Exploring the timelines for characters that may cameo in DEADPOOL 3 (Part 1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.ค. 2024
- This video looks at the timelines for several movies that appear to have characters cameoing in the upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine movie.
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00:00 - Intro
01:08 - Daredevil
05:49 - Elektra
07:10 - Fantastic Four
12:12 - Rise of the Silver Surfer
14:12 - Fant4stic
17:30 - Punisher
22:16 - Dirty Laundry
23:12 - Googlesheet Timeline document
24:32 - Outro - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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This is how I placed the _Daredevil_ and _Elektra_ movies (all I did after watching your videos was add the August to the _Daredevil_ movie and December to the _Elektra_ movie):
1. Captain America: The First Avenger (1942-1945)
2. Marvel One-Shot: Agent Carter (March 1946)
3. Agent Carter S1 (April-May 1946)
4. Agent Carter S2 (July 1947)
5. Captain Marvel AND Post Credit Scene for Captain Marvel (Summer 1995)
6. Spiderman (April-December 2002) Alternate Universe 1
*7. Daredevil (2003) Alternate Universe 2*
8. Madame Web (Early June 2003) Alternate Universe with future knowledge 1
9. Spiderman 2 (March-April 2004) Alternate Universe 1
*10. Elektra (2005) Alternate Universe 2*
11. Spiderman 3 (June-July 2005) Alternate Universe 1
12. Iron Man AND Post Credit Scene of Iron Man (February 2008-May 2008)
Before your video I hadn't placed _The Fantastic Four_ Tim Story films or the 2015 film. I was going to wait until the upcoming version, but I trust your placements.
Those five movies I can understand being part of The MCU, even if _Wolverine vs Deadpool_ didn't exist. I need more connections than just muscle in the background before I would put The Punisher movies on my canon to The MCU list, though. So I'll wait to see how they work.
Thanks for this.
@@Buffy8Fan Excellent feedback, as always. Thanks for sharing your placements in the timeline!
The multiverse viewing order keeps getting bigger and bigger. Really need a Multiverse watch order on Disney+
I agree...that would be helpful. Hopefully Disney+ can get ahold of any of the movies that may be referenced in either DP&W or Secret Wars. Most of them are on there, but a few still need to be added.
I have had this video in my "watch later" list for days, so excited
Nice! Hope you enjoy it. Was alot of fun to put together!
I can't wait to see who is in Deadpool 3, I can just imagine a 2000's avengers with ang lee's hulk, ghost rider, Tobey spider man, mutants, daredevil, blade, etc.
Yeah, I do sense it will be pretty cool to see some of the crazy cameos we have in store for us!
The thing (heh) about the mistake regarding Ben Grimm's age in Fant4stic is that it makes sense why its there once you realize the '86 date is Jamie Bell's actual birthday, which is the actor playing Ben in the movie. The production/prop department must've thought it would be a cheeky reference but clearly nobody stopped to think it through at all when it comes to what it would mean, chronology-wise.
Ah! Okay, that explains it then. I would never had guessed that was his birthday, since Jaime is playing a character that can't be much older than 19 in the movie, so the fact that he was in his late 20's when the movie was filmed is wild.
Honestly, if these other Marvel movies had been more successful (especially the Fox ones), I fully believe they would have tried to make a mini Marvel Cinematic Universe. Probably would've given Bullseye his Adamantium coated skeleton, too.
Maybe, a lot of writers and directors wanted that to happen, but Tom Rothman didn't really care about the Marvel/Fox movies, which is one of the main reasons those movies are a mixed bag.
Right...Fox was definitely cooking something with their movies and if they had just improved the storylines abit here and there, they may have really hit home with a connected universe.
Agree. Just imagine an X-Men and Fantastic Four universe set during the 80s and 90s. That would have been neat.
@@francescozenocchini4428 Agreed...would have been so cool!
Omg I would LOVE to see videos on Howard the Duck, Man-Thing, Nick Fury, any of those older pilots or movies. I'm working my way though the Marvel Super Heroes Show from '66 now. Great video!
Yeah, it would be fun to check out some of those older movies. I haven't seen some of them yet, so I need to dive into them!
@@AbitofEverything4U My goal is to watch everything Marvel has ever made, I used your spread sheet as a base and then went kinda wild - there's 292 things on my list.
Niiiiice! Lots of stuff to explore out there. Should be a fun viewing experience!
The James Marsden easter egg is even funnier when you realize he was actually eyeing his next superhero role 😂 (In Superman Returns just one year later). But the eye pun is the cherry on top
Great point! That's awesome...thanks for pointing that out!
Deadpool: "These timelines are so confusing."
I can tell I'm gonna need to rewatch this video multiple times to get each one of these right lol
Yeah, Deadpool spoke words of wisdom when he said that!
In some of Spider man movie was tomas jane like - punisher dude , cameo
One of the Toby/Raimi films. Not sure which one
Edited to add: it's Spiderman 2, but it was Jane's stunt double. It's brief.
Right! I heard that as well. I need to look into that. Pretty cool!
@@AbitofEverything4U In Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 the Punisher's stunt double appearances in a background scene, implying the character is canon to his universe
@@frysfolio Love it!
Right off the bat, you're making me want to give some of these old movies a chance (except Punisher because I've seen it). It's been so long since I saw the Fantastic Four movies I feel like I'm seeing easter eggs for a brand new movie. But yes please give us a Thomas Jane appearance, I need to see that man on the big screen. But I will always recommend people check out Dirty Laundry because it's so good. Interesting to note that both Frank and his wife were born the same year? That or someone just copy and pasted the years. Didn't realize Mystique's actress was in the Punisher film ... crazy. Great video as always.
I had fun re-watching the movies. I hadn't seen them in several years, so it was fun revisiting them again. And yeah, Rebecca Romin was in the X-Men movies and the Punisher movie both around the same time. Pretty cool!
