@@saiboT805d the yt video is just a portion from the course, their courses have a great deal of detail and scenarios I honestly recommend it if you have time and cash
This was still confusing to me, as an educator, I find there is a better way to communicate these ideas. I will watch your courses on skill capped to see if it makes more sense then.
The problem with helping your adc push waves as a support in low elo is that your adc's ego won't allow him to not ping you and type "don't touch MY minions". So you either afk or roam while he is doing his thing or you can try to push causing him to rage, waste all his sums and abilities and leave you alone in lane for the rest of the game
I've got shit 4 last hitting minions while adc far far away... like why can't I have the gold instead of it go to nothing 😒 it's not pushing if all u do is last hit before minion to claim the gold 😅
as an adc main i actually prefer when my supp pushes or takes minions unless i'm right there.. It can manage the lane so well, especially early.. + they get extra gold and get ahead of the other support who probably ignores the wave most of the time.. and when i'm support i do this as well, i know many low elos struggle with farming if you pre-hit the minions for them, but i do take the farm if the adc isn't there, isn¨t able to hit it on time, currently placing a ward in a far away bush etc.. i¨m bronze rank too..
I remember in two games side by side as Bard, I leave my adc 3 shrines and then roam, the shrines are in a line to make an escape easy as can be and we're pushed up so im not doing much. I get mid a kill and take drake... The adc then dies and then cries that im not in lane. The jhin told me when i questioned him why he didnt take the shrine path "they only heal like 80 hp" The shrines give movement speed and hp... and more hp than 0 is living.
@@elgatochurro I htink their is a bigger problem as not accepting the 80hp what for player doesn't take shiny items who are free to take? no matter what htey do: if it looks it comes from my team: IT'S MINE (even I can't use it xD)
let's face it the majority are kids who are teach you all of this. If Neither support is back at bot you can roam if you see a opening if not watch out for being bait on the recall LOL dumb kids ! Yet you can tell your adc not to engage in a 2 vs1, but when your just warding an bush behind our frozen wave who goes "all in" than spam pings you like your in the wrong !!!!!!!! These players will forever be trash in real life as well.
The Nami is probably just traumatized by all the ADCs spam pinging questionmarks, if you attack their minions just once... Honestly, so many of my ADCs in Gold tilt, when I auto attack the minions to secure us the level 2 powerspike. The other day, we clearly saw the enemy botlane recall and I for the love of God could not convince my Sivir to shove the lane and recall as well... she pinged me, why I dare to attack the wave. Serious: How am I supposed to manipulate my wave then? My other favorite example: I actually learned how to pull the first wave to deny CSs... which doesn't help, if my ADC just kills their minions faster than they kill our minion.
People get too worried about tilt. Improve your vision and game plan making and then mute all and mute pings. You need none of those if you have enough game sense. I’ve carried plenty of “tilted” players by enabling them.
i love how adc's always complain that bot lane is support diff, overlooking that they're in control of the wave. they have the power to set up too. what supports have to hear about adc's complain, is tiny bit of what junglers always have to hear about laners complaining they have no agency. while in reality, they're in control of the wave and it's their job to set up ganks.
In our defense, when passing through lower elos, we get turbo flamed for even touching the wave by some low elo adc players that also don't know wave management. It's ptsd for us xD
I ve always loved having chat but i realized ranked is just too toxic. I suggest you /deafen and do whatever you feel like its good. I can assure you in d1/low master the toxicity and stupidity is at the same level. Just dont be afraid to fail, you ll learn much more if you *limit test*, like, you ll actually understand why what you did was wrong if you ve done the same mistake in a few plays. +, imo, muting chat will also keep you more focused. Good luck! 🙌
@@Bassist4Life123 Honestly, I never mute all. There are still cool people out there with some positive interactions. I like having the "I got your back" and "nice job" interactions, plus some people will (very rarely) explain their reasoning, which I like to learn from. Even if it's flawed, it gives me some perspective into how teammates in my elo think, which can be just as important a part of climbing as in-game mechanics. And if someone is repeatedly toxic or pings excessively, I'll just mute them individually. I've got a strong mental so teammates having a mental boom doesn't really affect me much. If it gets annoying, I'll slap the mute no hesitation. But I prefer to leave the shotcalling options open so I can follow up on them. It's a personal preference, for sure. Mute all is not a bad strat in general. Positive interactions are few and far between so you're definitely not missing much.
This is quite possibly the best guide I've ever seen. As a support main hovering in high plat/d4, I now realise I do some of this automatically, but am not consciously applying wave knowledge often enough. Hopefully it can help me improve.
It won't. Knowledge about this kind of stuff only matters in 5v5s that you most likely won't play most of the time (since league's amatour scene is literally dead). If you want to REALLY improve, learn what EOMM is and how to play around it to actually win games.
@@ethanchen4504 I know this comment is like 6 months old but one of the things that will help you climb is being decisive and recognizing if your ADC is competent enough to listen to their plays. (Easier said than done.) If it makes sense to shove the wave and back then fuck em shove that shit and back. Your ADC can be as mad as he wants but his choice is to then either back with you or fuck up his own back timing. I know when I played in silver my ADC's would ping me off the wave when I'm just helping us push for level 2, but they would forget about it when we got a kill off of the level 2 pressure. You basically have to do your best to spoonfeed the other players. If wave management is not your strong suit I recommend playing ADC in norms and try forcing favorable wave states. Thats how I learned and its made me a better support player.
This is a nice guide, its not another wave control guide, it just showcase what you can do as a support. Love it more than another wave control guide for support. Thanks guys.
As a player u have to finde the most reliable way to give your team adventage. And be able to be consistent. So things like decisionmaking, wave management, are the most imoportant. If you now basics to perfection you can adapt to the current state of the game. People dont understand they dont have to carry every game, if they are behind but other lines are ahead its better to Play safe and farm than try some flashy plays and fall behind even more. U can only fully control your actions.
when i actually understood that the goal of the game is to push our minions into their base is what wins us the game it changed everything...baus made me understand that if your whole team dies, but you are able to deny them wave, they cant end
The goal of the game is your team not feeding them enough, get your team fed and delete them and the towers/Nexus. Decision making of the whole team is key, not just the support. but at least i guess this guide can make you do your part.
Plat support here. I actually understand wave management as adc is my secondary role. The adcs I have don’t understand what it means. You leave a wave in a good spot to go roam and then they shove it. Leaving themselves too far pushed up and die for it. Only thing plat adcs understand is to shove the wave when needed. Same goes for my supports though. The amount of times a support ruins a freeze I have. Or I back with it slow pushing into me and my brand just can’t help himself but to use abilities on the wave.
Ok so I meant to play support this morning because of this video. But I got adc and felt comfortable about the match heading in. I already also followed your previous Sivir guide and cheater recall tips on cannon wave. Mannnnnn after I say about a week or two of practicing I finally lane dominated my opponent in extreme fashion! 17 KDA and 505 gold a minute. So I appreciate these guides because I really don’t want to be Bronze. I’d like to be at Gold this year because that seems like a reasonable goal based off my current rank of Bronze 4. Also big thanks to my Swain support. He definitely sacrificed himself to save me a few times.
I got to gold 4 from bronze 1 during the preseason! I felt like I was doing so much better and playing adc actually felt pretty enjoyable! You can do it!
Exactly, sticking to a tilted / below average adc of your current skill bracket, only reduces win condition. Besides, when left alone they have to be proactive instead of reactive. Maybe they will adapt, maybe they will learn it the hard way.
