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Heu ... non. Je suis OTP zyra depuis plusieurs années et j'ai toujours fait comme ça. Une fleur "range" fera au final plus de dégât qu'une fleur "melee", vu qu'elles se déplacent pas.
As a zyra player, this is literally how I have played her forever. Other reason not too rely too much on build sites and think for yourself
Yeah man I never understood why ppl maxed e I would ask them and they never had an answer lol. Q is def the way to go. Does e scale better? I don’t get what the argument was to begin with
@@itsjustawhiteguy i think, way back, that the DMG scaling on the plants was part of the reason. Can't remember. But I never used the e for damages in the first place. It is a bind and I literally used it only for the initiations and binding purposes. The slow on the plants is also way worse than the value you would get from the q plants too. It never made sense to me.
Yeah, it was confusing, since I started using sites. Even saw a high elo streamer and asked "Are you sure you know her?"
Lmao Fr. Picked her up like a week ago and have been crushing as a campy farmer
Max q for poke e for engage.. if u play vs soraka or something you cant max poke but allin
Also the insane vision she provides.
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honkai 3rd, W
As zyra player, I can confirm this is a great video.
Sennatta?
what @@ZedSalvatore
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As a normal player, i resent your existence (we chill though)
I’ve always maxed w second for this reason. I feel validated
Is e max good Vs melee engage lanes, Such as Leona or Nautilus? Or is Q max still better for more consistent poke damage?
@@dingas5632 I don't think it does much, CD remains the same, root duration only changes for 1 second that too when maxed. Instead I prefer play safe and let your plants poke them out :)
I've always maxed W second, but I do alternate between Q and E depending on what the game state starts to look like. Normally if the jungler is something that can only really just run at you fast then I'll max E for the root duration.
In the early game that extra duration wont make any difference, if u stopped them from killing u with e they werent gunna kill u regardless if its level 1 e or max
i think recognizing when to max q and e is important. if you are in a lane where you have high kill potencial, with trist or samira, maxing e for root duration is amazing.
on the other hand if you have ezreal, and enemies are idk janna and aphelios, you want to max q for poking
This is how I learned to play her when I used to play her more. glad this info is getting around because it makes laning phase so much easier lol
The only tricky part is to try not to steal adc's minions
As an adc main, giving you guys love. As long as you make the enemy adcs live a living hell idc if you accidentally take some cs c:
Not everyone think like that but thanks mate👍
This is why it took me so long to start using zyra. Was always afraid of that, but it isn't too bad.
Your adc will only lose minions cuz of enemy poke/engage risk, if you hold on to your E as zyra and keep poking them in lane you will make your lane easier to your adc so even gold players can last hit.
Missing last hit against zyra plant is so hard pre 10 mins (zyra gets liandry).
I recommend after getting first item roaming mid lane and counter jungling with your jungle, support is easy role anyways.
@@ataberk3539 yea, sure
As a zyra player, i play lux
Hell ya. I've been a lux main since my third week of the game. 5 years later and I decided to finally take her out of the mid lane down to the support role. Finally trying out new champions and zyra is a really fun one to play.
Im sorry to you both
Basically another way to say “i’m basic and play the default/main character in every game”
@@SirDubbs more so, im an egirl but too bad at the game/scared to go mid so i play support and build ap regardless
@canuck2444 lux is fun. I do enjoy the sheer damage diff she tends to have in tge early to mid game. She can be tricky in the late tho
Me as a zyra mid: STOP RIGHT THERE CRIMINAL SCUM. Don't expose our strats to these wood div lickers.
the fact you say something like this already proves you're probably super low rank as well
"high elo zyras" AKA duoking1
Yeahhh I don't know about that. One of the big benefits of getting E maxed is the root duration increases and eventually synergizes with your ult; it goes from a 1 second root to 2 seconds at max rank, and your ult takes 2 seconds before it does the knockup.
yeah, exactly, they seem to missed that important aspect. But maxing Q first is probably better than Q
but when are you ever gonna hit E during the laning phase is the question. Q guarantees the poke and procs the ranged plants. You cannot guarantee that you hit E all the time as well. The main goal is to poke your enemies out of lane and not all in everytime. By the time you hit lvl 9 the laning phase is practically over so there's not much use for maxing E if you have allies that can cc chain the enemies.
@@viceasimo3532 Zyra's E is not hard to land. Or maybe being a mage main made me think landing skillshots are not thar hard...
