Yes absolutely! Also would like to know if there's any more Similarities between Native American and indo Europeans my background is very admixture I'm Irish,indigenous American, Portugal, Spain, Poland,Norway, and African and many more in between! Love your topics of migration too! ❤
I'm not super into the zodiac, but I always find it sad that most of us live in places where we can't see many stars. I went camping a few weeks ago, far from any city or large town, and was shocked by how many stars I could see. 🌟
In the future, the real and fake clouds and Starlink satellite chains will be replaced by Dyson spheres that reproject what you would have seen outside when you're not getting your regularly scheduled cloud movements. A lot is possible and has already been done before by far more technologically advanced species than ours. We weren't designed to be the sharpest tools ever created, which is why so many of us are so deathly afraid of AI. Clue for these folks - God invented AI almost before he invented anything else, and for the same reason - delegating powers he didn't want to have to deal with personally. Who wants to be the almighty micromanager of an expanding multiverse that finally invented golf courses worthy of a semi-retired god that wants a little privacy once in a while?
Recently (couple of years ago, I think) the power went off in Southern California, and they reported on the news that week that the number of terrified people calling 911 to report what they *thought* were incoming bombs was crazy. Turns out that they had never seen stars before. The reporters laughed, but I thought it sad.
I’m an Ophiucan and lifelong science nerd. Whenever anyone asked me what sign I was I would tell them Ophiucus, which invariably got me nothing but a blank stare in response. Interestingly, no one ever asked me what I was talking about or showed any curiosity about my answer. Maybe they thought I didn’t understand their question and I was telling them I was from some obscure country called Ophiuc.
BIG FAN of your work. I am a professional astrologer (with an educational background in psychology) rooted in archetypal symbology and ancient mythology (I include Ophiuchus lol) I reference your work often. truth be told I was worried going into this video that you (like many academics) were going to have far too literal of a lens to cover this topic from a perspective that gives it the respect it deserves, I was wrong - this was fabulous. will be joining your Patreon, did I hear you mention before that it grant access to a giant mythological database?
I love to study myths and astrology. Ophiuchus was recognized in both tropical and sidereal systems. It is tied into the Scorpio's story and bridges to Sagittarius. It brings different layers to those zodiac signs. As in regards to placement in the 12 houses it's considered to be part of Scorpio 8th house: Death and Transformation. It could be considered a hidden zodiac in relationship with the 12 tribes of Israel because Levi is a hidden tribe, the priest class. If it becomes designated as its own zodiac and house it will become the 9th and the wheel will shift, Pisces will go from the 12th spot to the 13th. One thing I dont like is modern astrologers don't know their astronomy. They use computers that dont take the wobble into account and their charts are all wrong. Historically you needed astronomy and you looked through a telescope. So now they say its symbolism. Nope, people are lazy and dont want to study astronomy and learn to hand plot natal charts or readings like they did in the past. One day I want to be able to correctly plot natal charts using a telescope 🔭 after Im done with all my biology classes. Love your videos. Thank you. Im a sun pisces, lunar capricorn, rising leo and north node sagittarius born in the year of the wood rabbit. My three pillars are all rabbits. My hidden fourth pillar will stay hidden. As for the Vedic system, I shift into Aquarius but Im a Pisces hands down. 🐟☺️🐟
There is a longtime misunderstanding there. Astrology is about the movement of planets (+sun & moon) along their apparent (i.e. geocentric) path in the sky. This path (the zodiac) has been arbitrarily divided in twelve equal 30° parts, called the signs. This division is based on the seasons, that is on equinoxes and solstices, on the orbit of earth around the sun with respect to its inclination. Not on the stars in the background. Since Antiquity we know that this path is not constant, and Kepler/Newton have showed why. SOME constellations (12) have been named for these signs. For example, people born in deep summer having the traits of lions, the sign got the name of Lion and afterwards the group of stars got that name. The rest of star clusters have been named later, by the Greeks, for mythological figures in the greek pantheon: Andromeda, Pegasus, Cassiopea, Procyon, Orion... and Ophiuchus. These are NOT zodiacal constellations! ( Probably the Chaldeans didn't need to name star clusters for themselves.) Anyway, the idea of a constellation is totally arbitrary, no law exists to attribute a star to this or that cluster. It is only very recently (end of XIXth c.) that a precise pattern of cutting the celestial sphere in zones has been designed, keeping the old name constellations for these zones. Among which Ophiuchus has been extended into the Zodiac and other "sign" constellations have spilled over. So, neither the signs, nor the personalities associated, are derived from constellations. It is the other way around: those 12 constellation names are derived from the signs they were in, during those ancient times. Today, there is discrepancy between signs (seasons) and constellations (sky) because of the equinoxial precession since those times. For example, the vernal equinox is on 0°Aries in Signs, but somewhere in Aquarius in Sky. Who cares? Astrology is about seasons and personality, not about astronomy.
I do explain in the video that some believe that astrology is focused on the equatorial zodiac, and so focused on the seasons. But I am not explaining how equatorial zodiac based astrology works, I am explaining how astrology began and evolved.
@@MarcusCactus astrology is different from astronomy. At least that’s how I’ve understood it. Astrology is where the zodiac takes prominence. Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies. I believe the video is about the evolution and cultural impact of astrology. Crecganford is right when he states he’s discussing astrology and not astronomy.
Chinese and Vedic astrology is so complicated. Chinese - not only the year, but the hour and minute when you were born. I'm a metal Ox, but have almost no Yang in my chart. Vedic I'm a Libra, because they work off the moon (Western Scorpio). Fascinating stuff. Thanks for this rabbit hole dive into astrology.
Another stellar lesson Jon. Very informative, interesting and captivating as always. Keep up the great work and have a great weekend. Look forward to your next lesson as always. 😊
Great video! Have you covered the history of Magic & Prohibitions? Seems in middle-ages many where practicing magic, so much it hand to be banned at the University of Paris in 1398...... "In 1398, the University of Paris issued a condemnation of magic, known as the "Condemnation of Magic" or "Condemnations of 1398." The University of Paris was one of the most prestigious educational institutions of the time During that period, there was a growing concern among religious and academic circles about the practice of magic and occult arts. The Condemnation of Magic was a response to these concerns and sought to regulate and suppress the use of magical practices. The document specifically targeted a wide range of magical activities, including divination, astrology, alchemy, necromancy, and other forms of occult practices. It condemned those who engaged in such activities, considering them heretical and in violation of Christian teachings."
This was great!! I too do not believe that anything can predict the future. That being said, there are archetypal themes in the 12 zodiac signs, the different aspects between the planets and what they signify and by keeping those "life lessons" constantly in the forefront of our minds, it helps us be more intentional about life, rather than living in a haphazard way without personal growth.
In Lascaux cave in western France there is a cave art depiction of a large Bull on the wall. A closer look shows the Bull has seven dots around its eye. This is not a physical biological Bull it is the Taurus constellation. The Bull clearly has seven dots around its eye. This clearly is the Taurus constellation as no Bull has anything similar in reality. I think the cave art is around 30,000 years old. It is attributed to the Cro-Magnon. So even that far back the constellation is associated with the Bull. A full zodiacal precession takes around 25,772 years and to confirm that the observed constellations are actually repeating the circle again an observer would need to follow another full precession for another 25,772 years. Thats a total of 51,544 years to fully observe and confirm the observation is accurate. Plus the painting date of aprox. 30,000 years means we could be looking at a symbolic depiction that shows Taurus was associated and known as a Bull since possibly 80,000 years ago. Thats assuming that further precessions were not required to associate each constellation with an appropriate animal or similar known item, like the Libra scales. This points to an ancient understanding of the Zodiacal constellations and the appropriate symbol to give the constellation a meaning to what its influence upon us is about, a symbol to show what characteristics it directly governs and exerts its subtle influence upon us. This puts the knowledge of the precession and zodiac constellations as clearly in the Neandertal heartland. And long before the Cro-Magnons even appeared in the region. It seems that the knowledge may have been passed onto the Cro-Magnon population by the long time residents of the region, the Neandertals. The painting on the wall also lines up with the actual real constellation in the sky directly behind the cave at the time it was painted i think (dont quote that) This appears to be a painting used as an educational device to keep the knowledge going and passed on to the new species and then into our culture.