I feel like this is especially true in low elos. Sticking to one person in the team who has a very positive score whereas the rest of the team is losing is crucial. Since they are all trash players you only need to worry about the strongest one and keep him alive until he smashes the enemy team. Super helpful
My playstyle is always oriented towards wave control and positioning into objectives. While we can take into account what is said in the video it is not always an option, i'm gold at the moment so by no means i'm pro but most of the essentials of supports is macro tracking, wave management and vision control. Not always do we get a nice ADC that's worth giving more attention and care than the team and we don't always have good games so don't take it against each other lol. I was hoping to see more vision tips.
as someone that jungles, what always gets me is when people flame you for ganks, but dont set up the wave. Then act as if they can do anything as an 0/3 vlad with no items
Yess and i hate it when they constantly ping for help while either standing under the enemy tower or not being able to help during a gank at all...then they die and blame you for either "feeding their lane" or "never ganking" ...had a toplaner lately that spampinged every minute for help as if no other lane or objective exists
ok let's talk about min 3:13 when u go roam and leave your adc alone ,if I do that not only they die 1v2 but they will int or go afk and flame me all the game and call me troll ofc even by my mid (worst scenario) 😂 I wish it was so easy but yes this video showed me I need to learn MORE
This is actually a really good video on this and now that I think back on it, when my wave control got better a few years ago, it's when I broke into Masters. Thanks Skill Capped fam!
I litteraly did this in a tournament game today where we faut level one and both adcs died and I baited the enemy support to auto me so the wave started to push into us. Basicly won us the lane!! Thank you!!
I sometimes do the draging thing so that the wave doesnt go under tower. But after a fight I don’t know if its better to freeze or push to enemy tower. Also on top lane idk what is better. I’d think freezing is better if you can’t poke them under the tower like leona
if its a big enemy wave, everyone but you dead, freeze it by your tower. if its big ally wave, everyone but you dead, typically if you’re able to, you push to their tower so they lose the wave. but ensure your timings are correct so the enemy doesnt come back to the wave and the tower kills most minions so they lose out on xp and gold
Ok here is the issue with roaming as a support even when the wave is going to bounce back your dumb adc will always try to get that one melee creep that is going to die by walking up and inting.This happens multiples times a game and in every single game. In this video you should throw in a side remark telling adcs not to go for the one creep and just wait its going to come back to you. The 90g you get for a caddy is not wort the 300g, the exp the enemy gets, and all the exp you lose when they hard push and lose the whole wave with a gray screen.
tbh that hasne happened to me since i left like gold 4 or something, people dont realise importance of wave control till plat 2-3 but atleast they realise what will get them killed.
This is actually funny, because toplane is my main and I play as a support only sometimes, when some of my friends want to switch the lane. And usually, I know wave control techniques better than my ADCs do.
as a former grandmaster, this guide is actually somewhat accurate on what presented. Wave Control as support is as important as anything. But that doesn't mean other laners won't be able to control their own minion waves to roam around elsewhere. If a midlaner ganks on top, then it's the midlaner's job to either push his wave to prevent the enemy wave from pushing to tower after he finishes the gank or secured a kill/rift herald. Roam support is good, but there are some supports who are dominant on bot lane control like sustain supports like Sona, Soraka, Bard, etc. they have better river control. as for the support ganking, it's the support's job to clear any wards from the riverside if they unlocked their support ward to get an oracle or control wards the river to prevent ganking. Grandmaster/Challenger supports usually aggros mid to top if they cleared the turret on botside and they are winning. all his ADR had to do is either wait for a dragon call or cs at that point. missing few cs just to shot call on an unimportant objective often leads to ceaseless losing of map control. it's also the support's job to make sure their side of the jungle is safe to roam around and alert the team which side of the jungle the enemies are present. like if a lot of enemies are at the red buff side, then their job is to ward some key areas where they are safe to do so or clear off any enemy wards. Point is, there's literally no reason for you to come over to someone else's lane to hold it. but in low elo, a lot of times low elo players leave their lane to chase down some kills or force fights that they cannot win, thus missing a lot of CS in the process. to overcome this, you simply have to secure a few CS on your own to support those greedy teammates until they decide to go for the objective and eventually win the game. you are a support for a reason. if you main as one, do your job and start using wards. don't just go to the jungle side where a lot of activities are present. winning teamfights is good, but it only lasts for a few seconds just enough to secure an objective. remember in league, time is money. if you're wasting your time, you're losing a lot of money.
I play Wild Rift and Holy crap. I never thought about letting the enemy sup hit me to gain wave control. I'll definitely be trying that soon. - what mostly ends up happening is the enemy sup pushes the minions without an ADC or other present (I love when they do this!). I have yet to play witha sup as ADC who will save waves for me ( it happens just very rare). What I have been doing for some time now (thanks to all these videos here on youtube) is setting up a freeze at my tower as a sup. I typically take a lot of damage just to save a few minions for my ADC. What bugs the F out of me is when I've done this work and they come back and immediately start pushing the wave, even when our match up is not favorable and/or we're getting smashed on. I'll even save minions and set up freezes for my laners when I jungle if I can help it.
I have never seen an ADC in my silver 2 games who was aware that hard shoving wasn’t the only viable wave management strategy. I try to help occasionally, I‘m sure I am not super good at it yet, but omfg
Recently had met an adc who was the exact opposite. Were hard punishing the enemy to the point Varus couldn't even farm because stepping up would've meant death. My adc decided on us being full health and near full mana, nah we gotta push in now and back on level three not taking any plate or anything because it's an Alistair and clearly we're in danger when the Varus is nearly dead lvl 1 and too scared to touch wave with full vision. Safe to say I rage quit that lane and just perma camped mid after he complained once when Alistair started being able to roam for free after my adc decided to throw our lead. Thank god my Asol mid was decent enough and Noc decided its fun to join a perma roaming Sona in ganking so we could just dominate map through mid and jungle. But yeah, both extremes are painful
My biggest issue is that none of the adcs i get matched with know how to cs and miss the last shot on minions every single time, I'll set up a huge wave for them and they'll just miss it all. Either that or my adc gets tilted when i start autoing or kiteing minions. I'm a support main yet im better at playing adc than most of the adcs i get matched with, especially in the new season.
interesting. i already had some wave management skills cuz i used to main top but now i play thresh i didnt realize how much i could be doing with said knowledge. nice time to test this out.
You forgot to mention that you cant play support without flaming and blame your adc for everything like soak up 4 skill shot and dying, miss every skill shot and blame the adc for it, and yeah i can go on forever. You have not master the support role until you are mastered your ego and being a degenerate toxic asshole towards your adc, and ofc blame everything on them. Then, only then you have mastered the support role and looking at the comments, feels like they have mastered the support role really well. No wonder why so many adc mains quit and just switch roles
Peaked Plat 4 as a Top/Mid laner. Switched to Support and now I just peaked to Diamond 4. I can confirm, everything in this video si 10000% correct. Knowing how to control a wave from my mid/toplane experience def helps in the support role.
6:41 yup, I think the main reason that "even if a support has played another lane and knows wave management" they still don't hit the wave due how toxic adcs are with their minions. How do I know this? I'm a bot main, when I go adc and have to crash I ping my wave. 4 out of 5 times my support understands and starts attacking the wave as well, if they do, that's a gg from me. Unless they flame anyone.
the amount of times i've been flamed for even daring to touch the wave is insane. If the first few minions end up our tower and I smack the casters once so my adc can auto once, boom flamed, I take damage to give my adc all 6 minions cause they're almost back to lane? Flamed. It's not worth it, I just no longer touch it unless I get pinged for assistance. Funny given that mid laners seems to care more and appreciate it when you do nice things with their waves :c
one thing to consider when dragging the wave before backing like the amumu did is does this stacked wave create a dive opportunity. if the jungle comes along to dive the vayne at this point she will be placed so far behind its not funny.
Roaming in low elo leads to "cry cry im alone" - it doesnt actually work because it tilts everyone into throwing. mid: get out of my lane top: why are you here? jg: no ganks bott, supp not there.
03:10 if you let leona vayne tower dive your xayah its gonna be hard to get the wave for her, we dont know anything about resources health/mana or levels.
