Apparently the Pawnee Indians of North America were reasonably advanced star-watchers. They apparently made star-charts on hides. It'd be interesting to review ancient non-western astronomical knowledge.
Remember that old sci fi movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind? All over the world, a series of tones and colors were being - copied around the world? In the movie it was aliens, but let's say a solar maximum of extreme output from the sun, created Aurora Borealis - but huge scale that was observed simultaneously across the planet by various "Priest Class" and recorded on animal hides, cave walls, land formation?
Be advised, don't follow that line ... it is very addictive. I fell into the trap when I looked into sites dealing with ancient constructions. We all accept them because they are there but few ask "How the heck did they DO that?" ... and such answers as we are given often make no sense at all.
Dammit ... I likes me miffs ... I read 'Exploration Fawcett' quite some decades ago (don't ask) and was hooked by the unasked questions; and by the few bones that Fawcett tossed our way. I'm still ravenous, still gnawing bones, my empty-bone pile is now massive - and all I have is ever more questions and a depleting store of years.
Why single out 'Abrahamic'? To me all religions (that I know of) are simply con-games to separate the uncritical/and or uneducated from their funds. I'll cheerfully debate this with anyone that doesn't (it means: does NOT) refer me to their 'holy' book. Brrrrr ... just too many of 'em.@@percubit10
Oh, did you know that for example the city of Troy was a popular history myth ?? Yes that's right, .... until someone actually FOUND that city !!!! So myth are in (lots of) cases, backed my a true moment or event in history. People that say that one thing IS OR ISN'T a MYTH, is actually , in many cases, taking you for a ride
I'm a ♌, down to the extra gravity that bears down on my spinal column, he mentions the cosmic hunt, but modern Astrology is so accurate, you should even consider that Leo's spend their maturnal months in September, thus shaping us even more by the seasons, skeptical therefore more logical than non leos? Logic is intentful, the inhabitants knew the shape of the cities pathways relative to the stars, but when is key here: the painting was commissioned when they saw a link, during king Arthur age, but all roadways/pathways do that is the logical fallacy at hand, it reflects a logical understanding of reality, and human nature, but proves nothing new about anthropology let alone Astrology The logical fallacy that the zodiac was random, based on "subliminal will" of early stone age man, seems to be underlying the viewpoints of modern humans, that is most offensive, the cosmic hunt the vid author points out is most logical explanation of the entire mystery
Gotta give kudos to the incredibly diligent work on the captions. They even cover the sections you respond to! It's a small thing most may not end up seeing but is still highly appreciated.
Excellent as always. Although Katherine Maltwood can be dismissed as an example of mild British eccentricity, one rascal, Iolo Morgannwg (real name Edward Williams) was responsible for the creation of a pseudo-Druid culture in Wales and celebrated as the world famous Eisteddfod festival. Iolo forged amongst many manuscripts the "Lost" poems by Dafydd ap Gwilym, but his enthusiasm included design resulting in construction of Gorsedd megalithic stone circles dotted around Wales, non of which are ancient although many believe them to be so. His design copies Boscawen-Un located in Cornwall. I would loved to have taken tea with Katherine, probably mad as a March Hare but fascinating non the less.
Funny that, last year at this time I was a subscriber to Uncharted X, Brien Forster, Ancient Architects, etc... Now I’m subscribed to this channel, Sacred Geometry Decoded, Stefan Milo, Science Against Myths & Raven’s channel. How times change for us “truth seekers”.
@@WorldofAntiquity I too was asking the questions a lot of them were asking, you and your fellow academics answered those questions with a lot of detail and references. Thanks! It’s good to hear the truth. Funny that those other “truth seekers” haven’t followed down the same path.
@@AdvancedLiving This is the difference between the truth seekers who adapt and change as they see the evidence emerging and the cult followers who dismiss evidence and logic and still worship Brien and Ben.
I live not far from Glastonbury. The whole area was a lake in the neolithic and was still largely under water until the middle ages, it wasn't until the 17th century that it was definitively drained. The Somerset levels still flood most winters to some extent, much to the complaint of the locals. There is simply no way such a landscape could have been created without it sinking back into the mud as in fact happened to all the ancient trackways.
Wonder if it is older than The Younger Dryas Event? Before the end of the last Ice Age, England was a mountain range overlooking a valley extending to the French coast which would have been a elevated platue
@@insightfulcarrier The area was only a few tens of miles from the ice sheet, it was on the northern edge of the Mammoth steppe or tundra. During summer it would have been marginally habitable for hunters following animals migrating north however most of the year it would have been frozen and under snow.
I'm personally an aquarium, and my partner is a stegasuarus. Neither of us believe in the western zodiac, or astrology in general. But am very interested in the magical thinking people adopt. Fascinating. Would love a video on other mystical practices from around the world!
@@chikentori Yes. I'm new to this channel and this video. Maybe the algorithm is starting to recommend the channel. It certainly is a fascinating video.
I really appreciate the attention your videos place on evidence and outlining arguments. I wish more videos considered propositions and built arguments the ways yours do. Keep it up. :)
See Stellarium, sky mapping free and open source. It allows you to display "sky cultures" from various traditions. Wikipedia says that as of version 0.8.1, Stellarium contains 4 different sets of sky cultures: Western, Chinese, Ancient Egyptian, and Polynesian.
I use StarryNightPro7. It is built on #NASAJPL formulas. The software isn't free but currently less than half of what I paid. A video showing how Upper Paleolithic peoples viewed the #constellations using StarryNightPro7 - th-cam.com/video/FkVrGAx1K50/w-d-xo.html
It's not about some shapes of animals .. It's about stars .. Regulus, Spica, Pollux, Kastor, Fomalhaut, Altait, Alktur etc .. Maybe some basic archeoastronomy course ??
@@szpakmateusz8500 There appears to have been animals before the #stars were placed in them to become constellations. We were hunters (and the hunted) before we became skywatchers - th-cam.com/video/GEPNBtihF0g/w-d-xo.html
Another great video. I would love to hear you go over more ancient alien videos. I’ve long since been a fan of the show, and they make it sound so logical to someone with no education on the subject. But you basically debunk it with facts, and that’s what I like. So if you could go over more of ancient aliens episode I would love it
I find it amazing that people way before the first civilizations had at least some interest in the stars. It makes you wonder about human curiosity, and it's fascinating to know that even way back, a human could look at the stars, possibly in awe, and perhaps interpret some patterns or movements in their mind, eventually making up stories, and eventually becomes some deities in newborn mythologies. And later on, into actual history, as we were still amazed by the stars, we wanted to find out more, and then came astronomy, and we started uncovering more and more of their secrets. And now it seems that all that's truly waiting for us, is for us to actually meet those stars, go visit them. Interstellar travel might not be for tomorrow, but perhaps one day mankind could become advanced enough, and reach out there into the darkness above, that same darkness our long distant ancestors gazed at.
Remember Plato story of Atlantis, the ancient history suggested that there were 9 previous disasters like the Great Floor. That the Greeks were a childlike race without memory. Perhaps neolithic man watched the Heavens because they knew Catastrophic events came from the Stars. Comet's, asteroids, super nova.... Solar Maximus events... Important notice which group of stars where present during that event (s) would be considered important to "priest class'
I like the more holistic approach to understanding, different disciplines can become very focused and unaware of discoveries in others by putting them together the whole of fuzzy pictures of past can become more resolved.
So glad these videos are available, every time a friend or family member mentions one of these topics I have an interesting and digestible thing to share with them. For some reason, me googling an answer to give them an answer/explanation is questionable (for my more conspiracy minded friends or family) but, when I send a video (on a Google owned platform haha) they watch them and are more willing to listen
I grew up in South America in a small town with little light pollution and loved to watch the night sky, but had no idea of how to recognize constellations there. I was only able to locate "Las Tres Marías" (which many, many years later I learned were Orion's Belt). Frustrating! How to figure out a zodiac sign among all those thousands of stars? As a young adult I eventually became a radio operator in the Norwegian merchant fleet, but I still hadn't figured out the constellations. I secretly believed that the Pleiades were the Big Dipper (similar shape, right?) and was looking for other constellations in that size range without discovering any. And I was too ashamed of my ignorance to ask... Until one evening while crossing the Mediterranean I was on the bridge watching the sunset, and as the sky turned darker and the first stars began to appear over the horizon I suddenly got THE revelation! I could clearly see that the stars formed the figure of a lion, and it was enormous! So I just stood there mesmerized by the sight until more and more stars became visible and the shape of Leo slowly merged with the star crowded sky.
Leo is at least for me one of the most recognizable constellations, actually resembling its namesake (the bright star Regulus is the front paw), and Cygnys, i.e., Swan is another. But I wonder why Leo appears reflected at 15:10 and at 16:40 ? Its head should look towards right, not left. (Maybe the clips were flipped when borrowed to this video?) And yes, the bridge is of course a good place to watch the stars in the middle watch.
Good job! Your last point about the need for interdisciplinary studies with critical analysis is well-taken. There is so little direct evidence for connections between the calendar and asterisms or constellations that fantasy prevails over science in most cases. People want to see something, therefore the see it. For my part, I have always thought the best evidence for a very ancient connection between asterisms, animals, and possibly seasonal patterns is the Lascaux Aurochs as Taurus with the Hyades on its face and the Pleiades over its shoulder.
