As of yesterday, I have completed the Switch remake of The Thousand-Year Door and wow... *THERE IS A LOT* that would've been good for this video 😵 At 17:11, I mention the Bob-omb in Podley's place. His dialogue changes every chapter, and he gives lots of insight on Bob-omb explosions. Comparing them to throwing punches, etc. In Chapter 3, you fight Bob-ombs with standard factory designs in the Glitz Pit. They can explode and will appear back in the ring after the battle. In Chapter 7, there's the whole cannon firing scene, and all those Bombs survive. And furthermore, if you come back and talk to one of the Bob-ombs later, he jokes that the bombs were hurt from the cannon, then clarifies that literally all of the Bob-ombs are fine, except for one, who doesn't like exploding. Basically ALL of TTYD supports that Bob-ombs survive explosions. There's a lot of Bob-omb lore in the game, and for all of it to be suddenly retconned due to Origami King feels off to me. In the TTYD remake, Bub's fuse lights when he's excited. This isn't the only game where this happens though. In Minion Quest, this is also true of Bob-ombs in Bowser's army. There's one Bob-omb in particular that has his fuse constantly lit during the Cutie Contest segment in Gwarhar Lagoon. I believe others do it later in the game, but that's just the easiest example. I highly recommend talking to the Bob-ombs in TTYD if you play through it anytime soon. There's so much random lore and fun ideas.
I feel like the origami king was built around the out cry of fans, slightly poking fun at them. Ollie was a guy that HATED toads, saw them all as the same and wanted them all silenced. Fans were saying that all the toads were the same boring design, and of course, that toads voice is annoying. I feel the origami king was trying to push past the weird limitations set by Nintendo (or the director, I don't remember) and actually built an entire story revolved around these generic people, showing they all still had lives to live and stories to tell. It was a neat thing to do, though I am glad that we might be going back to the era of interesting character design and normal paper Mario mechanics.
Origami King even tried to deconstruct the reviled Things from the prior two games, where real world objects were the be all end all puzzle solvers, by making regular office supplies into bosses, turning the tables Like, yeah, a pair of scissors would act all high and mighty in a world of paper It did try, but it still feels like it was held back in one way or another
The thing about Olly hating all toads always makes me so mad. from what I've seen, that's mostly a construction by the localizers, where in the original Japanese version, he hates toads because they vaguely remind him of the Craftsman, who he really strongly hates, and not because they all look the same the localizers somehow managed to make olly's motivation so much worse while insulting so many fans, wow
@@darxoonsdfsdf8687"If you've seen one Toad, you've seen them all!" He says that because the Origami Craftsman was a Toad, and he judged all the Toads off of the action of one, not because of him not liking how they look similar???
I don't care what anybody else says, Bobby is one of the best partners to ever grace the Paper Mario series. It is impossible to change my mind on this. Great work on the video!
This is an amazing video omg! Awesome work! Really love how in depth you went on bobby and actually learned some stuff from this. Also bro that japanese guy's reaction to seeing the bob omb killed me omg.
I think Bob-Ombs can control the strength of their explosions, so a tiny explosions would be like a sting to them, while a boulder-destroying explosion like Bobby’s would most likely end him.
Either that, or another theory I heard, is that there may be two kinds of bob-ombs, special models that can explode multiple times, and mass produced, which can probably only do it once before being destroyed.
There's actually a throwaway line spoken by one of the NPCs in Fahr Outpost of the Thousand Year Door where one of them mentions that all of the bomb ombs like exploding--except for one, because it hurts him. Implying it doesn't hurt for most of them.
Bowser‘s minions and Bowser juniors journey are so underrated. Especially jrs journey. The story of that game is the best Mario story we have gotten since super paper Mario and the story is genuinely better than the main games story
Great video, always happy to see some Origami king appreciation, genuinely love that game so much. Though fan theories like wondering why Bobby died are fun, I do think it was just because Mario's cannon is fairly loose and the writers don't feel obliged to stick to it rigidly. This was the story they wanted to tell so they simply chose to go against what has been established before.
I also just would think that the idea that the Bob-ombs produced by Bowser are as stated meant to be short-lived. Purely used for to blow up and be replaced by the next batch. Like, the Bob-ombs Bowser uses for Inside Story, we don't k own if those are the same Bob-ombs. They just explode. I would think they served their purpose and when he does another attack with Bob-ombs, he just has another batch. Makes sense.
@@AuraNova26 Bowser's Castle had been taken over by Fawful, so he had no access to his army. He saved a small group of Bob-ombs that were trapped in a cage, and those are the bombs he uses in his Bob-omb Blitz attack. I don't think it's likely that he suddenly was able to use more of his Bob-ombs. Just like he doesn't get any more goombas, koopas, etc for his other attacks.
You could also argue that bowser just has an infinite supply of bob-ombs because gameplay though Like, when mario and luigi uses snack basket, where does the infinite supply of food comes from?
Man, Bobby... I originally got TOK when I was away from home for 2 weeks on a work thing. I was a bit homesick and wanted something somewhat familiar. I grew up with TTYD, but this was in 2021 way before we knew of the remake. So I got TOK as it looked fun. I cried so bad for Bobby when he died. Whether that was because I was homesick or because of his writing, I'll never tell, but I did love Bobby's story.
This is an expanded remake of a video I released in January 2022. The original video had less than 400 views over the course of the year and a half I had it public. If you've seen the original video, there is a lot of new content included in this remake, so you should still watch it! The original video was one of my favorite videos that I ever made for my channel. It was the first well-edited video of mine, and even though it's pretty rough now, I was very proud of it, and I was quite excited while making it too. You can watch the original video here, but it has content that is basically identical to stuff in the new one: th-cam.com/video/IioCRRFknq4/w-d-xo.html But in that original video, I featured a TH-camr that I wasn't friends with. I knew her for years (she was on my Discord server) and I included her out of obligation. It was disappointing to put so much effort into a video like that, and then have to include memes and advertisements I didn't like. I should've stood up for myself and backed out, but I promised I would include her early on, so I kept my word. She didn't force me to include her. Furthermore, I do not wish to associate with her anymore. I do not have any beef with her personally. We did ban her from my Discord Server for repeatedly acting obnoxious though. However, I did find out about some pretty bad things she had done elsewhere, and I don't want to be associated with someone like that. I don't want any drama on my channel, so I won't go into detail. But I felt obligated to bring it up. Please do not discuss this in the comments section. I would like to move on from all of this. Anyway, the primary catalyst for making this remake was so I could remove the collaboration. But more important to me was going over the "Why does Bobby die?" question, which I promised as a separate video way back in the original. I also discovered other details about the nature of Bob-ombs that I wanted to share. I treated this video almost like a reboot. I put a lot of effort into creating a visual style that I can continue using in my future videos. I put a lot of time and love into this.
