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It’s actually kinda crazy how Blizzard could 100% could make so much more money with adding skins on launch day with these amazing looking characters. Overwatch’s monetization is absolutely garbage since they only make skins for characters that are popular and strong but the character balance is so bad so they’re stuck giving more skins to characters that don’t need them.
they cant make many skins anymore, thats why the few they do are for mercy or kiriko, they are desperate for money, they are running out of content for future seasons, everything you see is done months before
This is why the battle pass and shop skins are so off to the Egyptian mythology theme for the season they have to use old skins not made for the season to use as replacements
Yeah, compare the consitency of content during the mirrorwatch season with now. Everything fit that one theme. Now we have egyptian gods, polar expedition, japanese mythology and heists all crammed into one season. They also brought back the kpop skins (which is nice for people who missed them but it's just another example of reusing already produced content.)
yeah it didnt really feel like it at all to me especially with the sigma skin. paladins made a Egyptian themed bp a long time ago and to me it was alot better then what ow2 released today
They've always mixed in unrelated skins, like even back in season 1 when they had a long leadup to launch, they put safari and military skins in the cyberpunk battlepass.
My guess is that up to Illari or Mauga, these were the cosmetics they had ready and that they worked on during the OW1 drought. Now they are far behind on cosmetics and probably can't keep up, because of the layoffs. And this is why they release so many recolors per season. But it's still very weird how Kiriko keeps getting new skins every single season, sometimes even more than one!
It has to be money and demonstrating to investors/Microsoft that the game is viable as a financial entity. Then they can hope to increase output and get some staff back
Well, if they can make money with her skins they will prioritize them... I mean, if they can do 9 new original skins for a season, why they should make a zarya or a Ball skin over a Kiriko or Mercy skin? if a kiriko skin will make them earn much more money than the zaryas one and that will help the team to have money to produce new content on the future? It's a question of popularity, if you can't right now make skins for all the characters because of money/number of devs, you need to make skins that you know people will buy a lot to make benefits and with that obtain resources from up because you are being profitable. it's simple capitalism, offer and demand. I would love to see more Brig skins, but for every brig main there are 20 kiriko mains or 20 mercy mains. And even if they release a Brig skin on the shop, I will not buy it, but the Mercy/Kiriko mains... I remember see people on day one of season 10 with the Mercy Mythic. An skin you could obtain for 5$ on the season pass, they wasted 80$ to had it on day one. That's the reason they make so much Kiriko or Mercy skins right now, because if the character have a big playerbase, there are more chances that somebody will waste money on those skins and they will have more resources to make new future content.
The reason we're still getting more Kiriko, Mercy, and Genji skins despite the layoffs is simply because those are heroes whose skins are proven to sell extraordinarily well. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense to prioritize making skins for heroes who consistently make the most money, especially when you're low on manpower, because if the game isn't making enough money, the suits at Microsoft aren't gonna reinvest more into the production of the game.
@disturbedwaffles6653 exactly it's money. There's no " oh these are old skins ", no the art team is forced to make the same character skins because blizzard is broke
Im just waiting for the revival era where a lot of talented people are hired, making good skins for new and upcoming heroes, and fixing everything about the game. (Im in denial)
Every character up to Mauga had a BP skin alongside their release, but notice how since Venture was the first character to be released separately from the BP, they don't get a BP skin? The new heroes were a selling point for the BP, but now that they're not anymore, why bother when people don't need to buy the BP for the instant unlock?
Honestly its so bizarre for overwatch to cancel big things like skill trees and pve, to then say pvp is the big focus where skins and the battlepassIS the content that is left, and then not be transparent with the community about the set backs. If they said "hey, layoffs hit, and we are behind schedule but working hard to catch up!" I think sentiment would be a ton better than "Venture will get a skin 2 seasons from now." :/ Ppl acting like players are needlessly whiney about no skins for new heros is setting the bar even LOWER bc uh. Overwatch SHOULD be atleast hyping up the overpriced skins they want to sell lmafo. Otherwise it feels like a lifeless skin factory, and an insult to players that enjoy characters but get nothing. Baptiste and Sojourm need more creative skins, and Ana, Kiriko, Mercy, Ashe can take a break in favor of Venture, Juno, Mauga, etc. Like. We don’t NEED another genji and soldier skin. They forget that fans making aus and art of the skins was a HUGE hype factor for seasons. This season feels so out of place and random.
pve isnt even cancelled officially you know? they didnt announce it cancelation, scared too much about another low blow to the game reputation? thats why 6vs6 is coming back, is their last desperate attempt
@@floraazul7622 never, there is no OFFICIAL announcement from BLIZZARD or any overwwatch 2 DEVELOPER, anything you read you have to take it as a rumor because the only source is an anonymous ex employee. i mean i have no hope they do anything but why so scared to say anything OFICIALLY? reputation of the game cant be lower
I wouldn’t doubt if after the season 14 hero drops, blizzard comes out and says any hero after will now take 3 or 4 seasons to release instead of every other season like we have now.
they have to stop making heroes, balance is shit, juno is throw pick, but if they stopped making heroes they will ran out of the only thing that makes people come back to play this game
fr like no hate to the creator and i dont want it to seem like my dopamine receptors are fried by short-form content but it feels like there is just nothing being said in the video like 80-90% of the time. Or repeating something he's said before. The video could've been 5 minutes. For long form content, fill it with: CONTENT. not yapping
@@AshuraGC literally read the first sentence in my comment. Im not complaings its long, im complaining that its intentionally dragged out without saying anything new 90% of the time Im not sure what else i can say if youre unable to understand, do not reply
i think the point you make near the end about characters not being finished until their release is very real. Juno's ultimate voice line was changed and new effects were added to her abilities, plus more settings were added from her trial period, whereas venture and mauga shipped in the same state as their teaser. I'm hoping that once they find their footing under new management they will go back and give all the new ow2 heroes more base skins - like that time when they added all those base loot box skins in ow1 (i think they were blizzard themed). Definitely not happening but i can dream. Highlight intros have also taken a huge hit in ow2, venture only had 1 on launch, and only a few new heroes have 3 base game highlight intros. The quality of highlight intros has gone so far down too, we used to get action shots and now we just get smiles in slo mo.
Lets not forget characters like sojourn and junker queen have voice lines for shield generator an ability removed years ago. If i had to guess most these base models, voices, and lore for the characters were created by teams back in overwatch 1 era... Im guessing the art team is more focused on things like the promotional event skins such as one punch, kpop, and transformers. This is pretty sad though because as we add in more characters it just means we are going to get less and less skins over time for characters you enjoy and more focus on the big sellers like mercy, genji and kirko. Also means we are probably never going to get high quality cinematics again :/
Wasn’t shield generator removed way before jq’s voice actor was even finalized? The original voice in ow1 junkertown is different from the current one right? Why would they even record lines for something that doesn’t exist anymore
@@Drakuma35 well they removed Cassidy's flashbang, then pretty much exchanged the stun for a hinder now. A bunch of iterations of a different ability only for it to end up slightly different from the first. So who knows they may add it back in the future
Kiri makes money, if Aaron and the team are looking to prove themselves to Blizzard and Microsoft: they have to prove the live service is financially viable. Maybe then Overwatch can get back some staff/studio investment from their parent companies. Could also be the reason we’ve seen almost nothing from Overwatch at conventions this year.
well microsoft fired everyone the moment they completed the buy, clearly they have no faith in ow2, they are witing until profits, which are not that great, get lower to close the game
@@verguco6051 Act/Blizz isn't going to do a massive layoff during the buyout, this would devalue them. Most of issue was known to MS after the buy is is complete.