None of what you claim is backed by any evidence, and most of it is pretty unlikely... first things first, stars move in the sky, their position change, it's pretty unlikely that a constellation by the time of Lascaux paintings still remain identical today... Yeah, some bull has some dots around his eye, maybe seven... but maybe the depicted bull had some dots around his eyes... seems like a false-positive/confirmation bias to me, moreso considering the fact that there is another bull just facing THAT bull on the very same picture, which has many more dots on his face, why considering one bull and not the other one ? Because it fits the narrative we want... In fact, that "theory" seems to come from a french "ethno-astronomer" (is this even a thing ?), Chantal Jègues-Wolkiewiez, which is pretty much the only person working on it, publishinbg books and documentaries, but pretty much no actual scientific articles in any serious scientific peer-reviewed publication. That site in Lascaux is called "la salle des taureaux" (the hall of bulls), you can google it for a complete picture, and it won't take more than few seconds to figure this has nothing to do with astrology.
what would they use it for if they didn't farm anything then lol they domesticated some animals and needed to traverse Africa with them and that's only reason i can come up with
@@szymonbaranowski8184 a zodiac age for each constellation lasts aprox. 2,100 years. We are currently at the end of Pisces and moving into Aquarius. Plants dont take 2,000 years to grow and harvest. The Giza Pyramids align with the Orion constellation as well as the Cygnus constellation. Each year the Orion constellation indicates the Flooding of the Nile is to begin. Gobekli Tepe in Turkey follows the Cygnus constellation. Its why the enclosures are buried and a new enclosure is made. This is because the constellation moves over time. The Pillars at Gobekli Tepe indicate a comet came from that direction and caused a global catastrophe, and the Younger Dryas ice age period. This is before farming is taken up. The Boabab Tree is only found in Africa, Madagascar and Northern Australia. It came to Australia 72,000 years ago. This is when the Mt Toba super volcano erupted. There is no trace of this Tree anywhere else, so it appears that it was brought to Australia by human hands. The implications are that it was carried across the Indian Ocean by boat. It also suggests that knowledge of agriculture (plant a seed, it will grow) was already well known. You can plant seeds of any food type and just maintain it each year you return to the area. Its not intensive farming but tending a garden called horticulture. The people prior to farming had a lot of time on their hands and the stars in the sky at night are very distinct. Many stories get related to star movements and related human events. One of the oldest is the story of the seven sisters or the Plaedes constellation and the hunter or Orion constellation chasing them. These have nothing to do specifically with farming or telling of seasons but more to do with associated major events and at Gobekli Tepe the 'Watchers' were concerned that another cataclysm could arise from a comet from the direction of the Cygnus constellation. You need to broaden your understanding of what the constellations and the zodiac precession are used as: A calender and indicator of events that all people can relate to. Not exclusively intensive cereal grain farming.
Yea so much of the cave art IS constellation and cosmological event related. They took the effects seriously knowing the heavens directly affected their endeavors. "The Stellar Rays", as Al Kindi (900s AD) called them, is the same type of subtle energies referred to in radiesthesia, divination/dowsing and biogeometry.... basically the innate magnetoreception capabilities we have that we are for the most part desensitized to. But it's there. We are literally cymatics! First time a critic uses dowsing rods to find water and feels for themselves how the energy move the rods itself, they are Sold! And become diehard interested. Problem is most critics are so critical they shun even giving it a chance. It's a trip how much effort went into the making of ancient compasses. Subtle energies, their affects upon shapes in the physical world, and studying to know how to work them in your favor was the way of the ancient world.
As mentioned, absolutely awesome, love it! Some sidenotes: I would have preferred the myth from the older sumerian over the greeks- a.e the capricornus makes absolute no sense even in the greek mythology- in sumerian, fish and ram are attributed to enlil, and hybrid beeings where more common- still an odd thing, but still better fitting the cultural context than in greek myth. I actually still search for better explanations. May be two even older mythical beiings had been fusioned here ? Then I had an complete "Heureka!" moment when you explained why the early christians didn't like astrology even if their own origin is full of it- it's all about the free will concept, absolute brilliant how you hit the nail on the head! I feel, stars&myth are probably an very old concept in human history and Göpekli Tepe might tell us even older variants of astrology. A myth is such a powerful way of memorizing an otherwise abstract "constellation", but constellations are so useful for all ancient travellers, seafarers..it has to be much older than 5000BCE, just we have no writings of this times. Will dig also into polynesian constellations, I guess seafaring cultures probably have a broader and deeper connection to constellations.
Such a great storyteller. Another delightful presentation, as informative and educational as it was entertaining. I appreciate your time and efforts producing such quality on a regular basis. The world needs more scholars like you. ❤
The underlying problem here is basically one of misnomers, not science. The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn were misnamed for the constellations that lied behind them at the time, but that doesn’t mean the Tropics are unscientific. “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”, and the Sun reaching a Tropic makes a solstice, regardless of what you call it. In this same thread, the “Signs” were not based on the constellations, which vary wildly in size. The Signs are 12 30° segments of the ecliptic because there are two Solstices, and two equinoxes (4) and between each of these Cardinal points the Moon goes around 3 full times (4x3=12). This makes 12 equal sections, of which the pie-slices were *named* after constellations seen behind them at the time, but the constellations are not their origin or the rationale behind their interpretive functions. Understanding this, no, the Zodiac was not broken by leaving out Ophiuchus. It gets broken by including it. Still love the video, one of my favorite YT channels of all time!
Oh hey, I just noticed your TH-cam bling sitting on the shelf behind you. Good job, glad I could be a part of that. Keep up with the fantastic mythological content.
Lovely video very informative, speaking from a former Hellenistic astrology student. You’ve tied the story very nicely and in such a concise way. Thank you 😊
I'm glad I subscribed to your channel. I've always been curious about the origins of everything because I wonder what inspiration caused these discoveries
Thank-you for your video, Crecganford. The mechanics of Astrology flourished due to the knowledge that the Sun is the centre of the solar system: the Earth is placed in the centre of the natal chart. I have a degree in psychology and have studied Astrology since I was a teenager and I've not come across any particular conflict between these two systems. The biggest difference is that Astrology is much faster at indicating times and natures of critical experiences. Finding new planets resulted in discussions of their meanings and applications but even the moons of the outer planets and asteroids have been associated with mundane phenomena, now. There was never a 'crisis' when Uranus, Neptune or Pluto were discovered. The planets were associated with the times in which they were discovered and astrological theorists determined their most suitable integration, a process of democratic discussion and observation conducted over decades, and based on observation. In the 1980s, the 13th sign debate was about Arachnid. Seems to be a pop culture phenomenon to attract attention to and to cast doubt on the reliability of Astrology. Please beware of any 'debate' as a debate is never about the truth, but about whose argument is most persuasive. Astrology functions on observation, not opinion. Basics: 360 divided by 12. There will never be a 13h sign. I strongly recommend reading some useful texts and applying theory to reality before offering opinion on fundamental changes to an ancient system. Dane Rhudhyar, Martin Shulman, AT Mann and Robert Pelletier are good starting points. There are many people who view Astrology with disdain but very few who've bothered to investigate one of our most thoroughly developed systems of mythology. As you've noted, this system has continuity spanning millennia and a variety of cultures, languages, and technologies, and it is still functioning beautifully!. I hope you get to know your natal chart.
I came around your channel last year and have already drank so much cups of amazing tea while watching your videos)) I've always been a big fan of mythology but also watching you to expand my english vocabulary. Thank you
Very interesting to hear the evolution of astrology-thank you. It seems we are continuing that evolution with our modern concept of generational differences: Boomers, Xers, Millennials, etc. Admittedly not based on the stars, but like the Chinese zodiac’s main premise, based on when you were born, which in turn determines what world event(s) shape your understanding of the human condition.
A question I have had for ages already, and maybe you know the answer: in the far past they looked at the stars and visualised lines between some of them. That's something I can follow. But then. From those lines they made phantasies about animals and persons. How did they 'see' a complete animal from just two or three lines? I cannot see it. How is it possible that in different cultures they combined the same stars into the same lines and visualised those lines into the same animals?? Or did they tell the lines and the stories to each other?
That's a great question, and perhaps the best way to explain it is with a story, and that is why I recommend everyone to watch the Cosmic Hunt video, as it explains this. It really is a fascinating story touching on all your questions.
Due to light pollution, in many places in the world the stars are not visible in the night sky. For example, the milky way is not visible in the night sky where I live. I can only see a few of the stars in the constellations.
You most likely can't see the stars the way they could. Skies were dark everywhere on the planet back then. You could see thousands and thousands of stars. These days unless you live far out in the boonies you can't see nearly so many stars - city lights "drown them out.". So there was a lot more for them to base their pictures on than you have access to today. I lament this - I think it's awful we'e hidden the sky from ourselves. Anyway, that's the main problem, but even with all those stars they were of course using a liberal amount of information.