4:22 I knew what was going to happen..I thought I was ready for it, but I wasn't, I dropped the controller at this point, and in my head I screamed BOBBY NOOOOOOOOOO! I stood there for a solid ten minutes, Ive had experienced my share of game character sacrifices, but this one, nearly broke me.
This game made me adore simple things, simple characters, everything simple. Simple stories, simple tropes, everything simple. It has helped me appreciate fiction more for what it is no matter how much tropes and cliches it used, made me stop being a critic and hate people take everything so seriously and more. Bobby truly is the best character that they have done in the Mario universe and I honestly love that Bobby also represents a concept about life and why we should treasure it, same thing with Olly and Olivia.
I'm just hoping for some sort of compromise. Like, maybe we can at least see some of the more obscure mario enemies and characters appear in paper mario. I would honestly love to see spindrifts (mario 64), Rexes (Super mario world) and cataquacks (sunshine) make a comeback. Or especially some wonder enemies migrating to the mushroom kingdom Or at most, maybe way more variations on the things we do have. If we can put costumes on toads, we can surely at least get at least a hat on some of the partners. Just thinking realistic here while being hopeful. I mean, we did get a faithful ttyd remake, so anything is possible for paper mario at this point.
I personally like it when they have a variety between generic designs mingling with unique models, but I'd rather the series not try to rely on making the paper mario universe look exactly like the mainline games, it ruins the unique feel of that spin off series...at least in my opinion.
I think that the reason Bobby dies from the explosion is because the original PM games are very different from the new ones. Its probably different timelines, thus Bobobms survive explosions in the old games, and die in the new ones.
A theory I have is when a Bob-omb is missing a key component, they will actually not recover from blowing up, meaning they will need to properly replace it in order to actually survive blowing up, that is why we see custom keys in the other games, and why Bobby didn’t survive, it was a improper replacement
"Bobby please, let me help you readjust your fuse" "No Mario, there's no time, Olivia doesn't have much time left" "NO BOBBY IT'LL TAKE 2 SECONDS" "GOODBYE MARIO"
my theory for him surviving is that origami king (and color splash) take place in an alternate universe from the first 3 paper mario games so the rules are different the size theory is the next best guess
I actually think that Bob-ombs should die when they explode. It would give the story more impact. Plus it'd be nice to see some variety in their abilities rather than just being a clone of Bombette. A Bob-omb with a sword perhaps?
Maybe instead of having the next Bob-omb partner wield a massive two-hander sword, we instead give them something a bit more manageable with a fuse? Something that’s on a string, like a mace.. Heck, what if there was a Bob-omb who uses a long fuse to flail themselves into enemies AS a mace? That’d be dope!
The problem with Bobbys sacrifice for me is just the fact that the other bob-omb partners always come back from their explosion. So when it happened, I thought it was gonna be a joke where he thinks he's sacrificing himself, but he's perfectly fine. And when he didn't come back, I was just like "Why is he the only bob-omb to not come back? That's dumb. " so it had less of an emotional impact for me
When people bring up “oh but bob ombs didn’t die when they were in the canon” Yeah…That was 100 Bob ombs in 1 space together Bobby needed a strong explosion to break a huge boulder with no cracks all by himself, He had no team to work with unlike them He literally put all power he could to break that while the others wouldn’t need such strong power
I always thought the reason Bobby dies upon exploding is because he is a factory bob-omb not organic like Mario's past partners. Thats why the bomb-ombs you fight in the games don't come back.
This is addressed in the video, there are no organic Bob-ombs, they all come from factories and factory Bob-ombs survive explosions in all other games.
Only thing that would make me kind of doubt the durability theory is the fact that Admiral Bobbery is literally one of the tankiest party members in the entire game.
There was a very poignant meme on /v/ comparing “Me? Well… I’m Bob-omb” vs how TTYD would have handled Bobby giving him a cowboy hat and saying “well, nice ta meet ye, Mario. was havin' a Chuckola with a pal o' mine back in Rogueport the other day. was ramblin' on about one of his seadog pals named Mario. Me? I'm Bombo. Hopin' ta start a new life of Whacka ranchin' over in Dry Dry Desert.” I also have some contrasting Bobby and Bobbery in the swole doge/cheems and the Chad/Virgin format. I think Bobby was written way better. I used to be dead set on wanting more imaginative variations of classic Mario species, I didn’t even like Super Paper Mario because the Pixls were so one note. I’m happy for you all that Nintendo acknowledged the poll that uniquely designed party members are desired, I would’ve wanted that too. But after the Origami King, I just appreciate the notion that you don’t have to stick out from the crowd visually to still be an individual. Your personality is more than your design gimmick and short recruitment arc. I trust Intelligent Systems to strike a reasonable balance, but my tastes have been overwritten by Bobby.
@@السراقالمجهول ye, “I’m never sailing again” reads letter “gimme a minute” cries “okay I’m better now let’s hit the ocean old chap” I wasn’t used to seeing tearjerkers in Mario when I played TTYD but it’s like a nothing burger compared to the development they give Bobby.
@@zachl3330 i mean why stretch it for longer than it needs, the guys wife died when he was in the sea, he couldnt even be there with her so he hates to sail because of regret, now that after you give his wife letter telling him that she wants him to continue sailing he know is fulfilling her death wish by doing what he loves, he just took a moment remembering her then he started the next chapter of his life, keep in mind they had like 10 minutes to build his backstory as oppose to 3 hours, and the neat thing is that when youre on the island he drinks to cope with the loss of his wife showing that he aint over it yet
You don’t have to stretch it out to give him a little more dimension. Bobbery gets half of chapter 5, it’s sad and he copes, and then we learn he’s been to Fahr Outpost - and that’s all we get. I would say he’s one of the less fleshed out characters in TTYD. Bobby gets more screen time so it’s only natural he got fleshed out more. It’s ultimately a matter of preference, I can understand liking Bobbery, I definitely did, but I would take fewer partners with longer arcs than a big crew of once and done’ers
8:07 Just wanted to point out that your translation is correct. でも(de-mo) is "But" //I don't know what the text was prior to this statement, but when you begin a sentence with this, its basically calling into question whatever you had stated prior...just like the way we use "but" in English あなた(a-na-ta) is a formal version of "You." A term you would use for a person you don't know well. When you add のこと(no ko-to) to it, あなたのこと, you're basically saying "everything about you"...or rather, "everything that is associated with you" 何となく(nan-to-na-ku) means "For some reason" おぼえているような(o-bo-e-te-i-ru yo-u na) is a bit more tricky to breakdown. The first part, おぼえている is a conjugated form of the verb おぼえる[覚える](o-bo-e-ru), which can mean "to remember." To make a verb like this an 'active' term, as in it is something currently happening, you conjugate it by replacing the る with て, and adding いる behind that. ような is the tricky part, as it is a way to same some seems "like" something. Putting it behind a continuous state of remembering, a literal translation would be "It's like I'm remembering ___." Its safe to say that there is no direct translation for what he's trying to say, but that's as close of a translation I can offer. なんで(na-n-de) is "Why," followed by a sentence ender だろう(da-ro-u), which is a way to express one's unsurety about the statement they are making. DeepL is pretty good with translations, and it did you well this time. This concludes my Japanese lesson (I've been learning it on the side the past couple of years. I don't know everything, but I know some things :P)
I believe that the line preceding that one is the one later in the video where, from my translation, it said "[Bob-ombs] are all the same, it's easy to make a mistake" I actually translated the full scene over a year ago, and I just grabbed the relevant quotes for this video. From what I saw, it went like this: context: (Olivia is bewildered at there being multiple Bobbies since she thought he exploded.) The Bob-omb asks if she has him confused for another Bob-omb, then says [Bob-ombs] are all the same so it's easy to make that mistake, then says the "I seem to remember you" line. Really glad to hear that the first translation I included is fairly accurate! I was worried that it was off, but I figured that, even if it _was_ off, the statement was simple enough to still imply reincarnation either way. Glad that was the case. And thank you for sharing!