Recently one of the skin makers said on Twitter that some decisions are out of their hands even if they don’t want to do it. I personally took that as them saying they want to give more skins to other heroes but that the higher ups tell them they must give some every season to the top selling heroes. Just my opinion
13:37 Boy do I have news for you. Not even 2 days after the release of Juno, we instantly got 3 concepts for skins. I wonder how far into her actual conceptualization it took before they started designing those. Also makes you wonder how far into ventures it took since it’s confirmed they won’t be getting a skin for another 2 seasons. If Juno gets skins before venture that says all that we need to know
Devs are too busy cranking it to the waves of R34 that they no longer have the time to actually develop anything beyond their own goon juices. Truly tragic.
I do agree that the timeline might add up. Six months is probably about what their production pipeline is. Might also explain why so many new skins have been recolors lately. However at the same time it doesn’t really make sense because blizzard IS making new skins. They are just making them for characters that already have dozens of legendary skins. So on some level, someone at blizzard is deciding to prioritize making more skins for old heroes instead of new heroes. Which just makes no sense from a moneymaking perspective.
I mean a venture skin still isn't going to sell as well as a kiriko skin, and for the artists it's probably a lot harder to think of cool ideas for venture without making her too masculine or feminine. Juno is really weird they didn't release anything. If they don't have a juno skin out by midseason they're throwing away money.
the skin thing is not a big deal to me HOWEVER where i think they screwed the biggest chance to boost their game is in cinematics cause they kept us hanging on for too long now and i wanna see more lore ,like which side is hanzo on ,when will moira be in a cinematic ,when we will see overwatch vs talon huge fight like the last cinematic we got was KIRI EATING FUCKING DONUTS
I really must say that Overwatch has become way less fun for free to play people. You can’t get skins for newer champs and with the exclusion of loot boxes the amount of skins you get is very minor and all skins you receive are very predictable. I do not get why they don’t have a system like LoL or Apex, where you have a shop with highly priced skins AND a loot box system. Every skin could just get added to the lot pool after maybe two seasons. But, free to play people would have way more fun and might consider buying some things. The current system is really just plain and boring
they can open paint, recolor and old skin and sell it for $20, easy money, some idiot will buy it, taking the effort to make a new skin you will sell for credits, no money there
@@katnumb1692Nobody wants to play with Generic characters. Venture ain't generic. They're an absolute gremlin. Also, this is the same game that launched with two Australians, one fat and masked, and the other crazy and hunched. That's not sexy or attractive at all.
i think it’s pretty obvious half the hero’s added in OW2 have been completed for years and got shelved during the OW1 drought so they could pretend OW2 is a sequel
this is literally what they did with every content ow2 get, why ow2 doesnt feel like a sequel? because ow2 was going to be only the pve when they announced it, the pvp was going to be left intact, they canceled pve long before ow2 launch, so they changed the format to 5vs5 to justify the 2 and the few content already made or planned for ow1 has to be launched to have any content. the pve missions launched were playable in 2019 for fuck sake. now they have a seropus problem, lay offs happened on january, they have nothing for the future, all this content we get this year was done long ago
junker queen clearly was made for 6vs6 in mind, she as a tank is awfull, is just a dps, have no tanking abilities or way to protect you, she was an off tank
I don't get it in any way, even if they did not have the budget for an extra skin, maybe they could've done one less Mercy skin and let that department at least make on legendary for Juno. People would impulsively buy the skin for Juno just because she's new, but truthfully some players will lose interest in her overtime, so if they launch a skin next season, the Juno hype is already partially over. No matter how you put it, giving Juno a skin would've been the best option. Venture could've received an Egyptian skin, which would've sold well too as many people do play Venture and their theme aligns with the battlepass theme. Literally who is making these awful decisions?
They probably have tens of Mercy skins waiting for release from OW1 and earlier OW2 days. Would not shock me if it came out that they've mostly been releasing older stuff and characters like Venture are much newer conceptually and everything and simply don't have that stockpile of work behind them. The lore behind Venture is nearly nonexistent, so perhaps they're just half baked at present. Stuff that can be bought with credits is also probably at the absolute bottom of the priorities list though. I can't imagine they make any money whatsoever off of those.
Recently one of the skin makers said on Twitter that some decisions are out of their hands even if they don’t want to do it. I personally took that as them saying they want to give more skins to other heroes but that the higher ups tell them they must give some every season to the top selling heroes. Just my opinion
I know this isn’t really related to the topic, but did anyone else notice that during the Kiriko gameplay it was Cassidy’s portrait in the bottom left?
this is pretty much exactly what i think is the reason, but a couple more proofs to this speculation: 1. they talked about mythic skin production during season 1 and they mentioned how they worked several seasons forward with them which proves the buffer they have w production 2. the current battlepass being super off theme, a polar skin, heist skins etc, it definitely feels like they're scraping skins to fit into the season since their pace got messed up by microsoft purchase 3. they quite often talk about their walk run sprint mentality and it makes a lot of sense with how rn they're focusing on picking up the pace on gameplay, being balance gamemodes and heroes and they'll pick up the pace back on the skins soon
They wouldn't have this problem with balance if they just stayed 6v6 and balanced from there. They created their own problem and now they're in a mess they can't fix.
If people are assuming Venture hasn't been getting skins because they're nonbinary, that's dumb. They never would've even put Venture in the game in the first place if that was the case. Overwatch is queer as hell--Tracer, Soldier, Pharah, Baptiste, Lifeweaver, and now Venture. (Not to mention the PRIDE MONTH MIDTOWN variant and Venture getting an epic Twitch drop skin with the colors of the NB flag.) Why would they suddenly get bigoted now? Venture and Juno getting no legendaries is starting to get me scared that something happened with the art team... Do they not have enough people to consistently design and model legendary skins? I'm worried it's not sustainable at this point. Or maybe it's just laziness and they're really stingy with who gets skins. Idk. Would love an official statement on the situation from Aaron Keller.
I think it's more the fact people think people won't buy the skins because they're nonbinary. But that literally does not excuse them from not just adding them anyway.
I think with venture they haven't gotten a legendary because the weapon is so unique, I mean how can you redesign a drill/canon thing to fit a skin concept while still looking similar enough. It still needs to resemble a drill, be around the same size, two handed and a way to fire the projectiles
Yeah, it’s obviously issues with production resources. There’s also been a sharp reduction in the rate of wholly new skins offered in the shop. Many more shop slots are filled by skins that were initially released at some earlier time, and many of the new skins are just new colors/textures on the model of an existing skin. It’s not a coincidence that this is happening at the same time that new heroes are releasing with fewer and fewer skins
Can you guys PLEASE stop bullying and demanding SO MUCH from this company? They literally just brought back that kpop collab for you (which you can buy for the reasonable price of 60 dollars). The reason poor Blizzard doesn't have the time and resources for this game anymore is because they're busy working on Overwatch 3 (I hear it'll have PVE!!) STOP COMPLAINING AND JUST GO TO THEIR SHOP TO BUY SKINS!!!
The simple answer is that they just want money, they don't get money by including even 2 'free' skins through legacy credits. They won't change until all of you stop playing and buying. $68 for the kpop skins the second round by the way. Nothing has gotten better or changed for this game.