Indeed, it is the seasons that Western astrology is based on. And we're adding new fixed stars, dwarf planets and other astronomical bodies all the time :) I still find astrology to be quite helpful, when approached in a respectful way that's not trendy. JP Morgan used an astrologer, and attributed its assistance in his success. And the Sun sign is just one piece of what should be included in any chart readings. As well as whether one was born during the day, or during the night. You research into the history is well-done.
Thank you! What a fun video. I feel like the... hmmm... prescience? of astrology are due to the strength of the person's belief in them. Kind of a self- fulfilling prophesy. Also, wouldn't the extremely ancient stories of the Pleadies hint that observation of the heavens, and possibly some sort of proto astrology, may be even older than the Babylonians?
I'd love to learn more about various zodiacs from different cultures. I'm a libra/scorpio, wood tiger. My partner is a cancer wood tiger. Kids are Virgo dog, capricorn dragon/rabbit, and Virgo rooster.
Ophucus occures twice a year around the end of May/june and October/November and it signifies the Taurid meteor stream which we pass through twice a year at these times. It doesnt need a change to the twelve signs. At various times in the great year of 25,920 years the stream intensifies and has a more notable affect on Earth and society.
Acupuncture, like astrology, doesn't hold up to scientific examination, but people live by it. They both have their roots in the stone age. I know its not your normal cup o' tea, but you mighr want to do a program about that.
The Greek pantheon had 13 Gods/Goddesses but Hestia chose to tend the hearth instead of claiming a zodiac sign. Hestia is most likely Ophiuchus. Have you heard of Adam's Calendar in South Africa? While its exact dating is subject to great debate, it is arguably the oldest stone calendar in existence.
@fernandogarcia3957 You can elaborate more? Were you talking about the greeks and the adam's calendar or...? I'm curious as what you fully meant. Thanks.
@@fernandogarcia3957 There was a 13th constellation. Two cultures have 13 and both have the tradition of getting rid of the 13th house and only having 12. They could be linked or they could have independently come to the same decisions to not include the 13th god.
Well done. A minor point : (I may have missed you saying ...) A major modern astrological practice uses the sidereal zodiac - Vedic astrology (Indian). Many people and cultures use it, including in the west. And it's not a true/strict, constellation-based zodiac, just closer to it than the tropical zodiac (western astrology). The placement of Venus and the Ascendant at my birth was in Ophiucus. 💜 ⛎ I'm an Ophiucus rising. 🐍
Voy a escribir en español ya que mi English is very Bad. Las constelaciones sirvieron para identificar las regiones del cielo que recorre el sol en su ciclo anual, los signos no son las constelaciones. El horóscopo es un calendario por eso es regular (30° por signo). Además la astrología no se basa en una relación de causa y efecto pese a que en el modo de hablar se diga que un planeta influencia de tal o cuál manera. El principio que rige a la astrología, que vincula lo que pasa en el cielo con las vidas de las personas es el principio hermético de correpondencia, como es arriba es abajo. Por otro lado es un conocimiento simbólico y no científico, en ese sentido está en un lugar intermedio entre ciencia y arte.
Do you have a suggestion for a popular book with a collection of these origin myth? I like reading these like campfire stories to my kids. I especially like the one about the world diver. If there isn’t one, do you plan on writing one?
Yes, I am in the process of writing four different books, and a couple of them will suit your need. However, you’ll have to wait another year or so before they start to come out. Until then, there really isn’t something out that covers this in a story-telling kind of way.
I used to hang around the guys who invented constellations. Back when there were still some Neanderthals around (though we didn't call them that, we called them Big Brows). It was a fellow named Thagan, son of Thag, who started using names to describe the constellations as we did our seasonal migration. It made it easier for people to remember when to leave and which way to go. Pretty soon, Thagan's got an official title of Star Teller, which comes with a really nice long stick, and a string with knots in it, as well as some other nerds who helped. Suddenly, that weirdo who stared at the sky at night is a really big deal, and everybody wants his autograph. Of course he couldn't give them one, for the same reason he never wrote them down in the first place. No pencils. The guy who pretty much cornered the stone age pencil market got stepped on by a mastodon. So, he made up all those names, but didn't write it down because he couldn't find a pencil. That's the best I can remember. Thanks for another entertaining video.
There still seems to be no use in tracking the stars over a period of 26,000 years, unlese there was someone who lived longer than 26,000 years. But for us, what difference does it make to know whether we're in the age of Taurus or Aries or Aquarius?
I'm not an astrology follower, or whatnot. I am a Capricorn though, and I've always kind of liked it's dark/stoic depiction :D Thank you for another interesting and informative video
Me think the zadoic move like planets too than must now the star sign balance stand of the Capricorn sign. And all pushed behind. Its like by a watch wich show the time its move like star signs too
Great video, thanks for sharing it. But it does seem a little bit strange for a 40min. video on the 'History of the zodiac and astrology' to have no mention, however brief of Vedic astrology....🤔
Andes Pleiades dim or not indicates high cloud indicative of El Niño or la Niña and their associated rainfall patterns to pick the best time to plant. Omens or meteorology, probably some attempt at extra terrestrial impact risk. Navigation timing and tools. Recorded as stories.
I have studied and followed astrology for over forty years. Thanks for filling in the Persian gap in my knowledge! Any astrologer worth their salt can guess a persons sign at a glance or after a few questions, aligning with the Neuropsychopharmacological-seasonal-thingy. Predictions are hit-and-miss, but more important, the questioning of oneself or ones' fate is invaluably augmented by the objective input of a celestial event IMHO. Anyway, thanks Jon for another fantastic presentation!
I think of Astrology the same way I think of Comics. I find them entertaining, sometimes enlightening, but I don't they are "real" except in the sense that justice and mercy are "real". We need stories to be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape
you can read random words and you will always build story about what you subconsciously think right now you always bent what you see to what you wish to see never seeing what you actually objectively see 😂 that's the problem people see own dreams and delusions never any future and that's why they love this so much they love own lies so much
Are you sure that's not just you,@@szymonbaranowski8184..? Perhaps if we get outside of our own heads we can see what's really there. Or, maybe you're just trying to use headology..? I don't believe in a flat earth but I do like a disc world
@@AndreSantos-rm5xu How was I duped? I never said I believed the video's content, just that I enjoyed it. Or are you saying I didn't infact enjoy it, whilst thinking that I did?
I would have never expected to end up with the knowledge that a scientific paper somewhat confirmed that the time you're born affects some of your traits, slightly giving astrology some degree of factual credibility. The more you know.
Now, is that signifying the summer solstice, or spring equinox? That would tie in with a lot of Graham Hancock's publications. At the end of the younger drias the spring equinox sun rose in Leo. End of an ice age, widespread flooding, melt water 1b and those submerged cities we keep finding just off the coastline. It was a tumultuous period in our history a lot of people would have been affected, a lot of death, it would have seemed like the end of the world. If it was caused by the impact of an astral body, there's a likelihood it was a taurid meteor, we go through the stream in June and late October another possible reason to remember our lost on Halloween.
With your idea, as you know because of precession that would be highlighting this 2000 year period, now, and just coincidentally as the moon is leaving earth's orbit at about an inch a year the effect of it blocking out the body of the sun so we can exactly see the aura, not too close or too far, a perfect lineup, will only be available for this moment in history. And we've just had the Mayan calendar end. Something interesting might be about to happen.
Sorry, but "House of Leo" means nothing. Leo is a sign, a 30° subdivision of the Sun's path (zodiac). Houses are a subdivision of Day. Furthermore, the summer solstice happens at 0° Cancer, which today happens when the Sun appears in front of the Taurus constellation.
In modern astrology, people have far more than a single zodiac sign, they have a sign for each planet and a house in which that sign falls. Many sites or generalized horoscopes use only the Sun sign, something I personally find rather distasteful and which only gives a broad overview of an event or situation which may affect people who have that as their Sun sign or not depending largely on the rest of their chart assuming that the site itself isn't just scamming people for clicks. Anyway, those signs have complex relationships with one another which together map out the personality as well as the purpose of a person. I would contend that, as the center of a zodiac chart is the person in question, the heliocentric nature of the universe never really had a significant impact on the charts of individuals. I wouldn't discount Ophiuchus entirely as a part of an astrological method of reading, it may well prove to reveal even more than what the commonly accepted 12 sign zodiac does. But I do believe that there is still merit in that 12 sign system as a seasonal form of astrology. Astrology itself is largely rooted in pattern recognition, whether the pattern of the stars or the pattern of the seasons or the pattern of people born with certain attributes. Not everything can be scientifically verified in a lab, but that doesn't mean that anything unverifiable by that method is unverifiable by any other means. If an accurate zodiac chart spells out a person's entire self and approach to life and an ephemeris accurately charts the progress of the changes which occur for them over the year, yet it cannot be scientifically verified, is it any less true? I know that this is a study which could be replicated 100% of the time in terms of people seeing themselves in their chart and still be deemed inconclusive in a scientific sense due to the individual nature of human personality, the lack of any sort of control group, the unreliability of people's words as verification, etc. The universe tends to operate in patterns over and over again, that's exactly what makes experiments repeatable in the first place. So then, is it more important to recognize a pattern or to measure a pattern?
