Well, that was interesting! I see other sharpeners on TH-cam thrilled when they get a 190 BESS. You're consistently near 100. That big ol' CBN wheel wrap looks a bit shonky but the results are undeniable. Good work Baz.
@@eileenlynch1318 thanks. They might have cancelled me but they didn’t kill me. Big mistake. Huge. Try the souvenir shops or suppliers. Ugg boot makers sometimes carry exotic leathers. Try searching for crocodile, emu or barramundi leather. Those guys might also have a roo tail or two.
@@RobertCugno hang tight. Hopefully I'm granted an export permit soon and I'll be able to send one to any country or region (except California of course) soon. It could be about another month until they let me know. Stay tuned.
ok...i got my hanging kangaroo leather strop and tested for first time tonight. i have tried a few different leather manual strops without luck in the past. i got 135bess after i used leather wheel on bench grinder. that is pretty standard number for me, i hand stropped on the rough side of the kanagoo leather 10 times each side. bess test went to 160....i have to do some research to figure out what i am doing wrong. my strop angle may have been too steep.
There could be several factors. If your score is over 150 either your edge isn’t apexed fully or you still have burr or burr root to remove. With correct apexing (can you feel a good strong undeniable burr?) and a good hone (what are you honing with?) and the full and proper burr root removal (at least 10 good strong upright strokes per side) you should be close to or under 100. Keep trying. One of those three things needs more work. Also when stropping on the kangaroo tail you should be standing your knife up quite a bit. Stripping on the bevel is far less effective than really attacking that apex to dislodge the root.
@@iSharpen so i honed with a leather wheel on a bench grinder and that tested at 135. then stropped on kagaroo leather and tested at 160. maybe i need to strop harder and at a higher angle?
@@chuckpen29 Nope, you've still got burr or you've lost your apex. Can you feel anything with your fingernail like I show you? Or, you've rounded it off by honing too hard and too long. Hone on the wheel for as little as possible and only until the burr is gone then onto the kangaroo tail. Also, are you using BESS clips or the cartridge?
@@chuckpen29 One pass won't do it. Just do iot until the burr is gone and no more. Use your fingernail to determine if the burr is gone like I demonstrate in every video. No point doing less or doing more. Cartridges blow, I don't trust the readings. Buy some clips. For all you know, you might already be at 100. Those things are so unreliable.
@@ntxoovlishawjofficialchann7627 to be honest I only know this unit. I can’t speak from any experience on other brands but I love it. It produces razor sharp knives fast enough to make a decent living and that’s all I know. I love the precision and accuracy and the beautiful bevels it produces. I can’t imagine my life without it. I bought it used and cheap though. I probably wouldn’t have been able to afford one new when i bought it but I’d absolutely buy a new one again. There are more expensive machines that aren’t as accurate as this but there are cheaper machines and systems that are just as capable of producing a razor sharp edge but are slower. Can you afford one? What do you intend to use it for?
@@chuckpen29 cool! where’d you get it?! Etsy? Dr Vadim has already tested cow hide against kangaroo tail and found the kangaroo tail better but the cow hide much better than no strop at all. Both had nothing applied to them and were use raw it’s interesting to note. I like that.
@@chuckpen29 coming from Australia? I saw some being sold on Etsy. They’re either ignoring the law or the law doesn’t apply to finished products. I’m still looking into it. Waiting for a reply from the government.
Yeah that's sad because there are about a trillion kangaroos running around down here and they're killed for meat and pest control but there's a problem shipping kangaroo parts around the world. I'm not a fan of interacting with the government - especially these days with all the super soft lefties bitching about every bloody thing. They'll want to skin me alive and turn me into a strop if I try it.
@@iSharpen Haha yeah im a former logistics specialist and those tails are illegal to import without a permit here, which of course has a long application process that you pay through the nose for, and needs to be renewed. I see theres an Australian webshop selling tail leather for about 35 AUS, I would guess that importing one of these legally could take a few months and cost upwards of 1000 bucks for me. The funny part is that there are exemption groups, like motorcycle gloves made from kangaroo skin (though not tail) are sold freely over the counter here.
@@iSharpen The justification for it is that animal products from other parts of the world can contain parasites and diseases that could do alot of damage where it doesnt naturally belong. We have the same restrictions on certain types of wood too, making balsa wood strops hard to get as well. But yeah I agree, its... excessive and a bit hysterical at times. Most of the stuff they worry about is transmitted through people travelling, not stuff anyway.