At BlizzCon they gave us four battle pass themes to look forward to and one of them was witches and wizards tank hasn't gotten a Mythic skin recently. So ram is the most likely pick to get a wizard Mythic
Yo! Prob mostly confirming things you've mention in the vid. This might be long, so I don’t know who will read it, but I'm someone who works in animation/general entertainment for almost a decade. I have friends who also worked at OW (not currently) and games/companies alike, and I can confirm that whether it's animation, art design, or 3D, most things you see have been done 2 years - 6 months in advance. In the worst cases, it can almost be a week-to-week or month-to-month when pushed against a really bad deadline by a poorly managed production from the higher-ups above your project. Now if these problems exist in OW2, my guess it's not Aaron and his team; it's more of who is above them and what they're being given to work with in terms of funding, time, etc. Juno was announced last year, and as mentioned in the video her design was not final, and I am pretty sure even Venture's character was NOT completed around that time as well. In OW1 they had the pipeline/plan down in terms of the cosmetics and rewards they wanted to make. The game was in production for a LONG time and also had no financial pressure yet because no one knew what the demand for a game like OW at the time would be. The OW1 team seemed to be at least 2 Heroes ahead most of the time. Where OW2 has changed their team basically once over, which means until they hire someone new, those art and dev duties either fall on someone who is in crunch time or being put on pause until they fill that role. I agree you CANNOT start marking skins or assets for a character you have NOT 100% finalized in their 3D model. You will end up going back and forth changing designs on every skin you had previously made... As you saw, the devs, vfx, sfx teams had to change audio/visual elements for Juno after her beta test for their full release, which wasn't a lot of time. Sometimes in art or animation, simple things can take WAAAY more time to complete than you'd think it does. As for re-colors, I'm sure they are easier to pump out; however, while I cannot speak for any devs or artists, I am sure they would rather be making dope skins if they could for all the characters and prob are for future seasons. Also to keep in mind, business, art, 3D, animation, etc, are ALL different departments. This does not mean Aaron or devs are pricing them. There is prob a lot of red tape and permissions they must get from people above them, which in turn can slow them down. I am sure they wish they had direct control over these things to change them sooner. In the end, I think the team is in the process of getting their footing back and doing their best to get ahead of production. Hopefully they will be allowed to hire some people in the right departments needed so they can work comfortably in all roles.
@@MimiHasBrainrot "This whole season is Egyptian-themed, and there isn't a single Ana skin." It's pretty self-explanatory, but that flew over your head. I guess that's my bad.
dont give these devs a single dollar. every hero should at launch have at least a minimum of 3 epics and 1 or 2 legendries as base skins. yall keep awarding them for their bad behavior and here we are now.
Thank you for making this video! So many people are so heated about the cosmetics distribution, without considering the overall situation in the company at large. I’m so glad that you brought some of this to light!
I noticed that with heroes like lifeweaver, illari and mauga (specifically Illari) that at the start of their release there hasnt been much, but NOW theres a more consistent flow of content coming through like any other hero. like the battle pass skins and shop skins and collab skins. So i think its pretty likely that eventually overwatch will catch up to juno and venture like the last heros, but any new heros will have to go through the same process with no skins on release then a big break before getting a decent flow like normal.
I think it comes down to their decision making. They 100% could develop new heroes alongside at least 2 legendary cosmetics for their release if they didn't choose to make more skins for the same few heroes that are guaranteed to sell more. i think that with the fact that Venture isn't getting a legendary until December at the earliest, and that they didn't get any for the Egyptian mythology season is going to leave a lasting bad taste in players mouths. Especially if the new standard is releasing heroes with 0 legendary cosmetics and potentially not getting any until multiple months after their release. like 6v6 v 5v5 this is something blizzard will have to address eventually.
funny enough juno already has alot of skins in the skins survey but not venture. its pretty much a combination of the layouts and preference for heroes that sell more
As someone who doesn't play Overwatch, I'm baffled. Why do they even make these ugly characters like Venture? It's obvious she won't be selling skins. But then launching a character without skins is even more baffling. Do they want to make money or not? Blizzard's execs are doing everything they can to bankrupt the company. Let's be real guys, Overwatch died with OW1.
Ive had the same idea's on them not making new skins as of late. You see the same issue with the Battlepasses having more recolors each season, or like this season where they threw in some of the arctic skins that they showed off before OW2 even launched. Seems like the majority of skins they are currently working on are focused on their colabs.
I think a decent way for blizzard to sort this is to bring back lootboxes. But. In a fun way. When you get to the extra tiers of the battlepass you shouls get a title and like 5 lootboxes in the earlier tiers and 10 in the later tiers. It makes it so people who dont want to spend all their money on the skins that you can buy in the hero gallery. Just a random idea i discuessed with friends
I was actually planning on buying a juno skin and there just isn't any. They HAVE to be missing tons of money not releasing a new hero with cosmetics ready. Hype dies off... interest in the new hero falls off and people return to their old mains... It's stupid to not have skins on release.
I bet this has at least 80% to do with the massive layoffs in art departments after generative AI came out and companies thought it was way cheaper than paying actual artists... Which ended up being not true because the production is way worse.
its obvious they dont wanna make skins for characters that people dont like so they probably wont make a venture skin for some time because people doesnt really like her that much. Juno was a hit a pretty balanced character on release havent heard anyone complain about her being unbalanced and she defenitly will fit into a girl pop squad of something like that and they will most likely make alot of skins of her because of that
Yeah, this makes sense, I think. There are other ways you can tell that the Blizzard art team is severely understaffed and ill-equipped to handle the seasonal workload right now; consider, for example, highlight intros. People on Reddit at least have been complaining that a lot of the newer highlight intros are kind of boring or "floaty" and not as dynamic as some of the more interesting highlight intros we've had in the past. I bet a lot of this is a result of layoffs as well.
i dont know how blizzard works but i wouldnt be surprised if a big part of a big part of not as much new skins for new characters might be because its now a free to play game so they want to make sure skins for a character will sell because its where they get their money from so theyll want to give the popular characters the skins instead
16:28 How would they fund the game if they stopped focusing on cosmetics? It’s a ftp game, pve isn’t happening anymore, new heroes are free, nd i highly doubt they’ll survive off battle pass sales alone (and those literally are all cosmetics). This isn’t $40 price of entry overwatch 1 anymore. Cosmetics are literally how they keep this game alive
Honestly I can see it being an issue. Plus they know kiriko and mercy will always sell skins so it's a golden goose they know they have and wouldn't risk what dwindling resources they have on new heros
I think they are just creating hype around the character through the principle of scarcity of skins, in order to have everybody buy the legendary skin as soon it goes out. Even if shop skins are cooler/rarer, a lot of people would just buy the non-shop ones and be satisfy with one of those
Pretty much the conclusion I had. Love Juno or not, if Blizzard doesn't release a cute buyable skin for her by mid season (with a slight buff), then just write Overwatch as it's dead. Go to Marvel Rivals, Deadlock, or Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
i think the skins situation is more upsetting for loreheads, even with the battle pass skins there’s just a focus on pumping out poorly thought out skins people will probably want to buy rather than in overwatch one where a lot of new skin releases related to an aspect of gameplay (junkenstein stuff) or an actual chunk of at least some part of lore (captain horus, blackwatch reyes etc). it feels like the new devs have just abandoned the lore at this point :’)
even with these skins on the battle pass they can’t stick to a theme, like with the egyptian theme now, only a few of the new skins surround it - the others are oversimplified - mercy, tracer. sad to see how disorganised they’ve become
This all definitely makes sense, seems the problems caught up with them because this current season is honestly a little lackluster in comparison to the content before. Agree it's cooler to have heroes over skins, but still.. season 14?! That means we have to wait for this and the next one to end before we see anything cool.
I think it's good and healthy to talk about things like layoffs and their effects on the gaming industry. I know everyone likes to blame devs as an easy explanation, but often times they're being massively held back.
im pretty sure blizzard outsources the skins. so the hero is done, and then the model sent to the outsourced company to work on skins and meanwhile they release it.
Kinda crazy how there are people complaining about not having cosmetics to buy, and then there are people that complain Overwatch monetization is greedy and scummy. Well, if there are no skins to buy, there's no greed right?
no one is talking the fact that reaper mythic is the only mythic skin in the entire game without weapon varitations which such a bumber since its literally one of the best mythics in the entire game
I've noticed an overall dip in quality. The shop is selling recolor skins for full price WITHOUT any name cards or icons, but new skins usually have name cards or icons (maybe even a weapon charm, and if you're really lucky, an emote). Highlight intros aren't actually interesting, the most recent Mei one is by far the laziest. She looks up, smiles, and waves. That's all the highlight intro is. Victory poses and emotes are now one in the same. If it's an emote, it's probably a victory pose as well, and vise versa. Blizzard is running out of steam, it's only a matter of time until Overwatch goes under unfortunately. Which sucks that it happens right when I get a support character with movement and abilities I've always been wanting! Juno is fun to play! It's just not fun to see any cosmetics for her despite her being so popular. She's been teased since Season 4 (I could be wrong, but that's a long time to sit and wait on a character). The fact that she was in the works so long and still doesn't have any skins is appalling. Also, Justice for Venture and Ramattra. Venture deserves legendary skins and Ramattra should've had the mythic this season (if you look closely at the reaper mythic, there are robotic parts that... Reaper clearly doesn't have, but Ramattra does...). EDIT: I had "overall" twice in one sentence.