Ridiculous levels of complexity seems very suspect. That's basically opening it to even more interpretation and just keeps providing cover. It's like an ever shifting goalpost then where as soon as its questioned you can just wiggle the meaning until it fits.
@AveragePicker Listen, everything in science is ridiculous levels of complex. We separate science out into several larger branches of study, which in turn have smaller and smaller specific fields within them. There isn't such a thing as a doctor who understands everything about the human body, they all specialize because the body is too complex for that. If astrology being complex is suspicious, then the same can be said of every other science. You can't even be a general entomologist since there are so many sub-species variants of insects still being discovered to this day. The universe is a highly complex place, very intricate and interwoven. I'm not saying you can't disagree with me, but arguing that having a system be complex is suspicious is not the best approach for a topic like astrology, which is meant to predict the patterns of people and the world over time in both broad and minute scope.
Ty Jon. I saw a 3d video made too show the stars back then and unlike today where id say orion or more so "the belt of orion" and the big dipper dominate the northern sky. And it was cool because even tho i know the story of orion and the seven sisters or Pleaedeis. I dont see them well. Also i never hear anyone ask, except maybe japanese anime or maybe chinese but in 80s they alwats referenced the seven stars as the big dipper (if anyone knows fist of the north star.. then yeah). But after learning of the story thats in the vedas. I see where the legend of Ophificus came or the 13th zodiac. But i feel like when they made the story of was it Pan was he dionysus kid? Um Capricorn was a ram that began turning into a carp right? Idk you know way better than i do😅😅. But yeh the milk was it? Immortality elixer known later bye the greeks by abrosia. But yeah the vedas god on one side, deamons on other using jormungondr...or anasthenesia?? Maybe lol world serpent they wrapped it around the axis mundi and worked together to bring the world too a stop. Hehe gilgamesh had the plant but a or the serpent got it heh... But yeah i had heard orion was forever chasing the seven sisters. And did he not mistakenly see Artemis bathing? Again plz no im just askibg because i was obviously taught all the stuff back from those years where everday we find more and more and more lies on top of lies hidden , then shown in plain sight then buried and covered by unecessary reservoirs lol 😅😅❤❤man you are really awesome. No matter what i think , know have heard... Much like mr mythos. 😊. You both always find a few extra tasty morsels of delicous tantalizing ideas and further enrich both all the people listening, and of course mine :). I understand its very hard work making dough on here sir. So tyvm, i admit the shorts are good and stuff but i love these longer ones 😊❤ I do see u are growing well etc so thats awesome grats❤❤❤as always man your knowledge is great, the video was great and i hope you are doing well etc. Thanks alot and plz enjoy a cuppa for me 😊😊😊😊😊 also idk why i thought the milky way came from them churning the world to get the milk hehe. The snake wrangler? Oh the serpent bearer. Oh man i been totally murdering his name bad i thought Oh-Piff-ick-us lololol nice we all got our signs wrong😅😅😅 astology lovers are screaming 😅❤😂 lol😊😊😊 but again your great brother its great too see you growing and gaining more subs etc. Im truly very happy for ya❤😊 good luck and godspeed 😅😅😊😊
At 8:25 That is an Egyptian/Babylonian sky map, it does not show the zodiac, maybe the way of Sin, the ancient Greeks came up with the Zoo. There are only 12 zodiacal signs of zodiac and no more. Ophiuchus (Ancient Greek/ Roman constellation) is standing on the ecliptic and claiming up the MILKWAY, and this has great meaning that you have missed. The Zodiac is all through the Bible, both old and new. You are not a man of God or you would know this. In the beginning and at the end, Alfa to Omega, A to Z. Child stop leading people astray.
That is the problem, I'm speaking of God not gods and you don't know the difference and you, thou you may think otherwise, you don't understand progression. @@Crecganford
what about the Mesopotamian Twin Horsemen gods that are connected to Gemini? Or Capricorn's connections to Babylon, Amalthea(Zeus' wetnurse), and the possible winter herald Chimera?
А что происходит на южном полушарии Земли , ведь там совсем другое небо , а значит и зодиакальные периоды тоже другие . Какие там знаки зодиака ? Есть ли у народов южного полушария своё виденье ночного неба ?
I haven't read David Wray's book "The Secret Roots of Christianity" but his lecture series on the astrological influence of early Christianity is very good. Check James Tabor's channel. The thesis is that Jesus declares that he won't give a wicked generation a sign, only the sign of Jonah, which is the basis for understanding his cosmic significance. (Mt 12.38-42, 16.1-4, Mk 8.11-12, Lk 11.29-32)
I guess you missed the entire chapter on it! Since it is a recent re-inclusion there's not as much information on it. I guess maybe according to you the entire video should have been focused on this one aspect. Sorry you missed it.
Did you want to know about Babylonian cosmology? Or any other culture?
Yes absolutely! Also would like to know if there's any more Similarities between Native American and indo Europeans my background is very admixture I'm Irish,indigenous American, Portugal, Spain, Poland,Norway, and African and many more in between! Love your topics of migration too! ❤
Yes please to Babylon, and Sumer if there's any info from that far back!
Yes!
Yes please, Sumerian and Babylonian cosmology would be fantastic!
Please cover the MUL.APIN star codex, it will give a lot of context for the Greek zodiac
I'm not super into the zodiac, but I always find it sad that most of us live in places where we can't see many stars. I went camping a few weeks ago, far from any city or large town, and was shocked by how many stars I could see. 🌟
We can't see stars because most people live near cities that create light pollution.
Rural hobo here! That is a normal sight here
I thought I saw a star once, it was just a blinking light on top of a tower.
In the future, the real and fake clouds and Starlink satellite chains will be replaced by Dyson spheres that reproject what you would have seen outside when you're not getting your regularly scheduled cloud movements. A lot is possible and has already been done before by far more technologically advanced species than ours. We weren't designed to be the sharpest tools ever created, which is why so many of us are so deathly afraid of AI. Clue for these folks - God invented AI almost before he invented anything else, and for the same reason - delegating powers he didn't want to have to deal with personally. Who wants to be the almighty micromanager of an expanding multiverse that finally invented golf courses worthy of a semi-retired god that wants a little privacy once in a while?
Recently (couple of years ago, I think) the power went off in Southern California, and they reported on the news that week that the number of terrified people calling 911 to report what they *thought* were incoming bombs was crazy. Turns out that they had never seen stars before. The reporters laughed, but I thought it sad.
I’m an Ophiucan and lifelong science nerd. Whenever anyone asked me what sign I was I would tell them Ophiucus, which invariably got me nothing but a blank stare in response. Interestingly, no one ever asked me what I was talking about or showed any curiosity about my answer. Maybe they thought I didn’t understand their question and I was telling them I was from some obscure country called Ophiuc.
I’m also an ophiuchan 🙋🏼♀️
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that's because Ophiuchus is a horseshit insert invented less than twenty years ago. 13 signs breaks the symbolism.
@@n0tf0rpr0fit 20 years ago they added a constellation to the ecliptic?
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Nope.
Wheel within a wheel.
I'm one! December 13th. Some people call me a natural healer and I can charm animals, truth!
My sign is really being talked about a lot more than I anticipated.
BIG FAN of your work. I am a professional astrologer (with an educational background in psychology) rooted in archetypal symbology and ancient mythology (I include Ophiuchus lol) I reference your work often. truth be told I was worried going into this video that you (like many academics) were going to have far too literal of a lens to cover this topic from a perspective that gives it the respect it deserves, I was wrong - this was fabulous. will be joining your Patreon, did I hear you mention before that it grant access to a giant mythological database?
Thank you, and yes, Patreon's get access to all the functions currently in the mythology database.
@@Crecganford with every tier? Is it accessed within Patreon itself?
