4 Strokes Lighter than 2 Strokes? | Honda CRF250RX and CRF450RX Weight
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In this video, we'll be showing the actual riding weight of both the 2022 Honda CRF250RX and CRF450RX in stock form with full fluids. You might be a bit surprised!!
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It’s the rotating mass that makes the big 4 strokes feel heavier. They also feels more top heavy.
Also more planted. In my opinion.
@Rider_9 the yz is the heaviest feeling 250f aswell, wait till you try a honda as they are known for their nimbleness.
Naaa. What makes it top heavy is my 235 pound butt on top😆
A 2'" to the height of the bike, and now you know why so many riders stink with corner speed. Just look at the new generation with Go-Pro at their track. We were never that slow in the corners in the 80's and 90's. Not even the "C" racers. I will enjoy my 2019 YZ250 2-stroke 212lbs (no fuel), that is lowered. 4-strokes forced on the industry is the worst thing that eve happened to MX. The 1986 production rule was the worst thing until the epa/government economic fascism of the 4-stroke.
@@EarthSurferUSA while you are right about the corner speed, the sport has evolved into big air and hard landings. It’s not about being fast in the corners anymore. It’s about riding wheelies through the whoops, looking cool in the air and selling bikes, gear, drinks ect. I just recently started going to the track and spend more time on the turn track than the GP track. I stay away from the main track. I suck too bad but hey, i just started riding dirt about 2 years ago.
Can’t wait to see how it compares to YZ250FX and KX250X.
I’ve been waiting for years to see this comparison. Glad to see the major updates to the 22 crf250rx . I can’t wait to see the slight differences, just love the channel and your reviews. Still in snowmobile mode now in Manitoba. Go Team Red.
Hi Kyle, I only have the use of my left arm and started out riding on a CRF450X that weighed a tonne!! I persevered for 18 months but have recently changed to a Sherco SE300 and man what a difference! Absolutely love my 2-stroke Sherco..... she's sooooo much lighter!
P.s. love the videos mate!
Karl 💪
Wait so you only have a left arm?.
Or is your right arm disabled.
Either way your amazing if your riding
@Liam Wilson my right arm was paralysed in a motobike accident back in 2003 so I only ride using my left arm 👍
I thought that Serico is a communist china made bike. Isn't it communism that taught you profit is bad?
Guess who you helped fund?
No big deal. We are mostly too stupid of a people to save our liberty and free enterprise system, so lets all fall to communism together, shall we?
@EarthSurferUSA looks like we are too stupid to know that Sherco is a French bike! And the only thing I've "funded" is my happiness!
Now, off you trot to hijack another thread with your political nonsense! This thread is for bike lovers not conspiracy theorists!
@@EarthSurferUSA tf sherco isn't Chinese. It's far from it buddy.
Go somewhere else with ya politics
Looking forward to the comparison!
I'm looking forward to it too!
The new 250 I think is going to be your favorite 4T yet. For video ideas when it comes time to test it, I think me and a lot of guys would like to see/hear the difference with that soft map in tech riding. We've heard it high rpm scream in other vids but nobody else has demonstrated that feature. Nice vid, thanks!
I think so too!
Will do. For the most part, I haven't been impressed with any of the "softer" maps on any of the bikes I've owned.
@@Captain250FX 10-4!
@@kylebrothersen6335 I just picked up a 22FX so I’d be really curious on your opinion RX vs FX?
@@Captain250FX or wr-f vs crf-rx
Looking forward to this series of videos. I've always been a Kawasaki fan. But these new Honda's look sick. I am hoping you do a in-depth comparison. Between the Honda 250RX and the Kawasaki KX250X you had as well. If I were to get a 4 stroke in the future it would be between one of these two bikes. I really wish Kawasaki took Endruo more seriously. The 250X was a baby step in the right direction. Now we just need a 6 speed, some lights, a radiator fan, and a bigger fuel tank. Keep up the great work.
250 Pounds is pretty good. My CRF450L (basically a street legal x) weighs 310 ready to ride with 3 gallon gas tank and all the aftermarket stuff. I could get it down to about 285 if I take off all the aftermarket stuff and put the stock gas tank back on. Pretty light for a dirt bike that can go 100MPH on the road. Good video with the real weights of bikes.
"250 Pounds is pretty good." It is 2 in the morning, and you have had to much to drink at the bar.
250 is a fat pig.
Good to know thx so much!! Can’t wait to see you rip it with the 250rx !! Still waiting for my 250rx to come in cheers Kyle …
I’m guessing he’ll like the 250 better than the 450?!