I only saw one image, the one with a man next to a bull with a bird at his feet, if the Bull is Taurus, the man is Orion, the bird at his feet would be Lepus the rabbit, which was a Rooster first, the problem is, Orion's Sword is pointing the wrong direction, and the bird is on the wrong side of Orion. I know this are as being "The Silver Gate of Man", between Gemini and Taurus, Orion stands in the center. We have "The Golden Gate of the Gods', behind Sagittarius. Did you know, if you play the words "Say There Is A Guest" in reverse, you can hear it echo "Sagittarius", in ancient times known as Pabilsag, his name means "Chief Ancestor", the father of a dying and rising god known as Damu, which has the meaning of "Relative". Scorpio is hard to echo, but I think it is "Wise Quotes", Scorpio is part of the Golden Gate, as well a Ophiuchus, whose echo is "Seek Reefer", LOL, which aids in your "Wise Quotes". The Silver gate speaks too,and their echoes reveal that this is a "Gate". Play the words "Say Oath--They All Rule--Beyond The Mist". Orion's Sword, pointing at the Bull, it speaks too, Hatysa is the star at it's tip, it means "Slaughter", but in Hebrew, you read read right to left, 'yasa' means "Savior", 'hata' means "to sin", meaning "Savior of Sinners". Hiding the word Hatysa is Haya, meaning "Grain/Seed", like that of a Man, Haya is the God of Scribes, guess what, he is also a Door-Keeper, can you can that a gate, and it is the Scribes that write the Wise Quotes we read to day, and if you play Hatysa in reverse, you hear "iosa", which seems to be another way of spelling Jesus, and that word is associated with meaning "Healer", which brings you back to Damu, which is a healer too. I've read where they said Jesus is "The Lion", in the zodiac, that would be Urgula, we call Leo the Lion, 'ur' means Dog, Gula was the mother of Damu, the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula. Now play "Way--I'll Open It--So They Go--See God", in reverse, they echo "August--Regulus--Denebola-Leo". If you didn't know, Regulus is the Heart, Denebola is the tip of the tail, an odd fact, when the Heart of the Lioness tell her its time to hunt, she uses the tip of her tail to communicate with the others on the hunt. In ancient art, it shows a Goddess riding a Lion, must be Virgo, Latin meaning "virgin", a word that hides Man/Woman, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, in Greek, 'gyne' (gin) means Woman, playing the words "Boy/Girl" in reverse will echo "Virgo". Orion is seen battling the bull Taurus, 7 stars giving Orion his hourglass shape, Hatysa is the 8th brightest, but that is his seed, in Latin, 'septem' means Seven, where we get "September", which has an echo "Her Mithras", the "Gohatya" means "Cow Slaughter". In mythology, Seth threw the man part of Osiris into the marsh, where a upon our Southern Fish ate it, found at the foot of Aquarius, known as The Great One Ea, (Enki). Enki is Wise, if you play the words "Say You're Well Taught" in reverse, it echoes "Aquarius", and the word "Ur" also means Wolf, and "Thou Am Wolf" will echo "Fomalhaut" the mouth of the Southern Fish. The Wolf headed son of Seth was known as Wepwawet, the 7 stars of the Little Dipper, who the ancient Greeks called "The Dog's Tail", fore the 7 stars of The Big Dipper was known as Seth, "Thigh of the Ox Leg". Polaris is our pole star, on the other side of Earth's tilt is Vega, which was known as the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula, wife of Pabilsag, mother of "The Child" Damu. Do you have the ears to hear these words
The concept of the Zodiac is an annular recurrence of groups of star patterns. For ancient humans, these patterns 5:46 became a reference to the changing seasons. Very important to help know when to sew seeds, or when to expect to be able to shear the sheep and goats. The notion within Astrology that there are forces from the cosmos that can and do affect life on the planet. This seems to have some validity within astrophysics. The rest of astrology , Horoscopes, are a means that were conceived to psychologically control individuals it is no different than interpreting the throwing of bones, or dreams. The first factor in astrological control is the ascription of certain traits to marry with astrological patterns of the Zodiac. The best astrologers, would most likely known their aspirant quite well and acted in a fashion of a psychologist. It is in the same realm as oracles and seers.
These clips are killing me and reminding me of why I both love and hate these kinds of shows: the extremely dramatic music stings for...absolutely nothing happening. I watched a bit of The Curse of Oak Island and I will never forget the absolutely hilarious moment of everyone sitting around a computer, looking incredibly bored, as this tense, horror movie music plays, building up, with dramatic camera angles, until, with a sudden swell and silence the computer watcher said: "Still nothin'." and went back to her half nap as the music faded back to neutral as though disappointed with itself. Amazing television, 10/10.
I “love” the ominous music on ancient alien and similar videos. The lyrics are “Idiot, you are easily impressed by confirmation bias”. Not very poetic lyrics, I know.
I don't know if you read comments ten months later but I just wanted to highlight the disingenuousness of the ancient aliens team at the end. Magli says things like, "it may be", "it's possible", Tsoukalos then says, as fact, "they built it to be Gemini, why?" It's a really standard tactic the alternate history crowd do. Take a possibility, in this case exaggerate it, then continue on as if that original idea is established fact. Then from there they build more suggestions, then continue on as if they also are fact. Till by the time you reach the end of a book or TV show you have a whole house of cards built on incredibly shaky foundations. Great content by the way. Definitely got my subscription. I'm enjoying going through your back catalogue
Amazing video and very helpful! A question came up while watching : was there a time where astrology was more of an importantance in society and that social and political decisions where based upon the stars? Or was astrology always a niche like it is now? So for example : was there a time that a Greek king decided to have a Scorpio as an army general because he thought the fireish personality of Scorpio would be more suitable for the job.? Or maybe a Nobel father is picking a Leo for his daughter to be married with. So IF there was a time that astrology was leading the politics why did that ends? Did Christianity downgraded astrology?
Astrology was very much used to make decisions in the ancient Near East and ancient China. There was a bit of it in classical civilization too, but not as much.
@@WorldofAntiquity You may have to look at a video of my comment, because the PUNKS at TH-cam deletes them all the time, so I must record all my reply's, I can call you or TH-cam every 4 letter word in the book, and it would not get deleted until you or someone else reported it, many of my deleted comments are about the zodiac and planets, I reveal how they can speak and YT seems to not like it. I have many short videos of deleted comments from here on YT. I can post a comment to you and YT will delete it and I'll have a video of the deleting from your eyes seeing it, like the one I uploaded this morning, that had nothing but simple math but it was associated with the cycles of the inner planets. What I say next may get this comment deleted, but it will be a small example of what they delete. The word Virgin comes from 2 words, Latin 'VIR' meaning Man, Greek 'GYNE' meaning Woman, in the zodiac that would be Virgo, I use "Say It Backwards", play the words "Boy/Girl" backwards it says "Virgo", something you can not debunk, it says what it says, Virgo rules 3 weeks of September, now play "Her Mistress Boy/Girl"
It was very important for a lot of history - at least in the upper cases. It took a real nosedive during the Enlightenment when there was a shift from more holistic to more secular thinking. But I’m sure there were other times astrology’s important waxed & waned.
Having watched many alternative history shows on TH-cam it’s a real pleasure to watch a learned wet blanket man give commentary. These shows did however give me a lust for all things ancient and without them I wouldn’t have found yours. Good job. Right I’m off to trawl the rest of your vids to get more countervailing perspectives.
wet blanket = noun, Synonyms of wet blanket : one that quenches or dampens enthusiasm or pleasure. Eg: We were all having a good time believing in fairy tales of Atlantis until the wet blanket man from World Of Antiquity said it never happened.
I have no problems with what other people believe. To whatever degrees suits them they've formed conclusions from their researches (okay, their inputs) and seem happy knowing what they know; however rational or otherwise. This is one reason why I rarely debate religion/s ...@@ashesblues1097
@@WorldofAntiquity :: You do us all a disservice, especially after your other good presentations, when you don't go back far enough in time regarding this phenomenon. The Ancient Egyptians were studying this field before any of the Greeks you mentioned and definitely before the Romans. The knowledge of the Ancient Egyptians, in this regard, was the foundation of their existence on the planet, especially the After-Life of the Pharaohs.
@@WorldofAntiquity :: Shu ( the god of the air ) :: January 26-February 24. Born under this sign :: creative / conscientious. Isis ( goddess of discipline ; wife of Osiris ; motherly-love ) :: February 25-March 26. Born under this sign :: straightforward / confident / idealistic. Osiris ( god of the underworld ) :: March 27-April 25. Born under this sign :: emotionally-paradoxical / enterprising / shys-away from responsibility. Amun ( god of creation ) :: April 26-May 25. Under this sign :: strong-willed / brave / good leaders. Hathor ( goddess of love ) :: May 26-June 24. Characteristics :: emotional / expressive / bi-polar. Anubis ( god of resurrection ) :: July 25-August 28. Profile :: self-confident / self-control. Thoth ( god of wisdom & learning ) :: August 29-September 27. critical-thinkers / problem-solvers. Horus ( god of the sky ) :: September 28-October 27. People close to nature / hard-working / responsible / imaginative. Wadget ( goddess of the royal cobra ) :: October 28-November 26. rational / cautious / conscientious / opinionated. Sekhmet ( goddess of war ) :: November 27-December 26. optimistic / imaginative. Sphinx ( "guardian" ) :: December 27-January 25. sensible / adaptable. Seth ( god of chaos ) :: May 28-June 18. ambitious. Bastet ( cat goddess ) :: July 14-28 / September 23-27 / October 3-17. Born under this sign :: charming / charismatic. The Nile ( a non-god ) :: January 1-7 / June 19-September 28. The Nile is the Beginning. passionate / impulsive. Geb ( god of the earth ) :: February 12-19 / August 20-30. diplomatic / tactful. 📌 The Babylonian Empire didn't predate the Egyptian Civilization. Most historians and archeologists place Egyptian Civilization beginning around 3100 BCE, 12 Centuries before the rise of the Babylonians. I'm not a historian or archeologist ... but you guys _who are_ ... should converse more ...
At 23:40 you mention "Samian Ware" as being Greek pottery. I've only heard that term used for the "terra sigillata" made in Gaul during the Roman period.
Hi! Thanks for the info! Is there any easily understood academic book that you would recommend and talks about the history of astrology in the ancient cultures in a introductorily handbooklike manner? Thanks very much in advance.
this is a fantastic presentation. i've often wondered how some small but necessarily disparate number of people way back in antiquity reached a consensus on the symbology they independently observed in the night sky. this has done more to address that interest than probably any other presentation that i've come across. it's also very cool that you lend credence to this interpretation of some of the paleolithic cave paintings. nice work. thank you.
Ah, I think I know about what you'll talk about Golbektepe. I don't belive that "the zodiac" existed until recorded story but I do belive that humans looked and though about the skies. It's something that they must have tried to understand, because "the above" is a place where a bunch of strange phenomenons happen. Things that humans would remember, discuss and record (like they maybe did at Golbek).