A vid on mesopotamian cosmology would be very cool indeed
It's on my To Do list
there is one history professor reading their clay tablets on yt
I love to study myths and astrology. Ophiuchus was recognized in both tropical and sidereal systems. It is tied into the Scorpio's story and bridges to Sagittarius. It brings different layers to those zodiac signs. As in regards to placement in the 12 houses it's considered to be part of Scorpio 8th house: Death and Transformation. It could be considered a hidden zodiac in relationship with the 12 tribes of Israel because Levi is a hidden tribe, the priest class. If it becomes designated as its own zodiac and house it will become the 9th and the wheel will shift, Pisces will go from the 12th spot to the 13th.
One thing I dont like is modern astrologers don't know their astronomy. They use computers that dont take the wobble into account and their charts are all wrong. Historically you needed astronomy and you looked through a telescope. So now they say its symbolism. Nope, people are lazy and dont want to study astronomy and learn to hand plot natal charts or readings like they did in the past. One day I want to be able to correctly plot natal charts using a telescope 🔭 after Im done with all my biology classes.
Love your videos. Thank you.
Im a sun pisces, lunar capricorn, rising leo and north node sagittarius born in the year of the wood rabbit. My three pillars are all rabbits. My hidden fourth pillar will stay hidden. As for the Vedic system, I shift into Aquarius but Im a Pisces hands down. 🐟☺️🐟
There is a longtime misunderstanding there.
Astrology is about the movement of planets (+sun & moon) along their apparent (i.e. geocentric) path in the sky. This path (the zodiac) has been arbitrarily divided in twelve equal 30° parts, called the signs. This division is based on the seasons, that is on equinoxes and solstices, on the orbit of earth around the sun with respect to its inclination. Not on the stars in the background. Since Antiquity we know that this path is not constant, and Kepler/Newton have showed why.
SOME constellations (12) have been named for these signs. For example, people born in deep summer having the traits of lions, the sign got the name of Lion and afterwards the group of stars got that name.
The rest of star clusters have been named later, by the Greeks, for mythological figures in the greek pantheon: Andromeda, Pegasus, Cassiopea, Procyon, Orion... and Ophiuchus. These are NOT zodiacal constellations!
( Probably the Chaldeans didn't need to name star clusters for themselves.)
Anyway, the idea of a constellation is totally arbitrary, no law exists to attribute a star to this or that cluster. It is only very recently (end of XIXth c.) that a precise pattern of cutting the celestial sphere in zones has been designed, keeping the old name constellations for these zones. Among which Ophiuchus has been extended into the Zodiac and other "sign" constellations have spilled over.
So, neither the signs, nor the personalities associated, are derived from constellations. It is the other way around: those 12 constellation names are derived from the signs they were in, during those ancient times. Today, there is discrepancy between signs (seasons) and constellations (sky) because of the equinoxial precession since those times. For example, the vernal equinox is on 0°Aries in Signs, but somewhere in Aquarius in Sky. Who cares? Astrology is about seasons and personality, not about astronomy.
I do explain in the video that some believe that astrology is focused on the equatorial zodiac, and so focused on the seasons. But I am not explaining how equatorial zodiac based astrology works, I am explaining how astrology began and evolved.
@@Crecganford You mean 'astronomy' in the lest sentence?
@@MarcusCactus astrology is different from astronomy. At least that’s how I’ve understood it. Astrology is where the zodiac takes prominence. Astronomy is the scientific study of celestial bodies. I believe the video is about the evolution and cultural impact of astrology. Crecganford is right when he states he’s discussing astrology and not astronomy.
Good one! I love how you don't seem to believe in anything but know all about everything!
Chinese and Vedic astrology is so complicated. Chinese - not only the year, but the hour and minute when you were born. I'm a metal Ox, but have almost no Yang in my chart. Vedic I'm a Libra, because they work off the moon (Western Scorpio). Fascinating stuff. Thanks for this rabbit hole dive into astrology.
Hey, brother! Metal Ox… Pisces in the western system. Don’t know much about the Chinese system.. yet, but I’m working on it.
Dude, your library is looking so nice these days!!!! You can never have too many books, I say!!!❤
Thank you, it is my happy place.
Absolutely Awesome! Had investigated this topic myself, but how you connected the cultural adaption across the timeline- awesome!
Thank you so much for your support, it is very much appreciated.
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Another stellar lesson Jon. Very informative, interesting and captivating as always. Keep up the great work and have a great weekend. Look forward to your next lesson as always. 😊
Excellent work as always! This has probably been mentioned before, but I'd love to see your take on the mythological theories of Robert Graves.
I’ll add that to my list of videos to make.
Great video! Have you covered the history of Magic & Prohibitions? Seems in middle-ages many where practicing magic, so much it hand to be banned at the University of Paris in 1398......
"In 1398, the University of Paris issued a condemnation of magic, known as the "Condemnation of Magic" or "Condemnations of 1398." The University of Paris was one of the most prestigious educational institutions of the time
During that period, there was a growing concern among religious and academic circles about the practice of magic and occult arts. The Condemnation of Magic was a response to these concerns and sought to regulate and suppress the use of magical practices.
The document specifically targeted a wide range of magical activities, including divination, astrology, alchemy, necromancy, and other forms of occult practices. It condemned those who engaged in such activities, considering them heretical and in violation of Christian teachings."
Astrology, myths, ancient belives are fascinating. I am enjoying listening to you. 😊
The enunciation of Cosmic Hunt right at the start was perfect. I had a big LOL flashback to that video from last year. Great content, as always!
This was great!! I too do not believe that anything can predict the future. That being said, there are archetypal themes in the 12 zodiac signs, the different aspects between the planets and what they signify and by keeping those "life lessons" constantly in the forefront of our minds, it helps us be more intentional about life, rather than living in a haphazard way without personal growth.
In Lascaux cave in western France there is a cave art depiction of a large Bull on the wall. A closer look shows the Bull has seven dots around its eye.
This is not a physical biological Bull it is the Taurus constellation.
The Bull clearly has seven dots around its eye.
This clearly is the Taurus constellation as no Bull has anything similar in reality.
I think the cave art is around 30,000 years old.
It is attributed to the Cro-Magnon.
So even that far back the constellation is associated with the Bull.
A full zodiacal precession takes around 25,772 years and to confirm that the observed constellations are actually repeating the circle again an observer would need to follow another full precession for another 25,772 years.
Thats a total of 51,544 years to fully observe and confirm the observation is accurate. Plus the painting date of aprox. 30,000 years means we could be looking at a symbolic depiction that shows Taurus was associated and known as a Bull since possibly 80,000 years ago. Thats assuming that further precessions were not required to associate each constellation with an appropriate animal or similar known item, like the Libra scales.
This points to an ancient understanding of the Zodiacal constellations and the appropriate symbol to give the constellation a meaning to what its influence upon us is about, a symbol to show what characteristics it directly governs and exerts its subtle influence upon us.
This puts the knowledge of the precession and zodiac constellations as clearly in the Neandertal heartland. And long before the Cro-Magnons even appeared in the region.
It seems that the knowledge may have been passed onto the Cro-Magnon population by the long time residents of the region, the Neandertals.
The painting on the wall also lines up with the actual real constellation in the sky directly behind the cave at the time it was painted i think (dont quote that)
This appears to be a painting used as an educational device to keep the knowledge going and passed on to the new species and then into our culture.
None of what you claim is backed by any evidence, and most of it is pretty unlikely... first things first, stars move in the sky, their position change, it's pretty unlikely that a constellation by the time of Lascaux paintings still remain identical today...
Yeah, some bull has some dots around his eye, maybe seven... but maybe the depicted bull had some dots around his eyes... seems like a false-positive/confirmation bias to me, moreso considering the fact that there is another bull just facing THAT bull on the very same picture, which has many more dots on his face, why considering one bull and not the other one ? Because it fits the narrative we want...
In fact, that "theory" seems to come from a french "ethno-astronomer" (is this even a thing ?), Chantal Jègues-Wolkiewiez, which is pretty much the only person working on it, publishinbg books and documentaries, but pretty much no actual scientific articles in any serious scientific peer-reviewed publication.
That site in Lascaux is called "la salle des taureaux" (the hall of bulls), you can google it for a complete picture, and it won't take more than few seconds to figure this has nothing to do with astrology.
what would they use it for if they didn't farm anything then lol
they domesticated some animals and needed to traverse Africa with them and that's only reason i can come up with
@@szymonbaranowski8184 a zodiac age for each constellation lasts aprox. 2,100 years. We are currently at the end of Pisces and moving into Aquarius. Plants dont take 2,000 years to grow and harvest.