@@user-ym1zs8sd2y if you play poke, the enemy laner will usually play safe around the edges of your ability range. E is telegraphic where it crawls from your position so it is easy to dodge while Q animation is fast enough since it triggers from the spot. The main point is you win the lane by poking and not with all ins so you max Q instead of E to deal more damage during laning
Zyra has always been on of my loved ones even tho I never played it.
Same, one of my favourite champs since season 3
Why dont you play her?
You should max E first as every point put into E will increase the root duration. If you do not max E people can just walk out of your E R combo.
Rank 1 E has a 1s snare which scales up to 2s at Rank 5.
Plant damage does not scale with points put into each ability so maxing Q falls off as soon as the laning phase ends.
I do agree with maxing W second though as the cdr it gives is really good especially bcs Zyra's damage is very plant dependent.
Maxing W gets especially annoying as soon as you have Rylai's as you can just spam spawn plants to zone enemies off objectives like baron/dragon.
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Everyone after co op vs ai gonna dodge e without even trying
@@justsomeone5812why are you lying 😂 you have to predict their prediction
everyone in the comment section is low elo and thinks any zyra pro maxes Q AND THEN W!! when zyras across all regions and low-high ranks max E 😂
I had a stroke while reading but good point.
Finally someone who knows how to play her is talking 😂 “pro guides” really needs to stop with this misinformation bullshit
I play with Q start... Why on earth would you start with the long cd e unless you were suddenly invaded?
As a not zyra player, I can confirm that the right way to play her.
Zyra is also the best bottom side leasher cutting down the junglers clear time by mere 3 sec which is huge!
I main her and yes thank you for enlightening others, people needed to know how much more value her Q provides over her E
This is flat out wrong. You can look up what high elo Zyra’s build and have success with too. E max into w max. She has insane kill potential with E and the slows from her plants are crazy too! Q isn’t really big for damage… it’s just poke. I see so many of this guys videos and it just feels like you’re trying to force things that just… aren’t there. Idk, but to everyone else, try E max into W second, you’ll love it!
slows from here plants are the same in either build path since E doesn't decrease in CD
what they're describing in the video is a safer play style that doesn't require zyra to be in a dangerous midrange in order to root
ofc u can still play flash root zyra for pick potential but sometimes your team doesn't need it, in which case just go full damage
you're wrong buddy. higher elo you go the more you'll know. You can only cast like 3-5 e's off the start and you're just waiting. she has high kill potential but It's like lv 6 plus before just playing out the poke game.
@@eigengrau2819 Please look at what higher elo Zyra's optimize in build/skill order before commenting, on literally any statistical website.
Litterly just looked up the latest 10 zyra games in challenger and all max e first
First time a support main has been right (extremely rare)
FACTS! I'm a Zyra Main and this is how I've always played Zyra. It just makes sense
Already doing that because i don't listen to other people and play how I prefer anyways which was always q max - its more efficient and useful
Bruh this was and will always be the way i play Zyra. She got me to Plat 1 with Swain and Maokai back then.
on top of that rushing to get Rylai's scepter is really helpful for your q, w combo either for engage or to flee
You missed a huge tip, you can cast Q and if you are fast enough place your W before the Q animation goes through allowing you to position your plants where you want, being unpredictable for the enemy and guaranteeing your poke
that's just her normal combo not a tip
@@vagirioo6729 you'll find most people plat and below (majority of players) put the seed down and then Q
E max prolongs the time enemy will be rooted, E max is an old school also, when supports had almost no gold income like in Season 3
I think maxing E used to lower cd back in the day
The reasons I would go E over W max depends on the meta, going into assassins, the slow increase can make or break your ability to stay alive
I mean I opt for electrocute below Diamond and go max E cuz it’s just freelo. People can’t dodge her E. but since her NEW buffs Q max is definitely better NOW.
Fun fact:
While playing sona against poke champions, you MUST max W.
not because of the healing only, but the Shield gets stronger, and so does the damage reduction passive.
Her Q can be Second upgrade against this types of team. Against Engage Heavy botlanes, E max can be way helpful to dodge enemies, if you're struggling to say behind minions.
The pressure that Q+W combo and only using E when enemy engages give permanent lane prio
It all depends on the lane you're playing. Poking is great but if you have an aggressive ADC and their bot lane has limited to no escape, having E will help you secure that kill.
Thank you!! I couldn’t see why the classic way was superior, I was not missing something. Max Q first, then the ammo clip, happy hunting.
i always questioned why porofessor suggests you max E before W on zyra and now i'm glad to learn i wasn't the only one
Idk as a Zyra main you can max any ability first and still be S tier if you know what you're doing but I do max W early for most matchups because more seeds = success
In ARAM, it's Q E W all the way but I see why a real map like SR would benefit from the bulb regen
Doesn’t matter which rank she is or what kind of skill she possesses, Zyra will always be a walking bag of gold for me.