@captain 250rx maybe better trail riding then the 450rx… 450rx has lots of power !! More fun in the 250rx
Those bikes look so sick! Thx Kyle
Looking forward to the 250 review.
I wish us Canadians could get in on these sweepstakes bikes!! My son would love that 65!!!
A shootout between this Crf250RX and the Yz250FX and the KX250XC would be cool. And a 250 XC-F aswell ✌️
I would love to see you back on the new 2022 Beta 390 race edition.
I'd love to hear your comparison to the 2019 version that you enjoyed so much .
Cheers 🍻
I don't know why folks weigh the bikes with gas in them as bikes have different capacities. And yet we have to put gas in all of them...
nitpick I know, I can multiply and subtract to take the fuel wt. back out. Awesome to have you out there giving us actual weights! So that 450RX, with e-start, is only about 15 lbs heavier than my kickstart YZ250 (also w/ no lights or counterbalancer, and a small tank so less plastic and etc). Also you already have this history of weighing these bikes on that scale and full of fuel (I presume as I would hope a new Gas Gas 300 is not 246 lbs or whatever)...
Looking forward to your opinion on the 250 vs 450 for your riding.
That 250 is the bike I want in the worst way possible. I hope I have a new bike comes July
Thank you Kyle for all these long term reviews. The information and feedback that you provide us regular riders is the best in the industry! I'm a long time KTM rider, but always ready to make a change if someone else has something better for me. It will be interesting to see how that new 250RX performs. I'm considering a newer 250 four-stroke for the next bike.
He had the 450 for a month, and got the 250 a day ago. Define "long term review", because I evidently have no idea what that means. Can you help me out here? :)
@@EarthSurferUSA Long term review is simply having the bikes for a few months and putting out a series of reviews on different aspects.
Kyle cr250rx versus yz250fx !! you would have everyone waiting for that one.
Man these new RX's are badass.
Ya my dual sport from KTM is under 250 pounds. That’s a larger fuel tank than those Hondas, mirrors, turn signals, tail light, plate, headlight, and tubes too. Things are getting lighter
From canada to utah, keep up the good work.
Would be interesting to put a fish scale or something along those lines and attach it to the bars. Have something that measures angle and see what the weight difference is up top.
Thanks Kyle loving these Honda videos
Awesome to see more Hondas!!!👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Look forward to the 250 review, if it has enough go for hard enduro
It's an mx gearbox. You need to add about 12 teeth to the rear to match the FX first gear and then your top speed is about 40mph without revving.
@@Superdisco199 dude! Your tarded.
@@Scottstunts *You're.
I'm an older rider. 72 years old.. I will stick to my beloved 300 2 strokes.
Can’t wait for the next sweepstakes!
Keep up the great content😁
my dream bikes
im excited to see how the 250 does. i almost pulled the trigger on same bike but ended up finding a basically new 2018 250xcw tpi with 30 hours. still wish i had the brand new honda but feel like i made the better choice for the riding around here (southeast singletrack)
30 hours is near new? I do Michigan single track, (CCC trails), and that is 2 hrs once a week for 3.5 months.
@@EarthSurferUSA Are you racing or trail riding? Most people who trail ride put a lot more than 2hrs on their bikes in a day. 30hrs is pretty new
The question is, does chasing light weight reduce reliability?
No. This is not the early Mountain bike industry when they got so light they would start breaking frames and such. But my 2-stroke is about 20-30 lbs lighter, and i have to spend about $150.00/year for a new piston kit. Oh yea, the bike only cost me $6,500 with about 4 hours of run time on it. My question is,---why is a 4-stroke worth it? Because kids today don't know enough math to mix oil in the gas?
No surprise there. Sherco's 300SEF 4 stroke has been lighter than the 300SE 2 stroke since 2017, by around 2kg
So nice, the 250rx is in the garage :)
Weighed my 17 450xcf with tugger handles, a side grab handle and an EE extreme skid with my 4 wheel race scales a few weeks ago against a buddies carb’d 300xcw. 237’on the 450 and 259 on the xcw. We were pretty shocked. The 450 feels heavier in the front while riding but surprisingly the scaling of the 450 with and without rider was more rear weight biased. Must be a part of why they seem to have so much traction???
how do you keep your bikes so shiny? Maybe make a video on what you do to get them "showroom ready"?
Four strokes are naturally heavier because of the engine. The aussies also love their steel frames vs the aluminum
You can also say the EPA naturally makes things more expensive. We would not be riding 4-strokes with out their force.