The Giza Pyramids align with the Orion constellation as well as the Cygnus constellation.
Each year the Orion constellation indicates the Flooding of the Nile is to begin.
Gobekli Tepe in Turkey follows the Cygnus constellation. Its why the enclosures are buried and a new enclosure is made. This is because the constellation moves over time.
The Pillars at Gobekli Tepe indicate a comet came from that direction and caused a global catastrophe, and the Younger Dryas ice age period.
This is before farming is taken up.
The Boabab Tree is only found in Africa, Madagascar and Northern Australia.
It came to Australia 72,000 years ago. This is when the Mt Toba super volcano erupted. There is no trace of this Tree anywhere else, so it appears that it was brought to Australia by human hands.
The implications are that it was carried across the Indian Ocean by boat. It also suggests that knowledge of agriculture (plant a seed, it will grow) was already well known. You can plant seeds of any food type and just maintain it each year you return to the area. Its not intensive farming but tending a garden called horticulture.
The people prior to farming had a lot of time on their hands and the stars in the sky at night are very distinct. Many stories get related to star movements and related human events.
One of the oldest is the story of the seven sisters or the Plaedes constellation and the hunter or Orion constellation chasing them.
These have nothing to do specifically with farming or telling of seasons but more to do with associated major events and at Gobekli Tepe the 'Watchers' were concerned that another cataclysm could arise from a comet from the direction of the Cygnus constellation.
You need to broaden your understanding of what the constellations and the zodiac precession are used as: A calender and indicator of events that all people can relate to.
Not exclusively intensive cereal grain farming.
Yea so much of the cave art IS constellation and cosmological event related. They took the effects seriously knowing the heavens directly affected their endeavors.
"The Stellar Rays", as Al Kindi (900s AD) called them, is the same type of subtle energies referred to in radiesthesia, divination/dowsing and biogeometry.... basically the innate magnetoreception capabilities we have that we are for the most part desensitized to. But it's there. We are literally cymatics!
First time a critic uses dowsing rods to find water and feels for themselves how the energy move the rods itself, they are Sold! And become diehard interested. Problem is most critics are so critical they shun even giving it a chance.
It's a trip how much effort went into the making of ancient compasses. Subtle energies, their affects upon shapes in the physical world, and studying to know how to work them in your favor was the way of the ancient world.
@@szymonbaranowski8184 the night sky is ancient peoples TV screen.
As mentioned, absolutely awesome, love it! Some sidenotes: I would have preferred the myth from the older sumerian over the greeks- a.e the capricornus makes absolute no sense even in the greek mythology- in sumerian, fish and ram are attributed to enlil, and hybrid beeings where more common- still an odd thing, but still better fitting the cultural context than in greek myth. I actually still search for better explanations. May be two even older mythical beiings had been fusioned here ? Then I had an complete "Heureka!" moment when you explained why the early christians didn't like astrology even if their own origin is full of it- it's all about the free will concept, absolute brilliant how you hit the nail on the head!
I feel, stars&myth are probably an very old concept in human history and Göpekli Tepe might tell us even older variants of astrology. A myth is such a powerful way of memorizing an otherwise abstract "constellation", but constellations are so useful for all ancient travellers, seafarers..it has to be much older than 5000BCE, just we have no writings of this times. Will dig also into polynesian constellations, I guess seafaring cultures probably have a broader and deeper connection to constellations.
Correction: Enki, not Enlil, sorry.
Such a great storyteller. Another delightful presentation, as informative and educational as it was entertaining. I appreciate your time and efforts producing such quality on a regular basis. The world needs more scholars like you. ❤
A lot of stone circles in ireland have 13 stones in their circles. Thirteen astrological signs.
"If that's not astrology, I'll quit drinking tea" now that's an endorsement 😂 27:45
Very insightful, as always! Thank you for this. ✨
Thank you! Your kind words are forever appreciated.
The underlying problem here is basically one of misnomers, not science. The Tropics of Cancer and Capricorn were misnamed for the constellations that lied behind them at the time, but that doesn’t mean the Tropics are unscientific. “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”, and the Sun reaching a Tropic makes a solstice, regardless of what you call it.
In this same thread, the “Signs” were not based on the constellations, which vary wildly in size. The Signs are 12 30° segments of the ecliptic because there are two Solstices, and two equinoxes (4) and between each of these Cardinal points the Moon goes around 3 full times (4x3=12). This makes 12 equal sections, of which the pie-slices were *named* after constellations seen behind them at the time, but the constellations are not their origin or the rationale behind their interpretive functions.
Understanding this, no, the Zodiac was not broken by leaving out Ophiuchus. It gets broken by including it.
Still love the video, one of my favorite YT channels of all time!
Oh hey, I just noticed your TH-cam bling sitting on the shelf behind you. Good job, glad I could be a part of that. Keep up with the fantastic mythological content.
Thank you.
Sigh, well done overall, kind of dropped the ball when talking about Ophiuchus and sidereal vs. tropical systems.
Lovely video very informative, speaking from a former Hellenistic astrology student. You’ve tied the story very nicely and in such a concise way. Thank you 😊
I'm glad I subscribed to your channel. I've always been curious about the origins of everything because I wonder what inspiration caused these discoveries
Thank-you for your video, Crecganford.
The mechanics of Astrology flourished due to the knowledge that the Sun is the centre of the solar system: the Earth is placed in the centre of the natal chart. I have a degree in psychology and have studied Astrology since I was a teenager and I've not come across any particular conflict between these two systems. The biggest difference is that Astrology is much faster at indicating times and natures of critical experiences.
Finding new planets resulted in discussions of their meanings and applications but even the moons of the outer planets and asteroids have been associated with mundane phenomena, now. There was never a 'crisis' when Uranus, Neptune or Pluto were discovered. The planets were associated with the times in which they were discovered and astrological theorists determined their most suitable integration, a process of democratic discussion and observation conducted over decades, and based on observation.
In the 1980s, the 13th sign debate was about Arachnid. Seems to be a pop culture phenomenon to attract attention to and to cast doubt on the reliability of Astrology. Please beware of any 'debate' as a debate is never about the truth, but about whose argument is most persuasive. Astrology functions on observation, not opinion. Basics: 360 divided by 12. There will never be a 13h sign.
I strongly recommend reading some useful texts and applying theory to reality before offering opinion on fundamental changes to an ancient system. Dane Rhudhyar, Martin Shulman, AT Mann and Robert Pelletier are good starting points.
There are many people who view Astrology with disdain but very few who've bothered to investigate one of our most thoroughly developed systems of mythology. As you've noted, this system has continuity spanning millennia and a variety of cultures, languages, and technologies, and it is still functioning beautifully!.
I hope you get to know your natal chart.
Very interesting, I'm half way through and still nothing about Ophiuchus....
I came around your channel last year and have already drank so much cups of amazing tea while watching your videos)) I've always been a big fan of mythology but also watching you to expand my english vocabulary. Thank you
Great work, thank you, I so look forward to your videos! Take good care!
Ah yippee I was always thinking about this in my practice. 😊 I'm intrigued and curious altogether.
Thanks for the link to the report from the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology.
Wildly inspiring as always,no one ever told me this. Thanks you very much, Sir.
Very interesting to hear the evolution of astrology-thank you. It seems we are continuing that evolution with our modern concept of generational differences: Boomers, Xers, Millennials, etc. Admittedly not based on the stars, but like the Chinese zodiac’s main premise, based on when you were born, which in turn determines what world event(s) shape your understanding of the human condition.
Thats all political , designed to cause social conflict between generations and reproduce class antagonisms.
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This is wonderful! Thank you! So well done.
Thank you so much.
Metal Ox, here… checking out the video. Glad you included the Chinese version.😊
I’d like a more exhaustive look at the Chinese Encabulation of lunar solar calendar synthesis into the yearly animal designations.
Please turn the sound up!!
A question I have had for ages already, and maybe you know the answer: in the far past they looked at the stars and visualised lines between some of them. That's something I can follow. But then. From those lines they made phantasies about animals and persons. How did they 'see' a complete animal from just two or three lines? I cannot see it.
How is it possible that in different cultures they combined the same stars into the same lines and visualised those lines into the same animals??
Or did they tell the lines and the stories to each other?
That's a great question, and perhaps the best way to explain it is with a story, and that is why I recommend everyone to watch the Cosmic Hunt video, as it explains this. It really is a fascinating story touching on all your questions.
Due to light pollution, in many places in the world the stars are not visible in the night sky. For example, the milky way is not visible in the night sky where I live. I can only see a few of the stars in the constellations.