Nami did the right thing, what do you mean? Cait just has to last hit, because, as you said, the ADC and Support are coming back up soon. This also enables Nami to roam to mid, mark her territory and come back to lane, AND HOPEFULLY Cait already backed and is half-way to Bot lane.
This guide is useless just because of ONE rule, When your adc is alone, he dies! 1. When I stay on the line and try to control the wave and then recall, my adc has to survive 1v2 for some time. So he dies, while I am on my way back. 2. If I go roam, my adc dies. 3. Even when I go to put a damn ward in the bush, guess what happened? Yea, my adc dies. So I understood that the only way to keep my adc alive is to stay with him all the game and protect at all costs.
I don't know but what I do when I play mid is that I clear lanes faster than my enemy then I will be the one to help other lanes just like what the jungle would do. I think it is very crucial not to let your marksman be alone with a huge minion wave because that would be an easy dive for the enemy making your marksman get killed though it is only my deduction on support going to mid just to get an assist.
Also for me, the ranking of the most important role would be first mid since he has the access of the bottom and top farms. Second is support which is responsible for protecting and nurturing your marksman which will be the important part at the clash (Free hit). Third is the jungle which will control early to mid game. 4th is either top or adr
It depends on what support you are and what’s your potential gank and also on who’s the adc. Ezreal can totally manage to be alone bot for few minutes and in the worst scenario if you’re gonna get dive , leave the lane while your team is taking something else and wait for help If the enemy jungler decide to dive you while the herald is up and your team get it, than it’s good for you You’re gonna keep farming mid anyway lol
No wonder ive been doing so well as support lately its probably cos i applied my wave control skills from when i was a top and jungle laner to my support role
Same scenario except I apply what I learned playing top as ADC (don't support much nowadays) big improvements, not anymore mindlessly killing minions xD
this only shows perfect case scenarios. I can guarantee you that braum in low elo would not just watch and stand, so you either have the option to battle back or go back to tower which means you lose out on a lot of lasthit gold. but those scenarios aren't even mentioned, just "look how great they are, the end"
the thing is that so many supps are just way too scared of doing any wave management or even roaming because when they do, adcs start losing their shit. they act like everything is the supports fault when really they’re just the easiest to blame
I remember I had a bronze friend I met while smurfing and he was just afking in the lane and I told him to "when you don't know what to do, just hit the fucking wave". 3 weeks later he was silver. He didn't know why he needed to hit waves even though sometimes his equally clueless adc may flame him but it did work like magic.
the same can be said in reverse. My ADC flamed me for hitting minions, pushed the wave to an unfavourable place and then went base although he had to push the wave into the enemy tower. And that just happens so often
you didnt mention the most important things. Is the wave frozen towards you and are you perhaps coming from base or dont need to base (no gold, full mana and hp). Then freezing the wave is very good there.
@@petersblub It does not freeze on our side that is the point. And the ADCs not understood why the minions have to be pushed into the enemys tower. There is no situation where you want to freeze the minions in front of the opponent's tower.
Support is the only role you cannot learn by playing it. You have to play other roles to understand what a support should do, the importance of vision, cc, pushing/holding waves, etc. Support is so poorly designed and is such a bait role for beginners with low confidence it's mindboggling. Plus you get so bullied by your adc it's like you're barely above a cannon minion in hierarchy. After playing top I understood support so much more it's insane.
Love these tips i have been playing Lol since 2014 i dont play rank mostly to how toxic low elo is but i would love to start climbing i can play all 5 rolls really well but adc and support i main i love botlane would really like to see ore of these videos and start getting in propper rank
My problem with wave control is that almost every adc i get wants a different thing and most of the time it doesnt match the champ they play Like, ill get caitlyns who want to sit back and freeze outside our turret range for a whole 8 mins and gets mad that im trying to recall and go help herald, while the draven i get next game is pissed at me for not insta roaming at lvl 3 and thinks im trolling if were not constantly shoving waves all day. So if, no matter what i try to do, i get a slap on the wrist, might as well get a slap of the wrist for doing nothing. Edit : i forgot to add, as i started playing in a draft league, i learned rlly quick what my adc player wanted and within 3-4 matches, we went from looking like maybe the worst bot lane to 3rd best, because this time i knew that if i responded correctly to the "slap on the wrist", there would not be another one.
My understanding of this game is the two botlaners are supposed to be premades, lol! Like, you can't think of them as if they were two separate entities, more like the right and the left leg of a single person or smth 🙈
Sorry its another reason. Its because support mains usually suck in general. No real clue about the game, their trash "calls" messing up the whole game and no idea which fight they can take or when to go back. Sure there are good supporter but they usually playd another role and know the actual game.
I'm the support that does good and always helps my ADC xD til they think its cute to trash me for their minor inconvenience. Then I just watch them die and feed the enemy lane while I go help the other teammates. As a support it is our job to keep the rest alive.. but we can also pick and choose who to keep alive as well.
@@sofiolaverry depends on the adc. you cant tell me you have something like an aphelio adc and a blitz/leona/naut enemy supp and you just say bye bye to him(assuming he aint an annoying piece of shit)
I remember one situation on botlane where on gank we killed enemies but ADC died. And I shoved the neutral wave to bounce it back and got flamed for the rest of the game for touching his minions while he was dead xd
i just started support, can sombody pls explaint to me the 4 diffirent supports, im not ranked yet, but how do i do it? should i just start and get experience or? pls let me know ^^
im not sure how to consciously apply wave management at all as its more of an unconscious thing i know to do usually, its really difficult to predict exactly how a wave will be and its really difficult to learn that as well since its not taught very well either when people try to explain it, the video made sense but felt too vague and missed important info that would make it comprehensible
Wild rift have early item that if support kill minon when have some blue ball thingy, near your ally you get 120% gold from that and your adc get same amount of the Minion if get kill, otherwise you get 50% from killing Minion if you alone or don't have that thing
The problem with skill-capped guides is that they forget they're talking about League of Legends, a very well-known game for its toxicity. Now, I won't lie, my wave management could use improvement. But how am I expected to improve when 9/10 ADCs don't want ANYONE touching the wave for ANY reason? This is like expecting someone to become better at cooking by ONLY reading cookbooks.
lol. playing support is if not the most important role yet all other positions think its a nonsence. same with healers in wow, where thank fucking christ people ACTUALLY understand that it is vital part of the pvp. in league support is "the one unlucky guy who has to fill up the role" and out of anger he throws a tantrum. OR lacks the idea of responsibility to help others or just plainly does not want to since no one will praise his/hers dedication in playing good. People do not suck at support, people cba playing it well since no one appriciates what they do. Period.
The victim mentality is strong. Who tf cares? Do you need to be praised every game for your efforts? I'm a support main and get complimented and honored when I play well because players are used to supports being the worst players in the game. If you don't feel like you're "appreciated" enough then you probably match the title of this video
@@chase6943 uhh did you even get what he was trying to say ? he was just stating the fact that most sup take up the role for how easy it is which is why majority of players suck at it cuz its not that easy.
@@vedantgupta2145 "People do not suck at support, people cba playing it well since no one appriciates what they do. Period." No this literally implies "people don't want to be good at a role, because we don't get praised enough". Yes support isn't easy, but saying it's because we're not appreciated enough is ridiculous, because when I play damn well you bet people appreciate the living fuck out of me, but when I play badly? ofc no one is going to appreciate a bad support. Likewise with my adc's, if my adc plays like a god, I'm going to call them one. Support as a whole isn't a hard role to play, but it is a hard role to play effectively and well.