i honestly hated him when i first met him, but over time he grew on me and by the time he died i was so attached i couldnt play the game for like 3 days straight
I'm not sure if the size explosion theory works when you consider generic bob-ombs you fight though Even in TTYD enemy bob-ombs you fight very much blow themselves up, while bobbery using a clearly larger explosion can do it just fine. Plus you could always argue that paper bob-ombs and non paper ones operate on different logic (Also hold up Bombette's group don't have fuses too. Huh.)
I think my retort would be Chapter 7 and the Glitz Pit. Both feature Bob-ombs exploding and surviving. Glitz Pit Bob-ombs act identically to enemy Bob-ombs iirc, yet they obviously survive. The Fahr Outpost Bob-ombs also survive exploding, and one even mentions how Bob-ombs like exploding and that only 1 of the bombs got hurt during the firing of the cannon.
@@DaNintendude I remember someone's reasoning on this weighing in on the fact that some Bob-ombs are factory produced and some are "natural," E.g the ones we see in towns. The natural ones are able to explode and survive afterwards, like electrode, while the factory produced ones are more like sentient bombs and thus lack whatever feature keeps the natural ones from death upon an explosion.
[ SPOILERS ] "Although my life was short, you gave me more than a lifetime's worth of joy. Though you will mourn, I beg that you remember that time, like love, is a tide." - Scarlette, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door Ah... I think I just realized another reason they had a reference to Admiral Bobbery on 'The Princess Peach' cruiseliner in Origami King... You know what adds to all this- Later, watching Bowser Jr. nearly get killed getting cut in half by Scissors, it- It hits. After moments like this, you for a second hold your breath. Especially where throughout this game Bowser talks about fatherhood and the joys of raising a child. Like- Mario just has to keep seeing terrible things happen and persevere. The Paper Mario games even in the lesser-liked games still have those themes of friendship and love and tragedy and sacrifice.
I think the problem is with the story of these modern paper mario games is that yes the older games were godly in both the story and gameplay, people are so hellbent over nostalgia they disregard the better things about these games. Like imagine if we had the mechanics and and gameplay of the two og games, the dark yet profound storytelling of super paper mario, and the beauty and environment of the new ones.
i mean i would gladly compromise the environment of the new games because the older ones were pretty good tho, may i add they were more unique too for an actual good game so what are we gaining exactly from this new games?
@@السراقالمجهول right I do agree with you however I think it would be cool to have that character from the old ones and had the expanded depth of the new ones just a little more to do and explore
@@Otherfile besides bobby and maybe olivia which new character had this level of expanded depth? i would argue it was more of a staple in the older games than the new ones, in the new ones its more of an exception
@@Otherfile eh, i think thats the one point where every game except sticker star did good/great job, but the og games get the edge since the characters have unique designs, the dialogue itself is solid across all games except sticker star
Bobby's insignificance would have been more siginficant within a game that doesn't treat every NPC as generic. Unfortunately, the premise of acknowledging Bobby as an individual, despite his lack of outstanding qualities, rang hollow in a game that lacks any outstanding characters.
It’s kind of weird that they change the rules about how the bob-ombs work unless there’s supposed to be a distinction between the enemy variety and the civilian variety
Perhaps there is a difference, between specialized models, and mass produced models, Perhaps the unique models are designed to be able to survive their explosions compared to the more instant models.
i think that the reason bobby dies is because the devs just didn't put any care into it before. look at the classics. the rules on bob-ombs are very inconsistent. some come back after exploding, others (enemy bob-ombs) are gone forever. they explode and that's that. "but the glitz pit bob-ombs-" they most likely just picked some random enemies to use, and thought bob-ombs would be nice. they didn't look 16 years into the future, i think
I would argue that enemies that "die" without coming back are just knocked out. They don't actually die. It's just a gameplay decision to have Bob-ombs and other enemies disappear after defeat
I believe the reason why he looks generic and why he doesn’t survive exploding is because he was most likely meant to be expendable, he wasn’t made to be *person* like the other bob-omb partners, he was made to hit an opposing force and explode, that’s why he also didn’t have a name. He wasn’t a person to his creator, he was *ammunition*
this is just copium, its obviously the restrictions weve been hearing about for a while now, tho they did make the best of what they had with this character
I think it would be a bit strange if bobombs where not very durable, as any partner can technically be present in most cutscenes after they join the party, both in non related cutscenes, and sone cutscenes with bobbery naturally in them, he takes quite alot of damage, i mean. He can survive being shot out pf a cannon, and into the moon. That does not exactly scream fragile to me.
First, I drew up all the different frames of the dance, then created the animation synced up to the actual dance from Origami King. I used After Effects, but I imagine this first part would be possible in any animations software. Then I pre-composed the animation and added movement. And I stretched the height at specific points to give it some bounce. I pre-composed that and threw it into a new composition. I then created the floor-- a flat circle with faded edges and a repeating dot pattern. I brought it into the After Effects composition and t urned that into a 3D object, so I could lay it flat to act as the ground. I turned the dancing animation into a 3D object as well, so I could line it up in the center. The shadow and reflection are just duplicates of the animation, but laid flat above the floor. I just messed around with the opacity, made the shadow fully black, and made the reflection blurry. Finally, I created camera movements to roughly simulate the vibe of the original Origami King dance. I added some very simple lighting, and added a vignette effect after rendering and exporting. TL;DR I created the dance sprites and did the animating in After Effects. Took around 8-10 hours altogether, if I recall correctly.