That’s a good question Stropping is beneficial even after the Japanese stone. I don’t have time to set up the Japanese stone for every knife and customer. I’d go broke. And in testing I haven’t noticed an increase in sharpness using it. The edges look prettier but I’ve achieved some of my sharpest and lowest scores using the standard wheel and strop method. The Japanese stone is only 4,000 grit. I hone at 8,000-16,000 grit on the honing wheel then the kangaroo tail removes the absolute root of the burr. The Japanese stone is largely a waste of time and money. When I’m busy I have a maximum of 10 minutes per knife. I prefer 3-5 minutes from start to finish. Sometimes it only takes me 1-2 minutes if the knife is in good condition.
@@iSharpen thanks for explaining. I just bought a Japanese stone for my T 8. I m still improving and the Japanese stone is way different to work with. Sharp greetings 😊
@@simonhouweling9771 as a hobby (i.e. if you have time) it’ll bring you great joy. Those mirror bevels are really nice but you’ll need to make sure you increase the angle a few degrees to make sure you reach the apex. Have you used it much yet? The cost is insane down here. Over $650.
@@iSharpen I have it for a week now, 300 euro s in the Netherlands. I love the sound and feel. Lifting a few degrees definitely helps to fully polish the apex
@@iSharpen Too true but there are dull people and " not the sharpest" people. I dont think a Roo tail strop or peanut butter is going to help them. Shall we work out how many genders knives are or is that a slippery doomed stupid and dangerous question?
@@iSharpen just received the DC250 and tested it out. It's shortened the time for grinding a very dull knife by about 1 third. Gonna add a DF250 and looking into the kangaroo tail!
Well, that was interesting! I see other sharpeners on TH-cam thrilled when they get a 190 BESS. You're consistently near 100. That big ol' CBN wheel wrap looks a bit shonky but the results are undeniable. Good work Baz.
Hey baz ,good to see u back, where did you find the roo tail leather, i couldn't find it anywhere. Cheers damien 😊
@@eileenlynch1318 thanks. They might have cancelled me but they didn’t kill me. Big mistake. Huge.
Try the souvenir shops or suppliers. Ugg boot makers sometimes carry exotic leathers. Try searching for crocodile, emu or barramundi leather. Those guys might also have a roo tail or two.
I searched everywhere for kangaroo tail leather strop. I’m from Canada , so that’s an impossibility… oh well !
@@RobertCugno hang tight. Hopefully I'm granted an export permit soon and I'll be able to send one to any country or region (except California of course) soon. It could be about another month until they let me know. Stay tuned.
@@iSharpen no problem, I’ll wait. Thanks
what camera are you using ?
@@MoHarbi-k2v iPhone 14 Pro Max 1TB.
ok...i got my hanging kangaroo leather strop and tested for first time tonight. i have tried a few different leather manual strops without luck in the past. i got 135bess after i used leather wheel on bench grinder. that is pretty standard number for me, i hand stropped on the rough side of the kanagoo leather 10 times each side. bess test went to 160....i have to do some research to figure out what i am doing wrong. my strop angle may have been too steep.
There could be several factors. If your score is over 150 either your edge isn’t apexed fully or you still have burr or burr root to remove. With correct apexing (can you feel a good strong undeniable burr?) and a good hone (what are you honing with?) and the full and proper burr root removal (at least 10 good strong upright strokes per side) you should be close to or under 100.
Keep trying. One of those three things needs more work. Also when stropping on the kangaroo tail you should be standing your knife up quite a bit. Stripping on the bevel is far less effective than really attacking that apex to dislodge the root.
@@iSharpen so i honed with a leather wheel on a bench grinder and that tested at 135. then stropped on kagaroo leather and tested at 160. maybe i need to strop harder and at a higher angle?
@@chuckpen29 Nope, you've still got burr or you've lost your apex. Can you feel anything with your fingernail like I show you? Or, you've rounded it off by honing too hard and too long. Hone on the wheel for as little as possible and only until the burr is gone then onto the kangaroo tail. Also, are you using BESS clips or the cartridge?
@@iSharpen i will try only 1 pass on the leather wheel then on to the roo. i use the cartridge.
@@chuckpen29 One pass won't do it. Just do iot until the burr is gone and no more. Use your fingernail to determine if the burr is gone like I demonstrate in every video. No point doing less or doing more. Cartridges blow, I don't trust the readings. Buy some clips. For all you know, you might already be at 100. Those things are so unreliable.
What is your honest opinion about this Tormek T8 to others brand. Cause I consider it to buy one unit as well.
@@ntxoovlishawjofficialchann7627 to be honest I only know this unit. I can’t speak from any experience on other brands but I love it. It produces razor sharp knives fast enough to make a decent living and that’s all I know.
I love the precision and accuracy and the beautiful bevels it produces. I can’t imagine my life without it. I bought it used and cheap though. I probably wouldn’t have been able to afford one new when i bought it but I’d absolutely buy a new one again.
There are more expensive machines that aren’t as accurate as this but there are cheaper machines and systems that are just as capable of producing a razor sharp edge but are slower.