@@chase6943 do not need constant stroking on my ego tellin me , you are such a good boy, but at times when i pull out a good play and save people from gatea of hell, fuck yea - some appriciation would be good. How many times id seen people praised adc or some other role mopping up, while you actually saving their ass multiple times, them litteraly clicking rightclick and bam...adc god! Hilarious. The plain fact he would be dead 10 times without yor care and spoonfeeding him yet he behaves like dont exist or treats you poorly. Did i mention kill steals? Wtf is that? Should i rather be inactive and let enemy flee, the called noob or some other great example or ks then being kill stealer. This role is the most non respected role in the game. You can play you ass of and there are rare those that value what you actually do. Majority of people who play league do not even understand the basic concept, just want to murder the most and then boost their ego after. Game looks simple but its far from it. Like chess but with 5 people.
As a support what is the best way to help a jungler who is literally getting gapped by another jungler other than warding and pinging enemy jg positions/ roams
I main Thresh and Braum and i really have issues with the adc that just want to go in every freaking time they see an enemy, even when we don't have full vision at the moment, they just want to go in with nothing and then die, blaming me
I feel like the only league player in the world who genuinely doesn’t care to look at “pro players”. I’m not here to stress out about every possible intricacy. I’m here to have fun.
what am i supposed to do when the enemy thresh/nau/blitz catches my adc and killing him and make him lose many farm & exp, should i stay in lane or leave?? last game i was playing karma & kaisa VS thresh & varus and my kaisa was like 0/5 in minute 8. with a low farm of course
''The gold elo player doesn't care or doesn't know.'' Well no shit he's gold for a reason. For a channel that preaches about learning you're not doing a very good job of accepting different skill levels.
That's the main issue with videos like this, they teach you techniques that are only applicable to high elo play. If you even try doing this stuff in bronze or silver, you will get spam-pinged by your adc who will then proceed to flame and feed because they think you are trolling.
The amount of times i played nami and hit every ability and used exhaust and did everything i can while my adc walks into a stun or fights something they cant win and then ping me why i didnt do anything while im sitting there after hitting q and ult, healing, exhausting and enchanting after pinging them back...then they ask why i even play nami without lucian adcs as if nami would be a bad support
Learning wave control as a support is all well and good until you get an adc who literally perma-pushes the waves no matter what, with no regard for the enemy teamcomp or state of the game. At that point there is nothing the support player can do except do their best to ward for ganks and pray they don't get camped.
On top of that, adcs that don't shove the lane and keep the enemy bot and sup close to tower apparently means nothing to junglers. Countless games our lane was shoved and jg never came bot to get free ganks and gold
@@joshuacox5817 I don't mind that too much as long as the jungler is making plays in the other lanes. Like it or not there are often lane match-ups in top and mid that are more impactful than anything happening in the bot lane.
@@TheMidnightillusion nah see, the junglers I get ignore our shoved lane, then camp other lanes for players that can't or don't do anything with their lead, or feed.
@@joshuacox5817 That can happen, but is that the jungler's fault? Assuming everyone on the team are complete strangers, the jungle has no idea which lane will carry when given a lead. The only thing they can do is pick the lane that they believe has the best chance of carrying and hope the player can use that lead.
@@TheMidnightillusion yes it is the junglers fault when ignoring opportunities for ganks and trying to help losing lanes. Yes. There are literally junglers ive seen multiple times walk in to enemy vision then try to sneak drag without ganking a lane first then giving drag to enemy team.
As a Toplane Main i mastered this, i just wanted to know how to play fights and what to do in the midgame :c. Title baited me hard, its just another wavecontrol one
I remember that one rank game where I accidentally hit the minions instead of the enemy champs since i used sona's Q and immediately my adc spammed me with the ? ping and saying he lost his momentum or something lmao so I just muted the varus and somehow we won and I got an S+ and apparently my adc was shitting on my other teammates too lol
2:30 Min.: Im a Seraphine OTP and nope you CAN impakt the wave! XD I do this many times and touches the wave. Many ADCs hates it if i manipulate there wave but i dont care. Im just is to carry there game not take care over how they FEEL.
6:40 Min.: Is she dump? Why help she not crash it? Many adcs tilt if i touch the wave and i allways say them: "We needs to crash. Im not your mom. Your feelings arent importent for me. I wants to win this with you. Be a mature adult and chill your b@lls. ty." Or somthing like this.
Yeah. I def suck as support then despite playing support 90% of the time. The only thing in my head is trying to prevent ally turrets from taking damage as much as possible and try to damage enemy's turret as much as possible
I had to stop playing support because literally LATE GAME at the enemies outer base turrents my laner pinged me a bunch and said reported because i was helping push the wave so we could get the turrent XD. Also low elo adcs ive been getting wont let me leave lane to ward then ping my wards and baby rage. Had a adc walk under enemy turrent and die while i was warding cuz the enemy jungle showed mid and was coming botside
Omg i do this roam thing you explained and my adc always spam pings me also if I touch the wave at all I almost always get pinged also even if they’re way too far coming from base and I just get the last hit for the gold??!!! Why are they so crazy
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i'm still new to the game entirely but i just get yelled at if i kill minions so i'd do the same as nami and just watch (or use abilities towards the enemies if their in lane)
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The problem with helping your adc push waves as a support in low elo is that your adc's ego won't allow him to not ping you and type "don't touch MY minions". So you either afk or roam while he is doing his thing or you can try to push causing him to rage, waste all his sums and abilities and leave you alone in lane for the rest of the game
adc ego..., you can write a book about that
I've got shit 4 last hitting minions while adc far far away... like why can't I have the gold instead of it go to nothing 😒 it's not pushing if all u do is last hit before minion to claim the gold 😅
as an adc main i actually prefer when my supp pushes or takes minions unless i'm right there.. It can manage the lane so well, especially early.. + they get extra gold and get ahead of the other support who probably ignores the wave most of the time.. and when i'm support i do this as well, i know many low elos struggle with farming if you pre-hit the minions for them, but i do take the farm if the adc isn't there, isn¨t able to hit it on time, currently placing a ward in a far away bush etc.. i¨m bronze rank too..
very much this. it's so common, it's almost evry game and it becomes a fight which is so unnecessary
I've literally never seen this happen and I've been playing from bronce all the way to plat
As a support main, i can say that roaming has led to spam pings from my mid laner and my adc going 0/5
I remember in two games side by side as Bard, I leave my adc 3 shrines and then roam, the shrines are in a line to make an escape easy as can be and we're pushed up so im not doing much. I get mid a kill and take drake...
The adc then dies and then cries that im not in lane. The jhin told me when i questioned him why he didnt take the shrine path "they only heal like 80 hp"
The shrines give movement speed and hp... and more hp than 0 is living.
@@elgatochurro I htink their is a bigger problem as not accepting the 80hp
what for player doesn't take shiny items who are free to take?
no matter what htey do: if it looks it comes from my team: IT'S MINE (even I can't use it xD)
Mute them, solved
let's face it the majority are kids who are teach you all of this. If Neither support is back at bot you can roam if you see a opening if not watch out for being bait on the recall LOL dumb kids ! Yet you can tell your adc not to engage in a 2 vs1, but when your just warding an bush behind our frozen wave who goes "all in" than spam pings you like your in the wrong !!!!!!!! These players will forever be trash in real life as well.
especially when you are solo Q support, as your adc won’t understand this ,they would rather see you standing beside or die with them
The Nami is probably just traumatized by all the ADCs spam pinging questionmarks, if you attack their minions just once... Honestly, so many of my ADCs in Gold tilt, when I auto attack the minions to secure us the level 2 powerspike.
The other day, we clearly saw the enemy botlane recall and I for the love of God could not convince my Sivir to shove the lane and recall as well... she pinged me, why I dare to attack the wave. Serious: How am I supposed to manipulate my wave then?
My other favorite example: I actually learned how to pull the first wave to deny CSs... which doesn't help, if my ADC just kills their minions faster than they kill our minion.
Just mute them and play, that's what i do. At first sign of a bad play never trust the adc.