I actually made a test run of the dance a few weeks ago to see if it was feasible. Wanted to see if I could make the camera movements work. It's my last video, titled "Your patience will be rewarded"
10:45 I think this seriously undercuts all the fun and interesting stories and dialogue that those partners had. Especially in TTYD, Bobberys' backstory is such a good one in that game. I'd say this better applies to the pixis of Super Paper Mario that have absolutely no dialogue or significance past obtaining them.
All the TTYD characters have great introductions, and characters like Koops, Bobbery, and Vivian are important to large portions of their chapters. But when is Bobbery important after Chapter 5? When is Koops important after Chapter 1? The partners in TTYD have great introductions, but then fall back to being someone you only pull out when you need to use their ability. I'd argue that Ms. Mowz is arguably a more impactful partner than Flurrie, depending on the player. Mowz is a recurring NPC throughout the story. Even if you don't unlock her on your save file, you're still gonna remember her as that badge thief that appeared across the earlier chapters of the game. I do think my wording was a bit harsh. I think TTYD's partners are really well done. Especially considering their unique flavor text, which was lacking for PM64's partners. But I would love for partners to be more involved after their chapter of introduction. And characters like Flurrie could've used even more relevance throughout her _own_ chapter. Unless you're using Flurrie for battles, you only really need her for about 4(?) puzzles in the Great Tree (two of them, optional). The Origami King partners were heavily involved with the plot of each chapter, and while I don't think that's feasible with the classic partner system, they can certainly be more involved.
@DaNintendude I want to be clear here, I agree with your opinion that partners should have more story significance throughout the game. Similar to how Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser were in Super. Also, Bobbery arguably has some importance in Chapter 7 since it's his actions that led to you being able to use the cannon in the first place. Also, you do need Flurrie for a lot of secrets throughout the game, and she's consistently used in her chapter in conjunction with the punies. I do understand what you mean, I just think the way you portrayed the partners of the classic games was a bit unfair to them. That's just my opinion though.
So the Japanese text implies that Olivia was right about that being Bobby. Though dang poor guy. He exploded so hard that he can barely remember Olivia. I do wonder how the soul transfer process even works though since the Japanese text clearly implies that is Bobby in a new body.
Well mario needs a Lot of Money To Buy expenisve Rock exploding Tools but since they got sold out well you only had the only hope you got which is Bobombby
ngl tok was just baiting the whole way throughout reveal to release if they just made the characters unique looking npcs and kept exp i think we woudlve had a banger in our hands but as is i think this is the most frustrating paper mario game
Thank you for your honest feedback, I'll aim to do better in future videos. I agree that the video is structured poorly. I tried to do my best to mend it, but it was based on an earlier video. So hopefully I won't have that problem again. I also need to rethink how I'd structure theory talks in the future. I brought up every theory I could so I could address the problems with each. I was definitely a little too harsh, though, especially with my graphic, which I will be revising. However, I've found in the past that if I'm not blunt about my thoughts on the "wrong" theories, people get the wrong takeaway from them. For this video, I just had to hope people would realize they could still believe whatever they want while understanding why I think they're unlikely.
6:13 Incorrect. I played through this entire game and beat it a few days before it officially came out (shoutouts to hacked switches and leaked nsps), and "Bobby" only left one impact from me: the bullshit asspull that was him dying after exploding. It showed me that the Paper Mario devs during that day and age can't even follow the structure they've shown time and time, a race trait of bob-ombs specifically being that they don't die after exploding, then just breaking their own rule for the sake of "memorability" (convenience because they didn't want to implement a proper partner system and make a good battle system which actually utilized them.) When you make already make two games in the series and establish a fundamental idea (Bombette and Bobbery exploding and it NOT killing them), breaking it without rhyme or reason is horrible writing, and horrible worldbuilding in general.
Absolutely fair point. That's part of what I meant about the "very idea of Bobby being offensive to some" I know a lot of people who similarly hate Bobby because the developers just did not think him out well
I think Bob-Ombs can control the strength of their explosions, so a tiny explosions would be like a sting to them, while a boulder-destroying explosion like Bobby’s would most likely end him.
It would also make sense for things such as the Fahr Outpost cannon launch, which needed hundreds of Bob-Ombs to explode just to reach space. A load of Bob-Ombs all doing tiny explosions that they can easily recover from rather than a couple or Bob-Ombs producing large, much more life-threatening explosions
As of yesterday, I have completed the Switch remake of The Thousand-Year Door and wow...
*THERE IS A LOT* that would've been good for this video 😵
At 17:11, I mention the Bob-omb in Podley's place. His dialogue changes every chapter, and he gives lots of insight on Bob-omb explosions. Comparing them to throwing punches, etc.
In Chapter 3, you fight Bob-ombs with standard factory designs in the Glitz Pit. They can explode and will appear back in the ring after the battle.
In Chapter 7, there's the whole cannon firing scene, and all those Bombs survive. And furthermore, if you come back and talk to one of the Bob-ombs later, he jokes that the bombs were hurt from the cannon, then clarifies that literally all of the Bob-ombs are fine, except for one, who doesn't like exploding.
Basically ALL of TTYD supports that Bob-ombs survive explosions. There's a lot of Bob-omb lore in the game, and for all of it to be suddenly retconned due to Origami King feels off to me.
In the TTYD remake, Bub's fuse lights when he's excited. This isn't the only game where this happens though. In Minion Quest, this is also true of Bob-ombs in Bowser's army. There's one Bob-omb in particular that has his fuse constantly lit during the Cutie Contest segment in Gwarhar Lagoon. I believe others do it later in the game, but that's just the easiest example.
I highly recommend talking to the Bob-ombs in TTYD if you play through it anytime soon. There's so much random lore and fun ideas.
I like how they managed to make Bobby feel so unique despite literally just being a bob-bomb without a fuse.
Honestly, whenever I first played this game, I loved Bobby. I never found him annoying, and I genuinely cried when he died.
Same i got spoiled on his death by youtube and cried when i watched the video and played the game
Everyone who played or has seen it had to of cried...
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I feel like the origami king was built around the out cry of fans, slightly poking fun at them.
Ollie was a guy that HATED toads, saw them all as the same and wanted them all silenced.
Fans were saying that all the toads were the same boring design, and of course, that toads voice is annoying.
I feel the origami king was trying to push past the weird limitations set by Nintendo (or the director, I don't remember) and actually built an entire story revolved around these generic people, showing they all still had lives to live and stories to tell.
It was a neat thing to do, though I am glad that we might be going back to the era of interesting character design and normal paper Mario mechanics.
Origami King even tried to deconstruct the reviled Things from the prior two games, where real world objects were the be all end all puzzle solvers, by making regular office supplies into bosses, turning the tables
Like, yeah, a pair of scissors would act all high and mighty in a world of paper
It did try, but it still feels like it was held back in one way or another
@@VerkatosEnsei Agreed.