This! She just doesn't feel as strong as she used to. I mained her years ago and she's just not the same anymore.
@@pascalschwerdtmann4397Maybe you should get out of gold, zyra is literally the most broken thing when you ban xerath and blitz
@@SolosoyAngel123 Try to dodge something other than champ select and you'll see how broken she actually is.
@@pascalschwerdtmann4397Bro her winrate is high af. If you're gonna shittalk, at least post op gg
@@pascalschwerdtmann4397 lol, ridiculous winrate despite turning the game into a PvE slog, yeah i'm thinking she's busted
As a diamond zyra main, not how I do it at all. Everyone has their own style ofc. But start E, then W, then Q, maxing W and E first. (Root duration is much more useful) (plant regen time also).
The trick is that Zyra players don’t use is plant placements. When you use E, while it’s travelling you place the plants where you want them as it gives no time for a reaction (this also tricks the enemy) you can literally place it directly on them as the E is travelling. (Whenever they are even if your E misses)
Ideally you want to hit the E and place plants on them or behind them while the E is moving. If you see that the enemy is going to dodge the E, then you place the plants where they will move to (while the E is also still travelling).
(Make sure you also get the hit box trained so you know how far you can place plants and still proc them with the E)
Once you master the timing on the E travel and the plant placements, you’re golden. You only want to use the Q to get extra damage once you hit E and W on them.
This is also how you can block Naut Q’s, blitz, and thresh easily when you train how to place them while using E. you can also do that with the Q. But I find the E tricks the enemy better and faster to use the combo. As you can stun, plant and Q. Whereas if you Q, W, or W, Q, is much harder to then hit E or hit as much in total.
Also while an enemy is running you want to do the same E then W as the E reaches max distance. This slows them while also giving no reaction times for the enemy as it’s unavoidable.
As an aram player, i can say Zyra is pretty OP
Skill path is subjective to the game you're in, which role you're in, which lane opponent(s) you're up against. Restricting adaptability immediately drops this recommendation out of S tier into A tier. This short is purely for continuous poke. All-in potential wants maximum damage from all sources and Liandries doesn't increase damage if you are overwriting the debuff from many sources, so yes Q->W is good, but when you are 1v many and against good players? E is what you are using to save lives on your team, it is what I focus when I need to turn the tide asap. Maxing E on Zyra is her counterplay for being dived continuously in 2v4s or worse. If ur only getting 1-2 Qs out per fight then reduced cdr on it is far less use. W second is still powerful because u can spread out the slows along the path (and then abuse that for the necessary kiting)
I played her recently after being a zyra player a few years ago and was SO confused on why they were saying max e???
Every single champion, besides a few very versatile ones like Malphite, will have a "1 point wonder" spell.
That one spell that is gonna be still amazing while its lvl 1 and you have 4 items lvl 15
I like maxing E and run it through enemy minion waves then snare enemy champions because they never see it coming 😍
As a Zyra main, this was very helpful. I learned to never listen to skillcapped for advice. This was crap.
Zyra main in iron? I never play zyra and I was sure what skullcaped advices was already the basic way to level
@@pietjewaanman3506 nah, the guy above is right. E max is the best way to play her, more cc equals more gg
@@pietjewaanman3506 You dont play zyra, so you dont know. So why do you reply?
Why trade your kill-threat with a leveled E full combo for some random extra DPS that dont matter?
Its blatantly stupid.
If you play her mid, its a diffrent story; but there are litteraly 50+ other mages that does a better job mid.
@@rogermagnusson8877 people don't need to play her to know things. You can use the experience you have with the information you have to come to a conclusion. So your argument is that I don't play her so I can't reply is very strange.
Not everything is about kills. If you can keep their adc low, he can't farm and take xp. Or does go for farm and dies more easily. Kills is not everything. Pressure is more important and q also gives you more aoe in team fights.
I agree that there is also an argument for a longer root. However, your root is your only pressure then, if you miss it, the enemy botlane can engage and you are useless. It's like blitz hook. Low elo players think they need to use blitz hook 10 times and then they will probably hit 1. However you have more pressure if you don't use your hook unless it is almost certain a hit. Meanwhile good players go in hard when big cc spells are on cd.
@@pietjewaanman3506
Its not at all strange to question someone to think they know best about a champion they have never even played. Go play some Zyra for a week and you will see what is obvious to others.