Mute all
Literally just give them e
People get too worried about tilt. Improve your vision and game plan making and then mute all and mute pings. You need none of those if you have enough game sense. I’ve carried plenty of “tilted” players by enabling them.
"The Nami it's probably traumatized" Yes that's me, i'm her, she's I, lmao the fact that I DO THE SAME omggg
Me, a support main that started as adc and learned wave management: 😎
My adc: perma shoves the moment they see the minions 🤯
then when it's time to crash they base and leave the wave in awkward spots.
true story, i prefer 3v2 with jungler but adc prefer pushin lane and die from back
i love how adc's always complain that bot lane is support diff, overlooking that they're in control of the wave. they have the power to set up too.
what supports have to hear about adc's complain, is tiny bit of what junglers always have to hear about laners complaining they have no agency. while in reality, they're in control of the wave and it's their job to set up ganks.
@@GrammeStudio yes, i want to setup gank but if i play under my turrret jungler gank top tanky rival XD it is awesome
and does it when your roam too, so when they die because they are over extended, thats your fault too :P
In our defense, when passing through lower elos, we get turbo flamed for even touching the wave by some low elo adc players that also don't know wave management. It's ptsd for us xD
I ve always loved having chat but i realized ranked is just too toxic. I suggest you /deafen and do whatever you feel like its good. I can assure you in d1/low master the toxicity and stupidity is at the same level. Just dont be afraid to fail, you ll learn much more if you *limit test*, like, you ll actually understand why what you did was wrong if you ve done the same mistake in a few plays. +, imo, muting chat will also keep you more focused. Good luck! 🙌
@@Bassist4Life123 Honestly, I never mute all. There are still cool people out there with some positive interactions. I like having the "I got your back" and "nice job" interactions, plus some people will (very rarely) explain their reasoning, which I like to learn from. Even if it's flawed, it gives me some perspective into how teammates in my elo think, which can be just as important a part of climbing as in-game mechanics. And if someone is repeatedly toxic or pings excessively, I'll just mute them individually. I've got a strong mental so teammates having a mental boom doesn't really affect me much. If it gets annoying, I'll slap the mute no hesitation. But I prefer to leave the shotcalling options open so I can follow up on them.
It's a personal preference, for sure. Mute all is not a bad strat in general. Positive interactions are few and far between so you're definitely not missing much.
Just mute them. No point in allowing someone else to hinder your experience.
This is quite possibly the best guide I've ever seen.
As a support main hovering in high plat/d4, I now realise I do some of this automatically, but am not consciously applying wave knowledge often enough. Hopefully it can help me improve.
It won't. Knowledge about this kind of stuff only matters in 5v5s that you most likely won't play most of the time (since league's amatour scene is literally dead).
If you want to REALLY improve, learn what EOMM is and how to play around it to actually win games.
@@darkmoon7422 lmfaoo grow up kiddo
Did you learn wave control then? How early? I'm silver, and my adc won't stop giving me *** about the wave.
@@ethanchen4504 I know this comment is like 6 months old but one of the things that will help you climb is being decisive and recognizing if your ADC is competent enough to listen to their plays. (Easier said than done.) If it makes sense to shove the wave and back then fuck em shove that shit and back. Your ADC can be as mad as he wants but his choice is to then either back with you or fuck up his own back timing. I know when I played in silver my ADC's would ping me off the wave when I'm just helping us push for level 2, but they would forget about it when we got a kill off of the level 2 pressure. You basically have to do your best to spoonfeed the other players. If wave management is not your strong suit I recommend playing ADC in norms and try forcing favorable wave states. Thats how I learned and its made me a better support player.
This is a nice guide, its not another wave control guide, it just showcase what you can do as a support. Love it more than another wave control guide for support. Thanks guys.
When you press tab as support and you see your hole team with negative kda and you know you can t do anything about it
ok but that's every role
As a player u have to finde the most reliable way to give your team adventage. And be able to be consistent. So things like decisionmaking, wave management, are the most imoportant. If you now basics to perfection you can adapt to the current state of the game. People dont understand they dont have to carry every game, if they are behind but other lines are ahead its better to Play safe and farm than try some flashy plays and fall behind even more. U can only fully control your actions.
FACTS
Thats like 5 percent of your games
Every role and every player has to deal with that, and it's a small percentage of your games, don't be delusional
when i actually understood that the goal of the game is to push our minions into their base is what wins us the game it changed everything...baus made me understand that if your whole team dies, but you are able to deny them wave, they cant end
The goal of the game is your team not feeding them enough, get your team fed and delete them and the towers/Nexus. Decision making of the whole team is key, not just the support. but at least i guess this guide can make you do your part.
Plat support here. I actually understand wave management as adc is my secondary role. The adcs I have don’t understand what it means. You leave a wave in a good spot to go roam and then they shove it. Leaving themselves too far pushed up and die for it. Only thing plat adcs understand is to shove the wave when needed. Same goes for my supports though. The amount of times a support ruins a freeze I have. Or I back with it slow pushing into me and my brand just can’t help himself but to use abilities on the wave.
Ok so I meant to play support this morning because of this video. But I got adc and felt comfortable about the match heading in. I already also followed your previous Sivir guide and cheater recall tips on cannon wave.
Mannnnnn after I say about a week or two of practicing I finally lane dominated my opponent in extreme fashion! 17 KDA and 505 gold a minute. So I appreciate these guides because I really don’t want to be Bronze. I’d like to be at Gold this year because that seems like a reasonable goal based off my current rank of Bronze 4. Also big thanks to my Swain support. He definitely sacrificed himself to save me a few times.
Nice! hope u reach your goal this season :)
I got to gold 4 from bronze 1 during the preseason! I felt like I was doing so much better and playing adc actually felt pretty enjoyable! You can do it!
updates? where are you now
How to Win with Support:
Support the One Punch Man Strongest Ninja Warrior!
Stop supporting only the ADC and press TAB to see who is your Big Daddy!
Exactly, sticking to a tilted / below average adc of your current skill bracket, only reduces win condition. Besides, when left alone they have to be proactive instead of reactive. Maybe they will adapt, maybe they will learn it the hard way.
and they get mad at yuumi supporting other champs in the team, when thats what supports have to do anyway XDDD
I feel like this is especially true in low elos. Sticking to one person in the team who has a very positive score whereas the rest of the team is losing is crucial. Since they are all trash players you only need to worry about the strongest one and keep him alive until he smashes the enemy team. Super helpful
Noted
My playstyle is always oriented towards wave control and positioning into objectives. While we can take into account what is said in the video it is not always an option, i'm gold at the moment so by no means i'm pro but most of the essentials of supports is macro tracking, wave management and vision control. Not always do we get a nice ADC that's worth giving more attention and care than the team and we don't always have good games so don't take it against each other lol. I was hoping to see more vision tips.
here is one vision doesnt matter taht much
@@petersblub yeah and surely no matter which kind of troll you get or if even 3 people int per game, it's winnable lmao. Dont be naive.
Stay bronze
@@ignaciodiaz9998 thats correct i should have at least an 80 percent winrate in gold and losing games ist most likely always my fault.
@@petersblub vision is always important
knowing where the enemy is at will help everyone
ok that leona and braum moment had me in awe
as someone that jungles, what always gets me is when people flame you for ganks, but dont set up the wave. Then act as if they can do anything as an 0/3 vlad with no items
Yess and i hate it when they constantly ping for help while either standing under the enemy tower or not being able to help during a gank at all...then they die and blame you for either "feeding their lane" or "never ganking" ...had a toplaner lately that spampinged every minute for help as if no other lane or objective exists
🤣 the quantity of minutes we just freeze wave under tower without any gank… bad experience both side don’t worry lol
ok let's talk about min 3:13 when u go roam and leave your adc alone ,if I do that not only they die 1v2 but they will int or go afk and flame me all the game and call me troll ofc even by my mid (worst scenario) 😂 I wish it was so easy but yes this video showed me I need to learn MORE
This is actually a really good video on this and now that I think back on it, when my wave control got better a few years ago, it's when I broke into Masters. Thanks Skill Capped fam!