The thing about Olly hating all toads always makes me so mad.
from what I've seen, that's mostly a construction by the localizers, where in the original Japanese version, he hates toads because they vaguely remind him of the Craftsman, who he really strongly hates, and not because they all look the same
the localizers somehow managed to make olly's motivation so much worse while insulting so many fans, wow
@@darxoonsdfsdf8687"If you've seen one Toad, you've seen them all!" He says that because the Origami Craftsman was a Toad, and he judged all the Toads off of the action of one, not because of him not liking how they look similar???
R.I.P. Bobby
Bobby is my favorite character in the entire Mario franchise, so I immediately knew I had to give this video a watch when I saw it!
dude, it's so weird. This video was scarily Perfect timing for me, as literally a couple days ago I was looking up videos of Bobby story arcs
Me too lmao we love bobby
I don't care what anybody else says, Bobby is one of the best partners to ever grace the Paper Mario series. It is impossible to change my mind on this. Great work on the video!
This is an amazing video omg! Awesome work! Really love how in depth you went on bobby and actually learned some stuff from this.
Also bro that japanese guy's reaction to seeing the bob omb killed me omg.
I think Bob-Ombs can control the strength of their explosions, so a tiny explosions would be like a sting to them, while a boulder-destroying explosion like Bobby’s would most likely end him.
Either that, or another theory I heard, is that there may be two kinds of bob-ombs, special models that can explode multiple times, and mass produced, which can probably only do it once before being destroyed.
@@joshcoy6748 That was addressed in the video, with the point that "mass-produced" still don't die.
@@johnathonturner2279 oh.
There's actually a throwaway line spoken by one of the NPCs in Fahr Outpost of the Thousand Year Door where one of them mentions that all of the bomb ombs like exploding--except for one, because it hurts him.
Implying it doesn't hurt for most of them.
Bowser‘s minions and Bowser juniors journey are so underrated. Especially jrs journey. The story of that game is the best Mario story we have gotten since super paper Mario and the story is genuinely better than the main games story
You say that like Bowser's Inside Story's... well, story, is bad
@@Goomba1309 it’s definitely not. The story of Bowser’s inside story is good. I just think the side mode has a bit of more of a better story
Great video, always happy to see some Origami king appreciation, genuinely love that game so much.
Though fan theories like wondering why Bobby died are fun, I do think it was just because Mario's cannon is fairly loose and the writers don't feel obliged to stick to it rigidly. This was the story they wanted to tell so they simply chose to go against what has been established before.
I also just would think that the idea that the Bob-ombs produced by Bowser are as stated meant to be short-lived. Purely used for to blow up and be replaced by the next batch. Like, the Bob-ombs Bowser uses for Inside Story, we don't k own if those are the same Bob-ombs. They just explode. I would think they served their purpose and when he does another attack with Bob-ombs, he just has another batch. Makes sense.
@@AuraNova26 Bowser's Castle had been taken over by Fawful, so he had no access to his army.
He saved a small group of Bob-ombs that were trapped in a cage, and those are the bombs he uses in his Bob-omb Blitz attack. I don't think it's likely that he suddenly was able to use more of his Bob-ombs. Just like he doesn't get any more goombas, koopas, etc for his other attacks.
@@DaNintendude Yeah that makes sense. In BIS Bowser doesn't have access to his usual resources.
@@DaNintendude Ah, thank you for this clarification.
You could also argue that bowser just has an infinite supply of bob-ombs because gameplay though
Like, when mario and luigi uses snack basket, where does the infinite supply of food comes from?
Man, Bobby... I originally got TOK when I was away from home for 2 weeks on a work thing. I was a bit homesick and wanted something somewhat familiar. I grew up with TTYD, but this was in 2021 way before we knew of the remake. So I got TOK as it looked fun. I cried so bad for Bobby when he died. Whether that was because I was homesick or because of his writing, I'll never tell, but I did love Bobby's story.
This is an expanded remake of a video I released in January 2022.
The original video had less than 400 views over the course of the year and a half I had it public. If you've seen the original video, there is a lot of new content included in this remake, so you should still watch it!
The original video was one of my favorite videos that I ever made for my channel. It was the first well-edited video of mine, and even though it's pretty rough now, I was very proud of it, and I was quite excited while making it too.
You can watch the original video here, but it has content that is basically identical to stuff in the new one: th-cam.com/video/IioCRRFknq4/w-d-xo.html
But in that original video, I featured a TH-camr that I wasn't friends with. I knew her for years (she was on my Discord server) and I included her out of obligation. It was disappointing to put so much effort into a video like that, and then have to include memes and advertisements I didn't like.
I should've stood up for myself and backed out, but I promised I would include her early on, so I kept my word. She didn't force me to include her.
Furthermore, I do not wish to associate with her anymore. I do not have any beef with her personally. We did ban her from my Discord Server for repeatedly acting obnoxious though.
However, I did find out about some pretty bad things she had done elsewhere, and I don't want to be associated with someone like that.
I don't want any drama on my channel, so I won't go into detail. But I felt obligated to bring it up. Please do not discuss this in the comments section. I would like to move on from all of this.
Anyway, the primary catalyst for making this remake was so I could remove the collaboration. But more important to me was going over the "Why does Bobby die?" question, which I promised as a separate video way back in the original. I also discovered other details about the nature of Bob-ombs that I wanted to share. I treated this video almost like a reboot. I put a lot of effort into creating a visual style that I can continue using in my future videos. I put a lot of time and love into this.
Maybe after the world relive this character back or this kind forest spirits living like fey and possessed another bomb
4:22 I knew what was going to happen..I thought I was ready for it, but I wasn't, I dropped the controller at this point, and in my head I screamed BOBBY NOOOOOOOOOO!
I stood there for a solid ten minutes, Ive had experienced my share of game character sacrifices, but this one, nearly broke me.
This game made me adore simple things, simple characters, everything simple. Simple stories, simple tropes, everything simple. It has helped me appreciate fiction more for what it is no matter how much tropes and cliches it used, made me stop being a critic and hate people take everything so seriously and more. Bobby truly is the best character that they have done in the Mario universe and I honestly love that Bobby also represents a concept about life and why we should treasure it, same thing with Olly and Olivia.
At least they‘ve fully utilized the generic designs, but I still fundamentally disagree with the idea of them, so I‘ve feel kinda torn on this
I'm just hoping for some sort of compromise.
Like, maybe we can at least see some of the more obscure mario enemies and characters appear in paper mario. I would honestly love to see spindrifts (mario 64), Rexes (Super mario world) and cataquacks (sunshine) make a comeback. Or especially some wonder enemies migrating to the mushroom kingdom
Or at most, maybe way more variations on the things we do have. If we can put costumes on toads, we can surely at least get at least a hat on some of the partners.
Just thinking realistic here while being hopeful. I mean, we did get a faithful ttyd remake, so anything is possible for paper mario at this point.