This question is just for fun; Considering you've already done the X-men movie timeline, and that I havent seen the Thomas Jane Punisher movie in forever, do you know if there's anything date-wise or plot wise in Punisher that would make it impossible for Rebecca Romijn's character to literally just be Mystique in disguise?
Because in X-2, she's shown to use her "human self", who is just her without the Mystique make-up, as a disguise, so maybe, if the dates line up, and nothing in the Punisher movie contradicts it, we can just headcanon Mystique had a mission in Tampa that weekened in-between running errands for Magneto. Sounds like something that would happen in a comic to just casually insert a guest character from another big title for a couple issues lol
That would be epic if it was Mystique in the Punisher movie. So if we date the Last Stand in 2006 (which many fans do), then it definitely works fine, as she would be appearing in between X2 and Last Stand. If we date Last Stand in 1999 (I'm becoming more convinced of that placement), then it would be after she lost her powers in Last Stand, so it means she went to live a normal life and that's when she showed up in the Punisher movie. Very cool!
2:47 That's COLD Very Cold indeed. Anyone notice The xmen Mistake Here Yet? 20:57
Yeah, Michael Clarke Duncan was an awesome Kingpin!
I love these types of videos. Looking into what was and what could have been. Can’t wait for Deadpool & Wolverine.
That's a good way to view it. There was so much potential in alot of these movies, but they just never quite got there. Still, it was fun taking a look back at those films. I'll be sure to do more vids like this soon!
Love your timeline breakdowns and your state of heroism and villainy
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
Incredible timeline discoveries! Great work on all of those dates. Amazing
Thanks so much! Had alot of fun putting those vids together. Helps get me all the more excited for DP&W and perhaps seeing some of those characters back again!
this paints a clear picture to when everything happens in these films and i wonder if elektra or any other characters will appear to be slower or more fatigued in deadpool as they are a lot older
Good question...ofc Hugh looks as ripped and ready to rumble as he did in the first X-Men movie back in 2000. Dude is a beast!
5:41 funny enough simon kinberg did tease about Colin feral’s bullseye coming back in Deadpool and Wolverine and he is another marvel movie villain that fit right in with Casandra nova’s group
Would be awesome, but he might've been busy with being The Penguin.
That would be so cool if Colin's Bullseye appeared in DP&W. I agree, he'd be fantastic as one of the villains!
cant get enough of your videos man, i really love your timeline breakdowns
Thanks so much! Yeah, that one was alot of fun to put together!
Your vids always make my day. Favorite channel on TH-cam by far. Best place to talk MCU. Keep up the great work
You are very kind to say that. Thanks so much for the positive feedback and also thanks for your support!
I really am glad you're doing these. I realy hope you conisder doing the other old Marvel movies. Even if they don't into the MCU crossover shenanigans, it's just fun to see these movies get analyzed.
That's good to hear that there's an interest in seeing these. I had alot of fun putting the vid together. Thanks for the positive feedback!
I always like to think that the Tim Story F4 movies and the FoX-Men movies, are set in the same universe, with the Ben Affleck Daredevil movie, Elektra 2005, and Thomas Jane's Punisher and Dirty Laundary are set in the Raimiverse. I also like to think Defender Strange from MOM is from the Raimiverse.
Josh Trank F4 is just in its own separate continuity entirely, though. Also, i hope Wade kills the Josh Trank F4 in DP&W.
Yeah, I like the idea of those films sharing the same universe as well. I think alot of people consider them connected for the reasons you mention. And I'd definitely be down for Deadpool killing off the Josh Trank F4. That movie just didn't work. Although it would be fun to see Miles Teller join a "council of Reeds" as a counterpoint to the council of Kangs at some point.
I would 100% LOVE to see you cover all the movies + canon shows that might/will tie into Secret Wars (probably including the Spider-Verse films lol). Your multiversal content is much appreciated
Thanks for the feedback...I agree, I think these type of videos are alot of fun to put together!
Im so glad i found this channel new fan for sure 🔥
Thanks so much...really appreciate the positive feedback!
This was a real fun and interesting video, definitely intrigued to see what other universe movies are in DP&W
Thanks for all your help with it, Hunter! That was a fun collaborative effort on the discord to try to come up with the timeline!
@@AbitofEverything4U same here! It was really fun to work with you, Robbie, and the others.
Discord team for the win!
This makes sense! Thank you!
the scene that u was talking about with stick and elektra according to the movie novelization on page 16:
hidden training camp -
"before she'd died and come back, Elektra natchios had trained with a number of sensei, and she had learned their crafts well. at camp where she ended up after her stomach wound had finally closed and healed (mostly) and her body had regained it's strength, she learned even more about the art of fighting. additions to her fighting repertoire included the bo---long staff---eskrima sticks and nunchaku, the whip and the kukri, along with the weapons and skills of dozens of other disciplines. like the other students, Elektra pulled her hair back in a headband, dressed in white, and trained with others like herself----but not nearly as skilled --daily. she lived with them, ate with them, fought with them. but she was never quite one of them, never a part of the subjective family existence and camaraderie that the others seemed to share simply by virtue of being there with each other."
(btw i think that was a typo because it says "before" instead of *after)
it also goes on and makes the deleted matt Murdock scenes canon and more in depth.
also, in Elektra official movie tie in comic - Elektra: on the rise (that takes place after the movie) it leads up to the opening of the Elektra movie with an alternate plot and in daredevil (2003) movie tie in comic daredevil straight up impales bullseye and toss him out the window and bullseye is presumed dead. it's an alternate ending and it's mentioned that he's dead in that exclusive and rare - Elektra on the rise, movie tie in comic; which is confirmed by daredevil = "now bullseye's dead, kingpin's in jail and every criminal organization in the city is rushing to fill the Vold"
however, in daredevil's official movie tie in novel it's the same as the movie bullseye is alive, so take it as u will it's all up in the air on whether he's alive or dead.