I litteraly did this in a tournament game today where we faut level one and both adcs died and I baited the enemy support to auto me so the wave started to push into us. Basicly won us the lane!! Thank you!!
Adc died, I froze the wave, I backed while adc was pushing the wave up, adc died again and blame me. Love this game
I sometimes do the draging thing so that the wave doesnt go under tower. But after a fight I don’t know if its better to freeze or push to enemy tower. Also on top lane idk what is better. I’d think freezing is better if you can’t poke them under the tower like leona
same man, i have no clue what to do with it.
if its a big enemy wave, everyone but you dead, freeze it by your tower. if its big ally wave, everyone but you dead, typically if you’re able to, you push to their tower so they lose the wave. but ensure your timings are correct so the enemy doesnt come back to the wave and the tower kills most minions so they lose out on xp and gold
Ok here is the issue with roaming as a support even when the wave is going to bounce back your dumb adc will always try to get that one melee creep that is going to die by walking up and inting.This happens multiples times a game and in every single game. In this video you should throw in a side remark telling adcs not to go for the one creep and just wait its going to come back to you. The 90g you get for a caddy is not wort the 300g, the exp the enemy gets, and all the exp you lose when they hard push and lose the whole wave with a gray screen.
tbh that hasne happened to me since i left like gold 4 or something, people dont realise importance of wave control till plat 2-3 but atleast they realise what will get them killed.
This is actually funny, because toplane is my main and I play as a support only sometimes, when some of my friends want to switch the lane. And usually, I know wave control techniques better than my ADCs do.
as a former grandmaster, this guide is actually somewhat accurate on what presented.
Wave Control as support is as important as anything. But that doesn't mean other laners won't be able to control their own minion waves to roam around elsewhere. If a midlaner ganks on top, then it's the midlaner's job to either push his wave to prevent the enemy wave from pushing to tower after he finishes the gank or secured a kill/rift herald. Roam support is good, but there are some supports who are dominant on bot lane control like sustain supports like Sona, Soraka, Bard, etc. they have better river control. as for the support ganking, it's the support's job to clear any wards from the riverside if they unlocked their support ward to get an oracle or control wards the river to prevent ganking. Grandmaster/Challenger supports usually aggros mid to top if they cleared the turret on botside and they are winning. all his ADR had to do is either wait for a dragon call or cs at that point. missing few cs just to shot call on an unimportant objective often leads to ceaseless losing of map control. it's also the support's job to make sure their side of the jungle is safe to roam around and alert the team which side of the jungle the enemies are present. like if a lot of enemies are at the red buff side, then their job is to ward some key areas where they are safe to do so or clear off any enemy wards.
Point is, there's literally no reason for you to come over to someone else's lane to hold it. but in low elo, a lot of times low elo players leave their lane to chase down some kills or force fights that they cannot win, thus missing a lot of CS in the process. to overcome this, you simply have to secure a few CS on your own to support those greedy teammates until they decide to go for the objective and eventually win the game. you are a support for a reason. if you main as one, do your job and start using wards. don't just go to the jungle side where a lot of activities are present. winning teamfights is good, but it only lasts for a few seconds just enough to secure an objective. remember in league, time is money. if you're wasting your time, you're losing a lot of money.
Thank you kind sir 🫡
I play Wild Rift and Holy crap. I never thought about letting the enemy sup hit me to gain wave control. I'll definitely be trying that soon. - what mostly ends up happening is the enemy sup pushes the minions without an ADC or other present (I love when they do this!). I have yet to play witha sup as ADC who will save waves for me ( it happens just very rare).
What I have been doing for some time now (thanks to all these videos here on youtube) is setting up a freeze at my tower as a sup. I typically take a lot of damage just to save a few minions for my ADC. What bugs the F out of me is when I've done this work and they come back and immediately start pushing the wave, even when our match up is not favorable and/or we're getting smashed on.
I'll even save minions and set up freezes for my laners when I jungle if I can help it.
I have never seen an ADC in my silver 2 games who was aware that hard shoving wasn’t the only viable wave management strategy. I try to help occasionally, I‘m sure I am not super good at it yet, but omfg
Recently had met an adc who was the exact opposite. Were hard punishing the enemy to the point Varus couldn't even farm because stepping up would've meant death. My adc decided on us being full health and near full mana, nah we gotta push in now and back on level three not taking any plate or anything because it's an Alistair and clearly we're in danger when the Varus is nearly dead lvl 1 and too scared to touch wave with full vision. Safe to say I rage quit that lane and just perma camped mid after he complained once when Alistair started being able to roam for free after my adc decided to throw our lead. Thank god my Asol mid was decent enough and Noc decided its fun to join a perma roaming Sona in ganking so we could just dominate map through mid and jungle.
But yeah, both extremes are painful
Me on support with 0 kills 19 assists and an 80 vision score at 25 minutes and feeling like i have 0 impact 😂
Bruh mood, people will flame you and be like “you don’t have any kills” and it’s like dawg I have touched every kill
On this rift.
My biggest issue is that none of the adcs i get matched with know how to cs and miss the last shot on minions every single time, I'll set up a huge wave for them and they'll just miss it all.
Either that or my adc gets tilted when i start autoing or kiteing minions. I'm a support main yet im better at playing adc than most of the adcs i get matched with, especially in the new season.
interesting. i already had some wave management skills cuz i used to main top but now i play thresh i didnt realize how much i could be doing with said knowledge. nice time to test this out.
You forgot to mention that you cant play support without flaming and blame your adc for everything like soak up 4 skill shot and dying, miss every skill shot and blame the adc for it, and yeah i can go on forever.
You have not master the support role until you are mastered your ego and being a degenerate toxic asshole towards your adc, and ofc blame everything on them. Then, only then you have mastered the support role and looking at the comments, feels like they have mastered the support role really well. No wonder why so many adc mains quit and just switch roles
I have never played LoL but have played SMITE and this is very relatable as a support main.
i just started playing a few days ago and i'm obsessed i really appreciate this!
Peaked Plat 4 as a Top/Mid laner. Switched to Support and now I just peaked to Diamond 4. I can confirm, everything in this video si 10000% correct. Knowing how to control a wave from my mid/toplane experience def helps in the support role.
It does, but only when you get to plat+ elo. If you try to follow this guide in the lower leagues with a random adc you will lose every game.
6:41 yup, I think the main reason that "even if a support has played another lane and knows wave management" they still don't hit the wave due how toxic adcs are with their minions.
How do I know this? I'm a bot main, when I go adc and have to crash I ping my wave. 4 out of 5 times my support understands and starts attacking the wave as well, if they do, that's a gg from me.
Unless they flame anyone.
the amount of times i've been flamed for even daring to touch the wave is insane. If the first few minions end up our tower and I smack the casters once so my adc can auto once, boom flamed, I take damage to give my adc all 6 minions cause they're almost back to lane? Flamed. It's not worth it, I just no longer touch it unless I get pinged for assistance. Funny given that mid laners seems to care more and appreciate it when you do nice things with their waves :c
I just hit silver and wave management was the next big thing I wanted to work on. This is a great video to start with!
one thing to consider when dragging the wave before backing like the amumu did is does this stacked wave create a dive opportunity.
if the jungle comes along to dive the vayne at this point she will be placed so far behind its not funny.
4:00 Okay, this is one of the coolest things I have ever seen, and most people don't understand this kind of thing.
I have a 18 win streak and counting after watching the wave control guide on skill capped.