Maugas beach skin shouldve been a credit skin because just like jq and many other heroes, its a skin that has smth to do with how the character was shown in the past, for jq her skin is the way she looked during her cinematic trailer, and for mauga thats the way he looks the first time he was introduced (baptiste comic)
I've noticed there is alot less skins in the battlepass now. Also I think I can remember that new heroes used to get a legendary or epic skin in the battlepass???
That is rediculous. Realistically something like that could be done in a week by a single experienced 3d artist. If it takes 6 months thats 100% the fault of horrible management.
@@sonderbain wrong actually. No artist could make blizzard level quality in a week. And the people that do make models in a week arent that high quality even if effort is put into them.
Honestly new characters don’t get skins on release purely off popularity, this isn’t event a ow2 thing. Why release/put effort into skins for characters that aren’t popular knowing it won’t sell. On top of everything it’s dev/people ahead of the skin board’s favouritism 🤷♀️ Thought it is odd that they don’t release with skins at all This video does bring up a great point aswell
The skins being released now were processed and made months ago back when Blizzard had a fuller staff. Those people were laid off over the last year, so new skins are gonna be harder to come by. For a similar reason, PVE isn't being made: there weren't enough people dedicated to it, and Blizzard couldn't figure it out in a way that made battlepass-level money.
Lifeweaver doesn’t have more content like voice lines and he needs more skins. So does ramattra cause I’m still pissed that he didn’t get the mythic skin.
The reason they don't launch with any, and still don't get any, is exactly that... they want you to purchase the pass for em, or from the shop... another way to milk some money from people, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
I personally believe that this slow down in content for Overwatch 2 stems from over-ambition. Even in blizzards current state, they did mention before the Microsoft acquisition occurred how mythic skins take a lot of development time and that they’re not able to keep up with the quality standard they set for themselves at launch. Not to mention that the process of making each legendary takes a lot of time, some can take as long as a mythic to make. Not just that, but apart of making a skin also requires them to use their own source code, which could also create technical issues. Very weird things can occur from any content addition, like skins making players unable to be rendered by enemies, giving an advantage. So making 2 legendaries for a new hero every 2 and a 1/2 months is an unrealistic expectation unless they plan ahead of time and begin developing skins to launch with these new characters. Seeing how much people blizzard lost, I imagine coordinating that will take some time before they’re able to do that again.
personally the cosmetics are like 90% of why I play this game (and other games like it). If I can't look cool WITH a character I like to play -- I'm gonna stop playing after a short while. I know a LOT of players feel like me when it comes to stuff like this, where if you aren't one of the top 1% sweats that actually enjoy competitive play, we toss on a cute skin and play some quickplay with the buds or solo. And even if you "can't really see your own skin" -- yeh you can. You see it for every frame of the game except when you're aiming and trying to kill people. Cosmetics make games infinitely more fun for games that would otherwise be boring as all hell to play for all the non-hyper competitive people in their playerbases...which is MOST of the playerbase.
I've never blamed the devs for the state of Overwatch, because the people that actually make the game really love their jobs, have tons of passion and want to make the best content they can. It all comes from above, the people in charge of how much budget they allocate to Overwatch over Diablo or WoW, or the Micrsoft takeover just laying off people to save money. I cannot wait for a time when more talented artists are hired, why is art always the first thting to go?
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It’s actually kinda crazy how Blizzard could 100% could make so much more money with adding skins on launch day with these amazing looking characters. Overwatch’s monetization is absolutely garbage since they only make skins for characters that are popular and strong but the character balance is so bad so they’re stuck giving more skins to characters that don’t need them.
It's because they probably made these skins first and when they run out... they run out.
Overwatch monetization has been dog shit since Overwatch 2 started. Original Overwatch was far better.
Man it’s almost like you didn’t watch the video
@@siovgaming2674everything I said was true….idk what ur talking about it’s just an opinion.
they cant make many skins anymore, thats why the few they do are for mercy or kiriko, they are desperate for money, they are running out of content for future seasons, everything you see is done months before
Simple answer: Because kiriko doesnt have enough skins.
I have even more simple. Blizzard just want money, they want you to buy all the skins ny pass or shop, your welcome
@@cala2137 If that was the answer juno would have came out with 5 new skins though
@@ashonline77 oh don't worry she will get it ;DD
@@ashonline77 there are 3 skins for Junl in the survey lol
Kiriko*
Not only skins but highlight intros too! The new ones are just heros staring at us and the camera zooming in, moving left or right and up or down.
Maybe, but consider this: Juno had concept for her skin in that survey while venture had none
Venture has some you just gotta look for it apparently venture not that popular compared to the other heroes
@@Mid_PotatoVenture, Baptise, and Lucio are 3 out of 4 of the characters that didn’t have skins in the survey
Sorry i meant that the community made concept art for them @@EdTheCreator
@@Mid_Potato all good. sucks the community can’t get skins added.
insane that genji had a skin concept in almost every theme for the recent survey but there wasn't anything for ram mauga or venture
This is why the battle pass and shop skins are so off to the Egyptian mythology theme for the season they have to use old skins not made for the season to use as replacements
Yeah, compare the consitency of content during the mirrorwatch season with now. Everything fit that one theme. Now we have egyptian gods, polar expedition, japanese mythology and heists all crammed into one season. They also brought back the kpop skins (which is nice for people who missed them but it's just another example of reusing already produced content.)
yeah it didnt really feel like it at all to me especially with the sigma skin. paladins made a Egyptian themed bp a long time ago and to me it was alot better then what ow2 released today
They've always mixed in unrelated skins, like even back in season 1 when they had a long leadup to launch, they put safari and military skins in the cyberpunk battlepass.
My guess is that up to Illari or Mauga, these were the cosmetics they had ready and that they worked on during the OW1 drought.
Now they are far behind on cosmetics and probably can't keep up, because of the layoffs. And this is why they release so many recolors per season. But it's still very weird how Kiriko keeps getting new skins every single season, sometimes even more than one!
It has to be money and demonstrating to investors/Microsoft that the game is viable as a financial entity. Then they can hope to increase output and get some staff back
Well, if they can make money with her skins they will prioritize them... I mean, if they can do 9 new original skins for a season, why they should make a zarya or a Ball skin over a Kiriko or Mercy skin? if a kiriko skin will make them earn much more money than the zaryas one and that will help the team to have money to produce new content on the future?
It's a question of popularity, if you can't right now make skins for all the characters because of money/number of devs, you need to make skins that you know people will buy a lot to make benefits and with that obtain resources from up because you are being profitable. it's simple capitalism, offer and demand.
I would love to see more Brig skins, but for every brig main there are 20 kiriko mains or 20 mercy mains. And even if they release a Brig skin on the shop, I will not buy it, but the Mercy/Kiriko mains... I remember see people on day one of season 10 with the Mercy Mythic. An skin you could obtain for 5$ on the season pass, they wasted 80$ to had it on day one. That's the reason they make so much Kiriko or Mercy skins right now, because if the character have a big playerbase, there are more chances that somebody will waste money on those skins and they will have more resources to make new future content.
The reason we're still getting more Kiriko, Mercy, and Genji skins despite the layoffs is simply because those are heroes whose skins are proven to sell extraordinarily well. From a business perspective, it makes perfect sense to prioritize making skins for heroes who consistently make the most money, especially when you're low on manpower, because if the game isn't making enough money, the suits at Microsoft aren't gonna reinvest more into the production of the game.