Thanks for all that great backstory! That was very cool stuff. Loved reading it all. Really appreciate you watching the vid and sharing the extra info on Elektra!
I will use this in my rewatch before DP3!
Yeah, I've been having fun revisiting these movies in prep for DP&W!
I know they’re a lot of work, but these timeline videos are great and I’ll watch as many as you make
Thanks! Yeah, they are indeed alot of work, but also alot of fun to make. Really great to hear you like them. Thanks for the positive feedback!
Omg! Thank you so much for doing this timeline! But now I have more homework to do before D&W 😂
lol...yep, It was fun watching those movies in prep for DP&W. So many possible cameos...it's really exciting to think of the crazy possibilities.
Thank you for your incredible diligence
Thanks! Had alot of fun putting that vid together. It's fun to try to piece together the timelines in the earlier movies!
thank you for your effort, it is so convinient to be able to watch this instead of trying to remember or read up everything. So it´s easier to enjoy the movie. I rally hope many if not all of the Charakters show up in the movie!! especially since deadpool would have so much (meta stuff) to make fun of
Thanks so much for the positive feedback. Had alot of fun researching those movies. And yeah, I hope several of the characters show up in DP&W. Lots of good jokes and references for DP to make!
omg yes do those other movies! love your timeline videos
Thanks! I have a lot of fun making them, so that's great to hear!
This was a great breakdown of the past pre-mcu marvel movies from fox and seems like Deadpool and Wolverine is going to be an amazing culmination conclusion of all those movies for sure.
Yeah, DP&W is gonna be amazing. I mean, just getting Wade and Logan is more than enough, but then throwing in these small easter eggs makes it feel all the more special!
thanks, you always have good videos!!
Very kind of you to say that. Thanks so much!
@@AbitofEverything4U of course!
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These videos are great for long drives 😄
Awesome...hope it helps your drive go by faster!
you're the first youtuber that actually mentioned stone ppl seem to forget stone was in fox marvel universe from elektra movie. youtubers kept trying to say that's blade for some weird reason but when u put the side by side like u have it does look like Bob Sapp and he was a villain in the elektra movie. which also make sense bcuz everyone that's lined up front are villains from: toad, lady deathstrike and etc.
Yeah, it sure does seem like Stone. And it does appear to fit, due to the fact that it seems Elektra is in the movie. So having one of her villains really makes sense to me.
Great video
Thanks...really appreciate the positive feedback!
I wonder how many of these non-MCU movies can actually be in the same shared universe.
I'm reminded of Quinten Reviews for the Nickelodeon Sitcom Universe, and man things get pretty nuts. The mention of the actors playing mutants on that Magezine is very reminiscent of what would later happen in the NSU where characters, the real actors who play those characters that have shows on televisions, and fictional versions of those actors playing those characters all exist within the same universe. So just as an example Nathan Kress plays Freddie on iCarly. Well, iCarly is also a show other kids watch in that universe, but at the same time, the character of Freddie could show up at anytime in another show, too. And then there's the Nathan Kress who plays Freddie in the iCarly show that is on TV within the universe, which means that there are three Nathan Kresses out there, but one just goes by Freddie. So an X-Men movie may actually be in the works during Fantastic Four, and the actors who play those characters also just so happen to look just like the Mutants they are making a movie about.
It's possible that Daredevil and Electra also take place in this same New York as X-Men and Fantasic Four as the events of Daredevil take place before the Fantastic Four movie, and then Electra takes place in a different part of the world anyway. Same can be said for Thomas Jane Punisher and Man-Thing with one in Florida and the other in Mississippi. Blade also takes place wherever the plot demands. Hulk also takes place Southwest away from everyone. There's nothing supporting these connections, but also nothing refuting them either, it's not like the concept of monsters or folks with superpowers is laughed off, these things happen in the world these characters live in. There were also plans to have Fant4stic take place in the same universe as the rebooted X-Men after Days of Future Past, and thanks to your excellent videos exploring those timelines, perhaps when Wolverine is sent back to the 70s, that effects different people with the same names as the Fantastic Four and all associated persons, and the ones from the earlier movies just never cross paths.
Basically, I'm asking for a super timeline that actually connects everything non MCU from Balde onward as a fan theory. There may be some outliers, I still haven't seen everything yet, and I imagine the Spiders may cause some problems, so they could be kicked out, but I bet we there's a way to make it work.
Oh wow...now THAT would be a fun project. Would be tons of work, but the finished product would be incredibly cool!
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One thing I would like to add in case you decide to make a timeline of Nicolas Cage's Ghos Rider, According to a comment on the film, there is an 8-year difference between the 2007 and 2012 films. The filming was around December 2010 and in the movie a character says Merry Christmas. There is also a European magazine "Casa Mea" that came out in December 2010/January 2011 That would place the first film in 2002 and the second in December 2010.
Oh wow...very helpful info. Thanks so much!
18:37-Not sure if they will reference the specific movie, but wouldn't be surprised if they reference the Marvel graphic novel, Welcome Home, Frank, which Thomas Jane's Punisher movie took HEAVY inspiration from
Cool! I'll have to check that graphic novel out!
Don't know how this factors into anything but I'd like to mention both the Daredevil/Elektra movies and the Thomas Jane Punisher are connected to the Raimi Spider-Man Universe tangentially, because the MTV 2004 Spider-Man animated show, which is a non-canon direct sequel to the first Raimi Spider-Man movie (which only became non-canon once Spider-Man 2 came out and contradicted it, because otherwise the show was supposed to be a direct sequel), features Michael Clark Duncan reprising his role as Kingpin and being a main villain in one episode (maybe more, but for sure at least one).