Cheers
YES FINALLY A SUPPORT GUIDE
Roaming in low elo leads to "cry cry im alone" - it doesnt actually work because it tilts everyone into throwing.
mid: get out of my lane
top: why are you here?
jg: no ganks bott, supp not there.
03:10 if you let leona vayne tower dive your xayah its gonna be hard to get the wave for her, we dont know anything about resources health/mana or levels.
I find this video very informative as a support player. The low elo ADCs that i play with arent gonna like that im touching their minions
Nami did the right thing, what do you mean? Cait just has to last hit, because, as you said, the ADC and Support are coming back up soon. This also enables Nami to roam to mid, mark her territory and come back to lane, AND HOPEFULLY Cait already backed and is half-way to Bot lane.
This guide is useless just because of ONE rule,
When your adc is alone, he dies!
1. When I stay on the line and try to control the wave and then recall, my adc has to survive 1v2 for some time. So he dies, while I am on my way back.
2. If I go roam, my adc dies.
3. Even when I go to put a damn ward in the bush, guess what happened? Yea, my adc dies.
So I understood that the only way to keep my adc alive is to stay with him all the game and protect at all costs.
thank you so much for making most important tipps free on youtube *mwuah*
I don't know but what I do when I play mid is that I clear lanes faster than my enemy then I will be the one to help other lanes just like what the jungle would do. I think it is very crucial not to let your marksman be alone with a huge minion wave because that would be an easy dive for the enemy making your marksman get killed though it is only my deduction on support going to mid just to get an assist.
Also for me, the ranking of the most important role would be first mid since he has the access of the bottom and top farms. Second is support which is responsible for protecting and nurturing your marksman which will be the important part at the clash (Free hit). Third is the jungle which will control early to mid game. 4th is either top or adr
It depends on what support you are and what’s your potential gank and also on who’s the adc.
Ezreal can totally manage to be alone bot for few minutes and in the worst scenario if you’re gonna get dive , leave the lane while your team is taking something else and wait for help
If the enemy jungler decide to dive you while the herald is up and your team get it, than it’s good for you
You’re gonna keep farming mid anyway lol
Thank you. It really works
No wonder ive been doing so well as support lately its probably cos i applied my wave control skills from when i was a top and jungle laner to my support role
Same scenario except I apply what I learned playing top as ADC (don't support much nowadays) big improvements, not anymore mindlessly killing minions xD
this only shows perfect case scenarios. I can guarantee you that braum in low elo would not just watch and stand, so you either have the option to battle back or go back to tower which means you lose out on a lot of lasthit gold. but those scenarios aren't even mentioned, just "look how great they are, the end"
Talking to league players is like talking to a wall man stfu
the thing is that so many supps are just way too scared of doing any wave management or even roaming because when they do, adcs start losing their shit. they act like everything is the supports fault when really they’re just the easiest to blame
I remember I had a bronze friend I met while smurfing and he was just afking in the lane and I told him to "when you don't know what to do, just hit the fucking wave". 3 weeks later he was silver. He didn't know why he needed to hit waves even though sometimes his equally clueless adc may flame him but it did work like magic.
the same can be said in reverse. My ADC flamed me for hitting minions, pushed the wave to an unfavourable place and then went base although he had to push the wave into the enemy tower. And that just happens so often
you didnt mention the most important things. Is the wave frozen towards you and are you perhaps coming from base or dont need to base (no gold, full mana and hp). Then freezing the wave is very good there.
@@petersblub It does not freeze on our side that is the point. And the ADCs not understood why the minions have to be pushed into the enemys tower. There is no situation where you want to freeze the minions in front of the opponent's tower.
Support is the only role you cannot learn by playing it. You have to play other roles to understand what a support should do, the importance of vision, cc, pushing/holding waves, etc. Support is so poorly designed and is such a bait role for beginners with low confidence it's mindboggling. Plus you get so bullied by your adc it's like you're barely above a cannon minion in hierarchy. After playing top I understood support so much more it's insane.
what do you understand from going top, please inform me I would really appreciate it
2:16 video starts. ads the whole beggining
Love these tips i have been playing Lol since 2014 i dont play rank mostly to how toxic low elo is but i would love to start climbing i can play all 5 rolls really well but adc and support i main i love botlane would really like to see ore of these videos and start getting in propper rank
A video on when to effectively roam and how to clearly communicate with a 2 IQ ADC pls?
and your adc yells at you if you even touch the wave in low elo
I love playing LOL but I don't have enough the necessity to satisfy myself, and I love to play as a support too. Love your vid
My problem with wave control is that almost every adc i get wants a different thing and most of the time it doesnt match the champ they play
Like, ill get caitlyns who want to sit back and freeze outside our turret range for a whole 8 mins and gets mad that im trying to recall and go help herald, while the draven i get next game is pissed at me for not insta roaming at lvl 3 and thinks im trolling if were not constantly shoving waves all day. So if, no matter what i try to do, i get a slap on the wrist, might as well get a slap of the wrist for doing nothing.
Edit : i forgot to add, as i started playing in a draft league, i learned rlly quick what my adc player wanted and within 3-4 matches, we went from looking like maybe the worst bot lane to 3rd best, because this time i knew that if i responded correctly to the "slap on the wrist", there would not be another one.
Would be very grateful if u can do a comprehensive Renata glasc guide
No one plays Renata, it's so sad! She's so much fun to play for me, one of my favs supports
@@maxil8988 frfr such a unique and fun champ to play
Coach cupcake has a very nice guide on Renata
@@motosloth8988 thanks mate any other people who post good support content?
Actually the worst outcome at 7:45 is your ad doesn’t know wave management and blows the whole wave up and fucks the freeze
Support isnt only ment to help your teammates, but you should never forget that they are your highest priority
in gold i do this but adc dont know how to capitalize on this and force fights under towers so im a hardstuck gold support player lol
My understanding of this game is the two botlaners are supposed to be premades, lol! Like, you can't think of them as if they were two separate entities, more like the right and the left leg of a single person or smth 🙈
Sorry its another reason. Its because support mains usually suck in general. No real clue about the game, their trash "calls" messing up the whole game and no idea which fight they can take or when to go back. Sure there are good supporter but they usually playd another role and know the actual game.
I'm the support that does good and always helps my ADC xD til they think its cute to trash me for their minor inconvenience. Then I just watch them die and feed the enemy lane while I go help the other teammates. As a support it is our job to keep the rest alive.. but we can also pick and choose who to keep alive as well.
thiss, I hate ADCs that feel entitled to you, as if you had to be with them all the time
@@sofiolaverry depends on the adc. you cant tell me you have something like an aphelio adc and a blitz/leona/naut enemy supp and you just say bye bye to him(assuming he aint an annoying piece of shit)
imagine knowing wavecontrol xD I am so tired to tell adcs to freeze and not perma push like braindead!
Don't touch MY minions!!! **Goes afk**
but what do I do if my adc doesn't know about the wave management?
So you are saying only attack minions when adc isnt there, or can attack while adc is there too?
I remember one situation on botlane where on gank we killed enemies but ADC died. And I shoved the neutral wave to bounce it back and got flamed for the rest of the game for touching his minions while he was dead xd
i just started support, can sombody pls explaint to me the 4 diffirent supports, im not ranked yet, but how do i do it? should i just start and get experience or? pls let me know ^^
im not sure how to consciously apply wave management at all as its more of an unconscious thing i know to do usually, its really difficult to predict exactly how a wave will be and its really difficult to learn that as well since its not taught very well either when people try to explain it, the video made sense but felt too vague and missed important info that would make it comprehensible
Wild rift have early item that if support kill minon when have some blue ball thingy, near your ally you get 120% gold from that and your adc get same amount of the Minion if get kill, otherwise you get 50% from killing Minion if you alone or don't have that thing
3:16 I think the correct phrase here was "perma-shoving like an Iron 4 and getting killed by the Vayne Leona" :^)
The problem with skill-capped guides is that they forget they're talking about League of Legends, a very well-known game for its toxicity.