I personally like it when they have a variety between generic designs mingling with unique models, but I'd rather the series not try to rely on making the paper mario universe look exactly like the mainline games, it ruins the unique feel of that spin off series...at least in my opinion.
didn't even knew you had a channel, but i already like the content you make!
9:01 the scream was perfect 😂😂😂
I think that the reason Bobby dies from the explosion is because the original PM games are very different from the new ones. Its probably different timelines, thus Bobobms survive explosions in the old games, and die in the new ones.
A theory I have is when a Bob-omb is missing a key component, they will actually not recover from blowing up, meaning they will need to properly replace it in order to actually survive blowing up, that is why we see custom keys in the other games, and why Bobby didn’t survive, it was a improper replacement
"Bobby please, let me help you readjust your fuse"
"No Mario, there's no time, Olivia doesn't have much time left"
"NO BOBBY IT'LL TAKE 2 SECONDS"
"GOODBYE MARIO"
my theory for him surviving is that origami king (and color splash) take place in an alternate universe from the first 3 paper mario games so the rules are different
the size theory is the next best guess
The game references both modern and classic Paper Mario games, so it seems unlikely that it's a separate universe.
@@DaNintendude"nah you see, modern games mention how they are made out of paper and not the artstyle, so obiously they can never be canon"
Damn, this really puts Bobby in a new light. Such a powerful message he sends to the player...
I actually think that Bob-ombs should die when they explode. It would give the story more impact. Plus it'd be nice to see some variety in their abilities rather than just being a clone of Bombette. A Bob-omb with a sword perhaps?
They don't have hands, they even make joke aboud it with bobby
@@volvoman5262 goombas don't either, yet they can somehow read entire damn books, page flipping and all
Maybe instead of having the next Bob-omb partner wield a massive two-hander sword, we instead give them something a bit more manageable with a fuse? Something that’s on a string, like a mace..
Heck, what if there was a Bob-omb who uses a long fuse to flail themselves into enemies AS a mace? That’d be dope!
@@arekrekas213 just becuase don't have hands that dosen't mean i can't pick up things
@@quotetry8998That fuse mace idea is freaking awesome, I love that
The problem with Bobbys sacrifice for me is just the fact that the other bob-omb partners always come back from their explosion. So when it happened, I thought it was gonna be a joke where he thinks he's sacrificing himself, but he's perfectly fine. And when he didn't come back, I was just like "Why is he the only bob-omb to not come back? That's dumb. " so it had less of an emotional impact for me
When people bring up “oh but bob ombs didn’t die when they were in the canon”
Yeah…That was 100 Bob ombs in 1 space together
Bobby needed a strong explosion to break a huge boulder with no cracks all by himself, He had no team to work with unlike them
He literally put all power he could to break that while the others wouldn’t need such strong power
Bombette and Bobbery exist.
@@the1whoplayzAnd think Bobby has...had a skill issue. 😂
@@the1whoplayz they couldn't blow up a massive durable boulder like that though
I always thought the reason Bobby dies upon exploding is because he is a factory bob-omb not organic like Mario's past partners. Thats why the bomb-ombs you fight in the games don't come back.
This is addressed in the video, there are no organic Bob-ombs, they all come from factories and factory Bob-ombs survive explosions in all other games.
Only thing that would make me kind of doubt the durability theory is the fact that Admiral Bobbery is literally one of the tankiest party members in the entire game.
This video is so amazing. Thank you so much for making it
9:04 That's it, that's all there is to it
I can't believe I got "whop whop whopped" by King Bob-bomb! 😭
Me when Bobby dies:
I’m not crying you’re crying.
There was a very poignant meme on /v/ comparing “Me? Well… I’m Bob-omb” vs how TTYD would have handled Bobby giving him a cowboy hat and saying “well, nice ta meet ye, Mario. was havin' a Chuckola with a pal o' mine back in Rogueport the other day. was ramblin' on about one of his seadog pals named Mario. Me? I'm Bombo. Hopin' ta start a new life of Whacka ranchin' over in Dry Dry Desert.” I also have some contrasting Bobby and Bobbery in the swole doge/cheems and the Chad/Virgin format. I think Bobby was written way better.
I used to be dead set on wanting more imaginative variations of classic Mario species, I didn’t even like Super Paper Mario because the Pixls were so one note.
I’m happy for you all that Nintendo acknowledged the poll that uniquely designed party members are desired, I would’ve wanted that too. But after the Origami King, I just appreciate the notion that you don’t have to stick out from the crowd visually to still be an individual. Your personality is more than your design gimmick and short recruitment arc. I trust Intelligent Systems to strike a reasonable balance, but my tastes have been overwritten by Bobby.
way better than bobbery? cap
@@السراقالمجهول ye, “I’m never sailing again” reads letter “gimme a minute” cries “okay I’m better now let’s hit the ocean old chap”
I wasn’t used to seeing tearjerkers in Mario when I played TTYD but it’s like a nothing burger compared to the development they give Bobby.
@@zachl3330 i mean why stretch it for longer than it needs, the guys wife died when he was in the sea, he couldnt even be there with her so he hates to sail because of regret, now that after you give his wife letter telling him that she wants him to continue sailing he know is fulfilling her death wish by doing what he loves, he just took a moment remembering her then he started the next chapter of his life, keep in mind they had like 10 minutes to build his backstory as oppose to 3 hours, and the neat thing is that when youre on the island he drinks to cope with the loss of his wife showing that he aint over it yet
You don’t have to stretch it out to give him a little more dimension.
Bobbery gets half of chapter 5, it’s sad and he copes, and then we learn he’s been to Fahr Outpost - and that’s all we get. I would say he’s one of the less fleshed out characters in TTYD.
Bobby gets more screen time so it’s only natural he got fleshed out more. It’s ultimately a matter of preference, I can understand liking Bobbery, I definitely did, but I would take fewer partners with longer arcs than a big crew of once and done’ers
@@zachl3330 what about the gameplay aspect? you guys seem to forget that this characters arnt npcs and are actually playable
8:07 Just wanted to point out that your translation is correct.
でも(de-mo) is "But" //I don't know what the text was prior to this statement, but when you begin a sentence with this, its basically calling into question whatever you had stated prior...just like the way we use "but" in English
あなた(a-na-ta) is a formal version of "You." A term you would use for a person you don't know well. When you add のこと(no ko-to) to it, あなたのこと, you're basically saying "everything about you"...or rather, "everything that is associated with you"
何となく(nan-to-na-ku) means "For some reason"
おぼえているような(o-bo-e-te-i-ru yo-u na) is a bit more tricky to breakdown. The first part, おぼえている is a conjugated form of the verb おぼえる[覚える](o-bo-e-ru), which can mean "to remember." To make a verb like this an 'active' term, as in it is something currently happening, you conjugate it by replacing the る with て, and adding いる behind that. ような is the tricky part, as it is a way to same some seems "like" something. Putting it behind a continuous state of remembering, a literal translation would be "It's like I'm remembering ___." Its safe to say that there is no direct translation for what he's trying to say, but that's as close of a translation I can offer.