Can you afford one? What do you intend to use it for?
are you using the leather by itself or also adding a compund, emulsion, or spray?
Kangaroo tail leather is always used raw. It’s the texture of the leather that dislodges the root. Works amazingly well.
@@iSharpen do you have any other bare leather strops to compare to? i just ordered a kangaroo leather hanging strop. cannot wait to test myself.
@@chuckpen29 cool! where’d you get it?! Etsy?
Dr Vadim has already tested cow hide against kangaroo tail and found the kangaroo tail better but the cow hide much better than no strop at all. Both had nothing applied to them and were use raw it’s interesting to note. I like that.
@@iSharpen i ordered mine from ebay.
@@chuckpen29 coming from Australia? I saw some being sold on Etsy. They’re either ignoring the law or the law doesn’t apply to finished products. I’m still looking into it. Waiting for a reply from the government.
Ive heard about this one, but living on the other side of the planet those giant possum tails are damn near impossible to get here
Yeah that's sad because there are about a trillion kangaroos running around down here and they're killed for meat and pest control but there's a problem shipping kangaroo parts around the world. I'm not a fan of interacting with the government - especially these days with all the super soft lefties bitching about every bloody thing. They'll want to skin me alive and turn me into a strop if I try it.
@@iSharpen Haha yeah im a former logistics specialist and those tails are illegal to import without a permit here, which of course has a long application process that you pay through the nose for, and needs to be renewed.
I see theres an Australian webshop selling tail leather for about 35 AUS, I would guess that importing one of these legally could take a few months and cost upwards of 1000 bucks for me.
The funny part is that there are exemption groups, like motorcycle gloves made from kangaroo skin (though not tail) are sold freely over the counter here.
@@kvernesdotten Makes no sense. Bureaucracy has gone mad globally.
@@iSharpen The justification for it is that animal products from other parts of the world can contain parasites and diseases that could do alot of damage where it doesnt naturally belong. We have the same restrictions on certain types of wood too, making balsa wood strops hard to get as well. But yeah I agree, its... excessive and a bit hysterical at times. Most of the stuff they worry about is transmitted through people travelling, not stuff anyway.
@@kvernesdotten cured and tanned leather should be safe though. Maybe they just feel sorry for skippy.
Why stropping if you have a japanese stone? Is stropping better than the Japanese stone result?
That’s a good question
Stropping is beneficial even after the Japanese stone. I don’t have time to set up the Japanese stone for every knife and customer. I’d go broke. And in testing I haven’t noticed an increase in sharpness using it. The edges look prettier but I’ve achieved some of my sharpest and lowest scores using the standard wheel and strop method.
The Japanese stone is only 4,000 grit. I hone at 8,000-16,000 grit on the honing wheel then the kangaroo tail removes the absolute root of the burr.
The Japanese stone is largely a waste of time and money. When I’m busy I have a maximum of 10 minutes per knife. I prefer 3-5 minutes from start to finish. Sometimes it only takes me 1-2 minutes if the knife is in good condition.
@@iSharpen thanks for explaining. I just bought a Japanese stone for my T 8. I m still improving and the Japanese stone is way different to work with. Sharp greetings 😊
@@simonhouweling9771 as a hobby (i.e. if you have time) it’ll bring you great joy. Those mirror bevels are really nice but you’ll need to make sure you increase the angle a few degrees to make sure you reach the apex. Have you used it much yet? The cost is insane down here. Over $650.
@@iSharpen I have it for a week now, 300 euro s in the Netherlands. I love the sound and feel. Lifting a few degrees definitely helps to fully polish the apex
Thanks.
I am a Vadim (RIP) disciple
Roo strop rocks
@@scottydudley5700 such an unnecessary loss.
@@iSharpen Very sudden and sad.
I doubt I will be able to find a roo tail in the UK but I have some Skippy peanut butter.
Whats your thoughts lol ?
What grit is it? Smooth or crunchy?
@@iSharpen Smooth, the sort that gums your mouth together, proper yummy.
Sod it, its too nice to waste on a knife.
@@ihatenissanmicras Blasphemer! Knives are people too. Blunt Knives Matter!
@@iSharpen Too true but there are dull people and " not the sharpest" people.
I dont think a Roo tail strop or peanut butter is going to help them.
Shall we work out how many genders knives are or is that a slippery doomed stupid and dangerous question?
@@ihatenissanmicras all I know is that a blunt knife isn’t a sharp knife even if it identifies as one. 🤣
You are making me spend more money 😅
Investing is good.
@@iSharpen just received the DC250 and tested it out. It's shortened the time for grinding a very dull knife by about 1 third. Gonna add a DF250 and looking into the kangaroo tail!