one. Here are a few things to consider with the 2021 Model S Plaid: 1) the bumper-to-bumper factory warranty will likely only have a year or so left so factor in repair costs and/or the cost of an extended warranty (I plan to get one); 2) the Model S Plaid is known to go through tires quickly so factor that cost in - I think the factory wheel alignment is part of the problem - my second set of tires is wearing much better (I have over 25k mile on them and they still look good); it is a bigger car and is less nimble than the Model 3 - if you are primarily driving in an urban city, the Model 3 may be better suited.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks for the elaborate response. Interesting, I thought the 2021 would have the original 100k mile warranty. I’ll have to inquire about that.
@Mamba310 The power train warranty that covers the motors, battery, etc. is good for 8 years / 150k miles. The bumper-to-bumper basic warranty is 4 years / 50k miles.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee ah ok, that makes sense. Thank you. So essentially I’d have roughly 4 years left on the warranty on a 2021 (assuming the mileage is low).
@@Skeetskeet333 It nice that the Model S and X have relatively long powertrain and battery warranties. The powertrain and battery warranties on my 2021 are good until Aug 2029 / 150k miles. I'm thinking of getting an extended warranty for the other components incase something goes wrong with the suspension, ECU, screens, etc. Feel free to email me if you have any other questions: joeymlee@gmail.com
The glass on teslas chip and crack easly. I have both a model s and 3 and had them both twice with less than 30k miles.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with Tesla glass. My replacement windshield has a lot of chips. If I ever need to replace it because of a crack, I'm going to protect the new windshield with XPEL windshield film.
Such a great looking car !! Also live the rims - what are they ?
Thanks! The wheels are 20" T Sportline TS5. Here is a link to a video on the wheels: th-cam.com/video/dzEphnFPdt8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iRBh9xIx1JZC56b_
My sister sold her Model 3. So many small issues that are just annoying. She went back to a Rav4. Teslas response to the issues was pretty much just saying that they were common and thats it.
Sorry to hear about your sister's experience with her Model 3. The service centers differ quite a bit and can really make or break one's experience.
Great review! how long do you think you will keep the car? and do you think is worth to buy and used one for Examples a 2021 in 2024?
Thank you! I have 57k miles on the Plaid. I had contemplated replacing it as I typically don't hold onto cars this long, but after looking into some other vehicles (to include the BMW M3, Audi RS5 and RS6, Audi eTron GT, Porsche Taycan and Porsche Macan EV) I haven't found anything worth replacing it with. The Plaid suits my use case as a daily driver. At this point, I plan to hold onto it until it starts becoming problematic or if hw3 becomes too limiting. A few weeks ago I had looked into trading for a brand new Plaid (I like the new Silver option) but I didn't think it was worth it financially. It sounds like you are open to buying used - I recommend going that route given the sharp depreciation of EVs, which the Plaid was not spared from. If FSD is important to you, I recommend going with a 2023+ that has hw4. I'm still good with the FSD on my hw3 car - I use it all the time as my car is my rolling office.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Thank you so much for the reply. I am planing to buy an used Tesla Model S Long range for the same reason you mentioned "depreciation" ultimately I want this car for the practically but I am car enthusiast and I was entertaining the idea of buying the M2 However, I think financially in the long term the Tesla made more sense as your primary car. I am planing to keep the car for a long time since I like to keep my cars for more than 5 years. Please keep us updated on the maintenance since there is not a lot of videos on models S high milage from 2021 and up models. Do you think it will be smart decision financially if I am planing to hold the car for 5 years or more to buy knew? instead of use?