And, in Spider-Man 2, in the scene where Mary Jane runs through central park in her wedding dress, you can see her run past a guy dressed in black looking at her, which people thought was actually Thomas Jane for years, but is actually Thomas Jane's stunt double from the Punisher movie, who was put there deliberately to tease his and Spidey's movies were connected and could possibly crossover in the future, which sadly never happened, but, for all intents and purposes, that is SUPPOSED to be Thomas Jane's Punisher in Spider-Man 2.
Very cool! I love seeing those type of connections!
Imagine the two different fantastic 4 teams being in the movie or even meeting each other, the confusion they would have the confusion they would have and the fun Deadpool would have
That would be epic...It would really show the cool possibilities of the multiverse!
I would like it if you did a timeline video for both seasons of Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur. I know you’re going to do a video when the rest of the second season comes out, and I’m currently working on an in-depth timeline for both seasons (similar to the MCU wiki), so it will be nice to compare notes when the time comes.
That's a cool idea. I need to keep an eye out for timeline clues. I didn't recall many of them while I was watching, but perhaps there are more than I remember. I love that show. Hope we get the second part of the season soon!
Yeah. Me too.
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Fun fact: There are two X-Men actors in The Punisher (2004). In addition to Rebecca Romijn (Mystique) playing Joan, Ben Foster (Angel) plays Spacker Dave.
Oh wow...I didn't even recognize him, but you're right!
I really hope the 2000s fantastic four returns in some capacity in deadpool 3 or secret wars. The casting was so good for the team. I especially loved the thing, he was absolutely perfect and his cheesiness would be so funny in the mcu. Also ioan gruffolds reed Richards was really good and it would be cool to see him interact with the other geniuses is the mcu
Yeah, I agree...I felt the casting for that team was perfect. The movies were not bad...just not a very deep story. But the actors did a great job with the material and clearly were having a great time working together on the movie!
2:00 Another another reason to watch these movies is they can still be fun. Even if most of them are wildly different in terms of quality and tone, they can still be worth a watch. While I don’t want the new FF to be similar in tone to the 2000’s movies, I still love how cheesy and how very early 2000’s those movies are.
Well said...yeah, I had fun re-watching the movies, particularly the FF 2000's movies. They were indeed alot of fun!
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I was watching old Marvel movies and there are some things to note in their timelines, for example, the 1979 Captain America movie has a calendar with 29 days which places it between 1976 or 1980.
Also the Spider-Man TV Series from the 70s has curious details, in the last 2 episodes that look like a 2-hour movie, Peter mentions that "I have worked at a newspaper for the last year", which makes the events of your series occurs within 2 years.
In the Night of the Clones episode there is a notebook from Peter that places the events in late May 1978.
Which could suggest that the entire series takes place between April 1977-End of 1978.
I've also been watching some of the Incredible Hulk series and its TV movies, in the 1988 Detective Jack McGee mentions that he's been chasing the Hulk for about 4 years.
In the series there are some dates from 1978 and 1981 in some episodes such as married or the first.
I would really appreciate it if you could unban me from your server, I would really like to discuss that and more about the Marvel movie timeline.
Wow, that's some very cool timeline trivia. Thanks for sharing all that! As for the server, have you sent an appeal to the Admins? That's the way to get back on, as far as I am aware. I let them handle that type of thing, so I am able to focus on the videos. What was the reason you were banned?
It would be cool if Chris Evans did return for Deadpool and Wolverine, but who knows.
It is likely though, as Chris Evans did appear in Free Guy for a cameo, and it is the same director. So hey, maybe that connection will lead him to having another cameo here as Human Torch.
I would love that version of The Thing to return, but I think the actor confirmed he isn’t in the movie.
Yeah, Chris Evans appearing would be awesome. And like you said, he had a good relationship with the director. Fingers crossed he shows up. And yeah, Michael Chiklis is a really cool dude. I loved his version of the Thing.
Hi, I've already mentioned that I love your videos, right? I really appreciate how you go into the finest details. I wanted to know if you would consider including the timelines of some games that take place in the movie universe, such as The Punisher 2004, Ghost Rider, and Blade 2. Since they happen in the same universe, it would be cool to have those events included.
Another question, is it true that there's an Easter egg of Thomas Jane as The Punisher at the end of Spider-Man 2 (in the scene where Mary Jane is running in her wedding dress)? If that's real, would it make sense to place Thomas Jane's movies in the same timeline as Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man films?
Great suggestion...I really do need to take a look at the games that connect to the mid-2000's movies. One thing that makes it tricky is finding sceencaps to make the video, but I bet if I dig hard enough I can find them. I was asked about the Blade 2 game when I did the recent vid on Blade, in fact. So it's definitely a topic of interest.
As for the Punisher easter egg in Spider-Man 2, my understanding is that it was actually his stunt double, but that it was still a sneaky way to drop in an easter egg in case they wanted to try to bring the two characters into a movie together at some point. Really bummed they never did that, but I think it's a connection that we fans can make, even if the studios never codified it.
Thanks so much for the feedback on the vid and for the kind words about the channel. Really appreciate it!
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It would be great if you made videos with the games plots; I believe it would be interesting timelines to follow.
It's really cool to imagine that The Punisher and Spider-Man are in the same universe because I'm a big fan of the Thomas Jane movie, and it would be amazing to see that canonized in the MCU, hahaha, especially since Tobey's Spider-Man is already in it. But that's just my inner fan talking.
I follow your videos a lot and discover new details with each one. Keep up the great work, always bringing this richness of detail.
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I agree...I thought the Thomas Jane movie was great. He was a fantastic Punisher!