Now, I won't lie, my wave management could use improvement. But how am I expected to improve when 9/10 ADCs don't want ANYONE touching the wave for ANY reason? This is like expecting someone to become better at cooking by ONLY reading cookbooks.
But how do you stop your negative win rate monkeys from flaming and inting?
lol. playing support is if not the most important role yet all other positions think its a nonsence. same with healers in wow, where thank fucking christ people ACTUALLY understand that it is vital part of the pvp. in league support is "the one unlucky guy who has to fill up the role" and out of anger he throws a tantrum.
OR
lacks the idea of responsibility to help others or just plainly does not want to since no one will praise his/hers dedication in playing good.
People do not suck at support, people cba playing it well since no one appriciates what they do. Period.
The victim mentality is strong.
Who tf cares? Do you need to be praised every game for your efforts? I'm a support main and get complimented and honored when I play well because players are used to supports being the worst players in the game. If you don't feel like you're "appreciated" enough then you probably match the title of this video
@@chase6943 uhh did you even get what he was trying to say ? he was just stating the fact that most sup take up the role for how easy it is which is why majority of players suck at it cuz its not that easy.
@@vedantgupta2145 "People do not suck at support, people cba playing it well since no one appriciates what they do. Period."
No this literally implies "people don't want to be good at a role, because we don't get praised enough". Yes support isn't easy, but saying it's because we're not appreciated enough is ridiculous, because when I play damn well you bet people appreciate the living fuck out of me, but when I play badly? ofc no one is going to appreciate a bad support. Likewise with my adc's, if my adc plays like a god, I'm going to call them one.
Support as a whole isn't a hard role to play, but it is a hard role to play effectively and well.
@@chase6943 do not need constant stroking on my ego tellin me , you are such a good boy, but at times when i pull out a good play and save people from gatea of hell, fuck yea - some appriciation would be good. How many times id seen people praised adc or some other role mopping up, while you actually saving their ass multiple times, them litteraly clicking rightclick and bam...adc god! Hilarious. The plain fact he would be dead 10 times without yor care and spoonfeeding him yet he behaves like dont exist or treats you poorly. Did i mention kill steals? Wtf is that? Should i rather be inactive and let enemy flee, the called noob or some other great example or ks then being kill stealer.
This role is the most non respected role in the game. You can play you ass of and there are rare those that value what you actually do. Majority of people who play league do not even understand the basic concept, just want to murder the most and then boost their ego after. Game looks simple but its far from it. Like chess but with 5 people.
@@chase6943 Facts
As a support what is the best way to help a jungler who is literally getting gapped by another jungler other than warding and pinging enemy jg positions/ roams
I main Thresh and Braum and i really have issues with the adc that just want to go in every freaking time they see an enemy, even when we don't have full vision at the moment, they just want to go in with nothing and then die, blaming me
11:53 Didn't expected dat!
Very nice support the support we all need them❤❤❤
I feel like the only league player in the world who genuinely doesn’t care to look at “pro players”. I’m not here to stress out about every possible intricacy. I’m here to have fun.
I was not very hard stuck sup, but it was still very useful 👌 👍
i needed this 2h ago...
what am i supposed to do when the enemy thresh/nau/blitz catches my adc and killing him and make him lose many farm & exp, should i stay in lane or leave?? last game i was playing karma & kaisa VS thresh & varus and my kaisa was like 0/5 in minute 8. with a low farm of course
''The gold elo player doesn't care or doesn't know.'' Well no shit he's gold for a reason. For a channel that preaches about learning you're not doing a very good job of accepting different skill levels.
That's the main issue with videos like this, they teach you techniques that are only applicable to high elo play. If you even try doing this stuff in bronze or silver, you will get spam-pinged by your adc who will then proceed to flame and feed because they think you are trolling.
3 minutes in and this guide says absolutely nothing so far, amazing content.
The amount of times i played nami and hit every ability and used exhaust and did everything i can while my adc walks into a stun or fights something they cant win and then ping me why i didnt do anything while im sitting there after hitting q and ult, healing, exhausting and enchanting after pinging them back...then they ask why i even play nami without lucian adcs as if nami would be a bad support
Learning wave control as a support is all well and good until you get an adc who literally perma-pushes the waves no matter what, with no regard for the enemy teamcomp or state of the game. At that point there is nothing the support player can do except do their best to ward for ganks and pray they don't get camped.
On top of that, adcs that don't shove the lane and keep the enemy bot and sup close to tower apparently means nothing to junglers. Countless games our lane was shoved and jg never came bot to get free ganks and gold
@@joshuacox5817 I don't mind that too much as long as the jungler is making plays in the other lanes. Like it or not there are often lane match-ups in top and mid that are more impactful than anything happening in the bot lane.
@@TheMidnightillusion nah see, the junglers I get ignore our shoved lane, then camp other lanes for players that can't or don't do anything with their lead, or feed.
@@joshuacox5817 That can happen, but is that the jungler's fault? Assuming everyone on the team are complete strangers, the jungle has no idea which lane will carry when given a lead. The only thing they can do is pick the lane that they believe has the best chance of carrying and hope the player can use that lead.
@@TheMidnightillusion yes it is the junglers fault when ignoring opportunities for ganks and trying to help losing lanes. Yes.
There are literally junglers ive seen multiple times walk in to enemy vision then try to sneak drag without ganking a lane first then giving drag to enemy team.
As a Toplane Main i mastered this, i just wanted to know how to play fights and what to do in the midgame :c. Title baited me hard, its just another wavecontrol one
I remember that one rank game where I accidentally hit the minions instead of the enemy champs since i used sona's Q and immediately my adc spammed me with the ? ping and saying he lost his momentum or something lmao so I just muted the varus and somehow we won and I got an S+ and apparently my adc was shitting on my other teammates too lol
Wave control, the lane.
Haha so true 😂
2:30 Min.: Im a Seraphine OTP and nope you CAN impakt the wave! XD I do this many times and touches the wave. Many ADCs hates it if i manipulate there wave but i dont care. Im just is to carry there game not take care over how they FEEL.
6:40 Min.: Is she dump? Why help she not crash it? Many adcs tilt if i touch the wave and i allways say them: "We needs to crash. Im not your mom. Your feelings arent importent for me. I wants to win this with you. Be a mature adult and chill your b@lls. ty." Or somthing like this.
7:54 Min.: Oh so is this called what i do realy often. "draging"
3:16 "your adc was fine"
*Thats where youre wrong kid*
Yeah. I def suck as support then despite playing support 90% of the time. The only thing in my head is trying to prevent ally turrets from taking damage as much as possible and try to damage enemy's turret as much as possible
I had to stop playing support because literally LATE GAME at the enemies outer base turrents my laner pinged me a bunch and said reported because i was helping push the wave so we could get the turrent XD. Also low elo adcs ive been getting wont let me leave lane to ward then ping my wards and baby rage. Had a adc walk under enemy turrent and die while i was warding cuz the enemy jungle showed mid and was coming botside
Didn't expect ezreal teaching me how to play supp xd
Omg i do this roam thing you explained and my adc always spam pings me also if I touch the wave at all I almost always get pinged also even if they’re way too far coming from base and I just get the last hit for the gold??!!! Why are they so crazy
I want Watcher to get in contact with Greg and Dana Newkirk, to have Shane and Ryan look into the Dark Mirror. Jeff Goldblum allegedly cried after looking in it and seeing his deceased brother. Theyre also two of them most knowledgable and reputable paranormal investigators imo.
The video is selling their course more than explaining the tactics
Then as you freeze the minion wave your ADC gets 2 out of the 12 possible CS.
i'm still new to the game entirely but i just get yelled at if i kill minions so i'd do the same as nami and just watch (or use abilities towards the enemies if their in lane)