@@EarthSurferUSA seriously out of all the things to regulate they pick two stroke dirt bikes 😂
We pray nightly that you will find your way back to the light side of the force. Dirt biking IS two stroke riding! Lol.
The RX is really just a motorcross bike with a cross country model name (just buy an R and put a sidestand and big tank on). The FX is really an enduro bike with a cross country model name (it's virtually part for part the same bike as the WR) so you can't really make direct comparisons. The FX is more comparable to the 3kg heavier CRF250X (Honda's last ACTUAL 250F enduro bike) and the same weight '22 FE250.
No heat guard on the pipes?Bye Bye expensive pants!Great content,love the videos!
Been waiting over a decade for Honda to make a proper lightweight enduro bike. Great to see.
But I keep hearing this isn't an enduro bike, but rather a Cross Country racer. How I wish it were more enduro oriented.....
@@easternyellowjacket276 I rocked a Husaberg FE570 in enduro for 10 years, lots of technical single track, it's all about perspective, lol
@@stonecoldcustoms yes. Then you realized what a mistake it was when a small bore 125 went zooming by.
@@easternyellowjacket276 nope. It was a workout but it was an enduro beast. I embarassed many small bore bikes with it. The 70 degree bikes were way ahead of their time.
Man i tell ya, going from my ‘19 WR450 to my ‘21 KX250F, the KX feels 40 LBS lighter. It’s crazy how they have engineered these bikes to feel lighter than they actually are. I sure love it though.
I’m looking forward to my new 2022 GASGAS EC300 tpi after four WR 450’s. Two that I still have. 2009 and 2010. Kyle has to remember to compare apples to apples. Motocross to motocross. Enduro to enduro.
@@TheKitchenTechnician I have been wanting to trade the WR for a 350 4T or a 300 2T but I really love the WR. It will probably stay.
@@BigDaveTALKS I've just moved off my '17 wr250f to my new 2021 wr450f and I'm loving it a lot.
It just has the power to go everywhere although before I got the 450 I'd only riddin my friends 450s a couple times so I'm still getting use to the power.
Yamaha did a great job designing the wrfs, one of my friends has a 2009 wr250f and it can compete with some of the newer 250s in my friend group
@@liamwilson1948 That's awesome. I actually hated mine when i first got it. My first DB since i was a kid and it didn't have the map option. I put the ecm and map switch on and practiced for a month at the house(with LOW power) before i went out on the trails again. Now 2 years later, i absolutely love the thing.
You are right, they designed these bikes to perform for years to come.
Most of us need to worry more about our weight than the bikes weight.😂
Great bikes for more open flowing stuff. Super tight....not so much.
Mostly motor mass making difference?
Probably the more olden days all the displacements shared the same chassis.
The two-stroke's carry oil, starter,counterbalancer and exhaust valve now.
I don't recommend grabbing any 4 stroke header, even if the bike has been on for like 20 seconds.
Was surprised when buddies FX350 was the same weight as my 300XC 😳
But 350 feels heavier, But 350 is more planted. Give and Take but still so much better than the old 250lbs 4Ts
Rotanional mass plays a big role
Totally agree! Recently was riding/comparing 125 to 250f back to back and it’s amazing the differences. 125 2T felt soo light and nimble, but was also very skittish and hard to out the power down. 250 4T was slower to maneuver, but put the power down soo much better and controlled and pulled for days.
Im probably going to continue to enter your sweepstakes exclusively just because i cant find shirts Anywhere that fit and feel as good as yours lol moto shirts that are worth a damn and chance to win stuff. Deal
I’ve been looking for a skid plate for my 250rx, what one did you end up ordering? Thanks for the videos and can’t wait to see what you think of the new bike! 👍☝️
I wore that shirt yesterday.
I have the 2020 Crf250R ..thinking about the 450RX but like the new 250RX aswell...can't wait to hear what you think of the 250?
Since you’re reviewing 450s now, why not review a KTM 450 XC-F?
Just got my first trail bike a ktm 2004 250 exc any tips on handling that 2 stroke and improving technical riding….. I already smoked myself messing around in a corn field🙃
That is a great model year. I owned a 2004 KTM 250 SX and enjoyed it off road, despite the lighter flywheel weight. If the power is too snappy for you, there are options. You can either change out the powervalve springs or get a flywheel weight for it. If you haven't been to KTMTalk, it's a great forum board with a wealth of information and helpful folks.
My 1st bike. Suzuki SP125. The 80's Rocked!
When you say Trail Weight, do you mean how heavy it feels when you are pushing it out of a mud hole? That is trail weight is to me.