I can't see any reason (yet) to expect it but some others I think might show up in Deadpool & Wolverine (or Secret Wars) are Nicholas Cage Ghost Rider,Eric Bana Hulk,Lou Ferigno Hulk and Wesley Snipes Blades. Snipes denies this but if hes under an NDA he kinda has to! But I think the likelihood is low because I think this movie is focusing on just stuff specifically from Fox. I think these are more likely Secret Wars cameos if they happen at all.
Right...I suspect that we won't see too many other cameos, but I agree there's at least a small chance we get Snipes Blade and/or a fight with Wolverine and Bana's Hulk. Both would be awesome!
Awesome video I’d absolutely love to see you go through other marvel movies and do the same thing.
Though I was a little surprised you didn’t use the connections to other movies to help place them. Punisher for example has to be pre 2004 cuz he shows up in a blink and you miss it scene in Spider-Man 2 I believe, though it could be Spider-Man 1. Fan4stic was planned to have a cameo in one of the Deadpool’s and Reed turned into Wolverine in a deleted scene of the first fantastic four movie. And then of course there’s the questionably probably not canon new Spider-Man animated series that has kingpin and is connected to the Raimi movies.
Also 21:03 might wanna double check your slides lol. No worries though still a great video.
OMG...that X-men slide is hilarious. How did I not notice that! lol!
But, as for Punisher showing up in the Tobey movies, my understanding was that it was his stunt double and not Thomas Jane himself and that it wasn't a sanctioned appearance, so I didn't mention it. Plus, the timelines for Punisher and Spider-Man seem very clear, so if that pseudo appearance were to mess up the timelines (it might not, as I haven't checked yet) then I wouldn't want to have the clear timeline indicators get overridden by that non-canon appearance (even if it was pretty cool).
As for Reed turning into Wolverine, that doesn't help with the timeline placement, per se, but it does perhaps mean the universes are connected. But it's telling that they axed that from the movie and thus it became an infamous deleted scene instead.
But yeah, lots of fun to put these type of vids together. I'll get to work on more soon!
@@AbitofEverything4U Totally fair on all other counts but with the Punisher cameo, I looked into this further and did some more research, as it turns out I think this was far more complicated and far more intended to be a crossover then I thought.
The DVD commentary apparently talks about this, where raimi (supposedly I havent seen the commentary myself so feel free to fact check me here) states that he made plans to get Thomas janes punisher to appear, however plans fell through since they're different studios. But it was so important to raimi that even though he got denied he still did everything he could to make it work anyway, so he got the stunt double.
This seems more of a "we need to make these universes connected, even if we're not technically allowed to" and less of an "oh lets just throw this guy in the movie" from my understanding. So no it's not "sanctioned" by both studios, but was absolutely intentional and wanted very much by raimi.
Dont know if it interrupts the timeline, just that punisher would have to come before spider-man 2 but personally raimis vision for this movie trumps what studios approve imo.
Source: www.looper.com/1377006/spider-man-2-thomas-jane-punisher-cut-cameo/
Very cool! Thanks for sharing all that. Yeah, I love the idea that they could be connected and it sounds like at least from Raimi's standpoint he wanted it to happen. Whether we should consider it to be canon is a different question, but I think it's cool either way. But I don't know that it means that the Punisher movie has to be before Spider-Man 2, since we just see the Punisher standing there in street clothes, but it could be that it was before or after the Punisher movie. Or perhaps I'm not thinking correctly about it? Love all your feedback on this!
@@AbitofEverything4U good point I guess it could be before or after, doesn’t really matter. And yea I guess raimis wants and what’s actually canon are two separate things, just personally I love the idea of having them connected
@@markdarc0448 I agree...I think the idea of them being connected is very cool. Punisher and Spider-Man go hand in hand in my mind, due to all their encounters in the comics.
This movie is so interesting. IIRC, FOX never owned the rights to Punisher movies, so for the Russian to be part of Nova's menagerie? I wonder if we'll see teases for the rest of the non-MCU movie franchises yet to appear in the trailers (Howard the Duck, Men in Black, Blade, Ghost Rider and Big Hero Six). Maybe even easter eggs for the movie franchises spawned from Marvel comics that Marvel has no rights to anymore (Red Sonja, Kingsman and Kick-Ass).
What an interesting point about the Punisher movie. I wonder if Marvel ultimately owned the rights to the characters and that's why they can use them? I need to check into that. But yeah, I think we'll be getting some really fun easter eggs with some of the secondary villains in the movie. ofc, the best part will be seeing Logan and Wade duking it out, but I think we can count on a whole bunch of easter eggs sprinkled throughout.
I assume the invite screw up might have been something that happened during shooting. Kinda like the calendar continuity error in Daredevil season 2. It was probably just set to when they were filming.
Or it was just a major continuity goof in the props department (I think an invite and calendar count as props?), but whatever.
Yeah, I agree, it was likely a miscommunication between the director and the props team. I wonder if they ever realized the issue or not. I wouldn't have caught it if I wasn't searching so closely for dates, tbh.
I think that Elektra will make an appearance in Deadpool and Wolverine because if you've read the comics Deadpool and Elektra are part of the team the Thunderbolts but so is the Punisher but regardless Elektra might make an appearance and maybe Deadpool might say to Elektra while they're fighting that they would have been friends maybe even a team which is going to foreshadow the Thunderbolts
Yeah, Elektra and Wolverine would make a great team together. Punisher as well!
@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah and I bet that there might be a scene that as they all try to get along together Deadpool might make some jokes too and maybe Elektra or Punisher might reference Daredevil at some point but with the announcement of the Thunderbolts and the members that are going to be in it is a very high chance that they're going to be referenced at some point in Deadpool 3
@@little_roseline Exactly!
The multiverse videos are my favorites.
Yeah, I love it when Marvel uses the multiverse to their fullest advantage. So many cool ways to tap into this multiverse storyline and give us fun easter eggs like we'll be seeing in DP&W!