I haven't finished watching the video yet but alot of people base their theories on the zodiac being around for at least 10,000 years. I've been wondering how far we can trace them back.
@28:15 the old Astro mapping art…can you provide me the source to that? I want to take a closer look at the individual images. I tried random searches for astrological art and multiple variations and couldn’t find them. If it’s too much trouble I understand it’s not overly important. It just peaked my fancy.
Curious as to why Gobekli Tepe is not discussed here anywhere that I seen yet display relatively clear images of many Astrological symbols. This would lead it back to the stone age roughly. I get Archeology loves to ignore that site at all cost it seems but I am curious about why it was skipped over when it suggest the entire thesis of this video is incorrect.
I know this is probably a long shot but what website is that at the 10:12 mark? I've tried to find it but no luck. Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.
Interesting video, though here is some food for thought Gobekle Tepe in Anatolia may be the earliest confirmable reference we have for prehistoric man's understanding of the Zodiac, and for precession in particular. The archaeological site, located within the Taurus Mountains, has been found to represent the Pleiades in their circular placement. We know this because, unbeknownst to many, Gobekli Tepe, and Enclosure D in particular (which is the largest this far) is located within a massive geoglyph of a bull. This is only seen from above, and the enclosures are located exactly within the "bull's" shoulder, which has historically been understood to represent the Pleiades. Unfortuantely, tourism has destroyed most resemblance of this geoglyph to accommodate parking lots and tourist centers. This hypothesis is further corroborated by the now famous Pillar 43 you mentioned, which likely represents Cygnus and Scorpio in their correct positions. While this is not a fully realized set of 12 constellations the gradually shifting orientations of the enclosures as time dragged on suggests that the builders of the site understood that the sky shifted with time, and while no evidence has been found thus far to prove this (its likely still buried) its not a far stretch from here to assume they came to understand Precession. Just imagine how dizzying it must have been for the first shamans, usually in their psychedelic stupor, that realized the they were standing on a wobbling needlepoint. Im a Libra sun and Mercury with Cancer Moon and Rising,. I have to consider possibility that makes too much sense for it not to make sense. Im also Scorpio Mars and Venus, so I can get aggressive, which I would like to apologize to the creator for cuz we butted heads earlier. Ill read your rebuttal later.
4:09 "from mediterranian sailors who used it for navigation" - i once learned about a hypothesis, that those constellations were formed to resemble coastlines, not only in the mediterranian but around europe. That is approximately the region where most megalithic structures are found. But some constellations might also resemble the currents leading cross the atlantic to america and back to europe, and some coastlines in the carribean. It is been said, that Ophiuchus, the "bearer of the snake", leads over the atlantic. And that again reminds me of the american myth about the "Feathered Snake", that came from the west. These currents might also be depicted in the El Castillo cave, along pictures of ancient sailing ships. Coincidence? Or is it a jigsaw puzzle coming together?
One can see the stars about 30 min before sunrise. They were also charting the stars every night so they knew what would happen the next month, week, day and hour
It's not a dumb question at all. But not only does the sun travel along that path during the day, planets also travel along it at night. Early astronomers from several different cultures were able to make this observation
Have you ever thought on writing a series on the Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian etc. gods/myths and their development throughout time? Like take a god/myth, show how society transformed its representation along the eras? After I found out Aphrodite was a bootlegged Inanna I was shook, SHOOK! I always thought the Greek gods were... you know... Greek! I even tried to read more about them going into primary sources and stuff, but the problem is that I can't figure out which text came first, or from where, or from whom. So far, I understood geopolitical movements drastically changed the pantheon, their relations to each other and specially the main god, but I have not enough knowledge to figure out WHAT IS GOING ON! Hehehehehehehehe... HEEEEEEEEELP! Like, who's the first chief of the gods? Anu? Enki? Enlil? Does it change from Sumerians to Assyrians, or even withing Sumerian society? WHO IS MARDUK and who invited him? Is Anu and Uranus the same guy? What about the Kumarbi? Is the cutting of the ... jews... a Hurrian thing that became a Hittite thing, and finally a Greek thing? Or Enlil was chopping some godhood away millennia ago? Is it true that Ereshkigal became Persephone and Ashera Demeter first in the rape os Kore for the Myceneans and years later they decided to do a Hollywood and reboot the myth into an Adonis story with Persephone and proper Aphrodite? I even read somewhere that Anu, or Enlil (I can't remember which), was written in a very similar group of consonants as YHWH. It was something like YHNH or YNWH I can't remember! Is mythology and religion the ancient version of the DC Universe with their 8 Jokers, some of them contemporary?
It's a fascinating topic that I may get to someday. But it's important to differentiate between a situation in which a deity is taken from another country and a situation in which an already-existing deity from one country is equated with an already-existing deity from another. The latter happened a lot. For example, the Roman god Jupiter and the Greek god Zeus were equated, but that doesn't mean the Romans got their god from the Greeks. Jupiter and Zeus existed in their respective cultures before the Romans and Greeks ever met.
@@WorldofAntiquity yeees, like in Brazil where the Yoruba god Oxalá became equated to Jesus in current time! So now we have black-jesus, or crucified Yoruba god. I just find fascinating the WHY of it. Unfortunately, the ancient Middle East/Southern Europe/Northern Africa thing is not for noobs! hehehehehehehhee
I find your content so intriguing that I would like to share it with my friends (and "enemies"), but most of them speak Spanish. Would you be interested in a translation?
As a practitioner of astrological magic, I believe the absence of the signs mentioned in the boundary stones could be related to those signs not being suitable for the workings intended, since most of them are “soft” signs in themselves and the planets related to them.
@14:02... It is possible to date those constellations (if that is indeed what they represent) astronomically, by taking precession and the proper motion of those individual stars over time into account. I wonder whether the researchers who proposed this, have tried to date the paintings of the El Castillo cave this way? Do you know?
Another great one, couldn't agree with more with your point about interdisciplinary collaboration. Not only do I think a lot of these pseudo-historians miss out on a lot of art and aesthetic knowledge (as in maybe it's shaped like that because humans think that shape looks nice), but they also seem to fall into some gaps that a little behavioral science could fill in. For example, when you're talking about the lineage of the zodiac, you say the Romans "got it" from the Greeks, and the Greeks "got it" from the Babylonians, and so on. That process of "getting it" is, I think, where historical evidence is most lacking, and so it's the gap that conspiracy theorists fill in with Aliens, the Illuminati, the European monoculture, etc. A little bit of behavioral biology might tell us that those ancient people were exactly the same as us, they think like us, feel like us, etc. That means it very well could have been some Greek dude who saw a Sumerian dude's star chart and thought it looked cool. Maybe he's inspired to do one for his Greek buddies, but they wouldn't really get the reference of the swallows, and they won't know who Dumuzi is, so our Greek guy will have to change some things so the locals will get it easier. Of course, there's no evidence for that at all, that's why we have to say they "got it from" instead of so-and-so was inspired by this other guy. But if you're going to get into speculation and use your imagination to fill in those blanks, why is it always Aliens? Why can't it be "yeah, lions are cool, let's put a lion on our thing, too!" Anyway, thanks for another amazing video!
Dammit. I like aliens. Cool idea, no? But- -but to be from outside of our own solar system would make their travels untenably lengthy in duration; unless they could somehow tweak Time. (And then we be opening yet more cans of worms, not limited to just the religious ramifications.)
I have been waiting for this since you talked about it on Stefan's channel. I am an Astrologer but have always been interested in the ancient origins and when I heard you and Stefan talk about this I was really excited. Sometimes when you are really looking forward to something and you build it up in your mind the reality can be disappointing. Instead, this has surpassed my expectations. This is a video I will be watching many times over. Thank you so much for doing this and well done.
How about teaming up with an astronomer and show the distance between each star in any given constellation. Show the constellations in 3d, as opposed to the 2d we see. Then invite any astrologer to explain how these bodies, in their real dimensions and proportions, can effect a person's characteristics and daily condition?
@World of Antiquity, at the beginning around 1:30, you say we inherited the 48 constellations from the Ancient Romans. What’s your source for that information?
Roman sources are full of references to the constellations, but Ptolemy's Almagest, which although written in Greek, comes from Roman times, and it has the full list of 48. Of course, we use the Latin (i.e., Roman) versions of the names, instead of Greek. Tycho Brahe based his star catalog on Ptolemy's, and that's where we got them.
I had to come see how you put this together, Doc. I ain't a fan of Ancient Aliens, but I do like me some archaeoastronomy. Do you nail this, or before I respond to your vid on pillar 43 am I gonna have to do this? Will your vid on pillar 43 change my opinion? Will this video change my opinion? I dunno, let's find out *cracks beer
Good stuff, although I do believe you're missing part of the picture. But you touched on why at the end, you're an archeologist, not an astronomer or such. But I do applaud you not taking some "we got this artifact and its the oldest so meh" position, which would be the most advantageous for you in these debates. I know I criticize you sometimes, in defense of Hancock's work usually, but I criticize Hancock a ton too. Not playing teams here, I want truth.
Here is one piece of information that maybe attract your attention. It's about the perfect overlap between the Vedic way of calculating time and astrophysics, i.e. the cycle of the movement of our planet. It is generally known that modern science recognizes a third axis along which the earth moves, which is called the precession of the equinoxes or Plato's year, or Great Year, and which lasts 25920 years. When it is divided by 12, that is, the number of constellations towards which the central axis of the earth tilts, we get a period of 2160 years per constellation (time period in the zodiac sign). So, roughly, from 139 BC to 2021 AD, we were in the Age of Pisces (Christians used fish as a symbol of the new age), from 2299 BC to 138 we were in the age of Aries, from 4459 BC to 2298 BC we were in the age of the Taurus (from the end of that era is the famous sculpture of Mithra killing the bull), ... and and so on. On the other hand, we have the existence of two formalized traditions with different interpretations of cosmic time, the followers of Asuras and the followers of Devas. That is, Two variations of Surya Siddhanta: The first Mayasura with Conjunction in Aries FEB 22. 6778 BC and second Latadeva with Conjunction in Pisces 17/18. FEB. 3101 BC. According to the second Latadeva tradition, the Maha yuga lasts for 4.320.000 years and is divided into four periods, each twice shorter than the previous one. Satya yuga lasts 1.728.000 years, Treta Yuga lasts 1.296.000, Dvapa yuga lasts 864.000 years and Kali yuga lasts 432.000 years. If we take any of those numbers and try to divide them by the previously mentioned length duration of the time period of one zodiac sign (2160 years) we get whole numbers, not decimal numbers as would be normal to expect. And so: Kali yuga in 432000 years contains exactly 200 such periods of zodiac signs Dvapa yuga in 864000 years contains exactly 400 such periods of zodiac signs Treta Yuga in 1296000 years contains exactly 600 such periods of the zodiac signs Satya yuga in 1728000 years contains exactly 800 periods of such zodiac signs Maha yuga thus lasts exactly 2000 periods of the zodiac signs. The chance that it's just a coincidence is less than 0.05 percent. Conclusion is that our ancestors were familiar with the precession of the equinoxes from at least 31,044 BC, which is how long it took them to follow only one full precession cycle.