なんで(na-n-de) is "Why," followed by a sentence ender だろう(da-ro-u), which is a way to express one's unsurety about the statement they are making.
DeepL is pretty good with translations, and it did you well this time.
This concludes my Japanese lesson (I've been learning it on the side the past couple of years. I don't know everything, but I know some things :P)
I believe that the line preceding that one is the one later in the video where, from my translation, it said "[Bob-ombs] are all the same, it's easy to make a mistake"
I actually translated the full scene over a year ago, and I just grabbed the relevant quotes for this video.
From what I saw, it went like this:
context: (Olivia is bewildered at there being multiple Bobbies since she thought he exploded.)
The Bob-omb asks if she has him confused for another Bob-omb,
then says [Bob-ombs] are all the same so it's easy to make that mistake,
then says the "I seem to remember you" line.
Really glad to hear that the first translation I included is fairly accurate! I was worried that it was off, but I figured that, even if it _was_ off, the statement was simple enough to still imply reincarnation either way. Glad that was the case. And thank you for sharing!
i honestly hated him when i first met him, but over time he grew on me and by the time he died i was so attached i couldnt play the game for like 3 days straight
Bobby was pretty much the only part of origami king I actually liked
I'm not sure if the size explosion theory works when you consider generic bob-ombs you fight though
Even in TTYD enemy bob-ombs you fight very much blow themselves up, while bobbery using a clearly larger explosion can do it just fine.
Plus you could always argue that paper bob-ombs and non paper ones operate on different logic
(Also hold up Bombette's group don't have fuses too. Huh.)
I think my retort would be Chapter 7 and the Glitz Pit.
Both feature Bob-ombs exploding and surviving. Glitz Pit Bob-ombs act identically to enemy Bob-ombs iirc, yet they obviously survive.
The Fahr Outpost Bob-ombs also survive exploding, and one even mentions how Bob-ombs like exploding and that only 1 of the bombs got hurt during the firing of the cannon.
@@DaNintendude I remember someone's reasoning on this weighing in on the fact that some Bob-ombs are factory produced and some are "natural," E.g the ones we see in towns. The natural ones are able to explode and survive afterwards, like electrode, while the factory produced ones are more like sentient bombs and thus lack whatever feature keeps the natural ones from death upon an explosion.
@@armaansingh7452there are only factory-produced Bob-ombs, no “natural” ones. The video directly addresses this.
@@seandwalsh3 Whoops. Completely forgot about that part of the video. My bad, thanks Mister.
[ SPOILERS ]
"Although my life was short, you gave me more than a lifetime's worth of joy. Though you will mourn, I beg that you remember that time, like love, is a tide." - Scarlette, Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door
Ah... I think I just realized another reason they had a reference to Admiral Bobbery on 'The Princess Peach' cruiseliner in Origami King...
You know what adds to all this- Later, watching Bowser Jr. nearly get killed getting cut in half by Scissors, it- It hits. After moments like this, you for a second hold your breath. Especially where throughout this game Bowser talks about fatherhood and the joys of raising a child. Like- Mario just has to keep seeing terrible things happen and persevere. The Paper Mario games even in the lesser-liked games still have those themes of friendship and love and tragedy and sacrifice.
I think the problem is with the story of these modern paper mario games is that yes the older games were godly in both the story and gameplay, people are so hellbent over nostalgia they disregard the better things about these games.
Like imagine if we had the mechanics and and gameplay of the two og games, the dark yet profound storytelling of super paper mario, and the beauty and environment of the new ones.
i mean i would gladly compromise the environment of the new games because the older ones were pretty good tho, may i add they were more unique too for an actual good game so what are we gaining exactly from this new games?
@@السراقالمجهول right I do agree with you however I think it would be cool to have that character from the old ones and had the expanded depth of the new ones just a little more to do and explore
@@Otherfile besides bobby and maybe olivia which new character had this level of expanded depth? i would argue it was more of a staple in the older games than the new ones, in the new ones its more of an exception
@@السراقالمجهول i meant character as in environmental character not npc characters but I still agree nonetheless.
@@Otherfile eh, i think thats the one point where every game except sticker star did good/great job, but the og games get the edge since the characters have unique designs, the dialogue itself is solid across all games except sticker star
Bobby's insignificance would have been more siginficant within a game that doesn't treat every NPC as generic. Unfortunately, the premise of acknowledging Bobby as an individual, despite his lack of outstanding qualities, rang hollow in a game that lacks any outstanding characters.
BOBBY VIDEO
Maybe Miuamoto want to make the game realistic so he made bobby gone after he blew up
It’s kind of weird that they change the rules about how the bob-ombs work unless there’s supposed to be a distinction between the enemy variety and the civilian variety
Perhaps there is a difference, between specialized models, and mass produced models, Perhaps the unique models are designed to be able to survive their explosions compared to the more instant models.
@@joshcoy6748we’ve seen mass-produced models explode multiple times. The video directly addresses this.
@@seandwalsh3 I see, I didn't get that far in the video.
i think that the reason bobby dies is because the devs just didn't put any care into it before.
look at the classics. the rules on bob-ombs are very inconsistent. some come back after exploding, others (enemy bob-ombs) are gone forever. they explode and that's that.
"but the glitz pit bob-ombs-"
they most likely just picked some random enemies to use, and thought bob-ombs would be nice. they didn't look 16 years into the future, i think
I would argue that enemies that "die" without coming back are just knocked out.
They don't actually die. It's just a gameplay decision to have Bob-ombs and other enemies disappear after defeat
How do you feel about Bob-ombs?
Hello, it is me, Flurrie
*WRONG*
Just as Bobby, this video left an impact on me. 👍
I believe the reason why he looks generic and why he doesn’t survive exploding is because he was most likely meant to be expendable, he wasn’t made to be *person* like the other bob-omb partners, he was made to hit an opposing force and explode, that’s why he also didn’t have a name.
He wasn’t a person to his creator, he was *ammunition*
All Bob-ombs are ammunition to their creators though, they’re living explosives made in factories.
this is just copium, its obviously the restrictions weve been hearing about for a while now, tho they did make the best of what they had with this character
@@السراقالمجهول yeah I wrote this comment in the middle of the video like an idiot
@@haydenbush8518 i mean that just mean you werent a loser reading every interview with the paper mario team like me back in 2020 lol
I think it would be a bit strange if bobombs where not very durable, as any partner can technically be present in most cutscenes after they join the party, both in non related cutscenes, and sone cutscenes with bobbery naturally in them, he takes quite alot of damage, i mean. He can survive being shot out pf a cannon, and into the moon. That does not exactly scream fragile to me.