The Punisher, X-MEN DAREDEVIL, Fantastic Four are in the Raimiverse if only.
I agree, there are alot of theories that those connections all exist.
Now where would the Ghost Rider and the Hulk 2003 films fit into a timeline? I heard someone talking about an alternative synopsis Spirit of Vengeance which is mentioned that it was almost 10 years after the first film, I also heard a fan who explained how Ghost Rider could fit into the MCU and there he said that the events of the Second film were close to Age of Ultron if it took place in the same chronology
Yeah, I definitely need to look into the Ghost Rider films to see where they fit in the timeline. Also interested to revisit the 2003 Hulk, as I haven't seen it in a loooong time.
Little known fact: The Punisher 1989 was actually a Fox film!
Oh wow...I had forgotten that. I need to watch that movie again!
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nice video,my advice is for multiverse also do timeline for Blade trilogy+TV show-while blade recasted it is same universe as films,Hulk 2003 and ghost rider films with punisher war zone an option.the second ghost ride ris short of reboot that keeps nicholas cage as star.my advoce is ignore marvel live stuff made before blade..this is for both deadpool & WOlverine and avengers:Secret wars.
Excellent advice. I agree, anything prior to Blade is very unlikely to get referenced in DP&W or Secret Wars. And I think you are right that the next ones to tackle are Blade (movie and show), Ghost Rider, Hulk 2003, and the other Punisher movies.
@@AbitofEverything4U good to know plus being frank most of pre blade live action sucked with exception of incredible hulk.dolph lundgeren punisher is guilty pleasure of mine and can still enjoy and watch it.generation x and nick fury tv movies have bit of guilty plesure as well.but not as much as lundgern punisher.
@@chrisroberts246 Yeah, I need to check out the Nick Fury and Generation X. Haven't seen those yet.
Cool that i remember that in Electra one of villains Ink , tattooed guy mutant
Yeah, that tattooed dude was pretty cool!
The tattooed villain in Elektra is actually named Tattoo. Ink is the name of a minor mutant in X-Men: Days of Future Past.
@@jorgecarbajal8076 Niiiiice!
Hopefully Deadpool 3 is not another MoM, these legacy marvel movies were insane and hopefully Deadpool 3 at least give some reganation to these amazing movies.
Agreed...while I liked MoM more than many did, I do hope DP&W improves upon the elements that didn't work as well in MoM. I have a strong feeling this movie is going to blow us away!
Maybe the void's version of Elektra is from a universe where she wasn't killed by Bullseye.
Right...a variant that defeated Bullseye would be pretty cool!
20:56 X-Men '97 cameo
lol...indeed...Mystique!
Wesley Snipes’ Blade timeline video?
Yep, that seems like a really good idea for the next one to tackle!
Elektra already has been confirmed
Good point...so I try to stick to only what has been officially released by Marvel or by the trades (i.e. Deadline, Variety, etc). afaik, it has not been confirmed by any of those sources. And you would be surprised how many people respond saying she's not in the movie. So for now, I'm considering it to be a rumor. But I do feel the trailer all but confirms it. Can't wait to see her character back again. Her movies weren't great, but i thought she did a good job in the role.
I’ve never watched the daredevil and Elektra films but I always thought they were separate universes.
Yeah, I can definitely understand thinking that. I wasn't sure myself, until I watched the movies. But it seems like there are enough connections to put them in the same universe together.
Watch the Fan4stic Fantastic 4 appear only for Deadpool to kill them and make fun of how bad their movie is.
Yep...if they appear, it won't end well for them! lol!
I figured out a rough date of when Matt was blinded
Oh, cool! What did you land on?
I had put it in the timeline chat but give me a second
The chapter gives a year of 1984 being the year when Matt becomes blind, given that he’s 12 Matt was born in 1972 and the current year of the movie/book is 2003. The book also says that Thriller by Micheal Jackson is playing just about everywhere which would have been released 2 years ago. Matt says he feels like the Silver Surfer while riding his skateboard, this most likely means that the Silver Surfer is a fictional character within the movie same with the Fantastic Four. The book claims that it’s Spring and a Saturday, Spring tends to be considered March, April and May. New York schools let out June 26th (based on the 23-24 school year), and report cards are handed out March 6th (based on the 23-24 school year). Matt is going to his fathers work with a report card in hand on the day of the accident, meaning the date Matt got blinded was most likely March 10th, 1984. While Looking for his father at the pier the supervisor says that Jack hasn’t worked there for months.
Wow...that's amazing. Nice work!
How many Pre-MCU movies are those?
So I found 26 multiversal movies and 8 multiversal shows. they are all pre-MCU, other than a few of the more recent ones like Fantastic Four 2015, etc. I'm not sure how many will actually show up in Deadpool (probably not too many), but we may get alot more showing up in Secret Wars. Pretty exciting!
5:11 - So, is it August or October?🤷♂️ When pointing out the mistakes of others, be mindful of your own😉
Ooops! Too funny. ofc, I'm not making a multi-million dollar movie with a director editors and producers to catch the mistakes, etc...but still...pretty funny that I was looking at the word August and still managed to say October. lol!
15:13 I heard on the Marvel Wiki Fandom that apparently his dad has the same birth name as Kang
Oh wow...that's pretty cool!
Thanks for Spotting the Russian from the Punisher Movie in the Deadpool 3 Trailer, I Hope he is Played by the Same Actor, But How is He Still Alive after the Thomas Jane Punisher Pushed him Down the Stairs Broke his Neck and Killed him in 2004.
Great question...my guess is that all of the villains in the void are variants. I mean Lady Deathstroke was killed in X2, Toad was killed in the first X-men movie, Pyro was presumed dead in the DoFP movie, etc. So my guess is that they will explain that the X-Men timelines are all branches and thus we are seeing variants that were pruned in the void. Let me know if that sounds like a viable answer. It's a great question you posed!