Thank you, very interesting, especially the first part about the history of the zodiac. I have a question about the Egyptian zodiac. Did they take it from the Babylonians?
Great video as usual! When I was much younger, I took a great interest in astrology. I can guarantee that back in the 80s, no one was discussing anything about the history of the zodiac. So this was very engrossing... up to the part from Ancient Mysteries. I understand why you want to engage and refute that kind of stuff, but it wasn't nearly as interesting as the actual pieces of history you discussed before that section.
I really appreciate the thoroughness of this video, and the solid critique of the last few examples. I especially like your call to interdisciplinary collaboration. I don't know if you are aware that there is a scientist who discovered those same for fixed zodiac signs on stones at Göbekli Tepe which would date the zodiac prior to 9000BC E. So at this point we would be talking about the zodiac lost in antiquity and being possibly sourced in Atlantis, if Atlantis, did indeed exist. Also, thank you for not taking jabs at Astrology itself. Also, look into Robert hand, if you have not yet. And if you want to get red pilled on Astrology, see Cosmos and Psyche by Rick Tarnas. Cheers! OK I see you do have a video one Gobekli Pepe and the zodiac.
When I first came across this years ago it was in an article noting a lot of what you mention plus the fact that scale is never taken into account. A pencil line on a map can cover anything from metres to miles on the ground depending on scale. Eg roads are marked with thin lines on maps but we all know that they are metres wide on the ground.
I've read there is a Sumerian system, or Akkadian, that started with twelve bright stars in the sky, one for each month, and developed into the twelve zodiacs over a couple thousand years to around 700-600 BCE. Any basis for this in history?
Astrology is fascinating! Although i don't believe that planets can influence the course of our life( i don't believe either that a ghost can decide our destiny) i find amazing that it comes from ancient times and still exists😲
What about the Nasca Lines representing some of the constellations? Does it not have a Scorpian in it? I have always thought that they were trying to replicate the sky on the ground for some reason since there is no exact determined reason that they were made. It is just a thought
Were these early zodiacs associated with both yearly and precessional cycles? When did the concept of the astrological age begin? How ancient people could deduce such a phenomenon is incredible. What exactly is that tablet depicting a lion on the back of a dragon shown at minute 6:00?
They were definitely associated with the yearly cycle. It was invented before precession was understood. The concept of astrological ages came a lot later. That tablet is one of the Babylonian tablets that describe the Zodiac. But I think other constellations are mentioned as well. I am pretty sure the lizard is the constellation Hydra.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks, I found it. Berlin Museum VAT 7847. You see a similar scene at Dendera with the Lion on the back of the snake but facing the opposite direction.
Dating constellations is not a static thing, either. The stars are not in the same positions today as they were 2000 years ago, much less 10,000, etc. years ago. If I remember correctly, enough space has opened up in the last 2000 years between the Greco-Roman constellations for a 13th to be added.
@@deathdoor It's more just that stars are physically moving apart and relative to each other and us, and Earth's axis has shifted in the last 3000 years. This article from NASA explains it a little better than me. nasa.tumblr.com/post/150688852794/zodiac?linkId=94146490
As old astronomy was same as astrology, sort of .... would like to know how far back in time "accurate " astronomy can be traced. From equinox, to stars in relation to equinox, and "earths rotating tilt". .........Badly phrased, but should be easy to understand what I...
I was wondering if the whole concept of the Leo constellation could go back as before the modern humans began to spread out of Africa, or at least before they entered Europe? If "Leo" traveled along the same migratory routes with early humans into Mesopotamia and then Europe that could account for the Lion being a symbol and/or constellation in both places.
@@maidende8280 Plus there is no evidence of any formulation of zodiac signs between 50-70,000 years ago when the initial out of Africa migrations are believed to have occurred.
Never could work out how the ancients joined the dots. Because I cant 'see' any of the supposed signs when I look at the night sky. Years ago I was interested in finding out about hiroscopes etc. I found some big books in local reference library. It didnt take me long to discover that each personality type was the same as all the others just using different words or putting characteristics in different orders. It also had negative attributes. These is never mentioned by most books or articles. It was very interesting but, just as reading more about my religion had done, persuaded me that it was all nonsense.
There's one distinct characteristics or observation according to me is .....most of the ancient history is looked only in the eyes of romans Greeks Mesopotamian Babylonian only that region . to give ur viewers an example in a different perspective India and China population didn't reach to the present numbers overnight ....it took generations of generations . if people from these two land/regions have survived and flourished in this era that means they had survived and flourished thousands of years ago. Time keeping was one of the most important or if not without which civilizations couldn't have existed Astronomy and astrology are very very intricate part of peoples lives in that era , so does ancient Indian and Chinese or African etc etc civilizations
The constellations are a natural consequence of the projected path of the sun in the celestial ecliptic, so as soon as humans noticed this path, they began attributing importance to those specific "sets" of stars. Great channel, every video I've watched so far is interesting.
LOVE the channel, been binging all your stuff! It took work to find channels that arent total nonsense on youtube, you and "history for granite" are wonderful! If anyone has some other suggestions for other non-crackpot channels i'd love to hear them :>
I love that we now know that some of the 'stars' in constellations are actually far distant galaxies. Also that the light from each 'star' left its home at different numbers of light years before being visible on earth. And that the light from our nearest star, the sun, isnt included in the main influences attributed to the constellations. All because the ancients didnt have telescopes. Astronomers didnt even know there were galaxies other than the milky way until 1924 when Edwin Hubble discovered that there were other galaxies out there.
Apparently the Pawnee Indians of North America were reasonably advanced star-watchers. They apparently made star-charts on hides. It'd be interesting to review ancient non-western astronomical knowledge.
Remember that old sci fi movie, Close Encounters of The Third Kind? All over the world, a series of tones and colors were being - copied around the world? In the movie it was aliens, but let's say a solar maximum of extreme output from the sun, created Aurora Borealis - but huge scale that was observed simultaneously across the planet by various "Priest Class" and recorded on animal hides, cave walls, land formation?
Be advised, don't follow that line ... it is very addictive. I fell into the trap when I looked into sites dealing with ancient constructions. We all accept them because they are there but few ask "How the heck did they DO that?" ... and such answers as we are given often make no sense at all.
I’m obsessed with these videos. As a history major in college I like how you use actual academic methods to debunk popular history myths
Myths
Dammit ... I likes me miffs ...
I read 'Exploration Fawcett' quite some decades ago (don't ask) and was hooked by the unasked questions; and by the few bones that Fawcett tossed our way. I'm still ravenous, still gnawing bones, my empty-bone pile is now massive - and all I have is ever more questions and a depleting store of years.
@@johnhough7738 There is some truth to these. More truth here than in Christianity or Islam or any other Abrahamic religions.
Why single out 'Abrahamic'?
To me all religions (that I know of) are simply con-games to separate the uncritical/and or uneducated from their funds.
I'll cheerfully debate this with anyone that doesn't (it means: does NOT) refer me to their 'holy' book. Brrrrr ... just too many of 'em.@@percubit10
Oh, did you know that for example the city of Troy was a popular history myth ?? Yes that's right, .... until someone actually FOUND that city !!!! So myth are in (lots of) cases, backed my a true moment or event in history. People that say that one thing IS OR ISN'T a MYTH, is actually , in many cases, taking you for a ride
I don't believe in Astrology. I'm a Leo and Leo's are skeptical.
I'm a ♌, down to the extra gravity that bears down on my spinal column, he mentions the cosmic hunt, but modern Astrology is so accurate, you should even consider that Leo's spend their maturnal months in September, thus shaping us even more by the seasons, skeptical therefore more logical than non leos?
Logic is intentful, the inhabitants knew the shape of the cities pathways relative to the stars, but when is key here: the painting was commissioned when they saw a link, during king Arthur age, but all roadways/pathways do that is the logical fallacy at hand, it reflects a logical understanding of reality, and human nature, but proves nothing new about anthropology let alone Astrology
The logical fallacy that the zodiac was random, based on "subliminal will" of early stone age man, seems to be underlying the viewpoints of modern humans, that is most offensive, the cosmic hunt the vid author points out is most logical explanation of the entire mystery
So you believe astrology at the same time you reject it🙄
I don't believe in astrology, either. But them I am Aquarius and Aquarians are too intelligent to believe in astrology and _Woo!_
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Gotta give kudos to the incredibly diligent work on the captions. They even cover the sections you respond to! It's a small thing most may not end up seeing but is still highly appreciated.
Thanks. I have only done it with a few videos so far, but I am working on it.
Excellent as always. Although Katherine Maltwood can be dismissed as an example of mild British eccentricity, one rascal, Iolo Morgannwg (real name Edward Williams) was responsible for the creation of a pseudo-Druid culture in Wales and celebrated as the world famous Eisteddfod festival. Iolo forged amongst many manuscripts the "Lost" poems by Dafydd ap Gwilym, but his enthusiasm included design resulting in construction of Gorsedd megalithic stone circles dotted around Wales, non of which are ancient although many believe them to be so. His design copies Boscawen-Un located in Cornwall. I would loved to have taken tea with Katherine, probably mad as a March Hare but fascinating non the less.
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite channels, David.