I gotta know who where and how that ending dance animation was made, it’s really well done!
Also great video :)
First, I drew up all the different frames of the dance, then created the animation synced up to the actual dance from Origami King. I used After Effects, but I imagine this first part would be possible in any animations software.
Then I pre-composed the animation and added movement. And I stretched the height at specific points to give it some bounce.
I pre-composed that and threw it into a new composition.
I then created the floor-- a flat circle with faded edges and a repeating dot pattern.
I brought it into the After Effects composition and t urned that into a 3D object, so I could lay it flat to act as the ground. I turned the dancing animation into a 3D object as well, so I could line it up in the center.
The shadow and reflection are just duplicates of the animation, but laid flat above the floor. I just messed around with the opacity, made the shadow fully black, and made the reflection blurry.
Finally, I created camera movements to roughly simulate the vibe of the original Origami King dance.
I added some very simple lighting, and added a vignette effect after rendering and exporting.
TL;DR
I created the dance sprites and did the animating in After Effects. Took around 8-10 hours altogether, if I recall correctly.
I actually made a test run of the dance a few weeks ago to see if it was feasible. Wanted to see if I could make the camera movements work.
It's my last video, titled "Your patience will be rewarded"
10:45 I think this seriously undercuts all the fun and interesting stories and dialogue that those partners had. Especially in TTYD, Bobberys' backstory is such a good one in that game. I'd say this better applies to the pixis of Super Paper Mario that have absolutely no dialogue or significance past obtaining them.
All the TTYD characters have great introductions, and characters like Koops, Bobbery, and Vivian are important to large portions of their chapters. But when is Bobbery important after Chapter 5? When is Koops important after Chapter 1?
The partners in TTYD have great introductions, but then fall back to being someone you only pull out when you need to use their ability.
I'd argue that Ms. Mowz is arguably a more impactful partner than Flurrie, depending on the player. Mowz is a recurring NPC throughout the story. Even if you don't unlock her on your save file, you're still gonna remember her as that badge thief that appeared across the earlier chapters of the game.
I do think my wording was a bit harsh. I think TTYD's partners are really well done. Especially considering their unique flavor text, which was lacking for PM64's partners.
But I would love for partners to be more involved after their chapter of introduction. And characters like Flurrie could've used even more relevance throughout her _own_ chapter. Unless you're using Flurrie for battles, you only really need her for about 4(?) puzzles in the Great Tree (two of them, optional).
The Origami King partners were heavily involved with the plot of each chapter, and while I don't think that's feasible with the classic partner system, they can certainly be more involved.
@DaNintendude I want to be clear here, I agree with your opinion that partners should have more story significance throughout the game. Similar to how Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser were in Super. Also, Bobbery arguably has some importance in Chapter 7 since it's his actions that led to you being able to use the cannon in the first place. Also, you do need Flurrie for a lot of secrets throughout the game, and she's consistently used in her chapter in conjunction with the punies. I do understand what you mean, I just think the way you portrayed the partners of the classic games was a bit unfair to them. That's just my opinion though.
@@pokekiller787x Totally fair, and I think I also agree with that.
You know I think how bob ombs live is similar to the Robots Movie
Why are my eyes welling up rn
Great video! I love Bobby :’>
So the Japanese text implies that Olivia was right about that being Bobby. Though dang poor guy. He exploded so hard that he can barely remember Olivia. I do wonder how the soul transfer process even works though since the Japanese text clearly implies that is Bobby in a new body.
I hope theres a game about Paper Cutouts
NOOO IVE BEEN WOP WOP WOPPED
Stop Yelling!
Note: his name actually isn't Bobby, Olivia just calls him that, his name is actually Bob-omb.
Edit: Oh, you mentioned that later, ok.
lol
Well mario needs a Lot of Money To Buy expenisve Rock exploding Tools but since they got sold out well you only had the only hope you got which is Bobombby
Bobby means Bobomb
bobby
Bobby my goat
ngl tok was just baiting the whole way throughout reveal to release
if they just made the characters unique looking npcs and kept exp i think we woudlve had a banger in our hands but as is
i think this is the most frustrating paper mario game
You must be fun at parties
@@gboogie3257 i mean thats just my opinion?
@@السراقالمجهول you must be fun at parties
I spotted that this is a reupload!
An expanded remake, actually 😎
@@DaNintendude Oh nice!
-FOOLBRIGHT!-
chazington?????
Wop wop wop
His name is actually just Bob-omb, but Olivia calls him Bobby.
Bro didn’t watch the video
Haha yes.
you talk a lot in circles and your talk about the theories was very un-constructive.
Thank you for your honest feedback, I'll aim to do better in future videos.
I agree that the video is structured poorly. I tried to do my best to mend it, but it was based on an earlier video. So hopefully I won't have that problem again.
I also need to rethink how I'd structure theory talks in the future.
I brought up every theory I could so I could address the problems with each. I was definitely a little too harsh, though, especially with my graphic, which I will be revising. However, I've found in the past that if I'm not blunt about my thoughts on the "wrong" theories, people get the wrong takeaway from them. For this video, I just had to hope people would realize they could still believe whatever they want while understanding why I think they're unlikely.
😔
6:13
Incorrect.
I played through this entire game and beat it a few days before it officially came out (shoutouts to hacked switches and leaked nsps), and "Bobby" only left one impact from me: the bullshit asspull that was him dying after exploding.
It showed me that the Paper Mario devs during that day and age can't even follow the structure they've shown time and time, a race trait of bob-ombs specifically being that they don't die after exploding, then just breaking their own rule for the sake of "memorability" (convenience because they didn't want to implement a proper partner system and make a good battle system which actually utilized them.)
When you make already make two games in the series and establish a fundamental idea (Bombette and Bobbery exploding and it NOT killing them), breaking it without rhyme or reason is horrible writing, and horrible worldbuilding in general.
Absolutely fair point.
That's part of what I meant about the "very idea of Bobby being offensive to some"
I know a lot of people who similarly hate Bobby because the developers just did not think him out well
blud killed himself (the only likeable charecter in the modern series) for the most annoying charecter ever, f in chat
Olivia is not annoying 💀
@@Paradoxe_0 yes she is dork
@@AliceGaymernah that goes to kirsti
Huey was likable
@@AliceGaymerShe's like 2 years old give her a break
I think Bob-Ombs can control the strength of their explosions, so a tiny explosions would be like a sting to them, while a boulder-destroying explosion like Bobby’s would most likely end him.
It would also make sense for things such as the Fahr Outpost cannon launch, which needed hundreds of Bob-Ombs to explode just to reach space. A load of Bob-Ombs all doing tiny explosions that they can easily recover from rather than a couple or Bob-Ombs producing large, much more life-threatening explosions
Oh I just watched the Size-Explosion theory portion. Pretty much what I thought as well