This is wrong.
@disturbedwaffles6653 exactly it's money. There's no " oh these are old skins ", no the art team is forced to make the same character skins because blizzard is broke
Im just waiting for the revival era where a lot of talented people are hired, making good skins for new and upcoming heroes, and fixing everything about the game. (Im in denial)
Mauga got the bonesplitter legendary skin from the battle pass when he was released
As well as the Magma legendary skin in that same season
Ok, but still too little! 🙁
@@austinmoe4865 you're right, that one was part of the season 8 ultimate bp
Every character up to Mauga had a BP skin alongside their release, but notice how since Venture was the first character to be released separately from the BP, they don't get a BP skin? The new heroes were a selling point for the BP, but now that they're not anymore, why bother when people don't need to buy the BP for the instant unlock?
i think they meant the base skins not from bp or shop
is no one gonna talk about how the portrait is cassidy during the kiri gameplay at 11:57
McCree is playing with Kiriko's Kunai and Suzu XD
Lmao I thought I was tripping for a sec😂
@@p4f120who's McCree?
That’s a new Kiriko skin, dummy /s
@@roamingtheinternet8652 who's Cassidy?
Honestly its so bizarre for overwatch to cancel big things like skill trees and pve, to then say pvp is the big focus where skins and the battlepassIS the content that is left, and then not be transparent with the community about the set backs. If they said "hey, layoffs hit, and we are behind schedule but working hard to catch up!" I think sentiment would be a ton better than "Venture will get a skin 2 seasons from now." :/
Ppl acting like players are needlessly whiney about no skins for new heros is setting the bar even LOWER bc uh. Overwatch SHOULD be atleast hyping up the overpriced skins they want to sell lmafo. Otherwise it feels like a lifeless skin factory, and an insult to players that enjoy characters but get nothing. Baptiste and Sojourm need more creative skins, and Ana, Kiriko, Mercy, Ashe can take a break in favor of Venture, Juno, Mauga, etc. Like. We don’t NEED another genji and soldier skin.
They forget that fans making aus and art of the skins was a HUGE hype factor for seasons. This season feels so out of place and random.
pve isnt even cancelled officially you know? they didnt announce it cancelation, scared too much about another low blow to the game reputation? thats why 6vs6 is coming back, is their last desperate attempt
@@verguco6051what are you even saying💀
@@verguco6051 uh.... yes, they did announce pve was fully canceled.
@@floraazul7622 never, there is no OFFICIAL announcement from BLIZZARD or any overwwatch 2 DEVELOPER, anything you read you have to take it as a rumor because the only source is an anonymous ex employee. i mean i have no hope they do anything but why so scared to say anything OFICIALLY? reputation of the game cant be lower
@@ProdLucio learn to read
I wouldn’t doubt if after the season 14 hero drops, blizzard comes out and says any hero after will now take 3 or 4 seasons to release instead of every other season like we have now.
they have to stop making heroes, balance is shit, juno is throw pick, but if they stopped making heroes they will ran out of the only thing that makes people come back to play this game
@@verguco6051Juno isn’t a throw pick people just suck with her and don’t know what characters work well with her imo.
@@EB-du3vh throw pick, her heals suck. overwatch 2 is about killing any teamwork so you should be able to do it fine alone
@@verguco6051 ive broken 25k healing on her in a couple games lol her healing is definitely not a throw pick
@@TyyLoz and you won, the other healers did more or less, how long match was? so far every match i had a juno on my team is defeat
9:21 Answer to the title question
fr like no hate to the creator and i dont want it to seem like my dopamine receptors are fried by short-form content but it feels like there is just nothing being said in the video like 80-90% of the time. Or repeating something he's said before. The video could've been 5 minutes. For long form content, fill it with: CONTENT. not yapping
@@PeterPqbrainrotten
@@AshuraGC literally read the first sentence in my comment. Im not complaings its long, im complaining that its intentionally dragged out without saying anything new 90% of the time
Im not sure what else i can say if youre unable to understand, do not reply
i think the point you make near the end about characters not being finished until their release is very real. Juno's ultimate voice line was changed and new effects were added to her abilities, plus more settings were added from her trial period, whereas venture and mauga shipped in the same state as their teaser.
I'm hoping that once they find their footing under new management they will go back and give all the new ow2 heroes more base skins - like that time when they added all those base loot box skins in ow1 (i think they were blizzard themed). Definitely not happening but i can dream.
Highlight intros have also taken a huge hit in ow2, venture only had 1 on launch, and only a few new heroes have 3 base game highlight intros. The quality of highlight intros has gone so far down too, we used to get action shots and now we just get smiles in slo mo.
Venture has 3 highlight intros, they added 2 more recently.
@@1gniel say sike rn
@@1gniel ok damn you right, that actually gives me hope that they may go back and give new heroes some more base cosmetics
Lets not forget characters like sojourn and junker queen have voice lines for shield generator an ability removed years ago. If i had to guess most these base models, voices, and lore for the characters were created by teams back in overwatch 1 era... Im guessing the art team is more focused on things like the promotional event skins such as one punch, kpop, and transformers. This is pretty sad though because as we add in more characters it just means we are going to get less and less skins over time for characters you enjoy and more focus on the big sellers like mercy, genji and kirko. Also means we are probably never going to get high quality cinematics again :/
Venture also has a shield generator voice line tho
They have those voice lines just in case. Better to have them in the game ready than not.
Wasn’t shield generator removed way before jq’s voice actor was even finalized? The original voice in ow1 junkertown is different from the current one right? Why would they even record lines for something that doesn’t exist anymore
@@Drakuma35 well they removed Cassidy's flashbang, then pretty much exchanged the stun for a hinder now. A bunch of iterations of a different ability only for it to end up slightly different from the first. So who knows they may add it back in the future
Juno as well. There's also level 3 turrets in OW2's as we saw with Torb's Community Crafted mode.
Kiri makes money, if Aaron and the team are looking to prove themselves to Blizzard and Microsoft: they have to prove the live service is financially viable.
Maybe then Overwatch can get back some staff/studio investment from their parent companies.
Could also be the reason we’ve seen almost nothing from Overwatch at conventions this year.
My corporate brain just thinks. "hmmm if its making enough money now then why would we spend more money to restaff them? We can just keep the money."
well microsoft fired everyone the moment they completed the buy, clearly they have no faith in ow2, they are witing until profits, which are not that great, get lower to close the game
I've had this exact thought too
@@verguco6051 Act/Blizz isn't going to do a massive layoff during the buyout, this would devalue them. Most of issue was known to MS after the buy is is complete.
Recently one of the skin makers said on Twitter that some decisions are out of their hands even if they don’t want to do it. I personally took that as them saying they want to give more skins to other heroes but that the higher ups tell them they must give some every season to the top selling heroes. Just my opinion
13:37
Boy do I have news for you. Not even 2 days after the release of Juno, we instantly got 3 concepts for skins. I wonder how far into her actual conceptualization it took before they started designing those. Also makes you wonder how far into ventures it took since it’s confirmed they won’t be getting a skin for another 2 seasons. If Juno gets skins before venture that says all that we need to know
I agree. Venture is getting treated like shit and as someone who really enjoys playing them, it’s frustrating.
@@otterpoppin you don’t need skins to play the hero 🤦
@@ffuyu missing the point
Devs are too busy cranking it to the waves of R34 that they no longer have the time to actually develop anything beyond their own goon juices. Truly tragic.
what a terrible day to have eyes
Whatever the reasons it's bad form not to communicate with your players. They could do an entire director's take about it but they're choosing not to.
That’s my biggest complaint like not giving skins on launch and then not addressing it, used to tell us if something was happening slow
I do agree that the timeline might add up. Six months is probably about what their production pipeline is. Might also explain why so many new skins have been recolors lately.