Funny that, last year at this time I was a subscriber to Uncharted X, Brien Forster, Ancient Architects, etc... Now I’m subscribed to this channel, Sacred Geometry Decoded, Stefan Milo, Science Against Myths & Raven’s channel. How times change for us “truth seekers”.
It's great to hear that listening to both sides has been of benefit to you!
@@WorldofAntiquity I too was asking the questions a lot of them were asking, you and your fellow academics answered those questions with a lot of detail and references. Thanks! It’s good to hear the truth. Funny that those other “truth seekers” haven’t followed down the same path.
@@AdvancedLiving This is the difference between the truth seekers who adapt and change as they see the evidence emerging and the cult followers who dismiss evidence and logic and still worship Brien and Ben.
I live not far from Glastonbury. The whole area was a lake in the neolithic and was still largely under water until the middle ages, it wasn't until the 17th century that it was definitively drained. The Somerset levels still flood most winters to some extent, much to the complaint of the locals. There is simply no way such a landscape could have been created without it sinking back into the mud as in fact happened to all the ancient trackways.
Wonder if it is older than The Younger Dryas Event? Before the end of the last Ice Age, England was a mountain range overlooking a valley extending to the French coast which would have been a elevated platue
@@insightfulcarrier The area was only a few tens of miles from the ice sheet, it was on the northern edge of the Mammoth steppe or tundra. During summer it would have been marginally habitable for hunters following animals migrating north however most of the year it would have been frozen and under snow.
Finally. Some trustworthy information on the history of the Zodiac calendar.
I'm personally an aquarium, and my partner is a stegasuarus.
Neither of us believe in the western zodiac, or astrology in general. But am very interested in the magical thinking people adopt. Fascinating.
Would love a video on other mystical practices from around the world!
I'm a Vertigo.
@@bozo5632 you win 😂😂😂
I'm a Lego lion.
@@skipinkoreaable good to see that this video continues to attract attention!
@@chikentori Yes. I'm new to this channel and this video. Maybe the algorithm is starting to recommend the channel. It certainly is a fascinating video.
A real teacher at heart. A role model for any teacher or parent
Capricornus as a goat-fish did carry over to cultures after Babylon. That is how it is depicted in many old Eurpopean star maps.
Interesting. Good to know!
@@WorldofAntiquity goat with fish tail is the default representation of Capricorn I see in most horoscopes, and even little desktop figurines or cups.
I really appreciate the attention your videos place on evidence and outlining arguments. I wish more videos considered propositions and built arguments the ways yours do. Keep it up. :)
Great video! Very informative and helpful in validating my own thoughts on the topic. Thank you for diving into this one.
See Stellarium, sky mapping free and open source. It allows you to display "sky cultures" from various traditions.
Wikipedia says that as of version 0.8.1, Stellarium contains 4 different sets of sky cultures: Western, Chinese, Ancient Egyptian, and Polynesian.
Thanks for the tip!
I use StarryNightPro7. It is built on #NASAJPL formulas. The software isn't free but currently less than half of what I paid. A video showing how Upper Paleolithic peoples viewed the #constellations using StarryNightPro7 - th-cam.com/video/FkVrGAx1K50/w-d-xo.html
It's not about some shapes of animals .. It's about stars .. Regulus, Spica, Pollux, Kastor, Fomalhaut, Altait, Alktur etc .. Maybe some basic archeoastronomy course ??
@@szpakmateusz8500 There appears to have been animals before the #stars were placed in them to become constellations. We were hunters (and the hunted) before we became skywatchers - th-cam.com/video/GEPNBtihF0g/w-d-xo.html
Was going to give a Million dollars but the crab wasn't wearing pants.
A Diablo 4 ad at 12:08 played just after you said “but first a necessary evil”👹😈😅
Stellar work Dr Miano, your a real star!
Ha thanks. I like the pun!
Another great video. I would love to hear you go over more ancient alien videos. I’ve long since been a fan of the show, and they make it sound so logical to someone with no education on the subject. But you basically debunk it with facts, and that’s what I like. So if you could go over more of ancient aliens episode I would love it
I find it amazing that people way before the first civilizations had at least some interest in the stars. It makes you wonder about human curiosity, and it's fascinating to know that even way back, a human could look at the stars, possibly in awe, and perhaps interpret some patterns or movements in their mind, eventually making up stories, and eventually becomes some deities in newborn mythologies. And later on, into actual history, as we were still amazed by the stars, we wanted to find out more, and then came astronomy, and we started uncovering more and more of their secrets. And now it seems that all that's truly waiting for us, is for us to actually meet those stars, go visit them. Interstellar travel might not be for tomorrow, but perhaps one day mankind could become advanced enough, and reach out there into the darkness above, that same darkness our long distant ancestors gazed at.
Remember Plato story of Atlantis, the ancient history suggested that there were 9 previous disasters like the Great Floor. That the Greeks were a childlike race without memory. Perhaps neolithic man watched the Heavens because they knew Catastrophic events came from the Stars. Comet's, asteroids, super nova.... Solar Maximus events... Important notice which group of stars where present during that event (s) would be considered important to "priest class'
So much to learn! Gemini Readings
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Beautifully said
I would hate to have walked on the Great Floor.
I like the more holistic approach to understanding, different disciplines can become very focused and unaware of discoveries in others by putting them together the whole of fuzzy pictures of past can become more resolved.
So glad these videos are available, every time a friend or family member mentions one of these topics I have an interesting and digestible thing to share with them. For some reason, me googling an answer to give them an answer/explanation is questionable (for my more conspiracy minded friends or family) but, when I send a video (on a Google owned platform haha) they watch them and are more willing to listen
Very interesting. Thanks for the upload.
I feel like "a deficiency of knowledge" should be the motto of Ancient Aliens.
I'm glad history with Kayleigh suggested your channel. Awesome video
I grew up in South America in a small town with little light pollution and loved to watch the night sky, but had no idea of how to recognize constellations there. I was only able to locate "Las Tres Marías" (which many, many years later I learned were Orion's Belt). Frustrating! How to figure out a zodiac sign among all those thousands of stars?
As a young adult I eventually became a radio operator in the Norwegian merchant fleet, but I still hadn't figured out the constellations. I secretly believed that the Pleiades were the Big Dipper (similar shape, right?) and was looking for other constellations in that size range without discovering any. And I was too ashamed of my ignorance to ask...
Until one evening while crossing the Mediterranean I was on the bridge watching the sunset, and as the sky turned darker and the first stars began to appear over the horizon I suddenly got THE revelation! I could clearly see that the stars formed the figure of a lion, and it was enormous! So I just stood there mesmerized by the sight until more and more stars became visible and the shape of Leo slowly merged with the star crowded sky.
Leo is at least for me one of the most recognizable constellations, actually resembling its namesake (the bright star Regulus is the front paw), and Cygnys, i.e., Swan is another. But I wonder why Leo appears reflected at 15:10 and at 16:40 ? Its head should look towards right, not left. (Maybe the clips were flipped when borrowed to this video?)
And yes, the bridge is of course a good place to watch the stars in the middle watch.
didn't watch this one on its release but glad I made up today.. you're right. interdisciplinary research is the key to understanding in depth.
Good job! Your last point about the need for interdisciplinary studies with critical analysis is well-taken. There is so little direct evidence for connections between the calendar and asterisms or constellations that fantasy prevails over science in most cases. People want to see something, therefore the see it. For my part, I have always thought the best evidence for a very ancient connection between asterisms, animals, and possibly seasonal patterns is the Lascaux Aurochs as Taurus with the Hyades on its face and the Pleiades over its shoulder.
I only saw one image, the one with a man next to a bull with a bird at his feet, if the Bull is Taurus, the man is Orion, the bird at his feet would be Lepus the rabbit, which was a Rooster first, the problem is, Orion's Sword is pointing the wrong direction, and the bird is on the wrong side of Orion. I know this are as being "The Silver Gate of Man", between Gemini and Taurus, Orion stands in the center. We have "The Golden Gate of the Gods', behind Sagittarius.
Did you know, if you play the words "Say There Is A Guest" in reverse, you can hear it echo "Sagittarius", in ancient times known as Pabilsag, his name means "Chief Ancestor", the father of a dying and rising god known as Damu, which has the meaning of "Relative". Scorpio is hard to echo, but I think it is "Wise Quotes", Scorpio is part of the Golden Gate, as well a Ophiuchus, whose echo is "Seek Reefer", LOL, which aids in your "Wise Quotes". The Silver gate speaks too,and their echoes reveal that this is a "Gate".
Play the words "Say Oath--They All Rule--Beyond The Mist". Orion's Sword, pointing at the Bull, it speaks too, Hatysa is the star at it's tip, it means "Slaughter", but in Hebrew, you read read right to left, 'yasa' means "Savior", 'hata' means "to sin", meaning "Savior of Sinners". Hiding the word Hatysa is Haya, meaning "Grain/Seed", like that of a Man, Haya is the God of Scribes, guess what, he is also a Door-Keeper, can you can that a gate, and it is the Scribes that write the Wise Quotes we read to day, and if you play Hatysa in reverse, you hear "iosa", which seems to be another way of spelling Jesus, and that word is associated with meaning "Healer", which brings you back to Damu, which is a healer too.
I've read where they said Jesus is "The Lion", in the zodiac, that would be Urgula, we call Leo the Lion, 'ur' means Dog, Gula was the mother of Damu, the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula.
Now play "Way--I'll Open It--So They Go--See God", in reverse, they echo "August--Regulus--Denebola-Leo". If you didn't know, Regulus is the Heart, Denebola is the tip of the tail, an odd fact, when the Heart of the Lioness tell her its time to hunt, she uses the tip of her tail to communicate with the others on the hunt. In ancient art, it shows a Goddess riding a Lion, must be Virgo, Latin meaning "virgin", a word that hides Man/Woman, in Latin, 'vir' means Man, in Greek, 'gyne' (gin) means Woman, playing the words "Boy/Girl" in reverse will echo "Virgo". Orion is seen battling the bull Taurus, 7 stars giving Orion his hourglass shape, Hatysa is the 8th brightest, but that is his seed, in Latin, 'septem' means Seven, where we get "September", which has an echo "Her Mithras", the "Gohatya" means "Cow Slaughter".