How many miles do you typically drive in a year? Will you be able to charge the car at home or at work? For me, the Model S suited me better as a daily driver than the G87 M2. The G87 was more fun during the occasions when I wanted to row gears or hear the engine but I prefer the instant torque, ability to stay under the radar (i.e., doesn't make much noise when I want to get somewhere quickly without getting pulled over), better tech, and more comfortable interior of the Model S. The battery and drive unit warranty on the Model S is 8 years / 150k miles. The basic warranty is 4 years / 50k miles. An extended warranty to 150k miles which covers most of the basic warranty items can be purchased for around $3k miles. Although there is less downside financial risk with the long range than the plaid, unless you think you'll own it for 7+ years, in which case, the full battery and drivetrain warranty would be beneficial, I still think it is better financially to buy a 1 - 2 year old car that has taken its initial depreciation hit. At this point, I will be providing an update on my car every 10k miles. I plan to include results of a battery health test in my video.
@ I drive between 10k to 12k per year and definitely will be charging a at home. Thank for the all the information. Much appreciated
Great video! Looking forward to more m2 content :)
Thanks! I recorded a video on the M2 this past weekend - I hope to have that out within a week.
I guess my center console has the same problem, it slams violently. it has never soft closed.
I recommend seeing if you can get that resolved under the warranty.
Hey Joe, on your tire replacement for over 2K, I assume you had all 4 tires changed out?
Hello, yes it cost me $2236 to have all 4 tires changed.
Great video, thank you very much..Happy New Year!
Thank you! Happy New Year!
Great review! Very thorough and informative! This was extremely encouraging and much appreciated!! ✅
Thank you for the feedback!
@@TheLifeofJoeLee My pleasure! I'm contemplating one!
Hey Joe, love the content and just subscribed. I’m currently driving a ‘21 M3P (from a ‘19 RS3) and am looking at purchasing a MSP. I had some questions that I don’t want to contest your chat with - if you have an email you’re willing to share please shoot it my way. Saw you’re in Cherry Hill, I’m in Hamilton Township, small world we live in. Thanks either way and all the best.
Thanks for the comment! My email address is joeymlee@gmail.com. You are relatively local - I was just up in that area on Monday. I look forward to your email.
NEED HELP!: this is truly an amazing car, I bought mine a couple weeks ago and accidentally already scraped a bit the bottom of the nose coming out of a parking lot very slowly, you can't actually see it unless you get under like a mechanic haha but have you scrape yours? how do you mitigate this issue in your experience?
Congrats on your Model S Plaid! Sorry to hear about the scrape. Fortunately, the car doesn't have any active aero that will get damaged from scraping the bumper. The car has air suspension so if I'm approaching a steep transition (e.g., pulling into a driveway or parking lot), I'll raise it up to high. One neat feature is that the car will remember where you raised it up and will automatically raise the suspension when you are there (you can tell it to forgot the area if you don't want it to raise there).
I hav done 😢the same thing. I now raise the suspension if I can just remember more often.
Thanks for the video! really considering trading in my M3P for an S plaid since the price has dropped so much. I have a couple rattling noises that come and go in the interior but other than that I've had zero complaints about my M3. Trying to do as much homework as I can before deciding whether or not I want to go through with it
If you have any questions, let me know. I went from a M3P to this S Plaid. I think the S Plaid is a bargain at where it is currently priced.
I went from a M3 dm + performance upgrade, to a 2023 Plaid. (pretty similar performance to a M3P) I agree with what @TheLifeofJoeLee says. However,....during normal road use, the Plaid doesn't feel "Seat of the pants" that much quicker than my M3! People are going to say I'm crazy, 2 secs 0 -60 vs 3.6secs how can I say that!? Answer: They are both bloomin fast but the Plaid doesn't "feel" twice as fast. Maybe it's because you haven't got it in track mode etc when you are using it as a daily driver. That said, I'm not disappointed by the Plaid in any way and with the price cuts, it's a real bargain. Worth 2 M3P's? No, but if you can afford it, what the heck. My suggestion is, go and test drive a Plaid and see what you think.
@@alexd302so if you could go back in time would u just keep the M3?
No. I love the Plaid. I do however still have the M3 which my wife now uses.