@@AbitofEverything4U That's awesome Bro Thanks for Sharing But the Russian Must Be the Weakest One there cause he has no Super Powers and is the Most Easily Dispatched one if they all Went Crazy and Fought Each Other to the Death, he would Probably be the First One to Die, Just Imagine if the Russian Fought Lady Deathstrike, that would be a Good Battle but it would last 2 Seconds.
Right...it seems The Russian would be a good candidate to take on someone like Elektra, if she joins along with Deadpool and Wolverine in the final boss battle. Same with Stone, as he's basically just a muscle bound goon. Heck, even Toad is pretty weak. Villains like Lady Deathstrike and Pyro are probably the best suited to take on the super powered heroes.
I unfortunately doubt any of these characters will show up. Maybe except Elektra. I would love to see the og Fantastic Four come back. They're all the perfect ages. It would be absolutely hilarious if they bring back Chris Evans as Johhny. Especially because Deadpool is a massive fanboy of Captain America. I can imagine all the jokes about that. 😂. I do hope that we do see the og fox movie characters in Secret Wars. Big missed opportunity if they don't (except Fant4stic, the less spoken about that, the better)
Yeah, it's really hard to tell who will be in the movie. I mean, tbh, just getting Logan and Wade is enough for the movie and all the rest is just icing on the cake. But I do wonder if they'll pull out all the stops to make this movie top even No Way Home, which is insane to even think about. We'll find out in just 2 short months!
Does it explain at all how reed is bankrupt since he’s the smartest man in the universe right?
lol! Good point...clearly being super smart does not equate to turning a profit, it seems. Poor Reed!
Are those the Pre-MCU characters?
Yeah. These aren't the MCU characters, but ones from movies before the MCU (and the Netflix shows)
Excellent answer from @Dragonsrcool12. They aren't MCU characters, but they do exist in the greater MCU multiverse and so they can end up appearing in movies like Deadpool and/or Secret Wars, since those movies are bringing in characters from across the multiverse. Love it!
imagine deadpool and wolverine comes out and reveals none of these cameos happened. i'm skeptical on if elektra will still appear or not.
Good point...i'll change it to "may appear" in the title. I am really hoping that's Elektra. Would be great to see her back again. She did a good job her movies, even if the scripts were pretty poor.
As much as I’d love to see all these cameos it’d be cool if we see none of it and got a movie nobody expects or had any clue about. As long as it’s a good movie, shouldn’t rely on the cameos
@@asmr_znekas8550 100% agree...just getting Wade and Logan is more than enough. So I'm good with whatever the movie delivers in the end. And I hope they keep any cameos that are in the movie a secret so they are a surprise.
7:38 just wait and see if he shows up also if he does then that basically confirms something else 😏
Very mysterious sounding...okay, you have me hooked. What will it confirm?
to make this clear fan4stic is a reboot not a continuation nor sequel of tim story's F4 it's a own separate thing, just wanted to let u know. bcuz it sounds like u were trying to connect all three of them together. it's only two tim story's f4 that's in it's own timeline which is Earth-121698 and fan4stic is (Earth-15866)
15:11 LMFAOOO! wow
Well said...they are indeed two different timelines. And yeah, that birthday cracks me up! Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!
No wonder this 2015 movie sucked
Yeah, it started out pretty good, but it went down hill big time in the 3rd act.
@@AbitofEverything4U haven’t seen it
Yeah, I've watched it twice now, and I wish I hadn't watched it once. lol!
@@AbitofEverything4U someone told me when I was talking about it when it first came out I was gonna see it in 2015 it’s a waste of your time so don’t waste your money it’s a waste of your time so I went with there advice 9 years on I’ve went with his advice ever since
Smart move!
Yeah In Punisher Laundry Day Young Punks are Disrespecting Thomas Jane Punisher and he Takes Care of His City making Sure it's Safe, he is the Protector of His World and Sadly he is the Only One, What Happens if There is an Alien Invasion What if the Kree or the Skrulls invade that Earth Or Knull the Symbiote God although That could Just be in Sony Marvel Universes. The Marvel Movie Database Shows Thomas Jane Punisher Earth to be Designated (Earth-58732)
I agree...Thomas Jane's Punisher is the man. He was amazing as Frank Castle!
And would you consider these canon to the MCU since they all predate the entire marvel cinematic universe altogether?
Good question...I think they are canon to the greater multiverse and are each set in their own alternate universe. I think they are all showing up in the void as it seems there is one void for the entire multiverse. So the void is the multiversal dumping grounds if anyone is pruned.
Canon-adjacent
@@FreddyKurganNimmo Well said!
in addition even feige said non marvel live action disney titles like descendants, high school musical, hocus pocus is part of the same multiverse believe it or not
@@PhNg10502 Interesting...I hadn't seen that, so I'll have to look for that quote. Wild stuff!
Hope Deadpool save fox universe
He's hoping the same thing...if anyone can do it, Wade can!
I think in MOM fashion there will be light touches as it’s a Deadpool and Wolverine film not Secret Wars
Very much agree...I suspect the villains will be pretty quickly dispatched. But I do love how their inclusion makes the multiverse feel even more lived in. These type of small easter eggs get me all the more excited to see how things will all come together in Secret Wars!
@@AbitofEverything4U same .
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I like to see Vanisher in Deadpool played by john cena 😂
Niiiice! At this point, I think anything's possible with Deadpool. Can't wait for the movie to arrive!
I Never Watched the Fantastic 4 Reboot Movie I Heard it was Bad.