However at the same time it doesn’t really make sense because blizzard IS making new skins. They are just making them for characters that already have dozens of legendary skins. So on some level, someone at blizzard is deciding to prioritize making more skins for old heroes instead of new heroes. Which just makes no sense from a moneymaking perspective.
I mean a venture skin still isn't going to sell as well as a kiriko skin, and for the artists it's probably a lot harder to think of cool ideas for venture without making her too masculine or feminine. Juno is really weird they didn't release anything. If they don't have a juno skin out by midseason they're throwing away money.
the skin thing is not a big deal to me HOWEVER where i think they screwed the biggest chance to boost their game is in cinematics cause they kept us hanging on for too long now and i wanna see more lore ,like which side is hanzo on ,when will moira be in a cinematic ,when we will see overwatch vs talon huge fight like the last cinematic we got was KIRI EATING FUCKING DONUTS
I really must say that Overwatch has become way less fun for free to play people. You can’t get skins for newer champs and with the exclusion of loot boxes the amount of skins you get is very minor and all skins you receive are very predictable. I do not get why they don’t have a system like LoL or Apex, where you have a shop with highly priced skins AND a loot box system. Every skin could just get added to the lot pool after maybe two seasons. But, free to play people would have way more fun and might consider buying some things. The current system is really just plain and boring
they got rid of lootboxes because of asia
Venture did also get a Twitch Drops Rare recolour, but thats besides the point we rock eaters deserve better 😢
0:22 ...I feel called out...
Same
Recolors of old skins being priority over the newer heroes getting skins is ridiculous to me
they can open paint, recolor and old skin and sell it for $20, easy money, some idiot will buy it, taking the effort to make a new skin you will sell for credits, no money there
Ian sponsored? Impossible
12:22 hero icon seems a bit weird...
Bro is Kiriko but icon says he's playing Cassidy
If Juno gets a skin mid season, one that somehow didn't even appear in the tests servers, it's gonna look reeeeeally bad for Venture lol
No, it'll look bad for Blizzard because it throws the "they have no artists due to the layoffs" excuse out of the water.
screw venture lol
nobody wants to play with an ugly character, look what happened with Concord
@@katnumb1692Nobody wants to play with Generic characters. Venture ain't generic. They're an absolute gremlin. Also, this is the same game that launched with two Australians, one fat and masked, and the other crazy and hunched. That's not sexy or attractive at all.
@@katnumb1692 we don't talk about that abomination of a game
i think it’s pretty obvious half the hero’s added in OW2 have been completed for years and got shelved during the OW1 drought so they could pretend OW2 is a sequel
this is literally what they did with every content ow2 get, why ow2 doesnt feel like a sequel? because ow2 was going to be only the pve when they announced it, the pvp was going to be left intact, they canceled pve long before ow2 launch, so they changed the format to 5vs5 to justify the 2 and the few content already made or planned for ow1 has to be launched to have any content. the pve missions launched were playable in 2019 for fuck sake. now they have a seropus problem, lay offs happened on january, they have nothing for the future, all this content we get this year was done long ago
junker queen clearly was made for 6vs6 in mind, she as a tank is awfull, is just a dps, have no tanking abilities or way to protect you, she was an off tank
12:42 yo why is it a picture of cass but you’re playing kiri?
I WAS WONDERING THE SAME
Common bug
Bug happens when killcam portrait doesn't swap back to the hero you're playing when you respawn (a cass killed him)
so glad someone said it
I don't get it in any way, even if they did not have the budget for an extra skin, maybe they could've done one less Mercy skin and let that department at least make on legendary for Juno. People would impulsively buy the skin for Juno just because she's new, but truthfully some players will lose interest in her overtime, so if they launch a skin next season, the Juno hype is already partially over. No matter how you put it, giving Juno a skin would've been the best option. Venture could've received an Egyptian skin, which would've sold well too as many people do play Venture and their theme aligns with the battlepass theme. Literally who is making these awful decisions?
They probably have tens of Mercy skins waiting for release from OW1 and earlier OW2 days. Would not shock me if it came out that they've mostly been releasing older stuff and characters like Venture are much newer conceptually and everything and simply don't have that stockpile of work behind them. The lore behind Venture is nearly nonexistent, so perhaps they're just half baked at present.
Stuff that can be bought with credits is also probably at the absolute bottom of the priorities list though. I can't imagine they make any money whatsoever off of those.
They dont get new skins because they cannot afford one person to work on her skins or it might delay the next 50 kiriko/mercy skins.
Recently one of the skin makers said on Twitter that some decisions are out of their hands even if they don’t want to do it. I personally took that as them saying they want to give more skins to other heroes but that the higher ups tell them they must give some every season to the top selling heroes. Just my opinion
I know this isn’t really related to the topic, but did anyone else notice that during the Kiriko gameplay it was Cassidy’s portrait in the bottom left?
this is pretty much exactly what i think is the reason, but a couple more proofs to this speculation:
1. they talked about mythic skin production during season 1 and they mentioned how they worked several seasons forward with them which proves the buffer they have w production
2. the current battlepass being super off theme, a polar skin, heist skins etc, it definitely feels like they're scraping skins to fit into the season since their pace got messed up by microsoft purchase
3. they quite often talk about their walk run sprint mentality and it makes a lot of sense with how rn they're focusing on picking up the pace on gameplay, being balance gamemodes and heroes and they'll pick up the pace back on the skins soon
They wouldn't have this problem with balance if they just stayed 6v6 and balanced from there. They created their own problem and now they're in a mess they can't fix.
@@GummyDinosaursify nah
They’ll release the new skins eventually, they’re just ironing out the modes and heroes.
If people are assuming Venture hasn't been getting skins because they're nonbinary, that's dumb. They never would've even put Venture in the game in the first place if that was the case. Overwatch is queer as hell--Tracer, Soldier, Pharah, Baptiste, Lifeweaver, and now Venture. (Not to mention the PRIDE MONTH MIDTOWN variant and Venture getting an epic Twitch drop skin with the colors of the NB flag.) Why would they suddenly get bigoted now?
Venture and Juno getting no legendaries is starting to get me scared that something happened with the art team... Do they not have enough people to consistently design and model legendary skins? I'm worried it's not sustainable at this point.
Or maybe it's just laziness and they're really stingy with who gets skins. Idk. Would love an official statement on the situation from Aaron Keller.
I think it's more the fact people think people won't buy the skins because they're nonbinary. But that literally does not excuse them from not just adding them anyway.
Lw still is visually appealing , I think venture is an ugly design . Like queen isn’t good looking but she looks bad ass
The pandering is crazy
I think with venture they haven't gotten a legendary because the weapon is so unique, I mean how can you redesign a drill/canon thing to fit a skin concept while still looking similar enough. It still needs to resemble a drill, be around the same size, two handed and a way to fire the projectiles
12:03
Something is off about that Kiriko portrait...
14:11 😂😂😂 what … 😅 what is going on here you’re playing as Kiriko but your portrait is saying you’re playing as Cassidy 😂😂😂
New Kiriko skin
Oh good, I'm not the only one that noticed
Yeah, it’s obviously issues with production resources. There’s also been a sharp reduction in the rate of wholly new skins offered in the shop. Many more shop slots are filled by skins that were initially released at some earlier time, and many of the new skins are just new colors/textures on the model of an existing skin. It’s not a coincidence that this is happening at the same time that new heroes are releasing with fewer and fewer skins
Can you guys PLEASE stop bullying and demanding SO MUCH from this company? They literally just brought back that kpop collab for you (which you can buy for the reasonable price of 60 dollars). The reason poor Blizzard doesn't have the time and resources for this game anymore is because they're busy working on Overwatch 3 (I hear it'll have PVE!!) STOP COMPLAINING AND JUST GO TO THEIR SHOP TO BUY SKINS!!!
Hey, Overwatch 3 will never happen, just like a Diablo 5, a Starcraft 3, Warcraft 4 and many other games.
I’m so excited for 4v4 next game!