Both are great cars.
Is the Plaid worth 2 x M3P? No.
But you could equally ask is a Merc S class worth 2 x C class? and the answer again would be no.@@THECANDYISGONE
Have you had issues with rear tires inner tread wearing out every 5000 miles?
The original driver's side rear tire wore through the cords on the inside edge at around 18k miles. The inner edge on the passenger side rear tire was pretty worn but probably had another 3k miles left on it. When I replaced all 4 tires, I had the car realigned at Tesla with the suspension set on low mode. I've put close to 20k miles on the current set of tires and they seem to be holding up.
Joe, did Tesla resolve your rain smell? I have a 21 Plaid as well (made in August) and Tesla Service been trying and failing for two years to resolve the issue. It always happens when it rains.
Yes, the smelly AC problem has been resolved. I was giving it some time before speaking about it, but I'm confident now that the problem has been resolved. Based on what I had read on one of the Tesla forums, I asked them to change the HEPA filter that is under the hood. The service center tried talking me out of it as that filter is recommended to be changed every 5 years and it was pricey ($600), but I asked them to do it anyway. I've since put over 1k miles on the car and we've had a ton of rain here in NJ - I haven't noticed any foul odor (or any odor) from the AC since having the HEPA filter changed. I have the old filter - I didn't notice any foul odor in it but I was planning to put some water on it to see if that activates the odor.
Note: the HEPA filter design in the refreshed Model S and X is different from the predecessor's HEPA filter. Perhaps it uses a different material.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks Joe. This is a huge help. How many miles were on your car when you replaced it? I’m in service now and trying to convince them other late 21 model s plaids are having the same problem
@@benwat999 I had 35k miles on my car.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee thanks! did they just replace the filter or the whole assembly? Also, it looks like the assembly part number may have changed twice since our build. Would you mind sharing the part number on your invoice? on TPC when I search hepa, they only list the 16-21 filter, not the new one we use, but they do list the assembly. 🤔
@@benwat999 HEPA FILTER ASY(1750575-80-B) - they replaced the whole assembly. They ordered the wrong part at first. Feel free to text me or call me - my phone number is in the email I sent yesterday.
Great video Joe!
Thanks!
Joe, have you settled in now on what you see as the range impact of the 20" TS5's with square 285's vs. the OEM 21's?
Yes, I've put over 20k miles on the square set up and seeing around 330 wh/mi for my commute which is on par with what I was getting with the OEM 21's. There are some days when I'm in the high 200s (~290 wh/mi) when I drive a bit slower due to traffic.
That’s great news! I recall you had some pretty inefficient results initially and I’m glad to hear that worked itself out!
Great video im new to tesla and new to EV's and decided to go all out and just picked up a 21 plaid and after this video I had to subscribe great info the first thing I'm going to knock out from that list is getting some paint protection and tint and i love the look of those floor mats so i will be getting those as well 👍🏾
Congrats on the new plaid! Thanks for subscribing! I'm providing a long-term perspective on the plaid. I'm about to cross 40k miles.
@TheLifeofJoeLee nice I picked my plaid up with 29k do you know any good websites for customizing this car.
@demchevyboyz The two aftermarket companies that I've checked out are 1) Tsportline: tsportline.com/ and 2) RPM Tesla: www.rpmtesla.com/
Whats the cost to recharge from home and whats the price to charge at one of the stations. thanks
It depends on the price of electricity in your area. In my area, the electricity at my home (residential rate) currently cost ~$0.10 / kWh which for my battery (it is a 100 kWh battery) would be $6 to charge from 20% to 80%. The cost of electricity at charging station is based on commercial rates which are around $0.38 / kWh in my area so it would cost $22.80 to charge from 20% to 80%.
Good stuff. Gonna sell my ‘19 CTS V and get one of these 👍🏻.
Can you link the back car seat cover for the car seats please!