Yeah, it starts out okay, but it really goes downhill in the third act.
weird you did include Blade
Right...Blade is on the master list of potential connections to the greater multiverse, but I suspect he won't appear in DP&W but will appear in Secret Wars. That said, I'd love it if Blade did show up in DP&W after all. That would be epic!
Don’t forget Ghost Rider and Hulk Also I will not forget the time that there was a fake plot leak for Doctor Strange that said that the films ending was basically going to include every single major pre-MCU Hero in a scene similar to the battle for earth but I’m happy we didn’t get that because it would’ve basically been the same as what we will be getting in secret wars, except without any MCU characters outside of Strange and no villains working with the hero’s as well they also said that Thomas’s Punisher would be in and wearing a War Machine armour Also there was a cancelled Hulk sequel supposed to come in 2005 that would’ve had Grey Hulk, Abomination and Leader and would’ve been more political and also may have been directed DVD animated if they couldn’t get the budget and would’ve had David Covenant voicing Bruce
Wow....so many possibilities!
Character Similarities between MCU and FOX.
Yeah, can't wait to see Elektra in the movie, assuming she appears!
5:15 what?
ikr? That looks so crazy...can't believe they didn't fix that for the movie!
Punisher war zone is a sequel to punisher
Oh really? I thought it was a reboot, since they switched actors. I'll have to check on that. Thanks for mentioning it!
@@AbitofEverything4U its a bit of both actually it continues the story but also soft reboots it with a new actor
Interesting...I watched it awhile ago, but I'll have to watch it again with that in mind. Thanks for the lowdown on it!
13:38 The Thing was too short
He’s meant to be the tallest member Also if this version of the character does come back I wanna know if they’ll make him CG or keep him with suit and make up
Yeah, I liked the actor playing the Thing, but he was a little short for the role. And my guess is that they go with CGI, but the suit from the two fantastic four movies honestly looked pretty good.
I watched the Daredevil film the other night for the first time and man I see why it wasn't very memorable 😂
At least compared to Spiderman, Blade, Xmen, and the F4
Yeah, I agree...I felt the Daredevil movie was pretty weak. I liked the Kingpin and a few of the fight scenes with Bullseye were pretty cool. But overall it was wasn't very good.
Please don’t bring back Fant4stic
Agreed...that movie was just a real mess. However, I do think an appearance by the Council of Reeds would be cool. Bring together Miles Teller, Ioan Gruffudd, John Krasinski and Pedro Pascal to be the counter point to the Council of Kangs. That would be sweet!
Don't ever recommend the Elektra movie, its a total nothing burger.
Yeah, it's not very good, sadly. It started out with a really good premise, but it definitely fell apart in the second half.
@AbitofEverything4U bro it fell apart the moment it was pitched.
ig I enjoyed the idea of her being sent to kill someone, then finding it was the father and daughter, and then deciding instead to fight for them and give up being an assassin. That overall plot was interesting...but I agree, the execution was terrible. I mean, they had some cool villains for her to fight, but the actual battles were pretty lame.
@AbitofEverything4U this conversation has me thinking, maybe the movie isn't that bad, the end credits let you know the train wreck is over and that you can instantly forget everything that happened in the movie, the whole thing is a fever dream, and it really disappointed me because I love Elektra, she's one of my favourite characters. The best kind of movie for her would be a grounded ninja movie where she is hired to take down a criminal network or something like that, but the key word should he "grounded". Garner could have pulled that off with a decent script, and another problem is, back then comic movies weren't treated with the respect they are given nowadays, so allot of the movies made back then, there was no passion or love put into them, and allot were made with the assumption that comics were just for kids too. If Elektra was made now I'm sure it would get the respect it deserves.
I agree 100%...if Elektra were made today it would have been awesome and Garner seemed to really get the role and she would have been great if given a good story. Bummer that we got the movie we got. But if she does appear in DP&W, maybe she gets a cool action scene and can restore the character abit. Fingers crossed!
Oh God please no Fantastic Four!!!
Yeah, it is looking like we may get at least a small cameo here or there. We'll have to wait and see!
Boy I hope not I hope it becomes like those ludicrous rumors about Spider-Man no way home that didn't happen
Yeah, we'll have to wait and see...good news is the movie arrives in 2 months!
@@AbitofEverything4U yeah I got a feeling Deadpool and Wolverine is going to be a lot like Spider-Man no way home a lot of crazy rumors are going to happen only a quarter of them are going to happen and not in the way fans are expecting
Great point...yeah, there have been some very crazy rumors out there for sure!
With all due respect I hope Chris Evans does not return as human torch there is a reason why he doesn't acknowledge his time as human torch at Comic-Cons
Interesting...when he was interviewed recently he seemed to speak fondly of his time as the Human Torch. But I suspect that that's more recent and that for many years he probably wanted to forget about those movies so he could focus on being Captain America.
From everything I've seen in all the promo images for comic-con's he only highlights his time as Captain America and being Lucas Lee and Scott Pilgrim versus the world
Hmmmm...if you google Chris Evans Human Torch, you find articles like this: ca.movies.yahoo.com/sign-chris-evans-play-human-190045558.html. In it, he said: “God, wouldn’t that be great?” Evans told MTV News when asked about playing Johnny Storm/Human Torch again. “Wouldn’t that be great? No, no one’s ever come to me about that. I mean, I don’t exactly look the same anymore. That was 15, almost 20 years ago. Oh my God, I’m old. But I really love that character, but I think … aren’t they doing something now with Fantastic Four?” So it seems he liked his time as the Torch and would do it again.
@@AbitofEverything4U I've looked at that article before and I'm pretty sure you sent it to me before and as I said before I don't really take that as a definitive take on him looking back positively as his time on the Human Torch so I'm standing my ground on that topic
Oh, did I send that before? Wow, you've got a great memory. That's impressive! Anyway, we'll find out soon. Either way, the movie is gonna be amazing. Can't wait!