@@katzenlordghostcat6308sARcAsM
Aaron Keller alt account
This is definetly how the average player who actually buys every kiriko and mercy skin thinks
The simple answer is that they just want money, they don't get money by including even 2 'free' skins through legacy credits. They won't change until all of you stop playing and buying. $68 for the kpop skins the second round by the way. Nothing has gotten better or changed for this game.
So theyre planning out kiriko getting a skin every season months in advance? Man….
At BlizzCon they gave us four battle pass themes to look forward to and one of them was witches and wizards tank hasn't gotten a Mythic skin recently. So ram is the most likely pick to get a wizard Mythic
excited for another mercy witch recolour!!!! :D
or dva...
@@yomismo2689 since the dev wording was "witch" specifically, I agree. My bets are on dva
Yo! Prob mostly confirming things you've mention in the vid. This might be long, so I don’t know who will read it, but I'm someone who works in animation/general entertainment for almost a decade. I have friends who also worked at OW (not currently) and games/companies alike, and I can confirm that whether it's animation, art design, or 3D, most things you see have been done 2 years - 6 months in advance. In the worst cases, it can almost be a week-to-week or month-to-month when pushed against a really bad deadline by a poorly managed production from the higher-ups above your project. Now if these problems exist in OW2, my guess it's not Aaron and his team; it's more of who is above them and what they're being given to work with in terms of funding, time, etc.
Juno was announced last year, and as mentioned in the video her design was not final, and I am pretty sure even Venture's character was NOT completed around that time as well. In OW1 they had the pipeline/plan down in terms of the cosmetics and rewards they wanted to make. The game was in production for a LONG time and also had no financial pressure yet because no one knew what the demand for a game like OW at the time would be.
The OW1 team seemed to be at least 2 Heroes ahead most of the time. Where OW2 has changed their team basically once over, which means until they hire someone new, those art and dev duties either fall on someone who is in crunch time or being put on pause until they fill that role. I agree you CANNOT start marking skins or assets for a character you have NOT 100% finalized in their 3D model. You will end up going back and forth changing designs on every skin you had previously made...
As you saw, the devs, vfx, sfx teams had to change audio/visual elements for Juno after her beta test for their full release, which wasn't a lot of time. Sometimes in art or animation, simple things can take WAAAY more time to complete than you'd think it does. As for re-colors, I'm sure they are easier to pump out; however, while I cannot speak for any devs or artists, I am sure they would rather be making dope skins if they could for all the characters and prob are for future seasons.
Also to keep in mind, business, art, 3D, animation, etc, are ALL different departments. This does not mean Aaron or devs are pricing them. There is prob a lot of red tape and permissions they must get from people above them, which in turn can slow them down. I am sure they wish they had direct control over these things to change them sooner.
In the end, I think the team is in the process of getting their footing back and doing their best to get ahead of production. Hopefully they will be allowed to hire some people in the right departments needed so they can work comfortably in all roles.
Best comment here 💖
does anyone think its strange that this whole season is Egyptian themed and there isn't a single Ana skin?
Ana is literally the tier 1 skin in the battlepass
@MimiHasBrainrot your name really describes you perfectly. How does her japanese themed skin have anything to do with what I said
@@Rogue-76 you just said ana skin, not Egyptian ana skin
@@MimiHasBrainrot "This whole season is Egyptian-themed, and there isn't a single Ana skin." It's pretty self-explanatory, but that flew over your head. I guess that's my bad.
@@Rogue-76 "and there isn't a single Ana skin" is the emphasis so stop being an asshole
Bro got me listening to Sonic Heroes music while I cry at the state of Overwatch 2
dont give these devs a single dollar. every hero should at launch have at least a minimum of 3 epics and 1 or 2 legendries as base skins. yall keep awarding them for their bad behavior and here we are now.
Thank you for making this video! So many people are so heated about the cosmetics distribution, without considering the overall situation in the company at large. I’m so glad that you brought some of this to light!
I noticed that with heroes like lifeweaver, illari and mauga (specifically Illari) that at the start of their release there hasnt been much, but NOW theres a more consistent flow of content coming through like any other hero. like the battle pass skins and shop skins and collab skins. So i think its pretty likely that eventually overwatch will catch up to juno and venture like the last heros, but any new heros will have to go through the same process with no skins on release then a big break before getting a decent flow like normal.
I think it comes down to their decision making. They 100% could develop new heroes alongside at least 2 legendary cosmetics for their release if they didn't choose to make more skins for the same few heroes that are guaranteed to sell more. i think that with the fact that Venture isn't getting a legendary until December at the earliest, and that they didn't get any for the Egyptian mythology season is going to leave a lasting bad taste in players mouths. Especially if the new standard is releasing heroes with 0 legendary cosmetics and potentially not getting any until multiple months after their release. like 6v6 v 5v5 this is something blizzard will have to address eventually.
funny enough juno already has alot of skins in the skins survey but not venture. its pretty much a combination of the layouts and preference for heroes that sell more
Ian’s first sponsored!? Congratulations!
As someone who doesn't play Overwatch, I'm baffled. Why do they even make these ugly characters like Venture? It's obvious she won't be selling skins. But then launching a character without skins is even more baffling. Do they want to make money or not? Blizzard's execs are doing everything they can to bankrupt the company. Let's be real guys, Overwatch died with OW1.
People who say they want venture skins won't actually spend the money because ventures are ugly.
This just feel like they only use most certain characters for fan service.
Ive had the same idea's on them not making new skins as of late. You see the same issue with the Battlepasses having more recolors each season, or like this season where they threw in some of the arctic skins that they showed off before OW2 even launched. Seems like the majority of skins they are currently working on are focused on their colabs.
I think a decent way for blizzard to sort this is to bring back lootboxes. But. In a fun way. When you get to the extra tiers of the battlepass you shouls get a title and like 5 lootboxes in the earlier tiers and 10 in the later tiers. It makes it so people who dont want to spend all their money on the skins that you can buy in the hero gallery. Just a random idea i discuessed with friends
Yeah, people love her "personality"
I was actually planning on buying a juno skin and there just isn't any. They HAVE to be missing tons of money not releasing a new hero with cosmetics ready. Hype dies off... interest in the new hero falls off and people return to their old mains... It's stupid to not have skins on release.
I bet this has at least 80% to do with the massive layoffs in art departments after generative AI came out and companies thought it was way cheaper than paying actual artists... Which ended up being not true because the production is way worse.
You know, when you put it this way, I can actually see this being a real possibility
McCree icon border while playing Kiriko? Whaaaaaa???
its obvious they dont wanna make skins for characters that people dont like so they probably wont make a venture skin for some time because people doesnt really like her that much. Juno was a hit a pretty balanced character on release havent heard anyone complain about her being unbalanced and she defenitly will fit into a girl pop squad of something like that and they will most likely make alot of skins of her because of that
Yeah, this makes sense, I think. There are other ways you can tell that the Blizzard art team is severely understaffed and ill-equipped to handle the seasonal workload right now; consider, for example, highlight intros. People on Reddit at least have been complaining that a lot of the newer highlight intros are kind of boring or "floaty" and not as dynamic as some of the more interesting highlight intros we've had in the past. I bet a lot of this is a result of layoffs as well.
i dont know how blizzard works but i wouldnt be surprised if a big part of a big part of not as much new skins for new characters might be because its now a free to play game so they want to make sure skins for a character will sell because its where they get their money from so theyll want to give the popular characters the skins instead
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How would they fund the game if they stopped focusing on cosmetics? It’s a ftp game, pve isn’t happening anymore, new heroes are free, nd i highly doubt they’ll survive off battle pass sales alone (and those literally are all cosmetics). This isn’t $40 price of entry overwatch 1 anymore. Cosmetics are literally how they keep this game alive
Honestly I can see it being an issue. Plus they know kiriko and mercy will always sell skins so it's a golden goose they know they have and wouldn't risk what dwindling resources they have on new heros
I think they are just creating hype around the character through the principle of scarcity of skins, in order to have everybody buy the legendary skin as soon it goes out.