In mythology, Seth threw the man part of Osiris into the marsh, where a upon our Southern Fish ate it, found at the foot of Aquarius, known as The Great One Ea, (Enki). Enki is Wise, if you play the words "Say You're Well Taught" in reverse, it echoes "Aquarius", and the word "Ur" also means Wolf, and "Thou Am Wolf" will echo "Fomalhaut" the mouth of the Southern Fish. The Wolf headed son of Seth was known as Wepwawet, the 7 stars of the Little Dipper, who the ancient Greeks called "The Dog's Tail", fore the 7 stars of The Big Dipper was known as Seth, "Thigh of the Ox Leg". Polaris is our pole star, on the other side of Earth's tilt is Vega, which was known as the Dog headed goddess Bau-Gula, wife of Pabilsag, mother of "The Child" Damu.
Do you have the ears to hear these words
The only complaint about these videos is that the are too short. LOL I love the information you are arming us with. Keep it up.
The concept of the Zodiac is an annular recurrence of groups of star patterns. For ancient humans, these patterns 5:46 became a reference to the changing seasons. Very important to help know when to sew seeds, or when to expect to be able to shear the sheep and goats. The notion within Astrology that there are forces from the cosmos that can and do affect life on the planet. This seems to have some validity within astrophysics. The rest of astrology , Horoscopes, are a means that were conceived to psychologically control individuals it is no different than interpreting the throwing of bones, or dreams.
The first factor in astrological control is the ascription of certain traits to marry with astrological patterns of the Zodiac. The best astrologers, would most likely known their aspirant quite well and acted in a fashion of a psychologist. It is in the same realm as oracles and seers.
These clips are killing me and reminding me of why I both love and hate these kinds of shows: the extremely dramatic music stings for...absolutely nothing happening.
I watched a bit of The Curse of Oak Island and I will never forget the absolutely hilarious moment of everyone sitting around a computer, looking incredibly bored, as this tense, horror movie music plays, building up, with dramatic camera angles, until, with a sudden swell and silence the computer watcher said: "Still nothin'." and went back to her half nap as the music faded back to neutral as though disappointed with itself.
Amazing television, 10/10.
Watching all of your content, truly great stuff
Thanks!
I love how you explain history. I have learned more from you then I ever did when I went to school!!
I “love” the ominous music on ancient alien and similar videos. The lyrics are “Idiot, you are easily impressed by confirmation bias”. Not very poetic lyrics, I know.
I don't know if you read comments ten months later but I just wanted to highlight the disingenuousness of the ancient aliens team at the end. Magli says things like, "it may be", "it's possible", Tsoukalos then says, as fact, "they built it to be Gemini, why?" It's a really standard tactic the alternate history crowd do. Take a possibility, in this case exaggerate it, then continue on as if that original idea is established fact. Then from there they build more suggestions, then continue on as if they also are fact. Till by the time you reach the end of a book or TV show you have a whole house of cards built on incredibly shaky foundations.
Great content by the way. Definitely got my subscription. I'm enjoying going through your back catalogue
Yes, they do that a lot, don't they? Thank you for watching!
what about VEDIC ASTROLOGY?
Amazing video and very helpful! A question came up while watching : was there a time where astrology was more of an importantance in society and that social and political decisions where based upon the stars? Or was astrology always a niche like it is now?
So for example : was there a time that a Greek king decided to have a Scorpio as an army general because he thought the fireish personality of Scorpio would be more suitable for the job.? Or maybe a Nobel father is picking a Leo for his daughter to be married with.
So IF there was a time that astrology was leading the politics why did that ends? Did Christianity downgraded astrology?
Astrology was very much used to make decisions in the ancient Near East and ancient China. There was a bit of it in classical civilization too, but not as much.
Astrology is day to day life in India.
@@WorldofAntiquity You may have to look at a video of my comment, because the PUNKS at TH-cam deletes them all the time, so I must record all my reply's, I can call you or TH-cam every 4 letter word in the book, and it would not get deleted until you or someone else reported it, many of my deleted comments are about the zodiac and planets, I reveal how they can speak and YT seems to not like it. I have many short videos of deleted comments from here on YT.
I can post a comment to you and YT will delete it and I'll have a video of the deleting from your eyes seeing it, like the one I uploaded this morning, that had nothing but simple math but it was associated with the cycles of the inner planets. What I say next may get this comment deleted, but it will be a small example of what they delete.
The word Virgin comes from 2 words, Latin 'VIR' meaning Man, Greek 'GYNE' meaning Woman, in the zodiac that would be Virgo, I use "Say It Backwards", play the words "Boy/Girl" backwards it says "Virgo", something you can not debunk, it says what it says, Virgo rules 3 weeks of September, now play "Her Mistress Boy/Girl"
It was very important for a lot of history - at least in the upper cases. It took a real nosedive during the Enlightenment when there was a shift from more holistic to more secular thinking. But I’m sure there were other times astrology’s important waxed & waned.
@@honeyhunters6055 the planet has moved. The signs are now off apparently.
Having watched many alternative history shows on TH-cam it’s a real pleasure to watch a learned wet blanket man give commentary. These shows did however give me a lust for all
things ancient and without them I wouldn’t have found yours. Good job. Right I’m off to trawl the rest of your vids to get more countervailing perspectives.
Okay.
I give up.
"Wet blanket man"?
wet blanket = noun, Synonyms of wet blanket : one that quenches or dampens enthusiasm or pleasure. Eg: We were all having a good time believing in fairy tales of Atlantis until the wet blanket man from World Of Antiquity said it never happened.
I have no problems with what other people believe. To whatever degrees suits them they've formed conclusions from their researches (okay, their inputs) and seem happy knowing what they know; however rational or otherwise. This is one reason why I rarely debate religion/s ...@@ashesblues1097
another excellent presentation, great work David!
Thank you!
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You do us all a disservice, especially after your other good presentations, when you don't go back far enough in time regarding this phenomenon. The Ancient Egyptians were studying this field before any of the Greeks you mentioned and definitely before the Romans. The knowledge of the Ancient Egyptians, in this regard, was the foundation of their existence on the planet, especially the After-Life of the Pharaohs.
@@cliffgaither If you know of any Egyptian documents that speak of the Zodiac prior to the Babylonians, please let us know what they are.
@@WorldofAntiquity ::
Shu ( the god of the air ) :: January 26-February 24. Born under this sign :: creative / conscientious.
Isis ( goddess of discipline ; wife of Osiris ; motherly-love ) :: February 25-March 26. Born under this sign :: straightforward / confident / idealistic.
Osiris ( god of the underworld ) :: March 27-April 25. Born under this sign :: emotionally-paradoxical / enterprising / shys-away from responsibility.
Amun ( god of creation ) :: April 26-May 25. Under this sign :: strong-willed / brave / good leaders.
Hathor ( goddess of love ) :: May 26-June 24. Characteristics :: emotional / expressive / bi-polar.
Anubis ( god of resurrection ) :: July 25-August 28. Profile :: self-confident / self-control.
Thoth ( god of wisdom & learning ) :: August 29-September 27. critical-thinkers / problem-solvers.
Horus ( god of the sky ) :: September 28-October 27. People close to nature / hard-working / responsible / imaginative.
Wadget ( goddess of the royal cobra ) :: October 28-November 26. rational / cautious / conscientious / opinionated.
Sekhmet ( goddess of war ) :: November 27-December 26. optimistic / imaginative.
Sphinx ( "guardian" ) :: December 27-January 25. sensible / adaptable.
Seth ( god of chaos ) :: May 28-June 18. ambitious.
Bastet ( cat goddess ) :: July 14-28 / September 23-27 / October 3-17. Born under this sign :: charming / charismatic.
The Nile ( a non-god ) :: January 1-7 / June 19-September 28. The Nile is the Beginning. passionate / impulsive.
Geb ( god of the earth ) :: February 12-19 / August 20-30. diplomatic / tactful.
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The Babylonian Empire didn't predate the Egyptian Civilization. Most historians and archeologists place Egyptian Civilization beginning around 3100 BCE, 12 Centuries before the rise of the Babylonians.
I'm not a historian or archeologist ... but you guys _who are_ ... should converse more ...
@@cliffgaither You seem to be under the mistaken notion that Egyptian civilization existed only before Babylon and not after.
Great content as always. Keep it up.
There is speculation that some of the carved figures at Gobekli Tepe are referencing constellations.
Discussed in Part 2.
At 23:40 you mention "Samian Ware" as being Greek pottery. I've only heard that term used for the "terra sigillata" made in Gaul during the Roman period.
Hmm. I did not realize that. I assumed "Samian" meant from Samos. But maybe the samian ware found there was from Gaul.
You're correct, samian ware was only made in Roman Gaul, the Greek equivalent would be closer to the black figure pottery tradition of Athens
21:13 is it just me or is there a "Trojan Rabbit" in the background?
Hi! Thanks for the info!
Is there any easily understood academic book that you would recommend and talks about the history of astrology in the ancient cultures in a introductorily handbooklike manner?
Thanks very much in advance.
this is a fantastic presentation. i've often wondered how some small but necessarily disparate number of people way back in antiquity reached a consensus on the symbology they independently observed in the night sky.
this has done more to address that interest than probably any other presentation that i've come across.
it's also very cool that you lend credence to this interpretation of some of the paleolithic cave paintings.
nice work. thank you.
Ah, I think I know about what you'll talk about Golbektepe.
I don't belive that "the zodiac" existed until recorded story but I do belive that humans looked and though about the skies. It's something that they must have tried to understand, because "the above" is a place where a bunch of strange phenomenons happen. Things that humans would remember, discuss and record (like they maybe did at Golbek).
In the #shamanic and #animistic traditions there are 3 planes of existence - above, terrestrial and below - th-cam.com/video/JJVmRifjOGU/w-d-xo.html
21:57 (inset 00:01:48:45) zoom up from - Burrow Mump while Hugh is talking about Glastonbury Tor 😄😃😄
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I haven't finished watching the video yet but alot of people base their theories on the zodiac being around for at least 10,000 years. I've been wondering how far we can trace them back.
11,000 years ago.
Awesome! Exactly the video i was looking for. I searched several times and watched a few videos trying to find this information.