You most likely can't see the stars the way they could. Skies were dark everywhere on the planet back then. You could see thousands and thousands of stars. These days unless you live far out in the boonies you can't see nearly so many stars - city lights "drown them out.". So there was a lot more for them to base their pictures on than you have access to today. I lament this - I think it's awful we'e hidden the sky from ourselves. Anyway, that's the main problem, but even with all those stars they were of course using a liberal amount of information.
Fascinating stuff. I'd love to hear more about Egypt's cosmology.
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The pig from that story is very relatable.
Why try for the first place when the rewards aren't worth it and you got better things to do?
Love your videos… thanks for what you do
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It'd be my sign.
Horoscopes were probably entered in india with alexendra. Earlier astrology was different.
Indeed, it is the seasons that Western astrology is based on. And we're adding new fixed stars, dwarf planets and other astronomical bodies all the time :) I still find astrology to be quite helpful, when approached in a respectful way that's not trendy. JP Morgan used an astrologer, and attributed its assistance in his success. And the Sun sign is just one piece of what should be included in any chart readings. As well as whether one was born during the day, or during the night.
You research into the history is well-done.
Of course JP Morgan used astrology.
the Elites are a step ahead.
That's why everyone else needs to start waking up.
Thank you! What a fun video. I feel like the... hmmm... prescience? of astrology are due to the strength of the person's belief in them. Kind of a self- fulfilling prophesy. Also, wouldn't the extremely ancient stories of the Pleadies hint that observation of the heavens, and possibly some sort of proto astrology, may be even older than the Babylonians?
These stories and traditions are awsome! Literally lol
I'd love to learn more about various zodiacs from different cultures. I'm a libra/scorpio, wood tiger. My partner is a cancer wood tiger. Kids are Virgo dog, capricorn dragon/rabbit, and Virgo rooster.
No matter the culture developing the zodiac, it’s all bollocks.
@@kellydalstok8900 either way, it's still interesting to know how people reproduced society and how they interpreted the world around them
@@kellydalstok8900like majority of things you learn at school 😂
Ophucus occures twice a year around the end of May/june and October/November and it signifies the Taurid meteor stream which we pass through twice a year at these times. It doesnt need a change to the twelve signs. At various times in the great year of 25,920 years the stream intensifies and has a more notable affect on Earth and society.
Thank you, I would love to learn more about Castor and Pollux
Thank you so much.
Nana. Do you mean Gran?
Acupuncture, like astrology, doesn't hold up to scientific examination, but people live by it. They both have their roots in the stone age. I know its not your normal cup o' tea, but you mighr want to do a program about that.
The Greek pantheon had 13 Gods/Goddesses but Hestia chose to tend the hearth instead of claiming a zodiac sign. Hestia is most likely Ophiuchus. Have you heard of Adam's Calendar in South Africa? While its exact dating is subject to great debate, it is arguably the oldest stone calendar in existence.
If you think there are exact correspondence in these symbolic matters you are wrong. Very much!
@fernandogarcia3957 You can elaborate more? Were you talking about the greeks and the adam's calendar or...? I'm curious as what you fully meant. Thanks.
@@fernandogarcia3957 There was a 13th constellation. Two cultures have 13 and both have the tradition of getting rid of the 13th house and only having 12. They could be linked or they could have independently come to the same decisions to not include the 13th god.
Hestia is one of the shortest and cutest, but also one of the bustiest.
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Well done.
A minor point :
(I may have missed you saying ...) A major modern astrological practice uses the sidereal zodiac - Vedic astrology (Indian). Many people and cultures use it, including in the west. And it's not a true/strict, constellation-based zodiac, just closer to it than the tropical zodiac (western astrology).
The placement of Venus and the Ascendant at my birth was in Ophiucus.
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My birth month is June 22 so what is my real zodiac sign if there is 13 zodiac sign!?answer my question please?
Voy a escribir en español ya que mi English is very Bad. Las constelaciones sirvieron para identificar las regiones del cielo que recorre el sol en su ciclo anual, los signos no son las constelaciones. El horóscopo es un calendario por eso es regular (30° por signo). Además la astrología no se basa en una relación de causa y efecto pese a que en el modo de hablar se diga que un planeta influencia de tal o cuál manera. El principio que rige a la astrología, que vincula lo que pasa en el cielo con las vidas de las personas es el principio hermético de correpondencia, como es arriba es abajo. Por otro lado es un conocimiento simbólico y no científico, en ese sentido está en un lugar intermedio entre ciencia y arte.
Do you have a suggestion for a popular book with a collection of these origin myth? I like reading these like campfire stories to my kids. I especially like the one about the world diver. If there isn’t one, do you plan on writing one?
Yes, I am in the process of writing four different books, and a couple of them will suit your need. However, you’ll have to wait another year or so before they start to come out. Until then, there really isn’t something out that covers this in a story-telling kind of way.
This video reminded me of the Gods in the Sky tv series by Allan Chapman
I used to hang around the guys who invented constellations. Back when there were still some Neanderthals around (though we didn't call them that, we called them Big Brows). It was a fellow named Thagan, son of Thag, who started using names to describe the constellations as we did our seasonal migration. It made it easier for people to remember when to leave and which way to go.
Pretty soon, Thagan's got an official title of Star Teller, which comes with a really nice long stick, and a string with knots in it, as well as some other nerds who helped. Suddenly, that weirdo who stared at the sky at night is a really big deal, and everybody wants his autograph. Of course he couldn't give them one, for the same reason he never wrote them down in the first place. No pencils. The guy who pretty much cornered the stone age pencil market got stepped on by a mastodon.
So, he made up all those names, but didn't write it down because he couldn't find a pencil. That's the best I can remember. Thanks for another entertaining video.
There still seems to be no use in tracking the stars over a period of 26,000 years, unlese there was someone who lived longer than 26,000 years. But for us, what difference does it make to know whether we're in the age of Taurus or Aries or Aquarius?
I'm not an astrology follower, or whatnot. I am a Capricorn though, and I've always kind of liked it's dark/stoic depiction :D Thank you for another interesting and informative video
@@AndreSantos-rm5xu I hear you
Me think the zadoic move like planets too than must now the star sign balance stand of the Capricorn sign. And all pushed behind. Its like by a watch wich show the time its move like star signs too
Great video, thanks for sharing it. But it does seem a little bit strange for a 40min. video on the 'History of the zodiac and astrology' to have no mention, however brief of Vedic astrology....🤔
The Vedic will be talked about in its own video in the future.
Andes Pleiades dim or not indicates high cloud indicative of El Niño or la Niña and their associated rainfall patterns to pick the best time to plant. Omens or meteorology, probably some attempt at extra terrestrial impact risk. Navigation timing and tools. Recorded as stories.
You forgot the Chinese 🐍 snake! What order did it get in the race?
I have studied and followed astrology for over forty years. Thanks for filling in the Persian gap in my knowledge!
Any astrologer worth their salt can guess a persons sign at a glance or after a few questions, aligning with the Neuropsychopharmacological-seasonal-thingy.
Predictions are hit-and-miss, but more important, the questioning of oneself or ones' fate is invaluably augmented by the objective input of a celestial event IMHO.
Anyway, thanks Jon for another fantastic presentation!
27 asterisms in Vedic astrology.
I think of Astrology the same way I think of Comics. I find them entertaining, sometimes enlightening, but I don't they are "real" except in the sense that justice and mercy are "real". We need stories to be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape
you can read random words and you will always build story about what you subconsciously think right now
you always bent what you see to what you wish to see never seeing what you actually objectively see 😂
that's the problem
people see own dreams and delusions never any future
and that's why they love this so much
they love own lies so much
Are you sure that's not just you,@@szymonbaranowski8184..? Perhaps if we get outside of our own heads we can see what's really there. Or, maybe you're just trying to use headology..? I don't believe in a flat earth but I do like a disc world
This particular Fish-Goat creature thoroughly enjoyed that exploration of astrology 👍
@@AndreSantos-rm5xu How was I duped? I never said I believed the video's content, just that I enjoyed it.
Or are you saying I didn't infact enjoy it, whilst thinking that I did?
@@AndreSantos-rm5xu Mythology is part of our shared history of humanity. Why wouldn't I enjoy it?
I would have never expected to end up with the knowledge that a scientific paper somewhat confirmed that the time you're born affects some of your traits, slightly giving astrology some degree of factual credibility. The more you know.
What is the origin of the Lunar mansion system in Vedic astronomy?
great information , can u make a video about south turkish astrology
Im so used to being left out .. #ophiuchus #here #livingwater #serpentbearer #h3o2
18. Serpent. Interesting.
Might also be related to all the old serpent imagery?