Even if shop skins are cooler/rarer, a lot of people would just buy the non-shop ones and be satisfy with one of those
Pretty much the conclusion I had. Love Juno or not, if Blizzard doesn't release a cute buyable skin for her by mid season (with a slight buff), then just write Overwatch as it's dead. Go to Marvel Rivals, Deadlock, or Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
What if I keep playing Overwatch?
what if i keep playing too
@@hugo-zi6gmenjoy mid then
Well you will be playing an unsupported game. If they can't support what will make money, then they wouldn't support basic maintenance.
@@dangeki5902 what if i don't think it's mid and actually enjoy the game?
i think the skins situation is more upsetting for loreheads, even with the battle pass skins there’s just a focus on pumping out poorly thought out skins people will probably want to buy rather than in overwatch one where a lot of new skin releases related to an aspect of gameplay (junkenstein stuff) or an actual chunk of at least some part of lore (captain horus, blackwatch reyes etc). it feels like the new devs have just abandoned the lore at this point :’)
even with these skins on the battle pass they can’t stick to a theme, like with the egyptian theme now, only a few of the new skins surround it - the others are oversimplified - mercy, tracer. sad to see how disorganised they’ve become
They should release a skin of her with the original armor concept art… that would be sick
This all definitely makes sense, seems the problems caught up with them because this current season is honestly a little lackluster in comparison to the content before.
Agree it's cooler to have heroes over skins, but still.. season 14?! That means we have to wait for this and the next one to end before we see anything cool.
I'll save you 17 minutes.
Money.
I think it's good and healthy to talk about things like layoffs and their effects on the gaming industry. I know everyone likes to blame devs as an easy explanation, but often times they're being massively held back.
im pretty sure blizzard outsources the skins. so the hero is done, and then the model sent to the outsourced company to work on skins and meanwhile they release it.
i just wish they'd take a battle pass and specifically focus on new heroes, we don't need more skins for past heroes
Ngl people who don't realize, this bp seems like a patchwork season, because formalwear mercy, polar skins, etc. seems out of place
Also at the 12 minute mark you see him play as kiri but it says he’s Cassidy.
Kinda crazy how there are people complaining about not having cosmetics to buy, and then there are people that complain Overwatch monetization is greedy and scummy. Well, if there are no skins to buy, there's no greed right?
no one is talking the fact that reaper mythic is the only mythic skin in the entire game without weapon varitations which such a bumber since its literally one of the best mythics in the entire game
Simple answer : where reaching the point in a live service where skins and content will start slowing down. Until it goes into maintenance mode.
Are you dumb? Overwatch is bigger than cs2 (not revenue wise but daily player count), they're not about to ramp down.
I've noticed an overall dip in quality. The shop is selling recolor skins for full price WITHOUT any name cards or icons, but new skins usually have name cards or icons (maybe even a weapon charm, and if you're really lucky, an emote). Highlight intros aren't actually interesting, the most recent Mei one is by far the laziest. She looks up, smiles, and waves. That's all the highlight intro is. Victory poses and emotes are now one in the same. If it's an emote, it's probably a victory pose as well, and vise versa.
Blizzard is running out of steam, it's only a matter of time until Overwatch goes under unfortunately. Which sucks that it happens right when I get a support character with movement and abilities I've always been wanting! Juno is fun to play! It's just not fun to see any cosmetics for her despite her being so popular. She's been teased since Season 4 (I could be wrong, but that's a long time to sit and wait on a character). The fact that she was in the works so long and still doesn't have any skins is appalling.
Also, Justice for Venture and Ramattra. Venture deserves legendary skins and Ramattra should've had the mythic this season (if you look closely at the reaper mythic, there are robotic parts that... Reaper clearly doesn't have, but Ramattra does...).
EDIT: I had "overall" twice in one sentence.
Maugas beach skin shouldve been a credit skin because just like jq and many other heroes, its a skin that has smth to do with how the character was shown in the past, for jq her skin is the way she looked during her cinematic trailer, and for mauga thats the way he looks the first time he was introduced (baptiste comic)
I've noticed there is alot less skins in the battlepass now. Also I think I can remember that new heroes used to get a legendary or epic skin in the battlepass???
I believe Arron specifically said that legendary skins take at least 6 months of development time so the layoffs definitely could be a factor
That is rediculous. Realistically something like that could be done in a week by a single experienced 3d artist. If it takes 6 months thats 100% the fault of horrible management.
No way, Who tf would believe that bullsh*t
@@sonderbain wrong actually. No artist could make blizzard level quality in a week. And the people that do make models in a week arent that high quality even if effort is put into them.
6 months?! Jesus
Are you sure it wasn’t mythical that take 6 months?
Honestly new characters don’t get skins on release purely off popularity, this isn’t event a ow2 thing. Why release/put effort into skins for characters that aren’t popular knowing it won’t sell.
On top of everything it’s dev/people ahead of the skin board’s favouritism 🤷♀️
Thought it is odd that they don’t release with skins at all
This video does bring up a great point aswell
The skins being released now were processed and made months ago back when Blizzard had a fuller staff. Those people were laid off over the last year, so new skins are gonna be harder to come by. For a similar reason, PVE isn't being made: there weren't enough people dedicated to it, and Blizzard couldn't figure it out in a way that made battlepass-level money.
Playing Kirkio has a Cassidy icon!!! 👀
Lifeweaver doesn’t have more content like voice lines and he needs more skins. So does ramattra cause I’m still pissed that he didn’t get the mythic skin.
also i just realised on about 12th minute when you were playing kiriko, you were also secretly playing cass
The reason they don't launch with any, and still don't get any, is exactly that... they want you to purchase the pass for em, or from the shop... another way to milk some money from people, and I don't see that changing any time soon.
No I don't need a manta sleep mask, I need that chonky Hammond plushie.
12:02 That's not Kiriko!
I was looking for this comment!💀
I personally believe that this slow down in content for Overwatch 2 stems from over-ambition. Even in blizzards current state, they did mention before the Microsoft acquisition occurred how mythic skins take a lot of development time and that they’re not able to keep up with the quality standard they set for themselves at launch. Not to mention that the process of making each legendary takes a lot of time, some can take as long as a mythic to make. Not just that, but apart of making a skin also requires them to use their own source code, which could also create technical issues. Very weird things can occur from any content addition, like skins making players unable to be rendered by enemies, giving an advantage. So making 2 legendaries for a new hero every 2 and a 1/2 months is an unrealistic expectation unless they plan ahead of time and begin developing skins to launch with these new characters. Seeing how much people blizzard lost, I imagine coordinating that will take some time before they’re able to do that again.
I personally don’t have a problem with them adding more cash grabs before they fix the game tbh. 🤷🏾♂️ hopefully that’s where the focus is.
Because apparently Blizzard has a strong obvious favouritism for Kiriko and Mercy
11:09 based on how undercooked juno's ability interactions with other hero abilities feel, id say youre right on this point
personally the cosmetics are like 90% of why I play this game (and other games like it). If I can't look cool WITH a character I like to play -- I'm gonna stop playing after a short while. I know a LOT of players feel like me when it comes to stuff like this, where if you aren't one of the top 1% sweats that actually enjoy competitive play, we toss on a cute skin and play some quickplay with the buds or solo. And even if you "can't really see your own skin" -- yeh you can. You see it for every frame of the game except when you're aiming and trying to kill people. Cosmetics make games infinitely more fun for games that would otherwise be boring as all hell to play for all the non-hyper competitive people in their playerbases...which is MOST of the playerbase.
I've never blamed the devs for the state of Overwatch, because the people that actually make the game really love their jobs, have tons of passion and want to make the best content they can. It all comes from above, the people in charge of how much budget they allocate to Overwatch over Diablo or WoW, or the Micrsoft takeover just laying off people to save money.
I cannot wait for a time when more talented artists are hired, why is art always the first thting to go?