@28:15 the old Astro mapping art…can you provide me the source to that? I want to take a closer look at the individual images. I tried random searches for astrological art and multiple variations and couldn’t find them. If it’s too much trouble I understand it’s not overly important. It just peaked my fancy.
It's from John Bevis's Uranographia.
Was there actual usage of the word celestial to refer to a specific group of people? Back in those elder ages?
It's a Latin word, so it doesn't go back very far.
Yes, it was an Enlightenment Era to Early Victorian Era term to refer to Far Eastern Peoples (Chinese/Korean) as "Celestials".
Curious as to why Gobekli Tepe is not discussed here anywhere that I seen yet display relatively clear images of many Astrological symbols. This would lead it back to the stone age roughly. I get Archeology loves to ignore that site at all cost it seems but I am curious about why it was skipped over when it suggest the entire thesis of this video is incorrect.
LMFAO, Ty, I stated that with like 30 seconds left in the Video considering it over :D Sorry . Ill go check that one out now
I know this is probably a long shot but what website is that at the 10:12 mark? I've tried to find it but no luck. Thanks if anyone can point me in the right direction.
Couldn’t agree more on the Glastonbury Zodiac. Great video!
Interesting video, though here is some food for thought
Gobekle Tepe in Anatolia may be the earliest confirmable reference we have for prehistoric man's understanding of the Zodiac, and for precession in particular. The archaeological site, located within the Taurus Mountains, has been found to represent the Pleiades in their circular placement. We know this because, unbeknownst to many, Gobekli Tepe, and Enclosure D in particular (which is the largest this far) is located within a massive geoglyph of a bull. This is only seen from above, and the enclosures are located exactly within the "bull's" shoulder, which has historically been understood to represent the Pleiades. Unfortuantely, tourism has destroyed most resemblance of this geoglyph to accommodate parking lots and tourist centers.
This hypothesis is further corroborated by the now famous Pillar 43 you mentioned, which likely represents Cygnus and Scorpio in their correct positions.
While this is not a fully realized set of 12 constellations the gradually shifting orientations of the enclosures as time dragged on suggests that the builders of the site understood that the sky shifted with time, and while no evidence has been found thus far to prove this (its likely still buried) its not a far stretch from here to assume they came to understand Precession.
Just imagine how dizzying it must have been for the first shamans, usually in their psychedelic stupor, that realized the they were standing on a wobbling needlepoint.
Im a Libra sun and Mercury with Cancer Moon and Rising,. I have to consider possibility that makes too much sense for it not to make sense. Im also Scorpio Mars and Venus, so I can get aggressive, which I would like to apologize to the creator for cuz we butted heads earlier. Ill read your rebuttal later.
See Part 2, which is about that: th-cam.com/video/vUdJCVwqJNM/w-d-xo.html
4:09 "from mediterranian sailors who used it for navigation" - i once learned about a hypothesis, that those constellations were formed to resemble coastlines, not only in the mediterranian but around europe. That is approximately the region where most megalithic structures are found.
But some constellations might also resemble the currents leading cross the atlantic to america and back to europe, and some coastlines in the carribean. It is been said, that Ophiuchus, the "bearer of the snake", leads over the atlantic. And that again reminds me of the american myth about the "Feathered Snake", that came from the west. These currents might also be depicted in the El Castillo cave, along pictures of ancient sailing ships.
Coincidence? Or is it a jigsaw puzzle coming together?
Thanks!
Much appreciated!
what about siderial astrology (Ophichius)?
DUMB QUESTION... how did they know the sun passed through those constellations if they couldn't see starts during the day?
I think they just became familiar with the sun's path sufficiently enough so that at night by memory they knew where it would be.
One can see the stars about 30 min before sunrise. They were also charting the stars every night so they knew what would happen the next month, week, day and hour
They seen what stars came up before the sun came out and they noticed what stars were out when the sun set.
It's not a dumb question at all. But not only does the sun travel along that path during the day, planets also travel along it at night. Early astronomers from several different cultures were able to make this observation
What's the name of the stone craving on 5:59?
Late Babylonian Astrological Tablet with Drawings of Constellations and Planets
VAT 07847
Vorderasiatisches Museum, Staatliche Museen zu Berlin
Have you ever thought on writing a series on the Sumerian, Assyrian and Babylonian etc. gods/myths and their development throughout time? Like take a god/myth, show how society transformed its representation along the eras? After I found out Aphrodite was a bootlegged Inanna I was shook, SHOOK! I always thought the Greek gods were... you know... Greek! I even tried to read more about them going into primary sources and stuff, but the problem is that I can't figure out which text came first, or from where, or from whom. So far, I understood geopolitical movements drastically changed the pantheon, their relations to each other and specially the main god, but I have not enough knowledge to figure out WHAT IS GOING ON! Hehehehehehehehe... HEEEEEEEEELP! Like, who's the first chief of the gods? Anu? Enki? Enlil? Does it change from Sumerians to Assyrians, or even withing Sumerian society? WHO IS MARDUK and who invited him? Is Anu and Uranus the same guy? What about the Kumarbi? Is the cutting of the ... jews... a Hurrian thing that became a Hittite thing, and finally a Greek thing? Or Enlil was chopping some godhood away millennia ago? Is it true that Ereshkigal became Persephone and Ashera Demeter first in the rape os Kore for the Myceneans and years later they decided to do a Hollywood and reboot the myth into an Adonis story with Persephone and proper Aphrodite? I even read somewhere that Anu, or Enlil (I can't remember which), was written in a very similar group of consonants as YHWH. It was something like YHNH or YNWH I can't remember! Is mythology and religion the ancient version of the DC Universe with their 8 Jokers, some of them contemporary?
It's a fascinating topic that I may get to someday. But it's important to differentiate between a situation in which a deity is taken from another country and a situation in which an already-existing deity from one country is equated with an already-existing deity from another. The latter happened a lot. For example, the Roman god Jupiter and the Greek god Zeus were equated, but that doesn't mean the Romans got their god from the Greeks. Jupiter and Zeus existed in their respective cultures before the Romans and Greeks ever met.
@@WorldofAntiquity yeees, like in Brazil where the Yoruba god Oxalá became equated to Jesus in current time! So now we have black-jesus, or crucified Yoruba god. I just find fascinating the WHY of it. Unfortunately, the ancient Middle East/Southern Europe/Northern Africa thing is not for noobs! hehehehehehehhee
@@WorldofAntiquity BTW, do you have any suggestions of authors/books/articles who might tackle this topic?
@@rafaelfcf I can't think of any offhand, but if I run across a good one, I will post it here.
@@rafaelfcf Beyond the Blue Horizon by EC Krupp. Used copies on Amazon at $4 or your public library
Oh, cool. I saw the post last night and wanted to see this.
I caught it when it's only 3 minutes old =)
4:45 -why did the “hour” replace the degree??
I find your content so intriguing that I would like to share it with my friends (and "enemies"), but most of them speak Spanish. Would you be interested in a translation?
Yes, I would be interested. Shoot me an email. My address is in the About section of my channel page.
As a practitioner of astrological magic, I believe the absence of the signs mentioned in the boundary stones could be related to those signs not being suitable for the workings intended, since most of them are “soft” signs in themselves and the planets related to them.
Gemini Readings
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@14:02... It is possible to date those constellations (if that is indeed what they represent) astronomically, by taking precession and the proper motion of those individual stars over time into account.
I wonder whether the researchers who proposed this, have tried to date the paintings of the El Castillo cave this way?
Do you know?
I suspect they haven't moved much visibly, despite constantly moving in space
Another great one, couldn't agree with more with your point about interdisciplinary collaboration. Not only do I think a lot of these pseudo-historians miss out on a lot of art and aesthetic knowledge (as in maybe it's shaped like that because humans think that shape looks nice), but they also seem to fall into some gaps that a little behavioral science could fill in. For example, when you're talking about the lineage of the zodiac, you say the Romans "got it" from the Greeks, and the Greeks "got it" from the Babylonians, and so on. That process of "getting it" is, I think, where historical evidence is most lacking, and so it's the gap that conspiracy theorists fill in with Aliens, the Illuminati, the European monoculture, etc. A little bit of behavioral biology might tell us that those ancient people were exactly the same as us, they think like us, feel like us, etc. That means it very well could have been some Greek dude who saw a Sumerian dude's star chart and thought it looked cool. Maybe he's inspired to do one for his Greek buddies, but they wouldn't really get the reference of the swallows, and they won't know who Dumuzi is, so our Greek guy will have to change some things so the locals will get it easier. Of course, there's no evidence for that at all, that's why we have to say they "got it from" instead of so-and-so was inspired by this other guy. But if you're going to get into speculation and use your imagination to fill in those blanks, why is it always Aliens? Why can't it be "yeah, lions are cool, let's put a lion on our thing, too!" Anyway, thanks for another amazing video!
Dammit. I like aliens. Cool idea, no? But-
-but to be from outside of our own solar system would make their travels untenably lengthy in duration; unless they could somehow tweak Time. (And then we be opening yet more cans of worms, not limited to just the religious ramifications.)
Awesome, really enjoyed this video. So glad to find your channel, watching the ADs to help out. Stay well :)
Thanks for coming by!
I have been waiting for this since you talked about it on Stefan's channel. I am an Astrologer but have always been interested in the ancient origins and when I heard you and Stefan talk about this I was really excited. Sometimes when you are really looking forward to something and you build it up in your mind the reality can be disappointing. Instead, this has surpassed my expectations. This is a video I will be watching many times over. Thank you so much for doing this and well done.
I am so happy to hear that. Thank you!
How about teaming up with an astronomer and show the distance between each star in any given constellation. Show the constellations in 3d, as opposed to the 2d we see.
Then invite any astrologer to explain how these bodies, in their real dimensions and proportions, can effect a person's characteristics and daily condition?
@World of Antiquity, at the beginning around 1:30, you say we inherited the 48 constellations from the Ancient Romans. What’s your source for that information?
Roman sources are full of references to the constellations, but Ptolemy's Almagest, which although written in Greek, comes from Roman times, and it has the full list of 48. Of course, we use the Latin (i.e., Roman) versions of the names, instead of Greek. Tycho Brahe based his star catalog on Ptolemy's, and that's where we got them.