The back seat cover that I'm using in the plaid is just a black flat sheet that is folded along the long edge: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08NY73KHP/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1
I found that the car seat covers (e.g., Prince Lionheart and Munchkin Elite) that I've used in other cars do not conform to the contours of the plaid's back seat.
How did you decide on the charger you're using?
I chose the Chargepoint Home Flex to be eligible for the utility company's (PSEG) off peak charging credit. Eligibility requirements include providing them access to usage data on the charger. The Tesla chargers (wall and mobile) did not qualify (they still don't). There were only 2 brands that qualified, Chargepoint was one of them. I owned stock in Chargepoint (terrible investment) so I chose to go with it. I'm happy with the Home Flex and had one installed at the office too. They now offer an NACS option. That wasn't available when I purchased mine so I use an adapter.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Ah Ok, are you with PSE&G? When I looked up rates on my bill to manage the back up batteries, and tesla charging I felt like I didnt see an off peak rate.
@@victorc168 yes, PSE&G is my electricity provider. I had to apply for the off peak EV credit. Do you use PSE&G as well? Do you have solar? If so, the credit only applies to electricity supplied through PSE&G.
Any thoughts on the round wheel retrofit ? I got used to the yoke but after driving a Model 3 loaner a few days ago ( of course with round wheel,) I’m now thinking about doing the retrofit for $700. I also have an Aug 2021 built plaid.
I think the round wheel that they offer for the Model S and X is a bit too large (probably so that it doesn't block the screen behind it. The steering wheel on the 3 seems smaller to me (I think it is a sporty feeling wheel). Last month I had entertained taking advantage of the FSD transfer by trading my plaid in for a 2023 model. I was ready to pay $1k for the yoke.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee … yeah that’s a good point. The Model 3 wheel does feel sporty and the right size. That being said, the round wheel that Tesla is using at the present time for the S & X seems smaller / nicer than the round wheel when it first became available. I didn’t like it at first but now it looks better and even has a flat bottom. Maybe they improved it recently but maybe I’m wrong. When you have a min, take a look at a picture of the current round wheel and see if you think they improved it. Cheers
@ajbucks I sat in a new S and an X last month when I had contemplated trading in my 2021 to take advantage of the FSD transfer incentive. The steering wheel seemed large to me, and I had decided from that experience that the yoke was worth paying extra for.
Thank you!
Hello would a wrap help out with the chips or the PPF better.
Yes, PPF or a wrap would protect the paint from rock chips. From my experience with PPF on a car that is driven a lot on the highway, rocks can still go through the PPF and will damage the PPF itself (which can be removed) which looks bad, but it will save the paint from a lot of damage.
If you don't always drive the car in the lowest suspension settings witj 21s does it help with the tire wear on all stock suspension?
That should help as the negative camber increases as the car is lowered. On the rear axle of my car I measured -1.8 degrees in low mode, -1.6 degrees at standard height, and -1.1 degrees at the high setting. I think having the toe set close to zero would help even more as the tires would "scrub" less.
Wow! Awesome car! Do you have people occasionally try and race you?
Thanks! I wish people would try to race me, lol.
@TheLifeofJoeLee it's crazy that you have the ability to spank the living hell out of my M5, my grandsport corvette, and my 68 dodge charger, at over 1,000 hp, and your vehicle will do it without even making a sound!
What size tires and rims are your 20" setup?
The wheels are 20”x10” with a +35 offset and the tires are 285/40/20. It is a square set up.