You use the E to get kill pressure with your ADC, and also keep the opponent in the ult. Its as simple as that. Zyra is a snowbally support with strong lane-presence.
You have very low mobility, you have among the least hp of any champion in the game, constantly positioning to fish for poke damage with your Q is just asking for trouble that you dont need.
After lanephase it becomes pretty much irrelevant if you have a lvl 2 Q or lvl 5 Q, the damage will come from Liandries.
You do you man, all im saying is that you dont know the champion and are just fanboying for Skill Capped. Do your due dilligence, actually play the champion, then we can talk.
I just tried this out but it appears the plants die way too fast? And also I didnt feel like they were attacking champs too often (always minions first).
Idk but I max E first as a support, and carry games because of the increased cc. Maxing Q might offer more damage, but it gives you less strength to stop a teammate from making a mistake/less supportability for the adc.
While you shouldn't be reliant on your team, if isn't grandmaster or extremely high elo, E max is the way to go. Because in higher elo your team knows how to survive ganks, and in low elo they simply dont, so you need a different playing style there. You could argue about transitioning at a certain point though.
In low elo, enemies are also worse at dodging. So maxing E is far more valuable. Getting that 1 pick with a 2.5 second root can win a fight before it happened.
my build guide has shown me this since forever, how is this a secret
Maxing E first is what allows you to chain the root with ult knockup, that's why they were leveling it first, but poke zyra benefits more from Q
I've , never, ever seen somebody mention you should max E. I've been playing supp around mid/high dia for years. Guess something changed
Max E if you are low elo. It's way easier to stun people in low elo. Besides, it's a stun that hits everyone and doesn't get blocked by minions, literally the best stun in the game. Maxing w as your second skill is right tho. We need seeds, and they are free 🤑
It's not stun, it's root. There is a big difference between them. You cannot just move while rooted, but can attack and use abilities, and item actives while with stun you're completely out of any actions, besides active from QSS in inventory or Cleanse as summoner spell
And the Q does more damage and has less coldown
@@TheAntananarivu Currently in low elo and I have yet to see someone actually buy QSS 🤣
tell me how you don't understand shit in league of legends without telling me
stun? really?
Geez bro come back and delete this comment ASAP😂
I used to play zyra and when I recently looked up the current meta build and saw the ability order they put i was astonished. E max is only good in low elo where no one can dodge anything anyways.
yeah I've always gone Q > W > E and build alot of CD items, i often manage to outdmg everyone on my team
'At the moment' I'll take your word for it.
I've been doing that maxed Q/W then level 1 E skill/ability order ever since
“no counter play” just go Miss Fortune 💀
It really depends, her E is good if you are supporting an weak early game adc or mid against melee. If you want to take her Q first then your team must have a lot of aggressors and actively look for early game fight
Why the actual eff is zyra not in wildrift? I've been waiting for zyra and zilean for ever now.
dw she will in next patch
riot devs have said that champs with pets like zyra’s plants or heimer’s turrets have an added layer of complexity to try to code into wild rift
Just curious but what build would you recommend on her?
I never looked at guides for her, i always focused e last and assumed it was that way for everyone
for whatever the reason, since season 11? They started recommending E max when no one was doing it
Finally Zyra appreciation ❤
That Orianna screenshot for you to click in n ….. it took me 3 times to found out the blur Zyra at the back ( I know girls take photo like that all the time!)
as i love that champ i did this too. also i always adjust my item depends on the enemy team
I found it funny that this is exactly how I play Zyra all the time because it feels right to me.
I once had someone question why I was maxing traps first on Caitlyn. They found out when I walled off the entire river while we did Baron. Lol
I am sure sacrificing all the damage you would have done in lane with your Q was worth it
@@angel1buffy Just because you don't know how to deal massive damage with her traps, doesn't mean maxing trap first is wrong. /shrug
plants deal same dmg no matter if you upgrade q or e, the main thing for max e is the root duration, doesnt give time to flash or dodge ulty with dash, new season items with tenacity makes it even harder, dmg is higher then q, and for sup is better to have longer roots since there is an actual dmg dealer, thats just mine opinion
Back when i played consistently, this was the build. I stopped playing for a few years and the build tells me to max e. Ive been shit stomped every game i tried it. I need to revert back to the roots.
still better than maxing E first, although it's still wrong!