@@WorldofAntiquity thank you for the response
I had to come see how you put this together, Doc. I ain't a fan of Ancient Aliens, but I do like me some archaeoastronomy. Do you nail this, or before I respond to your vid on pillar 43 am I gonna have to do this?
Will your vid on pillar 43 change my opinion? Will this video change my opinion?
I dunno, let's find out *cracks beer
Good stuff, although I do believe you're missing part of the picture. But you touched on why at the end, you're an archeologist, not an astronomer or such. But I do applaud you not taking some "we got this artifact and its the oldest so meh" position, which would be the most advantageous for you in these debates.
I know I criticize you sometimes, in defense of Hancock's work usually, but I criticize Hancock a ton too. Not playing teams here, I want truth.
@@DeDunking I believe Dr. Miano is an historian. 😃
Here is one piece of information that maybe attract your attention.
It's about the perfect overlap between the Vedic way of calculating time and astrophysics, i.e. the cycle of the movement of our planet.
It is generally known that modern science recognizes a third axis along which the earth moves, which is called the precession of the equinoxes or Plato's year, or Great Year, and which lasts 25920 years.
When it is divided by 12, that is, the number of constellations towards which the central axis of the earth tilts, we get a period of 2160 years per constellation (time period in the zodiac sign). So, roughly, from 139 BC to 2021 AD, we were in the Age of Pisces (Christians used fish as a symbol of the new age), from 2299 BC to 138 we were in the age of Aries, from 4459 BC to 2298 BC we were in the age of the Taurus (from the end of that era is the famous sculpture of Mithra killing the bull), ... and and so on.
On the other hand, we have the existence of two formalized traditions with different interpretations of cosmic time, the followers of Asuras and the followers of Devas. That is, Two variations of Surya Siddhanta: The first Mayasura with Conjunction in Aries FEB 22. 6778 BC and second Latadeva with Conjunction in Pisces 17/18. FEB. 3101 BC.
According to the second Latadeva tradition, the Maha yuga lasts for 4.320.000 years and is divided into four periods, each twice shorter than the previous one. Satya yuga lasts 1.728.000 years, Treta Yuga lasts 1.296.000, Dvapa yuga lasts 864.000 years and Kali yuga lasts 432.000 years.
If we take any of those numbers and try to divide them by the previously mentioned length duration of the time period of one zodiac sign (2160 years) we get whole numbers, not decimal numbers as would be normal to expect. And so:
Kali yuga in 432000 years contains exactly 200 such periods of zodiac signs
Dvapa yuga in 864000 years contains exactly 400 such periods of zodiac signs
Treta Yuga in 1296000 years contains exactly 600 such periods of the zodiac signs
Satya yuga in 1728000 years contains exactly 800 periods of such zodiac signs
Maha yuga thus lasts exactly 2000 periods of the zodiac signs.
The chance that it's just a coincidence is less than 0.05 percent.
Conclusion is that our ancestors were familiar with the precession of the equinoxes from at least 31,044 BC, which is how long it took them to follow only one full precession cycle.
Thank you, very interesting, especially the first part about the history of the zodiac. I have a question about the Egyptian zodiac. Did they take it from the Babylonians?
If I pay for ad-free youtube, do you get paid when I watch your videos? I hope so, because I watch them a lot
Yes, they do give me some of that revenue, so thank you!
@@WorldofAntiquity hey thank YOU, man. Keep up the good work!
8:21 that picture of a telescope seems misleading, did they have some sort of a telescope in antiquity?
You're right. It is a bit misleading. They didn't have telescopes, although they may have had viewing lenses of some kind.
Great video as usual! When I was much younger, I took a great interest in astrology. I can guarantee that back in the 80s, no one was discussing anything about the history of the zodiac. So this was very engrossing... up to the part from Ancient Mysteries. I understand why you want to engage and refute that kind of stuff, but it wasn't nearly as interesting as the actual pieces of history you discussed before that section.
I really appreciate the thoroughness of this video, and the solid critique of the last few examples. I especially like your call to interdisciplinary collaboration. I don't know if you are aware that there is a scientist who discovered those same for fixed zodiac signs on stones at Göbekli Tepe which would date the zodiac prior to 9000BC E. So at this point we would be talking about the zodiac lost in antiquity and being possibly sourced in Atlantis, if Atlantis, did indeed exist. Also, thank you for not taking jabs at Astrology itself. Also, look into Robert hand, if you have not yet. And if you want to get red pilled on Astrology, see Cosmos and Psyche by Rick Tarnas. Cheers!
OK I see you do have a video one Gobekli Pepe and the zodiac.
When I first came across this years ago it was in an article noting a lot of what you mention plus the fact that scale is never taken into account. A pencil line on a map can cover anything from metres to miles on the ground depending on scale. Eg roads are marked with thin lines on maps but we all know that they are metres wide on the ground.
I've read there is a Sumerian system, or Akkadian, that started with twelve bright stars in the sky, one for each month, and developed into the twelve zodiacs over a couple thousand years to around 700-600 BCE. Any basis for this in history?
What about the nazca lines in the peru landscape being older zodiac or star map than the zodiac constellation traditions of babylonian origins?
15:13 - “the swallow and the fish” - a bird is just an air fish
Astrology is fascinating!
Although i don't believe that planets can influence the course of our life( i don't believe either that a ghost can decide our destiny) i find amazing that it comes from ancient times and still exists😲
Love that oblique 'destiny-defining' (ghosty) bit.
You/I/we may not believe, but such beliefs had very powerful effects. Still do ... sadly.
What about the Nasca Lines representing some of the constellations? Does it not have a Scorpian in it? I have always thought that they were trying to replicate the sky on the ground for some reason since there is no exact determined reason that they were made. It is just a thought
Even better video than the great one I expected it to be👍
Wow, thanks!
you said unnecessary eliv and Disney advert started. Nice :) great video btw, thank you
Were these early zodiacs associated with both yearly and precessional cycles? When did the concept of the astrological age begin? How ancient people could deduce such a phenomenon is incredible. What exactly is that tablet depicting a lion on the back of a dragon shown at minute 6:00?
They were definitely associated with the yearly cycle. It was invented before precession was understood. The concept of astrological ages came a lot later. That tablet is one of the Babylonian tablets that describe the Zodiac. But I think other constellations are mentioned as well. I am pretty sure the lizard is the constellation Hydra.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks, I found it. Berlin Museum VAT 7847. You see a similar scene at Dendera with the Lion on the back of the snake but facing the opposite direction.
Really interesting video thank you.
Dating constellations is not a static thing, either. The stars are not in the same positions today as they were 2000 years ago, much less 10,000, etc. years ago. If I remember correctly, enough space has opened up in the last 2000 years between the Greco-Roman constellations for a 13th to be added.
Is not there "there's space to fit" one more constellation, is that one moved away from the path of the sun, right?
@@deathdoor It's more just that stars are physically moving apart and relative to each other and us, and Earth's axis has shifted in the last 3000 years. This article from NASA explains it a little better than me. nasa.tumblr.com/post/150688852794/zodiac?linkId=94146490
@@PathsUnwritten Yes, I know.
I repeat, if one constellation is entering than this means that one is exiting?
Panino Manino I’m not an astronomer, that’s why I linked you to a NASA article.
As old astronomy was same as astrology, sort of .... would like to know how far back in time "accurate " astronomy can be traced. From equinox, to stars in relation to equinox, and "earths rotating tilt".
.........Badly phrased, but should be easy to understand what I...
I was wondering if the whole concept of the Leo constellation could go back as before the modern humans began to spread out of Africa, or at least before they entered Europe? If "Leo" traveled along the same migratory routes with early humans into Mesopotamia and then Europe that could account for the Lion being a symbol and/or constellation in both places.
That's a feasible scenario.
You don’t need to resort to Out of Africa. There were lions in Europe in the past.
@@maidende8280 Plus there is no evidence of any formulation of zodiac signs between 50-70,000 years ago when the initial out of Africa migrations are believed to have occurred.
I loved the part when Ancient Aliens Gyez made out shapes from the clouds.
Never could work out how the ancients joined the dots. Because I cant 'see' any of the supposed signs when I look at the night sky.
Years ago I was interested in finding out about hiroscopes etc. I found some big books in local reference library.
It didnt take me long to discover that each personality type was the same as all the others just using different words or putting characteristics in different orders. It also had negative attributes. These is never mentioned by most books or articles.
It was very interesting but, just as reading more about my religion had done, persuaded me that it was all nonsense.
There's one distinct characteristics or observation according to me is .....most of the ancient history is looked only in the eyes of romans Greeks Mesopotamian Babylonian only that region .
to give ur viewers an example in a different perspective
India and China population didn't reach to the present numbers overnight ....it took generations of generations .
if people from these two land/regions have survived and flourished in this era that means they had survived and flourished thousands of years ago.
Time keeping was one of the most important or if not without which civilizations couldn't have existed
Astronomy and astrology are very very intricate part of peoples lives in that era , so does ancient Indian and Chinese or African etc etc civilizations
The constellations are a natural consequence of the projected path of the sun in the celestial ecliptic, so as soon as humans noticed this path, they began attributing importance to those specific "sets" of stars.
Great channel, every video I've watched so far is interesting.
1:10, my favourite takeaway is probably chicken Korma.
Great video 😁👍
Thanks 😁
19:23 But are you really so sure that isn't Mr. Krabs? I think you actually might be onto something.
LOVE the channel, been binging all your stuff! It took work to find channels that arent total nonsense on youtube, you and "history for granite" are wonderful! If anyone has some other suggestions for other non-crackpot channels i'd love to hear them :>
Graham Hancock is my own favourite "go to" crackpot; but-
- but the more you experience him the less cracked his pot.
Spent my childhood as a happy go lucky Sag. Now I am Ophiuchus, the depressed adult version.
I love that we now know that some of the 'stars' in constellations are actually far distant galaxies.
Also that the light from each 'star' left its home at different numbers of light years before being visible on earth. And that the light from our nearest star, the sun, isnt included in the main influences attributed to the constellations. All because the ancients didnt have telescopes. Astronomers didnt even know there were galaxies other than the milky way until 1924 when Edwin Hubble discovered that there were other galaxies out there.