Had an August 2021 Plaid, traded it for a M3P last summer and just bought another Plaid 2 months ago. Better build quality and lots of new/updated features sure you’re familiar with. Is my only car and consider it a special car even if demand isn’t there. Still check it out when I walk away like you said and the performance never gets old. Much faster, quieter, more comfortable, better ride quality than the M3P. Can be your only car with the charging network, all wheel drive, storage space etc. Live in Chicago and have the summer 19’s and run high performace Michelin Alpin winters. Hope the car doesn’t disappear- still the best car they make and has significantly improved. Consider it a performance bargain where I bought it-108k. Even more so now with the latest price drop. Surprises me there isn’t more interest at these levels especially. Much cheaper than it’s competition but may not be around much longer if latest demand trigger is ineffective. Would be a shame and have me looking elsewhere for a high performance luxury sedan. And yes it is luxury-minimalist design does not constitute a lack of luxury. Materials used are top notch after the update. As someone once said trying to define luxury: “Luxury is defined by doing more things better” and that applies here. Not everything perfectly but more things better….Apprciate the update on your car- have seen your earlier videos on it.
Great to hear your experience and thoughts on your Plaids and M3P. I went from a M3P to the Plaid and had questioned whether it was worth the price difference (it was much bigger when I bought my 2021 Plaid). I then sat back in a M3P - that confirmed that I had made the right decision to go with the Plaid. The most recent price drop is shocking - what a good deal!
@@TheLifeofJoeLee I bought my Plaid when it was $130k base (~$138k for my spec before taxes). Kinda screws over us existing owners, doesn’t it? 😅
@@theiceman8190 You and I are in the same boat, lol. Yes, the price cuts kind of screwed us. Good thing it's a good car. I typically change cars every year but I plan to hold onto this one.
I’m in the same boat. I also have an Aug 2021 build (438471 are the last 6 of my VIN) and paid $130k ughh. Mine has 38k miles now.
I love the car as much today as I did day 1 so I’m going to hold on to it.
@@ajbucks we've put our cars to good use. I have 37,959 miles on my plaid. My VIN ends in 436072. Driving home today I was thinking that there is no other car that I'd want for my commute.
Damn.. You had a bunch of issues with yours. I haven't had any of that with mine. I have similar miles as you too on my 21 MSP.
Good to hear that you haven't had the same problems with your car. I think a couple issues (inaccurate location and broken center console lid) were related to the windshield replacement.
Hurts just looking at all those rock chips
It looks even worse under bright lights. Fortunately, I don't see them when I'm driving.
approximate cost of batteries to replace?
The powertrain warranty on the Model S which includes the battery and motors is good for 150k miles / 8 years, so the cost should be $0 while I own the car. Out of warranty, I hear that it around $20k.
Would you buy another car with a yoke?
Yes, I like that the yoke doesn't block the instrument cluster and it makes it easier to get in the car as the bottom is flat. It took a couple of days to get used not grabbing the top of it but I now wouldn't want it any other way. In my 911, I regularly have to move my head to see the sides of the instrument cluster through the steering wheel. Last month I had considered ordering a new Model S Plaid given the price drops - I was ready to pay $1k to have the yoke over the steering wheel. I think the steering wheel that now comes standard with the Model S and X is really large. It is probably sized that way so it doesn't block too much off the instrument cluster. For a sports car, I'd only want a yoke if it had a quick enough steering ratio such that the yoke would only need to be moved 90 degrees in either direction. What do you think of the yoke?
I only tried it once in a Model X. Maneuvering in a parking lot is clumsy but for most driving I could get used to it. Agree about round wheel blocking the instrument panel.
Great video!
any change in 1/4 mile time?
I'm not sure as I haven't tried measuring lately (I'd swap back to summer tires for better grip) but the car doesn't feel slower.
What size wheels and tires and brand pls
They are T Sportline TS5 wheels in 20"x10". More info can be found in this video: th-cam.com/video/dzEphnFPdt8/w-d-xo.html
Yeah you look thrilled 😅
Yeah, I've been told that I don't show emotions, lol.
Damn! 160 miles round trip commute??? Here I am bitching about my 24 mile round trip commute. LOL. Although it does take me 40 minutes to cover 12 miles in the carpool lane.