I think it's interesting that the sun rising over a lion is a prominent Persian symbol given that the summer solstice occurs in the house of Leo.
Now, is that signifying the summer solstice, or spring equinox? That would tie in with a lot of Graham Hancock's publications. At the end of the younger drias the spring equinox sun rose in Leo.
End of an ice age, widespread flooding, melt water 1b and those submerged cities we keep finding just off the coastline.
It was a tumultuous period in our history a lot of people would have been affected, a lot of death, it would have seemed like the end of the world.
If it was caused by the impact of an astral body, there's a likelihood it was a taurid meteor, we go through the stream in June and late October another possible reason to remember our lost on Halloween.
With your idea, as you know because of precession that would be highlighting this 2000 year period, now, and just coincidentally as the moon is leaving earth's orbit at about an inch a year the effect of it blocking out the body of the sun so we can exactly see the aura, not too close or too far, a perfect lineup, will only be available for this moment in history. And we've just had the Mayan calendar end. Something interesting might be about to happen.
Sorry, but "House of Leo" means nothing. Leo is a sign, a 30° subdivision of the Sun's path (zodiac). Houses are a subdivision of Day.
Furthermore, the summer solstice happens at 0° Cancer, which today happens when the Sun appears in front of the Taurus constellation.
@@MarcusCactus yep you're right it's gone back not forward, age of Pisces to age of Aquarius. So everything else is back.
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Is there any relationship between the Egyptians lunar zodiac and those found in China or India?
Where do you get these crazy ages from?
References are in the video's description.
Oh, cosmic hunt, sorry I misheard you, I thought you were talking about Chris Tarrant.
In modern astrology, people have far more than a single zodiac sign, they have a sign for each planet and a house in which that sign falls. Many sites or generalized horoscopes use only the Sun sign, something I personally find rather distasteful and which only gives a broad overview of an event or situation which may affect people who have that as their Sun sign or not depending largely on the rest of their chart assuming that the site itself isn't just scamming people for clicks.
Anyway, those signs have complex relationships with one another which together map out the personality as well as the purpose of a person. I would contend that, as the center of a zodiac chart is the person in question, the heliocentric nature of the universe never really had a significant impact on the charts of individuals.
I wouldn't discount Ophiuchus entirely as a part of an astrological method of reading, it may well prove to reveal even more than what the commonly accepted 12 sign zodiac does. But I do believe that there is still merit in that 12 sign system as a seasonal form of astrology. Astrology itself is largely rooted in pattern recognition, whether the pattern of the stars or the pattern of the seasons or the pattern of people born with certain attributes. Not everything can be scientifically verified in a lab, but that doesn't mean that anything unverifiable by that method is unverifiable by any other means. If an accurate zodiac chart spells out a person's entire self and approach to life and an ephemeris accurately charts the progress of the changes which occur for them over the year, yet it cannot be scientifically verified, is it any less true? I know that this is a study which could be replicated 100% of the time in terms of people seeing themselves in their chart and still be deemed inconclusive in a scientific sense due to the individual nature of human personality, the lack of any sort of control group, the unreliability of people's words as verification, etc.
The universe tends to operate in patterns over and over again, that's exactly what makes experiments repeatable in the first place. So then, is it more important to recognize a pattern or to measure a pattern?
Ridiculous levels of complexity seems very suspect. That's basically opening it to even more interpretation and just keeps providing cover. It's like an ever shifting goalpost then where as soon as its questioned you can just wiggle the meaning until it fits.
@@AveragePicker I mean, did you think people were simple?
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@AveragePicker Listen, everything in science is ridiculous levels of complex. We separate science out into several larger branches of study, which in turn have smaller and smaller specific fields within them. There isn't such a thing as a doctor who understands everything about the human body, they all specialize because the body is too complex for that. If astrology being complex is suspicious, then the same can be said of every other science.
You can't even be a general entomologist since there are so many sub-species variants of insects still being discovered to this day. The universe is a highly complex place, very intricate and interwoven. I'm not saying you can't disagree with me, but arguing that having a system be complex is suspicious is not the best approach for a topic like astrology, which is meant to predict the patterns of people and the world over time in both broad and minute scope.
@@AndreSantos-rm5xuHistorically, people calling things "impossible" have frequently been proven wrong.
Ty Jon. I saw a 3d video made too show the stars back then and unlike today where id say orion or more so "the belt of orion" and the big dipper dominate the northern sky. And it was cool because even tho i know the story of orion and the seven sisters or Pleaedeis. I dont see them well. Also i never hear anyone ask, except maybe japanese anime or maybe chinese but in 80s they alwats referenced the seven stars as the big dipper (if anyone knows fist of the north star.. then yeah). But after learning of the story thats in the vedas. I see where the legend of Ophificus came or the 13th zodiac. But i feel like when they made the story of was it Pan was he dionysus kid? Um Capricorn was a ram that began turning into a carp right? Idk you know way better than i do😅😅. But yeh the milk was it? Immortality elixer known later bye the greeks by abrosia. But yeah the vedas god on one side, deamons on other using jormungondr...or anasthenesia?? Maybe lol world serpent they wrapped it around the axis mundi and worked together to bring the world too a stop. Hehe gilgamesh had the plant but a or the serpent got it heh... But yeah i had heard orion was forever chasing the seven sisters. And did he not mistakenly see Artemis bathing? Again plz no im just askibg because i was obviously taught all the stuff back from those years where everday we find more and more and more lies on top of lies hidden , then shown in plain sight then buried and covered by unecessary reservoirs lol 😅😅❤❤man you are really awesome. No matter what i think , know have heard... Much like mr mythos. 😊. You both always find a few extra tasty morsels of delicous tantalizing ideas and further enrich both all the people listening, and of course mine :). I understand its very hard work making dough on here sir. So tyvm, i admit the shorts are good and stuff but i love these longer ones 😊❤ I do see u are growing well etc so thats awesome grats❤❤❤as always man your knowledge is great, the video was great and i hope you are doing well etc. Thanks alot and plz enjoy a cuppa for me 😊😊😊😊😊 also idk why i thought the milky way came from them churning the world to get the milk hehe. The snake wrangler? Oh the serpent bearer. Oh man i been totally murdering his name bad i thought Oh-Piff-ick-us lololol nice we all got our signs wrong😅😅😅 astology lovers are screaming 😅❤😂 lol😊😊😊 but again your great brother its great too see you growing and gaining more subs etc. Im truly very happy for ya❤😊 good luck and godspeed 😅😅😊😊
At 8:25 That is an Egyptian/Babylonian sky map, it does not show the zodiac, maybe the way of Sin, the ancient Greeks came up with the Zoo. There are only 12 zodiacal signs of zodiac and no more. Ophiuchus (Ancient Greek/ Roman constellation) is standing on the ecliptic and claiming up the MILKWAY, and this has great meaning that you have missed. The Zodiac is all through the Bible, both old and new. You are not a man of God or you would know this. In the beginning and at the end, Alfa to Omega, A to Z. Child stop leading people astray.
Which god to you refer as I am aware of thousands?
That is the problem, I'm speaking of God not gods and you don't know the difference and you, thou you may think otherwise, you don't understand progression. @@Crecganford
what about the Mesopotamian Twin Horsemen gods that are connected to Gemini? Or Capricorn's connections to Babylon, Amalthea(Zeus' wetnurse), and the possible winter herald Chimera?
А что происходит на южном полушарии Земли , ведь там совсем другое небо , а значит и зодиакальные периоды тоже другие . Какие там знаки зодиака ? Есть ли у народов южного полушария своё виденье ночного неба ?
Did my comment just get deleted?
If it did it was TH-cam as opposed to a manual deletion.
I haven't read David Wray's book "The Secret Roots of Christianity" but his lecture series on the astrological influence of early Christianity is very good. Check James Tabor's channel. The thesis is that Jesus declares that he won't give a wicked generation a sign, only the sign of Jonah, which is the basis for understanding his cosmic significance. (Mt 12.38-42, 16.1-4, Mk 8.11-12, Lk 11.29-32)
1:20 where’s Pluto? i so miss Pluto - my favorite planet, all the way out there doin’ its thing. sigh 🌑🫤🧊🌷🌱
Clickbait! Ophiuchus is hardly mentioned.
I guess you missed the entire chapter on it! Since it is a recent re-inclusion there's not as much information on it. I guess maybe according to you the entire video should have been focused on this one aspect. Sorry you missed it.