Dumb question, with CA CARB regulations on 2022 motorcycles, where can you ride them now? I know race tracks but any places you recommend? I’m in Monterey.
I am excited about the 250, is there a LED headlight that can go on it easy.
I've been riding my rx250 in some gnarly New England tight Rocky Woods and it performs amazing suspension Works amazing through the rocks I've never liked the KTMs suspension feels like they move way too much
Now that you're diving back into the 4 strokes a bit, have you considered trying the yz450fx?
weighting bikes with full tank isnt really fair as bigger tank just gives the bike disadvantage.
shouldnt you be comparing 125cc two-strokes to 250 4 stroke weights?
My old ktm 09 sxf250 219 lbs. 6 gears. Fun to rip on now and then.
Finely you got the 250. Can't wait 2 c the comparison.
It looks like it has a 20 lb muffler. Ha
I just wish they still made 2-srokes...
I feel like my 450 never gets any traction ever like literally ever how do u manage to hookup the 450rx so easily
So, is this what we are suppose to do if we can't afford our own bike anymore? lol
Bought a 2021 yz250x new. It felt so top heavy to me. I didn't like that bike. Traded it in for a 2022 kx250x and it feels lighter to me even though it's not on the scale.
Do you mean 250fx? Fx is 4 stroke. 250x is 2 stroke
my 2000 Honda CR250R weighs 210lbs.
After you are comfortable on the 250rx borrow someones 250f. Is it worth the price difference?
That's interesting, I weighed my 06 CRF450 the other day cuz I bet sum1 it was heavier than their 21 YZ250 by 20lbs. I lost the bet, mine was 255 & his was 246.
2019 YZ250 2-stroke, 212 with no fuel. Feels good in motion. :)
Gas is about 7lbs/gallon. Water is 8lbs/gallon. Gas is a bit lighter.
I think you will be surprised by the 5 speed. I can’t speak for the Honda but I had a 6 speed ktm excf and now have a 5 speed ktm xcf. Prefer the 5 speed tranny in every way.
Awesome bikes
Do you think if you installed a recluse Auto clutch to prevent stalling a 4-stroke would be just as good if not better than a two-stroke, your opinion appreciated
Rekluse is a good company and a good product, but it's not for me. Send me an email and I'll give you more info :). kyle at dirt bike channel dot com
@@DirtBikeChannel last weeked on my YZ250X found out had 2 broken and one cracked rib! Was in lot of pain and a ruff H/S track the Rekluse was the only thing that helped me keep going. And no matter what scales say a 2 stroke will allways out turn a 4 stroke!
what year are u talking about hellooo???????
My 2021 GasGas EX250F is seven pounds lighter than my 2021 Husky TX300i, so yes, four strokes can weigh less.
Whiskey throttle a 450 on a tight single track let me know how that works out for you.. just sayn
Is 10w40 motul transoil oil ok to run in a 2014 xcw250
What skid plate do you use I cant find one for my 2022 crf250rx?
Shouldn't you be comparing that 250rx to a 125? If you're comparing 300 two strokes, compare them to 450's not 250's.
If they put the technology behind 2 strokes that they did 4 strokes and everything else is the same, 2 strokes would always be lighter.
Beautiful bikes but would rather have a new 22 Yamaha 2 stroke.
Can rebuild a 2 stroke with a butter knife! When that 4 stroke blows after a few years you have a very expensive boat anchor.
Beautiful bikes. Just too bad 4 strokes are so dam loud and you need to re mortgage your house to fix them when some goes wrong.
Are tubeless tires lighter or heavier than tires with tubes?
Heavier
Imagine these bikes with modern HONDA 2t engines.....
Put your scale away and ride them......this is the only way you will find validity in how the bike feels on the trail.......who cares what they weigh on the stand? I don't know how many bikes I've ridden in 50+ years and it is in the riding that we find truth.
Steel frame 300
280/266
Yamaha has not changed anything. Kawasaki is best motocross bikes n the fastest on roads
250 is going to feel lighter and slower
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Too bad. Sounds like these bikes would suck in the type of riding that dominates were I live: Tight woods, with rocks, roots and mud. The motor on the 250 sounds like it would fare well and the light weight is an added bonus. But the tranny and suspension are not suitable. Too bad.
I just want to see everyone buy a 1000cc. class
Either way there both to fucking expensive
4 stroke = NEVER!!
Im still wondering what to get 250rx or 450rx idk but thanks for the videos @Dirtbikechannel
250F should really be compared weight wise to a 125 or 150 2 stroke.
And, it still loses weight when swapping out the 250f motor for a CR500 motor…