as Zyra support:
• first max W, then Q
(she needs the W faster to poke and outrange enemies more often, it forces them to stay back forever)
as Zyra APC:
• first max Q, then W
(her W resets from killing minions)
also, if you aren't invading, almost always start with Q (because otherwise you will have to wait 1 level more to start poking)
whenever I see a Q-W combo from a zyra player, i knew he's a pro zyra
i never maxed anything but W first
higher W means more plants and the plants damage is independent from the Q and E level
I’ve played Zyra for years and never knew people maxed E. It’s always been QWE for me, so this video was baffling
Ngl that’s kinda how i always played her 😂 but was doubting it when people we’re saying max e first
I was on my way to Diamond and I get put up against these Zyra abusers, she never walks up, throws Q,W and pokes me and my adc, no matter how hard we try, we couldn’t do anything…
Q+W into bushes to gain vision or simple pressure enemy to stay away. Also plants tank dragon hits for you jg
same with brand, always max E first (builds say max Q)
More like, high elo zyra players know there is no one way to max her abilities. It all depends on your match up. There is justification for all kinds of variations on how to max her spells. Same thing for her builds and ruins. Go check Melyns guide
It’s insane how changing 1 thing can make a trash champ become broken like wen I was maxing q first on sion then wen I maxed e first I went on a 12 game win streak this has been nerfed awhile but it use to be very very broken like if u remember support ap e max sion
Maxing E is fine if you are going utility build. Utility build is great vs melee and diver comps.
Max Q is best with AP build. Comet + Scorch and Q max is great lane control
Every game is different.
Also, R should be used as area denial tool, not necessary to combo with E.
Proper placement of R will win you fights even if you don't hit anyone with it
I am weird then. Never looked up a build guide but I always maxed E 1st but always do 3 Es, 2 Ws, Max E. Then 2 Qs, 3E, Max Q.
Mainly to lower W cooldown during laning where i don't have to try very hard to land E then after laning, it's mainly focusing on damage with Q.
Zyra was my first level 6 champ
I played Zyra 3 years ago and ALWAYS MAXED q then w and e just for quick stun
Zyra e adds to the cc she provides and makes her ult unable to get out of. Idk what are you guys smoking.
Get a kill now and, well, you got 1 kill. Burn a flash now and you have easy kills for 5 minutes. And if they play safe with their flash down, you have superior map and lane pressure for 5 minutes.
This is how'd I want to play a bard.
Good content! Hahaha
for w max 2nd makes plants spawn faster from passuve too
more plant that either come from your w or passive gives your more dps
Been playing like this since Season 2 lmao
I never max E first or second, always Q, W then E
My boy Ezreal countering himself again
I dont play zyra often but I thought it was common practice to max q first
On launch it was either max because it affected the CD, but that’s. It the case anymore, and hasn’t been forever. I’ve been telling people stat sites are not meant to be taken literally and should support decisions not make them for you
U want to Max e First so the Root Stays as Long as the Ult takes to Knockup for Safe knockup
You only need two points in E to never fail a E R combo just fyi
I'd max Q only if I got an early lead. Being behind or in an unfavorable matchup I'd max E.
I'm a zarya 1 trick player (diamond).
i max E->Q->W
E scaling gives you more root time duration. you wanna be lvl 13 with 0.75 sec root? ROOOT!? no, also it ensure your hit your Q after the root.
my style ensures all abilities hit, including 2nd part of ult (the knockup), more plant hits and a 1,5sec root to multiple targets. you need to be braindaed to miss the E, its not too difficult to land, thresh's Q is more difficult
dawg i dont even play zyra and even i knew this. im pretty sure the whole reason all these sites say to do e first is because they hate vs'ing zyra and dont want new players to play her so they give them garbage builds so they give up on playing her lmfao
I max what i need. When i play vs linear engage champions (jarvan jungle and leona supp maybe) E is a great way to stop and punish them. The CD doesnt go down, but the root gets longer. Vs high monility champs it makes no sense tho.
I have been maxing W for shorter reload time for the seeds 😂😂
i just put 3 in W and then max E, because you dont need that poke in mid game so much. it is better getting some flashes or catches with rylais first and getting an easy E root. the zoning potential has much more value for me than the poke dmg.
Looked at probuilds, and as you said, the pros dont max e and go w 2nd. You're right, they go w second, but still e first
What if I just want a 2s root ? Maxing Q doesn't increase plant damage. And what's the point if you can't land your Q any more often than your E.
When I play as a Zyra supp, I start with E then W and when I reach level 3 I start maxing up Q.
I sometimes go Zyra mid and there is when I start with the Q. 🌱🌹
So it's time for the Ashe - MF return, zyra was the unique reason for this duo in pro play hahaha
i max q first for more plants, q and e are just ways to summon them