Yeah, 160 miles is a lot, lol...and I've been doing it for almost 10 years. It takes me about 70 minutes each way. I used to do that commute 5 days a week (I don't know how), now I do it ~2 days a week.
Imagine germany machines were equipped with these tesla platform
Same issue with tire. Uneven wear. Tire completely deflated on road.
Sorry to hear. Do you drive with your suspension in low mode? After I had my tires changed, I had Tesla align my car with the suspension set to low (I have my suspension default to low). I plan to closely inspect my tires next week to see how they are holding up after 16k miles.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee interesting. Unfortunately my driveway in on a steep angle and requires the car suspension to go max height every time I park at home. I’m getting the fronts replaced tomorrow. Had Tesla roadside replace the one that basically disintegrated. Also keep the car in plaid mode all the time probably not good for tires.
Also have the exact same spots on the rear fender. Really bad paint job. Too many panel gaps to mention. Honestly not happy with the overall finish.
@sehrishsaeed4477 I keep my car in plaid mode all the time as well. Because the camber gets more negative as the car gets lower, I was hoping that aligning it in low mode would help my situation (at least to get the toe neutral so I wouldn't have negative camber and toe in or toe out). How many miles did you have on your car when the tire failed?
@@TheLifeofJoeLee 21k miles. Also getting the fronts replaced but the wear is pretty even on the fronts. Only had the car for 2 years and getting all 4 tires replaced. Seems odd.
Cleaning evaporator will solve the smell for a few months. At most.
I had the HEPA filter changed about a month ago. We've had some hot and humid days since changing the filter. Thus far, the smell has not come back. Hopefully, that resolved the problem.
what happened to your Type R and M2?
he still has both I’m pretty sure
I still have the M2. I had purchased the Type R to replace the Plaid as my daily as it has strong resale value, high fun factor, etc. In the end, I found that the Plaid is so well suited for my uses that I no longer wanted to replace it. I ended up selling the Type R as I found that as much as I loved it, I really didn't have time to drive it. I found myself driving the M2 much more.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Great to hear that! Type R is definitely a great car for the MSRP but I agree with you that M2 is more fun for sure.
I had a M2 order and I had an october allocation but I found 2021 M240 in manual in mint condition so I canceled my order. In the end, there are no regrets since I saved around $20K+ and the power of first gen b58 is more than enough for me.
@@tolgaayazseven9139Great to hear about your M240i! I think they look great and you can't go wrong with the B58 engine. I think it sounds better than the S58.
@@TheLifeofJoeLee Thanks sir! Yeah, its stock right now so it's sound ok. The car is very light that makes you wanna push around the corner every time.
Only thing it misses is the heads up display and little comfier seats.
Sorry for your lose from MSRP
Thank you. Yes, the price drops this year stung a bit (or a lot, lol) when it comes to the resale value of my car.
Your smell in humid issue is water POURING into your fan and cabin filter in bucket loads from
Poor design of the intake. My video shows a 10$ fix . Thank me after
@oci464 thanks for sharing! That helps explain why changing the HEPA filter, which is under that opening, eliminated the smell for me. I'll try your solution to prevent the smell from coming back.
2300 for one tire??!!
@@iceboogie827 that is for a set of 4 tires installed. Tires have gotten much more expensive the past few years!
@@TheLifeofJoeLee .. Oh ok.. Yeah, its getting expensive!!🤣.. Cra looks great tho!
Can I work with you?
I'd like to hear about what you have in mind. Shoot me an email: joeymlee@gmail.com.
How do you have so much damn money!?!
Don’t pay extra for the plaid. It’s not worth the extra money for a less than second 0-60.
For most people, the long range is the way to go. The plaid traps the quarter mile around 25 mph higher - it takes a lot of additional power to add that much speed. The plaid offers an opportunity to experience a car that does the quarter mile in less than 9 seconds with a trap speed of over 150 mph while maintaining a factory warranty. Most people don't care about that... but for me, that is a dream come true.